Bruce Lee saw further into the future. He saw that just having one style/discipline wasn't enough. He was about fighting in the street as it was survival compared to a ring/squared circle with rules and such. Bruce had ideals of mixing different disciplines and taking what is useful in all of them and adding them to his own and training hard. "Take what is useful and discard what is useless".
Bruce lee wasnt the first person that discovered that..... it was a General Qi Jiguang in the 1500s that came up with that.... and it became a standard until the last uprising in 1860
Ngl, I was just expecting him to make some spiteful jab at Wing Chun but he actually made some good points that I intend to bear in mind when I’m training
You are actually right Sifu. I've been teaching Wing Chun for only 1 year, and have just recently switched how my students attack eachother during sparing sessions using realistic approaches to street fighting. They love the classes even more now. Thankyou for the lesson 🙏 Sifu D.
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I trained with a ving tsun practitioner from Germany that was amazing. The difference is his school did pressure testing, full contact sparring against boxers, karate, wrestlers, etc. It makes all the difference as what you're practicing has real world application instead of just theoretical situations based on drills against your own style.
Anatolian ok.... lack of training, lack of confidence, lack of knowledge, lack of self belief.... You could know every move from every martial art ever.... but if you can't understand them then you lose
That's true but it's also very incomplete. While the fighter is the most important thing, and his skill level, mindset, aggressiveness, toughness, physical fitness, etc. taken altogether this is what really will decide who wins; it's also true that some styles are more effective than others. Some martial arts are simply better grounded in reality, and if you want to become a competent fighter it's best not to waste your time and money learning things that won't be effective in the real world. This was the very thing that led Bruce Lee to criticize "the classical mess" of martial arts that had become ossified, hidebound with rigid adherence to tradition, and lost their effectiveness as fighting styles are the art got emphasized over the martial. It's also what led him to abandon Wing Chun and create Jeet Kune Do after his fight with Wong Jack Man in Oakland, when he found Wing Chun didn't work as effectively in that fight as he'd thought it would going into the encounter.
I think that is where Bruce Lee was going with his JKD. It is the idea of adapting what you need to so that it fits your skills set. I would have loved to see what he would have grown into had he not passed away.
When you do a martial art for self defence, I don’t think you ever really think it is about taking on another martial artist. It is about giving you a chance of handling some untrained thug who wants to rob you. If there are trained martial artist muggers out there then it really has gone all wrong.
When you are untrained you at least have your natural martial insincts in tact. But when you practice bullshiido you lose that. Probably an untrained opponent has an easier time with you if you have delusions of martial prowess.
Taxtro you should never have delusions of your ability, whatever you have trained in. Anyone can get caught out particularly if they don’t see it coming. Always best to keep your wits about you, but don’t invite trouble. Use conversation to get out of a situation if you can, but best not to get on one in the first place. It is about a subtle balance between not being too timid which can invite trouble and not too arrogant that can invite trouble. Keep the brain going and good luck all.
You are usually correct in that assumption. Most REAL martial artists, not including all the mma clowns, boxers, and jiu jitsu idiots, are trained in humility, and would not intentionally start a fight. That does not apply to mma or jiu jitsu though, whose main thing is bragging and bolstering their little girly egos! Usually ANY good martial art, even crappy ones like boxing or muay thai, and maybe even jiu jitsu, if it is a one-on-one scenario against a thug (single thug, not multiple), someone inexperienced or someone with only limited experience, will work on the streets. But against REAL experienced opponents, they would lose because of their system and the fact they are not fully trained in all street scenarios, so that would leave them at a loss for a response, which, by the way, slows response time and would allow the opponent's strike, kick, or take down, to work.
Everyone does it for different reasons. Untrained has nothing to do with it....one to the jaw and your ass is sleep...there goes all that tuition you paid.
Stupid advice. Something can happen anywhere at anytime, even in “nice places”. Also you won’t be able to be with “nice friends” all the time. You need a new instructor
William your instructor used a figure of speech to emphasize a very good point and that is choosing good people to be around and places where mostly violence doesn't hang around. Indeed it's wise advice. Having said that, if I may add my two cents worth: 1) even when we take those safety measures, we must always be in a position mentally and physically to tap into a violent self. Your instructor of course knows that and this is why he teaches some fighting art. He was just referring to a dimension of safety, which is making right choices in order to avoid violence as much as it's in our hands. 2) I will just disagree with the term "self-defense;" maybe you or he was using it loosely. By this I mean, his advice actually refers to self-protection, not self-defense, since the second specifically refers to actively fending off a threat as it manifests. -- Keep practicing whatever you practice realistically, with all the benefits it may come with, always being aware that violence can show up anywhere, even in a church, a police station, in your friend's home, anywhere; no need to be paranoid, but being aware of the level of your safety is wise. Have a blessed day.
Bruce Lee understood that a fighting style needs the ability to adapt and grow. This is why he created the concept of Jeet Kune Do. Yes, it's more of a concept than a fighting "Style". So much so, that no two people should do Jeet Kune Do the same. Not if you're true to the form. I highly recommend Bruce Lee's book. Excellent insight.
MsDYap is correct Ip Man refused to teach Bruce Lee Bui Jee as he knew that he was just a thug and would misuse the knowledge and it was the fact that he was not allowed to complete his wing chun training that forced him to take up every other style he could find. JKD is not a style as you say it is just every technique from every system therefore there is no underlying philosophy or strategy behind they moves so they are just individual moves. The reason systems are effective is they have an underlying strategy like for example in wing chun you have many moves but to use them effectively you must understand and apply triangle theory, centre line theory, understand lines of attack and defense, conservation of movement, shortest line, simultaneous attack and defense, slow attacks, etc Knowing the moves from wing chun and other systems is just the sum of the parts, you are missing the vast majority of the art it's self and so will not be an effective fighter. The only things you will pull out in a real situation are reactions, so if you have just learned every technique from every system you will not be able to apply them as no single technique will have been drilled 10s of thousands of times to make it muscle memory, so it will never come out if you need it. So I'm not saying JKD is a terrible system but I think that for it to be effective you need to first have a black belt in some other style and then use that as a foundation to work off and then use techniques from other systems to then fill the holes in your style rather than try and learn everything from the start and be a jack of all trades and master of none.
Wow, look at the dislikes. This guy is correct one hundred percent. A person who is significantly larger than yourself can EASILY straight up ignore your punches at 135 pounds, throw haymakers, and aside from you running away you WILL lose.. Period.. People on the street tackle, they rely heavily on surprise first attacks or sucker punches and very high energy exchanges. Regardless of how effective these attacks are, if you and Wing Chun are sitting there and get hit by a guy that's in good shape at 175-200lb, he will either straight knock you out or severely knock you completely off balance with the sheer weight of a blow.. All I'm saying, if you're 135lb and practice Wing Chun, the first punch you try to block or redirect, the second that larger person gets ahold of you and tackles you to the ground in an attempt to simply maneuver your tiny body into a susceptible position, you are going to receive multiple, potentially fatal punches. 7/10 times they won't stop after you go to sleep either, they will bash you until they are either pulled off of you or they severely damage you, potentially perminantly. So if you think your Wing Chun at 135lb can outmatch a 210lb kickboxer with some high school wrestling or other grappling experience, I encourage you to go to a local certified kickboxing gym and sign a waiver and then do three rounds with a large guy who has 2-3 years experience.. HE WILL DROP YOU PERIOD.
That’s why Bruce Lee changed the game. He knew there were problems with wing chun, so he focused on a style that was more conventional when it came to street fighting.
@@dillonpersel8561 he was ,there were lot of British ppl he beat when he was like in a gang in Hong Kong, then he beat someone in a boxing fight in his high school life and yea he might not have been in tournaments cuz he wanted to use his wushu for the streets and he did go against many gangs and he lived so like he did bish
You are so dam right! I been telling other WC instructors about what you are telling us now and they would get mad at me. I have and seen WC students get knock out by boxer type punches over and over! But they still train the same old ways. That's why I change my WC to fit todays street fighters and it has saved my butt many times. Thank for you video.
This is a great video. I have only been studying Wing Chun for about 10 months now and this video is something that I feel I needed to see. You make some phenomenal points in regards to the style and how it worked in the past. The style can still work now, only with modern adjustments. Well said. Thank you for your video.
Thank you for this video. I was raised with Wing Chun as the primary style I learned, use, and to this day it is my point of comfort and the source of my spiritual training. It’s a good style but I was a child that got in a lot of fights. I guess I looked at it like a math equation. It was a concept and structure for training, but I knew fighting and it wasn’t what you’d use. I’m a few months from forty, so Bruce Lees teaching to be like water had deep meaning to me. I’d play with it, let it flow. The concept was to make your powerful center line attacks win the fight and find ways to allow your opponent to fall into them. My dad would always say, “a great fighter only needs a few techniques, but those techniques are perfect.” Blocking seemed to lose initiative, so l’d practice it as a struck, misdirection, or interception. I’d meditate on the fights before I really had any idea that it was meditation. The Marine Corps taught me to shut my mouth and I stopped getting into fights. The peace and calm of the practice still guides me and seems like the most important part of the art. I still practice and had a bit of a play with a boxer and I shocked him. The fighting didn’t look like Wing Chun, from what I saw. I find that part irrelevant, however; as whenever my mind isn’t clear or there is something weighing me down I just start doing my forms and I feel new.
Why is this comment getting no attention. I completely agree with you the whole point of martial arts are two suit to user body and mind and if you stick to the purely traditional movements anything that is not taught will be foreign and unexpected which can catch you off-guard
You make absolute sense. We role play and watch real fights to mimic and use those as examples to go up against; go for the WT against some other style of sparring. However, our head is against the sky and our chin is set back, not sticking up.
It's like Karate, there are 3 different versions of it though the same method, everyone does it differently, Wing Chun is also in that category as well where you can learn it traditionally or not, I'm learning this martial arts again after so many years, as I took it at the age of 13 but I have been out of practice for a very long time, and now I have recently got back into it. My cousin and my Uncle who have been doing this martial arts for years now, my cousin told me that the most important thing with Wing Chun "and this is like this for all other martial arts as well" is the stance, you want to get the stance right, doesn't matter how good your techniques are, doesn't matter how good you are in a fight, if your stance isn't good enough; they can easily knock you out of balance and you can make a complete fool out of yourself.
@@legendarystormmartialartsg3573 Then your cousin and uncle are incompetents. Stances are training tools to learn and deliver proper techniques from. They have no idea what they are talking about and are already making complete fools of themselves if they're learned practitioners of several years. "doesn't matter how good your techniques are, doesn't matter how good you are in a fight, if your stance isn't good enough," that is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. What matters are your technique and fighting skills, not your stance. The more skilled you are, the less you rely on forms and stances. Trying to maximize balance or "rooting" yourself will sacrifice footwork, angling, range/distance and any other adaptation in a real fight. Dynamic balance (not stance-based) is what you need. Also a Wing Chun stance has so many things wrong with it from a biomechanical standpoint. Your uncle and cousin sound like they are practicing in a mcdojo and/or watch too many Ip Man movies.
Appreciate the honesty from a Kung fu practitioner, and it was good to see you running the video between your commentary, with you and your mate, showing how unrealistic it is, with none of the strikes directed towards a vital target, with hands down and chin up.
What so many people and "Martial Artists" coninuously seem to fail to understand is that the style is nothing more than a style. It is on the person training to be able to apply the style in the most practical and efficient way. The person needs to be good enough to use the style in the best possible way. Relying on style will get your teeth kicked in. You need to be proficient enough to respond and apply as the situation presents itself. People rely too much on style and thats why they stand with their chin up and fists out. Because it looks like it. But if you really understood how to use a style to suit yourself, you would not have the issue of the style being useess, the issue would be you are useless. Style or not.
I totally agree with you mate him putting down a style is his Personal opinion, And experience he should have titled this why wing chun doesn't work for me.
I too am a Ip Man linage student of 8 years. I completely agree with what you are saying. We train just like you, we thow what ever we like at our oponent and has to deal with it. For me learning the techniques and concepts isn't enough, you to learn how to hit really really hard, which means hitting wall bags/heavy bags/developing Hand speed from all angles, don't stand there chain punching thinking that's enough. People say I'd use finger jabs, when the shit kicks off you won't even think about using them, knock him out.
Andrew summer I agree. Leung Sheung lineage here. Sparring is EXTREMELY needed, as well as working wall and heavy bags. I do think the principles are the most valuable part of Wing Chun
What's really important is knowing the whole traditional system. Otherwise, certain crucial elements are missing that help the system work properly and efficiently, like proper footwork, proper way to close the distance, and most importantly, the TEN CONCEPTS, which not only dictate proper response to an attack (because it is a guideline or outline on how to make the system work properly, giving it flexibility), but takes out all initial flaws found in other systems and like I said, gives the system incredible flexibility. You will not find this in any modified wc system, only in traditional, and that is because only traditional uses all ten concepts at once, and not five or six out of ten. Punching is all-well-and-good, but if you can't use your techniques and initial contact to determine the type and direction of the strike, so you can either push the hand past the center, causing an opening you can exploit, then punching hard is worthless! In the case of a boxer, you MUST know how to make and MAINTAIN contact (as per wong shun leung) and be able to follow in his center of mass in (again, maintaining contact with the arm), trapping the arm and leg, and finishing the fight QUICKLY! If you can't do that, then no amount of punching strength is going to help you if you are unconscious!! GET IT???? So I suggest everyone learn the ten concepts and use them when you spar then fight. And make sure to use all ten at the same time! Even taking one out, like the triangle, will weaken the structure and cause an opening your opponent can exploit.
There are very few life-long practioners of an martial art who can have the courage to say their art does not work. Not just a bad practioner, but the art itself is bad. I see 1,300 who can't. Great video and great truth.
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Wing chun doesnt work in spar situations its usualy because the fighter isnt trying to kill his opponent, its definitely used as a self defense best utilize by people who dont look capable in a fight. Big supporter in wingchun myself but i 100% with this dude. 👌
U forget wing chun not only hit chin.. They poke eyes, nose, throat, groin, knee and other part of your body.. Thats why gotta learn from the best wing chun practioners not just from a guy who throw a center line punches and said by themselves "I teache Wing Chun" :)
I've been training Wing Chun for about two months and frequently we practice some no WC kicks and boxing (some other advanced students are into grappling, for example). My Sifu tells us WC is not enough by itself (actually any martial arts), you must have some other "set of tools" in order to defend yourself succesfully. Good video.
If you go to a real school you will find out Wing Chun is a good style..It takes alot of time and practice but if you go up against a real black belt they will fuck you up bad.
Sifu Jason Korol has become a shill. Jason is spreading misinformation --- to discredit Wing Chun. In the description, Jason even refers to Wing Chun as "fake martial arts".
LoL exactly. If you're a male you have knockout power period if you know how to throw a punch ESPECIALLY a boxer. Some feather weights can throw harder than heavyweights. Its all subjective on the individual not the weight of the individual. Although heavier weight will give you a slight advantage if the fighter is untrained and has no punching technique
way to miss his point. Yes flyweights can KO people but in general the higher weight classes are going to punch harder. bigger people also have a longer reach on average.
Not as much. not very many 1 punch out cold KOs under middle weight either. it is usually combos and most the time the KOd opponent is still awake in the lighter weight classes. no feather weight pro boxers hit as hard as heavy weight pro boxers they just don't.
it's because they train for the long distance, and not for the KO IN 30 SECONDS IN THE FIRST ROUND! TO KO SOMEONE IS EASY IF TRAIN FOR IT. I JUST HEADBUTT SOMEONE IN THE CHIN AND THEY GO TO SLEEP!
My brother figured out how to get around my Wing Chun with a right hook and slapped the crap out of me. I first started Wing Chun training in 1981 under Lee Moy Shawn student of Moy Yat (Bruce lee Classmate) from Honk Kong to help me with my boxing. Although, I had trained in boxing 1979-81 but never sparred. I crossed into PKA kick boxing (Gym) and got whipped. I initially thought that Wing Chun would help me in that sport and it didn't. I later became a Golden Glove Champion in boxing. Although, I never competed in MMA, I would say that boxing is the roughest sport (Not saying superior). You will feel like you're going to die. Hence, this is why many great MMA strikers will not go into the square circle for Million dollar opportunites, but you see Low level boxers and kick boxers crossing into the UFC.
Well that’s why weight classes exist in boxing too. A 220 lb guy against 150 lb guy is most likely to win. Unless the 220 lb guy has absolutely zero fighting skill.
Student Chao Ren yeah this part of his video heavily confused me. Weight makes things exponentially harder for every body. Not sure what point was trying to be proved there.
Oh it get's worse than that... I went to a tournament once (just to watch), and this guy turned up in a white belt and proclaimed "all I've really done is punched trees". He won. And he won embarrassingly easily. All the rest of them had just punched air for points.
@pseudoswitch We can play armchair warrior all day long, but I've spent enough time around martial artists to know that you quickly separate the fighters from the people who are there for the 'art' / fitness etc and in almost every case I believe the men I refer to (they were mostly men) could ALL fight *before* they set foot in a dojo / kwoon. All the crap about whether they could roll with an experienced BJJ practitioner or get in the ring with a good amateur boxer is just that : crap. Marathon runners and 400M runners all go to the Olympics as 'runners' but their training and the environment they run in is completely different. People run marathons right into their 80s - one guy is over 100 - but I doubt that too many last in shorter track events beyond 35 or so. I'm not saying that an exceptional athlete wont still be able to do Muay Thai in his 50s, but I can guarantee you that in Thailand even the trainers would shake their heads at that thought. Does spending 30 years perfecting WC or any other traditional art make one the best fighter in town ? Of course it doesnt, but compared to a lot of washed up boxers, chances are that the rest of the traditional practitioner's life is a whole lot better for the time invested. All of that is a long-winded way of saying that anyone who spends a good portion of their life learning to deliver power to specific points on a human body isn't someone your average mindless thug really needs to antagonize, and anyone with any serious training regimen isn't hanging around bars thinking about whether they should be spending more time sticking hands or working the wooden dummy ;)
@@arthurwatts1680 absolutely true and to the point. I have friends who practice full contact karate, no not the fake crap many thinking of, actual contact sparring, the old school way of training such as numbing the shins to be able to block low kicks, no pads nothing. The true is like you said, someone that has trained with instructors worth their title and went through the routines can and will destroy the average Joe out in the street.
@my journey One of many in 2020, it would seem, but there is traditional training and there's what many in the combative arts refer to as 'immersion training'. I would NEVER expect a boxing trainer to put one of his fighters in a room with a group intent on doling out physical pain - that's not what amateur boxers sign up for - but that's the acid test for anyone who wants to be able to talk about their ability to actually fight in a situation that very few instructors are prepared to subject them to. Even Kyokushin karate - a style that prides itself on the full-contact element - doesn't allow hand or elbow strikes to the head. I was stunned when I saw that FMA includes biting and eye-gouging as valid techniques - not something most clubs would be happy to advertise in the West, but undeniable realities in the world outside the safe confines of a club/kwoon/dojo. I'm not questioning anyone's qualifications - just pointing out that the one advantage a criminal has over the rest of us is that he/she has no qualms about leaving another human being maimed or worse, and will revert to that feral state in a heartbeat. Throw in drugs and alcohol and you're asking a normally civil human being (regardless of training, most martial artists are civil human beings) to go from zero to one hundred and I just dont believe that happens in a club with people you trust to show a duty of care. The Okinawans had zero problems with the notion that (some) Samurai would happily kill them, leaving their family without a breadwinner, and if that is the situation in your city, I'd strongly suggest you look at moving ASAP ;)
This guy is right. I was a martial artist who studied gung fu in the 70’s due to Bruce Lee. Had a buddy studying Wing Chun so we would go full contact in our backyards and he would get pummeled by us because he would get stuck on his back leg and try to hit us with those straight punches and no power. Squared up and no footwork. Later I got into Boxing and most of what I learned was useless.By learning boxing footwork and how to punch with leverage from Boxing made my martial arts training more valuable for realistic fighting. Just knowing your going to get hit and not over reacting was the key in my confidence. I had guys come in saying they hit the speed bag real good and they did but couldn’t apply it of course. Or they come in murdering the heavy bag trying to impress. Then they try to spar and now they are missing getting hit in return and then they disappear.I’ve been coaching boxing now for 30 plus years now but I still love the practical martial arts like what you guys are doing.
Wing Chun is a good base for training. Been studying it for years and not once have I gotten into a fight and lined up with someone trying to hurt me. I use the concepts and fundamentals then add effective moves. I sample from dozens of styles but my base is solid through Wing Chun. Most people don't understand that you have to think about real world applications. Not training conditions.
In all honesty martial arts have calmed me down. It let me be able to realize I don't need to fight. I can just refuse it unless I can't walk away. But no one ever gave me any shit because they knew what I did and was scared. I admit i'm not very good at fighting but I didn't tell them that. I let the rumor keep me trouble free. And when confronted I showed no fear of a fight or getting hit which confused people into leaving me alone
@@matkasim If you have half a brain, you'd realize MMA stands for Mixed Martial Arts. Multiple styles, multiple applications. Nobody is gonna only use one type of martial art in an actual ring fight.
Carzo Parazzo It needs to be erased, gung fu doesn't work. You need grappling style, like catch Wrestling, Russian Sambo, Judo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and striking style of Boxing, Kick Box/ Muay Thai Traditional martial arts don't work in fight against someone who knows how to fight.
No, it does NOT! You only need to know the whole traditional system for it to work properly. He only knew 2/3rds of the modified system and THAT is why he thought his modified wc was stiff and rigid and incomplete, because IT WAS!
I agree, it makes sense, Its not like everyone on the street is a martial arts expert who fights in a specific fighting style. You make a great point. 🤘
Exactly!! Perfect point made!! Been trying to talk this thinking up with various people. The art was developed in a certain place, at a time, within circumstances... to handle the variables and developments of those considerations. The art is practical and the concepts are entirely sound. I have used some basic wing chun motions against a puncher and had him surprised, but that was with/after studying boxing before i knew wingchun movements, so I was able to engineer my wing chun motion to neutralise the boxing actions. But wing chun kung fu was developed to handle other styles of kung fu. Once you are elsewhere, it is necessary to advance the expression of your art in application against other "types of movement". Boxing is a system of movement...ju jutsu, tae kwon do, muay thai, kali, kalaripayathu...types and systems of movement. Yes the human body is the same everywhere in the world but its abilities are so dynamic. We must think of what we face and, keeping our system principles and fundamentals, advance our craft to handle other things. Because it can be made to do so!! I also love Aikido, as it was begun, conceptually. A friend of mine who is an ex soldier, was shocked when I was able to set him off balance and set up for a throw, using aikido principles and basics. Not that fairy soft business people do when they dance around like clouds. I mean Aikido that looks like old Aikibujutsu but with more circular (turn) and angular (enter) actions, that have opponents guessing whats happening next. Atemi strikes and everything. I think wing chun practitioners MUST study the concepts and motions of punching styles, kicking styles and grappling styles...it must be learnt and known how these things feel and how they work...and then evolve wing chun. That doesnt mean losing traditional wing chun folks. It means honoring the founders and progressing the craft for them to be proud to have left it to us.
Hi Jason, what happened to the girl in the thumbnail? I noticed she is not in the video. Did she get punched while you were making the movie? I hope she is ok.
“Wing Chun will only work in a bathroom stall!” -Bruce Lee Wing Chun is not as effective as it used to be. However, it contains efficient techniques for a self defence situation, but is just too restricted in mobility and range especially for it to be used effectively on its own. Notice how in any Competition or MMA match that the fight starts from a far distance between each fighters, whereas in a self-defence situation, the fight starts from a much closer distance. It is incredibly unpredictable with how a self-defence situation could begin, but in that 1 short moment where you have 1 second to react to the attacker(s) right in front of you, then for that close range attack of yours to work, you must strike first and be direct, as to not waste time and end the situation as quickly as possible before the actual fighting begins. Now, here is where Wing Chun is most useful, as you can use the tight, close range punches it contains to stun the attacker and run off, which you should always do.If you cannot run away, then you have a chance to follow up on your next attack from the opening you have just created using Wing Chun. This was the idea of Jeet Kune Do, that you use what was best for the situation and YOU. You absorb what is useful and reject what is not. In this case you would have used Wing Chun, as that was the best approach to creating the opening you needed to escape to situation. The close range attacks were necessary, and if you had to carry on the fight, now you could use the opening to continue the fight, using anything, such as boxing, Muay Thai or a nice kick to the groin. Pretty much anything to get home safe.
JKD is a second-rate system filled with flaws, stiffness, and rigidity! Traditional wing chun is complete and does not have any initial flaws if you know the whole system. Boxing, Muay Thai and the rest suck for the streets. They are incomplete and crappy. It is not restricted in mobility and footwork in the traditional form.
No, I didn't. JKD is shit and uses very little wing chun. It uses flawed, and stiff systems, like boxing, Muay Thai, karate, tkd, kickboxing, and jiu-jitsu, which are incomplete and suck for the streets. Wing chun does the forms, which instill into the practitioner, muscle memory, making the response AUTOMATIC and INSTANTANEOUS!! Since they don't do that in JKD, the response changes under stress, or they learn the techniques, footwork or responses INCORRECTLY, which might cause the attack to get through, especially if the person is fatigued. JKD also uses a crappy footwork that is weak. They use fencing, which stands sideways. This means, you are now relying on the hip stabilizer muscles and NOT the larger muscles of the legs, back and buttocks, making it very easy to take you down, sweep the leg, or get behind you because of the smaller area you are showing. They don't use the ten concepts also, which takes out all initial flaws found in other systems like boxing or boxing derivative systems. The ten concepts also give wing chun it's incredible flexibility, which is missing in JKD because it uses crappy, stiff and rigid systems.JKD is a second-rate system!! BL was successful with it because he was almost SUPERHUMAN in speed and power! No one else is like Bruce Lee! This is the ONLY reason he was able to get away with using this crappy system!
@@OfficialVirilamis It works everywhere because that is the intent of the system. I know that JKD is a second-rate system that uses flawed and stiff systems, unlike traditional wing chun, which does not! You AREN'T Bruce Lee and THAT is why this crappy system worked for him, because he was nearly superhuman in speed and power, and you are not!
The major reason why your Wing Chun doesn't work is that you don't put enough sparring (which are as real life as possible or full contact as possible) in your training sessions. This rationale not only applies to Wing Chun, but it also applies to any other martial art or styles like Karate, Taekwondo, Shao Lin, Muay Thai or Boxing etc. If you learn Muay Thai or boxing etc but have no sparring sessions, you will not do well in real fights or in fighting tournaments.
Why does everyone say that some styles are outdated and thier style is not. There are only so many ways to use your body. And there has only ever been one person that ever did JKD properly and that was Bruce Lee, it was his Wing chun.
What a pathetic defense. Wing chun is taught as a martial arts to clueless people thinking it will make them better fighters and here you are defending it claiming that only person ever did it right. Nonsense and besides the point.
No it wasn't his wing chun. There is very little wing chun in JKD. He only used the center line concept, the straight punch and occasionally, the wing chun cross, simultaneous attack and defense and bridging the gap. That was it. When he was using karate or fencing, he was not using ANY wing chun at all!
C'mon man what you are saying is old as shit , are you trying to reinvent the wheel ?. Bruce lee was the innovator by finding flaws in every martial arts known to man . Bruce lee is the father of jeet kun do , which it's a style that has kept evolving , a style that was not set in stone . If you are going to come here to argue that an mma fighter has a better chance to win a fight against 5 guys , vs a wing Chung practitioner is untrue . A mma fighter has trained to fight a same weight , identical martial arts abilities , and one on one rival . Now put this mma fighter in an New York alley against 5 thugs , who do you thing is going to win ??. Wing Chung is for close quarters , and for multiple attackers . I've practiced many different styles, but I will not concentrated in any . I fight dirty , eye gouging , throat basher etc . The thing is to survive any situation , run if you can .
Yes I learned from Freddy Wong (Chicago, Illonois) that Bruce Lee did not want to label his innovations to Wing Chun, sense it would set a limitation, or confine it to only certain possibilities.
>Wing Chung is for close quarters , and for multiple attackers Wing chun does actually help against multiple attackers. That is if those attackers have practiced wing chun. Then a single untrained man might take on a whole group of misled idiots.
Well said my man... I am now learning these attack close quarters Now in my daily practice at my gym. It's about defense , counter attack close power play offense blitzkrieg!!! Repitition, practice basic moves / hits , blocks , etc... And definetely , Total minset of all impending attack situations! Predator/ prey survival modes.
I was in the Army and was taking combatives. I met another soldier that was taking Kempo Karate. I asked him how he liked it and he said it was good stuff so I went to a week long free class and liked it so I joined. Long story short the soldier that invited me to join the class turned out to be a real ass hole. We ended up fighting on base during a work detail we were on. When I was a kid my father trained me to defend myself implementing boxing, some Jujitsu and Army combatives. This guy studied Kempo for 8 years. He missed every kick he threw at me and only landed one punch that glanced off my cheek. I landed two punches and had him on the ground in an arm bar before he knew what the hell happened. My squad leader broke up the fight and wrote us both up. So with that said this guy is correct. After the Army I was a court officer and private security contractor. I was in a fight with Juveniles sentenced to Juvenile detention almost 4 times a week never needed help. You have to be adaptable in a fight. Being able to think fast and react fast with speed, power and coordination is key.
I don't want to touch too much of the video but your claim about light boxers (147 lbs and lighter.) is plain wrong, knockouts are very common in boxing of all weight classes and a little boxer still has a better chance of knocking your head off your shoulders than a non-boxer (doesn't matter if they're doing Muay Thai or MMA, boxers punch that much better.). It's also uncommon to see boxers who are 'true' 120-147 lb fighters...in their regular life they're walking around much heavier than 140 lbs. On the subject of weight a good 140 lb boxer has more of their own weight to work with when punching than someone who is not as good at boxing. There's plenty enough meat if put to good use in even an 120 lb person to absolutely knock someone out , obviously heavier fighters don't need to be nearly as technical to hurt
Yeah, it really depends on how much body weight is behind the hit and also accuracy. And also, the target. Side-kick to the knee is a good example. How much force can a knee really take? Or the throat? Or the liver? Not even going to go on about the nut shots.
This is true. Plus these light guys are extremely fast (Speed Kills). I have a sparring partner that is 5 degree Black Belt in TKD. I weigh 175 and he fractured my ribs once with a Step reverse side kick. He also trains MMA fighters, and all these 200 pounder guys have a lot of respect for him, standing up or rolling on the mat.
+ZymixProductions I wouldn't say small guys are necessarily much faster always and I was talking about the context of boxing and punching. He didn't claim small guys can't knock people out with kicks, he suggested a small guy can't knock you out. Plenty of big guys have obviously discovered otherwise when encountering some random mouthy little boxer at the nightclub, that's for sure or when they picked a fight with the wrong guy. My only point was you're not 'too small' to have knockout power in your hands below 147 lbs. I live in Aus, we use kilograms here. The differences sound so dramatic in pounds..but an 130-135 lb person is about 60 kilograms and 155-160 lb person is about 70 kilograms. I myself can fluctuate in a single week sometimes about half that on the scales hahaha (3 or more kilograms.) so it doesn't sound like that dramatic a difference.
90% of the "Wing Chun vs" videos on youtube are absolutely NOT Wing Chun. I completely understand your love for martial arts and your worry for bad teachings getting people hurt and killed and i'm on board. HOWEVER you made an entire video based on examples that are off UA-cam and 90% are not Wing Chun. You start off saying that you can catch a movement of Wing Chun. This is what we want. :/ The moment someone touches our hands or arms, or comes in to strike, they are in our environment. My 3rd thing is a question here. How many real Wing Chun pracitioners have you sparred with?
Brian McComas Let me tell you something quite unfortunate: LOGICALLY we have a style with pretty good lineage information, the style is relatively easy to recognize, and there seem to be a lot of people willing to have a go with it.... So naturally people believe that Wing Chun is represented in the popular lore... It may be illogical but it is not the case. The guys who I was exposed to when they hit the arm would be black... The punches were damaging and virtually unseen. Just saying because if I had not experienced it, I would not know.
True Scotsmen fallacy. I hate to be that dude, but a pure BJJ guy like Demian Maia went further than any pure Wing Chun guy. Doesn’t mean a guy like Tony Ferguson can’t incorporate some Wing Chun to help him throw elbows though.
I like your points sir. People base their concepts on martial arts on the movies that do them. Wing Chun can be adapted to real life situations, but your points on weight and physics do prove a point. It all goes back to the point of, "They have to understand their style to make it into the real world." There's no cut and dried rule to all of this sir so it's really up to the practitioner.
Not the art form but the person using it...an idiot using your methods would get beat up also if he didn't effectively apply himself and the art form....
A good artform breeds good "persons using it" aka fighters. Wing chun doesnt. Wing chun breeds allmost exclusively fighters that cannot fight for shit. And thats a fact, it is what it is. A fighting system is supposed to make you a good fighter if you train under it. Wing chun training doesnt
If I developed an art of limp slapping, how would it compare to an art that had been refined for centuries like Muay Thai? Even if I had Anderson Silva as a student using only limp slaps, he wouldn't fare good against any fighter period. Face it, the art matters not just the individual.
Im an amateur boxer with 14fights and 3 losses, and have a fight on the 23rd. Also a bjj purple belt, with wrestling experience. with 6 fights in Muay Thai. My coach trained william joppy for some of his fights. A world class USABoxing champion. I switjched gyms and My new coach emphasizes the practicality and Philosophy of wing chin. My guard has become more effecient and im not swatting away anymore and risking a counter attack. Also I have a better time engaging in close range phone booth exchanges, my counter attacks are also more effecient, plus my punches are way more devastating, i dunno how to explain it. Traditional martial arts still works it just has to be edited and reviewed for modern combat. It seems outdated now but served its purpose then, which was for warfare using weapons and fighting multiple assailants at once. A lot of martial artists have skewed views because they have never been tested or been in battle. So their view of martial arts or combat is merely fantasy. But for fighters its a whole different universe and ball game, and most fighters will study relentlessly to gain any advantage, since now you are operating at peak physical performance against another skilled opponent. Not an average joe. Lyoto machida knocked out silva with a front snap kick. Muhammed Ali claimed to have built his style and punches off of his tae kwan do background. Half of why any controversy starts in martial arts is because people fail to learn the ability to APPLY and BELIEVE. But lets be honest, no style is far apart from each other. In the end punches, kicks, elbows, knees, chokes, you name it they are all coming. Its just they are applied differently given the style. And a fighter or martial artist that fails to make small adjustments or adapt to the conditions given to you will perish.
Good point,here in Philadelphia Wing Chun we do the same thing ,get rid of your attacker fast and stop fighting with them like its some contest(MMA). As one of the senior student also the biggest you will not Survive using strength on strength but Technique versus strength such as nerve strikeing(eyes neck nose balls) bone brusing/braking , will help you get home
Mr. Orangeaide if the guy is missing an eye(blood everywhere,blinding AGONY,ahem..BLIND on that SIDE), CAN'T use one HAND(broken and dislocated fingers,snapped metatarsals,ripped-open nerve casings,TORN NERVES,subcutaneous BLEEDING (again,as above,EXCRUCIATING pain,electrical FEEDBACK--(just what you can IMAGINE that feels like)uncontrollable SWELLING-(get to a HOSPITAL)..he's not THINKING about FIGHTING ANYONE anymore. He's thinking about getting HELP. And his MORTALITY. (if the PAIN ALONE hasn't turned him into a sobbing,bleeding,self-shitting MESS on the GROUND--(that is, if he's still CONSCIOUS.) Too many of you motherfuckers out there think"SOME GUY" in a striped shirt is going to pop out of a crack in the SIDEWALK and SAVE your ASS from a MEAN,CALM motherfucker who will HOSPITALIZE you--rather than fuck around trying to get a "regulation KNOCKOUT... in REAL life--out where the sidewalk ENDS--and there ARE no imaginary 'referees'hitting people on the point of the CHIN is MEANINGLESS. You ideally want to WALK away..and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the OTHER guy.. (or his FRIENDS--they ALWAYS have "friends".).to EVER think about coming after you AGAIN without horrible waking NIGHTMARES stopping them from doing so. Just getting "knocked out"won't DO that. Ya FEEL me? The "CONTEST" part o
You don't have to be a martial arts master to know when something doesn't work. Being completely squared up (Wing Chun) in an altercation is gonna get you knock the f out..
Wing Chun was supposedly strong against faster, larger, and stronger opponents- However, any grapple from towards a wing chun will cause failure. Wing Chun’s made for deflection, any grab will start a advantage to the grabber. Wing Chun isn’t made for fighting grabbers. (However, if against a heavyweight, as you said, a solid hit will cause loss of momentum)
I’ve seen wing Chun work in the cage and in other full contact sparring events. Go to the channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns and look up the video “Wing Chun vs Kickboxing - wing Chun win” and in this video a gentleman has adapted wing Chun and has actually SPARED and learned to use it correctly for the cage. It CAN work. This video is no fluke either, there are videos of the same person on the same channel of him performing in other full contact events (like sanda/kickboxing) and winning using his Wing Chun. I don’t know how to spell the gentleman’s name but it’s pronounced by Fight Commentary Breakdowns like Sí La La. As far as I know there are three separate videos on that channel of this gentlemen using and applying his wing Chun for full contact events. This isn’t the only person that has made Wing Chun work for the cage or kickboxing. There are others. Just look up on UA-cam and you can see compilations of Wing Chun working effectively in the cage. It CAN work you just need to spar and put in the time just like you would with boxing or Muay Thai or any other combat sport. Now, I say it CAN work in the cage and I still stand by that decision. It CAN work but I don’t believe it is OPTIMAL for the cage. In the cage you need several styles to supplement eachother and work effectively. That’s why I said the gentleman in the Fight Commentary Breakdowns video “adapted” his Wing Chun. It’s still very stylistic and you can definitely tell it’s Wing Chun, but I wouldn’t say it’s “traditional” Wing Chun. I believe Wing Chuns optimal setting for use is in the street. Where there are NO rules and you can strike everywhere the art tells you that you should strike. Chops to the throat, eye jabs, groin strikes, etc. Can it work in the cage? Yes. Is it optimal for the cage? No. It’s optimal for close quarters trapping/clinching range street self defense. And just to point this out, don’t take what I’m saying with a grain of salt because you might think I’m “biased”. I actually haven’t really trained Wing Chun. I very sparingly practice it and I’ve never had formal instruction other than the videos I watch online (Greenville Academy or Master Wong Wing Chun for example). And just saying, the reason I don’t practice it very much isn’t because I don’t think it will work, it’s because I don’t really know how to practice it all that well just doing it by myself. Usually you need a partner for drills and I don’t usually have a partner. It’s not like shadow boxing were you can practice by yourself, to practice things like sticky hands and trapping and all the movements you should preferably have another body in front of you. So, to put it simply, I practice it as often as I can but as often as I can isn’t that often. Make sense? Not because I don’t think it will work, but because I don’t have someone to practice with. Probably only once or twice a week can I get some training drills in. Like I said I don’t practice it very much and I wouldn’t call myself a “Wing Chun fighter”, I’m actually more of a boxer or a jiu jitsu fighter if anything. I’m just tired of seeing this poor martial art getting bashed on because there are so many bad users of it out there. Like even boxing “won’t work” if you don’t use it properly if your lazy with your footwork or slow on punch retraction or don’t take your head off centerline etc. But nobody ever shows off the “bad boxers” or the “bad mma fighters”. But everyone definitely shows off the “bad Wing Chun fighters” and therefore it gets dubbed as a shit martial art. It’s not. I’m just trying to say, it’s more about the person training it than the actual martial art. Any martial art can be “bad” if the user doesn’t put in the proper time, drills, sparring, etc. Great videos sir I love them please continue to make uploads.
Wing Chun not effectively? There are lots of videos on YT of people knocking somebody out cold by "slapping" them on the jaw area. In other words: To knock somebody out cold doesn't take brute force. Its even pointless to knock somebody out with brute force because you will injure or fracture your own hand. Thats also the reason why many fighters always have injures, simply because of the power used with the blows. Kung Fu or Wing Chun is about SPEED and not power. MMA can be effective to all fighting sports except MMA. There is no telling which MMA fighter will win because its all about luck or wether the one who makes a mistake and eats a punch... or the one who lost all his energy during the fight and therefore can not defend himself effectively. Wing Chun is defensive fighting with counterattacks and not offensive. A wing Chun fighter will definitely face a challenge with a kickboxer or MMA fighter, especially because kickboxers and MMA fighter have more real fighting experience. On the other hand... A Wing Chun fighter should be able to block any power punch or kick simply because they see it coming from a mile away.
I been training wing Chun for a while and I fully agree with you. You weren't bashing wing Chun. Most wing Chun schools don't do realistic training and enough sparring to make their techniques work.
So fighting against 150 lb guys back then, don't work against 200 lb guys now.... Well better beat the learning curve, & start working on 300 lb guys now, then be told in the future your thing don't work cause you didn't fight against 400 lb guys in the future....
about that comment regarding untrained people throwing different kinds of punches to different parts of the body...who have you been fighting? Because practically everyone I've ever seen, if they have no real training, end up doing about 90% haymakers and the occasional body shot. Maybe they might do something particularly eccentric like an uppercut every now and then. That's literally about the extent of what the average person throws. The title was also very clickbaity. The techniques can work very well for other kinds of punches, it's just that generally the exercises that seem to be done don't really focus much on other kinds of punches.
That's facts. In a real street fight, haymakers are pretty much the only attack an untrained opponent will throw. It opens up their guard and practically gives you a free chain punch. But in general the object in a street fight shouldn't be to beat the snot out of your opponent, it should really be about receiving little to no damage, preserving your life and if possible your opponent's, and to remove yourself from the situation as quickly and safely as possible. So in terms of making a fight short Wing Chun is a massive advantage. The speed and concentration of the blows in traditional Wing Chun are good for distracting or disabling an opponent long enough for you to turn around and get out of the situation.
All good points. Which brings me to my worry about chain punching. If you are fast enough to chain 4 punches together, you might be facing a boxer who can chain 2 power shots together just as fast, or faster. This can be a problem.
Omfg u freaking dumbass those things that master Wong teaches you is BS...... I swear Wong will get knocked out in a real fight just 2 punches 1 2 and dead
@@beastlyjoke8379 Master Wong is the guy that will do most damage among 'em all...I WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THE ART and tecniques...If it is real life fight,Master Wong has it all to participate in a fight.He has it all that can't be learned-you're either born with it or you arent...I mean,he's cocky,he's aggresive,HE HAS BALLS ! He believes in himself and he wont give up.No matter how good you are ,and no matter what your style is ,if you dont have balls you're lost...Clearly Master Wong has the balls,has the agressive style that many others do not have.Sure,he wont use those fancy moves irl situation,probably he will go for some boxing,but he's fast,sure irl knows what hes doing... ;)
A style is like a car. It has its identifying trade marks. At its roots it is ultimately the same technology as all other cars. If someone is hit by a car...the manufacturer is not charged with dangerous driving...the driver is! Cultivation of self is the root of martial arts...and no matter the style it's the psychological state of the artist that dictates success.
And if the car itself is a piece of crap? Every good driver has a car that meets their needs, most people who learn to drive in a good school and have a good car learn to drive adequately. It seems that a lot of TMA guys aren't good drivers, is it because only idiots choose to drive those cars and learn from those schools?
Great video. Thank you. I'm just getting into WC. Like Mr Miyagi said to karate kid, "Don't get hit." My father boxed welter weight, I think he was 125 pounds, he was Golden Glove 1945 during WW2. He had 105 fights, New York to Chicago, won 100 by knock out. His friends told me he would have been world champ if he did not get drafted.
My Grandmaster is William Cheung. My teacher Joe Mohengi - Joe fight others bigger than him, street and ring, kick boxers who ever, his punch break there ribs, knock them out. I fight begger boxers, easy deflecting all there punches. All about using footwork.
Heavy weight boxers need a good chin because they are much slower and less likely to be able to avoid being hit. That is one of the purposes of Wing Chun. It was never meant to go head to head or punch for punch with heavier people. If you are faced with a much bigger opponent then once you can close the distance take out an eye or both eyes. Or hit to the throat. No art on the planet will allow you to go punch for punch with a much heavier opponent. Grappling would be a good option against a bigger attacker - just hope he/she does not have grappling skills or you may be in trouble. Running is usually a better choice if you have that option. Wing Chun by itself is not enough. Before you say what would i know I have been doing WC for 15 years and martial arts for 30 so not some newbie at this. Cross train - striking arts, throwing arts, groundfighting arts. Pressure test ALL of them or they are just arts and not martial.
I'm a young buck by comparison with boxing and wrestling background. I ADORE Wing Chun because it doesn't require gymnastic levels of flexibility so it conforms well to my inflexible body type. Mix that with some basic boxing and you get a pretty mean combo that can fluster a lot of people.
@@i-evi-l Yes I would agree with that. Once you get very good at boxing and Wing Chun I would advise learning a grappling art as well. Even if you think it is not your cup of tea it will open up your mind to a whole new world of combat and make you a well rounded more complete fighter. Keep training hard.
in boxing under welder weight there are many many knock outs. Its about speed accurracy and suprise ellement. wing chun is an art that is stuck in the past with make believe techniques. wing chun has great philosophies but it should be looked at in present fighting and try it in real life sparring sessies. All those many hours of practicing chi sao and doing all those traps in real life sparring, in close combat if you will, will not work cuz you get hit very simple.
Anyone taking Wing Chun into an offensive fight is asking for it. Most martial arts have characteristics that often dictate the scenario where they work the best. Wing Chun was developed for ladies in very close combat situations. Sort of like an early Krav Maga. It's best employed as an ambush style while on the defence. Contrast with Muay Thai, which was developed by the Royal Guard to protect the King on the battlefield. It's a offensive style designed to incapacitate you quickly and move on.
No. Wing Chun was not developed for ladies. lol. It was refined from the animal forms with the intention of basing it off human anatomy. It was named after a woman. You need to bone up on your history. If Wing Chun is so ineffective, why did Bruce Lee steal so much from it? Like most of it. Even the name Jeet Kune Do is stolen. Way of the intercepting fist is a Wing Chun principle.
And that is smart because there is less chance to stop it and to be unbalanced by a low kick. It also allows you to close the distance a lot more quicker that way, since you have less of a distance to drop the leg.
If you’re going to teach someone something then you should be a good fighter too. You look like crap when you spar. You are slow, uncoordinated, and awkward in your every movement. I don’t even need to know martial arts to kick your a**. I could watch “the karate kid” and know more than enough to take you. It is the student who finds the application for the techniques that he/she is taught that makes the difference in the fight. 95% of Kung fu’s techniques are not allowed in MMA sports because they will gouge out your eyeballs, chop your throat, snap your leg and leave you to die. Of course if you tell a king fu master that he can’t use 95% of his techniques then someone may have a fighters chance but you let a no holds barred match take place then your a$$ is history.
James Wilson Good point . a lot of these mma fights are elite athletes with rules. A lot of violent people have it in their DNA. Wing chun philosophy is brilliant ! Along with Tai chi and jeet kune do. Some techniques seem generic but applied at the right level and placement would be lethal. I hate when people criticize wing chun ...Bruce Lee was lightning fast . even James Demile said Bruce Lee was lethal and explosive at 130 pounds . wing chun is offensive not defensive anyways . who's gonna stand around and wait to get hit!?!
James Loran Thank you!! Any instructor who knows anything about fighting will be honest about the applications they teach. Saying that any martial arts is not applicable is a flat out lie and also gives the students unwarranted confidence in a fight. Bruce lee was right when he said “never hold yourself to one discipline”, but he also said that “I don’t fear the guy who practiced a thousand different kicks, I fear the guy who practiced the same kick a thousand times”. This guy is a complete whack job. I’m not even mad that he said “wing chun”. I dislike this guy because he’s trying to say something outside of his own art. I don’t know what art he practices but he is not good at it. If you don’t believe me just watch his weak ass video again. Hahahahaha thanks for the comment it made my day.
Also look at his like to dislike ratio. That should tell you something there. I’m sure that most of his likes are from people who know nothing about fighting and the rest are from his b@&$h students. It’s pretty pathetic when the average joe can walk into that dojo and and destroy the instructor. I call that the opposite of teaching.
I don't much enjoy bashing myself but I do agree the man does look very poor in his technique meaning he has little understanding of his body. Perhaps his strategies will make sense, but he can't move. He's talking about poor event integrity but he himself is being compliant teaching the guy in this video and also using late telegraphic motions that a good practitioner wouldn't use. If I recall he's a JKD guy isn't he? Which means his system uses both Wing Chun and boxing, but he's kinda crap at both. He's what he is bashing. But some of what he says is true at the same time. You need to have the proper mindset and not try to stylize your wing Chun. But again, he really seems to me like he is what he says you shouldn't be from the few videos I've seen of him.
one thing I love about your videos (and I wish I was local to train at your school because of this), is when you say we teach ip man's wing chun but we teach it for 2017 [modern day]... and you take into account that there's a significant difference between the body types between people just in southern china 30+ years ago, and people in a country that has people from around the world. You're adapting and that's great, as opposed to those who stick to lineages, and tradition (I'm looking at you william cheung chun'ers with your "traditional wing chun" bs).
Everyone knows the street is different from the classroom, but you missing a lot of fundamental differences and aspects of Kung FU. for instance, Routing, yielding changing your directions when someone strikes, you using hands to block kicks, not taught in my system. I can understand it but I also see the floor. Kung fu is a matter of practice and dedication. there always a difference in the street to class. kung fu is teaching you to kill or end the fight. You in your video continue to move backward giving range to your opponent, why? you're taking out your ability to strike in close and not taking away your attacker's weapons to strike with. (you can't through I giant haymaker or hook if I'm standing face to face with you. Now I still have elbows, palm strikers, close punches and locks. Each so-called expert master has a floor to there concept. If your mindset it to win a fight rather than survive a fight or to end it quickly. That alone is as much a part of fighting as skills and practice. If you feel a punch or strike from an experienced Kung Fu Student. Let them hit you. it is nowhere near the same as how a boxer hits you or kickboxer hits you. to quote bruce lee, " I don't fear the man who knows a 1000 kicks, I fear the man who has done one kick a 1000 times" . Discipline, practice, and application are a huge difference here.. In my opinion, your argument is floored. I am 20 stone man If I hit you with a Hook your would know about it for sure, but If I hit you with a well-drilled yang punch putting my energy, practice, and size to use. the punch is devastating. compared to a stand boxers punch
Exacly what I am going to be telling people Sun Wu Kong. I went to a violent school system and saw the way these animals fight. i have observed their predicatble styes of brute force, or unexpected cheap shots, but that is what we train for! and with something a bit more sophisticated we can diffuse their methods. I guess take W.C. as a tool and add it to what is already obvious about two guys trying to break each others nose.
I've been practicing Wing Chun for 20 years in an Ip Ching lineage school. Anyone that puts WC up against other martial arts, as an argument for or against Wing Chun, is only fooling themselves and their students. If you bring up MMA or BJJ, you're swerving into lunacy. WC is simple, effective, and has no place in anything other than for an average John or Jane Does looking for an advantage in a scary McDonalds situation. or walking across a college campus. Just like any kind of Karate, JKD, TKD. It's what it is.
stop doing video-shit like that , if U don'y understand Kung-Fu that's Ur problem , that , a lot of people think that Kung-Fu is "dancing" , they are wrong , Wing Chun , and every style that is KUNG-FU are not only fighting , it's style of live , if U didn't spend Ur live in training Kung-fu just don't make vid about it , we , people who train it, we can say something more about it , boxing is not "Best style of fighting"
Wingchun is like slap fighting. Im a boxer and i can beat you with just one hand. Wingchun is full of flashy moves but cant be used in real fight. It has been proven in many videos, real masters of wingchun getting knocked out and whats your reason being beaten "he's not a real master".. Yeah right! Get a life and practice real martial arts like mma.
He's right! There are several versions of wing chun! And most of them aren't very good! By this I mean the way they're taught! I've personally been exposed to three different variations of the style! 1. The first one, I started talking with an old friend! It's pretty much the same version displayed in all these UA-cam videos! Too much emphasis on meeting force with force! And the transition from move too move was quite robotic! 2. This second version, was used by this girl! She was competing against one of my fellow wing chun students in a match! And while she was about 15% quicker and totally outclassed my classmate...her moves were still robotic! 3. This third version? My friend/coworker had learnd this version! This version of the style was the real deal! It was a good 40% above the first two versions mentioned! His form was flawless! His reaction time?...very good! He was especially good at the sticky hands "or adhering aspect of wing chun" as well as using an opponents force against them! Just to emphasize the point, I'm only a purple belt in okinawan kenpo! And learnt some basic techniques of praying mantis, tiger claw and whatever else my cousin taught me! I sparred the Chinese dude teaching the first version of the style mentioned! Now I'm not saying I'm any good (I'm not even at the halfway point of the guy that initially taught me...my cousin!" And I still completely outclassed the wing chun teacher! My buddy that knew the third version though?...I had to be on point! As mentioned, his sticky hands was so good, that the only way I could survive our sparring sessions was to counter him using praying mantis! They do have similar aspects after all! Lol
As a wing chun practitioner I refuse to believe this because it’s not about the fighting style it’s about you and I believe all forms of martial arts are unique in their own ways
I learned my Gong Fu from library books and UA-cam videos. I learned actual real world street fight application. I grow up fighting in a gang infested neighborhood. Fighting against maultipal attackers, and bigger fighters. Adaptability is supposed to be a key component of Wing Chun. I would be able to teach a fighter to crush a lot of fighters I see misrepresenting Wing Cun on UA-cam; but I don't teach because I don't believe in fighting. My Wing Chun is not self defense. It is artistic chaos. It is a tool of death. I am not a master. I am a boxer.
Any fighting art form or system around the world is good it's all on you if you think it doesn't work its not for you or you need to understand the art more and keep training it
Anderson silva used wing chun a lot during his ufc fights and won a shit ton. It has to do with the fighter his discipline and his experience. Not every boxer is good just because they learn the basic and can throw a punch just like every guy that can make a basket won't make it to the NBA. It takes more then that.
@cmonbro I never said he only used wing chun I said he used it a lot during his fights and it was very effective. You've got to remember that wing chun is more of defensive style wing chun means. beautiful springtime. It's made to be graceful. So of course if u go up against someone of pure muay thai a strictly offensive and killing instinct style of fighting you're going to most likely get destroyed.or even JJ for that matter which is like the number 1 fighting for really whooping ass.
I quote a saying from long ago..." In the highest realms of Kung fu...there is MORE to the fist than its form." (not bruce lee's saying, lol!!) Personally, I say this...if a man strikes a tree (no padding) softly but firm for a certain amount of years..he will grow a (calcium) over the knuckles. (even BOXER'S/MMA FIGHTER'S do not have this).. he may also turn the white areas in his muscles to red... Now because of this...he can kill a man with a full blow .. let's say mid region center line..or because he UNINTENTIONALLY developed chi in his striking arm..now he even gives the opposition a sort of DIM MAK injury to boot. Yet this man DID NOT practice so call martial arts in his life.... To the maker of this video...DO NOT (ASSUME) WHAT YOU WILL HAVE FOR DINNER BECAUSE YOU (KNOW) THE MENU.....FOR it is the (BODY) not the mind that changes before and after every meal...even though the (FOOD) may remain in repetition.
Oh look, a guy that thinks Dim Mak has to do with invisible magic energy. Its a chest compression that hits the heart. You learn it in CPR and is basically impossible to do to a standing person.
@@i-evi-l invisible magic energy? I dont think you know what chi means bro... however i did stop reading at chi aswell 😂 chi is about focus and breathing calmly. (Concentration).
@@adarktrap7361 Not at all. I and others view the concept Chi as a name for transferring and building kinetic force. It was cooked up as a metaphysics to explain physics before physics was what its known as. Historical context is everything. Use the example of why an old sifu can break a board without breaking his hand while a larger younger guy breaks the board but also breaks his hand. We know now it's a matter of form physics rather than just raw strength. They didn't have that concept en masse back then and still don't even in this day.
@@i-evi-l so you dont know how to use your chi? Thats all this tells me. If you think CHI and FORM are the same i would question if you understand form aswell.. but then again, you gotta do it your way. Also words that sre the same as chi Chi, chakra wheel, flow, prana, spirit. Dont be mistaken its not magic its the same force that animates living things to live. Imo 🤷♂️ but the western interpretation of chi really dont have to abilty to understand it.
A great man once said "Use what works for you and throw away the rest"
Who was that again I forgot
@@skylermccloud6230 “Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own” - Bruce Lee
Bruce ^^
Bruce lee
Not if that person never been in a street fight... lol
Bruce Lee saw further into the future. He saw that just having one style/discipline wasn't enough. He was about fighting in the street as it was survival compared to a ring/squared circle with rules and such. Bruce had ideals of mixing different disciplines and taking what is useful in all of them and adding them to his own and training hard. "Take what is useful and discard what is useless".
Be like water my friend.
Which is why he is considered the Godfather of Mixed Martial Arts.
Bruce lee wasnt the first person that discovered that..... it was a General Qi Jiguang in the 1500s that came up with that.... and it became a standard until the last uprising in 1860
Bruce lee is a Hollywood actor...
@@vlonevlone2319 uhm... he was more than that
Ngl, I was just expecting him to make some spiteful jab at Wing Chun but he actually made some good points that I intend to bear in mind when I’m training
I mean he teaches wing Chun lmao
You are actually right Sifu. I've been teaching Wing Chun for only 1 year, and have just recently switched how my students attack eachother during sparing sessions using realistic approaches to street fighting. They love the classes even more now. Thankyou for the lesson 🙏 Sifu D.
There great odds you run across many Drunk Style masters in the streets!
Sugar Ray Leonard talks Bruce Lee - ua-cam.com/video/PdBA8YOeM78/v-deo.html
Sugar Ray Leonard talks about Bruce Lee - ua-cam.com/video/n7Z-tTzYTG0/v-deo.html
I trained with a ving tsun practitioner from Germany that was amazing. The difference is his school did pressure testing, full contact sparring against boxers, karate, wrestlers, etc. It makes all the difference as what you're practicing has real world application instead of just theoretical situations based on drills against your own style.
Thats how it should be
The German brand of wing Chun certainly went the more practical route, and it shows
Mma doesn't work, Bjj doesn't work, Karate doesn't work, Wing Chun doesn't work...
The person doing them is what works....
Anatolian ok.... lack of training, lack of confidence, lack of knowledge, lack of self belief....
You could know every move from every martial art ever.... but if you can't understand them then you lose
Wow...that was DEFINITELY a non martial artist comment right there...ur on the outside lookn in bubba
Anatolian you can't say who'd win. In a boxing match yes the boxer would win. But how would he copg dealing with low kicks, choke holds, submissions?
keep smile'n 😂😂😂... ok.... i'll be training tonight as usual
That's true but it's also very incomplete. While the fighter is the most important thing, and his skill level, mindset, aggressiveness, toughness, physical fitness, etc. taken altogether this is what really will decide who wins; it's also true that some styles are more effective than others. Some martial arts are simply better grounded in reality, and if you want to become a competent fighter it's best not to waste your time and money learning things that won't be effective in the real world. This was the very thing that led Bruce Lee to criticize "the classical mess" of martial arts that had become ossified, hidebound with rigid adherence to tradition, and lost their effectiveness as fighting styles are the art got emphasized over the martial. It's also what led him to abandon Wing Chun and create Jeet Kune Do after his fight with Wong Jack Man in Oakland, when he found Wing Chun didn't work as effectively in that fight as he'd thought it would going into the encounter.
I dont think its about the wing chun I think its about the fighters who use it wrong
NVM editz Factz!
Wing chun has tons of flaws tbh.
All arts have flaws, it’s about having a fighting brain and a lot of luck in a fight
@@buckfieldpaul2606 good laugh and spot on.
I think that is where Bruce Lee was going with his JKD. It is the idea of adapting what you need to so that it fits your skills set. I would have loved to see what he would have grown into had he not passed away.
When you do a martial art for self defence, I don’t think you ever really think it is about taking on another martial artist. It is about giving you a chance of handling some untrained thug who wants to rob you. If there are trained martial artist muggers out there then it really has gone all wrong.
When you are untrained you at least have your natural martial insincts in tact. But when you practice bullshiido you lose that. Probably an untrained opponent has an easier time with you if you have delusions of martial prowess.
Taxtro you should never have delusions of your ability, whatever you have trained in. Anyone can get caught out particularly if they don’t see it coming. Always best to keep your wits about you, but don’t invite trouble. Use conversation to get out of a situation if you can, but best not to get on one in the first place. It is about a subtle balance between not being too timid which can invite trouble and not too arrogant that can invite trouble. Keep the brain going and good luck all.
Kevin Stoneham those people have been around forever
You are usually correct in that assumption. Most REAL martial artists, not including all the mma clowns, boxers, and jiu jitsu idiots, are trained in humility, and would not intentionally start a fight. That does not apply to mma or jiu jitsu though, whose main thing is bragging and bolstering their little girly egos! Usually ANY good martial art, even crappy ones like boxing or muay thai, and maybe even jiu jitsu, if it is a one-on-one scenario against a thug (single thug, not multiple), someone inexperienced or someone with only limited experience, will work on the streets. But against REAL experienced opponents, they would lose because of their system and the fact they are not fully trained in all street scenarios, so that would leave them at a loss for a response, which, by the way, slows response time and would allow the opponent's strike, kick, or take down, to work.
Everyone does it for different reasons. Untrained has nothing to do with it....one to the jaw and your ass is sleep...there goes all that tuition you paid.
I do wing chin. But a lot of wing chin people don't spar and don't put effort into the movements. They just place their arms there
Do WC practitioners do footwork trainings? Just curious...
@@53n47 yes
Thats so tru i have won fights on the streets with wing chun next fight that i have im gonna post it
@@pokemastergolgie396 where is the video
@@pokemastergolgie396 where is the video
My instructor told me the best self defense is to have nice friends and go to nice places. If you see trouble here, go over there.
What?
Stupid advice. Something can happen anywhere at anytime, even in “nice places”. Also you won’t be able to be with “nice friends” all the time. You need a new instructor
Agreed.
William your instructor used a figure of speech to emphasize a very good point and that is choosing good people to be around and places where mostly violence doesn't hang around. Indeed it's wise advice. Having said that, if I may add my two cents worth: 1) even when we take those safety measures, we must always be in a position mentally and physically to tap into a violent self. Your instructor of course knows that and this is why he teaches some fighting art. He was just referring to a dimension of safety, which is making right choices in order to avoid violence as much as it's in our hands.
2) I will just disagree with the term "self-defense;" maybe you or he was using it loosely. By this I mean, his advice actually refers to self-protection, not self-defense, since the second specifically refers to actively fending off a threat as it manifests.
-- Keep practicing whatever you practice realistically, with all the benefits it may come with, always being aware that violence can show up anywhere, even in a church, a police station, in your friend's home, anywhere; no need to be paranoid, but being aware of the level of your safety is wise. Have a blessed day.
A true Master acknowledges the weaknesses of their style/teachings. Very big of him to inform us of this.
Bruce Lee understood that a fighting style needs the ability to adapt and grow. This is why he created the concept of Jeet Kune Do. Yes, it's more of a concept than a fighting "Style". So much so, that no two people should do Jeet Kune Do the same. Not if you're true to the form. I highly recommend Bruce Lee's book. Excellent insight.
Bruce Lee never finished Wing Chun training...he did not fully understand wing chun ..that's why he created Jeet Kune Do....
MsDYap is correct Ip Man refused to teach Bruce Lee Bui Jee as he knew that he was just a thug and would misuse the knowledge and it was the fact that he was not allowed to complete his wing chun training that forced him to take up every other style he could find.
JKD is not a style as you say it is just every technique from every system therefore there is no underlying philosophy or strategy behind they moves so they are just individual moves. The reason systems are effective is they have an underlying strategy like for example in wing chun you have many moves but to use them effectively you must understand and apply triangle theory, centre line theory, understand lines of attack and defense, conservation of movement, shortest line, simultaneous attack and defense, slow attacks, etc
Knowing the moves from wing chun and other systems is just the sum of the parts, you are missing the vast majority of the art it's self and so will not be an effective fighter.
The only things you will pull out in a real situation are reactions, so if you have just learned every technique from every system you will not be able to apply them as no single technique will have been drilled 10s of thousands of times to make it muscle memory, so it will never come out if you need it.
So I'm not saying JKD is a terrible system but I think that for it to be effective you need to first have a black belt in some other style and then use that as a foundation to work off and then use techniques from other systems to then fill the holes in your style rather than try and learn everything from the start and be a jack of all trades and master of none.
I want to see it tested against an MMA fighter.
JKD = MMA
JKD is just all martial arts mixed together almost as if it is Mixed Martial Arts. oh wait.....has the penny dropped yet?
Lol
Wow, look at the dislikes. This guy is correct one hundred percent. A person who is significantly larger than yourself can EASILY straight up ignore your punches at 135 pounds, throw haymakers, and aside from you running away you WILL lose.. Period..
People on the street tackle, they rely heavily on surprise first attacks or sucker punches and very high energy exchanges. Regardless of how effective these attacks are, if you and Wing Chun are sitting there and get hit by a guy that's in good shape at 175-200lb, he will either straight knock you out or severely knock you completely off balance with the sheer weight of a blow..
All I'm saying, if you're 135lb and practice Wing Chun, the first punch you try to block or redirect, the second that larger person gets ahold of you and tackles you to the ground in an attempt to simply maneuver your tiny body into a susceptible position, you are going to receive multiple, potentially fatal punches. 7/10 times they won't stop after you go to sleep either, they will bash you until they are either pulled off of you or they severely damage you, potentially perminantly.
So if you think your Wing Chun at 135lb can outmatch a 210lb kickboxer with some high school wrestling or other grappling experience, I encourage you to go to a local certified kickboxing gym and sign a waiver and then do three rounds with a large guy who has 2-3 years experience..
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That’s why Bruce Lee changed the game. He knew there were problems with wing chun, so he focused on a style that was more conventional when it came to street fighting.
Bruce never beated his master. One thing need understand about is wing chun is speed. That bruce lee was so fast in fist fight
@@cmale123 what
Bruce lee was never in a real fight in his life
Yes he was
@@dillonpersel8561 he was ,there were lot of British ppl he beat when he was like in a gang in Hong Kong, then he beat someone in a boxing fight in his high school life and yea he might not have been in tournaments cuz he wanted to use his wushu for the streets and he did go against many gangs and he lived so like he did bish
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You are so dam right! I been telling other WC instructors about what you are telling us now and they would get mad at me. I have and seen WC students get knock out by boxer type punches over and over! But they still train the same old ways. That's why I change my WC to fit todays street fighters and it has saved my butt many times. Thank for you video.
This is a great video. I have only been studying Wing Chun for about 10 months now and this video is something that I feel I needed to see. You make some phenomenal points in regards to the style and how it worked in the past. The style can still work now, only with modern adjustments. Well said. Thank you for your video.
Thank you for this video. I was raised with Wing Chun as the primary style I learned, use, and to this day it is my point of comfort and the source of my spiritual training. It’s a good style but I was a child that got in a lot of fights. I guess I looked at it like a math equation. It was a concept and structure for training, but I knew fighting and it wasn’t what you’d use. I’m a few months from forty, so Bruce Lees teaching to be like water had deep meaning to me. I’d play with it, let it flow. The concept was to make your powerful center line attacks win the fight and find ways to allow your opponent to fall into them. My dad would always say, “a great fighter only needs a few techniques, but those techniques are perfect.” Blocking seemed to lose initiative, so l’d practice it as a struck, misdirection, or interception. I’d meditate on the fights before I really had any idea that it was meditation. The Marine Corps taught me to shut my mouth and I stopped getting into fights. The peace and calm of the practice still guides me and seems like the most important part of the art. I still practice and had a bit of a play with a boxer and I shocked him. The fighting didn’t look like Wing Chun, from what I saw. I find that part irrelevant, however; as whenever my mind isn’t clear or there is something weighing me down I just start doing my forms and I feel new.
Why is this comment getting no attention. I completely agree with you the whole point of martial arts are two suit to user body and mind and if you stick to the purely traditional movements anything that is not taught will be foreign and unexpected which can catch you off-guard
You make absolute sense. We role play and watch real fights to mimic and use those as examples to go up against; go for the WT against some other style of sparring. However, our head is against the sky and our chin is set back, not sticking up.
Not all wing chun and wing chun masters are the same
I REALLY agree with you.
It's like Karate, there are 3 different versions of it though the same method, everyone does it differently, Wing Chun is also in that category as well where you can learn it traditionally or not, I'm learning this martial arts again after so many years, as I took it at the age of 13 but I have been out of practice for a very long time, and now I have recently got back into it. My cousin and my Uncle who have been doing this martial arts for years now, my cousin told me that the most important thing with Wing Chun "and this is like this for all other martial arts as well" is the stance, you want to get the stance right, doesn't matter how good your techniques are, doesn't matter how good you are in a fight, if your stance isn't good enough; they can easily knock you out of balance and you can make a complete fool out of yourself.
@@legendarystormmartialartsg3573 Then your cousin and uncle are incompetents. Stances are training tools to learn and deliver proper techniques from. They have no idea what they are talking about and are already making complete fools of themselves if they're learned practitioners of several years.
"doesn't matter how good your techniques are, doesn't matter how good you are in a fight, if your stance isn't good enough," that is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. What matters are your technique and fighting skills, not your stance. The more skilled you are, the less you rely on forms and stances.
Trying to maximize balance or "rooting" yourself will sacrifice footwork, angling, range/distance and any other adaptation in a real fight. Dynamic balance (not stance-based) is what you need. Also a Wing Chun stance has so many things wrong with it from a biomechanical standpoint. Your uncle and cousin sound like they are practicing in a mcdojo and/or watch too many Ip Man movies.
@@Krypteian I like to see you in a fight and not give a shit about the stance.
@@Krypteian and besides dude, he's been doing Wing Chun, way longer before the Ip-man movies came out
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Appreciate the honesty from a Kung fu practitioner, and it was good to see you running the video between your commentary, with you and your mate, showing how unrealistic it is, with none of the strikes directed towards a vital target, with hands down and chin up.
What so many people and "Martial Artists" coninuously seem to fail to understand is that the style is nothing more than a style. It is on the person training to be able to apply the style in the most practical and efficient way. The person needs to be good enough to use the style in the best possible way. Relying on style will get your teeth kicked in. You need to be proficient enough to respond and apply as the situation presents itself. People rely too much on style and thats why they stand with their chin up and fists out. Because it looks like it. But if you really understood how to use a style to suit yourself, you would not have the issue of the style being useess, the issue would be you are useless. Style or not.
David Bennett bravo, well stated
I totally agree with you mate him putting down a style is his Personal opinion, And experience he should have titled this why wing chun doesn't work for me.
A style is just a beginning.
David Bennett what's your shtoyle?
Yes sir
I too am a Ip Man linage student of 8 years. I completely agree with what you are saying. We train just like you, we thow what ever we like at our oponent and has to deal with it. For me learning the techniques and concepts isn't enough, you to learn how to hit really really hard, which means hitting wall bags/heavy bags/developing Hand speed from all angles, don't stand there chain punching thinking that's enough. People say I'd use finger jabs, when the shit kicks off you won't even think about using them, knock him out.
Yes, agree. But there are just many bad coaches and students and therefore many who can't handle reality -> Shown punches.
Andrew summer sparring videos or it's impractical
Andrew summer I agree. Leung Sheung lineage here. Sparring is EXTREMELY needed, as well as working wall and heavy bags. I do think the principles are the most valuable part of Wing Chun
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What's really important is knowing the whole traditional system. Otherwise, certain crucial elements are missing that help the system work properly and efficiently, like proper footwork, proper way to close the distance, and most importantly, the TEN CONCEPTS, which not only dictate proper response to an attack (because it is a guideline or outline on how to make the system work properly, giving it flexibility), but takes out all initial flaws found in other systems and like I said, gives the system incredible flexibility. You will not find this in any modified wc system, only in traditional, and that is because only traditional uses all ten concepts at once, and not five or six out of ten. Punching is all-well-and-good, but if you can't use your techniques and initial contact to determine the type and direction of the strike, so you can either push the hand past the center, causing an opening you can exploit, then punching hard is worthless! In the case of a boxer, you MUST know how to make and MAINTAIN contact (as per wong shun leung) and be able to follow in his center of mass in (again, maintaining contact with the arm), trapping the arm and leg, and finishing the fight QUICKLY! If you can't do that, then no amount of punching strength is going to help you if you are unconscious!! GET IT???? So I suggest everyone learn the ten concepts and use them when you spar then fight. And make sure to use all ten at the same time! Even taking one out, like the triangle, will weaken the structure and cause an opening your opponent can exploit.
There are very few life-long practioners of an martial art who can have the courage to say their art does not work. Not just a bad practioner, but the art itself is bad. I see 1,300 who can't. Great video and great truth.
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@@belkys120 lol 🤣🤣 fucking boxing has no skills, kung fu fails no one😂
Hmm
Try Muay thai its effective
@@bigwig5754 lol no
My god, you just said everything I've ever thought. Lifelong wing chun practitioner/teacher and several years of MMA student...
Wing chun doesnt work in spar situations its usualy because the fighter isnt trying to kill his opponent, its definitely used as a self defense best utilize by people who dont look capable in a fight. Big supporter in wingchun myself but i 100% with this dude. 👌
Thank you, this is a conversation that makes more sense for some of us who actually had to fight our way out of trouble countless times.
Wing Chun doesn’t work if you don’t know how to use it
Hmm
And would teach you?
I agree
And boxing is easier to learn
Yea and no body knows that.. its a mysteri
U forget wing chun not only hit chin.. They poke eyes, nose, throat, groin, knee and other part of your body.. Thats why gotta learn from the best wing chun practioners not just from a guy who throw a center line punches and said by themselves "I teache Wing Chun" :)
I've been training Wing Chun for about two months and frequently we practice some no WC kicks and boxing (some other advanced students are into grappling, for example). My Sifu tells us WC is not enough by itself (actually any martial arts), you must have some other "set of tools" in order to defend yourself succesfully. Good video.
@Eric Vargas Exactly :)
@E. T. Baracus wingchun is great
@E. T. Baracus yes bro ur right. Those people don't have much idea about wing chun
@E. T. Baracus why there so many videos of wing chun guys failing and never any were they win?
@E. T. Baracus it isnt wing chun that made him special. He used it to trap and elbow which he could have learned in muay thai
Bruce lee was good at wing chun, got taught by ip man, ip man beat a guy in a street fight one time and someone witnessed whos still alive to this day
Bruce lee didn’t just do wing chun tho. He practiced many other much more effective martial arts, he was the father of mma
Bruce Lee was taught by Wong Shun Leung, Ip Man's senior student, not by Ip Man himself.
If you go to a real school you will find out Wing Chun is a good style..It takes alot of time and practice but if you go up against a real black belt they will fuck you up bad.
I agree with this. Our school tries to have us spar against many different kinds of fighters. It's tremendously helpful.
I think thats the problem . Most people never go beyond the basic drilling.
The problem is nerdy fighting styles like win chum
haha yea till the "nerd" kicks your pathetic ass.
Sifu Jason Korol has become a shill.
Jason is spreading misinformation --- to discredit Wing Chun.
In the description, Jason even refers to Wing Chun as "fake martial arts".
No, the problem is idiots like YOU who are just too stupid to understand wing chun!
Flyweights with plenty of ko's sir. Power in every weight class in boxing
Mark Percy Every.
LoL exactly. If you're a male you have knockout power period if you know how to throw a punch ESPECIALLY a boxer. Some feather weights can throw harder than heavyweights. Its all subjective on the individual not the weight of the individual. Although heavier weight will give you a slight advantage if the fighter is untrained and has no punching technique
way to miss his point. Yes flyweights can KO people but in general the higher weight classes are going to punch harder. bigger people also have a longer reach on average.
Not as much. not very many 1 punch out cold KOs under middle weight either. it is usually combos and most the time the KOd opponent is still awake in the lighter weight classes. no feather weight pro boxers hit as hard as heavy weight pro boxers they just don't.
it's because they train for the long distance, and not for the KO IN 30 SECONDS IN THE FIRST ROUND! TO KO SOMEONE IS EASY IF TRAIN FOR IT. I JUST HEADBUTT SOMEONE IN THE CHIN AND THEY GO TO SLEEP!
My brother figured out how to get around my Wing Chun with a right hook and slapped the crap out of me. I first started Wing Chun training in 1981 under Lee Moy Shawn student of Moy Yat (Bruce lee Classmate) from Honk Kong to help me with my boxing. Although, I had trained in boxing 1979-81 but never sparred. I crossed into PKA kick boxing (Gym) and got whipped. I initially thought that Wing Chun would help me in that sport and it didn't. I later became a Golden Glove Champion in boxing. Although, I never competed in MMA, I would say that boxing is the roughest sport (Not saying superior). You will feel like you're going to die. Hence, this is why many great MMA strikers will not go into the square circle for Million dollar opportunites, but you see Low level boxers and kick boxers crossing into the UFC.
Well that’s why weight classes exist in boxing too. A 220 lb guy against 150 lb guy is most likely to win. Unless the 220 lb guy has absolutely zero fighting skill.
Student Chao Ren yeah this part of his video heavily confused me.
Weight makes things exponentially harder for every body. Not sure what point was trying to be proved there.
Oh it get's worse than that... I went to a tournament once (just to watch), and this guy turned up in a white belt and proclaimed "all I've really done is punched trees". He won. And he won embarrassingly easily. All the rest of them had just punched air for points.
Test this with a well trained wingchun artist
@pseudoswitch We can play armchair warrior all day long, but I've spent enough time around martial artists to know that you quickly separate the fighters from the people who are there for the 'art' / fitness etc and in almost every case I believe the men I refer to (they were mostly men) could ALL fight *before* they set foot in a dojo / kwoon. All the crap about whether they could roll with an experienced BJJ practitioner or get in the ring with a good amateur boxer is just that : crap. Marathon runners and 400M runners all go to the Olympics as 'runners' but their training and the environment they run in is completely different. People run marathons right into their 80s - one guy is over 100 - but I doubt that too many last in shorter track events beyond 35 or so. I'm not saying that an exceptional athlete wont still be able to do Muay Thai in his 50s, but I can guarantee you that in Thailand even the trainers would shake their heads at that thought. Does spending 30 years perfecting WC or any other traditional art make one the best fighter in town ? Of course it doesnt, but compared to a lot of washed up boxers, chances are that the rest of the traditional practitioner's life is a whole lot better for the time invested.
All of that is a long-winded way of saying that anyone who spends a good portion of their life learning to deliver power to specific points on a human body isn't someone your average mindless thug really needs to antagonize, and anyone with any serious training regimen isn't hanging around bars thinking about whether they should be spending more time sticking hands or working the wooden dummy ;)
@@arthurwatts1680 absolutely true and to the point.
I have friends who practice full contact karate, no not the fake crap many thinking of, actual contact sparring, the old school way of training such as numbing the shins to be able to block low kicks, no pads nothing.
The true is like you said, someone that has trained with instructors worth their title and went through the routines can and will destroy the average Joe out in the street.
@my journey One of many in 2020, it would seem, but there is traditional training and there's what many in the combative arts refer to as 'immersion training'. I would NEVER expect a boxing trainer to put one of his fighters in a room with a group intent on doling out physical pain - that's not what amateur boxers sign up for - but that's the acid test for anyone who wants to be able to talk about their ability to actually fight in a situation that very few instructors are prepared to subject them to. Even Kyokushin karate - a style that prides itself on the full-contact element - doesn't allow hand or elbow strikes to the head. I was stunned when I saw that FMA includes biting and eye-gouging as valid techniques - not something most clubs would be happy to advertise in the West, but undeniable realities in the world outside the safe confines of a club/kwoon/dojo. I'm not questioning anyone's qualifications - just pointing out that the one advantage a criminal has over the rest of us is that he/she has no qualms about leaving another human being maimed or worse, and will revert to that feral state in a heartbeat. Throw in drugs and alcohol and you're asking a normally civil human being (regardless of training, most martial artists are civil human beings) to go from zero to one hundred and I just dont believe that happens in a club with people you trust to show a duty of care. The Okinawans had zero problems with the notion that (some) Samurai would happily kill them, leaving their family without a breadwinner, and if that is the situation in your city, I'd strongly suggest you look at moving ASAP ;)
Strait line is the fastest way to hit your target
@@thomaseidst3170 Great, but newbies take that to mean that you need to adopt a 'Wing Chun' stance before striking - that was never the intent.
This guy is right. I was a martial artist who studied gung fu in the 70’s due to Bruce Lee. Had a buddy studying Wing Chun so we would go full contact in our backyards and he would get pummeled by us because he would get stuck on his back leg and try to hit us with those straight punches and no power. Squared up and no footwork. Later I got into Boxing and most of what I learned was useless.By learning boxing footwork and how to punch with leverage from Boxing made my martial arts training more valuable for realistic fighting. Just knowing your going to get hit and not over reacting was the key in my confidence. I had guys come in saying they hit the speed bag real good and they did but couldn’t apply it of course. Or they come in murdering the heavy bag trying to impress. Then they try to spar and now they are missing getting hit in return and then they disappear.I’ve been coaching boxing now for 30 plus years now but I still love the practical martial arts like what you guys are doing.
Wing Chun is a good base for training. Been studying it for years and not once have I gotten into a fight and lined up with someone trying to hurt me. I use the concepts and fundamentals then add effective moves. I sample from dozens of styles but my base is solid through Wing Chun. Most people don't understand that you have to think about real world applications. Not training conditions.
In all honesty martial arts have calmed me down. It let me be able to realize I don't need to fight. I can just refuse it unless I can't walk away. But no one ever gave me any shit because they knew what I did and was scared. I admit i'm not very good at fighting but I didn't tell them that. I let the rumor keep me trouble free. And when confronted I showed no fear of a fight or getting hit which confused people into leaving me alone
Dont see any legit wingchun beating any Mma fighter
@@matkasim If you have half a brain, you'd realize MMA stands for Mixed Martial Arts. Multiple styles, multiple applications. Nobody is gonna only use one type of martial art in an actual ring fight.
@Gaming Addiction But what he said is literally the most practical approach to any form of martial arts.
@@matkasim Anderson Silva uses wing chun in his fights all the time.
You are right, It needs adapting and that was the idea of Bruce Lee when he made Jeet Kune Do.
Carzo Parazzo
It needs to be erased, gung fu doesn't work. You need grappling style, like catch Wrestling, Russian Sambo, Judo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and striking style of Boxing, Kick Box/ Muay Thai
Traditional martial arts don't work in fight against someone who knows how to fight.
No, it does NOT! You only need to know the whole traditional system for it to work properly. He only knew 2/3rds of the modified system and THAT is why he thought his modified wc was stiff and rigid and incomplete, because IT WAS!
It's not about the style, It's about you
I agree, it makes sense, Its not like everyone on the street is a martial arts expert who fights in a specific fighting style. You make a great point. 🤘
Exactly!! Perfect point made!!
Been trying to talk this thinking up with various people. The art was developed in a certain place, at a time, within circumstances... to handle the variables and developments of those considerations.
The art is practical and the concepts are entirely sound. I have used some basic wing chun motions against a puncher and had him surprised, but that was with/after studying boxing before i knew wingchun movements, so I was able to engineer my wing chun motion to neutralise the boxing actions. But wing chun kung fu was developed to handle other styles of kung fu. Once you are elsewhere, it is necessary to advance the expression of your art in application against other "types of movement".
Boxing is a system of movement...ju jutsu, tae kwon do, muay thai, kali, kalaripayathu...types and systems of movement. Yes the human body is the same everywhere in the world but its abilities are so dynamic. We must think of what we face and, keeping our system principles and fundamentals, advance our craft to handle other things. Because it can be made to do so!!
I also love Aikido, as it was begun, conceptually. A friend of mine who is an ex soldier, was shocked when I was able to set him off balance and set up for a throw, using aikido principles and basics. Not that fairy soft business people do when they dance around like clouds. I mean Aikido that looks like old Aikibujutsu but with more circular (turn) and angular (enter) actions, that have opponents guessing whats happening next. Atemi strikes and everything.
I think wing chun practitioners MUST study the concepts and motions of punching styles, kicking styles and grappling styles...it must be learnt and known how these things feel and how they work...and then evolve wing chun. That doesnt mean losing traditional wing chun folks. It means honoring the founders and progressing the craft for them to be proud to have left it to us.
Hi Jason, what happened to the girl in the thumbnail? I noticed she is not in the video. Did she get punched while you were making the movie? I hope she is ok.
*Jason* do you have any videos of you 'pressure' testing your style? I'd love to see them.
“Wing Chun will only work in a bathroom stall!” -Bruce Lee
Wing Chun is not as effective as it used to be. However, it contains efficient techniques for a self defence situation, but is just too restricted in mobility and range especially for it to be used effectively on its own.
Notice how in any Competition or MMA match that the fight starts from a far distance between each fighters, whereas in a self-defence situation, the fight starts from a much closer distance.
It is incredibly unpredictable with how a self-defence situation could begin, but in that 1 short moment where you have 1 second to react to the attacker(s) right in front of you, then for that close range attack of yours to work, you must strike first and be direct, as to not waste time and end the situation as quickly as possible before the actual fighting begins.
Now, here is where Wing Chun is most useful, as you can use the tight, close range punches it contains to stun the attacker and run off, which you should always do.If you cannot run away, then you have a chance to follow up on your next attack from the opening you have just created using Wing Chun.
This was the idea of Jeet Kune Do, that you use what was best for the situation and YOU. You absorb what is useful and reject what is not. In this case you would have used Wing Chun, as that was the best approach to creating the opening you needed to escape to situation. The close range attacks were necessary, and if you had to carry on the fight, now you could use the opening to continue the fight, using anything, such as boxing, Muay Thai or a nice kick to the groin. Pretty much anything to get home safe.
JKD is a second-rate system filled with flaws, stiffness, and rigidity! Traditional wing chun is complete and does not have any initial flaws if you know the whole system. Boxing, Muay Thai and the rest suck for the streets. They are incomplete and crappy. It is not restricted in mobility and footwork in the traditional form.
mightymeatmonsta I hope you meant the opposite. If not, then your pretty lost.
No, I didn't. JKD is shit and uses very little wing chun. It uses flawed, and stiff systems, like boxing, Muay Thai, karate, tkd, kickboxing, and jiu-jitsu, which are incomplete and suck for the streets. Wing chun does the forms, which instill into the practitioner, muscle memory, making the response AUTOMATIC and INSTANTANEOUS!! Since they don't do that in JKD, the response changes under stress, or they learn the techniques, footwork or responses INCORRECTLY, which might cause the attack to get through, especially if the person is fatigued. JKD also uses a crappy footwork that is weak. They use fencing, which stands sideways. This means, you are now relying on the hip stabilizer muscles and NOT the larger muscles of the legs, back and buttocks, making it very easy to take you down, sweep the leg, or get behind you because of the smaller area you are showing. They don't use the ten concepts also, which takes out all initial flaws found in other systems like boxing or boxing derivative systems. The ten concepts also give wing chun it's incredible flexibility, which is missing in JKD because it uses crappy, stiff and rigid systems.JKD is a second-rate system!! BL was successful with it because he was almost SUPERHUMAN in speed and power! No one else is like Bruce Lee! This is the ONLY reason he was able to get away with using this crappy system!
@@OfficialVirilamis It works everywhere because that is the intent of the system. I know that JKD is a second-rate system that uses flawed and stiff systems, unlike traditional wing chun, which does not! You AREN'T Bruce Lee and THAT is why this crappy system worked for him, because he was nearly superhuman in speed and power, and you are not!
For the streetz! -Master Wong
Is your name Jason? Located in Greenville South Carolina?
Eric Nathan the one and only. 😎
Ignorance, wing chung is the best martial art
Well, it worked for me. I've done it for 13 years and when I got into a street fight I won. Controll, focus, and stay calm.
The major reason why your Wing Chun doesn't work is that you don't put enough sparring (which are as real life as possible or full contact as possible) in your training sessions. This rationale not only applies to Wing Chun, but it also applies to any other martial art or styles like Karate, Taekwondo, Shao Lin, Muay Thai or Boxing etc. If you learn Muay Thai or boxing etc
but have no sparring sessions, you will not do well in real fights or in fighting tournaments.
Why does everyone say that some styles are outdated and thier style is not. There are only so many ways to use your body. And there has only ever been one person that ever did JKD properly and that was Bruce Lee, it was his Wing chun.
katnatchris didn't Sifu say to Man Sifu "everything that comes from me I'd wing chun" lol this guy is bollox
Nah....wing chun wason the back burner until all the ip man movies came....now all of a sudden....its better'n slice bread
keep smile'n not if you were a true student before the movies fam
What a pathetic defense. Wing chun is taught as a martial arts to clueless people thinking it will make them better fighters and here you are defending it claiming that only person ever did it right. Nonsense and besides the point.
No it wasn't his wing chun. There is very little wing chun in JKD. He only used the center line concept, the straight punch and occasionally, the wing chun cross, simultaneous attack and defense and bridging the gap. That was it. When he was using karate or fencing, he was not using ANY wing chun at all!
C'mon man what you are saying is old as shit , are you trying to reinvent the wheel ?. Bruce lee was the innovator by finding flaws in every martial arts known to man . Bruce lee is the father of jeet kun do , which it's a style that has kept evolving , a style that was not set in stone . If you are going to come here to argue that an mma fighter has a better chance to win a fight against 5 guys , vs a wing Chung practitioner is untrue . A mma fighter has trained to fight a same weight , identical martial arts abilities , and one on one rival . Now put this mma fighter in an New York alley against 5 thugs , who do you thing is going to win ??. Wing Chung is for close quarters , and for multiple attackers . I've practiced many different styles, but I will not concentrated in any . I fight dirty , eye gouging , throat basher etc . The thing is to survive any situation , run if you can .
EivinSukoi JKD isn’t even really a style, just a theory.
Yes I learned from Freddy Wong (Chicago, Illonois) that Bruce Lee did not want to label his innovations to Wing Chun, sense it would set a limitation, or confine it to only certain possibilities.
Thank you too EivinSukoi, I appreciated your input in this list of comments. Because these "realism" debunking talks can get a little out of hand.
>Wing Chung is for close quarters , and for multiple attackers
Wing chun does actually help against multiple attackers. That is if those attackers have practiced wing chun. Then a single untrained man might take on a whole group of misled idiots.
Well said my man... I am now learning these attack close quarters Now in my daily practice at my gym. It's about defense , counter attack close power play offense blitzkrieg!!! Repitition, practice basic moves / hits , blocks , etc... And definetely , Total minset of all impending attack situations! Predator/ prey survival modes.
I was in the Army and was taking combatives. I met another soldier that was taking Kempo Karate. I asked him how he liked it and he said it was good stuff so I went to a week long free class and liked it so I joined. Long story short the soldier that invited me to join the class turned out to be a real ass hole. We ended up fighting on base during a work detail we were on. When I was a kid my father trained me to defend myself implementing boxing, some Jujitsu and Army combatives. This guy studied Kempo for 8 years. He missed every kick he threw at me and only landed one punch that glanced off my cheek. I landed two punches and had him on the ground in an arm bar before he knew what the hell happened. My squad leader broke up the fight and wrote us both up. So with that said this guy is correct. After the Army I was a court officer and private security contractor. I was in a fight with Juveniles sentenced to Juvenile detention almost 4 times a week never needed help. You have to be adaptable in a fight. Being able to think fast and react fast with speed, power and coordination is key.
I don't want to touch too much of the video but your claim about light boxers (147 lbs and lighter.) is plain wrong, knockouts are very common in boxing of all weight classes and a little boxer still has a better chance of knocking your head off your shoulders than a non-boxer (doesn't matter if they're doing Muay Thai or MMA, boxers punch that much better.). It's also uncommon to see boxers who are 'true' 120-147 lb fighters...in their regular life they're walking around much heavier than 140 lbs.
On the subject of weight a good 140 lb boxer has more of their own weight to work with when punching than someone who is not as good at boxing. There's plenty enough meat if put to good use in even an 120 lb person to absolutely knock someone out , obviously heavier fighters don't need to be nearly as technical to hurt
Yeah, it really depends on how much body weight is behind the hit and also accuracy. And also, the target. Side-kick to the knee is a good example. How much force can a knee really take? Or the throat? Or the liver? Not even going to go on about the nut shots.
This is true. Plus these light guys are extremely fast (Speed Kills). I have a sparring partner that is 5 degree Black Belt in TKD. I weigh 175 and he fractured my ribs once with a Step reverse side kick. He also trains MMA fighters, and all these 200 pounder guys have a lot of respect for him, standing up or rolling on the mat.
+nickdobrov I was just talking about a punch to the chin, a good hit from just about anyone to the chin can drop them...has to be good though.
+ZymixProductions I wouldn't say small guys are necessarily much faster always and I was talking about the context of boxing and punching. He didn't claim small guys can't knock people out with kicks, he suggested a small guy can't knock you out. Plenty of big guys have obviously discovered otherwise when encountering some random mouthy little boxer at the nightclub, that's for sure or when they picked a fight with the wrong guy. My only point was you're not 'too small' to have knockout power in your hands below 147 lbs.
I live in Aus, we use kilograms here. The differences sound so dramatic in pounds..but an 130-135 lb person is about 60 kilograms and 155-160 lb person is about 70 kilograms. I myself can fluctuate in a single week sometimes about half that on the scales hahaha (3 or more kilograms.) so it doesn't sound like that dramatic a difference.
7dayspking I agree mate.
90% of the "Wing Chun vs" videos on youtube are absolutely NOT Wing Chun.
I completely understand your love for martial arts and your worry for bad teachings getting people hurt and killed and i'm on board.
HOWEVER you made an entire video based on examples that are off UA-cam and 90% are not Wing Chun.
You start off saying that you can catch a movement of Wing Chun. This is what we want. :/ The moment someone touches our hands or arms, or comes in to strike, they are in our environment.
My 3rd thing is a question here. How many real Wing Chun pracitioners have you sparred with?
Why can't a real wing chung master fight a amateur MMA fighter to prove how powerful it is?
Leu KL is there video of it?
Brian McComas
BINGO!!! I am not even a Chun stylist myself and I know this.
Brian McComas
Let me tell you something quite unfortunate: LOGICALLY we have a style with pretty good lineage information, the style is relatively easy to recognize, and there seem to be a lot of people willing to have a go with it.... So naturally people believe that Wing Chun is represented in the popular lore... It may be illogical but it is not the case.
The guys who I was exposed to when they hit the arm would be black... The punches were damaging and virtually unseen. Just saying because if I had not experienced it, I would not know.
True Scotsmen fallacy. I hate to be that dude, but a pure BJJ guy like Demian Maia went further than any pure Wing Chun guy. Doesn’t mean a guy like Tony Ferguson can’t incorporate some Wing Chun to help him throw elbows though.
I like your points sir. People base their concepts on martial arts on the movies that do them. Wing Chun can be adapted to real life situations, but your points on weight and physics do prove a point. It all goes back to the point of, "They have to understand their style to make it into the real world."
There's no cut and dried rule to all of this sir so it's really up to the practitioner.
Not the art form but the person using it...an idiot using your methods would get beat up also if he didn't effectively apply himself and the art form....
Anderson Khan Agreed! Very well said!
The usual defence no it doesnt work
A good artform breeds good "persons using it" aka fighters. Wing chun doesnt. Wing chun breeds allmost exclusively fighters that cannot fight for shit. And thats a fact, it is what it is. A fighting system is supposed to make you a good fighter if you train under it. Wing chun training doesnt
@Da Gaffer bruce lee never actually fought anyone who can fight for real.
If I developed an art of limp slapping, how would it compare to an art that had been refined for centuries like Muay Thai? Even if I had Anderson Silva as a student using only limp slaps, he wouldn't fare good against any fighter period. Face it, the art matters not just the individual.
‘Why your Wing Chun Won’t Work’
“I’m not saying your Wing Chung wont work...”
lol
Hmm
Im an amateur boxer with 14fights and 3 losses, and have a fight on the 23rd. Also a bjj purple belt, with wrestling experience. with 6 fights in Muay Thai. My coach trained william joppy for some of his fights. A world class USABoxing champion. I switjched gyms and My new coach emphasizes the practicality and Philosophy of wing chin. My guard has become more effecient and im not swatting away anymore and risking a counter attack. Also I have a better time engaging in close range phone booth exchanges, my counter attacks are also more effecient, plus my punches are way more devastating, i dunno how to explain it. Traditional martial arts still works it just has to be edited and reviewed for modern combat. It seems outdated now but served its purpose then, which was for warfare using weapons and fighting multiple assailants at once. A lot of martial artists have skewed views because they have never been tested or been in battle. So their view of martial arts or combat is merely fantasy. But for fighters its a whole different universe and ball game, and most fighters will study relentlessly to gain any advantage, since now you are operating at peak physical performance against another skilled opponent. Not an average joe. Lyoto machida knocked out silva with a front snap kick. Muhammed Ali claimed to have built his style and punches off of his tae kwan do background. Half of why any controversy starts in martial arts is because people fail to learn the ability to APPLY and BELIEVE. But lets be honest, no style is far apart from each other. In the end punches, kicks, elbows, knees, chokes, you name it they are all coming. Its just they are applied differently given the style. And a fighter or martial artist that fails to make small adjustments or adapt to the conditions given to you will perish.
Good point,here in Philadelphia Wing Chun we do the same thing ,get rid of your attacker fast and stop fighting with them like its some contest(MMA). As one of the senior student also the biggest you will not Survive using strength on strength but Technique versus strength such as nerve strikeing(eyes neck nose balls) bone brusing/braking , will help you get home
how can you practice eye gouging and ball kicking full force? or even lightly?
Mr. Orangeaide Eye visor and groin guard
still not gonna help you against a rear naked choke
Mr. Orangeaide if the guy is missing an eye(blood everywhere,blinding AGONY,ahem..BLIND on that SIDE), CAN'T use one HAND(broken and dislocated fingers,snapped metatarsals,ripped-open nerve casings,TORN NERVES,subcutaneous BLEEDING (again,as above,EXCRUCIATING pain,electrical FEEDBACK--(just what you can IMAGINE that feels like)uncontrollable SWELLING-(get to a HOSPITAL)..he's not THINKING about FIGHTING ANYONE anymore.
He's thinking about getting HELP.
And his MORTALITY. (if the PAIN ALONE hasn't turned him into a sobbing,bleeding,self-shitting MESS on the GROUND--(that is, if he's still CONSCIOUS.)
Too many of you motherfuckers out there think"SOME GUY" in a striped shirt is going to pop out of a crack in the SIDEWALK and SAVE your ASS from a MEAN,CALM motherfucker who will HOSPITALIZE you--rather than fuck around trying to get a "regulation KNOCKOUT...
in REAL life--out where the sidewalk ENDS--and there ARE no imaginary 'referees'hitting people on the point of the CHIN is MEANINGLESS.
You ideally want to WALK away..and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the OTHER guy.. (or his FRIENDS--they ALWAYS have "friends".).to EVER think about coming after you AGAIN without horrible waking NIGHTMARES stopping them from doing so.
Just getting "knocked out"won't DO that.
Ya FEEL me? The "CONTEST" part o
it should end EARLY.
*Wow, it seems nearly 247,000 people who watched this* is a Wing Chun master/practitioner.
Typical Internet Martial Arts comment section.
You don't have to be a martial arts master to know when something doesn't work. Being completely squared up (Wing Chun) in an altercation is gonna get you knock the f out..
@Lazio l,
Come to London and let's have a fight. I will record it and post it on UA-cam.
Wing Chun was supposedly strong against faster, larger, and stronger opponents- However, any grapple from towards a wing chun will cause failure. Wing Chun’s made for deflection, any grab will start a advantage to the grabber. Wing Chun isn’t made for fighting grabbers. (However, if against a heavyweight, as you said, a solid hit will cause loss of momentum)
I’ve seen wing Chun work in the cage and in other full contact sparring events. Go to the channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns and look up the video “Wing Chun vs Kickboxing - wing Chun win” and in this video a gentleman has adapted wing Chun and has actually SPARED and learned to use it correctly for the cage. It CAN work.
This video is no fluke either, there are videos of the same person on the same channel of him performing in other full contact events (like sanda/kickboxing) and winning using his Wing Chun. I don’t know how to spell the gentleman’s name but it’s pronounced by Fight Commentary Breakdowns like Sí La La. As far as I know there are three separate videos on that channel of this gentlemen using and applying his wing Chun for full contact events.
This isn’t the only person that has made Wing Chun work for the cage or kickboxing. There are others. Just look up on UA-cam and you can see compilations of Wing Chun working effectively in the cage. It CAN work you just need to spar and put in the time just like you would with boxing or Muay Thai or any other combat sport.
Now, I say it CAN work in the cage and I still stand by that decision. It CAN work but I don’t believe it is OPTIMAL for the cage. In the cage you need several styles to supplement eachother and work effectively. That’s why I said the gentleman in the Fight Commentary Breakdowns video “adapted” his Wing Chun. It’s still very stylistic and you can definitely tell it’s Wing Chun, but I wouldn’t say it’s “traditional” Wing Chun.
I believe Wing Chuns optimal setting for use is in the street. Where there are NO rules and you can strike everywhere the art tells you that you should strike. Chops to the throat, eye jabs, groin strikes, etc.
Can it work in the cage? Yes. Is it optimal for the cage? No. It’s optimal for close quarters trapping/clinching range street self defense.
And just to point this out, don’t take what I’m saying with a grain of salt because you might think I’m “biased”. I actually haven’t really trained Wing Chun. I very sparingly practice it and I’ve never had formal instruction other than the videos I watch online (Greenville Academy or Master Wong Wing Chun for example). And just saying, the reason I don’t practice it very much isn’t because I don’t think it will work, it’s because I don’t really know how to practice it all that well just doing it by myself. Usually you need a partner for drills and I don’t usually have a partner. It’s not like shadow boxing were you can practice by yourself, to practice things like sticky hands and trapping and all the movements you should preferably have another body in front of you. So, to put it simply, I practice it as often as I can but as often as I can isn’t that often. Make sense? Not because I don’t think it will work, but because I don’t have someone to practice with. Probably only once or twice a week can I get some training drills in.
Like I said I don’t practice it very much and I wouldn’t call myself a “Wing Chun fighter”, I’m actually more of a boxer or a jiu jitsu fighter if anything. I’m just tired of seeing this poor martial art getting bashed on because there are so many bad users of it out there. Like even boxing “won’t work” if you don’t use it properly if your lazy with your footwork or slow on punch retraction or don’t take your head off centerline etc. But nobody ever shows off the “bad boxers” or the “bad mma fighters”. But everyone definitely shows off the “bad Wing Chun fighters” and therefore it gets dubbed as a shit martial art. It’s not.
I’m just trying to say, it’s more about the person training it than the actual martial art. Any martial art can be “bad” if the user doesn’t put in the proper time, drills, sparring, etc.
Great videos sir I love them please continue to make uploads.
*It is NOT the style that wins the fight - but the fighter themselves!!!*
Lmao Wing Chun isn't meant to sit there and trade punches it's meant to kill or seriously fuck up your opponent in one or 2 hits
Most of these commenters are saying very arrogant things that lead me to believe that they have never been in a real fight before.
95% of these Chunners over here has never been in a fight.
@@lionsden4563 most people havent been in a fight mate, martial arts are a form of self defence but most people will not get into a fist fight
@@Motherforker-c2o,
That i can agree upon you mate.
Wing Chun not effectively? There are lots of videos on YT of people knocking somebody out cold by "slapping" them on the jaw area. In other words: To knock somebody out cold doesn't take brute force. Its even pointless to knock somebody out with brute force because you will injure or fracture your own hand. Thats also the reason why many fighters always have injures, simply because of the power used with the blows. Kung Fu or Wing Chun is about SPEED and not power. MMA can be effective to all fighting sports except MMA. There is no telling which MMA fighter will win because its all about luck or wether the one who makes a mistake and eats a punch... or the one who lost all his energy during the fight and therefore can not defend himself effectively. Wing Chun is defensive fighting with counterattacks and not offensive. A wing Chun fighter will definitely face a challenge with a kickboxer or MMA fighter, especially because kickboxers and MMA fighter have more real fighting experience. On the other hand... A Wing Chun fighter should be able to block any power punch or kick simply because they see it coming from a mile away.
I been training wing Chun for a while and I fully agree with you. You weren't bashing wing Chun. Most wing Chun schools don't do realistic training and enough sparring to make their techniques work.
So true I was always taught that Wing Chun is constantly evolving and changing like water finding a crack
So fighting against 150 lb guys back then, don't work against 200 lb guys now....
Well better beat the learning curve, & start working on 300 lb guys now, then be told in the future your thing don't work cause you didn't fight against 400 lb guys in the future....
Wing chun can be very agressive to if you know how to use it
But being faster is more effective than being bigger cause kinetic energy= 1/2mass x velocity ^2
Depends if u can take a punch I guess
@@robinghimire826 did he say K=MA? Dipshit
about that comment regarding untrained people throwing different kinds of punches to different parts of the body...who have you been fighting? Because practically everyone I've ever seen, if they have no real training, end up doing about 90% haymakers and the occasional body shot. Maybe they might do something particularly eccentric like an uppercut every now and then. That's literally about the extent of what the average person throws.
The title was also very clickbaity. The techniques can work very well for other kinds of punches, it's just that generally the exercises that seem to be done don't really focus much on other kinds of punches.
That's facts. In a real street fight, haymakers are pretty much the only attack an untrained opponent will throw. It opens up their guard and practically gives you a free chain punch. But in general the object in a street fight shouldn't be to beat the snot out of your opponent, it should really be about receiving little to no damage, preserving your life and if possible your opponent's, and to remove yourself from the situation as quickly and safely as possible. So in terms of making a fight short Wing Chun is a massive advantage. The speed and concentration of the blows in traditional Wing Chun are good for distracting or disabling an opponent long enough for you to turn around and get out of the situation.
All good points. Which brings me to my worry about chain punching. If you are fast enough to chain 4 punches together, you might be facing a boxer who can chain 2 power shots together just as fast, or faster. This can be a problem.
Clearly this guy hasn't seen Master Wong
Omfg u freaking dumbass those things that master Wong teaches you is BS...... I swear Wong will get knocked out in a real fight just 2 punches 1 2 and dead
Master Wong would fuck this guy up
@@beastlyjoke8379 Master Wong is the guy that will do most damage among 'em all...I WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THE ART and tecniques...If it is real life fight,Master Wong has it all to participate in a fight.He has it all that can't be learned-you're either born with it or you arent...I mean,he's cocky,he's aggresive,HE HAS BALLS ! He believes in himself and he wont give up.No matter how good you are ,and no matter what your style is ,if you dont have balls you're lost...Clearly Master Wong has the balls,has the agressive style that many others do not have.Sure,he wont use those fancy moves irl situation,probably he will go for some boxing,but he's fast,sure irl knows what hes doing... ;)
*How exactly you "teach" someone based on toughts and mentality ... The only way to deal with fear is to face it -there's no other way
Yeah Master Wrong 😂😂😂😂 of course. He is just like the clown in a circus, he cannot be taken seriously.
A style is like a car. It has its identifying trade marks. At its roots it is ultimately the same technology as all other cars. If someone is hit by a car...the manufacturer is not charged with dangerous driving...the driver is! Cultivation of self is the root of martial arts...and no matter the style it's the psychological state of the artist that dictates success.
Interesting analogy! That goes for every martial art!
And if the car itself is a piece of crap? Every good driver has a car that meets their needs, most people who learn to drive in a good school and have a good car learn to drive adequately. It seems that a lot of TMA guys aren't good drivers, is it because only idiots choose to drive those cars and learn from those schools?
Great video. Thank you. I'm just getting into WC. Like Mr Miyagi said to karate kid, "Don't get hit." My father boxed welter weight, I think he was 125 pounds, he was Golden Glove 1945 during WW2. He had 105 fights, New York to Chicago, won 100 by knock out. His friends told me he would have been world champ if he did not get drafted.
My Grandmaster is William Cheung. My teacher Joe Mohengi - Joe fight others bigger than him, street and ring, kick boxers who ever, his punch break there ribs, knock them out. I fight begger boxers, easy deflecting all there punches. All about using footwork.
Sure you do. You probably leap over tall buildings in a single bound and run faster than a bullet too.
Heavy weight boxers need a good chin because they are much slower and less likely to be able to avoid being hit.
That is one of the purposes of Wing Chun. It was never meant to go head to head or punch for punch with heavier people.
If you are faced with a much bigger opponent then once you can close the distance take out an eye or both eyes.
Or hit to the throat. No art on the planet will allow you to go punch for punch with a much heavier opponent.
Grappling would be a good option against a bigger attacker - just hope he/she does not have grappling skills or you may be in trouble.
Running is usually a better choice if you have that option.
Wing Chun by itself is not enough. Before you say what would i know I have been doing WC for 15 years and martial arts for 30 so not some newbie at this. Cross train - striking arts, throwing arts, groundfighting arts. Pressure test ALL of them or they are just arts and not martial.
I'm a young buck by comparison with boxing and wrestling background. I ADORE Wing Chun because it doesn't require gymnastic levels of flexibility so it conforms well to my inflexible body type. Mix that with some basic boxing and you get a pretty mean combo that can fluster a lot of people.
@@i-evi-l Yes I would agree with that. Once you get very good at boxing and Wing Chun I would advise learning a grappling art as well. Even if you think it is not your cup of tea it will open up your mind to a whole new world of combat and make you a well rounded more complete fighter.
Keep training hard.
in boxing under welder weight there are many many knock outs. Its about speed accurracy and suprise ellement. wing chun is an art that is stuck in the past with make believe techniques. wing chun has great philosophies but it should be looked at in present fighting and try it in real life sparring sessies. All those many hours of practicing chi sao and doing all those traps in real life sparring, in close combat if you will, will not work cuz you get hit very simple.
The one guy at every party you cut through the side room to not have to talk to.
Anyone taking Wing Chun into an offensive fight is asking for it. Most martial arts have characteristics that often dictate the scenario where they work the best. Wing Chun was developed for ladies in very close combat situations. Sort of like an early Krav Maga. It's best employed as an ambush style while on the defence.
Contrast with Muay Thai, which was developed by the Royal Guard to protect the King on the battlefield. It's a offensive style designed to incapacitate you quickly and move on.
Si Ian Tan so is it safe to say wing Chun is more of a defensive technique
No. Wing Chun was not developed for ladies. lol. It was refined from the animal forms with the intention of basing it off human anatomy. It was named after a woman. You need to bone up on your history.
If Wing Chun is so ineffective, why did Bruce Lee steal so much from it? Like most of it. Even the name Jeet Kune Do is stolen. Way of the intercepting fist is a Wing Chun principle.
Thank you for this message and preventing people from getting hurt. An ineffective martial art is worse than relying on a plastic replica gun.
You do have a point. Don't worry about getting flak for this, it's YOUR opinion, YOUR perspective. I personally like kicks but low kicks.
And that is smart because there is less chance to stop it and to be unbalanced by a low kick. It also allows you to close the distance a lot more quicker that way, since you have less of a distance to drop the leg.
mightymeatmonsta Exactly!
If you’re going to teach someone something then you should be a good fighter too. You look like crap when you spar. You are slow, uncoordinated, and awkward in your every movement. I don’t even need to know martial arts to kick your a**. I could watch “the karate kid” and know more than enough to take you. It is the student who finds the application for the techniques that he/she is taught that makes the difference in the fight. 95% of Kung fu’s techniques are not allowed in MMA sports because they will gouge out your eyeballs, chop your throat, snap your leg and leave you to die. Of course if you tell a king fu master that he can’t use 95% of his techniques then someone may have a fighters chance but you let a no holds barred match take place then your a$$ is history.
James Wilson
Good point . a lot of these mma fights are elite athletes with rules. A lot of violent people have it in their DNA.
Wing chun philosophy is brilliant ! Along with Tai chi and jeet kune do. Some techniques seem generic but applied at the right level and placement would be lethal.
I hate when people criticize wing chun ...Bruce Lee was lightning fast . even James Demile said Bruce Lee was lethal and explosive at 130 pounds . wing chun is offensive not defensive anyways . who's gonna stand around and wait to get hit!?!
James Loran Thank you!! Any instructor who knows anything about fighting will be honest about the applications they teach. Saying that any martial arts is not applicable is a flat out lie and also gives the students unwarranted confidence in a fight. Bruce lee was right when he said “never hold yourself to one discipline”, but he also said that “I don’t fear the guy who practiced a thousand different kicks, I fear the guy who practiced the same kick a thousand times”. This guy is a complete whack job. I’m not even mad that he said “wing chun”. I dislike this guy because he’s trying to say something outside of his own art. I don’t know what art he practices but he is not good at it. If you don’t believe me just watch his weak ass video again. Hahahahaha thanks for the comment it made my day.
Also look at his like to dislike ratio. That should tell you something there. I’m sure that most of his likes are from people who know nothing about fighting and the rest are from his b@&$h students. It’s pretty pathetic when the average joe can walk into that dojo and and destroy the instructor. I call that the opposite of teaching.
I don't much enjoy bashing myself but I do agree the man does look very poor in his technique meaning he has little understanding of his body.
Perhaps his strategies will make sense, but he can't move. He's talking about poor event integrity but he himself is being compliant teaching the guy in this video and also using late telegraphic motions that a good practitioner wouldn't use. If I recall he's a JKD guy isn't he? Which means his system uses both Wing Chun and boxing, but he's kinda crap at both. He's what he is bashing.
But some of what he says is true at the same time. You need to have the proper mindset and not try to stylize your wing Chun. But again, he really seems to me like he is what he says you shouldn't be from the few videos I've seen of him.
@@knightrider9742 wing chun is about attacking and defending same time
one thing I love about your videos (and I wish I was local to train at your school because of this), is when you say we teach ip man's wing chun but we teach it for 2017 [modern day]... and you take into account that there's a significant difference between the body types between people just in southern china 30+ years ago, and people in a country that has people from around the world. You're adapting and that's great, as opposed to those who stick to lineages, and tradition (I'm looking at you william cheung chun'ers with your "traditional wing chun" bs).
Everyone knows the street is different from the classroom, but you missing a lot of fundamental differences and aspects of Kung FU. for instance, Routing, yielding changing your directions when someone strikes, you using hands to block kicks, not taught in my system. I can understand it but I also see the floor. Kung fu is a matter of practice and dedication. there always a difference in the street to class. kung fu is teaching you to kill or end the fight. You in your video continue to move backward giving range to your opponent, why? you're taking out your ability to strike in close and not taking away your attacker's weapons to strike with. (you can't through I giant haymaker or hook if I'm standing face to face with you. Now I still have elbows, palm strikers, close punches and locks. Each so-called expert master has a floor to there concept. If your mindset it to win a fight rather than survive a fight or to end it quickly. That alone is as much a part of fighting as skills and practice. If you feel a punch or strike from an experienced Kung Fu Student. Let them hit you. it is nowhere near the same as how a boxer hits you or kickboxer hits you. to quote bruce lee, " I don't fear the man who knows a 1000 kicks, I fear the man who has done one kick a 1000 times" . Discipline, practice, and application are a huge difference here.. In my opinion, your argument is floored. I am 20 stone man If I hit you with a Hook your would know about it for sure, but If I hit you with a well-drilled yang punch putting my energy, practice, and size to use. the punch is devastating. compared to a stand boxers punch
Train traditional, apply for modern world. It's all there so explore.
Sun Wu Kong Modern Training methods are what help traditional methods work
Exacly what I am going to be telling people Sun Wu Kong. I went to a violent school system and saw the way these animals fight. i have observed their predicatble styes of brute force, or unexpected cheap shots, but that is what we train for! and with something a bit more sophisticated we can diffuse their methods. I guess take W.C. as a tool and add it to what is already obvious about two guys trying to break each others nose.
That's one I won't forget. Very powerful statement.
Right. Traditional wing chun IS complete as a system, has the proper footwork, proper way to close the distance, and the ten concepts.
If you mean using modern methods to train but maintaining the traditional system, then yes, it will help you train better.
I've been practicing Wing Chun for 20 years in an Ip Ching lineage school. Anyone that puts WC up against other martial arts, as an argument for or against Wing Chun, is only fooling themselves and their students. If you bring up MMA or BJJ, you're swerving into lunacy. WC is simple, effective, and has no place in anything other than for an average John or Jane Does looking for an advantage in a scary McDonalds situation. or walking across a college campus. Just like any kind of Karate, JKD, TKD. It's what it is.
stop doing video-shit like that , if U don'y understand Kung-Fu that's Ur problem , that , a lot of people think that Kung-Fu is "dancing" , they are wrong , Wing Chun , and every style that is KUNG-FU are not only fighting , it's style of live , if U didn't spend Ur live in training Kung-fu just don't make vid about it , we , people who train it, we can say something more about it , boxing is not "Best style of fighting"
Jak_Mil I totally agree with you!
@@thedisturbedone9382 that's nice!
(Sorry for slowly answer)
Have a nice day!
@@Jak_Mil It's okay :) You too have a nice day! Train well :D
Wingchun is like slap fighting. Im a boxer and i can beat you with just one hand. Wingchun is full of flashy moves but cant be used in real fight. It has been proven in many videos, real masters of wingchun getting knocked out and whats your reason being beaten "he's not a real master".. Yeah right! Get a life and practice real martial arts like mma.
He's right! There are several versions of wing chun! And most of them aren't very good! By this I mean the way they're taught! I've personally been exposed to three different variations of the style!
1. The first one, I started talking with an old friend! It's pretty much the same version displayed in all these UA-cam videos! Too much emphasis on meeting force with force! And the transition from move too move was quite robotic!
2. This second version, was used by this girl! She was competing against one of my fellow wing chun students in a match! And while she was about 15% quicker and totally outclassed my classmate...her moves were still robotic!
3. This third version? My friend/coworker had learnd this version! This version of the style was the real deal! It was a good 40% above the first two versions mentioned! His form was flawless! His reaction time?...very good! He was especially good at the sticky hands "or adhering aspect of wing chun" as well as using an opponents force against them!
Just to emphasize the point, I'm only a purple belt in okinawan kenpo! And learnt some basic techniques of praying mantis, tiger claw and whatever else my cousin taught me! I sparred the Chinese dude teaching the first version of the style mentioned! Now I'm not saying I'm any good (I'm not even at the halfway point of the guy that initially taught me...my cousin!" And I still completely outclassed the wing chun teacher!
My buddy that knew the third version though?...I had to be on point! As mentioned, his sticky hands was so good, that the only way I could survive our sparring sessions was to counter him using praying mantis! They do have similar aspects after all! Lol
As a wing chun practitioner I refuse to believe this because it’s not about the fighting style it’s about you and I believe all forms of martial arts are unique in their own ways
I learned my Gong Fu from library books and UA-cam videos. I learned actual real world street fight application. I grow up fighting in a gang infested neighborhood. Fighting against maultipal attackers, and bigger fighters. Adaptability is supposed to be a key component of Wing Chun. I would be able to teach a fighter to crush a lot of fighters I see misrepresenting Wing Cun on UA-cam; but I don't teach because I don't believe in fighting. My Wing Chun is not self defense. It is artistic chaos. It is a tool of death. I am not a master. I am a boxer.
You are a massive knob.
Any fighting art form or system around the world is good it's all on you if you think it doesn't work its not for you or you need to understand the art more and keep training it
Miguel Ramirez don try n help this guy understand real martial arts lmao he's ah poser let em be😂💯
Anderson silva used wing chun a lot during his ufc fights and won a shit ton.
It has to do with the fighter his discipline and his experience.
Not every boxer is good just because they learn the basic and can throw a punch just like every guy that can make a basket won't make it to the NBA. It takes more then that.
@cmonbro I never said he only used wing chun I said he used it a lot during his fights and it was very effective. You've got to remember that wing chun is more of defensive style wing chun means. beautiful springtime. It's made to be graceful. So of course if u go up against someone of pure muay thai a strictly offensive and killing instinct style of fighting you're going to most likely get destroyed.or even JJ for that matter which is like the number 1 fighting for really whooping ass.
@cmonbro I honestly have nothing else to say. If you want to remain stupid forever. That's on you. I forgot you already know it all.
I quote a saying from long ago..." In the highest realms of Kung fu...there is MORE to the fist than its form." (not bruce lee's saying, lol!!)
Personally, I say this...if a man strikes a tree (no padding) softly but firm for a certain amount of years..he will grow a (calcium) over the knuckles. (even BOXER'S/MMA FIGHTER'S do not have this).. he may also turn the white areas in his muscles to red...
Now because of this...he can kill a man with a full blow .. let's say mid region center line..or because he UNINTENTIONALLY developed chi in his striking arm..now he even gives the opposition a sort of DIM MAK injury to boot.
Yet this man DID NOT practice so call martial arts in his life....
To the maker of this video...DO NOT (ASSUME) WHAT YOU WILL HAVE FOR DINNER BECAUSE YOU (KNOW) THE MENU.....FOR it is the (BODY) not the mind that changes before and after every meal...even though the (FOOD) may remain in repetition.
Oh look, a guy that thinks Dim Mak has to do with invisible magic energy.
Its a chest compression that hits the heart. You learn it in CPR and is basically impossible to do to a standing person.
@@i-evi-l invisible magic energy? I dont think you know what chi means bro... however i did stop reading at chi aswell 😂 chi is about focus and breathing calmly. (Concentration).
@@adarktrap7361 Not at all. I and others view the concept Chi as a name for transferring and building kinetic force. It was cooked up as a metaphysics to explain physics before physics was what its known as. Historical context is everything. Use the example of why an old sifu can break a board without breaking his hand while a larger younger guy breaks the board but also breaks his hand. We know now it's a matter of form physics rather than just raw strength. They didn't have that concept en masse back then and still don't even in this day.
@@i-evi-l so you dont know how to use your chi? Thats all this tells me. If you think CHI and FORM are the same i would question if you understand form aswell.. but then again, you gotta do it your way. Also words that sre the same as chi
Chi, chakra wheel, flow, prana, spirit.
Dont be mistaken its not magic its the same force that animates living things to live. Imo 🤷♂️ but the western interpretation of chi really dont have to abilty to understand it.
@@adarktrap7361 I deal with the Hat Man