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Petition for Crunchyroll to never manage Miku Expo ever again
This being crunchyrolls doing literally explains everything
ok heres the thing as i was on sgaet my self me ken omage with miku and the thers the holl toer was being hadlled bey crunchroll even tho thay wer offord help to make it look beter bey how me but no thay watdey to pay uot the bum for a loed tv for ther melidsgaet for all the crunchroll concertsis both me and the thers did not like it but as we did ager to ther agie sis tremsis even tho a lot fo usis did not wat to go on sgaet and do it as for viwersis fans the odenatsis worldwied over we stell did the show as its saydid the show musth go on like it or not this has ben ken omage hadey fo the bad vivi bsis and a frend fo hotsomaymiku or miku hav a nices day
@@jamiekosch2562dude how drunk are you?? if your gonna make your paragraph basically impossible to read then its better to just spend your time doing something else instead of writing it😭
@jamiekosch2562 what
suddenly it all makes sense
We should rename the LED screen to ✨Miku's Void✨
Some have said it's the Miku box
@@FelicityUwUshe’s stuck in the tv
@@KingOfGaymes Exactly
It's the Vocalvoid
I'm sorry
The void sekai 😨⁉️⁉️
"we wanted to see the magic trick" THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES VOCALOID CONCERTS WORTH IT!! coming from someone with no emotional attachment to vocaloids, that is THE thing other than the audience atmosphere that makes vocaloid _concerts_ make real sense, rather than just doing movie theatre showings or online streaming. seeing a cartoon character that even kinda-sorta looks like they're standing on the physical stage in front of you just scratches a particular itch in a way that a poorly integrated screen just _can't_
It is literally THE marketing gimmick of a miku concert to begin with. I think in America with enough resources you'd actually have a valid case for legal repercussions for not delivering a product that is up to par with their advertising and past events.
I have an obsession with Haunted Mansion so the Peppers ghost effect is super cool to me.
The idea that they replaced that with a freaking TV is insane!
Exactly! I'm not really particularly into vocaloid music that much (it's good music but my main interests just lie elsewhere), but I would love to go to a concert like that, it would be so freaking cool!
I literally had no clue about any of this, but I was at the lady Gaga concert where Miku opened and that shit blew my mind and I just found out today what it was lol
@@ggyytgcvcTHERE WAS A LADY GAGA CONCERT WHERE MIKU OPENED?!
I wouldn't be surprised if fans take this to court over not delivering the standard they've been promised
For this amount of money if they get together they could have a good case
I believe they tried to with the VIP merch that they didn't receive. I don't know if there's enough substance to form a lawsuit, though
Can someone well-versed in American law try and confirm whether this is doable in a civil lawsuit?
I don't know a thing about this so I wanna pass it to someone who knows what they're doing
somebody get legal eagle into vocaloid
Questionable considering this happened because their main sponsor went bankrupt
My eyes are more at Cochella not delivering with the holographic screen knowing their 'luxurious reputation'
@@thatonellamawhoissoobsesse8138WHAT
Other problems:
-Only 95 glowsticks sold at most of the merch booths (Some even had less)
-Not every VIP ticket holder got a VIP goodie bag
-No VIP early merch queue (Apparently this was supposed to be added to the VIP tickets)
-Some places had it where there was no glowstick limit (Which meant some booths had their glowsticks sold out within the first hour)
-Miku cutout got stolen
-Miku Expo in Mexico only having roughly 33% of merch available. (Of course no glowsticks available)
I really want to go to the Miku Expo 2024 in London.
But with the issues, I'll pass and wait until we get these resolved.
What’s especially sad about the cutout is that it didn’t belong to the tour, a fan had paid out of pocket to have the cutout and several other things made for the Vancouver show
it wasnt 95 glowsticks it was 95 glowsticks per box of glowsticks instead of 100. no clue how many there actually were but definitely not enough
Well with all those issues i kinda get why the cutout was stolen. Then wanted some money back
@mskittygemma you got that from Emily's video, right?^^
THERES ONE IN LONDON? Oh my god I wish I could go☹️
heard a joke that she became flat because she was becoming magic the gathering cards (which is real. miku is on magic the gathering cards)
someone please free her from two dimensional cardboard hell
NOO WE HAVE TO SAVE MIKU
WE NEED TO RETURN HER TO THE THIRD DIMENSION
i must announce they just revealed more miku cards. she remains trapped cursed by a witch into a flat prison
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree! I was at the Portland show, and we were all holding our breath about the screen. I was definitely sad as it was my first concert, but I'm still glad I went.
As a side note, the lightsticks actually aren't synced to the show. There's a button to cycle through the colors! And as far as I know, the reason they usually only allow official sticks is... get this... to not interfere with the projection. So now people are doubly mad that they paid for the official sticks (which were $40 each) when there was no projection to interfere with.
Fun fact, they’re $40 USD. When I ordered mine in Canada I ended up paying over $120 CAD total for 2 light sticks, shipping, and customs 🙃
Not to mention that Mexico’s merch was released super late and I heard they won’t get any light sticks online or in person.
RIGHT like I DDINT buy official light sticks, I was gonna bring my love live ones and then they said to not bring them so I had nothing to do with my hands the whole show 😭😭😭
@@Nyabot-mh2zi with the way security was in not checking for official penlights, yours would have been fine 😓
I brought unofficial ones because of a hack where you put paper in the penlight tube to diffusse the light. Rolled up printer paper got them to the same brightness as officl ones and the color match was exact (save foe the extra colors it had). I saw some others too with unofficial ones, so it’s wack they did all that to insist buying official ones and unofficial ones still made it in.
@@nxctem Just need to do better and not out yourself like a toddler and you can usually get away with anything. I've seen people sneak in drugs without batting an eye. Im sure you can do it for some lights. lol.
高いお金を払ってTVを見せられたのですね。クリプトンに抗議しておきます。
The *funniest* thing about this is that there *is* a way to camouflage the LED screen by using an OLED screen and a one-way mirror (the same thing DISNEY uses for holograms) so it's hilarious that they don't.
There are transparent led screens too😭
@@ItsActuallyKate Literally any effort at all would have been better, yeah. XD
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE SAID THIS. Disney theatrical technician here. THIS SHOW IS DISRGRACEFUL. North America tours has some of the BEST THIRD PARTY RIG TEAMS ON EARTH. So much so they've hired us in Afghanistan , Greece, Spain , and yes Japan. Field entertainment, pro sound , rhinos , Rebecca's. These are teams that do most events people ever watch.
I do not know what team was hired for this show. I'm sure the team itself was just following orders as our job is. But there's so many tech teams that have the mobile technology to have done this just fine and completed the custom syncing transfers properly. No matter the excuse this is unacceptable
@@travelonward1811
Looks to me like it just went to the lowest bidder.
And use Samsung "The wall" panels to make a 500 inch display, that feels part of the stage.
Coming out on the day we get news that there are NO LIGHTSTICKS for the Mexican part of the tour, due to "transportation issues"
I really hate it! I feel they are just laughing and playing with our money at this point…
WHAT OMG THEYRE JOKING
I am guessing that it has to do with the fact that the glowsticks can be opened and filled with xyz substances, and the fact that there were huge boxes of them. Border customs probably took one look and said "We do NOT have the manpower to inspect every item" and chose to refuse its passage into Mexico, probably storing the merch stateside.
@@pliktl
Conserts send stuff like that all the time, i bet they didn't even try to comply with customs and just said "fuck it we aren't paying money they won't care anyways."
@@pliktl does that happen a lot going _in_ to Mexico though?
I thought my disappointment couldn't have gotten worse after I found out about the TV screen but today I woke up to the news that the tour in Mexico, where I live, is not selling the glow sticks.
Bro.. they are ACTIVELY TRYING to make sure we have a bad time. This whole tour is a disaster and then some.
Apparently Crunchyroll was the biggest sponsor for the event and got caught committing federal level consumer fraud in the middle of organizing the tour, and went bankrupt - so all of the disaster is because the main sponsor for the event were scumfucks that went bankrupt and instead of refunding people (because they were bankrupt) they milked millions for a half assed TV watch2gether. xD
In the case of México, Mikuexpo have always had issues with merchandise. Due to Mexican Border customs certain merchandise can't pass without throughly being inspected which can take literally days up to a week. The first Mikuexpo in mexico was a complete nightmare. Not only the merchandise did not make it in time, but even the VIP package gifts bags were missing. Crypton had to issue an apology to the Monterrey concert and the first day of the mexico city concerts for having nothing to sell. They eventually send the VIP gifts bags through the mail to all the VIP tickets holders. I guess is that they are only bringing the merchandise that gives less issues while crossing the Mexican border.
@@4n631ic0b1ivi0n If they know it's going to be an issue why not work it out in advance rather than throwing their hands in the air and admitting defeat? It really shows how they don't care. They'd rather we all get completely screwed than just try a little harder than normal.
@@maskedfoxx7173who knows, mexican border customs is infamously unpredictable. It can can be quick or take forever(I cross the border the us/mex quite frequently so i have a bit of an idea).
@@4n631ic0b1ivi0n
It's still their responsibility to try and make it work, or alert cuatomers before hand that glowsticks may or may not be there, the promised customers they would be and they didn't provide them even when people paid for them.
what baffles me is that they got as screen... and then made SURE you ABSOLUTELY SAW it was a square screen. what in tarnation
Yes. While the “standard” Miku performance is not quite the same thing as “live on stage!”, this is the equivalent of selling tickets to a live concert tour, but the performers stay home and each venue shows a pre-recorded performance instead.
or they just lip-synch and don't bother to dance well. so basically a blackpink concert :)
@@LynnHermione Eyeroll.
Something else they could have done is...have a few big screens on the sides of the stage for closeups of the performers you know WHAT THEY USE FOR IRL PERFORMERS, but yeah...do SOMETHING with that black void box for cripes sake
It’s weird cuz they did that at all the past expos.. not sure why they skimped out this time when the venues probably already have them
@@KingOfGaymes From what I've seen from comments on this video and a few other videos all these issues and the general cheapness vibe of this tour can basically be directly attributed to Crunchyroll being the one in charge of the Miku Expo instead of the usual company who does it (which apparently went bankrupt according to one comment but I haven't fact checked this yet).
Corrections:
The added animations for Ten Thousand stars was already there in previous concerts, so they didn't take advantage of the LED screen and add new animations.
The light sticks don't sync up to the concert. Non-miku lightsticks were banned because of the hologram screen interfering with the projection (which doesn't matter now its an LED screen).
Yeah I went to Miku Expo 2018? in London and snuck in my own lightstick - i was going to replace the batteries, but when i put them in it was OBSCENELY bright especially compared to my friends' Miku Expo lightsticks. So I just took it in with the low batteries and it was fine! (The price of the lightsticks were absolutely ridiculous even back then, especially for something less bright and with less colours)
and honestly, that Miku Expo was so badly organised as well, I feel like its a common thing sadly 💀 When I bought merch, I ticked what i wanted on a sheet of paper and yet they still gave me the wrong things so I had to go back and try to tell them. And when the queue finally happened to go inside the concert hall from the big room they had barely anything to do in (we ended up leaving for food and coming back) it was so unclear where the hell the queue started that we're pretty sure we accidentally cut the line at some point.
I went to the Toronto show in 2016, the vectors looked incredible even then.
im still not understanding how light sticks can interfere with a projection. it's a money grab... that is really it
I felt so terribly bad for everyone who paid so much money and were so excited. I hope they redo a tour sometime in the near future the proper way.
Miku usually comes to North America every two years, the problem is that she only goes to a few cities and the cities change every 2 years as well.. like this time she’ll go to Chicago but next time she won’t, so for us in the Midwest we won’t see Miku back here until 2028 😭
I went but I didn’t know what to expect due to the fact that I knew it would either be a hologram on screen. To me it seemed like she was onstage even on screen like it looked like her feet were on stage but obviously there were other issues like lightsticks and stuff. It was still exciting and fun but I definitely wasn’t what most people wanted
@@KingOfGaymes oh damn ig it's over for us then 😭
@@KingOfGaymes Yeah I feel you... I hope they come back to Boston or at least NYC, cuz from Boston to NJ is a hike.
The juxtaposition between this video about the NA Miku expo being bad vs Jaidenanimations latest video talking about how great her experience at the japanese Miku expo is night and day
edit: correction, the Japanese concert is called Miku Mirai
yeah cause some ppl have no backbone.... most ppl that went still had fun but that doesn't change the facts this company is not new to scams.
@@Sundropz did you read the comment before replying
@@Sundropz i can’t speak to the company being scammy but jaiden went to magical mirai in japan last year, and it did look like they had the pepper’s ghost effect. i’m sure if she’d seen her at the expo this year in america her experience would have been different
oh noo you're right 😭
The Japan concerts are called Magical Mirai, Miku Expo is only the tours outside Asia
The best way I can describe it -- Hatsune Miku is like Santa Claus -- we all know he's fake, but that's not the point. It's the event, the people, the atmosphere, the cosplay, and everything in-between that manifest her into existence. She is the spirit of the season. The "hologram" is the validating factor, but when the fourth wall is literally broken, it's like telling kids they can visit Santa via a Zoom call. It just... ain't it. And ultimately that's the issue, that the people running the event genuinely didn't care enough about this experience and thought people would spend their rent money to Zoom call Santa rather than meet an old man cosplaying him at the mall.
I feel bad particularly for any cosplayers stuck in the rain, i know a lot of cosplays and props are really delicate and cant withstand the water damage or getting washed afterwards so that must've sucked to deal with
Props aren't really supposed to be allowed in the venue, but everyone's wig and makeup were getting messed up for sure
@@MyFictionalChaos yeah, most standard props wouldnt be allowed given the limits on what you can bring in. though remember that not all props are held! i'd argue that rin and len's headphones, when making a cosplay, would count as a prop of sorts. even if you dont consider them props, i feel awful for the len/rin cosplayers. you dont really wanna be getting actual headphones wet, and you dont really wanna be getting cardboard/styrofoam/other foams wet either, even if they're sealed.
it was a total mess all-round, fr. they could've planned in advance and set up some marquees, or an alternative queue with actual cover 😔
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Just saw Expo in Detroit and 100% you hit all the issues. It's not the screen. It's how they used (or didn't) use it! They all looked trapped in a box. Don't get me wrong, I had a great time, but it could have been so much more!
Why isn't she 10 feet tall? Why didn't they render the back of the stage? Hell, why didn't they have literally ANYTHING in the background???
I really hope they listen to the criticism and do better.
The band was awesome. No complaints there. 10/10 hire them again.
I remember thinking "why not make her taller?" tho I feel it might mess with the immersion. that is just me tho, but what they could do to make her more visible is maybe have her stand on an elevated platform that's not just the stage's floor. front or back you could still see her
That is just wasting time if they not listen damn it.. The band banger too man
@@lu-metal1232 what immersion though... it's a tv
I wanted to go but when the news about the LCD screen started going around I changed my mind also bc prices were absurdly high in the countries I was considering.
*LED screen sorry the autocorrector ;;
The prices started to go down drastically (in some places) after they confirmed the rest of the tour would be LED screens. So I snatched my ticket up then
I think what's extra weird is that it's not like the Hologram system isn't in the states already or unavailable. They use them here. Why didn't they rent a local one for the tour?
Going to the Miku fake hologram is one thing, but paying this amount of money to see a not even that good light show on LED screen is straight up robbery. 🤡
My first Miku Expo was the 2016 tour in Toronto and seeing the hologram after nearly a decade of being a vocaloid fan was such an amazing experience. It was also my last since they didn’t include Canada in the 2018 tour and the 2020 tour was cut short. I’m still going to the Toronto show this Thursday and I’m pretty sure I’m going to have a good time, but I’m also really disappointed by the screen/lack of effort put in to make the screen look good- especially since their ads for the tour said they’re using the projectors. Generally though, I just feel really bad for everyone who has said this is their first Miku concert ever. They’ve been waiting for years for this, just like I had back in 2016 (and still have been since 2016), and they won’t get the same experience
Same hat! I was there in 2016 too. I have ALSO seen the first "test performance" of Miku '""live""' in Toronto a couple yrs before that too (2013, I think)? She wasn't hologram for that performance. It was basically just a screening of the pro-recorded Japanese concert from that year. But that made sense, it was the first time they tried a Miku concert in Canada they weren't gonna invest in tour travel & setting up the venue for a big hologram concert unless they knew they were gonna sell enough tickets to profit. But they were upfront about it in the advertising too.
THIS? Is sad.
So how's the refund effort going? Hopefully very well?
i’m supposed to go to the show thursday but i think im gonna sell my tickets cuz this is disappointing and also the set list is kind of ass
I was going to say this! I was at the 2016 Toronto tour and while you could see the big piece of acrylic if you paid attention, the hologram effect was awesome. I was blown away how it looked like they were on the stage.
Kind of glad I didn’t buy into this year… I have no idea how they could do it right before and now this tour is so messed up.
Lucky you, Miku was supposed to perform in Montreal for the 2020 tour but was not included in the 2024 tour... I don't know if I should feel sad that I missed the Toronto show despite the LED screen fiasco
A friend of mine went to the Atlana Miku expo. He told me that his group had umbrellas so they wouldnt get soaked and security wanted them to take them to their car and wait in line AGAIN. He ended up talking to security and so many people hand umbrellas i guess they just gave up and let them in but still he was very annoyed at that part.
Oh lord they EMPHASIZE the LED screen by putting gawdamn lighting around it instead of attempt to hide it HAHAHHA
After seeing the japanese shows with Miku, I would love to experience that too but I would be so pissed off if the result was a "huge" LED-screen. Like I'm small and it sucks if I cannot see the stage if I happen to be in the back or something while standing (also health reasons are why I prefer sitting seats which are usually in the back). Seeing the footage just baffles me.
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Yes!!! I vividly remember BTS popularizing them even though the "glowstick" ones have been around forever
for me the led screen makes me focus more on the cubes/lights in the background rather than on Miku whilst hologram miku blends nicely with the backround lights making it easier to focus on her
I wish they did more crowd interaction and more interesting bits with the sets, at least. When miku stood on the "speakers" it was my favorite thing ever!!
And the worst part is that was just recycled pre-recorded moves, so the ONE thing that stood out wasn't even done specifically for the show. Just adds insult to injury.
There was a stage in Coachella where the background was just a huge LED screen with the visuals of giant CG freaky beautiful creatures/women moving to the music was still mesmerizing.
As a UI designer I stg them using the SAME MOTION GRAPHICS for every set was disappointing for me. I had fun, but I'm not sure it was worth the money.
I was at the DC Miku show, I got standing room General admission tickets. NGL I cried once I found out she was led since it's been my dream since I was 12 to see a Miku concert (I'm 25 now). My biggest complaint by far was her size, she took up maybe a 3rd of the screen (half being generous lol) and I literally could not see the first 3-5 songs because I was towards the back of the crowd. My partner was literally helping me jump to see some of the performances. The crowd eventually shifted and I could see, and I overall had a great time! I just wish I could've seen her the whole time.
I was at the DC show too and was only able to see about 1/3 of the show with how small she was from the middle of the GA standing room and the rest of it I watched through peoples phones 😢. If they had to do the LED they should have at least done close ups of her on the sides like other concerts so everyone could see her. The crowd really saved the concert for me
I was also at the DC show but drove in about 3 hours from Philly-- I got there around 3pm and waited near the front of GA (and yet they ran out of glowsticks before VIP was even in) and I was able to get a spot near the front left side and even then being able to see her was a little difficult just due to the crowd. I think any further back than where I was it would've been near impossible to see them at all. And also for just an hour long show?? I was surprised it wasn't longer given how many songs they all have, like everyone had two songs and then the rest was just Miku. It was a long way to drive just for an hour long show!
i was also at the dc show and it was my first miku expo. i had wanted to go for so long and to find out she was LED and not a hologram, i almost sold my tickets until someone else convinced me to think about the memories i would share with my friend instead. i also brought in a light stick that was non official and i didn't get stopped during back check. i went and i was maybe....in the middle of the front? that was lucky on my part but i'm short, so i also spent my time looking through my phone or other people's phone for the concert (i had to record on my tippy toes)
miku looked trapped in a box the whole time and i expected it to at least go on 30 minutes longer than it did. I paid about 90-100 bucks for GA, and i didn't realize it was going to only be an hour show. i did have fun but that's a lot of money for a tv show where i had to look at miku through another tv (my phone) despite having an good-ish spot on the floor.
if you have a pc and vr headset you can see miku sing and dance as much as you want, more immersive experience
There are also see-through screens and there’s a new type of screen that came project images on it from a computer while still being see-through. Can’t remember what it called. And it’s like plastic wrap
I was just thinking that, ive seen COSPLAYERS use the transparent screens, also youtubers evan and katelyn got one to make a whole ass computer monitor transparent. A youtube couple did more than crunchyroll
@@ItsActuallyKate evan and katelyn should have been in charge of creating the show. imagine the amount of resin they would use lol
I went to the show in Newark and once we were finally let in the merch line wrapped around a city block TWICE and there were 2 people running the merch stand. I had to miss four songs before I ditched and ordered a hoodie online.
Her set list was insanely short for someone with NO STAMINA!!!
I was also disappointed that there was no opener! When she was at NYC in 2016 Anamanaguchi opened for her and debuted Miku!
This show was a HUGE let down compared to 2016
I missed 5 songs and I sometimes regret not ditching earlier. That doesn’t mean the whole concert was bad though. Merch lines are known to be long. It was only ridiculous because there was a shit ton of people.
I was at the same miku concert in Atlanta! It was my first vocaloid concert so I was just happy to be there. The crowd was definitely 80% of the fun. I'm bummed that we didn't get the hologram though.
im a casual fan but i could not imagine the disappointment everyone felt when they realized there was no hologram. its downright criminal that they didnt disclaim that until AFTER the shows started. as always, something like this is all about the fans and not the people running the show, and im glad yall still had a good time
There was NOTHING more frustrating that when they would drop the lights and for just a moment it would look like she was really there. The lights and set were amazing but because they crossed behind the TV they interfered with the illusion!!! It was so frustrating!! Like you're showing me we COULD have had something close to what we thought we were getting when we paid, but no!!!
The crowd energy was for sure the best part. Everyone was so excited and all dressed up. We all lost our mind for the band introduction, which was maybe the most electric part, lol.
Also, attending the Portland show I was AMAZED by how efficient the venue was at getting people in the door, like holy shit. Appreciating that more seeing how you guys got rained on! Jeez!
twitter made a WHOLE ICEBERG of everything that happened at the miku concerts, it was truly a disaster
the dashcon comparison came from someone allegedly peeing on the floor
Thanks Pins for digging through Twitter for our enjoyment 😂
I was very disappointed about missing the VIP tickets, I went to the last one in Barcelona before lockdown and had the best experience of my life so far. Weirdly there was no concert in this location this year so it saddened me even more, but honestly when I saw these videos of that big black screen in the middle and also that feeling of emptiness without the musicians and the big stage changed my mind LOL
And I really don't agree with people trying to defend the screen because at least it looks "brighter" I had no issues with the past screen, Miku and the other Cryptonloids were visible very well, the quality is different indeed but it wasn't needed honestly.
not sure if anyone else has mentioned, but when HololiveEN came to LA they used LED screens and it actually looked incredible. the sets blended into the stage and they made the idols bigger (i think). if the organizers took the LED route i just i wish they would've considered putting more thought into the show.
They actually used this same LED screen at a one day concert a few weeks before the NA tour began but only in Japan did they just like you said they should put stuff around the edges, they did! In Japan. So hmmmm. 🤔smells of Crunchyroll budget cuts.
I also went to the Atlanta Miku Expo! It was my first Miku Expo and I've been a Miku fan since 2015. The people were great, the cosplayers looked amazing. It was fun missing school that day so my mom had time to drive us all the way to Atlanta so we could get in line early. I really wish it was a hologram and yeah I'm still disappointed that it wasn't, but even with the LED screen, I still had a great time! Even my mom who only knows vocaloid because of me, enjoyed it, lmao
Same
Okay so the closest Miku expo to my home was eight hours away so I didn’t buy a ticket. But seeing how the concert turned out, it looks like I dodged a bullet.
Good video, Sarah! It was very informative on why the LED screen looked so awkward.
Mexico's concert is going to be in a week. They just announced the merch we will have, and it's like 1/4 of the merch available in US and Canada, PLUS NO LIGHTSTICKS.
So yeah, they're finishing the tour giving us Mexicans the shortest end of the stick ever lmao.
The stage in Dallas was a little better since they kinda hid the top of the screen but it was sooooo over sold. It was so crowded that people got over heated and passed out and I got hit by a stray light stick.
I requested a full refund as soon as I saw what was going on because I paid almost 300$ for vip, a plane ticket to Atlanta and a hotel stay just to see miku and they turned her into an led screen smaller than what I’ve seen in many conventions, so nope. Nothing could’ve made spending that much money on it worth it unless they actually brought the hologram back. Also the fact they didn’t have enough merch for the vip attendees was crazy. They also didn’t give vip priority so if you actually wanted any merch you would have to be in line for at least 9 hours prior to the concert. It was a huge disaster and that’s without talking about the fact that this miku expo was the most expensive expo in all of her years as an AI idol with tickets in Orlando going for as much as 3000$
I have been waiting for this! Am I a cosplayer? No. Did I know who miku was before you told me in a video? No. Do I sew or ever seen an anime? No. But I absolutely love these videos. I watch them for Sarah’s personality and the crazy effort put into each video. 💛
Honestly at this point I'm blaming Crunchyroll
The way they handled the Ado tour should've been enough for them to stop trying to manage touring.
I am glad you covered this. Everything you said was EVERYTHING I was thinking! Make her bigger, do segmented screens, etc.if you are going to do LED screens.
If you're going to do something, DO IT - The likelihood of this damaging the chances of turnout, sales, and future attendance if this becomes a pattern in the US is not zero. Im only a casual vocaloid fan but I would be livid if I paid more than 40 bucks for the level of 'quality' they gave. And that's being generous. I agree with you - there's so so so many places they could have at least TRIED at ALL, and it would have made the entire experience way better.
I went to the Newark show. It was my first MikuExpo and I've been wanting to go since around 2011, so while I had a good time and I'm glad I went, I WAS a little disappointed too. I was a bit far back in the stadium but not too bad, but afterwards I just thought "Wow, I would've had to cough up front row/pit money if I wanted to have the experience I really came here for." The crowd was AMAZING though, I absolutely adore the energy we all have for the same thing, it's definitely what I'll remember the most.
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I went to the Newark show too! I gotta say it was extremely unorganized and they could have done better with the management. Also waited in a chaotic merch line and was almost late to the beginning of the show. But I made it, and I had a good time anyway. I didn’t like the fact the energy wasn’t as hype as the shows you see on UA-cam :(
@@0livision Interesting! I was able to preorder my merch so I didn't even pay attention to the merch lines? Sad to hear it was unorganized though. :/ My section* of the stadium was going absolutely wild but yeah regardless I can see what you mean. 😭Still I hope you had a good time!
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i bought tickets to the london show... i payed to see the miku hologram bc that's what ive dreamt to see for 10 years. i'm a very sentimental person so i feel like its gonna "ruin" the whole experience for me. i dont know if i should cancel (if thats even possible) and hope that the hologram will come back soon (possibly never will), or go and (worst case scenario) sour the entire concept of vocaloid for me (yeah im serious)
i bought seat tickets on the side (since i cant stand for a long period of time) so any sort of immersion is probably gonna be impossible.. also a trip to the uk just to see miku on a LED screen in my condition is not a good idea but i love vocaloid so much and this might be my only chance
The asking price for attendance in modern economy is literal theft without the one thing they're known for even being provided - I get what you mean, and I'd be the same. If I bit the bullet and spent that much money for a disaster of an experience I'd be less likely to ever take that gamble again - these aren't a weekend movie, these were a quarter to half of someone's paycheck in entry fees. Not ok to be so blatantly uncaring and lazy about it.
jump ship, I went to the good one in 2020 and I can tell you that the hologram is a very important part
The light sticks don’t sync. People are switching the colors manually
I attended Miku Expo London back in 2020 and can say that the hologram definitely felt very real. There's no need to use an LED screen to apparently "see her better". BRING BACK THE MAGIC!!!!!!!
While I'm happy to see more videos talking about the whole Miku Expo thing from bigger creators there are a couple little misconceptions I guess? That I wanted to point out.
The visuals talked about at around 10:55 , this is the song "Ten Thousand Stars" by Circus-P which was the song contest winner for Miku Expo 2016. You can see this exact same choreo/visuals being performed on the "holographic" screen if you look up recordings of MikuExpo 2016. The LED does not give them the ability to use these sort of graphics and imo it looks way cooler on the "hologram" screen
The penlights are NOT bluetooth I have 2 Miku Expo 2024 official glowsticks that I used throughout the Newark, NJ show, the people changing their glowsticks ahead of time just memorized the setlist.
And the message talked about at 15:14 about 3rd party glowsticks, *usually* this is because 3rd party glowsticks are brighter than Miku ones and cause excessively bright reflections onto the panel (and thus could ruin the show a little), not because of them 'syncing' to the music. This year I (personally) fully believe that this rule was still in place so that they could just milk everyone on $40 penlights under the illusion that it was still a "hologram" since the glowsticks went on sale a month before the Vancouver show even happened.
Oof, this is like going to a magician's show to see the "saw someone in half" trick, but then you can see that two people get into the box. Yeah, everyone knows that there won't be real murder, but you came to see the trick!
I'm glad the festive energy wasn't ruined though
Thanks for pointing out the stage issue, i really couldn't pin what was bothering me about the void and how to fix it. Im glad im not the only one that thought the could've done more with the tech.
The "APPRECIATE THE FAN FEEDBACK" was such a huge slap in the face.
I went to miku expo Detroit on the 12th and honestly it was amazing in person! The Led screen doesn’t show up good on camera, but in person its immaculate
Yeah I was in Toronto and I thought it'd be a big deal but it really wasn't! Would I prefer the hologram for the experience? Yes, but it honestly feels more like a bonus and didn't detract from the show unlike what Sarah experienced
OMG seeing how far you were on the crowd, makes me SO SCARED but also happy to see that ?? All the people i see saying "the screen wasn't that bad comon !" ARE IN FRONT OF IT i had so much trouble finding like side views and far away one, cause my place is seated and a bit on the side so i am anxious, and omg on your vids you cna barely see Miku i am soooo scared to not be able to see heeer ToT (i have garbage eyesight too) so thank you for including so many images you found AND took, very insightfull
I will very much still go to the Paris concert because it's only the 3rd time she is coming in France and the first I can go, i CANNOT miss the queen 🙏 but omg i am containing both rage and hype regarding this concert 😭
I was in Toronto on the floor and it was amazing for me! I really thought it would make a bigger difference to the experience than it actually did. The images definitely don't give the same impression as it's hard to get good pictures of a screen or projection for that matter, I hope you have fun!
I went to the atl show as well! It was my first miku concert ever and my friend and I had a really good time.
Like you and many others have said, the crowd was the best part of the show. We were in VIP and everyone was super nice and respectful. I use a cane so I was pretty nervous about hitting people on accident or dropping it but everyone would move to let me through and would make sure I was okay when I did eventually drop it. Also the nicest person who sat next to us pre-show had extra earplugs and was handing them out!
imo, it was worth what we paid and I would recommend going if you have tickets, even if you’re bummed about the hologram!
This was exactly what happen to me as well. Same feeling and Dallas felt the same way as well. Our show did not even have seats and they oversold the venue for our show night and it was not great.
Project Sekai Live Supremacist here (but I do want to go to Magical Mirai one day...)
I was always skeptical about the "physicality" of the holograms but once you see it in person... Just wow. Absolutely crushed that a lot of peeps' first experience with Miku/Vocaloid concerts fell so short of expectations.
Oh hey we went to the same show!! I think I managed to spot my friend and I in some of the footage though and now I wish I had complimented you on your cosplay because I do remember seeing you and getting excited when I saw a Teto
Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that as someone who went to the exact show you're talking about, I found myself agreeing with a lot of what you were saying because I was actually there. While I didn't mind the screen too much, it was a little difficult to see from where I was in the floor (which looked to be ever so slightly in front of you from what I could see) especially since I was shorter than a lot of the people ahead of me. It was also a little disappointing to not have the actual hologram or for the screen to make it easier to see the performance itself, but just being around everyone was such a fun experience. I think the standout to me was when that one person pulled up a picture of the lesbian flag during Gimme x Gimme and Luka's song (I dunno if you were able to see it but I know I took pictures both times), but hearing everyone singing along to World is Mine was one of those moments that made me so glad I decided to go
I do want to correct one thing: at 15:00 you mention that the official light sticks sync with the songs, but you actually had to press a button to cycle through the different colors. I remember trying to anticipate who was going to be on stage and preparing the right color only to have to go back around because it wasn't who I thought it would be (AKA I was expecting Luka and it wasn't her). Unfortunately, that makes the "no outside glow sticks" rule even stranger since it's not as though they messed with the projection or anything. Maybe it was just for the official colors, but that wouldn't explain why they said only Miku Expo light sticks and not just Miku Concert ones
I was wondering if you were gonna discuss this!
I went to the Lady Gaga and Miku tour in Atlanta back in 2014 and was severely underwhelmed with the hologram screen. It just looked like they put a projector on a transparent screen.
I went to the Newark NJ concert, it had the normal complains of the screen is jarring and the merch line is impossible but we did have an extra issue. I think the venue wasn’t ready for the amount of people because they had the VIP line and general all messed up to the point that we had VIP’s entering the venue after the concert already started. It was really a mess I’m Lowkey glad I’m ADA because there wasn’t a chance I would had gotten inside in time otherwise
I got to see miku just 2 days ago and cosplayed gumi! It was disappointing to not have a hologram but I agree that the fans and community made it so so worth it. It was magical and definitely would go again! 💚
I was there and I'm a fan of you and your video's, They are so entertaining and fun. I'll be going to Momocon 2024 and I really hope to see you there this year!!
i dont know how yall managed to be THAT hyped with everything that went wrong with miku expo.. but to be honest, i genuily tought "woah this is just so cool despite the LED screen" when i saw the audience acting all hyped & energetic & crazy like I WANT MORE OF THOSE-
yes ugh, thank you for talking abt this
i went to the show in dc and left early bc i forgot ear protection LOL but i got to meet my online friend so it was so worth it
I was waiting for this video!!!
I got to see Miku twice during the pre-covid Miku Expo's in LA. The first one was such an incredible experience. We got free glow sticks, I bought so much merch, and it was such a banger show. The second one they defiantly pinched pennies and it wasn't as explosive as the first, but I still had a good time. Both times had "hologram" vocaloids. I would have been beyond upset if I went this year and probably would have walked out if I found out during the show. I'm sorry to everyone who had to experience Miku this way. No video of the "hologram" can do it justice. When you see it live it truly feels like she's there and there is weight. If they do it again I hope they don't make the same mistake again.
I was a Venue Stage builder from the Austin concert.
First and foremost all of the stage elements are 2D, all of the Buildings are straight lines and use diagonal perspectives while hung from the overhead Trusses in layers. Nothing like the R3 Cubes.
2nd the issue with the glass panel is likely weight and fragility, the longer glass is the thicker it needs to be or it will fracture on the road between shows. All of the equipment is road crew, nothing locally sourced. The Road crew Iirc was 3 or 4 semis and a penski truck. Each truck loaded Full without long slabs of glass.
3rd as stage crew manipulating the glass from truck to stage would be an anxiety nightmare. If crew broke it you bet we get docked on it.
LEDs are far lighter, break down into road cases 10-20 panels per case and those cases can be stacked 2-3 high.
LEDS also take only 120w/h per panel to power at max brightness and a full video wall can cost 10k. Where as a single projector on the low side is 1,700w/h the body costs upwards of 30k and the lenses are 3-5k each. Mind you 60-80% of the LED panels are off at any one time for the majority of the show, and they pay for electricity at each venue.
As much as i would have loved to see the projectors. Crypton was likely waiting for LED tech to reach a resolution and density thats on par to the projector, and likely to keep it that way.
splatoon live concert got the hologram look
I wondered if this video was coming. I was rewatching some of your videos and heard you say about buying tickets to see the hologram... I'd literally just seen the news on tiktok about the LED screen 😬I'd have been in the refund crowd but I'm really glad you made the most of it and had a good time!
I was at the Prudential center in Newark at may 7th to see the show. The stadium has two main entrances, the m and ms tower and the citizens tower. Originally the merch booths were supposed to open at two but around a week before they changed it to 6 PM because they could not secure a spot outside for the merch booth. Which I think they should have planned to set up inside sooner, as anyone who’s been to there before knows it’s on the middle of a busy street with basically no safe areas to set up the booth🤷♀️.
Me and my friends waited 3 hours in front of the prudential center to get in and buy merch, which at this point in the tour had been known to run out quickly. The door were supposed to open at six but at six no one was even near the doors yet to start set setting up the security checkpoint. They started showing up around 6:30 PM to 6:45 PM I’m not exactly sure but around then. We could see the Prudential center employees arguing with some guy who had some company uniform on. I’m not sure which company tho. at seven they started playing the Prudential Center opening warnings which sounds like you’re going on a fucking roller coaster. By the way everyone thought that oh since they’re playing the warning, it should be when the warning is over the warning then was blasted into our faces for 30 minutes.
At this point remember that the doors are opening an hour late and now you have to sit there for 30 minutes as the credential center warning audio is playing and it sounds exactly like the voice opening for a lot of roller coasters at Six Flags in New Jersey, people start to get a little rowdy.
People started being called from the back of the lines at our entrance to go around the building, which I thought meant the doors weren’t open yet they were just splitting the lines because there were too many people there. Turns out they let the entire line in at the citizens tower. The VIPs were not lead in first as they were promised, and an entire entrance of the line who had been there for like three hours was let in after the entire line at the citizens Tower was. The second we walked in the line for the merch was running literally around the potential center hallways going in a circle around the stadium. I was genuinely confused when I got there cause I couldn’t find the the end of the line. The merch booths were on opposite ends from each other and they literally looped so much that the lines got tangled. Only 20 minutes until the concert so most people left the birch lines, but people stayed in the merch line for the entire concert just to get merch. Literally thousands of people in that line and there were only six people working at three at each booth.
Of course they ran out of light stick pretty fucking quickly, and the crowd was left diminished visually because around 2/3 of the people were missing light sticks .
After the concert, people wanted to get back in the merch line, which at this point was only selling stickers and canvas bags. However, around immediately exiting the concert We were rushed out by staff not even being let to Use the bathroom. I heard from a friend that the merge lines ended up getting kicked out to around 10 minutes later which was still an incredibly long line.
That generally sounds like a nightmare. it’s sad because I’m not surprised for New Jersey😅
I didn't really understand why everyone was upset. I get it now.
i was also at ATL!!!! i REALLY enjoyed myself, but to be fair i;
1) only paid $130 for floor tickets because of resale
2) was in the very front. like 3 rows of people away from the stage (got to witness the garfield vs miku plush battle up close!)
the illusion up close was obviously better than if you were sitting on the sides or up higher, but still evident, and a hologram would have been miles cooler. to their credit, the screen quality was AMAZING up close. but for the majority of the venue not getting to be close enough AND the screen being so small to enjoy that is SO unfair. glad to hear you enjoyed yourself nonetheless! the live music was sooo good, and the energy from everybody can't be compared.
I was there at ATL too and enjoyed the concert too.
I love your input on this
I love how it's not just blasting it for being cheap, but blasting it for being lazy artistically. It's a much more interesting perspective imo
If the person I was going with wasn't insistent on still going and it was my decision alone, I would have definitely sold my tickets upon learning about the screen.
I still had fun, but I really wanted the hologram effect. I was pretty underwhelmed, especially by the effects like you said. They could have done way more to make up for it. This was the most expensive concert I've ever gone to so I'm just a little salty.
That being said, the band did really well ~
Same here! The concert was pretty good, but I had to rely on the band to get energy from the concert. Every time I looked at the vocaloids and their completely dark background it just took me out of it and made me remember that they weren't really there.
Hopefully I can go to a different Miku concert that actually has the projection
I had a really good time on the April 17th show and it was amazing
I was at the Dallas show and I personally had an AMAZING time, our venue was a lot smaller than the others and I feel like this had a big affect on the experience. From the angles I saw of the concert the illusion was pretty solid and it only really looked like a TV when I thought about it or when they used a lot of white lighting. The crowd was amazing, the live band was great, and I would go again in a heartbeat!
Miku and the others are also voiced by actually singers too and was put in the voice bank. (In my collage days a few of my colleagues thought she was completely computerized generated)
I went to Miku Expo 2024 in Detroit a few days ago. Yes, I was disappointed about the screen and the illusions not working. However, I had an amazing time! Some of my favorite songs were played. Heck, I cried at the end (I’m not an emotional person so if that doesn’t say something idk what does). I’ve been a VOCALOID fan for years now and I’ve dreamed about going to a show. I finally did after years upon years of dreaming. It was amazing!! I really enjoyed it, but I do wish there were holograms and the true Miku illusions. I guess I’ll let this slide because it’s my dream come true. However, next time, I’m seriously going to be very disappointed. I traveled 5 hours for this too. I really want to see the magic happen :(
(Everyone was really nice at the venue so that was cool! I also saw someone dressed as Elmo referencing that one show ((I think it was San Josie but idk for sure)). Everyone put their lights to red and started cheering! The energy there was incredible!!)
at the phoenix show the led had a panel or pixel or something that was glitching and it was so sad how they give us an led screen and can't even get that perfect😭 still so fun tho i was in the vip section and we went CRAZYYY
Went to the same atlanta show. I had a blast. I wasn't as disappointed as I expected, but I was in the vip section close to the front. Can't say the same for people in the stands, but I felt super bad for the short people in the vip section.
completely agree omg i’m so upset
As someone who lives in NYC and saw every single live show minus the very first one, this was a huge disappointment. Every other show was glass projection. you'd see people in the very front basically leading the wotagei. I used to grab seats in the balcony and I'd still be exhausted from the energy in the room. I'm so glad they moved her from the Hammerstein to the Jersey because I didn't feel the urge to go anymore.
god... even Honkai Star Rail had holo-projectors...
Can’t wait to watch 🎉
I recently saw a show where the hologram was achieved by having a meshy partially transparent screen that the images were projected on. It was really cool! Definitely better than the LED screen. This was for a Deko and Friends and Yameii show in Vancouver.
I LOVE YOUR OUTFIT OMG!!
Omg Im so early!! ALSO THE BREAD EARRINGS?? 🫶
i was lucky enough to go to miku expo in 2018, where they did use the pepper's ghost "hologram" and it was GORGEOUS in person. it was one of those moments where you freak out bc you can't believe your eyes. i scored tickets early on and relatively cheap (~$120 usd for two GA tickets) for miku expo 2024, and planned to fly my partner down so he could finally see it in person like i did in 2018. we are both obsessed with technology like this and he works in/with projection design, so it's important to us. i was also excited to see it again now having adult money and time to get there when i want and stand in line and engage with the community. we were both really disappointed to hear the news when the vancouver and portland shows happened. we still had fun, i brought my 2018 lightstick and my partner and i took turns sharing it bc we couldn't get our hands on a 2024 lightstick due to the stocking issues. overall, we are really disappointed and had pretty much all the same thoughts you did on the matter. they could have gone about this in a LOT of different and better ways, even if they still refused to use the R3 method. i hope we get to see the hologram illusion in person again someday! :[
I live in the Vancouver area and when I heard about the concert, I really really wanted to go, but luckily/unluckily I got sick and we can’t even get tickets in the first place lol
My experience with Miku Expo was incredible. It was the happiest I've ever been in my entire life. The crowd was amazing and we did not care that it was a screen, we all still treated it like Miku was there. The band was having the time of their life, and the energy of the building made it easy to forget to be worried about the screen. I thought the stage layout was ugly in videos, but I liked it more when it allowed for so much color to be present on stage at once. The song choices made it feel like it was the Miku Expo I was meant to go see. I had never felt so connected to so many people at once and it was enough to make me cry, and I still do when I think back on it. It was such a double edge sword because with it being such a happy moment for me, I've had horrible post-concert depression since then and want to go back so bad. I would give up so much and go through every negative thing in my life a second time to re-experience it.
Everything outside of the show however is very disappointing. The lack of communication and merch stockage is horrendous. I feel bad for VIPs that didn't receive a VIP bag after they spent so much on their seats. Not to mention this morning, they announced they're not even going to try to sell light sticks at the Mexico show for "shipping seasons" 🙄 and while having exclusive merch, there's also not even close to the number of selections they have for literally every other show. It feels like such a trainwreck and scummy. The show was life changing, but Miku Expo as a whole has a lot of BIG problems. I really hope things are made right with merch and that future shows are better handled in every way if they even do any. I'll only get to experience a Miku concert for the first time once. While mine didn't get to be a projection, I hope other's first can have that experience.