Agreed. Even though that's the only precon among them I didn't preorder. Having Akroma's Will, Professional Face Breaker, Goldspan Dragon and Farewell as Reprints definitely makes me hopeful for the others. New cards are also really good energy cards.
but the land base is like 10 years behind the most basic land base a three-colored deck has nowadays. Keep in mind: You had basically the same mana base in $30 precons years ago. This one is $80ish. What a rip-off and running joke by Wizards.
@@muhlor You can get the precon for $50 on most websites. I agree that the secondary market shouldn’t be spiking the price on the decks. The mana base is definitely improved, compared to previous year’s precons. (Pain lands, check lands, filter lands, etc.). Do you expect wizards to put shock lands in every precon now? Fetch lands? Should they make untapped tri-lands now? More premium lands definitely guarantee higher prices. Keep in mind, it is a Precon. It has to be affordable to the market.
@@sanfranfan53 untapped trioms, what are you talking about dude? I am talking about a land base literally everyone would play today. Filter- and Painlands were in nonpremium precons years ago. Why not include a rare triom? Or more lands that tap for literally any color. They didn't even inculde any Orchard, lol. Castle Vantress in a 3-colored deck rather than one of those? Where is Karns Bastion for proliferating, who needs scry in this deck? What about COMMANDER SPECIFIC duals like Training Center? They literally invented those for Commander!!! Come on... i am not talking about fetches/shocks.
@@muhlor What lands do you want then? There have been a number of recent precons that have reprinted lands like the Battlebond and Slow lands. Those decks are great! Sure! They could have put the battlebond lands in these precons. I agree on that. A part of me wants more of those lands to show up more often in other precons. With all that said. These are precons. They’re meant to be a ready-to-play decks, out of the box, at a more affordable price than most decks made from scratch. They aren’t meant to have a near-fully optimized land base. They are meant for either new players, people who want to collect/upgrade them, or people who can turn and sell the chase cards in the secondary market. The resell value is almost always there. $80? I purchased the Eldrazi and Tricky Terrain decks for $48, a piece, off of a game shop’s website. I think you are more upset at the prices, (on the secondary market), maybe not reflecting the value you get from the mana base that comes with the “premium” precons. You can blame wizards for the “joke” prices from the secondary market all you want, but you really should be blaming the hype and demand of the secondary market.
@@muhlor What lands do you want then? There have been a number of recent precons that have reprinted lands like the Battlebond and Slow lands. Sure! They could have put the battlebond lands in these precons. I agree on that. They can definitely show up more often in other precons. With all that said. These are precons. They’re meant to be a ready-to-play decks, out of the box, at a more affordable price than most decks made from scratch. They aren’t meant to have a near-fully optimized land base. They are meant for either new players, people who want to collect/upgrade them, or people who can turn and sell the chase cards in the secondary market. The resell value is almost always there. I purchased the Eldrazi and Tricky terrain decks for $48, a piece. I think you are more upset at the prices, (on the secondary market), maybe not reflecting the value you get from the mana base that comes with the “premium” precons. You can blame wizards for the absurd prices in the secondary market all you want, but you really should be blaming the hype demand of the secondary market.
@@JasonOshinko not at all, but its a good thing that my view fits with the majority and every single modern player. Most commander players also dont need to have everything tailor made for them. Most just want fun pieces to try out in their deck commander deck. If that's a power full modern staple they couldent care less.
The Land Base is a complete joke! If you demand 2-3x the price of regular precons, improve the outdated land base. Running 3 temples and only common triom lands is way too slow for a premium priced precon! This land base is literally 10 years behind the meta and i am not talking cEDH...
@@sanfranfan53 great argument, pal. Just as strong as your stupid untapped 3-color land argument. Commander lands were introduced to the game 3 years ago. Takes not much to realize how ridicoulus it is passing on them. But seems like you enjoy getting hosed for actually 0 value ups compared to way older and cheaper precons.
Good one, Richard Garfield! Except, the first part of the cycle of BOND/CROWD lands were introduced in BATTLEBOND! You know, the draft-able Two-Headed Giant set FROM 2018? Hence why they are called Bond Lands, and not Commander Lands. If they were truly meant to be commander lands, they would have just put them straight into those commander decks, from that year, instead. Or, they knew what they were doing, and wanted customers to buy the packs to play the draft/sealed format, with the intention of knowing that Eternal players could use a number of the cards outside of the sealed product. Quit acting like such an ungrateful brat, or show WotC how to run their product line.
Lol I paid $48, each, for two of the precons. (Including the now way overpriced* Eldrazi deck). I could easily make my money back from the hype of that deck, alone. I certainly did it with the WH40K FOMO, early on. But I dgaf whether I resell the decks, or not. Lmao! $30 in 2011, values to about $42 in today’s market. And today’s decks are clearly better designed/valued than the absolute butts that came out in 2011. So I say that the extra $6, per deck, justifies the fun I’ll have with them.
You have Akroma's Will on the video but not the official list on your site (which comes to 100 cards without it), think you need to see what is right...
I feel like powerstones should give energy, maybe a card in the future can sack powerstone tokens for energy counters? Imagine a spectral Urza stepping into Kaladesh... He'd be a bit concerned with the extraplanar portal machine that caused so much trouble in war of the spark.
Yeah! Just started playing the game three months ago. Bought the Science! Precon and thought energy was pretty niche and overall fun to play. Saw the MH3 energy precon and couldn't be more excited with these reveals since I hit my limit ripping into Kaladesh and Aether Revolt as much as I could for energy cards xD
Seems like it’s much more expensive in the US. In Germany I preordered them for 50€ each. Including the Eldrazi precon (though that one increased shortly after I preordered). So not that much above the usual precon. Though Amazon still charges 70€ for them.
Modern Horizons being for Modern shouldn't have commander decks it's a blatant cash grab, will not be buying any Commander decks from this set in protest and I'm an avid commander player!
Commander is the most complicated format with all the crazy board states you can get. Especially in cEDH. Modern players wouldn’t know what to do with 3 other opponents due to all the tunnel visioning they do in 1v1.
@@CaptainZone1337 It's sad though since I like to play 1v1 sometimes. If it's printed into modern, can't commander players use the cards anyway? Some of the new energy cards look cool but it sounds like they're not allowed in Modern if they're in these decks.
So when are decklist from the other decks are revealed
Two will be revealed tomorrow (including one in Command Zone), and the Eldrazi one on Wednesday
@@lulu1997master thx buddy!
yippe commander horizons gonna be lit. like burning a hole in my bank account
Agreed. Even though that's the only precon among them I didn't preorder. Having Akroma's Will, Professional Face Breaker, Goldspan Dragon and Farewell as Reprints definitely makes me hopeful for the others.
New cards are also really good energy cards.
So happy ocelot pride got confirmed.
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I love that Farewell is becoming a normal reprint in every precon now. That’s exactly what formats, like EDH, need.
but the land base is like 10 years behind the most basic land base a three-colored deck has nowadays. Keep in mind: You had basically the same mana base in $30 precons years ago. This one is $80ish. What a rip-off and running joke by Wizards.
@@muhlor You can get the precon for $50 on most websites. I agree that the secondary market shouldn’t be spiking the price on the decks. The mana base is definitely improved, compared to previous year’s precons. (Pain lands, check lands, filter lands, etc.). Do you expect wizards to put shock lands in every precon now? Fetch lands? Should they make untapped tri-lands now? More premium lands definitely guarantee higher prices. Keep in mind, it is a Precon. It has to be affordable to the market.
@@sanfranfan53 untapped trioms, what are you talking about dude? I am talking about a land base literally everyone would play today. Filter- and Painlands were in nonpremium precons years ago. Why not include a rare triom? Or more lands that tap for literally any color. They didn't even inculde any Orchard, lol. Castle Vantress in a 3-colored deck rather than one of those? Where is Karns Bastion for proliferating, who needs scry in this deck? What about COMMANDER SPECIFIC duals like Training Center? They literally invented those for Commander!!! Come on... i am not talking about fetches/shocks.
@@muhlor What lands do you want then? There have been a number of recent precons that have reprinted lands like the Battlebond and Slow lands. Those decks are great!
Sure! They could have put the battlebond lands in these precons. I agree on that. A part of me wants more of those lands to show up more often in other precons.
With all that said. These are precons. They’re meant to be a ready-to-play decks, out of the box, at a more affordable price than most decks made from scratch. They aren’t meant to have a near-fully optimized land base. They are meant for either new players, people who want to collect/upgrade them, or people who can turn and sell the chase cards in the secondary market. The resell value is almost always there. $80? I purchased the Eldrazi and Tricky Terrain decks for $48, a piece, off of a game shop’s website.
I think you are more upset at the prices, (on the secondary market), maybe not reflecting the value you get from the mana base that comes with the “premium” precons.
You can blame wizards for the “joke” prices from the secondary market all you want, but you really should be blaming the hype and demand of the secondary market.
@@muhlor What lands do you want then? There have been a number of recent precons that have reprinted lands like the Battlebond and Slow lands.
Sure! They could have put the battlebond lands in these precons. I agree on that. They can definitely show up more often in other precons.
With all that said. These are precons. They’re meant to be a ready-to-play decks, out of the box, at a more affordable price than most decks made from scratch. They aren’t meant to have a near-fully optimized land base. They are meant for either new players, people who want to collect/upgrade them, or people who can turn and sell the chase cards in the secondary market. The resell value is almost always there. I purchased the Eldrazi and Tricky terrain decks for $48, a piece.
I think you are more upset at the prices, (on the secondary market), maybe not reflecting the value you get from the mana base that comes with the “premium” precons.
You can blame wizards for the absurd prices in the secondary market all you want, but you really should be blaming the hype demand of the secondary market.
hard to watch after min 40 bro...
So commander horizons has been shown, when is the sub set of Modern being revealed?!?!
This is where they cheat MTGA?
Says it’s not focused on artifacts proceeds to talk about big artifacts, every single card would work so good with liberty prime😂
Commander horizon. Great way of ruining mtg.
You're right, they should only release products that get your personal approval.
@@JasonOshinko not at all, but its a good thing that my view fits with the majority and every single modern player. Most commander players also dont need to have everything tailor made for them. Most just want fun pieces to try out in their deck commander deck. If that's a power full modern staple they couldent care less.
The Land Base is a complete joke! If you demand 2-3x the price of regular precons, improve the outdated land base. Running 3 temples and only common triom lands is way too slow for a premium priced precon! This land base is literally 10 years behind the meta and i am not talking cEDH...
You should apply for WotC design team for Commander.
@@sanfranfan53 great argument, pal. Just as strong as your stupid untapped 3-color land argument. Commander lands were introduced to the game 3 years ago. Takes not much to realize how ridicoulus it is passing on them. But seems like you enjoy getting hosed for actually 0 value ups compared to way older and cheaper precons.
Good one, Richard Garfield! Except, the first part of the cycle of BOND/CROWD lands were introduced in BATTLEBOND! You know, the draft-able Two-Headed Giant set FROM 2018? Hence why they are called Bond Lands, and not Commander Lands. If they were truly meant to be commander lands, they would have just put them straight into those commander decks, from that year, instead. Or, they knew what they were doing, and wanted customers to buy the packs to play the draft/sealed format, with the intention of knowing that Eternal players could use a number of the cards outside of the sealed product. Quit acting like such an ungrateful brat, or show WotC how to run their product line.
Lol I paid $48, each, for two of the precons. (Including the now way overpriced* Eldrazi deck). I could easily make my money back from the hype of that deck, alone. I certainly did it with the WH40K FOMO, early on. But I dgaf whether I resell the decks, or not. Lmao! $30 in 2011, values to about $42 in today’s market. And today’s decks are clearly better designed/valued than the absolute butts that came out in 2011. So I say that the extra $6, per deck, justifies the fun I’ll have with them.
And let’s be real. The only people that buy the expensive Early-age precons, are the whales that are in it for the memberberries.
You have Akroma's Will on the video but not the official list on your site (which comes to 100 cards without it), think you need to see what is right...
I feel like powerstones should give energy, maybe a card in the future can sack powerstone tokens for energy counters?
Imagine a spectral Urza stepping into Kaladesh... He'd be a bit concerned with the extraplanar portal machine that caused so much trouble in war of the spark.
Yeah! Just started playing the game three months ago. Bought the Science! Precon and thought energy was pretty niche and overall fun to play. Saw the MH3 energy precon and couldn't be more excited with these reveals since I hit my limit ripping into Kaladesh and Aether Revolt as much as I could for energy cards xD
Enjoy the energy!
I did the same thing.
Max that synergy
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This deck looks great I'm gonna mash this with my science deck
ELECTRIC!
This is definitely interesting as a more aggro style deck
am hyped
Nice
Ah. $80 decks with a horrible land base. As expcted
just my thought. Total rip-off with a land base 10y behind todays standard lol.
Where are you finding the decks for $80?
@sanfranfan53 that's what there preordring for. Except the eldrazi deck. That's 140
Seems like it’s much more expensive in the US.
In Germany I preordered them for 50€ each. Including the Eldrazi precon (though that one increased shortly after I preordered).
So not that much above the usual precon. Though Amazon still charges 70€ for them.
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Modern Horizons being for Modern shouldn't have commander decks it's a blatant cash grab, will not be buying any Commander decks from this set in protest and I'm an avid commander player!
I mean, good for you, I guess? Not sure what you're trying to prove here.
I’m confused, these aren’t Modern 60 card Precons? When do those release?
It's not modern as in that old niche format that no one plays, it's modern as in "new age" and magic is just commander now
@@xLuminaryits the most played format, not the format. Commander players dont knoe how to play real magic 😂
You really think they print a deck with mutiple shock and fetch lands ?
Commander is the most complicated format with all the crazy board states you can get. Especially in cEDH. Modern players wouldn’t know what to do with 3 other opponents due to all the tunnel visioning they do in 1v1.
@@CaptainZone1337 It's sad though since I like to play 1v1 sometimes. If it's printed into modern, can't commander players use the cards anyway? Some of the new energy cards look cool but it sounds like they're not allowed in Modern if they're in these decks.
He said commander deck and I unliked and unsubscribed
Wait but thats literally what the whole vid is on, why click the vid then. Its on one of the commander decks coming out.
People are so unreasonable 😑
Those commander decks were announced months ago. Not a surprise at all.