Actually the founder of Wingchun was 5 Masters at the Shaolin Temple of time, one of which was Ng Mui, they were creating a new style that would be more effective and learned quicker to combat the fighters the government was hiring st the time. One of the Masters Bak Mei (White eyebrows) aka Pai Mei tipped off the government and thus the Shaolin temple was burned down. The Masters escaped including Ng Mui and in her travels she met the girl Wingchun and passed the teachings onto her.
All I can say is this, first generations students of Yip Man were fighters, second generation of students were tacticians, and third generation student live of the fame of the first and second generation students.
No, you need BOTH! You need to have an iron fist so you know that people know you aren't a pushover. And you need respect and morality to guide that in the right direction.
No, Duncan Leung is not one of them. He was taught the modified system. There are about 2 or 3 left, one being Grandmaster William Cheung who knows the whole system, including proper footwork, and proper way to close the distance as well. There are a couple left in Thailand as well.
From what I was taught, Grandmaster Yip Man had many students who learned various amounts from him. He only had 6 private Bai Si (formally sworn in) disciples. Sifu Duncan Leung was in fact one of them. Sifu Allan Che Kong Lee, the 6th and last disciple of Yip Man, was another. He was also teaching until he passed away in 2016.
I am reading the comments for a half an hour now... And i cant take it anymore. I am a certified Wing Chun instructor (WWCA, Sifu William Cheung's origin). I was lucky enough to personally met and train under the Grandmaster and Ip Man's nephew Lo Man Kam. I am practiceing martial arts, since i am old enough to travel on the bus alone. I did learn 16 different approch of martial arts, including the hardest ones, like Muay Thai and even real soft ones like Thai Chi. I was competing in full contact heavy weight championships for six years, and i was able to win and defend champion titles. I am teaching WC, JKD, and Escrima for 13 years now, i even have students of my own with country and continental champion titles. I only say all these so if somebody reads this, the you will know where i am coming from. About Mr. Leung Ting... He is not a grandmaster of anything. Never reached high enough rank in any style to even be considered to be an istructor. I heard all kind of stories (from Lo Man Kam, who is actually the part of Ip Man,s family) about him, but i am not bothering even spreading them. He is a business man nothing more. Common sense: just take a look at his students in the video. Is the first thing what is coming to your mind is an athlete? Somebody who trains regulary? Are the movements feel well practiced? You can answer these questions without any martial arts experience... Wing Chun is supposed to be a so called "inner-style" martial arts, so nobody going to be looking like a wrestler, but that is not mean you not supposed to train your body. About Sifu Cheung Cheuk Hing (William Cheung). As far as i know he is still holding a few world records, including the fastest fully extended punch and the most fully extended punch under 1 minute. He personally helped developened a trainig system for american special forces deep scouting units (and those guys are not fucking around). I was lucky enough to be his "dummy" for a demonstration and he actually give me premission to attack him. (dont forget we talking about a thin, short, chinese guy with a wierd smile on his face and even his back was bended by old age, i think he was around 62 years old back then). I was alredy competing in full contact heavy weight kick-boxing and even MMA for 3 years. I was not even able to estabilish contact with him. We not talking about strikes, or blocks or grabs... I could not touch his jacket. And trust me i was not holding back out of respect or something... So yeah... dont talk shit about a martial grand master unit you actually met one. About this whole MMA vs Martial arts madness... This is a completly usless debate. MMA is more like a chess game. Everyone knows the moves, everyone knows the rules, everyone preparing for the same thing. If you are prepared better, you probably going to win. End of story. Martial Arts is NOT a sport. There are no rules, and there are no preparation, and trust me you will not know all the moves. I always loved when a MMA fighter came to my class asking me to prove "my worth" so he can deside is it usfull for him or not. Most of the time i just send these pricks away, but sometimes i used them for a little demonstration in the class. For you sport-fighters out there: Imagine the next: You start a fight. You slowly stealing the distance so you can try someyhing. You maybe trow a few "checking-jabs", just to see what will happen. And as you extend your arm the very first time you got elbow locked, or elbow broken and you did not even see how. I know it is worth shit in writing, hard to imagine. Here is a more easier example: Soon as you look at me the way i know it is going to be a fight, i spit you in the eyes, kick you in the balls and hook-lock your knees in the same time. Block that MMA genius. Sorry, but i felt i need to make my point "ego-proof". Do you getting the picture now? About the worth of Wing Chun... I tried a lot of different styles. I was even really good in a few of them. But none of them tought me to be as efficient as WC. The main principles and the theories are opened a whole new world for me. If you never practiced WC under a good teacher (and here is the real problem... Good WC teachers are very, VERY rare) you will never understand this statement. Once you know a little something about WC's "6 gate principle" or the estabishing center line, and re-estabilishing center line idea you will never going to have problems with blocking agian. I always loved the face expression on students when they first have they fight blind-folded. That is the moment when you never fear a fight again. Do i fight like a tipical WC fighter if somebody jumps on me on the street? NO. Wing Chun is the perfect guidence. It is like learn reading before buying a book. If you wanna be a fighter you will have to branch out eventually. But the traditional principles (what i was only able to get from WC) are shortening 10 years of practice into a great summer. You dont know proper blocking untill you learned a bit of WC, and you never have so good reflexes wich cant made better with Wing Chun. Do you know the ending in the Matrix movie? When Neo finally gets it? And he is blocking everything with one hand, and Mr Smith getting fucked in the ass? In the real life it is called "Falling Tree Leaf". And it is works on MMA dudes. Trust me, i know.
"Yeah ! Bullshit, because I said so ! Don't try to come back on me or this sentence shithead. We will call you a kid and start insulting you ! MMA is better because we say so. MMA is no good in the street, but we still say so."
Hahaha .. Loved it man. "Falling Tree Leaf" ? Thank you very much forthe story and your clarifications. Yes, I felt just from the way this guy was talking he is not real. And I could understood WC from the very first time I had tried it as young boy but never could continue to really train. I wished I would have been able now but my body is broken a bit and I cant help my self. Hence I am a spirit dancer an when in trance you can see the Bushido in its perfection. But as told I never learned technics and fighting, unfortunate, because I got hurt lot since I cant stand injustice and had to stand up always against. Thank you again for your great story I really enjoyed it! There are lot of lunatics and ignorants out there, who easily can denythat is infront of their very eyes. For example Bruce Lees demonstrations of explosive energy with his high skilled martial art. Chuck Norris and him like individuals ar a shame for the truthfull ones. Therefore it is good tobe traiend do one can stand for Truth, protect one self an the beloveds from culprits. Thank you =
I had once the honor of taking part in one of his seminars. He immediately enchanted us with his easy going informal style. A student asked him about Kiai and Chi Quong deadly techniques and he like a puppet master started controlling the body of a student and throwing invisible punches from afar and the "victim" was knocked to the floor...It took a minute for us to realise that the joke was on us, and he had a bit of fun on our expanse. :) He of course told us that those "deadly" techniques are just cons for money.
Martial arts doesn’t matter on age or gender it matters on how you use it,practice nothing will come fast. So it’s annoying how some people call some martial arts useless or make fun of it. But it’s not the fighting style it’s the person
@stanly stud If you knew me I would see the logic behind your suggestion. But you're assuming things, and based on those assumptions you speak. But sometimes the ones who give the advice are the very ones who need it the most.
My Sifu (instructor/master) has been taught by IP Ching who is the son of IP man, and now I'm being taught by IP Ching's student for almost 5 years now
Martial arts for my self, is very powerful. There is no better than the other .It is a language spoken through tradition and all forms and must be respected that way. In the world, we feel one language is better than another,and we want to learn all languages so we may speak. But when we speak it is all mumbled.Because,we speak without understanding the meaning of the words,yet it is the same language. All must learn to speak,and understand.But language is recognised through expression of its intended emotion. For myself,realizing this brings forth great humility for my brothers in arms,and humility to the true masters of all forms for whom I bow down respectfully for keeping the integrity of your language ,for i can learn many ,but only understand a few.
According to wang kiu, yip man taught leung ting over a feud yip man had with leung sheung. I don't know the exact details of the feud but The idea was leung ting would be able to show leung sheung things he had never seen. Although i am not a fan of leung ting it is a fact that he was taught by yip man in the final months of his life thus receiving yip mans final thesis on the art.
Actually, he is NOT the last student of Yip Man to say the truth he never was a student of Yip Man! There was a press conference after Yip Man's death by a couple of real Yip Man students such as Wong Shun Leung Lok Yiu etc. And there was this book he gave to my Sifu which he signed with Thank you something and then Si Sok Wang Kiu. Mind you here there is not written Si Hing but Si Sok which means younger Kung Fu uncle because Wang Kiu was the Si Dai of Leung Ting's sifu Lun Shun who was also an original student of Yip Man. Now, I am not saying he can't do any Wing Chun I leave that up to others just he is not and never has been a student of Yip Man. Does it matter that totally depends on what way you look at it. Personally, I think somebody who is using his/her own name to be set out there and succeeds is better than the one using somebody else's name but that is just me. The story of Ng Mui was written in the 1950s as a promotional story by a student of Yip Man who worked at a newspaper it is a promotional story, not a real story. The truth the matter is Yim Wing Chun if there ever was a girl named like that she surely did not do any Wing Chun lol. You can trace that back all the way into China's Wing Chun lineages who should all have the same founder, right? If you look at Ng Mui her Kung Fu does it strike any similarity with Wing Chun? No, it doesn't is that not really odd then? Wing Chun comes from the "Wing Chun Hall" in Shaolin where people refined there kung fu and took out all the unnecessary things to make something more practical. The Nun who was teaching in there did make tofu though but she was not Ng Miu. So yes there are some truths in the Ng Mui - Yim Wing Chun stories like the tofu thing and the fact it was probably founded by a nun or taught by the nun from the Wing Chun Hall in Shaolin. The tofu is also important in our system it got to do without punches but that is a whole different story. Now always remember even if a somebody is a good fighter he might not be able to do some good teaching as well.
Right. He NEVER trained with Ip Man because he started in the middle 1960's and by that time Ip Man was too sick to teach from cancer and he was addicted to opium for the pain. He (Leung Ting) was taught by a student of a student and only learned about half the system. Right again. Ng Mui NEVER existed and neither did Wing Chun. It was actually a rouse to keep the Manchurian government off the backs of the monks in the temple while they trained to overthrow the government and develop wing chun, which was developed by the five elders and includes white eyebrow, white crane, choy li fut, hung gar and shaolin.
@@richardallan455 And THAT, Richard, is a travesty of justice! How can you teach a system you, yourself, do not know fully? People like Leung Ting learned about half the system so his system is loaded with wholes, flaws and stiffness. You MUST have a deep understanding of the system to teach it in a way a rank beginner can understand.
Right. Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun never existed! There are records that date back that far, and their names aren't on them. It was just a rouse to pull the Manchurian government off the trail of the Shaolin temple, while, as you so aptly said, they trained and developed the new system, wing chun. Wing chun was developed by the five elders of the Shaolin Temple. There were five systems that were used to develop wing chun. They are white eyebrow, white crane (hence the story of the crane and snake), hung gar, Choy li fut (it wasn't called that at the time, but was a variation of it), and Shaolin.Tofu????? No, there is no tofu in our system. Maybe toe jam when you stub your toe! Wrong! A good fighter and teacher SHOULD know the complete system, and inner workings, and have a deep understanding, being able to explain it in a way even a rank beginner can understand. That is the ONLY way to pass on the entire system! This has been a problem over the centuries. Some of the more important aspects of wing chun were lost along the way when modified was developed by Leung Bik Chan Wah-Shun was being taught by Leung Bik. Since he was NOT a family member, he was not privy to the entire system. He would spy on Leung Bik, trying to learn the entire system, which included the PROPER footwork (circle inside the triangle). Leung Bik knew of this and changed certain aspects of the system. He changed the stance from 50/50 to the crappy 70/30 (which pushes your energy backward, not forward, as it should!), changed the footwork to LINEAR instead angled (said circle in the triangle), and entry techniques as well as leaving out certain other important aspects of the traditional system. This is where the whole trouble started. You see, Chan Wah-Shun was taller and heavier than most Chinese, so he was able to use the modified system successfully, which means he taught others this system, without all the components, making it less effective against boxers and grapplers (due to the crappy stance and linear movement, which keeps them directly in front of the opponent, which is very dangerous!). This is why learning the WHOLE system in traditional wing chun is best. It works much better against ALL systems, and not just some.
Yeah. The guy is from Hong Kong, and his main school was on Nathan Rd. in Kowloon, but he speaks English and Mandarin as well as Cantonese, and often teaches classes with a mix of people from different places, so he switches back and forth a lot.
@@VTSifuSteve Another fucking clown teaching an incomplete wing chun and ripping people off! What happens if they die in the streets because of your lack of proper teaching? Is that going to affect you at all that you helped KILL this person???
@@mightymeatmonsta stop hating and fight me instead. i trained wing chun for 28 years im 32 now and i defeated alot of people and this is facts its not useless .u keep hating but still watchingg.u a silly man or woman.so fight me and when i beat ur ass up y will see it is effective.U NUCKLEHEAD.PEACE.✌
I trained under Grandmaster Leung Ting 1980 we established the first Wing Tsun school in Texas the HQ was Austin Texas. And in 1988 I introduced it to Mexico. I now teach in Austin Texas.
@@mightymeatmonsta did you train with him. And if you did when and for how long? It’s worked for me. Had no problems with it, by the way I started my martial arts training in February 1966. Old school Blood n guts Karate. SORYU. I come from a fighting system. I am still around. Age 72. Almost 73. I have been to Kaoshiung Taiwan where I trained in Wing chun. And in the phillipines where I was fortunate enough to learn Kali. Arnis Eskrima. I was the pioneer of wing Tsun in Texas and Mexico.
I'm happy to learn the philosophy of Wing Tsun is ethical. The seeming lack of ethics has turned me off from most martial arts. But I was drawn to the philosophies of Tai Chi and Aikido due to the concern for others instead of desiring to destroy others out of anger and lack of concern. I wish I could learn Wing Tsun someday. I'm 44 and maybe can't learn something so physically challenging.
Yes, it was proven it was a myth and she and Ng Mui never existed. There is a BIG difference between traditional, which works, and modified, which does not. This is because modified is missing key elements found only in traditional like proper footwork, proper way to close the distance and the ten concepts, which make traditional work properly and completely. It also has grappling and other elements like pressure point training as well.
@mightymeatmonsta try your Dim Mak on my "modified" Wing Chun, my dude. I have yet to meet a "Traditional Wing Chun™" guy who can best me, despite what they spout about "Traditional" and "modified". William Cheung made all that stuff up. (plenty of "modified" Wing Chun folks have shown me up, though. Hmm. Wonder why that is. Maybe someone training in real Wing Chun for ages can beat someone training in real Wing Chun (what you call "modified") for less time.)
A lady created that style to defend herself from men...each disciple just added to it as time passed by like bruce did to ip man style took it another notch...
@@marctang3802 Um no, Leung Ting used to hit his wife (hardly a legend). A legend is Wong Shun Leung or Bruce Lee, and also Yip Man. These three are true legends!
He was NOT a master. Stop saying that! He was a sifu at best! He only knew 2/3rds of the modified system! He would have lost to then-Master William Cheung or Master Wong Shun Leung, who would have destroyed him because they both know the whole systems.
The best style is ultimately no style at all. Once you have mastered your body, you just use your instinct to fight. Thinking or limiting yourself to principles and rules is what makes you weak
No, because no system is kaos. Traditional wing chun IS the best system because it is complete and made for the streets, unlike most of the others, which aren't.
@wanye clark why even master your body if no style is the best style isnt not master the best master so if no training is the best training then why even train ? So the question here is how do you become the ultimate one without a style ?
@@mightymeatmonsta if it is make for the street does it mean it is not make for other place ? So the question here is then where is it make for and why was it even make in the first place ?
@@ChannelLogic No. Sports application martial arts are much different. They are missing key elements that make them work in the street and are incomplete. For example, boxing does not have kicks, grappling, or train weapons or multiple opponents. Sports application martial arts were designed for the ring and limited applications. The real applications and scenarios have been taken out. Real street martial arts were made to be used in a deadlier street, and have no boundaries on their use, so they are made to end a fight quickly and deal with real scenarios.
I trained in a Wing Chun gym in Hong Kong, solo with 4 instructors 8 hours a day for 5 days, they wanted me to teach in Beijing for them. At the end I sparred with them, but I used general stand up mma / kickboxing. Whooped em all easily apart from the girl teacher who was hard as nails. After that I couldn't in good conscience continue studying there let alone teach it though I massively enjoyed my time there and they were a great bunch of guys. That being said, it is a martial ART and something you can practice well into your old age with minimal risk of injury.
I acknowledge and respect this Grandmaster based on books he wrote revealing all the fake kung fu 'masters' did in public demonstration. I'm sure GM William Cheung is an excellent martial artist as well but I have a soft spot for GM Leung Ting.
Wong Shun Leung was truly Yip Mans last student. Leung Ting has made an enterprise, changed a lot, changed the name, but definitely not his true pupil and last student.
@@josephperkins4080 They seem abducted by sects of Wing Chun, where their respective Great-Great-Great Masters are the only ones who learned everything and more traditional Wing Chun from Yip Man, who never referred to himself as a grand master. He has spent 30 years studying Wing Chun and its history in the source, China. They lied to you and the worst thing is that they believe it.
Why the hate? Fighting doesn't rely on the martial art it rely on the person that's using that if you watch a beginner that uses MMA vs A master of Wing Chun of course the master will win.
He did train under Ip Man and he does know the whole system. You can tell by the fact he knows the footwork, the circle inside the triangle, which only the four others and him, know. All others use the linear footwork, which is one of the problems with modified wc. That is why they have such a problem with boxers as well.
I love Wing Chun. I practice it for 15 years. Leung Ting might be the last student of Ip Man but he is surely not the best. He is only really good in earning money. If you are interested in Wing Chun search for a good Sifu and try to avoid WT if you don't want to spend a fortune to become a good fighter.
Right. Go for traditional if you can find it, or at least, Wong Shun Leung's system, which is the best modified system and actually works on the streets, unlike Moy Yat and Leung Tings systems, which don't!
I love how certain channels say information funded in part or by Hole by the Chinese government or whatever government they're being funded from kind of weird
"Harmony is precious. To win respect, morality is king rather than being a tyrant with an iron fist." See kids great lesson of life not just in win chung.
WHEN U LEARN TO ( HIT A WOODEN DUMMY ) , WITH OUT GETTING HURT .? . U MABE READY , TO FIGHT .!!!!!!!! . TRAINING IS THE KEY 🔑 .!!!!!!!!!! ....TO STOP YOUR OPPONENT .!!!!!!! . 😎📚📚👍🙏🏾.....
Leung Ting hat WT nie richtig verstanden. Für mich war er immer ein Schauspieler. Sein größtes Glück war es, das Kernspecht ihn als Vorzeige-Chinesen brauchte und ihn dazu in Europa etabliert hat. Ich bin all denen dankbar, die sich von Leung Tings Stil entfernt haben und eigene Systeme aufgemacht haben. DAS ist letztendlich das Glück des WT / VC / VT / etc. Denn nur dadurch konnte sich WT weiterentwickeln. Leung Ting und Kerni haben das immer zu verhindern versucht. #LiebeAnAlle
Wing Money ! no money no Honey . Of course he is good at Wing Chun but i also think he very Materialistic and i have seen his Dojo in Hong Kong it is near Tsim Tas Shui street - Subway station , everything in Hong Kong is so small , i mean the apartment spaces and there are so many Indians , Pakistanis and Africans in Hong Kong trying to do business , i prefer SHAOLIN TEMPLE for Kung Fu training ,Shaolin is a complete system with so many different styles Shaolin is not for LAZY people , but again the Shaolin CEO !! is into making money from teaching Kung Fu .... everything has become a business in this world unfortunately , even Bruce Lee was after Fame and Money ....
Yes, it is a great system, but ask yourself one question. Are you willing to put in AT LEAST 10 to 20 years of hard training to be proficient in this system?? Not too many people are willing to sacrifice that much time and effort and stick with it long enough for it to work for them.
So what does that have to do with him teaching the COMPLETE version of wing chun?? NOTHING!! Shaolin temple is great, but do you want to wait at LEAST ten or more years to be able to use it in a fight?? At least in wing chun, you can use it within five years, if you have the right teacher, meaning, NOT Leung Ting or Moy Yat! Of course it is. How else are you going to pay the bills? You think shit is free??? Another fucking imbecile speaks!
Now I wouldn't go say that. Shaolin is a great martial art, but it takes WAY too long to learn to be proficient in the streets. Wing chun has parts of Shaolin in it, along with White eyebrow, white crane, choy li fut and hung gar as well. So it is the best of these five systems that make it a great system.
My group may be publishing some books that disclose the scientific errors of the mainstream Wing Chun. The books may be released internationally between Oct to Dec. Our books will contain information about these: 1) Why do Wing Chun practitioners have difficulties using their techniques on non-Wing Chun guys. 2) Why do Wing Chun practitioners have so many different interpretations of techniques. 3) Why did Bruce Lee have those insights about Wing Chun. If anyone is interested in covering the story/interview or run seminars, you may contact us in Google Plus.
You guys again, why wont you be even tired of your anti-wingchun attitude? At first people may notice you guys, now you guys are like jokes which are told again and again, and become less and less amusing.
@@ameslee2153 He has been doing it for decades now. You're talking about Grandmaster Ip Ching. There is also another son, Ip Chung, who also teaches wing chun, but doesn't have as much experience as Grandmaster Ip Ching.
It is soooo funny to see people comparing martial arts.. It is about the practitioner, not the art. Get it right ffs.. Any art is good, if you just use it right. Well unless you choose to learn Capoeira...
No, there a techniques that are objectively better than others. All the useful aspects of different martial arts are taken a combined into what we know as mma
jul1010 let me rephrase. All the effective aspects. MMA is made of the most effective techniques. It what actually works in combat scenarios that have been refined through actually fighting.
The only REAL practicitioner Wing Chun ever produced was Jerry Awalia( Indian Canadian) from Oakiville Canada. I have never seen him lose a fight and frankly his understanding of authentic wing Chun is unmatched. Love to see somebody from the Wing Chun community challange him , those who have, they all failed. He claims to have studied the authentic system under an original diciple of Ip mann named Ku Sang (not sure of the spelling ). If someone has challenged him in the past , I 'd love to hear about your mind blowing experience in losing to him. He is something right out of the movies.
He would fall to Grandmaster William Cheung, who has been doing traditional wing chun for over 60 years. Besides, Jerry only knows the modified version, not the traditional.
He is the biggest FRAUD and SHYSTER of all times, yes! But the greatest teacher? NO WAY!! He only knows about 1/2 of the actual system and was NEVER taught by Ip Man! He is a liar as well. He learned modified wing chun in the middle 1960's, making him FOURTH generation. He learned from a student of a student. By that time, Ip Man was SO sick, he retired from training anyone, and was also addicted to opium for the pain from his cancer.
Ip man’s son is way better at wing chun than this guy. It’s almost disrespectful to call this guy the “wing tsun king”, it’s almost a McDojo he’s running.
+Daniel Donny Teoh Every practitioner of every art in the world is unfinished learning. You never stop learning unless you stop training. No such thing as a master of any subject that you can name that cannot learn more or refine things.
I hope that the Chinese government understands that good western people have great respect for all Chinese. That we hold you in great respect. Bruce Lee was absolutely Chinese, but very much American.
@@Ratatosk99 Yes, and so can crappy MMA, boxing, muay thai, karate, tkd and the crappiest of them all, JIU JITSU against RANK BEGINNERS and that is ALL they work against!
mightymeatmonsta compared to WC practitioners boxers, mma fighters, jiu jitsu, wrestler, Muay Thai, judo, etc. that actually SPAR against a force that’s resistance against them will be more prepared to fight IRL than WC since they for the most part mainly train through choreographed fighting allowing them self to get hit like a dummy.
THE PROBLEM : Even if Leung Ting, William Cheung, etc did not study directly with Ip Man much or if they had not learned all the Wing Chun system when Ip Man passed = they are NEVER EVER going to admit that for obvious reasons.
LMAO!!! Leung Ting is the MOST HATED Wing Chun master in the world and a known liar. He never studied under Ip Man.... Everyone just look up Leung Ting on online and you'll see what I mean..... (During Ip-man's funeral students all wear armbands showing what rank and generation they belong to within the Wing Chun community and Leung Tings armband shows he was a "Junior student not a direct Ip-man disciple)
Mr. Nobody but if there is the FUCKING PHOTOS of leung ting and yip man? you fucking blind eyes. because a normal people like you know the life of LT better than him, right? go fuck you haters. LT/Kernspecht system.is the only who really works on street.
Absolutely right. Leung Ting was never a direct student. I've seen the photo. More importantly, I happen to know descendants of legitimate WC masters and they say what you have. Its my understanding that Leung Ting does not even know the full curriculum. Very few did as most people in Hong Kong were poor and could not afford to pay. So Ip Man taught the forms(eg siu nim tao), chi sao exercises and tactics that overly rely on chain punching to those students who could not afford to pay the full price of complete training. There are masters who come from Ip Man who know the full curriculum and more importantly were taught the THE PROPER APPLICATIONS. Leung Ting is not one of them. He learned from students of students of Ip Man.
If you want to fight in the streets go train boxing or muay thai. 1 year of boxing >= 5 years von WT and the WT guy will still get the crap beaten out of him.
In a true fight you will have a couple of broken limbs nearly instantly. These martial arts are mainly for show in the modern world due to the lack of need for lethal martial arts. Boxing and MMA are sports, not ment to seriously cripple your opponent. Same with competitive Muay Thai, now actual muay thai is a different story as its one of the most lethal martial arts around, but it was also entirely designed around killing your opponent.
No, you are wrong, like the rest of them. Wing chun is a street defense system and boxing and mma are just sports and are incomplete for the streets.Muay thai is a joke too, and is also a sport. It is also incomplete. Traditional wing chun is complete and has all the aspects needed for the streets, unlike the rest of them, which don't.
mightymeatmonsta @ you say "Muay thai is a joke too, and is also a sport" ?? but you know thoes kung fu fighter from 1973 say difference from you, he say "I’ve had enough. Never again. Muay Thai is too dangerous to be a sport." practicalhungkyun.com/2016/09/kungfu-men-face-defeat/
I am Ip man, and I do not know Leung Ting... only kidding, I am not IP man, forget me now, and go about your business, but first, take off your glasses LOL.
I'm sorry, in 0:56 written 'Ip Man was the founder of Wing Tsun? No, he just great at using it. The founder is Ng Mui.
Sorry for my bad English.
Actually the founder of Wingchun was 5 Masters at the Shaolin Temple of time, one of which was Ng Mui, they were creating a new style that would be more effective and learned quicker to combat the fighters the government was hiring st the time. One of the Masters Bak Mei (White eyebrows) aka Pai Mei tipped off the government and thus the Shaolin temple was burned down. The Masters escaped including Ng Mui and in her travels she met the girl Wingchun and passed the teachings onto her.
Later,wing chun was modernized by their practisioners. Ip man changed a lot in wing chun for practical use.
@@TheStellarmanCo. Thanks for the correction
Richard Mercado You are Very knowledgeable.👍
"Wing Tsun" is the romanization trademarked by Leung Ting for his wingchun school branch.
And psst.. Ng Mui didn't really exist.
All I can say is this, first generations students of Yip Man were fighters, second generation of students were tacticians, and third generation student live of the fame of the first and second generation students.
Chinese Kung Fu are basis for
weaponry, which is deadly
Thats true, underrated comment. The successor of ip man was none other than wong shun leung not leung ting.
Actually it Lueng Shen
I know I spelt his name wrong
@@reginaldbowers3398 .. leung sheung ... king of bil gee, most adv form , USA / kenneth chung , ben dir , chue vang, kk , ....
"To have respect,morality is king, rather than you have iron fist.."
Agree on this quote!
disagree! said xi jinping
@hairbandfan1967 RIGHT! You liberals are passive and will wind up getting yourselves killed one day in the streets because you LOOK LIKE VICTIMS!
No, you need BOTH! You need to have an iron fist so you know that people know you aren't a pushover. And you need respect and morality to guide that in the right direction.
Yes, and that is one thing Boztepe did not have, respect for someone superior to him in wing chun!
Ip Man taught Everything he knew to only 5 Disciples.
The only one alive is Duncan Lueng.
Richard Mercado What about his sons Ip Chun and Ip Ching?
Richarda Mercadoallhindifulmuvi
No, Duncan Leung is not one of them. He was taught the modified system. There are about 2 or 3 left, one being Grandmaster William Cheung who knows the whole system, including proper footwork, and proper way to close the distance as well. There are a couple left in Thailand as well.
From what I was taught, Grandmaster Yip Man had many students who learned various amounts from him. He only had 6 private Bai Si (formally sworn in) disciples. Sifu Duncan Leung was in fact one of them. Sifu Allan Che Kong Lee, the 6th and last disciple of Yip Man, was another. He was also teaching until he passed away in 2016.
Yes, but he only learned the MODIFIED system. Only five actually learned the TRADITIONAL system. Grandmaster William Cheung was one of them.
I’ve been watching Kung fu and karate since I was 12 years old,, I have nothing but honor and respect 👏🏼🥋🙏🤛🏼🤲🏻👐🏼👍✌️❤️
I had to repeat the quote starting at 6:24 until the end several times. That's gold right there!
this video make me remember my master....im miss him now, thanks
I am reading the comments for a half an hour now... And i cant take it anymore.
I am a certified Wing Chun instructor (WWCA, Sifu William Cheung's origin). I was lucky enough to personally met and train under the Grandmaster and Ip Man's nephew Lo Man Kam. I am practiceing martial arts, since i am old enough to travel on the bus alone. I did learn 16 different approch of martial arts, including the hardest ones, like Muay Thai and even real soft ones like Thai Chi. I was competing in full contact heavy weight championships for six years, and i was able to win and defend champion titles. I am teaching WC, JKD, and Escrima for 13 years now, i even have students of my own with country and continental champion titles. I only say all these so if somebody reads this, the you will know where i am coming from.
About Mr. Leung Ting... He is not a grandmaster of anything. Never reached high enough rank in any style to even be considered to be an istructor. I heard all kind of stories (from Lo Man Kam, who is actually the part of Ip Man,s family) about him, but i am not bothering even spreading them. He is a business man nothing more. Common sense: just take a look at his students in the video. Is the first thing what is coming to your mind is an athlete? Somebody who trains regulary? Are the movements feel well practiced? You can answer these questions without any martial arts experience... Wing Chun is supposed to be a so called "inner-style" martial arts, so nobody going to be looking like a wrestler, but that is not mean you not supposed to train your body.
About Sifu Cheung Cheuk Hing (William Cheung). As far as i know he is still holding a few world records, including the fastest fully extended punch and the most fully extended punch under 1 minute. He personally helped developened a trainig system for american special forces deep scouting units (and those guys are not fucking around). I was lucky enough to be his "dummy" for a demonstration and he actually give me premission to attack him. (dont forget we talking about a thin, short, chinese guy with a wierd smile on his face and even his back was bended by old age, i think he was around 62 years old back then). I was alredy competing in full contact heavy weight kick-boxing and even MMA for 3 years. I was not even able to estabilish contact with him. We not talking about strikes, or blocks or grabs... I could not touch his jacket. And trust me i was not holding back out of respect or something... So yeah... dont talk shit about a martial grand master unit you actually met one.
About this whole MMA vs Martial arts madness...
This is a completly usless debate. MMA is more like a chess game. Everyone knows the moves, everyone knows the rules, everyone preparing for the same thing. If you are prepared better, you probably going to win. End of story. Martial Arts is NOT a sport. There are no rules, and there are no preparation, and trust me you will not know all the moves. I always loved when a MMA fighter came to my class asking me to prove "my worth" so he can deside is it usfull for him or not. Most of the time i just send these pricks away, but sometimes i used them for a little demonstration in the class. For you sport-fighters out there: Imagine the next: You start a fight. You slowly stealing the distance so you can try someyhing. You maybe trow a few "checking-jabs", just to see what will happen. And as you extend your arm the very first time you got elbow locked, or elbow broken and you did not even see how. I know it is worth shit in writing, hard to imagine. Here is a more easier example: Soon as you look at me the way i know it is going to be a fight, i spit you in the eyes, kick you in the balls and hook-lock your knees in the same time. Block that MMA genius. Sorry, but i felt i need to make my point "ego-proof". Do you getting the picture now?
About the worth of Wing Chun...
I tried a lot of different styles. I was even really good in a few of them. But none of them tought me to be as efficient as WC. The main principles and the theories are opened a whole new world for me. If you never practiced WC under a good teacher (and here is the real problem... Good WC teachers are very, VERY rare) you will never understand this statement. Once you know a little something about WC's "6 gate principle" or the estabishing center line, and re-estabilishing center line idea you will never going to have problems with blocking agian. I always loved the face expression on students when they first have they fight blind-folded. That is the moment when you never fear a fight again. Do i fight like a tipical WC fighter if somebody jumps on me on the street? NO. Wing Chun is the perfect guidence. It is like learn reading before buying a book. If you wanna be a fighter you will have to branch out eventually. But the traditional principles (what i was only able to get from WC) are shortening 10 years of practice into a great summer. You dont know proper blocking untill you learned a bit of WC, and you never have so good reflexes wich cant made better with Wing Chun. Do you know the ending in the Matrix movie? When Neo finally gets it? And he is blocking everything with one hand, and Mr Smith getting fucked in the ass? In the real life it is called "Falling Tree Leaf". And it is works on MMA dudes. Trust me, i know.
BrittleSteel bullshit
"Yeah ! Bullshit, because I said so ! Don't try to come back on me or this sentence shithead. We will call you a kid and start insulting you ! MMA is better because we say so. MMA is no good in the street, but we still say so."
BrittleSteel hu u by d way?
Hahaha .. Loved it man. "Falling Tree Leaf" ? Thank you very much forthe story and your clarifications. Yes, I felt just from the way this guy was talking he is not real. And I could understood WC from the very first time I had tried it as young boy but never could continue to really train. I wished I would have been able now but my body is broken a bit and I cant help my self. Hence I am a spirit dancer an when in trance you can see the Bushido in its perfection. But as told I never learned technics and fighting, unfortunate, because I got hurt lot since I cant stand injustice and had to stand up always against. Thank you again for your great story I really enjoyed it! There are lot of lunatics and ignorants out there, who easily can denythat is infront of their very eyes. For example Bruce Lees demonstrations of explosive energy with his high skilled martial art. Chuck Norris and him like individuals ar a shame for the truthfull ones. Therefore it is good tobe traiend do one can stand for Truth, protect one self an the beloveds from culprits. Thank you =
Where do u teach sir
Oh I have seen 4 part of Ip Man they are very interesting, great movie ever
Thank you for sharing. It is always a great pleasure to review the old masters 🙏
I had once the honor of taking part in one of his seminars. He immediately enchanted us with his easy going informal style. A student asked him about Kiai and Chi Quong deadly techniques and he like a puppet master started controlling the body of a student and throwing invisible punches from afar and the "victim" was knocked to the floor...It took a minute for us to realise that the joke was on us, and he had a bit of fun on our expanse. :) He of course told us that those "deadly" techniques are just cons for money.
of course , he wont teach you deadly techniques openly, these are taught only to proven good natured students
Martial arts doesn’t matter on age or gender it matters on how you use it,practice nothing will come fast. So it’s annoying how some people call some martial arts useless or make fun of it. But it’s not the fighting style it’s the person
1:50 damn, a lady fainted
😂😂😂
Stunned!
LMAO!
Leung Ting's that good dude. :P
No actually she was starved
I remember meeting him once. Thanks for the lesson in HK 2018. At the cemetery.
I'm in tears! to be a part of that family!!!
These videos have enriched my life, and have increased me further in the fundamental knowledge by which I do my best to live. Thank you.
@stanly stud If you knew me I would see the logic behind your suggestion. But you're assuming things, and based on those assumptions you speak. But sometimes the ones who give the advice are the very ones who need it the most.
My Sifu (instructor/master) has been taught by IP Ching who is the son of IP man, and now I'm being taught by IP Ching's student for almost 5 years now
Martial arts for my self, is very powerful. There is no better than the other .It is a language spoken through tradition and all forms and must be respected that way. In the world, we feel one language is better than another,and we want to learn all languages so we may speak. But when we speak it is all mumbled.Because,we speak without understanding the meaning of the words,yet it is the same language. All must learn to speak,and understand.But language is recognised through expression of its intended emotion.
For myself,realizing this brings forth great humility for my brothers in arms,and humility to the true masters of all forms for whom I bow down respectfully for keeping the integrity of your language ,for i can learn many ,but only understand a few.
According to wang kiu, yip man taught leung ting over a feud yip man had with leung sheung. I don't know the exact details of the feud but
The idea was leung ting would be able to show leung sheung things he had never seen.
Although i am not a fan of leung ting it is a fact that he was taught by yip man in the final months of his life thus receiving yip mans final thesis on the art.
Wonderfull technic.Your ancestors would be proud for development you made
Actually, he is NOT the last student of Yip Man to say the truth he never was a student of Yip Man!
There was a press conference after Yip Man's death by a couple of real Yip Man students such as Wong Shun Leung Lok Yiu etc.
And there was this book he gave to my Sifu which he signed with Thank you something and then Si Sok Wang Kiu. Mind you here there is not written Si Hing but Si Sok which means younger Kung Fu uncle because Wang Kiu was the Si Dai of Leung Ting's sifu Lun Shun who was also an original student of Yip Man. Now, I am not saying he can't do any Wing Chun I leave that up to others just he is not and never has been a student of Yip Man. Does it matter that totally depends on what way you look at it. Personally, I think somebody who is using his/her own name to be set out there and succeeds is better than the one using somebody else's name but that is just me.
The story of Ng Mui was written in the 1950s as a promotional story by a student of Yip Man who worked at a newspaper it is a promotional story, not a real story. The truth the matter is Yim Wing Chun if there ever was a girl named like that she surely did not do any Wing Chun lol.
You can trace that back all the way into China's Wing Chun lineages who should all have the same founder, right?
If you look at Ng Mui her Kung Fu does it strike any similarity with Wing Chun? No, it doesn't is that not really odd then?
Wing Chun comes from the "Wing Chun Hall" in Shaolin where people refined there kung fu and took out all the unnecessary things to make something more practical. The Nun who was teaching in there did make tofu though but she was not Ng Miu.
So yes there are some truths in the Ng Mui - Yim Wing Chun stories like the tofu thing and the fact it was probably founded by a nun or taught by the nun from the Wing Chun Hall in Shaolin. The tofu is also important in our system it got to do without punches but that is a whole different story.
Now always remember even if a somebody is a good fighter he might not be able to do some good teaching as well.
Right. He NEVER trained with Ip Man because he started in the middle 1960's and by that time Ip Man was too sick to teach from cancer and he was addicted to opium for the pain. He (Leung Ting) was taught by a student of a student and only learned about half the system. Right again. Ng Mui NEVER existed and neither did Wing Chun. It was actually a rouse to keep the Manchurian government off the backs of the monks in the temple while they trained to overthrow the government and develop wing chun, which was developed by the five elders and includes white eyebrow, white crane, choy li fut, hung gar and shaolin.
Its true there are many good ones who cannot teach
@@richardallan455 And THAT, Richard, is a travesty of justice! How can you teach a system you, yourself, do not know fully? People like Leung Ting learned about half the system so his system is loaded with wholes, flaws and stiffness. You MUST have a deep understanding of the system to teach it in a way a rank beginner can understand.
Right. Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun never existed! There are records that date back that far, and their names aren't on them. It was just a rouse to pull the Manchurian government off the trail of the Shaolin temple, while, as you so aptly said, they trained and developed the new system, wing chun. Wing chun was developed by the five elders of the Shaolin Temple. There were five systems that were used to develop wing chun. They are white eyebrow, white crane (hence the story of the crane and snake), hung gar, Choy li fut (it wasn't called that at the time, but was a variation of it), and Shaolin.Tofu????? No, there is no tofu in our system. Maybe toe jam when you stub your toe! Wrong! A good fighter and teacher SHOULD know the complete system, and inner workings, and have a deep understanding, being able to explain it in a way even a rank beginner can understand. That is the ONLY way to pass on the entire system! This has been a problem over the centuries. Some of the more important aspects of wing chun were lost along the way when modified was developed by Leung Bik Chan Wah-Shun was being taught by Leung Bik. Since he was NOT a family member, he was not privy to the entire system. He would spy on Leung Bik, trying to learn the entire system, which included the PROPER footwork (circle inside the triangle). Leung Bik knew of this and changed certain aspects of the system. He changed the stance from 50/50 to the crappy 70/30 (which pushes your energy backward, not forward, as it should!), changed the footwork to LINEAR instead angled (said circle in the triangle), and entry techniques as well as leaving out certain other important aspects of the traditional system. This is where the whole trouble started. You see, Chan Wah-Shun was taller and heavier than most Chinese, so he was able to use the modified system successfully, which means he taught others this system, without all the components, making it less effective against boxers and grapplers (due to the crappy stance and linear movement, which keeps them directly in front of the opponent, which is very dangerous!). This is why learning the WHOLE system in traditional wing chun is best. It works much better against ALL systems, and not just some.
@@mightymeatmonsta thank you for the information. Awesome explanation btw
No matter how many times you practice hand movements. You can't reach your full potential until you are formless. Like water
be water my friend
He's speaking in a mix of Mandarin and Cantonese
yea i speak canto and i was so confused
@@TheMinecraftDJStudio me too
Yeah. The guy is from Hong Kong, and his main school was on Nathan Rd. in Kowloon, but he speaks English and Mandarin as well as Cantonese, and often teaches classes with a mix of people from different places, so he switches back and forth a lot.
@@VTSifuSteve Another fucking clown teaching an incomplete wing chun and ripping people off! What happens if they die in the streets because of your lack of proper teaching? Is that going to affect you at all that you helped KILL this person???
@@mightymeatmonsta stop hating and fight me instead. i trained wing chun for 28 years im 32 now and i defeated alot of people and this is facts its not useless .u keep hating but still watchingg.u a silly man or woman.so fight me and when i beat ur ass up y will see it is effective.U NUCKLEHEAD.PEACE.✌
Fantastic video .. maybe mention master Leung Ting in the description please
0:56 The creator of Win Chun is not Ip Man
Bit he is the best grand master of all time
@@tuhinyadav7141 But*
I trained under Grandmaster Leung Ting 1980 we established the first Wing Tsun school in Texas the HQ was Austin Texas. And in 1988 I introduced it to Mexico. I now teach in Austin Texas.
@@mightymeatmonsta did you train with him. And if you did when and for how long? It’s worked for me. Had no problems with it, by the way I started my martial arts training in February 1966. Old school Blood n guts Karate. SORYU. I come from a fighting system. I am still around. Age 72. Almost 73. I have been to Kaoshiung Taiwan where I trained in Wing chun. And in the phillipines where I was fortunate enough to learn Kali. Arnis Eskrima. I was the pioneer of wing Tsun in Texas and Mexico.
2:41 he's going to have a tough job teaching this guy...
RIP Bruce lee , RIP IP Man May my best wishes go to them
THANK U !
I'm happy to learn the philosophy of Wing Tsun is ethical. The seeming lack of ethics has turned me off from most martial arts. But I was drawn to the philosophies of Tai Chi and Aikido due to the concern for others instead of desiring to destroy others out of anger and lack of concern. I wish I could learn Wing Tsun someday. I'm 44 and maybe can't learn something so physically challenging.
It still amazes me to this day that there are people that buy into the "Yim Wing Chun" myth and that there is "traditional vs modified" Wing Chun.
Yes, it was proven it was a myth and she and Ng Mui never existed. There is a BIG difference between traditional, which works, and modified, which does not. This is because modified is missing key elements found only in traditional like proper footwork, proper way to close the distance and the ten concepts, which make traditional work properly and completely. It also has grappling and other elements like pressure point training as well.
@mightymeatmonsta try your Dim Mak on my "modified" Wing Chun, my dude. I have yet to meet a "Traditional Wing Chun™" guy who can best me, despite what they spout about "Traditional" and "modified".
William Cheung made all that stuff up.
(plenty of "modified" Wing Chun folks have shown me up, though. Hmm. Wonder why that is. Maybe someone training in real Wing Chun for ages can beat someone training in real Wing Chun (what you call "modified") for less time.)
A lady created that style to defend herself from men...each disciple just added to it as time passed by like bruce did to ip man style took it another notch...
I'm getting very emotional listening to him talking about his relationship with Ip Man .. i don't know why .. What a legend both of them are..
You are so right ipman was such a humble man especially what he did for china when the japan army attacked
I'm getting emotional thinking about what a fraud Leung Ting is.
@@melisamelisa2124 Are you 10 years old or what? That's just a movie LOL. Yip Man never had any fights with Japanese soldiers.
@@jamest4198 Yep, but regardless he is still a legend.
@@marctang3802 Um no, Leung Ting used to hit his wife (hardly a legend). A legend is Wong Shun Leung or Bruce Lee, and also Yip Man. These three are true legends!
As long as you are a student of ip man no matter how bad you are,everyone who wishes to learn wing chun will think you are a great Master
once a liar always a liar
Leung Ting is the swindler of Wing Chun! Lol!
There will never be another legend. RIP Master lee
He was NOT a master. Stop saying that! He was a sifu at best! He only knew 2/3rds of the modified system! He would have lost to then-Master William Cheung or Master Wong Shun Leung, who would have destroyed him because they both know the whole systems.
The best style is ultimately no style at all. Once you have mastered your body, you just use your instinct to fight. Thinking or limiting yourself to principles and rules is what makes you weak
No, because no system is kaos. Traditional wing chun IS the best system because it is complete and made for the streets, unlike most of the others, which aren't.
Come on mates..
@wanye clark why even master your body if no style is the best style isnt not master the best master so if no training is the best training then why even train ?
So the question here is how do you become the ultimate one without a style ?
@@mightymeatmonsta if it is make for the street does it mean it is not make for other place ? So the question here is then where is it make for and why was it even make in the first place ?
@@ChannelLogic No. Sports application martial arts are much different. They are missing key elements that make them work in the street and are incomplete. For example, boxing does not have kicks, grappling, or train weapons or multiple opponents. Sports application martial arts were designed for the ring and limited applications. The real applications and scenarios have been taken out. Real street martial arts were made to be used in a deadlier street, and have no boundaries on their use, so they are made to end a fight quickly and deal with real scenarios.
Best wishes to all and remember, true martial artists do not look down upon others but only inspire others to improve themselves.
3:08 looked like donnie yen to me
back when he was only like 30, that dude really doesnt age
@@rro-n9h wdym? He really is donnie yen?
@@JoshuaT-pl5id nah it was a joke about how donnie yen doesnt age.
I trained in a Wing Chun gym in Hong Kong, solo with 4 instructors 8 hours a day for 5 days, they wanted me to teach in Beijing for them. At the end I sparred with them, but I used general stand up mma / kickboxing. Whooped em all easily apart from the girl teacher who was hard as nails. After that I couldn't in good conscience continue studying there let alone teach it though I massively enjoyed my time there and they were a great bunch of guys.
That being said, it is a martial ART and something you can practice well into your old age with minimal risk of injury.
Another troll here
I see nice keyboard fighting in the comment section instead of real fight
Im surprised that this doesnt have more dislikes
5:20 here your grasses back !
I acknowledge and respect this Grandmaster based on books he wrote revealing all the fake kung fu 'masters' did in public demonstration. I'm sure GM William Cheung is an excellent martial artist as well but I have a soft spot for GM Leung Ting.
Clown prince of Wing Chun.
A nice little film
1:50 so nobody is gonna mention the guy that ran into a glass window😂
No, he
just hung the sign and see if it hangs correctly.
Wong Shun Leung was truly Yip Mans last student. Leung Ting has made an enterprise, changed a lot, changed the name, but definitely not his true pupil and last student.
Ty Long I
No, he learned the crappy modified wing chin! William Cheung, Cho Shu Tin, and three others learned the REAL , complete system!!
@@mightymeatmonsta stop promoting the William Cheung lies.You are the Charlie Zelenoff of Wing Chun
@@josephperkins4080 They seem abducted by sects of Wing Chun, where their respective Great-Great-Great Masters are the only ones who learned everything and more traditional Wing Chun from Yip Man, who never referred to himself as a grand master. He has spent 30 years studying Wing Chun and its history in the source, China. They lied to you and the worst thing is that they believe it.
Why the hate?
Fighting doesn't rely on the martial art it rely on the person that's using that if you watch a beginner that uses MMA vs A master of Wing Chun of course the master will win.
He did train under Ip Man and he does know the whole system. You can tell by the fact he knows the footwork, the circle inside the triangle, which only the four others and him, know. All others use the linear footwork, which is one of the problems with modified wc. That is why they have such a problem with boxers as well.
Oh, shut up with that tired bullshit. Styles matter.
But the question here is what if a master vs a master mma master vs a wing chun master then who will win ? That is the question here ?
Grande Sifu...Deus o conserve.
But if he taught you how to be a good man, why did you set Emin Boztepe onto William Cheung ? that was'nt a very nice thing to do was it.
I love Wing Chun. I practice it for 15 years. Leung Ting might be the last student of Ip Man but he is surely not the best. He is only really good in earning money. If you are interested in Wing Chun search for a good Sifu and try to avoid WT if you don't want to spend a fortune to become a good fighter.
Right. Go for traditional if you can find it, or at least, Wong Shun Leung's system, which is the best modified system and actually works on the streets, unlike Moy Yat and Leung Tings systems, which don't!
Lueng Ting NEVER studied with Ip Man! He was way too sick with cancer to teach anyone at the time Ting was learning wc.
@@mightymeatmonsta and yet you have praised leung ting's system
"If you have made wing chun popular, then you have disobeyed me." - Wing Chun.
I can agree with that statement.
Where is his dojo at?
I love how certain channels say information funded in part or by Hole by the Chinese government or whatever government they're being funded from kind of weird
What do you guys think of the Leung Sheung lineage?
I'm in that lineage and I support the branch under Ng Wah Sum via Chung Kwok Chow.
"Harmony is precious. To win respect, morality is king rather than being a tyrant with an iron fist."
See kids great lesson of life not just in win chung.
If morality is the king why not be the tyrant king using morality wont i be the king of the king
So the question here is who is the king ?
WHEN U LEARN TO ( HIT A WOODEN DUMMY ) , WITH OUT GETTING HURT .? . U MABE READY , TO FIGHT .!!!!!!!! . TRAINING IS THE KEY 🔑 .!!!!!!!!!! ....TO STOP YOUR OPPONENT .!!!!!!! . 😎📚📚👍🙏🏾.....
呢條梁挺，咸濕叻過玩詠春拳！仲係度中傷李小龍，唔尊師重道，這挺係功夫界嘅衰神。
I appreciate it. It's a great form in the art of self defense and service
Leung Ting: Teaches a female origin martial art only to use it to beat up woman.
Oh the irony
I wont get myself hit by this guy. His hands thick n solid
梁廷根本不是葉問門下，連徒孫也不是，此人只是 欺世盜名
這就厲害了....
sammy wong
Leung Ting learn Wing Chung from his uncle 郑北, who is a student of Leung Sheung.
“不要免費教”
梁廷2008年被判敗訴兼付訟費。梁挺至今仍未支付訟費連利息約10萬元，被判破產。
梁廷於2008年3月在油麻地寓所以扯髮、膝頂、撼額、掩嘴、揑喉、拖行、踢肚、坐腹及摑耳等九招打傷女友，被判囚2個月！
身為全球詠春拳這麼一個大型拳術協會的負責人，好應該立身做人，給弟子一個好榜樣。他父親是反黑大班，應該會很清楚這些法律程序！打人已經不對，何況是個女人！
如是事实，叶问有知相信也没脸认这徒弟
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Leung Ting hat WT nie richtig verstanden. Für mich war er immer ein Schauspieler. Sein größtes Glück war es, das Kernspecht ihn als Vorzeige-Chinesen brauchte und ihn dazu in Europa etabliert hat. Ich bin all denen dankbar, die sich von Leung Tings Stil entfernt haben und eigene Systeme aufgemacht haben. DAS ist letztendlich das Glück des WT / VC / VT / etc. Denn nur dadurch konnte sich WT weiterentwickeln. Leung Ting und Kerni haben das immer zu verhindern versucht. #LiebeAnAlle
Wing Money ! no money no Honey . Of course he is good at Wing Chun
but i also think he very Materialistic and i have seen his Dojo in Hong Kong
it is near Tsim Tas Shui street - Subway station , everything in Hong Kong is
so small , i mean the apartment spaces and there are so many Indians , Pakistanis
and Africans in Hong Kong trying to do business , i prefer SHAOLIN TEMPLE
for Kung Fu training ,Shaolin is a complete system with so many different styles Shaolin is
not for LAZY people , but again the Shaolin CEO !! is into making money from teaching Kung Fu ....
everything has become a business in this world unfortunately , even Bruce Lee was after
Fame and Money ....
Yes, it is a great system, but ask yourself one question. Are you willing to put in AT LEAST 10 to 20 years of hard training to be proficient in this system?? Not too many people are willing to sacrifice that much time and effort and stick with it long enough for it to work for them.
So what does that have to do with him teaching the COMPLETE version of wing chun?? NOTHING!! Shaolin temple is great, but do you want to wait at LEAST ten or more years to be able to use it in a fight?? At least in wing chun, you can use it within five years, if you have the right teacher, meaning, NOT Leung Ting or Moy Yat! Of course it is. How else are you going to pay the bills? You think shit is free??? Another fucking imbecile speaks!
Fame and money went after Bruce Lee
Agree with you 100% good instructors deserve to be paid. Piano and Yoga teachers gets paid a lot, why not Martial Arts Sifu? right?
Now I wouldn't go say that. Shaolin is a great martial art, but it takes WAY too long to learn to be proficient in the streets. Wing chun has parts of Shaolin in it, along with White eyebrow, white crane, choy li fut and hung gar as well. So it is the best of these five systems that make it a great system.
His book help me a lot when I learn and practice Wing Chun. But maybe he and Ip Chun- Ip Man sun have a feud.
#Respect
Just Brilliant!
My group may be publishing some books that disclose the scientific errors of the mainstream Wing Chun. The books may be released internationally between Oct to Dec. Our books will contain information about these: 1) Why do Wing Chun practitioners have difficulties using their techniques on non-Wing Chun guys. 2) Why do Wing Chun practitioners have so many different interpretations of techniques. 3) Why did Bruce Lee have those insights about Wing Chun. If anyone is interested in covering the story/interview or run seminars, you may contact us in Google Plus.
You guys again, why wont you be even tired of your anti-wingchun attitude? At first people may notice you guys, now you guys are like jokes which are told again and again, and become less and less amusing.
We may really release the book(s) soon. It should be ready by Oct. And it should be a shocking disclosure.
Articient Research-Based Wing Chun morning? I am interested in your book, can you notify me when it read to be purchased?
Same !
I think that should be interested and fun to read !
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Ip man wasn’t the founder of wing chun but he is the best at it.
My Sigung, Dr. Leung Ting.
Aloha from Texas,
Dr. Liam Stone, D.D., Ph.D., N.D.
Hello, I’m interested to learn Wing Chun, would you kindly advise me as to when and where to visit for the practice.
Thank you
David Yon
Find yourself a TRADITIONAL SYSTEM, NOT MODIFIED!
David Yon I heard ipman’s real son is giving out like classes for wing chun in Hong Kong
@@ameslee2153 He has been doing it for decades now. You're talking about Grandmaster Ip Ching. There is also another son, Ip Chung, who also teaches wing chun, but doesn't have as much experience as Grandmaster Ip Ching.
Wing Chun Association, Prince Edward, Hong Kong
@@mightymeatmonsta 😆 William Chun coined that term to make his Chicken wing seem diffrent
the mythologizing is cringey
Mastery is seeing, no art intended.
It is soooo funny to see people comparing martial arts..
It is about the practitioner, not the art.
Get it right ffs..
Any art is good, if you just use it right.
Well unless you choose to learn Capoeira...
Everything you do is art.
No, there a techniques that are objectively better than others. All the useful aspects of different martial arts are taken a combined into what we know as mma
Can't even be bothered answering that...
Every martial art modernises... No martial art uses useless styles -.-
jul1010 let me rephrase. All the effective aspects. MMA is made of the most effective techniques. It what actually works in combat scenarios that have been refined through actually fighting.
MMA still has one problem... It is made for sport...
The only REAL practicitioner Wing Chun ever produced was Jerry Awalia( Indian Canadian) from Oakiville Canada. I have never seen him lose a fight and frankly his understanding of authentic wing Chun is unmatched. Love to see somebody from the Wing Chun community challange him , those who have, they all failed. He claims to have studied the authentic system under an original diciple of Ip mann named Ku Sang (not sure of the spelling ). If someone has challenged him in the past , I 'd love to hear about your mind blowing experience in losing to him. He is something right out of the movies.
He would fall to Grandmaster William Cheung, who has been doing traditional wing chun for over 60 years. Besides, Jerry only knows the modified version, not the traditional.
@@mightymeatmonsta Willam was a 1 yr student....green sash fail... lee was gold... a starter 6 months....
this is art not MMA. art is like dancing but if you force to fight why not. i used wing chun in boxing very effective. attack and defense.
I am Learning this Art
Thank you so much Master
RIP BRUCE
You are learning from the wrong person then! You should be learning from one of the traditional GMs such as Cheung or Cho Shu Tin!
Grandmaster Leung Ting, the greatest Teacher of all time.
Drak preepers Leung ting is controversial and not even a disciple
Really?
He is the biggest FRAUD and SHYSTER of all times, yes! But the greatest teacher? NO WAY!! He only knows about 1/2 of the actual system and was NEVER taught by Ip Man! He is a liar as well. He learned modified wing chun in the middle 1960's, making him FOURTH generation. He learned from a student of a student. By that time, Ip Man was SO sick, he retired from training anyone, and was also addicted to opium for the pain from his cancer.
And how do you explain the the picture where they are together?
He MET Grandmaster Ip Man, but was never a student. By that time, Ip Man was way too sick to teach anyone.
Ip man’s son is way better at wing chun than this guy. It’s almost disrespectful to call this guy the “wing tsun king”, it’s almost a McDojo he’s running.
Last student. Does that mean unfinished learning?
Daniel Donny Teoh no it means he was his last accepted closed-door disciple.
Daniel Donny Teoh and please don't take my word for it try it out yourself
The last student of Ip man
Learn how to read
+Daniel Donny Teoh
Every practitioner of every art in the world is unfinished learning. You never stop learning unless you stop training.
No such thing as a master of any subject that you can name that cannot learn more or refine things.
I hope that the Chinese government understands that good western people have great respect for all Chinese. That we hold you in great respect. Bruce Lee was absolutely Chinese, but very much American.
Do this in a street fight expect too be WING CHUN SLEEPUN
What do you expect from the clown prince of frauds? Do you expect him to do it right when he doesn't know the system?
mightymeatmonsta against an untrained fighter wing chun can definitely work lol
@@Ratatosk99 Yes, and so can crappy MMA, boxing, muay thai, karate, tkd and the crappiest of them all, JIU JITSU against RANK BEGINNERS and that is ALL they work against!
mightymeatmonsta compared to WC practitioners boxers, mma fighters, jiu jitsu, wrestler, Muay Thai, judo, etc. that actually SPAR against a force that’s resistance against them will be more prepared to fight IRL than WC since they for the most part mainly train through choreographed fighting allowing them self to get hit like a dummy.
What's the difference between Wing Chun and Wing Tsun?
looks like he don't know what is doing... what a shame...
THE PROBLEM : Even if Leung Ting, William Cheung, etc did not study directly with Ip Man much or if they had not learned all the Wing Chun system when Ip Man passed = they are NEVER EVER going to admit that for obvious reasons.
LMAO!!! Leung Ting is the MOST HATED Wing Chun master in the world and a known liar. He never studied under Ip Man....
Everyone just look up Leung Ting on online and you'll see what I mean.....
(During Ip-man's funeral students all wear armbands showing what rank and generation they belong to within the Wing Chun community and Leung Tings armband shows he was a "Junior student not a direct Ip-man disciple)
Mr. Nobody but if there is the FUCKING PHOTOS of leung ting and yip man? you fucking blind eyes. because a normal people like you know the life of LT better than him, right? go fuck you haters. LT/Kernspecht system.is the only who really works on street.
Ichimaru Gin 95 lol dumbass
you are right
Absolutely right.
Leung Ting was never a direct student. I've seen the photo. More importantly, I happen to know descendants of legitimate WC masters and they say what you have.
Its my understanding that Leung Ting does not even know the full curriculum. Very few did as most people in Hong Kong were poor and could not afford to pay.
So Ip Man taught the forms(eg siu nim tao), chi sao exercises and tactics that overly rely on chain punching to those students who could not afford to pay the full price of complete training.
There are masters who come from Ip Man who know the full curriculum and more importantly were taught the THE PROPER APPLICATIONS.
Leung Ting is not one of them. He learned from students of students of Ip Man.
Mr. Nobody Bullshit. You don't know any seniors from Wing Chun. Quit lying to make yourself sound cool. Fucking clown.
I study martial arts I think it's good exercise to get involved with
mmm yeah..the real passion is money it seemsss.....:)
And that’s all it is...a tale!
OMG, he is terrible. such a fraud.
ratchadapalazzo how?
Thanks 🙏👊🏻
If you want to fight in the streets go train boxing or muay thai.
1 year of boxing >= 5 years von WT and the WT guy will still get the crap beaten out of him.
Sad but true
Maybe a modified guy would get beat, but not a traditional one, who knows the footwork and the system.
In a true fight you will have a couple of broken limbs nearly instantly. These martial arts are mainly for show in the modern world due to the lack of need for lethal martial arts. Boxing and MMA are sports, not ment to seriously cripple your opponent. Same with competitive Muay Thai, now actual muay thai is a different story as its one of the most lethal martial arts around, but it was also entirely designed around killing your opponent.
No, you are wrong, like the rest of them. Wing chun is a street defense system and boxing and mma are just sports and are incomplete for the streets.Muay thai is a joke too, and is also a sport. It is also incomplete. Traditional wing chun is complete and has all the aspects needed for the streets, unlike the rest of them, which don't.
mightymeatmonsta @ you say "Muay thai is a joke too, and is also a sport" ?? but you know thoes kung fu fighter from 1973 say difference from you, he say "I’ve had enough. Never again. Muay Thai is too dangerous to be a sport." practicalhungkyun.com/2016/09/kungfu-men-face-defeat/
Wing chun looks awesome.
Rubish....
Only one Ip man! You are you!!!
I am Ip man, and I do not know Leung Ting... only kidding, I am not IP man, forget me now, and go about your business, but first, take off your glasses LOL.
It means you never searched for images where they are together.
It only takes one blow to finish some one if you know how !!!Military karate is also practical !!
Awesome statement ! “ you have to be a good man”
Coming from a known liar! And you believe him? I have some swampland in New Jersey that is for sale! Wanna buy it?
I think Wing Chun is a bit too popular right now.