Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Black Prince, Pt 1.
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- The British answered a question nobody was interested in asking: How to put a 17PR into a Churchill.
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Rule Britannia plays at quarter speed
Nah man, The British Grenadiers, at quarter speed.
With kazoo cover
What speed is it under cromwell + removed speed governor removed?
@OldEtonian you made the exact same comment on the tank museum's video 6 months ago. stop fishing for likes
Lucas C rule Britannia plays at quarter speed
It still baffles me that countries keep making larger tanks, sticking the engines and transmissions from lighter tanks into them, and then acting confused when it doesn’t work so good.
The problem starts with the draughtsman not having bigger engines and gearboxes to copy.
#T28SuperHeavyTank
I mean, look at how hard the Allies worked to upgun the Sherman without widening the turret ring, and then realise replacing an engine and drivetrain in a tank could take as much if not more brain power...
British: Uh sir? how can we make the Firefly go faster?
Churchill: *ADD 5 MORE ENGINES TO IT!!!!!!*
You act surprised but people still do this for example with Computers, you upgrade your GPU but then you noticed the CPU is limiting it. But then... wouldnt a 1440p screen be nice.... oh and water cooling..... it's all testing and adjustment. Instead of doing a huge upgrade at once it's always done in small tests and then added together. Abit reactive than proactive than anything else.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that The Chieftain makes even a Black Prince look not that big?
The Black Prince with a meteor engine sounds cool until you realize that centurion was being tested around the same time which would render all tanks in service (except Churchill purely for infantry support) obsolete.
True, the Heavy Cruiser concept (later to be known as the Universal Tank) proved to be an exceptionally good idea. Although adopting the Centurion made perfect sense, I'm still sad that the Black Prince (IMHO the best name ever given to a tank) was never put into service.
Vauxhall: Well gents, we finally got the 17 pdr. in a Churchill!
British Army: Yeah um, about that.........
Firefly its ironic because the tank’s namesake has been referred to as the greatest king england never had, you see the black prince of england died a rather tragic death before he came to the throne of england.
@@FireflyActual The universal tank concept never planned out. It is not the same as the "heavy cruiser", which was later reclassified to "medium".
But Vauxhall bribed enough MPs, so they deserved to make an outdated-at-launch vehicle out taxpayer money, right?
Video: *starts with THAT music*
Everyonw: Aw shit, here wo go again.
Music?!... I was looking at Tanks....
Well at least this time it's properly mixed and not at full volume while Nick is talking.
We all know they love the old music :D
@@petethebastard It used to be you couldn't see the tanks over the loud music....
@@Joelsfilmer Yeah, only 80% of full volume. TURN THE MUSIC DOWN PLEASE!!!
Ahhhh, there's that hated music loop.
I’ve been looking forward to seeing the Chieftain review this tank. The wait is over.
So he has finally chosen the holy one
There's actually 2 left. The one at Bovington and another (needing full restoration) in the Rex and Rod Cadman collection.
So on a road march it's the classic, "check the fuel, fill the oil at halts" kind of vehicle... Substitute, "adjust the clutch" as needed.
'Signed a waiver'... the ethos of the British Army in a nutshell.
Hats off to the transporter drivers. I don't think many of us can appreciate what it means to put a 50t load on a 40t trailer..... with 1940s technology. Good thing Britain is relatively flat.
Hell, i know a guy who routinely hauled 45 ton of coal with a gcvw of 80,000........just avoid the dot.
@@randymagnum143 can you repeat that in metric? Lol.
@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 unless he is from Britain the calculation is the same. Metric ton and the American short ton were homogenized a decade back. 2200lbs for short ton, metric ton 1000k. Still, that is terrifying lol. 45 tons of coal in a gross commercial vehicle TOTAL weight of 38 tons if brain math serves me right lol.
@@T3hderk87 Got a source for that? A quick websearch suggests that the American short ton is 2000 lb.
One my most favorite tanks ever made, I’ve been looking forward to this for awhile. I’m glad The Chieftain is doing more British tanks, they really are all unique in a certain aspect
They are all terribly underpowered? :U
@@cheyannei5983 Cromwell would like to know your location
@@cheyannei5983 like the comet?
@@oliverbooth2872 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cromwell was important for being the first British vehicle to *not* have a terribly underpowered engine. Further development into Comet and later governing slowed it down to 32mph... which is plenty fast enough, to be sure, infantry, bunkers, and the Nazi tanks weren't going anywhere nearly as fast.
Then you shoved the same nearly unmodified engine into the 50-ton Centurion where it only made 650 horsepower *before* accessories were considered. The M46 Patton made that power with engine accessories, and consequently was some 10mph faster.
The engine accessories weren't efficient in those days, you lost a staggering amount of power on them. For example, M56 Scorpion is slow for its weight and nameplate horsepower explicitly because of the load the accessories and transmission put on the engine.
Edit: The Swedish Strv 104 even had more or less the M48 pack put in and it made a very respectable 31 mph. Considering the extra weight, that's a great result... but using a more powerful engine than Meteor.
@@cheyannei5983 all of the cruiser series were very mobile. Also remember that the infantry tanks were fast enough to do the job they were designed for
The sense of joy i feel whenever you upload one of these videos never get old :D
Finally, a tank that you can fit in!
So so glad you got inside this, one of my all time favourites
Oh! This is an Inside the chieftains Hatch I privately hoped for, but never really expected. Thank you.
I can forgive the Churchills 1 up to 7 for their quirks&weaknesses due to the urgencies of WW2 in 1941/1942, but by the time they started Black Prince, you would think those Brits had learned a lesson or two...
One of my favorite odd tanks, I really love the shape of the standard Churchills, and this larger one is a very interesting trial in making the thing excessively large.
I was going to ask how this would fit through UK rail loading gauge, seeing as it looks rather wider than most UK tunnels and platforms, but thank you for clarifying that, well: It doesn't.
Yes! I've been waiting for this one.
So you're telling me that they never angled the Churchill's frontal plate because the Brits couldn't figure out how the to put a machine gun mount into an angled plate?
For Fucks Sake, Britain.
I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's some specific BESA weirdness.
They kind of gave the Comet an extra welded plate at an angle with a model called the "Comet*" or something like that, but IIRC the MG had to be deleted and that sacrifice wasn't worth the additional armour. Comet crews were disappointed that they couldn't have a frontal slope like the Panther, but IDK how much it mattered given how much easier their own tank probably was to hide.
Britain, unlike other nations, considered the hull MG to be part of the offensive, rather than defensive, armament of the tank. The BESA was equipped with optical sights for this reason whereas, say, the Sherman used a periscope and tracers, which was much less effective. Now, of course, we know that hull MGs aren't necessary, but at the time, they were considered vital. The BESA with the optical sight couldn't be employed on a tank with a sloped front hull, so a vertical plate was used. It was not a tall plate, so the risk was considered worth the compromise.
@ Andrew A That's the official reason, but there's more to it than that. Sloped armour of any given thickness is heavier- there's more of it- and it tends to eat into the tank's internal volume.
The late War Brits had a decent slope on the front section where there was no need for internal space and a small, very thick plate joining it to the hull roof. To get even a modest continuous slope and reasonable armour thickness, with enough room to accommodate the crew and equipment the Brits wanted, would have required a much bigger, heavier tank. The Brits weren't really in a position to power or transport such a large vehicle until the closing months of the War.
If you ever visit Bovington it's worth comparing the size of Western designs. The massively armoured Churchills and the Black prince are smaller than the Panther, much less Centurion. Late model (welded) Cromwells and Comets had protection equivalent to or even better than much larger designs like the Sherman, or the similar sized, much vaunted T-34. The Sherman was considerably heavier, the T-34 much more cramped.
Tank design in the 40s involved considerable compromises. The Brits were hamstrung by the lack of a decent engine until mid '43, the Western Allies didn't get a decent tank gun until after the War ended. To understand why the vehicles of the period were designed the way they were requires understanding the constraints the manufacturers were under.
It's not simply 'zomg, the Brits were shit at design', more that the Brits sought compromises that would deliver on their requirements where other countries accepted the consequences of accepting the down side to what we see as major advantages today. The Brits couldn't power something as big as a Sherman until a point in the War when they already had vast numbers of Shermans on their books. Likewise, while they admired the T-34, there was no way they would accept such a cramped, ergonomically hostile vehicle into service. The alleged Soviet approach of recruiting very short men for the fighting compartment and having women drivers appalled the Brits!
@@billyclement5141 I agree, but didn't say it was the only reason. The simple fact is, there's way more to tank design than playing War Thunder and playing Top Trumps. Even something as simple as welding sloping plates is more difficult.
Looking forward to part 2.🙂
Always been fascinated by this tank, nice one!
Waiting impatiently for part 2
Thanks from Kentucky...!
Take a shot every time he says churchill
If you drink every time he talks about Churchill (the tank), you may end up drinking almost as much as Churchill (the man).
See you in the emergency room.
I used to drink 50-60 oz a day...it's doable when you're young :P
Our livers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!
Can't wight for part two!..
Oh man I can't remember when I last heard about this Tank, I relish the opportunity to refresh my knowledge of it
You know, I missed that good ol' riff at 0:00-1:10, I'm glad it's back. It was gone for an entire 2 episodes but still.
If you think about it this tank has the same tensioning system as a bicycle
Love how the sign for toilets points at the black prince in the beginning
I dig these
This is great:)
I dont care how slow this thing is, its the coolest looking tank ever for me
Using a combination of springs with different oscillation frequencies reduces the natural bounce of springs and eliminates the need for shock absorbers
The Chieftain is going crazy today! He does the exterior ANTIclockwise!!!!
Just got Kay's Medal on Karelia with Black Prince. Whoo-hoo!
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I love this tank! Totally impractical British thinking at it's finest! Over bore gun, under bore engine, archaic armour scheme riddled with asbestos. What could go wrong? But: loads of steam punk style!
And a boiling vessel!!! Loose Twinings anyone?
I always assumed the meteor engine option was dropped because the decision was made to focus on Centurion as the new 'Universal' tank.
Wow, and to think this thing goes back to 1943. I wonder if the engineers designed it that way, or if they just worked around the background music.
That beeping in the background really pissed him off.
needs a bass boosted inside the chieftain hatch theme at the end
Hey could you do the Tiger or Panzer 4? That would be amazing
So my V8 Range Rover Classic isn't thirsty at all!
Only just
@@markfryer9880 mpg, not gpm at least :-)
@@CheshireTomcat68 No everybody measures in mpg EXCEPT for Range Rover who measure in GPG and don't tell anyone.
Anti-clockwise! I love it. My Corkman father always said anti-clockwise, instead of counter-clockwise.
The old guitar riff was back in the beginning ;-; I miss it so.
NONE SHALL PASS!!!
Why? Because it was so bloody wide!
Could we please PLEASE get videos on the Tigers and T29 or T34???
That turret looks huge for the size of the hull.
That beeping towards the end bring back memories, was great fun meeting you at tank fest last year, are you going this year?
should be.
I wasn't worried about clicking this video fast. It's not like this tank is going anywhere in a hurry *ba dum tss*
Tank driver had to get lightnig fast from the first to second and third gear because tank was able to accelerate only to a very low speed per gear. While he pushed the tank into max gear speed due to its weight the vehicle started to slow down so fast that any slower than super-fast gear change effected in tank stop.
The Chieftain,pls do a review on T-72
Funny: The track tensioning works like on my 30s ladies bicycle.
KrautReport I've seen the same system on a British bike from 1906. Why re-invent the wheel, if you've got a working system?
@8:00 "Can't open the back deck because of asbestos concerns."
Gaping open final drive brake cover with its tasty asbestos brake friction pads exposed to all.
Is this new slew of Bovington videos building to a video on 131?
I love this MIX of music.
That's good! Wargaming, keep doing this!
(At least, I'm under the impression that Nicholas isn't involved in the music selection process in editing).
ayy one of my fav's
When the time comes good sir I would be delighted to see your *"Oh-Bugger the Prince is on Fire"* whilst exiting though the side hatch... Because leaping from the top of said vehicle is just so "Uncivilized", that and it attracts bullets. O_0 Also one might scuff there shoe, or topple there beret in the process. >_
@Charles DuBois and I love it too. o_0
Is it part of the Background music or is there some kind of alarm going off ? 6:51
Love the Black Prince. Sure it was an evolutionary dead end, but I do like the way the designers took the Churchill all the way to its logical conclusion.
In some ways it almost looks like a fantasy tank, the sort created by concept artists for video games who spent 10 minutes looking at reference photos of a dozen unrelated vehicles and then just let the imagination flow.
Nice graphics on intro
Sir. Could you kindly point out a tank that *is* for sneaking up on people with? xD I'm just imagining creeping at like 1 kph toward some hapless weekend campers around a nighttime campfire and you get something along the lines of that scene from The Holy Grail. You know which one.
Yay!
The suspension on this is so big. I wonder how much just the suspension weighs.
i wonder if they'd kept this mentality throughout XX century would Challenger 2 just look like really big, really wide and heavy Churchill with two marine engines and a giant cannon ? 😂
Well you just described what the challenger 2 is
The hull is longer than most other modern tank, with a big turret, heavy armor, and a big (yet questionable choice) of gun. Also the tank is on the slower side when compared to other western MBTs
In the eyes of other MBTs (if they have them) Challenger 2s must have looked like a churchill on steriods
@@minhqun hey, at least it's not TOG III
Love'em or hate'em.
The tunes are back.
* * rock on * *
:D
I like how the toilet sign points to the black prince
love this tank in wt
Our sastisfaction never ends.
its a fantastic name for a tank to be fair
I miss the old theme music i dont miss the old volume
Who on earath was thinking that less than half of required power output will do in 50 ton beast. I mean mediums had way more power than this. Even PzIII ended up with some close level of power.
A cool tank made instantly obsolete by the mighty Centurion.
Is that a fire alarm in the backround?
I don't mind you using the imperial system of measurements, but could you please say what the metric measurements are afterwards or add a little annotation at the bottom of the screen for all non-americans? It would be very helpful :)
Americans don't use Imperial gallons either. I appreciate that you didn't lose your mind and rage over it, as many folks on here would...
Mr. Moran explained in one of his earlier videos why exactly he will never do that. He always refers to the tank in system in which it was developed. To quote his own words: "Google is your friend." end of quote.
@@uzivatel56 I understand he wants to stay true to the sources, but it still doesn't mean the editing team at WG couldn't add the metric conversion at the bottom of the screen.
When you hear THAT music play, you know it's about to get good
...later called 'The tank formally known as black Prince' and then, just a red & yellow diagonal marking. 😜
We have added a quite lot if weight to this Churchill chaps. Do you think we should add some power?
Nah, it'll be fine.
Lay down a few shipping blankets and give me a pillow and I'll sleep there
Can you do a video on the m4e6 sherman
I will eventually.
Wait is this a re-upload? What happened to the last video 🤔, wait it was uploaded on wargaming NA
Hands Stuart a brown paper bag. Breathe in and out of the bag for 5 minutes.
Anybody know what the leftmost tank at 1:20 is? It's been bugging me for years now.
@God, Frieza! Thanks! After some research, I see it's indeed a Conqueror but with the 1957 experimental spaced armor on the turret and some kind of bizarre barrel accessory I can't find any mention of.
I am appalled at the minimal mention of track tension. I need details of how to tension tracks for a single remaining tank I will never drive.
If the Centurion didn't exist it may have been produced with a meteor engine and a lot more redesign.
You plan on hoping into a King Tiger one day?
As far as I know there are only two mostly complete (non function) ones.. One at the Bovington Tank Museum and the other at Fort Benning (But one side was cut open back in the mid 40's)
A few others exist but are all in long term rebuilds, parts or a hull.
Edit: Sorry there is ONE functional one at the Musée des Blindés in France.
SilvaDreams, the French one is the one I’m hoping for
22mph with the Merlin. Scary.
This bloody deafening "background" music that you have to shout over, sir. Can't we do without it? Are we addressing the audience with 5s attention span?
Mmmm pardon?
nice
нойс 😙👌
new music
Old background music was back for a moment there
The black prince with a meteor engine would have been great before the centurion came into service...... At least if they could keep the damn things fuelled, Maybe 30 miles with that tiny gas tank?
I hate to say it, but there is a second black prince that is left, granted it's in really rough shape, and is without a turret and gun, but a mantlet and gun survives, and rumors of a turret being used as a hard target for a short while have surfaced, so there may be a second black prince some day that is together
The BP could have been a really good tank. Had it been a bit faster.
A good challenger to the Tiger/88 mm armed tanks.
Even good against all the tanks with the long 75 mm gun.
I do hope The @UCp4j9Y9L6jie44iZroCb99A will do a Inside the Cheiftain's Hatch on the glorious speed demon that is the TOG 2. That Bovington tank museum also has :)
The Churchill being slow was intended though, it’s an infantry tank that’s supposed to stick with the infantry so moving faster than running pace isn’t really necessary.
Aaand the music is back. My girlfriend asked why i got this thousand-yard stare at my computer...
But anyway, superb video an usual^^
anti-clockwise, so controversial
Its a slow monster with a standard cannon of 76,2 mm.
What would the fuel consumption for this vehicle be?
In metric
Depends on whether he's using proper gallons or U.S. gallons. But the distance comes to roughly 160k on-road and roughly 100k off-road. The capacity was 156 gallons which comes to 709 litres (using Imperial gallons) and 590 litres (using U.S. gallons. So off-road, 709l/100km and 443l/100km on-road with Imperial gallons. My 2005 Ford Falcon station wagon does around 17l/100km :P
Question, does the charioteer have -5 or -9 degrees of gun depression?
Should have called it the Raj and sent it out for Tiger Hunts.
I hated going threw the British heavy tank tree cause of Churchills and the black prince