I don't know anybody who owns a gun. I don't know anybody who would want to own a gun. In the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right. In the UK the opposite is true.
Since they outlawed sawn off pump action shotguns..... Well its just taken the fun out of it....... I mean, could you imagine?...... The guy in the post office would just laugh at you...... 🙄
@@Mr-Mop It's the 'sawn off' part that's outlawed. For a pump action (with a magazine capacity higher than 2), you need a firearms license rather than a shotgun permit.
When I was a kid my next-door neighbour had 2 shot guns and 3 hunting rifles well he was a farmer or worked on a farm I grew up in a small village and there was 6 or 7 farm's and they all had guns one farmer I knew had a world war ll hand gun which could fire it wasn't a replica but then again this was pre Dunblane
What is NOT mentioned is the fact that once you have a firearms certificate, the police can visit your home at any time, unannounced, to carry out a check to ensure that you are conforming to the regulations regarding your certificate. Any breach can result in the loss of that right!
Indeed, even if it's out for cleaning the ammunition must be kept separate and any magazines empty. If they showed up, you're cleaning it and have a full magazine then you're in bother
Completely reasonable. It is super invasive, sure, but you are being allowed to own a gun in the UK. Our gun laws are none the worse for such measures. 🫡 🇬🇧
same in norway I think. You have to keep the weapons in a certified locked gun cabinet. And the cabinet should be bolted to the construction in the house.
And that's OK to you guys? Having police check your homes, making you out to be a criminal. That's like 3 constitutional right violations here. Sorry but our government has limits for a reason. That sounds very 1940s Germany to me.
You cannot apply for a gun license in the UK with the idea of self defence. By saying that you are admitting that in a certain scenario you will point it at someone.
there is a specific and special clause within UK Firearms Law(s) for an *_In Special Consideration For Self Defence Needs_* ...a request at be considered by the Poliice as to if given enough reasons, evidence & meeting ostensibly all other requirements, if it is thence so decided that a serious potential threat to life & lives cannot be otherwise be stopped/hindered, then for individual specific cases could be granted acceptable - such for some political exilees, some security agents, royal or state appointed bodyguards etc...
@@razor1uk610 However, over in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, there are around 3500 handguns on issue to civilians - members of the judiciary/police force, politicians and others whose lives are deemed to be threatened by ongoing terrorist activity.
Yes you can, you are leaving out NI were we can own a gun for protection. I myself carried a pistol for many years for my own self defense all totally legal and above board, now I own a .357 magnum Ruger GP100 and Glock 17 for sporting use.
@@royalirish4208 Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are less restrictive in some areas than gun laws in Great Britain due to the Good Friday Agreement, allowing Northern Ireland to govern itself and pass less restrictive laws. Gun laws in Northern Ireland are primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004.
I'm in the UK. I grew up with shotguns and often went grouse and rabbit hunting with my dad. My cousin still owns shotguns and continues to hunt for game. It is not the average but its certainly not unheard of for UK citizens to own guns. The difference is we are not gun zealots - we dont see gun ownership as part of our personality and identity. Guns are tools and like any dangerous tool, they need to be handled and managed as such. In the same way you need to pass a test and have a license to drive a car, a lorry or a forklift, we have similar rules around guns and other potentially dangerous tools.
Exactly. The culture is just completely different. We have to lock our guns up and ammunition up separately in a location inaccessible to children, keep our keys in different locations. If we're transporting them, they stay in a bag at the boot of the car which we cannot leave unattended. We can only transport them if we have a purpose for doing so. In order to obtain a firearm in the first place we need a license which requires police to register it and see where it's going to be kept, the environment it's being kept in and ensure we're aware of how to be safe. We're taught in firearm safety. If we can't be safe with the dangerous weapons then we don't deserve to have them. But in the US most of the time (different rules for different states) you just need to not have a specific criminal background.
But not for personal defense mostly for hunting or pest control, I used to be a pest control hunter, didn't have a shotgun I had an air rifle, no license needed.
Yeah guns for self defence are just not a thing here, you'll not get a license on that basis. Sport, game or vermin control and historical interest is basically it. But if you are actively involved in those things and can comply with storage and transport regs you'll find it no problem getting such a license. But most folk aren't. So they don't have them. Just the crims, who mostly shoot each other, they don't shoot people in robberies (and those who do tend to get the polices full attention and don't last long). They wave them around but rarely use them cos most civilians aren't stupid enough to try to intervene. The most danger as a civilian would be stray bullets or mistaken identity, in certain very specific and rare specific gang hot spots. This also makes our police way less jumpy, in general. Heavy handed when they do deploy force? Absolutely. But quick to deploy it? Really not for the most part.
I didn’t know that but seems you are right and self-defence can be a valid reason in Northern Ireland. My comment should have stated Great Britain and not the UK.
@robertstallard7836 That's true but in reality rare. Most PPW's are only issued to ex PSNI, ex military etc. You can own normal length handguns in NI (gun ownership being quite high) but the vast majority are for target shooting purposes only.
Self defence is a reason to have a hand gun in Britain. Section 5 of the 1968 firearms act allows the home office to directly issue licences. They won't give figures but it's believed that there are possibly up to 1,000 people in Britain with licences to carry concealed hand guns. Mainly politicians and ex police/military.
@@jazzylyn5857Which would lead to the very valid follow up question from the licensing officer, 'What is it you do that makes that a likely scenario?' as they roll their DENIED stamp in the red ink pad ready.
As a Canadian I read the comment stating "in the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right", I agree with this. It is very sad to hear news from America on mass civilian shootings and how disagreements are settled by bringing out a gun , such as the 14 year old boy who shot his sister and then fatally shot his older brother.....it is very very sad!
Health care is a private system because government run health care is historically a bad idea. UK recently pulled the plug of a child despite the parents wanting to get a treatment that had a decent chance of saving the baby. Yet the UK government took the parents to court and pulled the plug anyway.
That sir is not the fault of the gun....that is a failure of society to teach young people, who at 14 should not have access to a firearm unless under supervision and training by a adult, to use a firearm properly. Here in Canada we have a extensive training program, a licencing system that registers LEGAL gun owners and we are daily run through a system every day to ensure we have not done anything wrong. All this and we still have mass shootings, the latest in 2020 inmPictou Nova Scotia where a man called Worth an shot, killed and burned to death 21 people using ilegally obtained firearms, dressed as a RCMP officer and driving around in a doctored up cruiser. All the laws passed since the 70s did nothing to prevent any of this. Governments response was Bill C-21 further restricting la abiding citizens who commit less than 0.1% of crimes, it illustrates how out of touch governments are. Instead of addressing the real issues both social and economic of why people commit crimes with firearms they take away the rights of law abiding citizens........it is fundamentally wrong.
@@marcleblanc6293putting the potential instantaneous destruction into anyone’s hand, at any age, is a poor decision. Having no guns means no shootings, certainly no easy ones. Pretty sure the entirety of Europe has fewer shootings than any one American state every year, but I could be wrong.
@@AngelCakes1997 angel your delusional if you think removing all guns will prevent anyone being killed. They are removing guns from law abiding citizens, not the criminals, not the police and not the military. Guns will always be available to criminals, bombs can easily be made from readily available materials, veichles can be used as weapons to mow down the innocent. If someone is intention harming others banning guns from law abiding citizens will not stop them. Liberal policies do not work, it has been proven over and over again with the worst being Wortman in Nova Scotia who killed 21 people some with ilegallymobtained firearms and others he burned to death in their home.....so explain how Liberal gun policies stopped him? 2 of his guns were obtained illegally from the state's the other from the RCMP officer he killed. How did any of the Liberal gun policies stop him from obtaining a RCMP uniform and a RCMP cruiser? Your blind and sorry to say dumb if you think taking away guns from law abiding citizens will solve any of the problems with the criminal use of firearms. But go ahead and believe the Liberal lies.....lies like assault style firearm, there is no such thing it is a made up term, ar-15s used to commit crimes...there has never been an instance of a ar-15 ever being used to commit a crime in Canada. Long guns like the ones Trudeau is banning are not used by criminals, by far their preferred choice of firearm is a handgun and while sure Bill c-21 is supposedly banning them they are only banned for law abiding registered citizens , criminals will still have them and still use them.
I’m in the UK, don’t know anyone that owns a gun, held a gun, do not know anyone who has fired a gun… I also don’t know anyone learning to use a gun. Have no idea where a gun range would possibly be! I’ve only ever seen armed police in London at major situations and post terror attacks… mostly our police don’t carry guns because we don’t have a huge gun culture in the UK… the knife crime is down to small amounts of communities. We have documentaries about one punch being a killer 😮
Allow me to introduce myself, I have experience shooting both rifles and shotguns in the UK, been to multiple ranges It’s not very advertised but I did shoot a lot as a kid as part of cadets even getting marksmanship awards
I live in the UK. I'm an NSRA qualified Air Rifle Instructor. I own six air air rifles. I know several people that own shotguns. I have shot various types of shotgun, .22 rimfire rifles, .22 rimfire pistol, .38 Special Revolver, and 9mm pistol. I live a few miles from a shooting club licensed for .22 rimfire, and am a member of an Air Rifle Shooting club. You might know someone like me, but we just don't shout about it, or even talk about it unless the subject comes up, which it rarely does.
I got into shooting air rifles a few years before locldown as there was a range on the farm my wife worked at. When I picked up my first rifle from a gun shop in Newport (South Wales) I was suprised to see how many semi-automatic 5.56mm NATO calibre military style rifles were on sale. They even had a huge 50 cal (half inch) Barrett sniper rifle, which can fire bullets that will penetrate steel plate. Not sure who's buying those. During lockdown I treated myseelf to a top of the line pre-charged pnumatic air rifle, which is just under the threshold of being considered a firearm. The guy selling it lived on a farm in Gloucestershire & was an ex army armourer. He had a safe with a dozen or so full power rifles of all sorts. I suspect the majority of the 6.5/100 gun owners in the UK are in these rural areas. Most of us live in cities & just don't mix in those social circles.
@@engineeredlifeformI live in Texas I shot 12g ak74 mp5 22lr, 30-30 lever action, mini gun, 9mm rifle and gun, .308 revolver and 22 magnum actually I shoot almost every weekend I own my private gun range in my Texas range but when in the city I’m in the range
This is pretty common in the UK and I was exactly the same until I took up shooting as a hobby. Now I'm the only person my friends know outside of the military that shoots firearms lol!
I am an old lady of almost 80. Up until about seven years ago I had a combined shotgun and firearms licence. I have land to keep my horses and poultry on, and needed to be able to control vermin. It was no problem to get my licence as I had a good reason for it, was 'of good character' and my gp had no concerns about my mental health. I bought an approved gun cabinet and had it installed in a suitable place by a recommended installer, then contacted the police who came to inspect my set-up. All was well and I was issued with my licence then bought the shotgun I'd decided on. A few months later, the FO came to do a spot check but I had a friend visiting with their teenage grandchildren. At the front door I told him this, so he made a comment thanking me loudly for a (non-existent) witness statement about a car accident and said goodbye. He came by again a couple of weeks later. I gave up shooting gradually, starting about ten years ago, as my eyesight began to deteriorate. Now a pleasant young man shoots vermin on my land about once or twice a week. I gave him written and signed permission to do so, which he had to show to the police in order to be issued with his licence.
@@jizzmonkey9679 Thanks for that, I couldn't remember the term - I stopped shooting seven or eight years ago, about the same time as I handed in my driving licence. It is indisputable that eyesight deteriorates and reaction times slow as one ages, and I felt that was the only responsible thing to do as there is, as yet, no known way to avoid old age and what comes with it.
Very reasonable response to simply getting older .Avoid potential accidents/tragedy by simply realizing its not safe anymore . And the same thing with giving up driving . Cheers to you young lady !!!
Even in those countries with the most permissive gun regulations, the US is the ONLY one where self-defence is accepted as a valid reason for ownership among the general population. Countries, especially western-style democracies, accept that public safety is a rôle the police force fulfills.
We have self defense as valid reason for owning a gun. Of course we have to fulfill some necessary requirements, we can't buy guns just like that. Hello from Czechia.
@@Seticzech I believe there are similar rules for Germany, that is, you can get one if you are competent and can point to a reason you need one for self-defense - just saying "I need one for self-defense" doesn't cut it (not least because there might be better ways to deal with the problem).
@@RickZackExploreOffroad I would be very interested to see any evidence that Wilde was a “socialists” (sic). He was an “aestheticist”. In any case, over a third of the British electorate vote for the Labour party, which openly admits to being socialist. Many Americans I have met accused me of being a communist because I argued in favour of the National Health Service of the UK. I am a retired officer of Her late Majesty’s Armed Forces Reserves. I have fired many weapons and instructed in their safe use over many years service (a total of 48 years). Not once have I felt the need to own a firearm of any kind. The comments about Wilde never having seen bears are irrelevant and specious and have nothing to do with the genuine points being dealt with in this thread.
Contrary to popular (US) belief ... the right to own a gun is not a symbol of freedom, the real freedom is living in a country where you never think about needing one. In the US, your constitution means that "the government" need to look at reasons why you should NOT have a gun. In the UK, YOU have to convince "the government" that you need one, and you can forget about getting anything "military" that has not been deactivated. Also, contrary to US belief ... most European countries and other "1st world" countries actually enjoy _more_ freedom than US citizens. Spoiler: If everyone, including yourself, keeps telling you that you are free ... that is usually a good sign that you're not.
You should watch a video on the Dunblane school massacre to help explain why our gun laws are this way. Tennis player Andy Murray was at the school when it happened. He rarely talks about it but he is understandably upset.
The difference in gun culture is really quite remarkable. I’m from a fairly rural area (Cornwall), and I’ve only ever seen a gun once or twice in my life (excluding museums or other historical experiences), both owned by farmers who live nearby to me. Other than that I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, anyone who wants to, or anyone who has to. It’s so curious how different the UK experience is to Americans
@richardgale1287 A Cutless, actually fits history, A cutless is still the term they use in Jamaica for the blade that cuts sugarcane. Plus Cornwell has long connections in Jamaica, Cornwall is the name of one of three county's in Jamaica. Also think of that novel, The Jamaica Inn, its also set in Cornwall. So a fight with a cutless seems unsurprising.
It's just the opposite here in the US. I've only met a few people in my area that didn't own a firearm. I myself own about two dozen. Here they are considered basically a tool. Really no different then a hammer, saw or screwdriver.
Best summed up by Rowan Atkinson's character in The Thin Blue Line "In order to allow someone to own a gun, I must first ask questions as to whether they are a suitable person to own one. One of those questions must be "Does this person wish to own a gun?". If the answer is "Yes" then they are clearly not a suitable person to own a gun."
@@northfield3654 If someone wants to own a constitutional right lawfully, they are able to period. Why are you so fearful of lawful people owning guns for defense or recreation? The people you are worried about already can't own guns and do not give a rats behind about your silly little laws.
Having a gun for "self defence" never made sense to me as an Aussie. It's a long-range _offensive_ weapon, and therefore not something to _defend_ yourself with. It's a deadly weapon that you can easily kill someone with - how is a deadly weapon necessary for DEFENCE? What are the cops even for in the US?
Cops even outside the US are an afterthought bud. 90% of the time they arrive after the mess is already done bro. 😂 They have zero legal obligation to protect you. Atleast here in the US.
@@turquoisebubbles2042it’s called a ccw where you can carry a small weapon on your body for close range in counters. It has saved tens of if not hundreds of lives
No weapons of any kind are permitted for 'self-defence' in the UK. Whilst you are allowed to defend yourself and if you happen to have a object on you, such as an umbrella, and you use it to defend yourself that is fine, but if you have a specific item to defend yourself it becomes an offensive weapon and therefore illegal. Pepper sprays are also not permitted.
@@Rachel_M_ as a older female that lives alone. I keep a rather large metal torch at my front door. Of course it isn't for self defence, it's so I can see if the many lights in my communal hallway lights go out lol
I have never quite understood why Americans seem to love their guns more than their children. Just because your constitution says you can own a gun, why would that take priority over the trauma your kids go to every time they get on a school bus?
As a UK gun owner, the process is quite easy. If everything checks out, you'll be granted a certificate allowing you to use and own firearms up to the caliber supported by the club you're a member of. You can also apply for variations, so if you have a farmer friend who wishes to allow you to shoot on their land, the police will visit the land and asses what calibers are safe to shoot. Once they have a signed letter from the land owner, they can grant the variation and you can now own the calibers permitted for use on that land. Variations cost about £20, so it's not too bad. We also don't need to send forms off to be given approval for suppressors. We just list them on our licence and we're good to go. All of mine have them because nobody wants to have to wear hearing protection. Pre-covid, the club I was a member of allowed up to .50 bmg. Covid put them out of business though. So now I shoot on a farmer friends land and shoot .223 mainly out of a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 which has a sub-MOA guarantee. Beautiful rifle. We have quite a few rifles from the likes of Savage Arms too which are brilliant rifles. Just wish my safe was big enough to hold more rifles 😂
Long time watcher, first time commenter. As a follow up to this video, look up the dumblaine school shooting (tennis players Andy Murray, and his brother were at the school at that time) this one incident brought out an entire ban on side arms in the UK. There was a short amnesty for people to hand in guns, then it became illegal for anyone in the UK to hold or own a side arm
"I want a gun for 'self-protection'." This would make you ineligible for consideration because it is an admission that, under certain circumstances, you would be prepared to point it at another person.
Absolutely correct, if you mention this to the police then you'll be quietly refused permission for owning anything other than maybe a car. Even if you owned an air rifle they'd raise an eyebrow, after that.
So in other words your government are afraid of the wrong people. Why are you so afraid of lawful people using the most effective tool to protect themselves
😂 20th century alone validated the 2nd amendment. Governments are responsible for over 100,000,000 peoples deaths in the last 100 years alone promising safety and security in place of individual freedoms. Keep in mind we were founded by random citizens coming together with their own Arms fighting the most powerful empire in the world at the time.
Well the fantatics that obsess over the 2nd Amendment believe that they and their little Beretta or AR-15 are going to stop the US military from taking away their rights.
@paulmilner8452 Wild west had less gun crime unironically. Yet no virtually no laws. Unless you were of color. Yet you guys never want to talk about gun laws being historically racist.
My dad owned a shotgun for decades. To this day I still have no idea where he stored it or the ammo even though he no longer has it. That toddlers in the US accidentally shoot their parents every so often is unfathomable to me, as is the idea that you can freely own and carry in public a weapon that you do not need to prove any competence of use...
It is usually toddlers in houses where owning an illegal firearm is somewhere around halfway down in terms of what all illegal activity is going on in there. Would be nice to see statistics broken down in this manner
@@jamesgornall5731 Not judging from news reports from the US on the subject. Often seems to be an irresponsible parent who keeps it in the bedside table drawer with bullets in for good measure.
Dad had a 22 rifle (originally UK - used for shooting rabbits and pigeons during the war - before moving to NZ) and the ammo was in the dressing table drawer, the rifle was up in the loft = wrapped to keep it clean and protected) but I've no idea where the bolt was kept. I do remember dad searching a couple of times because he forgot where he had hidden it (he had his own ''shooting range'' out on some land he owned in the country and would go shooting once a year or so). This was in the days before gun safes were required. My neighbour had one as well, the rifle was in the garage but I've no idea where the ammo or bolt were but they were definitely kept well apart and hidden. It was just common sense (and quite possibly a legal requirement though I don't know, I do know they had a fight every time they gun licences were renewed but dad often also did vermin shooting with someone from work and I suspect that swung the need for a licence. The rats on the tips were too big for an air rifle.
The first I knew about my dad’s guns was when my mum surrendered them to the police after he died. That’s when I discovered we had a secure gun cabinet under the stairs!
My secret pleasure is getting into debates about guns with americans on gun nut channels. They get so triggered when you present them with facts and logic. All they can parrot back is propaganda, brainwashing, and flat out lies.
@@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking fancy seeing you here, been subbed for a few months. I have a nice little hatsan break barrel, willow stock, for plinking and ratting. Not the most expensive, but good enough for my purposes
At my work we keep being spammed by a US gun shop offering to sell us ammo. As none of us have gun licences, I keep wanting to reply to them to point out they are trying to get us to break U.K. law. I suspect they have never thought of it.
Probably a bot. That said I get a lot of spam concerning ammo sales. Since I buy ammunition in bulk, usually 1,000 rounds at a time, I don't mind it. I'm always looking for a good deal.
UK Population is over 67 million, NOT the 56 million quoted. The video creator seems to be making the all-too-common mistake of confusing England (56 million) and the UK.
@@DavesFootballChannelGrow up. Is deriding my (correct) observation really so important to you? Or relevant to anything? I have made three further posts on this thread, so I think the answer is quite clear, sunshine.
@@DavesFootballChannel Maybe you do? You seem quite the sort. ps. Derision is the last refuge of those who have made total pillocks of themselves. As you have.
As a UK gun owner i have a small collection of classic shotguns. They're not impossible to get but the system does make it difficult to get them. It's also VERY easy to loose your licence and have your guns seized. For instance in the states from what I understand you can literally make your own improvised firearm for personal use. Here that'll land you a 10 stretch.
So how's that right to bear arms going? 630 mass shootings in the USA this year, in the UK we have had 8 since 2020. Have to say making it a privilege seems to be working over here.
@@jamesgornall5731 He's correct, 8 since 2020. 6 of those had no fatalities (but multiple people injured), one had 1 fatality and 4 injured (Liverpool). The worst was Plymouth, 6 dead (including the gunman) and 2 injured. They probably wouldn't make the local news in the USA.
What I do not understand is why children in US also have guns. I remember seeing a photograph of a politician with his wife and children standing in front of their Christmas tree and every single child was holding a large gun and so were their parents. I think that is obscene.
Propaganda. You cannot legally own or buy a rifle or shotgun till 18. Then 21 for handguns. The pictures you see are adult supervision training or safety. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching your kids proper gun safety and practice while supervising them.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Well I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, and I hope I never do. As for sending out Christmas cards with that photograph on the front, I think it’s appalling. The Christmas message is about peace on Earth and good will to all men.
Maybe if you were born and raised here you would understand when you put around 320 million people all from wildly different backgrounds and cultures into a single country, things can tend to escalate rapidly. I would love to explain to you why it is completely appropriate to own a gun in the US, but that would take a while.
A point that was glossed over in this video was that in Great Britain 'self defence' is NOT considered a legitimate reason to own a firearm, which is one of the reasons a lot of US citizens cite as to why they need a weapon. People often say that we may not have a gun problem, but we have a knife problem. This is true- but the US has considerably more knife crimes per head of population than the UK, in addition to their gun crime statistics!
@@nolajoy7759 You must be too young to remember nursery teacher Lisa Potts who defended the children she was looking after from a viscous and indiscriminate machete attack in Wolverhampton in 1996. She has a page on Wikipedia, if you want to know more.
@@jerry2357 No I am not too young, and do remember that tragedy and her bravery well. As someone who worked with young children this felt very close to home. Of course I wasn't suggesting that we don't have a knife problem, just stating the fact that the US has worse statistics than us on this as well as fun crime.
The last school shooting in the UK was in 1996 in Scotland. It was so long ago that British tennis player Andy Murray was a student there at the time. Thankfully he was in a different room, so wasn’t hurt.
But it's not a right in nearly every country on earth. The general consensus is that guns are only in mass circulation in the event of civil war, in any country (the UK is no specific exception to this).
Canada, Switzerland places like that many people own guns, in Switzerland it was law that people had to have one when they left the army after national service
It's interesting that the right to gun ownership is written into the constitution (if only as an amendment) and slavery (in prison) is specifically allowed.
Except,unless you are a convicted felon,in which case you have the right to own a firearm removed. The fear of Britain removing colonists weapons was one of the given reasons for the revolution, they tended to shoot people and start wars,then complain when taxes needed to be raised to pay for the war. It's the reason gun ownership was written into the constitution. In effect what it means is that Americans are constantly on the verge of revolution,both with their government and each other.
@@2727rogers "For some reason it was interrupted the other way" The reason is 1 miilion percent clear when you realise the firearms industry makes a lot of money on it and uses a significant portion of it to protect their interests in Washington DC. Without those profit margins the industry flounders and the support for the amendments interpretation dies a horrible death. What needs to happen is someone doing to the firearms industry what was done to the British slave trade. Make a law that does not directly affect it, but makes it either so utterly unprofitable, or impactical that the industry can no longer support their lobbying efforts.
@@mnomadvfx hat would be a great idea but thanks to Citizen United that would be hard to to. Remember in the USA corporations are citizens as well. What a stupid decision that was for sure.
Long may it continue, we in the UK can't understand why gun ownership is so important to Americans, so many mass shootings, no one bats an eylid ............ senseless 🤨
So, gangs exist and criminals don't obey laws. Most mass shootings in the US are gang violence, we aren't an island like GB or Japan, and we clearly have next to no border security on the border with a country mostly run by cartels.. Murders happen in less than a minute, and police are several minutes to an hour away. Why are you so puzzled by Americans care about the right and ability to defend ourselves??
The point IS that when the Constitution was written, the most powerful gun you could get was a musket. Muzzle-loading, black-powder using and THREE shots per minute. Who the hell NEEDS a gun that can fire 100 rounds a minute anyway? The problem is that you Americans have become so beholden to them and enthralled by them that, despite more mass shootings per year than there are DAYS, you just can't seem to do without them (NOTE: YES you CAN). And do NOT give me that crap of "Well, if someone had a gun they could have taken the shooter out!" - if NOBODY had guns then those who were killed with them would still be alive. I wonder whether your opinion would change at all if one of YOUR children was killed with a gun. Having a gun does NOT give you freedom. True freedom is being able to walk down ANY street at ANY time and NOT need them. And never forget that although it is written down, Laws CAN be changed or repealed. It has happened at least 3 times before.
When I was going to visit New York, I told my eldest sister I would have to get a gun for protection. She was horrified and said,Ohh! Sal,do be careful. 🤣🤣On a more serious note,I have never known or met anyone here with a gun,apart from exceptions like local Welsh farmers,to protect their livestock from such as foxes. Even then,they never discuss or display them. I can only imagine knowing that anywhere you go over there has a strong potential for being in the wrong place at the wrong time is scary ,to put it mildly.I do fully understand why homeowners need guns as protection from intruders though.. One of the most disturbing things I have seen on footage,is the way the police don’t stop when taking down a suspect,but just keep shooting until they are dead. Now that is terrifying.Where do you draw the line?! Thank god to live over here
I have never once in my 52 years of life ever felt the need for a gun in Britain, I don't hunt for my food. I go to the shops. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody and I have never felt threatened enough to warrant owning a gun. I've seen videos of Americans who seem to be obsessed with guns. I can only think it's some kind of a power trip. Maybe they need a gun to make themselves feel strong? Or maybe they're just so paranoid that they feel they need a gun.
There aren't many legitimate reasons for gun ownership in the UK. Pest control in rural areas and target shooting are the main ones. In fairness to our American friends, the violent crime statistics suggest that it isn't just paranoia!
And you have completely the wrong mindset to own a gun. In the UK, as detailed in the video, owning a gun is only for hunting or recreational purposes, NEVER self defense.
@@engineeredlifeformHow many school shootings have there being in America??? How many people die or are wounded from gunshot wounds in America 🤔.... I don't think I need to say anything else
@@coffeecolic5799 You shouldn't have said anything. The video is about gun ownership in the UK. The person that started this thread, is in the UK. I am in the UK. We aren't talking about US gun ownership, approving of it, promoting it or anything like that. I myself am quite critical of it, so take your rant elsewhere.
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Well 1. Our gun deaths are going down. Despite record sales. 2. Most of our gun deaths are suicides. 3. Most of our actual gun homicides or violent deaths are gang related inner city crime. Since we have over 33,000 recognized gangs and over 1,000,000 members. While UK has like 5. And like 3000 or 4000 members.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 There are more school shootings than days of the year in the US and why exactly do you think that the US has more of a gang problem, perhaps its the easy access to firearms and high poverty/low education levels, the USA is a First World/Third World country and has been for some time.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Whilst deaths by violence in the US remain between 5 and 30 times that of other developed countries all of which also have gangs and other social problems, your arguments that guns reduce violence are demonstrably false. Once the rate in the US falls appreciably below other countries, than maybe you would be in a position to comment.
Gun ownership is not a right, its a privilege. A right is something EVERYONE should have access to. There are many, MANY people who should NOT have access to guns.
@robertstallard7836 driving a car is also a privilege. Very few people NEED to drive a car. It certainly is beneficial to many (some work commutes would be hellish without one). But there are usually other options. Although the technical jargon may be different when written in law, I suppose.
@robertstallard7836 Care to explain how something can be a RIGHT when there are all kinds of qualifiers? How many qualifiers are their for the right to breath, to work, etc *STARE*
@robertstallard7836 In some states of the USA you don't even have to be 18 to buy a rifle. In some states you don't need a license. If bought on a gun fair or from a private person you don't get any background checks. And in lots of cases the background check comes down to someone hopefully typing in the name correctly in a database that is incomplete, not up to date and that may or may not have the data from other states. In some states you don't need even a license for concealed carry. In some states you can *legally* go walking or even shopping while openly having a gun on you, be it a gun in a holster or even a rifle/shotgun slung on your back. And don't get me started about no official safety instructions or training is needed or that you pretty much can buy all the guns and all the ammo that you can afford with no one questioning it or keeping track of it. So tell me again how the USA gun laws aren't that different with Europe let alone the UK?
To the deaths comparison. 2022. UK had 28 firearm deaths. USA had 48,830. Even allowing for the 6x greater population in the USA you are 250x more likely to be killed by a gun in the USA than the UK. You are 18x more likely to be a homicide victim in the USA than UK regardless of weapon type. Imagine that. 17 out of 18 homicides. Families destroyed. Homes wrecked. Prisons filled. Don't happen in the UK. It's fair to say you are 18x safer in regards to homicide in the UK than the USA. A difference that is just VAST. A gulf in personal safety that beggars belief (Again that is accounting for population differences) Then there are gun related accidental deaths. We get 1 every 5 years in the UK. It's one every 27 days in the USA. 65x greater Everyone I know who owns a gun ( I live in an area between a major city and the countryside and know a lot of farmers. So this is a sample of maybe 30 gun owners?) Was interviewed, provided references, had a house visit (mostly to check storage - at least that's what the official says... I suspect they check other things as well) All but one had to provide a reference from their GP who performed a mental wellness check. Most who have owned guns for 5 years or mare have had a none scheduled visit to check compliance. The most common fire arm law that is broken in the UK... is owning a gun without a license. It isn't using it illegally. It's owning it illegally.
Actually owning a gun is very easy in the UK if you have a legitimate reason (Self defence is not a legitimate reason). I owned a gun from 16 till about 19 (I had to surrender the firearm when I went to university due to letting my club membership expire). No one stormed my front door, I was sent a letter and given time to resolve to issue (I decided to sell the firearm back to a local store).
@@Deano-Dron81 You can in Northern Ireland, for obvious reasons. Northern Ireland is part of the UK so he is technically right. You can't in Great Britain.
It is a Symbiotic relationship between media and the gun manufacturers in the US. The media sells fear porn harder than just about any other country in the world, that causes fear, fear causes people to go out and buy guns. More guns means more people get shot. The media conflates the issue for clickbait money, people get scared and buy more guns. That's my assessment from watching it as a neighbor for about 40 years now.
@NorsemanPatriot I have lived in Wales for many years, beeen lucky enough to have travelled world wide and have lived in South East Asia for ten years. I can honestly say the only time I ever felt unsafe was during my time in New York. It felt like living in a third world developimg nation.
My country Northern Ireland, UK😂 Aye we can own guns for personal protection and even conceal carry hanguns thanks to terrorism we have better gun laws than the rest of the UK pity we can't own semi autos over .22lr and have a 1000 round restriction per calibre other wise I will get me a nice SLR
A knife within 21 feet is also a certain death fate, especially if you are not trained. Thus is why a gun you legally own and carry for defense is a more effective tool.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 you're more likely to die from a bullet that a knife. Also, you can run from somebody with a knife. Try outrunning a bullet. True freedom is not needing a gun.
I'm in the UK. My husband and I were target pistol shooters until they were banned (we were also active in the protests against banning them), so I know a little about the topic. To obtain our licences, as well as going through the personal vetting process described here, we also had to prove membership of a recognised pistol club. The club we belonged to owned both an indoor and an outdoor range, where we went to shoot. "Personal protection" is absolutely NOT considered a good reason for owning a gun, and if you mention this phrase, you will instantly be considered unfit to hold a firearms licence. It suggests that you may have some kind of fantasies about shooting people. A gun owner must store all firearms and ammunition in a secure, fireproof locked cabinet which is out of sight. We had to buy a very heavy metal gun safe which was bolted to the wall of the house in an obscure corner of the top floor, with a main section for the pistols and a separately locked compartment for ammo, and this setup was inspected by firearms officers as part of approving the licence. (No pistols there now, obviously, but at least it's still a useful document safe.) Guns are allowed out of the safe only while being used or maintained. While being transported anywhere they must be in secure, inconspicuous cases. Showing a firearm to any unlicensed person, or even showing them where they're stored, is grounds for immediate loss of your licence. Once while I was away at a job training course and my husband was out shopping, the house was burgled. Of course he phoned the police, and when he said "we're target shooters and there are guns in the house", they were round in no time flat! By the time they arrived, he had checked the gun safe, and the burglars hadn't penetrated that far into the house. When the police came, he said he'd checked and the guns were OK. They still wanted to see them. "Are you firearms officers? Do you have a firearms licence?" Neither of them did. "Then I'm not even allowed to tell you where the safe is." They were very disappointed.
NI is the only part of the U.K. where you can hold a handgun for self defence. You do need to have evidence that you are at risk which the PSNI can verify or they will possibly contact you that you are under threat and offer you the opportunity to have a firearm.
@@TheGiff7 Not quite, a very very few people in the mainland hold a PPW license, Personal Protection License, an old friend of mine had one, due to their former job in the military.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 I’ve seen a very few police officers, honestly, always had a friendly chat and sometimes a joke and a smile with them. I’ve seen their holsters, but have never seen a real gun outside of a holster in my life.
Obviously you have never hunted or needed to protect yourself, your loved ones, or your property from predators. Either the two or four legged variety.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad Exactly. I or any of my family have ever hunted animals. I’ve never had a burglar. Honestly growing up our back door was never locked, why I don’t know, never thought about it growing up and we were never burgled. Lucky, probably. But can’t think of other neighbours being burgled. I know guns exist people with a license and pretty sure some people have them with no license. There’s crime here of course in Australia. I didn’t live a sheltered life. I went to high school via bus and train. As a teenager when I got my license I went out to the pub, friends, movies in the city. I had my bag ripped out of my hand once walking by a teenager on bike, A lady driving by saw I was distressed asked why, and drove and got my bag back. I’ve been on holidays local and interstate. Guess I’m lucky, I don’t know, I’ve never seen any real violence personally in my life.
@@iapetusmccooli don't think it's reasonable threat, it's reasonable force with your response to the threat. Reasonable force would rarely include use of a gun I think - I'm sure that would be over the top. I guess it could do but can't think of a case where it's happened.
So if you defended yourself from a violent attackers you get charged. I'm so glad I live where a man can defend himself, which self-preservation is a natural right and law.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No. If you use excessive force to defend yourself you get charged. Since it is incredibly unlikely that your attackers will have guns, it is incredibly unlikely that using a gun against them could be considered a reasonable response. There is this new thing that you might want to check out. It's called nuance.
😅Our gun ownership has always been restricted to some extent but in 1996 a gunman walked tnto a Primary School (7 to 11 years) and shot and killed one teacher and 16 children, before shooting himself. I believe that Andy Murray, the tennis player , was a pupil at the school but not involved with the shooting. After this massacre, our gun laws were toughened up a lot.
I’m perfectly fine with owning a gun is a right in the United States. As long as the Atlantic Ocean is between this second amendment enthusiasts and my family and myself.
the problem at the moment in the states is gun ownership and firearms laws have become massivly politicised,until that changes nothing else about them will.
Please take a look at a video about the dunblane massacre, I was 6 at the time and still remember how devastating it was. This is the reason our gun laws are as they are. I dread to think how many of these massacres would have happened in the uk had we not taken the steps we did, when we did.
Appreciate your point, but in the US there have been 559 mass shootings in 2023. No other country is even close, even when considering other weapons. Gun culture is the problem. My simplistic overview of the underlying issue in the uk is more around social and community services diminishing over the last 13 years of Tory government.
I've been trying to explain this to people for so long. It's always the other brits that tell me I'm wrong. Honestly most of the people over here actually believe they are illegal unless you are a famer. I actually had someone say that if guns were in any way legal then the hoodie gangsters would be able to get them. That's the level of intelligence I'm going up against sometimes 😩
Surprising it is as many as 6.5 guns per 100 people. Thinking again most of that must be multiple ownership. I am 47 & have only seen one gun in my life-an old WW2 Bren Rifle when helping to clear out an elderly family friends house in the late 1980's. Don't think I have ever met anybody who actually owns a gun or goes target shooting.
1 person multiple guns, my brother in law has 6 different shotguns and 4 different kind of rifles, which he has to constantly use to a certain amount in order to keep the licence for each as if they're not being used them he does not need them, as far as it was explained to me by him
There's 120 guns per 100 people. We have over 400,000,000 guns and 335,000,000 people. Yet our gun homicides this year are 18,000 (mostly gang related) and it's trending downward despite record sales. Guns used for bad purposes vs the guns in circulation is a percent of a percent of a percent. Like 0.0020% of our guns are used to kill.
@@elemar5 Most likely-I know it was used in WW2. My knowledge of guns is pretty much zero. Just remember it looked like a rifle to me when I was 11/12 years old.
Guns are never allowed for self-defence in the UK. Sport, or hunting, yes. Self-defence, NO! While that may seem antithetical to the American mindset, as a consequence, far less people are victim to fatal crimes. In fact no weapons are allowed for self defence, outside of the police, where they're generally only used as a last resort (crazies and terrorists take note though, armed police will drop you before you know what happened).
Considering what we now know about armed police ( GMP, West Mids, the Met ) I don't think even they'll exist in ten years. Most armed cops are egoists on a power trip ( & I've known some of them personally ).
The reply about Switzerland - I'm aware of that situation (I have friends there and I have seen their firearm). It was designed as national defence, not civil defence against one another. World wide, firearms are essentially the necessity of a country's army. You can shoot from a distance without the target seeing you. That makes a firearm an OFFensive weapon, not a DEFensive weapon. And it's for that reason that access to firearms is tightly controlled, it's not because anyone wants to suppress your rights of self protection. There are lots of alternative ways of protecting yourself.
It is my understanding that they are also issued a limited amount of ammunition and have to account for every shot, although that may be out of date by now.
@@StormhavenGaming Switzerland doesn't have ammo restrictions. Some US journalists got confused because you can't take government ammo home. But of course you can just go to a gun shop or mail order as much non government ammo as you want.
Many many guns in Switzerland aren't even registered (most pre WW2 swiss rifles for instance) let alone heavily restricted. I lived in Switzerland, why do people (especially US journalists) make up laws. You can literally just look them up. People seem to totally forget in Switzerland if you are a man who is a Swiss citizen you have to go in the army and they give you a rifle. But the 70% of the population who aren't men or Swiss citizens can still buy guns and ammo. More types of guns than you can in the States. With just a simple police background check paper (they don't have a database like the states).
My American cousin got a pink AR15 for her birthday, another year she got a handgun she could conceal down her boot. Can’t imagine living my life so constantly in fear!
I can't imagine living in a society where not only the people are frightened of a tool but their own government is frightened of the prople owning that tool. Sad really.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad . An AR15 is crap for hunting and crap for self defence. It’s also not going to stop a bunch of fighter jets or Abrams tanks if you’re worried about your government.
@@susanmullen5105 Then don't own one if you feel you have no need or desire to own one. Pretty simple really. Of course as the old saying goes "it's better have one and not need it then to need one and not have it". Since I prefer organic free ranging protein, a firearm is pretty handy. I also live in a area where people are not at the top of the food chain. They come in very handy if one is facing a mountain lion, brown bear, wolves or coyotes. I also spend a lot of time in wilderness areas, for up to 2 weeks at a time, and a firearm is a basic survival tool. No less valuable then a first aid kit.or an emergency shelter. Then of course not all predators walk on four legs. At least in the real world. More then half of the two dozen or so firearms I own I have because of their historical value, uniqueness, or sentimental value. For example I don't "need" a 1841 .50 Cal Hawkins Buffalo Gun or a 1866 Winchester "Yellow Boy". But I like them.. My great granddad's 1878 12 Ga shotgun has no practical purpose. Firearms are just tools, nothing more. Like all tools some are some are better suited for specific tasks.
I went to visit cousins in the states a few years back. One of them, proudly, showed me his collection of substitute penises (guns) and started talking about them as if they had feelings. I just walked out the room. The moron had 6 handguns, 3 AR15’s and I have know idea how many bullets. Apparently it’s for “self-protection”; the guy is a physiotherapist… what enemies does he think he has??
If you say "its for self defence" you will be refused simply for the reason that you would use the firearm if you felt threatened. If no one has a firearm then no one is threatened therefore everyone is safe. I am 53 and in my life i have only seen firearms in the airport, at the queens funeral, and pheasant shooting. I am therefore relaxed my children can go to school college or cities and are veey unlikely to be shot.
@@davedavids57 unless you are a firearms officer in the police or royal security you will not get far. The law of self defence in the UK is very strict that you need to prove this was in proportion to the threat. There are farmers in jail because their farm or house was broken into they used their shotgun, then argued this was self defence and then lost. I suggest you read the act and look for self defence, but you need to also understand that the inspecting officers do not issue liciences to the general public for self defence. It is likely to count against you.
I won't bang on about my opinion MUCH, But USA has more gun deaths in ONE day than we have in a year. Kinda obvious that more guns means more deaths. During the ten years on the Vietnam war ,more died from guns back home within America then died in the ten year war. We used to have guns, people had assault rifles but after two mass shooting they first took away AKs and the like then after Dublane that banned hand guns. And now it's all kool. Some criminals are armed but the sentence for having a gun is years. And now with knives any fixed blade or over three inches can get u 3 years in jail. But as this video says you have small calibre target shooters and shot gun owners. But incredibly hard to get a licence. More chance living in the sticks on a farm. BTW our cops are actually often armed or there's rapid ARV response in every town. More since the war on terror. BUT in my opinion the USA due to 2nd amendment won't ever change. But you do need to do something with 20,000 deaths a year and trigger happy cops. I've been to the USA but didn't fire guns but actually did in Canada and military service. But that's part of life and unless it's a war you book them out have range time and book them back with check after check. When I look at USA shootings and idiots saying arm teachers I just think madness. Then the guy in Vegas who went back and forth over days bringing bag's of guns. You could start with a law of no guns in public building like hotels. Just a thought. I'm happy here in the UK knowing that in the rare chance a cop stops me that I don't have to ask permission to breath 🤔 or worry that if I move for my glove box I might get shot. Daniel Shaver got wasted for trying to pull his jeans up 😮🤔✌️
One key point to understand: in the UK even if you are allowed to own a gun it is still ILLEGAL to carry it in public or to keep it for home defence. It must be locked away separate from its ammo. If you were to shoot someone pleading self defence would get you absolutely nowhere.
No you can have a gun for self defence - you have to apply directly to the Home office - the licence is issue under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. It's believed up to 1,000 people in England carry a concealed hand gun. Mainly politicians, ex police/military. There is even a form on the Home Office website. Although I suspect you may need good reason!!
One of the owners of a business I worked for lived on and owned a farm out in the moors. He kept a shotgun, for dealing with rabbits and vermin. He used to ask me to sign his License renewal applications as a referee - as I was a qualified professional allegedly of good character and standing, or whatever. I saw from the forms that the renewal process (let alone the initial granting) was far from straightforward, with plenty of conditions!
The two elements he missed out in the video is a license is required to buy ammunition and the license will specify the number, types and calibre of guns that can be owned. There is also a requirement to store ammunition in a separated locked container and it is an offence to have a loaded gun outside a designated firing area, e.g. a gun club, this restriction includes your own home.
It is amazing in USA is ,, right to own the gun...but is privilege to have medical care...,, well done America you have to have everything upside down....
From my pov people in the US seem to think they're still living in the 1600s in the wild west. I honestly can't understand how any government (and honestly how any citizen) can possibly think that it's normal to not only give everyone access to weapons that are only used by soldiers in war zones anywhere else, but to have practically 0 checks on whether that person may be dangerous and what they're likely to do with that weapon! It's just ridiculous. Having a gun you don't really understand how to use and store safely and have no real understanding what are the very real consequences of using it is irresponsible and dangerous. The "oh i just want one for self protection and hope I'll never have to use it" reason is ridiculous. You don't live in a war zone, and the odds of you being able to draw your gun on someone who is already attacking you with a gun before they kill you are extremely small. Indeed even if you're attacked with a knife you're not very likely to be able to protect yourself in time, and not be disarmed by the attacker and have your gun used against you. The only way you get to defend yourself is if you're drawing first, and that makes you the aggressor. Especially since someone who has a gun but doesn't regularly trains to use it is far less likely to have the necessary presence of mind to use it responsibly and calmly and not just kill someone in rage or panic. A gun is not a toy and just reacting without thinking while holding a gun can only cause problems and serious injuries. But everyone in the US is completely desensitized to that, gun violence is so rampant that most people can't even realize the consequences anymore until it's too late. It's not like after you've killed somebody you can fix it, or get over the trauma just like that! And incredibly not even the police is trained to use guns responsibly in the US. You often see officers react with extreme violence for things that can be easily resolved with diplomacy or common sense. They clearly have no training, they're just given a gun and i imagine whoever is in charge thinks the fact of having that gun automatically makes them calm in a crisis?!? Or more likely whoever is in charge doesn't think at all, not passed the "everyone has guns, so we must have them, and since everyone has them they don't require any training". Many people in the US treat guns the same way entitled children treat toys, i.e. "i have the right to have guns and do what i want with them, bring them wherever i like and threaten whoever i want, and if you try to take them away because I've proven over and over that I'm irresponsible with them I'm going to throw a tantrum the size of the empire state building and go set fire to the house (i.e. overthrow the government)". That seems extremely irresponsible and entitled. The very fact that even your kindergartners need to go through gun attack drills in school as if they live in a war zone and nobody bats an eye at that shows how irresponsible most people are. Almost everywhere else one school shooting is enough to have everyone asking for much harsher gun laws, and everyone agrees it's the right thing to do, including gun owners! In the US there are literally hundreds of school shootings each year, most done by teens who aren't considered responsible enough to drink a beer but are somehow allowed guns!??? You have 6 year olds bringing guns to school and threatening teachers and other kids and their parents don't even get a slap on the wrist for that?!? You have kids picking up parents guns and killing family members or themselves because they treated that gun as a toy, and yet there is no regulation on how to store guns safely and people are still allowed to put them wherever?! You supervise your kids more around cleaning products than guns?!? And people act as if it's absolutely normal to sacrifice hundreds of children every year so that anyone can buy an AK47 at Walmart with practically 0 checks and have it on the kitchen counter where their 6 year old can take it and shoot the neighbors kids because they fought over a toy! Zero respect for human life, zero understanding of the fact that any right is also a responsibility, and in fact zero understanding of the concept of responsibility itself! Any rational adult should be able to understand that if you're not capable of exercising your rights responsibly then they should be taken away. It's the basis of the justice system, and for god's sake it's even the basis of kids education, if you can't be responsible you lose your privileges! Yet any attempt to implement that when it comes to guns is met with a nation wide tantrum. When at a national level there are proofs every day that the population is not responsible enough to use guns and the current system is a killer, in the most real sense of the word. You act as if gun control would mean slavery! What are you afraid of, if you think you're so worthy of carrying that gun?! Surely if you're such a good responsible gun owner you'll have no problems proving that and see no reason not to ensure irresponsible people don't have access to guns so they can't give good responsible gun owners like you a bad name by killing random kids in school shootings or random people in supermarket shootings etc etc etc.
Also, an armed burglar is probably going to be far more experienced and adept at use of force than someone who only knows how to shoot from eye level in broad daylight once a week. CQC with a gun is unpredictable even for experienced service personnel.
We had shotguns growing up, my parents both used to clay pigeon shoot. The rules and regulation are incredibly strict. The police would come round yearly to make sure they were locked away in a secure locker and you also have to keep ammunition in a separate area just in case someone does manage to break into the locker. Even in a secure and sporting setting I've seen accidents happen. The fact that anyone can get a gun in the US makes me feel physically sick.
I was a reference for a friends application last year. Had a 5 minute chat with an officer. Was very friendly and easy. He got turned down because the gun safe he got was too small for the gun he wanted. Once that was fixed the licence went through no problem.
It's incorrect that the US constitution gives citizens the right to own a gun. The US constitution only provides that right if the person is part of a government backed militia. Unless you are a member of the Armed forces or the police (The only government backed militias and it's also questionable whether they are in fact militias) then the constitution does NOT give citizens the right to own a gun. "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Well-regulated Militias = government backed militia. Unless a US citizen is a member of one of those, they don't have the right to own a gun or any other weapon.
In Canada, our licensing procedure is very similar to the UK. We do have much more hunting and dangerous wildlife here. Safety training is required. Handguns are allowed with a more strict permit. Unfortunately, most of our handgun crimes are committed using illegal guns smuggled in from the USA. Our government is trying to ban more guns here INSTEAD of putting the money towards stopping the illegal gun smuggling that is huge here!
Trudope won't be happy until all guns have been removed. Then the public are much easier to control. Although the fact that Canadians still have Trudope as a PM is more lethal to the public safety than any gun.
@@LaurieLeeAnnie He is horrific, under the persona of being good. We're the same, this seemingly lovely fellow as our PM, Rishi, when really he's as corrupt as them all, and just another useful idiot WEF puppet. We have an election this year - yay - but there is no one to vote for in his place as they are all shite - boo. We deserve better than all these western politicians who don't care about the people, and are as bent as a ten bob note.
I remember back in 1993 was on my way to new york for short break. Arrived at Heathrow Airport saw for first time police with semi automatic guns. Scared the life out of me. At the age of 36 had never seen a gun before in real life. Presumably in USA this is an everyday sight. Mind boggles 😢
I remember the first time I went to America and whilst having a coffee saw a police officer come in and casually dump his gun on the table. Gave away that I was a tourist right there and then because my eyes must've been as big as saucers 🤣
I remember in the late 1960's arriving at Munich Airport, seeing police wandering around the departure lounge with semi automatic riffles slung at their side. As we were going to our bus, we looked up and there appeared to be gun impalements on the roof
Proves you live in a UK bubble. Like 90% of the world's police force carry guns for regular duty. I think only 19 countries out of 195 do not carry for their regular police force.
Recently I've seen an updated report that puts it at around 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I don't know how accurate the report is but I can well imagine it could be that high because my friend in the US is like a one man army. He's sent me pictures of his guns. Here in the whole UK you get less gun deaths per year than one US city can get in one weekend. Where my friend lives in Portland Oregon I think there's been over 300 gun homicides this last year alone. He had a couple of home invaders break in whilst he was in his apartment, they broke down his locked front door to get inside. (My friend always keeps his front door locked even when he's in). He shot one dead and held the other at gun point until the police arrived. He has often messaged me to say he's heard gunshots down the street etc. This is whilst I live in rural Lincolnshire and I leave my door unlocked and nothing will happen. If I go outside my front door most of the year all I can hear is birds in my garden hedge or the council people mowing the grass on the parkland opposite my house. Only yesterday when we had the TV off, my partner said "I know I like things quiet but this is ridiculous". Middle of the day and it was dead silent, you could have heard a pin drop. That's the stark difference between a densely populated US city and a sparsely populated rural area of the UK. Two friends who live in places that are polar opposites.
There is really no way to know. The estimates mostly rely on polling and the accuracy of the answers are questionable, for numerous reasons. Hard data is only available concerning firearm sales through licensed firearm retailers via the NICS system. The NICS stem was implemented in Nov, 1998. The best guess is 420+ million firearms in the possession of law abiding citizens. This breaks down to 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 guns per adult. Polls say that between 40-48% of households own a firearm. That number is probably under counted though since many people when asked will reply "no" regardless if they do have a firearm. I own about two dozen, with well over 10,000 rounds of ammunition and would never tell a random stranger on the phone that I own any. My response to such inquiries is usually a polite "none of your damn business".
@RickZackExploreOffroad The only thing I know for certain is that there are more guns than there are people in the US. For a country where there isn't any national scale physical conflict occurring, this is beyond simply excessive.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 There are an estimated 420 million firearms in private hands in the US. That breaks down to about 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 firearms per adult. That is not, by any stretch of the imagination "excessive". Someone who hunts will probably have at least 3 rifles and/or shotguns. In any given year the states issues about 40 million hunting licenses. Add another 10 million for people aren't required to buy a license and that is 150 million firearms right there. Firearms are tools, no different then a hammer or a saw. And like most tools people tend to own different types for different tasks. I own about 20 firearms, some for historical reasons, some for their uniqueness, some because I happen to have bought one that was later replaced by a better model. Do you through away your hammers when you buy another? The 1911 .45 ACP is a large handgun and therefore hard to conceal in light summer clothes. The Walther PPQ 9mm is easy to conceal in the summer.. The Glock 43X even more so, but being compact only has a 10 round capacity. The .357 Mag Ruger revolver is powerful enough to stop a bear, and if loaded with snake shot is handy for rattlers during snake season. The M1A, chambered in 7.62 NATO/.308 WIN is powerful enough to take down any game in North America but is overkill for smaller game. The AR pattern rifles are considered underpowered for larger game but are excellent for mountain lions, coyotes, wolves, and the smaller species of deer. The 1866 Winchester chambered in 44-40 WCF doesn't have a long range but is good at shorter ranges, and of course a hoot to shoot. The 1841 Hawkins Buffalo Gun, chambered in .50 caliber, has no practical purpose other then it's just cool. Though it is mostly designated as a wall hanger these days. You get mu point? 20 firearms is a modest collection and has really no relevance to anything. All it indicates is a interest in firearms and a love for the outdoors. That and a healthy dose of being prepared and independence.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad It comes down to matter of opinion. I live in the country that has 5-6 guns per 100 people. There is simply no comparing to the US. Whether you designate guns tools or weapons, at the end of the day, they are still deadly, much deadlier than the aforementioned hammer and saw. If you are to retain guns and ensure a high degree of safety, stringent restrictions are the only logical recourse, especially for a country who's cultural identity is tied so much closer to guns than pretty much any other country. Yemen is in a civil war, has the second highest private gun ownership per capita in the world, but even then the US private gun ownership per capital leaves theirs trailing far behind in the dust. You cannot imagine just how insane I consider the United States to be when it comes to guns, especially in light of an incessant torrent of gun-related crimes, injuries and death, and I am hardly alone to hold this opinion.
And in the USA you have the most gun death in the western world. The personal right to own a gun is a rather new interpretation of the constitution. The words are copied from the Swiss constitution. The right to own a gun was in both cases combined with the well regulated militia clause. But one day the USA supreme court cut the connection between gun ownership and a well regulated militia. So both Switzerland and the USA have the same clause in the constitution, but interpret that cause very differently. In Switzerland the gun ownership is still connect to the existence of a well regulated Militia. By the way, gun ownership and militia in the USA were not supposed to overthrow the USA government, but rather in times of crisis to defend the USA.
Well put. Certain people in the USA seem to think the Second Amendment allows them to have an armed rebellion if they don't like the democratically elected government.
Why do people get confused by Switzerland. You can own a gun if your not in the militia in Switzerland, 70% of the population aren't in the militia. There is no connection what so ever between the militia and being able to own a gun, none whatsoever. The difference is if your not in the militia the government don't give you a gun you just have to buy it yourself.
@@davedavids57 If you are in the militia, you have a fully automatic assault rifle at home. When you leave the militia you get it changed to semiautomatic. That 70% of the population is not part of the militia has to be a little bit explained. First for women the militia is voluntary. Second you leave the militia after 10 years, or when you continue, latest when you are 50 years old. So 70% of the population, does not mean you have never been in the militia. The main difference between Swiss and USA in regards to gun ownership, are training and strict regulations. The USA gun nuts confuse regulation, with taking away their guns. The second amendment in the USA copies the words in the Swiss constitution, but in Switzerland, the right to own a gun is not separated from the words about the regulated militia. The government can put regulations on gun ownership. Gun ownership is not an absolute right. So you have to follow regulations to be allowed to own a gun and many in Switzerland own guns. I would even assume that the percentage of households with a gun is higher in Switzerland. But gun death of all kinds, accidents, suicides and murders are far below the numbers in the USA. You do not even have to be afraid of the police.
@@mjoelnir1899 Yer I think you're getting a bit confused. Switzerland does that to people (I used to live there). Firstly of the 8.5 million people in Switzerland their are only about 5 million Swiss Citizens that can go in the militia. The rest are permanent residents who also have the same gun rights but can't serve in the militia. It's really hard to become Swiss even if you have lived their your entire life. Temporary residence also have gun rights if they get an ok from their home country. I owned lots of guns in Switzerland there are no training or storage requirements, mental health checks, you don't have to have a reason to purchase. You can keep them loaded at home (as long as they are not near kids) The only thing you can't do is carry them around in the streets for no reason. I don't know how people get so confused. I think things like the US daily show making laws up didn't help to be honest.
Both of my grandfather's own guns, one is a farmer and only uses it to kill predators such as foxes and even that is rare it spends the majority of it's life in its locker
how long does it take to get a gun? in america it depends how far the next gun store is away from you. in germany there is a process(getting license) that takes several month, sometimes more than a year.
From becoming a probationary member of a gun club - a process that usually lasts six months - a being able to APPLY for your FAC [firearms certificate] takes, you guessed it, around six months. However, having become a FULL member of the gun club is necessary to actually applying, as the club secretary is the first of the three referees required to vouch for your suitability and good character. Also required is a note from your doctor to state that you are not on any hallucinatory or incapacitating meds, and do not suffer from any medical reasons why you should not own a firearm. You will also have stated this on your application, BTW. You will also have attended a couple of mandatory courses in the club about firearms in general and safety and handling.
You also need a Section 2 [Shotgun] Certificate for a smoothbore musket, but ANY handgun or rifled firearm replica needs a Section 1 FAC, just like a cartridge-firing firearm.
I beleive most gun owners mis qoute the constitution 2nd amendment. I was told it read "as part of a well organised militia". So it didn't grant private ownership, guns would be stored in the militias armoury. Gun owners also always say "it's in the constitution, so it cannot be changed" forgeting that it is an amendment and what the word amendment means. They also say it is safer in America because they have guns. I watched a documentary comparing UK / US. It said that if the US had the same gun laws as the UK, there would be around 350 gun deaths in US (accounting for population difference). The real figure was in the thousands, I think it was between 10,000 and 20,000. They also say that we are brain washed by our government. Of course the NRA has no influence on their thinking do they ! The NRA represents a multi billion dollar industry. An interesting conclusion of that documentary was that some other countries have nearly as many guns per head but don't go around killing each other (deaths similar to UK). So the US has easy access to guns, ammo and PARANOIA.
A gun isn’t a defensive weapon. The argument that ‘I need it to defend myself’ is ludicrous. If you make it so nobody can have one (unless for valid reasons) then you don’t need to ‘defend’ yourself from anyone, because they don’t have a gun either.
@robertstallard7836 Showing that you are being silly is easy. Compare the gun crime figures per capita in USA to any other advanced countries. If you were right then there would be far less gun crimes in the USA instead of spectacularly higher numbers.
I think the US should ban guns in city limits. That would separate the people who need guns for work. Why would you need a gun in the city. The US has a problem, and i think its time for Mr Yank to grow up a little and make some changes.
Yeah that should work for the criminals who do the majority of gun crime in the cities. Chicago has some of the biggest restrictions on fire arms and has one of the most gun violence in the US. Criminals don’t care about gun free zones.
@@enthusiasticamateur8516 it’s not my gun culture, I’m English. It’s not gun culture, it’s culture. We have have cultures that hack each other up with machetes. We have cultures that stab each other with “zombie knives”. We have cultures that batter each other with baseball bats and clubs. The guns are not the issue, it is human nature. If guns were the issue then Finland, Austria, Norway and Switzerland, to name a few, would also be screwed up. Also, criminals are not part of any gun culture, they’re just criminals.
@@paulharrison8152 The numbers dont lie, gun deaths in the US are crazy, the knife and bat deaths dont compare. I understand its not just the guns that have destroyed America but its the gung ho attitude that comes with it contribute in a massive way.
Important to consider, most gun crime in the US is committed by career criminals. If guns became illegal for law abiding citizens to own. Then 10s of thousands of illegal guns would be smuggled in from Mexico and sold to criminals. These criminals now would have free reign over the good citizens of America because tbey would be armed. What British people don't get is the US isn't some little island nation that is drivin by a homonigized culture. It's about the same population of all of europe and equally if not more diverse. Us americans beleive that as free people we have a right to defend ourselves and our property. To rely on the police for your protection is pure ignorance. The police and the state will protect themselves before they do a private citizen. Truly Free men have a right to protect themselves and their families.
My friend owns guns, he has to keep them in a hidden safe in his home and (as its for leisure purposes at ranges only) his home can be inspected for compliance at any time.
That's insane. I cannot imagine why you guys are ok with this. This has show me your papers, 1940s Germany vibe to it. Thank God we have a Constitution that limits government power and control.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No, it has a sensible, "we don't want dangerous people to have access to firearms" vibe and demonstrably reduces gun-related crime and deaths. That's why we are fine with it.
@mortdewerewolfe691 If you are suggesting the government would nuke their own people, that's a whole other issue, bud. Also love the contradiction. I thought AR 15s were WMDs now? Isn't that what anti gunner call them? 🤔
Americans are playing a game in game theory called the prisoner's dilemma with regards to gun ownership. The simplest form of the game is this: There are two people on trial. Each is offered the opportunity to walk free if they rat out the other, and the other will go to prison for a long time. If neither rats out the other, both get a reduced sentence due to lack of evidence. If both rat out each other, both go to prison for a long time. In the United States: Civilians and criminals are given the right to buy a gun. If the civilians have guns and the criminals don't, the civilians gain and the criminals suffer. If criminals have guns and civilians don't, the civilians suffer and the criminals gain. If neither have guns, everyone is on equal footing. If both have guns, everyone suffers. In both cases, the suboptimal is reached. Both prisoners will rat out the other as they think the other will take the same opportunity and its their only "chance" for security - but ironically, security is not accomplished for either because the combination of both is not optimal. It can be argued to be the least optimal in the case of guns as organised crime will have guns, sure, but they also dont want attention from the law so they tend to stick to infighting between different organisations, and they dont want attention drawn to the places they operate in from petty criminals (this is how the Yakuza has operated in Japan - they crack down on petty crime). By giving everyone guns, petty criminals are much more likely to commit crimes with them instead of just the organised criminals. A former landlord of mine used to be neck deep in the organised crime scene in Australia. He never gave many details but I was able to piece together the sort of stuff he was involved in when he said he needed to travel to Sydney to testify - he was providing evidence in a major criminal investigation for an event that happened decades ago, and it was in the news that these trials were happening so I knew what it was for. From everything he said to me though, he basically said that people wanted to avoid heat from the law when it came to gang rivalries so they would usually keep it between gangs and the enforcers didn't like small-time criminals bringing attention to their areas.
As a brit I think the main issue I have with American gun culture is guns seem to be treated as toys. You constantly see videos of people playing with them. I once saw a clip where a toddler was playing with a real firearm. When confronted she told people to mind their own business and the guy wasn't loaded. Problem is a toddler now sees it as a toy and won't notice if it's loaded.
in Scotland the right to bare arms means wearing a T-shirt in January. 😂
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Bears don't have arms.
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I don't know anybody who owns a gun. I don't know anybody who would want to own a gun. In the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right. In the UK the opposite is true.
In rural places a lot of people have shotguns, on many cases the same shotgun their Granddad would have used
@@ekl2947Also the amount and type of ammunition is very tightly regulated, unlike th US.
Since they outlawed sawn off pump action shotguns..... Well its just taken the fun out of it....... I mean, could you imagine?...... The guy in the post office would just laugh at you...... 🙄
@@Mr-Mop It's the 'sawn off' part that's outlawed. For a pump action (with a magazine capacity higher than 2), you need a firearms license rather than a shotgun permit.
When I was a kid my next-door neighbour had 2 shot guns and 3 hunting rifles well he was a farmer or worked on a farm I grew up in a small village and there was 6 or 7 farm's and they all had guns one farmer I knew had a world war ll hand gun which could fire it wasn't a replica but then again this was pre Dunblane
What is NOT mentioned is the fact that once you have a firearms certificate, the police can visit your home at any time, unannounced, to carry out a check to ensure that you are conforming to the regulations regarding your certificate. Any breach can result in the loss of that right!
Indeed, even if it's out for cleaning the ammunition must be kept separate and any magazines empty. If they showed up, you're cleaning it and have a full magazine then you're in bother
Completely reasonable. It is super invasive, sure, but you are being allowed to own a gun in the UK. Our gun laws are none the worse for such measures. 🫡 🇬🇧
same in norway I think. You have to keep the weapons in a certified locked gun cabinet. And the cabinet should be bolted to the construction in the house.
And that's OK to you guys? Having police check your homes, making you out to be a criminal. That's like 3 constitutional right violations here. Sorry but our government has limits for a reason. That sounds very 1940s Germany to me.
My late father was a policeman. He regularly checked gun licences in our area.
He himself in the army had carried a gun during WW2.
No, healthcare is a right. Owning a gun should be a privilege. Like in any other rational society.
Also, I don’t need a gun for self defence, because no one has a gun to shoot me…
You cannot apply for a gun license in the UK with the idea of self defence. By saying that you are admitting that in a certain scenario you will point it at someone.
there is a specific and special clause within UK Firearms Law(s) for an *_In Special Consideration For Self Defence Needs_* ...a request at be considered by the Poliice as to if given enough reasons, evidence & meeting ostensibly all other requirements, if it is thence so decided that a serious potential threat to life & lives cannot be otherwise be stopped/hindered, then for individual specific cases could be granted acceptable - such for some political exilees, some security agents, royal or state appointed bodyguards etc...
That's about one person per million people. Quite niche! @@razor1uk610
@@razor1uk610 However, over in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, there are around 3500 handguns on issue to civilians - members of the judiciary/police force, politicians and others whose lives are deemed to be threatened by ongoing terrorist activity.
Yes you can, you are leaving out NI were we can own a gun for protection. I myself carried a pistol for many years for my own self defense all totally legal and above board, now I own a .357 magnum Ruger GP100 and Glock 17 for sporting use.
@@royalirish4208 Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are less restrictive in some areas than gun laws in Great Britain due to the Good Friday Agreement, allowing Northern Ireland to govern itself and pass less restrictive laws. Gun laws in Northern Ireland are primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004.
I'm in the UK. I grew up with shotguns and often went grouse and rabbit hunting with my dad. My cousin still owns shotguns and continues to hunt for game. It is not the average but its certainly not unheard of for UK citizens to own guns. The difference is we are not gun zealots - we dont see gun ownership as part of our personality and identity. Guns are tools and like any dangerous tool, they need to be handled and managed as such. In the same way you need to pass a test and have a license to drive a car, a lorry or a forklift, we have similar rules around guns and other potentially dangerous tools.
Aye, plenty of people in the countryside own and use shotguns
Exacto,, en Europa la premisa no es la defensa personal, si no por deporte y caza.
Exactly. The culture is just completely different.
We have to lock our guns up and ammunition up separately in a location inaccessible to children, keep our keys in different locations. If we're transporting them, they stay in a bag at the boot of the car which we cannot leave unattended. We can only transport them if we have a purpose for doing so. In order to obtain a firearm in the first place we need a license which requires police to register it and see where it's going to be kept, the environment it's being kept in and ensure we're aware of how to be safe. We're taught in firearm safety. If we can't be safe with the dangerous weapons then we don't deserve to have them.
But in the US most of the time (different rules for different states) you just need to not have a specific criminal background.
But not for personal defense mostly for hunting or pest control, I used to be a pest control hunter, didn't have a shotgun I had an air rifle, no license needed.
Yeah guns for self defence are just not a thing here, you'll not get a license on that basis. Sport, game or vermin control and historical interest is basically it.
But if you are actively involved in those things and can comply with storage and transport regs you'll find it no problem getting such a license.
But most folk aren't. So they don't have them. Just the crims, who mostly shoot each other, they don't shoot people in robberies (and those who do tend to get the polices full attention and don't last long). They wave them around but rarely use them cos most civilians aren't stupid enough to try to intervene.
The most danger as a civilian would be stray bullets or mistaken identity, in certain very specific and rare specific gang hot spots.
This also makes our police way less jumpy, in general. Heavy handed when they do deploy force? Absolutely. But quick to deploy it? Really not for the most part.
One huge difference which is often glossed over:
‘Defence’ is NOT a valid reason to own a gun in the UK
I didn’t know that but seems you are right and self-defence can be a valid reason in Northern Ireland.
My comment should have stated Great Britain and not the UK.
@robertstallard7836 That's true but in reality rare. Most PPW's are only issued to ex PSNI, ex military etc. You can own normal length handguns in NI (gun ownership being quite high) but the vast majority are for target shooting purposes only.
Self defence is a reason to have a hand gun in Britain. Section 5 of the 1968 firearms act allows the home office to directly issue licences. They won't give figures but it's believed that there are possibly up to 1,000 people in Britain with licences to carry concealed hand guns. Mainly politicians and ex police/military.
If you woke up at 3am with two geezers looking down at you, you might think otherwise.
@@jazzylyn5857Which would lead to the very valid follow up question from the licensing officer, 'What is it you do that makes that a likely scenario?' as they roll their DENIED stamp in the red ink pad ready.
As a Canadian I read the comment stating "in the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right", I agree with this. It is very sad to hear news from America on mass civilian shootings and how disagreements are settled by bringing out a gun , such as the 14 year old boy who shot his sister and then fatally shot his older brother.....it is very very sad!
Health care is a private system because government run health care is historically a bad idea. UK recently pulled the plug of a child despite the parents wanting to get a treatment that had a decent chance of saving the baby. Yet the UK government took the parents to court and pulled the plug anyway.
That sir is not the fault of the gun....that is a failure of society to teach young people, who at 14 should not have access to a firearm unless under supervision and training by a adult, to use a firearm properly. Here in Canada we have a extensive training program, a licencing system that registers LEGAL gun owners and we are daily run through a system every day to ensure we have not done anything wrong. All this and we still have mass shootings, the latest in 2020 inmPictou Nova Scotia where a man called Worth an shot, killed and burned to death 21 people using ilegally obtained firearms, dressed as a RCMP officer and driving around in a doctored up cruiser. All the laws passed since the 70s did nothing to prevent any of this.
Governments response was Bill C-21 further restricting la abiding citizens who commit less than 0.1% of crimes, it illustrates how out of touch governments are. Instead of addressing the real issues both social and economic of why people commit crimes with firearms they take away the rights of law abiding citizens........it is fundamentally wrong.
Add in the 6 year old who shot his teacher when the school was WARNED REPEATEDLY he would do something like that and didn't step in
@@marcleblanc6293putting the potential instantaneous destruction into anyone’s hand, at any age, is a poor decision.
Having no guns means no shootings, certainly no easy ones.
Pretty sure the entirety of Europe has fewer shootings than any one American state every year, but I could be wrong.
@@AngelCakes1997 angel your delusional if you think removing all guns will prevent anyone being killed. They are removing guns from law abiding citizens, not the criminals, not the police and not the military. Guns will always be available to criminals, bombs can easily be made from readily available materials, veichles can be used as weapons to mow down the innocent. If someone is intention harming others banning guns from law abiding citizens will not stop them. Liberal policies do not work, it has been proven over and over again with the worst being Wortman in Nova Scotia who killed 21 people some with ilegallymobtained firearms and others he burned to death in their home.....so explain how Liberal gun policies stopped him? 2 of his guns were obtained illegally from the state's the other from the RCMP officer he killed. How did any of the Liberal gun policies stop him from obtaining a RCMP uniform and a RCMP cruiser? Your blind and sorry to say dumb if you think taking away guns from law abiding citizens will solve any of the problems with the criminal use of firearms. But go ahead and believe the Liberal lies.....lies like assault style firearm, there is no such thing it is a made up term, ar-15s used to commit crimes...there has never been an instance of a ar-15 ever being used to commit a crime in Canada. Long guns like the ones Trudeau is banning are not used by criminals, by far their preferred choice of firearm is a handgun and while sure Bill c-21 is supposedly banning them they are only banned for law abiding registered citizens , criminals will still have them and still use them.
I’m in the UK, don’t know anyone that owns a gun, held a gun, do not know anyone who has fired a gun… I also don’t know anyone learning to use a gun. Have no idea where a gun range would possibly be! I’ve only ever seen armed police in London at major situations and post terror attacks… mostly our police don’t carry guns because we don’t have a huge gun culture in the UK… the knife crime is down to small amounts of communities. We have documentaries about one punch being a killer 😮
Allow me to introduce myself, I have experience shooting both rifles and shotguns in the UK, been to multiple ranges
It’s not very advertised but I did shoot a lot as a kid as part of cadets even getting marksmanship awards
I live in the UK. I'm an NSRA qualified Air Rifle Instructor. I own six air air rifles. I know several people that own shotguns. I have shot various types of shotgun, .22 rimfire rifles, .22 rimfire pistol, .38 Special Revolver, and 9mm pistol. I live a few miles from a shooting club licensed for .22 rimfire, and am a member of an Air Rifle Shooting club. You might know someone like me, but we just don't shout about it, or even talk about it unless the subject comes up, which it rarely does.
I got into shooting air rifles a few years before locldown as there was a range on the farm my wife worked at. When I picked up my first rifle from a gun shop in Newport (South Wales) I was suprised to see how many semi-automatic 5.56mm NATO calibre military style rifles were on sale. They even had a huge 50 cal (half inch) Barrett sniper rifle, which can fire bullets that will penetrate steel plate. Not sure who's buying those.
During lockdown I treated myseelf to a top of the line pre-charged pnumatic air rifle, which is just under the threshold of being considered a firearm. The guy selling it lived on a farm in Gloucestershire & was an ex army armourer. He had a safe with a dozen or so full power rifles of all sorts. I suspect the majority of the 6.5/100 gun owners in the UK are in these rural areas. Most of us live in cities & just don't mix in those social circles.
@@engineeredlifeformI live in Texas I shot 12g ak74 mp5 22lr, 30-30 lever action, mini gun, 9mm rifle and gun, .308 revolver and 22 magnum actually I shoot almost every weekend I own my private gun range in my Texas range but when in the city I’m in the range
This is pretty common in the UK and I was exactly the same until I took up shooting as a hobby. Now I'm the only person my friends know outside of the military that shoots firearms lol!
I am an old lady of almost 80. Up until about seven years ago I had a combined shotgun and firearms licence. I have land to keep my horses and poultry on, and needed to be able to control vermin. It was no problem to get my licence as I had a good reason for it, was 'of good character' and my gp had no concerns about my mental health. I bought an approved gun cabinet and had it installed in a suitable place by a recommended installer, then contacted the police who came to inspect my set-up. All was well and I was issued with my licence then bought the shotgun I'd decided on. A few months later, the FO came to do a spot check but I had a friend visiting with their teenage grandchildren. At the front door I told him this, so he made a comment thanking me loudly for a (non-existent) witness statement about a car accident and said goodbye. He came by again a couple of weeks later.
I gave up shooting gradually, starting about ten years ago, as my eyesight began to deteriorate. Now a pleasant young man shoots vermin on my land about once or twice a week. I gave him written and signed permission to do so, which he had to show to the police in order to be issued with his licence.
They don't do combined section 1 and section 2 certificates , coterminous is what you are referring to.
@@jizzmonkey9679 Thanks for that, I couldn't remember the term - I stopped shooting seven or eight years ago, about the same time as I handed in my driving licence. It is indisputable that eyesight deteriorates and reaction times slow as one ages, and I felt that was the only responsible thing to do as there is, as yet, no known way to avoid old age and what comes with it.
@@Sine-gl9ly a 12 bore tends to kick a bit more with age as well.
@@jizzmonkey9679 That's also very true; unfortunately they all do!
Very reasonable response to simply getting older .Avoid potential accidents/tragedy by simply realizing its not safe anymore . And the same thing with giving up driving .
Cheers to you young lady !!!
Even in those countries with the most permissive gun regulations, the US is the ONLY one where self-defence is accepted as a valid reason for ownership among the general population. Countries, especially western-style democracies, accept that public safety is a rôle the police force fulfills.
We have self defense as valid reason for owning a gun. Of course we have to fulfill some necessary requirements, we can't buy guns just like that. Hello from Czechia.
@@Seticzech who are we?
@@torfinnsrnes6232 Did you read the last sentence? Citizens of Czech republic.
@@Seticzech I believe there are similar rules for Germany, that is, you can get one if you are competent and can point to a reason you need one for self-defense - just saying "I need one for self-defense" doesn't cut it (not least because there might be better ways to deal with the problem).
@@SeticzechFor now anyway. That mass shooting the other day may lead to changes, but I'm honestly not familiar with the state of Czech politics.
To quote Oscar Wilde - the right to bear arms is only marginally less stupid than the right to arm bears!
Wilde was also a socialists and has probably never seen a bear, or a mountain lion, coyote, wolf, etc etc.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad I would be very interested to see any evidence that Wilde was a “socialists” (sic). He was an “aestheticist”. In any case, over a third of the British electorate vote for the Labour party, which openly admits to being socialist. Many Americans I have met accused me of being a communist because I argued in favour of the National Health Service of the UK. I am a retired officer of Her late Majesty’s Armed Forces Reserves. I have fired many weapons and instructed in their safe use over many years service (a total of 48 years). Not once have I felt the need to own a firearm of any kind. The comments about Wilde never having seen bears are irrelevant and specious and have nothing to do with the genuine points being dealt with in this thread.
Lol what 😂@@RickZackExploreOffroad
@@RickZackExploreOffroad He wasn't a socialist.
@@alanbeaumont4848 AAMOF he was, although of the anarcho-syndicalist tendency. He even wrote a treatise entitled ''The Soul of Man Under Socialism''.
Contrary to popular (US) belief ... the right to own a gun is not a symbol of freedom, the real freedom is living in a country where you never think about needing one. In the US, your constitution means that "the government" need to look at reasons why you should NOT have a gun. In the UK, YOU have to convince "the government" that you need one, and you can forget about getting anything "military" that has not been deactivated.
Also, contrary to US belief ... most European countries and other "1st world" countries actually enjoy _more_ freedom than US citizens.
Spoiler: If everyone, including yourself, keeps telling you that you are free ... that is usually a good sign that you're not.
You should watch a video on the Dunblane school massacre to help explain why our gun laws are this way. Tennis player Andy Murray was at the school when it happened. He rarely talks about it but he is understandably upset.
Dunblane is the reason why the UK has such strict gun laws.
In the US, Dunblane is a regular Tuesday.
The difference in gun culture is really quite remarkable. I’m from a fairly rural area (Cornwall), and I’ve only ever seen a gun once or twice in my life (excluding museums or other historical experiences), both owned by farmers who live nearby to me. Other than that I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, anyone who wants to, or anyone who has to. It’s so curious how different the UK experience is to Americans
That said, in the Cornish village I grew up in, the police were called when two men had a cutlass fight. And that was the 1990s.
@richardgale1287 A Cutless, actually fits history, A cutless is still the term they use in Jamaica for the blade that cuts sugarcane. Plus Cornwell has long connections in Jamaica, Cornwall is the name of one of three county's in Jamaica. Also think of that novel, The Jamaica Inn, its also set in Cornwall. So a fight with a cutless seems unsurprising.
@@suzettewilliams1758 Nice observations. Thanks.
@@suzettewilliams1758Cutlasses are still used in the Royal Navy - but only for ceremonial purposes.
It's just the opposite here in the US. I've only met a few people in my area that didn't own a firearm. I myself own about two dozen.
Here they are considered basically a tool. Really no different then a hammer, saw or screwdriver.
The key difference is, most people don't want or feel the need to own a gun
You stupid if you don’t
Best summed up by Rowan Atkinson's character in The Thin Blue Line
"In order to allow someone to own a gun, I must first ask questions as to whether they are a suitable person to own one. One of those questions must be "Does this person wish to own a gun?". If the answer is "Yes" then they are clearly not a suitable person to own a gun."
😂 Most illogical thinking ever. Glad a made up character doesn't make laws.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Its a joke about those with power, if someone wants to run a country then that are clearly not suitable to run a country.
It's illogical to think that is illogical. Maybe you just don't follow the reasoning. @@S1D3W1ND3R015
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Irony and logic not your strong point?
@@northfield3654 If someone wants to own a constitutional right lawfully, they are able to period. Why are you so fearful of lawful people owning guns for defense or recreation? The people you are worried about already can't own guns and do not give a rats behind about your silly little laws.
Owning a gun is not a right. It's a responsibility.
it’s a right in the us
@@Tylerd838 It's also a duty.
Having a gun for "self defence" never made sense to me as an Aussie. It's a long-range _offensive_ weapon, and therefore not something to _defend_ yourself with. It's a deadly weapon that you can easily kill someone with - how is a deadly weapon necessary for DEFENCE? What are the cops even for in the US?
Cops even outside the US are an afterthought bud. 90% of the time they arrive after the mess is already done bro. 😂 They have zero legal obligation to protect you. Atleast here in the US.
Exactly, it doesn’t make sense as a self defence …. It’s a weapon and I guess in the USA it’s who can kill first wins , so strange.
@@turquoisebubbles2042it’s called a ccw where you can carry a small weapon on your body for close range in counters. It has saved tens of if not hundreds of lives
No weapons of any kind are permitted for 'self-defence' in the UK. Whilst you are allowed to defend yourself and if you happen to have a object on you, such as an umbrella, and you use it to defend yourself that is fine, but if you have a specific item to defend yourself it becomes an offensive weapon and therefore illegal. Pepper sprays are also not permitted.
That's why I carry a frozen double decker around with me
(joke)
Surprising how many small shop keepers play baseball, and keep the ball just in case.
@@Rachel_M_ as a older female that lives alone. I keep a rather large metal torch at my front door. Of course it isn't for self defence, it's so I can see if the many lights in my communal hallway lights go out lol
@@samstevens7888 😂 is it one of those big ones that take big D type batteries? I know the type, They're fantastic for lighting up darkened hallways 😉
My granny taught me to always carry nail scissors in my bag. A handy non weapon that anyone might carry. A door key to the eye will also do it.
I have never quite understood why Americans seem to love their guns more than their children. Just because your constitution says you can own a gun, why would that take priority over the trauma your kids go to every time they get on a school bus?
Because criminals, who are armed, don’t care about peoples children.
it's because the politicians do the will of the lobbyists and not the people!
@@DavesFootballChannel Welcome to the world. I assume that you're new here?
@@StormhavenGaming no but thanx anyway!
We own our guns to protect our children.
There is a reason that most so called "mass shootings" (statistically rare events) happen in gun free zones.
As a UK gun owner, the process is quite easy. If everything checks out, you'll be granted a certificate allowing you to use and own firearms up to the caliber supported by the club you're a member of. You can also apply for variations, so if you have a farmer friend who wishes to allow you to shoot on their land, the police will visit the land and asses what calibers are safe to shoot. Once they have a signed letter from the land owner, they can grant the variation and you can now own the calibers permitted for use on that land. Variations cost about £20, so it's not too bad. We also don't need to send forms off to be given approval for suppressors. We just list them on our licence and we're good to go. All of mine have them because nobody wants to have to wear hearing protection.
Pre-covid, the club I was a member of allowed up to .50 bmg. Covid put them out of business though. So now I shoot on a farmer friends land and shoot .223 mainly out of a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 which has a sub-MOA guarantee. Beautiful rifle. We have quite a few rifles from the likes of Savage Arms too which are brilliant rifles. Just wish my safe was big enough to hold more rifles 😂
if only Americans could get this through their apparently thicker than average skulls
Why do you need a gun? If the answer is for self-defense, your permit is instantly denied. In the UK.
Long time watcher, first time commenter.
As a follow up to this video, look up the dumblaine school shooting (tennis players Andy Murray, and his brother were at the school at that time) this one incident brought out an entire ban on side arms in the UK. There was a short amnesty for people to hand in guns, then it became illegal for anyone in the UK to hold or own a side arm
"I want a gun for 'self-protection'." This would make you ineligible for consideration because it is an admission that, under certain circumstances, you would be prepared to point it at another person.
Absolutely correct, if you mention this to the police then you'll be quietly refused permission for owning anything other than maybe a car. Even if you owned an air rifle they'd raise an eyebrow, after that.
So in other words your government are afraid of the wrong people. Why are you so afraid of lawful people using the most effective tool to protect themselves
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No, They see somebody who is willing to kill, for almost any reason, as a danger to the general public.
How's that working out for you?@@S1D3W1ND3R015
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Dude that's literally what the police are meant to be for.
That owning a gun is considered a right in America goes a long way to explaining why the country is in such a mess.
I would prefer the explanation that Europe exported all its weirdos, religious zealots etc and they've inbred for the past 250 years.
😂 20th century alone validated the 2nd amendment. Governments are responsible for over 100,000,000 peoples deaths in the last 100 years alone promising safety and security in place of individual freedoms. Keep in mind we were founded by random citizens coming together with their own Arms fighting the most powerful empire in the world at the time.
Well the fantatics that obsess over the 2nd Amendment believe that they and their little Beretta or AR-15 are going to stop the US military from taking away their rights.
they still think its the wild west
@paulmilner8452 Wild west had less gun crime unironically. Yet no virtually no laws. Unless you were of color. Yet you guys never want to talk about gun laws being historically racist.
My dad owned a shotgun for decades. To this day I still have no idea where he stored it or the ammo even though he no longer has it. That toddlers in the US accidentally shoot their parents every so often is unfathomable to me, as is the idea that you can freely own and carry in public a weapon that you do not need to prove any competence of use...
It is usually toddlers in houses where owning an illegal firearm is somewhere around halfway down in terms of what all illegal activity is going on in there. Would be nice to see statistics broken down in this manner
@@jamesgornall5731 Not judging from news reports from the US on the subject. Often seems to be an irresponsible parent who keeps it in the bedside table drawer with bullets in for good measure.
Dad had a 22 rifle (originally UK - used for shooting rabbits and pigeons during the war - before moving to NZ) and the ammo was in the dressing table drawer, the rifle was up in the loft = wrapped to keep it clean and protected) but I've no idea where the bolt was kept. I do remember dad searching a couple of times because he forgot where he had hidden it (he had his own ''shooting range'' out on some land he owned in the country and would go shooting once a year or so). This was in the days before gun safes were required. My neighbour had one as well, the rifle was in the garage but I've no idea where the ammo or bolt were but they were definitely kept well apart and hidden. It was just common sense (and quite possibly a legal requirement though I don't know, I do know they had a fight every time they gun licences were renewed but dad often also did vermin shooting with someone from work and I suspect that swung the need for a licence. The rats on the tips were too big for an air rifle.
@@MayYourGodGoWithYou ah, good old days, need separate rifle and ammunition safes
The first I knew about my dad’s guns was when my mum surrendered them to the police after he died. That’s when I discovered we had a secure gun cabinet under the stairs!
Gun homicides per year per 100,000 people USA: 4.46
Gun homicides per year per 100,000 people UK: 0.02
It’s really only farmers and sportsmen that own guns. Self defence is never a reason to own a gun. You would be arrested if you shot an intruder.
My secret pleasure is getting into debates about guns with americans on gun nut channels. They get so triggered when you present them with facts and logic. All they can parrot back is propaganda, brainwashing, and flat out lies.
Haha, too right 👍🇬🇧
@@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking I've subbed to your channel. Your air rifles are cool!
@@sampeeps3371 Thanks, that means a lot 👍
Me too 😁 have you ever pointed out our children have a much higher school survival rate? They don't like that at all 😂
@@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking fancy seeing you here, been subbed for a few months. I have a nice little hatsan break barrel, willow stock, for plinking and ratting.
Not the most expensive, but good enough for my purposes
At my work we keep being spammed by a US gun shop offering to sell us ammo. As none of us have gun licences, I keep wanting to reply to them to point out they are trying to get us to break U.K. law. I suspect they have never thought of it.
Probably a bot.
That said I get a lot of spam concerning ammo sales. Since I buy ammunition in bulk, usually 1,000 rounds at a time, I don't mind it. I'm always looking for a good deal.
UK Population is over 67 million, NOT the 56 million quoted. The video creator seems to be making the all-too-common mistake of confusing England (56 million) and the UK.
is that really the most important aspect of the video for you?
@@DavesFootballChannelGrow up. Is deriding my (correct) observation really so important to you? Or relevant to anything? I have made three further posts on this thread, so I think the answer is quite clear, sunshine.
@@adriangoodrich4306 awww! does baby want a hug lol!
It's an error, how many other errors might there be in the video?@@DavesFootballChannel
@@DavesFootballChannel Maybe you do? You seem quite the sort. ps. Derision is the last refuge of those who have made total pillocks of themselves. As you have.
As a UK gun owner i have a small collection of classic shotguns. They're not impossible to get but the system does make it difficult to get them. It's also VERY easy to loose your licence and have your guns seized. For instance in the states from what I understand you can literally make your own improvised firearm for personal use. Here that'll land you a 10 stretch.
I don't see how a murder weapon is connected to self-defense. I took self-defense classes and not once were we ever taught to actually take a life.
So how's that right to bear arms going? 630 mass shootings in the USA this year, in the UK we have had 8 since 2020. Have to say making it a privilege seems to be working over here.
If only the kids at columbine n sandy hook had a way to defend themselves... Oh wait a minute they did but the right to bare arms was useless
We've had 8? I'm surprised there have been so many. We're they all to do with gangs? All in London?
@@jamesgornall5731 He's correct, 8 since 2020. 6 of those had no fatalities (but multiple people injured), one had 1 fatality and 4 injured (Liverpool). The worst was Plymouth, 6 dead (including the gunman) and 2 injured. They probably wouldn't make the local news in the USA.
@@jacklurcher5813 it's pretty good going really
@@andrewbragg504because they are fucking children smh
What I do not understand is why children in US also have guns. I remember seeing a photograph of a politician with his wife and children standing in front of their Christmas tree and every single child was holding a large gun and so were their parents. I think that is obscene.
Me too, I saw the same picture, on a Christmas card for crying out loud .
Propaganda. You cannot legally own or buy a rifle or shotgun till 18. Then 21 for handguns. The pictures you see are adult supervision training or safety. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching your kids proper gun safety and practice while supervising them.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Well I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, and I hope I never do. As for sending out Christmas cards with that photograph on the front, I think it’s appalling. The Christmas message is about peace on Earth and good will to all men.
Maybe if you were born and raised here you would understand
when you put around 320 million people all from wildly different backgrounds and cultures into a single country, things can tend to escalate rapidly.
I would love to explain to you why it is completely appropriate to own a gun in the US, but that would take a while.
I was given my first gun at 5 years old and taught gun safety and responsibility from the get go .
A point that was glossed over in this video was that in Great Britain 'self defence' is NOT considered a legitimate reason to own a firearm, which is one of the reasons a lot of US citizens cite as to why they need a weapon.
People often say that we may not have a gun problem, but we have a knife problem. This is true- but the US has considerably more knife crimes per head of population than the UK, in addition to their gun crime statistics!
No mass knifings though.
@@nolajoy7759
You must be too young to remember nursery teacher Lisa Potts who defended the children she was looking after from a viscous and indiscriminate machete attack in Wolverhampton in 1996. She has a page on Wikipedia, if you want to know more.
@@jerry2357 No I am not too young, and do remember that tragedy and her bravery well. As someone who worked with young children this felt very close to home. Of course I wasn't suggesting that we don't have a knife problem, just stating the fact that the US has worse statistics than us on this as well as fun crime.
The last school shooting in the UK was in 1996 in Scotland. It was so long ago that British tennis player Andy Murray was a student there at the time. Thankfully he was in a different room, so wasn’t hurt.
But it's not a right in nearly every country on earth.
The general consensus is that guns are only in mass circulation in the event of civil war, in any country (the UK is no specific exception to this).
Canada, Switzerland places like that many people own guns, in Switzerland it was law that people had to have one when they left the army after national service
It's interesting that the right to gun ownership is written into the constitution (if only as an amendment) and slavery (in prison) is specifically allowed.
That amendment was more to allow states to have their own militias than to have everyone armed. For some reason it was interrupted the other way.
Except,unless you are a convicted felon,in which case you have the right to own a firearm removed. The fear of Britain removing colonists weapons was one of the given reasons for the revolution, they tended to shoot people and start wars,then complain when taxes needed to be raised to pay for the war. It's the reason gun ownership was written into the constitution. In effect what it means is that Americans are constantly on the verge of revolution,both with their government and each other.
@@2727rogers
"For some reason it was interrupted the other way"
The reason is 1 miilion percent clear when you realise the firearms industry makes a lot of money on it and uses a significant portion of it to protect their interests in Washington DC.
Without those profit margins the industry flounders and the support for the amendments interpretation dies a horrible death.
What needs to happen is someone doing to the firearms industry what was done to the British slave trade.
Make a law that does not directly affect it, but makes it either so utterly unprofitable, or impactical that the industry can no longer support their lobbying efforts.
@@mnomadvfx hat would be a great idea but thanks to Citizen United that would be hard to to. Remember in the USA corporations are citizens as well. What a stupid decision that was for sure.
prison is not slavery
Long may it continue, we in the UK can't understand why gun ownership is so important to Americans, so many mass shootings, no one bats an eylid ............ senseless 🤨
America hates children and shopping its why they are happy to keep letting kids being killed, i dont realy like kids but im not wanting a gun.
So, gangs exist and criminals don't obey laws.
Most mass shootings in the US are gang violence, we aren't an island like GB or Japan, and we clearly have next to no border security on the border with a country mostly run by cartels..
Murders happen in less than a minute, and police are several minutes to an hour away.
Why are you so puzzled by Americans care about the right and ability to defend ourselves??
Im a 32 years old guy based in South Africa, i have not handled a real gun in my life.
The point IS that when the Constitution was written, the most powerful gun you could get was a musket. Muzzle-loading, black-powder using and THREE shots per minute.
Who the hell NEEDS a gun that can fire 100 rounds a minute anyway? The problem is that you Americans have become so beholden to them and enthralled by them that, despite more mass shootings per year than there are DAYS, you just can't seem to do without them (NOTE: YES you CAN). And do NOT give me that crap of "Well, if someone had a gun they could have taken the shooter out!" - if NOBODY had guns then those who were killed with them would still be alive. I wonder whether your opinion would change at all if one of YOUR children was killed with a gun.
Having a gun does NOT give you freedom. True freedom is being able to walk down ANY street at ANY time and NOT need them. And never forget that although it is written down, Laws CAN be changed or repealed. It has happened at least 3 times before.
The constitution was written so that a tyrannical government couldn’t take control and counldnt take your guns
@@angharaddenby3389 read the 2008 gun case . The Supreme Court seems to disagree with you on that one
When I was going to visit New York, I told my eldest sister I would have to get a gun for protection. She was horrified and said,Ohh! Sal,do be careful. 🤣🤣On a more serious note,I have never known or met anyone here with a gun,apart from exceptions like local Welsh farmers,to protect their livestock from such as foxes. Even then,they never discuss or display them. I can only imagine knowing that anywhere you go over there has a strong potential for being in the wrong place at the wrong time is scary ,to put it mildly.I do fully understand why homeowners need guns as protection from intruders though.. One of the most disturbing things I have seen on footage,is the way the police don’t stop when taking down a suspect,but just keep shooting until they are dead. Now that is terrifying.Where do you draw the line?! Thank god to live over here
I have never once in my 52 years of life ever felt the need for a gun in Britain, I don't hunt for my food. I go to the shops. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody and I have never felt threatened enough to warrant owning a gun.
I've seen videos of Americans who seem to be obsessed with guns. I can only think it's some kind of a power trip. Maybe they need a gun to make themselves feel strong? Or maybe they're just so paranoid that they feel they need a gun.
There aren't many legitimate reasons for gun ownership in the UK. Pest control in rural areas and target shooting are the main ones.
In fairness to our American friends, the violent crime statistics suggest that it isn't just paranoia!
And you have completely the wrong mindset to own a gun. In the UK, as detailed in the video, owning a gun is only for hunting or recreational purposes, NEVER self defense.
@@engineeredlifeformHow many school shootings have there being in America??? How many people die or are wounded from gunshot wounds in America 🤔.... I don't think I need to say anything else
@@coffeecolic5799 You shouldn't have said anything. The video is about gun ownership in the UK. The person that started this thread, is in the UK. I am in the UK. We aren't talking about US gun ownership, approving of it, promoting it or anything like that. I myself am quite critical of it, so take your rant elsewhere.
lol I did start it! I'm replying to you @@engineeredlifeform ua-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f602.pngua-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f602.png
I wouldn’t bet against there being more gun deaths not reported per year in USA is more than the entire amount of gun deaths ever recorded in the UK
Yes it would be, but other countries with much less restrictive gun laws have similar homicide rates as we
The rate of gun deaths (per million) in the US caused by the police is greater than the total caused by anyone in the UK
Well 1. Our gun deaths are going down. Despite record sales. 2. Most of our gun deaths are suicides. 3. Most of our actual gun homicides or violent deaths are gang related inner city crime. Since we have over 33,000 recognized gangs and over 1,000,000 members. While UK has like 5. And like 3000 or 4000 members.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 There are more school shootings than days of the year in the US and why exactly do you think that the US has more of a gang problem, perhaps its the easy access to firearms and high poverty/low education levels, the USA is a First World/Third World country and has been for some time.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Whilst deaths by violence in the US remain between 5 and 30 times that of other developed countries all of which also have gangs and other social problems, your arguments that guns reduce violence are demonstrably false. Once the rate in the US falls appreciably below other countries, than maybe you would be in a position to comment.
Gun ownership is not a right, its a privilege. A right is something EVERYONE should have access to. There are many, MANY people who should NOT have access to guns.
@robertstallard7836 driving a car is also a privilege. Very few people NEED to drive a car. It certainly is beneficial to many (some work commutes would be hellish without one). But there are usually other options. Although the technical jargon may be different when written in law, I suppose.
@robertstallard7836 Care to explain how something can be a RIGHT when there are all kinds of qualifiers?
How many qualifiers are their for the right to breath, to work, etc
*STARE*
@robertstallard7836 Cheers for the clarifications.
So the point being that having a gun isn't an absolute right, not even in the USA.
@robertstallard7836 In some states of the USA you don't even have to be 18 to buy a rifle.
In some states you don't need a license.
If bought on a gun fair or from a private person you don't get any background checks.
And in lots of cases the background check comes down to someone hopefully typing in the name correctly in a database that is incomplete, not up to date and that may or may not have the data from other states.
In some states you don't need even a license for concealed carry.
In some states you can *legally* go walking or even shopping while openly having a gun on you, be it a gun in a holster or even a rifle/shotgun slung on your back.
And don't get me started about no official safety instructions or training is needed or that you pretty much can buy all the guns and all the ammo that you can afford with no one questioning it or keeping track of it.
So tell me again how the USA gun laws aren't that different with Europe let alone the UK?
To the deaths comparison. 2022. UK had 28 firearm deaths. USA had 48,830.
Even allowing for the 6x greater population in the USA you are 250x more likely to be killed by a gun in the USA than the UK.
You are 18x more likely to be a homicide victim in the USA than UK regardless of weapon type.
Imagine that. 17 out of 18 homicides. Families destroyed. Homes wrecked. Prisons filled. Don't happen in the UK. It's fair to say you are 18x safer in regards to homicide in the UK than the USA. A difference that is just VAST. A gulf in personal safety that beggars belief (Again that is accounting for population differences)
Then there are gun related accidental deaths. We get 1 every 5 years in the UK. It's one every 27 days in the USA. 65x greater
Everyone I know who owns a gun ( I live in an area between a major city and the countryside and know a lot of farmers. So this is a sample of maybe 30 gun owners?) Was interviewed, provided references, had a house visit (mostly to check storage - at least that's what the official says... I suspect they check other things as well) All but one had to provide a reference from their GP who performed a mental wellness check. Most who have owned guns for 5 years or mare have had a none scheduled visit to check compliance.
The most common fire arm law that is broken in the UK... is owning a gun without a license.
It isn't using it illegally. It's owning it illegally.
Actually owning a gun is very easy in the UK if you have a legitimate reason (Self defence is not a legitimate reason). I owned a gun from 16 till about 19 (I had to surrender the firearm when I went to university due to letting my club membership expire). No one stormed my front door, I was sent a letter and given time to resolve to issue (I decided to sell the firearm back to a local store).
You can own a gun for self defence in the UK
@@georgebarnes8163You can’t though. Doesn’t take too much time to simply look it up.
certainly can, PPW licences are issued by the Home secretary, look it up under section 5@@Deano-Dron81
@@Deano-Dron81 You can in Northern Ireland, for obvious reasons. Northern Ireland is part of the UK so he is technically right. You can't in Great Britain.
@@MEXlC075 👍
What kind of messed up country do you need a gun for self protection?
It is a Symbiotic relationship between media and the gun manufacturers in the US. The media sells fear porn harder than just about any other country in the world, that causes fear, fear causes people to go out and buy guns. More guns means more people get shot. The media conflates the issue for clickbait money, people get scared and buy more guns. That's my assessment from watching it as a neighbor for about 40 years now.
@NorsemanPatriot then you need to work on improving the effectiveness and efficiency of your police force.
@NorsemanPatriot I have lived in Wales for many years, beeen lucky enough to have travelled world wide and have lived in South East Asia for ten years. I can honestly say the only time I ever felt unsafe was during my time in New York. It felt like living in a third world developimg nation.
The kind of country where there are 153 school shootings per year. The kind of country where people carry a gun to do grocery shopping.
My country Northern Ireland, UK😂 Aye we can own guns for personal protection and even conceal carry hanguns thanks to terrorism we have better gun laws than the rest of the UK pity we can't own semi autos over .22lr and have a 1000 round restriction per calibre other wise I will get me a nice SLR
Owning a gun for self defence isn't necessary over here as chances are the person attacking you doesn't have one either.
A knife within 21 feet is also a certain death fate, especially if you are not trained. Thus is why a gun you legally own and carry for defense is a more effective tool.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 you're more likely to die from a bullet that a knife. Also, you can run from somebody with a knife. Try outrunning a bullet. True freedom is not needing a gun.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 ''He has a knife, I must have a gun''? Burglar ''He has a gun, I'd better have one n shoot first''. It's insane to think that way.
I'm in the UK. My husband and I were target pistol shooters until they were banned (we were also active in the protests against banning them), so I know a little about the topic. To obtain our licences, as well as going through the personal vetting process described here, we also had to prove membership of a recognised pistol club. The club we belonged to owned both an indoor and an outdoor range, where we went to shoot.
"Personal protection" is absolutely NOT considered a good reason for owning a gun, and if you mention this phrase, you will instantly be considered unfit to hold a firearms licence. It suggests that you may have some kind of fantasies about shooting people.
A gun owner must store all firearms and ammunition in a secure, fireproof locked cabinet which is out of sight. We had to buy a very heavy metal gun safe which was bolted to the wall of the house in an obscure corner of the top floor, with a main section for the pistols and a separately locked compartment for ammo, and this setup was inspected by firearms officers as part of approving the licence. (No pistols there now, obviously, but at least it's still a useful document safe.) Guns are allowed out of the safe only while being used or maintained. While being transported anywhere they must be in secure, inconspicuous cases.
Showing a firearm to any unlicensed person, or even showing them where they're stored, is grounds for immediate loss of your licence. Once while I was away at a job training course and my husband was out shopping, the house was burgled. Of course he phoned the police, and when he said "we're target shooters and there are guns in the house", they were round in no time flat! By the time they arrived, he had checked the gun safe, and the burglars hadn't penetrated that far into the house. When the police came, he said he'd checked and the guns were OK. They still wanted to see them. "Are you firearms officers? Do you have a firearms licence?" Neither of them did. "Then I'm not even allowed to tell you where the safe is." They were very disappointed.
NI is the only part of the U.K. where you can hold a handgun for self defence. You do need to have evidence that you are at risk which the PSNI can verify or they will possibly contact you that you are under threat and offer you the opportunity to have a firearm.
@@TheGiff7 Not quite, a very very few people in the mainland hold a PPW license, Personal Protection License, an old friend of mine had one, due to their former job in the military.
For me, if I need to own a gun to feel safe in society, Id like to move away from that place. That kind of mentality sounds very dystopian for me.
Aussie here, our gun laws are similar to the UK, thank goodness. I’m a grandmother and have never seen a real gun in my life.
If you've seen a police officer, you have. Weird how your country still needs guns for police. I thought there was no threat?
@@S1D3W1ND3R015
I’ve seen a very few police officers, honestly, always had a friendly chat and sometimes a joke and a smile with them. I’ve seen their holsters, but have never seen a real gun outside of a holster in my life.
Obviously you have never hunted or needed to protect yourself, your loved ones, or your property from predators. Either the two or four legged variety.
@bernadettelanders7306 So, your comment is still wrong. You need to edit it then
@@RickZackExploreOffroad
Exactly. I or any of my family have ever hunted animals. I’ve never had a burglar. Honestly growing up our back door was never locked, why I don’t know, never thought about it growing up and we were never burgled. Lucky, probably. But can’t think of other neighbours being burgled. I know guns exist people with a license and pretty sure some people have them with no license. There’s crime here of course in Australia. I didn’t live a sheltered life. I went to high school via bus and train. As a teenager when I got my license I went out to the pub, friends, movies in the city. I had my bag ripped out of my hand once walking by a teenager on bike, A lady driving by saw I was distressed asked why, and drove and got my bag back. I’ve been on holidays local and interstate. Guess I’m lucky, I don’t know, I’ve never seen any real violence personally in my life.
You cannot own a gun for self defence in the UK. You would go to jail for murder or attempted murder if you used it on someone.
Not if you were actually defending yourself against a reasonable threat to your life.
@@iapetusmccool Define "reasonable threat"
@@iapetusmccooli don't think it's reasonable threat, it's reasonable force with your response to the threat. Reasonable force would rarely include use of a gun I think - I'm sure that would be over the top.
I guess it could do but can't think of a case where it's happened.
So if you defended yourself from a violent attackers you get charged. I'm so glad I live where a man can defend himself, which self-preservation is a natural right and law.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No. If you use excessive force to defend yourself you get charged. Since it is incredibly unlikely that your attackers will have guns, it is incredibly unlikely that using a gun against them could be considered a reasonable response.
There is this new thing that you might want to check out. It's called nuance.
😅Our gun ownership has always been restricted to some extent but in 1996 a gunman walked tnto a Primary School (7 to 11 years) and shot and killed one teacher and 16 children, before shooting himself. I believe that Andy Murray, the tennis player , was a pupil at the school but not involved with the shooting. After this massacre, our gun laws were toughened up a lot.
5 to 11
I’m perfectly fine with owning a gun is a right in the United States. As long as the Atlantic Ocean is between this second amendment enthusiasts and my family and myself.
the problem at the moment in the states is gun ownership and firearms laws have become massivly politicised,until that changes nothing else about them will.
Please take a look at a video about the dunblane massacre, I was 6 at the time and still remember how devastating it was. This is the reason our gun laws are as they are. I dread to think how many of these massacres would have happened in the uk had we not taken the steps we did, when we did.
I was Actively scrolling his msgs hoping I'd see this and not be the one to bring it up.
You know massacres can happen even when you don’t have guns. For example, the stabbings in the school in Ireland.
Well, it;s not *the* reason. Restrictions on long guns came in after Hungerford.
Appreciate your point, but in the US there have been 559 mass shootings in 2023. No other country is even close, even when considering other weapons. Gun culture is the problem. My simplistic overview of the underlying issue in the uk is more around social and community services diminishing over the last 13 years of Tory government.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15tit was both. Hungerford led to the ban on semiautomatics. Dunblane led to the ban on handguns.
I've been trying to explain this to people for so long. It's always the other brits that tell me I'm wrong. Honestly most of the people over here actually believe they are illegal unless you are a famer. I actually had someone say that if guns were in any way legal then the hoodie gangsters would be able to get them. That's the level of intelligence I'm going up against sometimes 😩
It is a very healthy misconception.
Surprising it is as many as 6.5 guns per 100 people. Thinking again most of that must be multiple ownership. I am 47 & have only seen one gun in my life-an old WW2 Bren Rifle when helping to clear out an elderly family friends house in the late 1980's. Don't think I have ever met anybody who actually owns a gun or goes target shooting.
1 person multiple guns, my brother in law has 6 different shotguns and 4 different kind of rifles, which he has to constantly use to a certain amount in order to keep the licence for each as if they're not being used them he does not need them, as far as it was explained to me by him
There's 120 guns per 100 people. We have over 400,000,000 guns and 335,000,000 people. Yet our gun homicides this year are 18,000 (mostly gang related) and it's trending downward despite record sales. Guns used for bad purposes vs the guns in circulation is a percent of a percent of a percent. Like 0.0020% of our guns are used to kill.
Bren rifle? Bren rifle was introduced in 2006. I think you mean a Bren LMG.(light machine gun)
@@elemar5 Most likely-I know it was used in WW2. My knowledge of guns is pretty much zero. Just remember it looked like a rifle to me when I was 11/12 years old.
Own a gun for self defence??????????????? Um????not necessary. 95% of the UK we feel pretty safe!!!!
In the other 5%..... we don't walk there in the dark... avoid the area!
@@pamelsims2068why would you avoid those areas
Guns are never allowed for self-defence in the UK. Sport, or hunting, yes. Self-defence, NO! While that may seem antithetical to the American mindset, as a consequence, far less people are victim to fatal crimes.
In fact no weapons are allowed for self defence, outside of the police, where they're generally only used as a last resort (crazies and terrorists take note though, armed police will drop you before you know what happened).
Considering what we now know about armed police ( GMP, West Mids, the Met ) I don't think even they'll exist in ten years. Most armed cops are egoists on a power trip ( & I've known some of them personally ).
The population of the UK is around 68 million, not 56 million.
Sounds like they using the figures for England and Wales.
The reply about Switzerland - I'm aware of that situation (I have friends there and I have seen their firearm).
It was designed as national defence, not civil defence against one another.
World wide, firearms are essentially the necessity of a country's army.
You can shoot from a distance without the target seeing you.
That makes a firearm an OFFensive weapon, not a DEFensive weapon.
And it's for that reason that access to firearms is tightly controlled, it's not because anyone wants to suppress your rights of self protection.
There are lots of alternative ways of protecting yourself.
It is my understanding that they are also issued a limited amount of ammunition and have to account for every shot, although that may be out of date by now.
@@StormhavenGaming Switzerland doesn't have ammo restrictions. Some US journalists got confused because you can't take government ammo home. But of course you can just go to a gun shop or mail order as much non government ammo as you want.
Many many guns in Switzerland aren't even registered (most pre WW2 swiss rifles for instance) let alone heavily restricted. I lived in Switzerland, why do people (especially US journalists) make up laws. You can literally just look them up. People seem to totally forget in Switzerland if you are a man who is a Swiss citizen you have to go in the army and they give you a rifle. But the 70% of the population who aren't men or Swiss citizens can still buy guns and ammo. More types of guns than you can in the States. With just a simple police background check paper (they don't have a database like the states).
My American cousin got a pink AR15 for her birthday, another year she got a handgun she could conceal down her boot. Can’t imagine living my life so constantly in fear!
I can't imagine living in a society where not only the people are frightened of a tool but their own government is frightened of the prople owning that tool.
Sad really.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad . An AR15 is crap for hunting and crap for self defence. It’s also not going to stop a bunch of fighter jets or Abrams tanks if you’re worried about your government.
@@RickZackExploreOffroadWhy would we have to own one??? What on earth would I do with a gun? Shoot seagulls? 🤔
@@susanmullen5105 Then don't own one if you feel you have no need or desire to own one. Pretty simple really. Of course as the old saying goes "it's better have one and not need it then to need one and not have it".
Since I prefer organic free ranging protein, a firearm is pretty handy.
I also live in a area where people are not at the top of the food chain. They come in very handy if one is facing a mountain lion, brown bear, wolves or coyotes.
I also spend a lot of time in wilderness areas, for up to 2 weeks at a time, and a firearm is a basic survival tool. No less valuable then a first aid kit.or an emergency shelter.
Then of course not all predators walk on four legs. At least in the real world.
More then half of the two dozen or so firearms I own I have because of their historical value, uniqueness, or sentimental value. For example I don't "need" a 1841 .50 Cal Hawkins Buffalo Gun or a 1866 Winchester "Yellow Boy". But I like them.. My great granddad's 1878 12 Ga shotgun has no practical purpose.
Firearms are just tools, nothing more. Like all tools some are some are better suited for specific tasks.
I went to visit cousins in the states a few years back. One of them, proudly, showed me his collection of substitute penises (guns) and started talking about them as if they had feelings. I just walked out the room. The moron had 6 handguns, 3 AR15’s and I have know idea how many bullets. Apparently it’s for “self-protection”; the guy is a physiotherapist… what enemies does he think he has??
If you say "its for self defence" you will be refused simply for the reason that you would use the firearm if you felt threatened. If no one has a firearm then no one is threatened therefore everyone is safe. I am 53 and in my life i have only seen firearms in the airport, at the queens funeral, and pheasant shooting. I am therefore relaxed my children can go to school college or cities and are veey unlikely to be shot.
Gun licences for self defence are issued by the UK Home Office under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act.
@@davedavids57 unless you are a firearms officer in the police or royal security you will not get far. The law of self defence in the UK is very strict that you need to prove this was in proportion to the threat. There are farmers in jail because their farm or house was broken into they used their shotgun, then argued this was self defence and then lost. I suggest you read the act and look for self defence, but you need to also understand that the inspecting officers do not issue liciences to the general public for self defence. It is likely to count against you.
I won't bang on about my opinion MUCH,
But USA has more gun deaths in ONE day than we have in a year.
Kinda obvious that more guns means more deaths.
During the ten years on the Vietnam war ,more died from guns back home within America then died in the ten year war.
We used to have guns, people had assault rifles but after two mass shooting they first took away AKs and the like then after Dublane that banned hand guns.
And now it's all kool.
Some criminals are armed but the sentence for having a gun is years.
And now with knives any fixed blade or over three inches can get u 3 years in jail.
But as this video says you have small calibre target shooters and shot gun owners.
But incredibly hard to get a licence.
More chance living in the sticks on a farm.
BTW our cops are actually often armed or there's rapid ARV response in every town.
More since the war on terror.
BUT in my opinion the USA due to 2nd amendment won't ever change.
But you do need to do something with 20,000 deaths a year and trigger happy cops.
I've been to the USA but didn't fire guns but actually did in Canada and military service.
But that's part of life and unless it's a war you book them out have range time and book them back with check after check.
When I look at USA shootings and idiots saying arm teachers I just think madness.
Then the guy in Vegas who went back and forth over days bringing bag's of guns.
You could start with a law of no guns in public building like hotels.
Just a thought.
I'm happy here in the UK knowing that in the rare chance a cop stops me that I don't have to ask permission to breath 🤔 or worry that if I move for my glove box I might get shot.
Daniel Shaver got wasted for trying to pull his jeans up 😮🤔✌️
One key point to understand: in the UK even if you are allowed to own a gun it is still ILLEGAL to carry it in public or to keep it for home defence. It must be locked away separate from its ammo. If you were to shoot someone pleading self defence would get you absolutely nowhere.
No you can have a gun for self defence - you have to apply directly to the Home office - the licence is issue under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. It's believed up to 1,000 people in England carry a concealed hand gun. Mainly politicians, ex police/military. There is even a form on the Home Office website. Although I suspect you may need good reason!!
One of the owners of a business I worked for lived on and owned a farm out in the moors. He kept a shotgun, for dealing with rabbits and vermin. He used to ask me to sign his License renewal applications as a referee - as I was a qualified professional allegedly of good character and standing, or whatever. I saw from the forms that the renewal process (let alone the initial granting) was far from straightforward, with plenty of conditions!
The two elements he missed out in the video is a license is required to buy ammunition and the license will specify the number, types and calibre of guns that can be owned. There is also a requirement to store ammunition in a separated locked container and it is an offence to have a loaded gun outside a designated firing area, e.g. a gun club, this restriction includes your own home.
It is amazing in USA is ,, right to own the gun...but is privilege to have medical care...,, well done America you have to have everything upside down....
From my pov people in the US seem to think they're still living in the 1600s in the wild west. I honestly can't understand how any government (and honestly how any citizen) can possibly think that it's normal to not only give everyone access to weapons that are only used by soldiers in war zones anywhere else, but to have practically 0 checks on whether that person may be dangerous and what they're likely to do with that weapon! It's just ridiculous. Having a gun you don't really understand how to use and store safely and have no real understanding what are the very real consequences of using it is irresponsible and dangerous. The "oh i just want one for self protection and hope I'll never have to use it" reason is ridiculous. You don't live in a war zone, and the odds of you being able to draw your gun on someone who is already attacking you with a gun before they kill you are extremely small. Indeed even if you're attacked with a knife you're not very likely to be able to protect yourself in time, and not be disarmed by the attacker and have your gun used against you. The only way you get to defend yourself is if you're drawing first, and that makes you the aggressor. Especially since someone who has a gun but doesn't regularly trains to use it is far less likely to have the necessary presence of mind to use it responsibly and calmly and not just kill someone in rage or panic. A gun is not a toy and just reacting without thinking while holding a gun can only cause problems and serious injuries. But everyone in the US is completely desensitized to that, gun violence is so rampant that most people can't even realize the consequences anymore until it's too late. It's not like after you've killed somebody you can fix it, or get over the trauma just like that! And incredibly not even the police is trained to use guns responsibly in the US. You often see officers react with extreme violence for things that can be easily resolved with diplomacy or common sense. They clearly have no training, they're just given a gun and i imagine whoever is in charge thinks the fact of having that gun automatically makes them calm in a crisis?!? Or more likely whoever is in charge doesn't think at all, not passed the "everyone has guns, so we must have them, and since everyone has them they don't require any training". Many people in the US treat guns the same way entitled children treat toys, i.e. "i have the right to have guns and do what i want with them, bring them wherever i like and threaten whoever i want, and if you try to take them away because I've proven over and over that I'm irresponsible with them I'm going to throw a tantrum the size of the empire state building and go set fire to the house (i.e. overthrow the government)". That seems extremely irresponsible and entitled. The very fact that even your kindergartners need to go through gun attack drills in school as if they live in a war zone and nobody bats an eye at that shows how irresponsible most people are. Almost everywhere else one school shooting is enough to have everyone asking for much harsher gun laws, and everyone agrees it's the right thing to do, including gun owners! In the US there are literally hundreds of school shootings each year, most done by teens who aren't considered responsible enough to drink a beer but are somehow allowed guns!??? You have 6 year olds bringing guns to school and threatening teachers and other kids and their parents don't even get a slap on the wrist for that?!? You have kids picking up parents guns and killing family members or themselves because they treated that gun as a toy, and yet there is no regulation on how to store guns safely and people are still allowed to put them wherever?! You supervise your kids more around cleaning products than guns?!? And people act as if it's absolutely normal to sacrifice hundreds of children every year so that anyone can buy an AK47 at Walmart with practically 0 checks and have it on the kitchen counter where their 6 year old can take it and shoot the neighbors kids because they fought over a toy! Zero respect for human life, zero understanding of the fact that any right is also a responsibility, and in fact zero understanding of the concept of responsibility itself! Any rational adult should be able to understand that if you're not capable of exercising your rights responsibly then they should be taken away. It's the basis of the justice system, and for god's sake it's even the basis of kids education, if you can't be responsible you lose your privileges! Yet any attempt to implement that when it comes to guns is met with a nation wide tantrum. When at a national level there are proofs every day that the population is not responsible enough to use guns and the current system is a killer, in the most real sense of the word. You act as if gun control would mean slavery! What are you afraid of, if you think you're so worthy of carrying that gun?! Surely if you're such a good responsible gun owner you'll have no problems proving that and see no reason not to ensure irresponsible people don't have access to guns so they can't give good responsible gun owners like you a bad name by killing random kids in school shootings or random people in supermarket shootings etc etc etc.
Also, an armed burglar is probably going to be far more experienced and adept at use of force than someone who only knows how to shoot from eye level in broad daylight once a week. CQC with a gun is unpredictable even for experienced service personnel.
We had shotguns growing up, my parents both used to clay pigeon shoot.
The rules and regulation are incredibly strict. The police would come round yearly to make sure they were locked away in a secure locker and you also have to keep ammunition in a separate area just in case someone does manage to break into the locker.
Even in a secure and sporting setting I've seen accidents happen.
The fact that anyone can get a gun in the US makes me feel physically sick.
Great video, loved the reaction - perhaps look at the Dunblane tragedy to understand why they changed the law here.
I was a reference for a friends application last year. Had a 5 minute chat with an officer. Was very friendly and easy. He got turned down because the gun safe he got was too small for the gun he wanted. Once that was fixed the licence went through no problem.
I've wondered if that's why Americans are so scared of licencing. They're not meant to view their police as friendly, approachable or co-operative.
The fact that as a Brit, seeing that 50-60 gun homicides a year and thinking crikey that’s a lot
There were 4, 2022-23. I think farmers committing suicide accounts for a high proportion of deaths.
It's incorrect that the US constitution gives citizens the right to own a gun.
The US constitution only provides that right if the person is part of a government backed militia.
Unless you are a member of the Armed forces or the police (The only government backed militias and it's also questionable whether they are in fact militias) then the constitution does NOT give citizens the right to own a gun.
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Well-regulated Militias = government backed militia.
Unless a US citizen is a member of one of those, they don't have the right to own a gun or any other weapon.
Well regulated meant well functioning, organised at the time which the constitution was created, not government-regulated or supervised
@@memesandgaming8777 Regulated means government!
@@barnigranero5882no it means trained. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of that in 2008
@@joshuarowley2084 You mean the Extreme Court which is dominated by Republicans, is completely corrupt and should be abolished?
They are WRONG!
In Canada, our licensing procedure is very similar to the UK. We do have much more hunting and dangerous wildlife here. Safety training is required. Handguns are allowed with a more strict permit. Unfortunately, most of our handgun crimes are committed using illegal guns smuggled in from the USA. Our government is trying to ban more guns here INSTEAD of putting the money towards stopping the illegal gun smuggling that is huge here!
Trudope won't be happy until all guns have been removed. Then the public are much easier to control.
Although the fact that Canadians still have Trudope as a PM is more lethal to the public safety than any gun.
@@jazzylyn5857 unfortunately for us, all true 😢
@@LaurieLeeAnnie He is horrific, under the persona of being good.
We're the same, this seemingly lovely fellow as our PM, Rishi, when really he's as corrupt as them all, and just another useful idiot WEF puppet. We have an election this year - yay - but there is no one to vote for in his place as they are all shite - boo.
We deserve better than all these western politicians who don't care about the people, and are as bent as a ten bob note.
You think Britains laws are strict? You should see Japan's!!
America has a lot in common with Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Welcome to Howdy Arabia.
@@danmayberry1185 Bravo.
I think the US constitution needs to be rewritten. By the British.
Your gun culture started when you freed the slaves. You were scared to death about retribution, but of course Muricans don't talk about such things.
"I need a gun"
"Why?"
"To defend myself!"
"From who?"
"People with guns"
I remember back in 1993 was on my way to new york for short break. Arrived at Heathrow Airport saw for first time police with semi automatic guns. Scared the life out of me. At the age of 36 had never seen a gun before in real life. Presumably in USA this is an everyday sight. Mind boggles 😢
I had the same experience in Manchester in the week after the bombing. So scary. Had never seen anything like that outside of films!
I remember the first time I went to America and whilst having a coffee saw a police officer come in and casually dump his gun on the table. Gave away that I was a tourist right there and then because my eyes must've been as big as saucers 🤣
I remember in the late 1960's arriving at Munich Airport, seeing police wandering around the departure lounge with semi automatic riffles slung at their side.
As we were going to our bus, we looked up and there appeared to be gun impalements on the roof
Proves you live in a UK bubble. Like 90% of the world's police force carry guns for regular duty. I think only 19 countries out of 195 do not carry for their regular police force.
Guns stabbed on the roof? @@stephenlee5929
Judging by the number of 'deaths by gun', the 'self defence' reason for owning a gun in the States obviously does not bear out.
Recently I've seen an updated report that puts it at around 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I don't know how accurate the report is but I can well imagine it could be that high because my friend in the US is like a one man army. He's sent me pictures of his guns.
Here in the whole UK you get less gun deaths per year than one US city can get in one weekend. Where my friend lives in Portland Oregon I think there's been over 300 gun homicides this last year alone. He had a couple of home invaders break in whilst he was in his apartment, they broke down his locked front door to get inside. (My friend always keeps his front door locked even when he's in). He shot one dead and held the other at gun point until the police arrived. He has often messaged me to say he's heard gunshots down the street etc.
This is whilst I live in rural Lincolnshire and I leave my door unlocked and nothing will happen. If I go outside my front door most of the year all I can hear is birds in my garden hedge or the council people mowing the grass on the parkland opposite my house. Only yesterday when we had the TV off, my partner said "I know I like things quiet but this is ridiculous". Middle of the day and it was dead silent, you could have heard a pin drop.
That's the stark difference between a densely populated US city and a sparsely populated rural area of the UK. Two friends who live in places that are polar opposites.
2017 - 120.5 guns per 100 population. The most recent I can find.
There is really no way to know. The estimates mostly rely on polling and the accuracy of the answers are questionable, for numerous reasons. Hard data is only available concerning firearm sales through licensed firearm retailers via the NICS system. The NICS stem was implemented in Nov, 1998.
The best guess is 420+ million firearms in the possession of law abiding citizens. This breaks down to 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 guns per adult.
Polls say that between 40-48% of households own a firearm. That number is probably under counted though since many people when asked will reply "no" regardless if they do have a firearm.
I own about two dozen, with well over 10,000 rounds of ammunition and would never tell a random stranger on the phone that I own any. My response to such inquiries is usually a polite "none of your damn business".
@RickZackExploreOffroad The only thing I know for certain is that there are more guns than there are people in the US. For a country where there isn't any national scale physical conflict occurring, this is beyond simply excessive.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 There are an estimated 420 million firearms in private hands in the US. That breaks down to about 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 firearms per adult.
That is not, by any stretch of the imagination "excessive".
Someone who hunts will probably have at least 3 rifles and/or shotguns. In any given year the states issues about 40 million hunting licenses. Add another 10 million for people aren't required to buy a license and that is 150 million firearms right there.
Firearms are tools, no different then a hammer or a saw. And like most tools people tend to own different types for different tasks.
I own about 20 firearms, some for historical reasons, some for their uniqueness, some because I happen to have bought one that was later replaced by a better model. Do you through away your hammers when you buy another?
The 1911 .45 ACP is a large handgun and therefore hard to conceal in light summer clothes.
The Walther PPQ 9mm is easy to conceal in the summer..
The Glock 43X even more so, but being compact only has a 10 round capacity.
The .357 Mag Ruger revolver is powerful enough to stop a bear, and if loaded with snake shot is handy for rattlers during snake season.
The M1A, chambered in 7.62 NATO/.308 WIN is powerful enough to take down any game in North America but is overkill for smaller game.
The AR pattern rifles are considered underpowered for larger game but are excellent for mountain lions, coyotes, wolves, and the smaller species of deer.
The 1866 Winchester chambered in 44-40 WCF doesn't have a long range but is good at shorter ranges, and of course a hoot to shoot.
The 1841 Hawkins Buffalo Gun, chambered in .50 caliber, has no practical purpose other then it's just cool. Though it is mostly designated as a wall hanger these days.
You get mu point? 20 firearms is a modest collection and has really no relevance to anything. All it indicates is a interest in firearms and a love for the outdoors. That and a healthy dose of being prepared and independence.
@@RickZackExploreOffroad It comes down to matter of opinion. I live in the country that has 5-6 guns per 100 people. There is simply no comparing to the US.
Whether you designate guns tools or weapons, at the end of the day, they are still deadly, much deadlier than the aforementioned hammer and saw.
If you are to retain guns and ensure a high degree of safety, stringent restrictions are the only logical recourse, especially for a country who's cultural identity is tied so much closer to guns than pretty much any other country. Yemen is in a civil war, has the second highest private gun ownership per capita in the world, but even then the US private gun ownership per capital leaves theirs trailing far behind in the dust.
You cannot imagine just how insane I consider the United States to be when it comes to guns, especially in light of an incessant torrent of gun-related crimes, injuries and death, and I am hardly alone to hold this opinion.
And in the USA you have the most gun death in the western world. The personal right to own a gun is a rather new interpretation of the constitution. The words are copied from the Swiss constitution. The right to own a gun was in both cases combined with the well regulated militia clause. But one day the USA supreme court cut the connection between gun ownership and a well regulated militia.
So both Switzerland and the USA have the same clause in the constitution, but interpret that cause very differently. In Switzerland the gun ownership is still connect to the existence of a well regulated Militia.
By the way, gun ownership and militia in the USA were not supposed to overthrow the USA government, but rather in times of crisis to defend the USA.
Well put. Certain people in the USA seem to think the Second Amendment allows them to have an armed rebellion if they don't like the democratically elected government.
Why do people get confused by Switzerland. You can own a gun if your not in the militia in Switzerland, 70% of the population aren't in the militia. There is no connection what so ever between the militia and being able to own a gun, none whatsoever. The difference is if your not in the militia the government don't give you a gun you just have to buy it yourself.
@@davedavids57 If you are in the militia, you have a fully automatic assault rifle at home. When you leave the militia you get it changed to semiautomatic. That 70% of the population is not part of the militia has to be a little bit explained. First for women the militia is voluntary. Second you leave the militia after 10 years, or when you continue, latest when you are 50 years old. So 70% of the population, does not mean you have never been in the militia.
The main difference between Swiss and USA in regards to gun ownership, are training and strict regulations. The USA gun nuts confuse regulation, with taking away their guns.
The second amendment in the USA copies the words in the Swiss constitution, but in Switzerland, the right to own a gun is not separated from the words about the regulated militia.
The government can put regulations on gun ownership. Gun ownership is not an absolute right.
So you have to follow regulations to be allowed to own a gun and many in Switzerland own guns. I would even assume that the percentage of households with a gun is higher in Switzerland. But gun death of all kinds, accidents, suicides and murders are far below the numbers in the USA. You do not even have to be afraid of the police.
@@mjoelnir1899 Yer I think you're getting a bit confused. Switzerland does that to people (I used to live there). Firstly of the 8.5 million people in Switzerland their are only about 5 million Swiss Citizens that can go in the militia. The rest are permanent residents who also have the same gun rights but can't serve in the militia. It's really hard to become Swiss even if you have lived their your entire life. Temporary residence also have gun rights if they get an ok from their home country.
I owned lots of guns in Switzerland there are no training or storage requirements, mental health checks, you don't have to have a reason to purchase. You can keep them loaded at home (as long as they are not near kids) The only thing you can't do is carry them around in the streets for no reason. I don't know how people get so confused. I think things like the US daily show making laws up didn't help to be honest.
Here in Australia you may own guns for Hunting, Farming, Gunclub shooting or sports shooting, but Self Defence is not a valid reason.
Both of my grandfather's own guns, one is a farmer and only uses it to kill predators such as foxes and even that is rare it spends the majority of it's life in its locker
how long does it take to get a gun? in america it depends how far the next gun store is away from you. in germany there is a process(getting license) that takes several month, sometimes more than a year.
From becoming a probationary member of a gun club - a process that usually lasts six months - a being able to APPLY for your FAC [firearms certificate] takes, you guessed it, around six months. However, having become a FULL member of the gun club is necessary to actually applying, as the club secretary is the first of the three referees required to vouch for your suitability and good character. Also required is a note from your doctor to state that you are not on any hallucinatory or incapacitating meds, and do not suffer from any medical reasons why you should not own a firearm. You will also have stated this on your application, BTW. You will also have attended a couple of mandatory courses in the club about firearms in general and safety and handling.
While we might be allowed a muzzle loading pistol or musket without a licence, you would need a black powder licence if you want to be able to use it.
That is so that re-enactment societies such as the English Civil War Society and the Sealed Knot can continue to operate.
You also need a Section 2 [Shotgun] Certificate for a smoothbore musket, but ANY handgun or rifled firearm replica needs a Section 1 FAC, just like a cartridge-firing firearm.
I beleive most gun owners mis qoute the constitution 2nd amendment.
I was told it read "as part of a well organised militia".
So it didn't grant private ownership, guns would be stored in the militias armoury.
Gun owners also always say "it's in the constitution, so it cannot be changed" forgeting that it is an amendment and what the word amendment means.
They also say it is safer in America because they have guns.
I watched a documentary comparing UK / US. It said that if the US had the same gun laws as the UK, there would be around 350 gun deaths in US (accounting for population difference). The real figure was in the thousands, I think it was between 10,000 and 20,000.
They also say that we are brain washed by our government. Of course the NRA has no influence on their thinking do they !
The NRA represents a multi billion dollar industry.
An interesting conclusion of that documentary was that some other countries have nearly as many guns per head but don't go around killing each other (deaths similar to UK). So the US has easy access to guns, ammo and PARANOIA.
A gun isn’t a defensive weapon. The argument that ‘I need it to defend myself’ is ludicrous. If you make it so nobody can have one (unless for valid reasons) then you don’t need to ‘defend’ yourself from anyone, because they don’t have a gun either.
@robertstallard7836 Showing that you are being silly is easy. Compare the gun crime figures per capita in USA to any other advanced countries.
If you were right then there would be far less gun crimes in the USA instead of spectacularly higher numbers.
I think the US should ban guns in city limits. That would separate the people who need guns for work. Why would you need a gun in the city.
The US has a problem, and i think its time for Mr Yank to grow up a little and make some changes.
Yeah that should work for the criminals who do the majority of gun crime in the cities. Chicago has some of the biggest restrictions on fire arms and has one of the most gun violence in the US. Criminals don’t care about gun free zones.
@@paulharrison8152 you just dont get it, look around the world, your gun culture is broken.
@@enthusiasticamateur8516 it’s not my gun culture, I’m English. It’s not gun culture, it’s culture. We have have cultures that hack each other up with machetes. We have cultures that stab each other with “zombie knives”. We have cultures that batter each other with baseball bats and clubs. The guns are not the issue, it is human nature. If guns were the issue then Finland, Austria, Norway and Switzerland, to name a few, would also be screwed up. Also, criminals are not part of any gun culture, they’re just criminals.
@@paulharrison8152 The numbers dont lie, gun deaths in the US are crazy, the knife and bat deaths dont compare.
I understand its not just the guns that have destroyed America but its the gung ho attitude that comes with it contribute in a massive way.
I feel infinitely safer knowing my crazy neighbours very likely don’t have one and I can go outside and be incredibly unlikely to be shot.
Important to consider, most gun crime in the US is committed by career criminals. If guns became illegal for law abiding citizens to own. Then 10s of thousands of illegal guns would be smuggled in from Mexico and sold to criminals. These criminals now would have free reign over the good citizens of America because tbey would be armed. What British people don't get is the US isn't some little island nation that is drivin by a homonigized culture. It's about the same population of all of europe and equally if not more diverse. Us americans beleive that as free people we have a right to defend ourselves and our property. To rely on the police for your protection is pure ignorance. The police and the state will protect themselves before they do a private citizen. Truly Free men have a right to protect themselves and their families.
My friend owns guns, he has to keep them in a hidden safe in his home and (as its for leisure purposes at ranges only) his home can be inspected for compliance at any time.
That's insane. I cannot imagine why you guys are ok with this. This has show me your papers, 1940s Germany vibe to it. Thank God we have a Constitution that limits government power and control.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No, it has a sensible, "we don't want dangerous people to have access to firearms" vibe and demonstrably reduces gun-related crime and deaths. That's why we are fine with it.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 yes, I’m sure all the grieving parents from school shootings are ever so thankful for your constitution.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 You realise you gummint has WMDs? How's your silly little AR-15 going to stand up to a 20 Megaton H Bomb?
@mortdewerewolfe691 If you are suggesting the government would nuke their own people, that's a whole other issue, bud.
Also love the contradiction. I thought AR 15s were WMDs now? Isn't that what anti gunner call them? 🤔
Americans are playing a game in game theory called the prisoner's dilemma with regards to gun ownership.
The simplest form of the game is this:
There are two people on trial. Each is offered the opportunity to walk free if they rat out the other, and the other will go to prison for a long time. If neither rats out the other, both get a reduced sentence due to lack of evidence. If both rat out each other, both go to prison for a long time.
In the United States:
Civilians and criminals are given the right to buy a gun. If the civilians have guns and the criminals don't, the civilians gain and the criminals suffer. If criminals have guns and civilians don't, the civilians suffer and the criminals gain. If neither have guns, everyone is on equal footing. If both have guns, everyone suffers.
In both cases, the suboptimal is reached. Both prisoners will rat out the other as they think the other will take the same opportunity and its their only "chance" for security - but ironically, security is not accomplished for either because the combination of both is not optimal. It can be argued to be the least optimal in the case of guns as organised crime will have guns, sure, but they also dont want attention from the law so they tend to stick to infighting between different organisations, and they dont want attention drawn to the places they operate in from petty criminals (this is how the Yakuza has operated in Japan - they crack down on petty crime). By giving everyone guns, petty criminals are much more likely to commit crimes with them instead of just the organised criminals.
A former landlord of mine used to be neck deep in the organised crime scene in Australia. He never gave many details but I was able to piece together the sort of stuff he was involved in when he said he needed to travel to Sydney to testify - he was providing evidence in a major criminal investigation for an event that happened decades ago, and it was in the news that these trials were happening so I knew what it was for. From everything he said to me though, he basically said that people wanted to avoid heat from the law when it came to gang rivalries so they would usually keep it between gangs and the enforcers didn't like small-time criminals bringing attention to their areas.
As a brit I think the main issue I have with American gun culture is guns seem to be treated as toys. You constantly see videos of people playing with them. I once saw a clip where a toddler was playing with a real firearm. When confronted she told people to mind their own business and the guy wasn't loaded. Problem is a toddler now sees it as a toy and won't notice if it's loaded.