Nc3 was really nice! I appreciate that you tell us how the different engines do against each other from different positions, it really makes the video more enjoyable!
Ah thanks! Yes I can't imagine analysing in any other way now tbh! Really gives you so much insight to see actual games taking place rather than just a number on a screen!
This video is in the Great Engine Games series! Another lovely game from Leela in which a single dominant theme - the domination of Black's passive dark-squared bishop by Leela's knight - is pursued from beginning to end. A classic demonstration of the technique of exchanging the right pieces to leave the opponent with only passive ones! The game is viewable here: tcec-chess.com/#div=sw&game=352&season=27
I find it quite striking how tight leela's play was, the entire game for white relies on creating threats one after another, such that black had no time to activate the bishop, almost like leela saw the endgame from the start.
Lovely. Reminds me of some of Magnus’s games, where after exchanges he is left with the better minor piece. It looks like simple chess, but is anything but.
Yes it's quite amazing judgement. Struggling a bit to work out how you could make that sort of judgement in your own games... I know I'd just be spending all my time during the game kicking myself for not taking a free pawn 😊 And yet that feeling of having cashed in too early by grabbing material is very familiar too!
12:16 : Not that many years ago, the engines were blamed to be overly materialistic and hoomans were needed to evaluate the long-term compensation. Now, though… 🤔🤭
Yes it's all changed so much! This is a really lovely example: would be so hard to explain to a student why you don't take this completely free pawn, and why the course Leela takes is better!
How Leela played with b5 and not capturing the pawn is actually a common theme in the Ruy Lopez. I play the Arkhangelsk with both colors. Out of experience i have learned with black i never bothered about the b5 pawn when it is attacked with Na3, while as white i am most of the time not interested in it either. Often I capture it anyway, because as white you often dont have a better plan either. What I often have trouble with is judging the strength of a knight on d5. In this case it was strong on d5, but I have the feeling Leela had to see 20 moves ahead that it was indeed the case. I remember Carlsen games with black both in the Ruy Lopez and Sicilian where white has a strong knight on d5 and Carlsen completely plays around it as if it doesnt exist.
Yeah the judgement was very fine indeed. That knight really paralysed the black position... I guess the difficult judgement is working out whether you have follow-ups to incerase or transform the advantage this knight gives you. That's what always gave me agonies at the board. Trying to understand whether you have chosen a durable advantage that can be developed further or whether you've gone down a path that just fizzles out!
Hello! I recently found out your channel and it's fantastic! Really congratulation. Actually i have a question: i tried to found the answer by myself watching the Leela opening repertoire but i don't found the answer In a video (Dojo) one of the hosters says that in the caro the favorite Leela line for white is 2.Nf3 d5 3. D3 Which is actually the reason why i got interested in engines opening lines and found your channel But in Leela opening repertoire i don't even found such move being mentioned. Can i know more about it? Also considering that such line does really well looking at master database
Hmmm I don't think it's Leela's favourite line tbh - the Advance Caro-Kann is what engines generally prefer - but I guess this line is not as dead as it looks! The best way to learn about it is to organise some engine games of your own from resulting positions that interest you (as I do on this channel) Really instructive!
@@SiliconRoadChess Thanks a lot for your kind reply! In your videos the Advance was indeed the suggested line: therefore my question. It seemed weird to me also that Leela suggested that line; but at least this mistake led to your channel. Again, congratulation and sorry to bother: I still have to figure out how to run different engines on my PC and whether or not my old laptop can resist to them ahahaha
@@Anish-x3w No problem! In general Stockfish is pretty strong on anything but Leela needs the more expensive hardware (graphics card) to be strong. Leela fans have to sacrifice more for their favourite engine! :)
Hi Mr Salder, I hope you don't mind me asking this but what kind of chess program do you use for analysis with engines? Sorry if it's a silly question, I don't really know that much.
"the overwhelming positional advantage that Leela feels it already has" I don't know much about AI in general or about Leela & Co in particular. But I doubt Leela feels or knows she has a positional advantage. That is human thinking. I suppose Leela calculates an awful lot of lines from here and not taking the pawn gives her better results. Humans think in terms of positional advantage. And sometimes the computer eval shows them, there is none. Because there is always a move the opponent can play to prevent you from materializing any advantage (in many cases a human has very little chance to find all those moves, so for a contest between humans it is an advantage). That's the difference between human thinking and machine "thinking".
Yeah, it's just a choice of words. But it's not all calculation: the quality of the evaluation is what makes this possible. If it was just calculation then pre 2017 engines would have played like this and they certainly didn't!
Nc3 was really nice! I appreciate that you tell us how the different engines do against each other from different positions, it really makes the video more enjoyable!
Ah thanks! Yes I can't imagine analysing in any other way now tbh! Really gives you so much insight to see actual games taking place rather than just a number on a screen!
This video is in the Great Engine Games series! Another lovely game from Leela in which a single dominant theme - the domination of Black's passive dark-squared bishop by Leela's knight - is pursued from beginning to end. A classic demonstration of the technique of exchanging the right pieces to leave the opponent with only passive ones! The game is viewable here: tcec-chess.com/#div=sw&game=352&season=27
Very instructive. I am back to really enjoying your videos after a long inactive period of time with university. Thanks a lot!
Ah lovely to hear! Good to have you back SlowSlav! 😊
Highly instructive and insightful. Top video, thanks.
Thanks! 😊😊😊
Great video, looking forward to the new series 😊
Thanks! Looking forward to it too: some really lovely chess to come! 😊
Love your analysis and excitement :)
Ah thanks! 😂😊
I find it quite striking how tight leela's play was, the entire game for white relies on creating threats one after another, such that black had no time to activate the bishop, almost like leela saw the endgame from the start.
Yes that's really impressive indeed. It does have the feeling of almost having been seen out to the end from the first move!
Lovely. Reminds me of some of Magnus’s games, where after exchanges he is left with the better minor piece. It looks like simple chess, but is anything but.
Yes it's quite amazing judgement. Struggling a bit to work out how you could make that sort of judgement in your own games... I know I'd just be spending all my time during the game kicking myself for not taking a free pawn 😊 And yet that feeling of having cashed in too early by grabbing material is very familiar too!
12:16 : Not that many years ago, the engines were blamed to be overly materialistic and hoomans were needed to evaluate the long-term compensation. Now, though… 🤔🤭
Yes it's all changed so much! This is a really lovely example: would be so hard to explain to a student why you don't take this completely free pawn, and why the course Leela takes is better!
Thank you, great game, great presentation. Looking forward to the next series, although these Leela games are so beautiful.
Yes they are pretty cool! Glad you enjoy them too! 😊
Love these sorts of games with a central strategic theme! Makes it so that even patzers like me can feel like we know what's going on :)
Yeah I love games like this too where one theme is dominant throughout the game... that's how I always wanted to play!
How Leela played with b5 and not capturing the pawn is actually a common theme in the Ruy Lopez. I play the Arkhangelsk with both colors. Out of experience i have learned with black i never bothered about the b5 pawn when it is attacked with Na3, while as white i am most of the time not interested in it either. Often I capture it anyway, because as white you often dont have a better plan either.
What I often have trouble with is judging the strength of a knight on d5. In this case it was strong on d5, but I have the feeling Leela had to see 20 moves ahead that it was indeed the case. I remember Carlsen games with black both in the Ruy Lopez and Sicilian where white has a strong knight on d5 and Carlsen completely plays around it as if it doesnt exist.
Yeah the judgement was very fine indeed. That knight really paralysed the black position... I guess the difficult judgement is working out whether you have follow-ups to incerase or transform the advantage this knight gives you. That's what always gave me agonies at the board. Trying to understand whether you have chosen a durable advantage that can be developed further or whether you've gone down a path that just fizzles out!
Hello! I recently found out your channel and it's fantastic! Really congratulation.
Actually i have a question: i tried to found the answer by myself watching the Leela opening repertoire but i don't found the answer
In a video (Dojo) one of the hosters says that in the caro the favorite Leela line for white is 2.Nf3 d5 3. D3
Which is actually the reason why i got interested in engines opening lines and found your channel
But in Leela opening repertoire i don't even found such move being mentioned.
Can i know more about it? Also considering that such line does really well looking at master database
Hmmm I don't think it's Leela's favourite line tbh - the Advance Caro-Kann is what engines generally prefer - but I guess this line is not as dead as it looks! The best way to learn about it is to organise some engine games of your own from resulting positions that interest you (as I do on this channel) Really instructive!
@@SiliconRoadChess Thanks a lot for your kind reply!
In your videos the Advance was indeed the suggested line: therefore my question.
It seemed weird to me also that Leela suggested that line; but at least this mistake led to your channel.
Again, congratulation and sorry to bother: I still have to figure out how to run different engines on my PC and whether or not my old laptop can resist to them ahahaha
@@Anish-x3w No problem! In general Stockfish is pretty strong on anything but Leela needs the more expensive hardware (graphics card) to be strong. Leela fans have to sacrifice more for their favourite engine! :)
Hello, thank you for the video! I struggle to search the book "How to find the best move in any position". Could you please provide a link to it?
book is called "Best Play" by Alexander Shashin
Available here amoing many other places! www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Play-Method-Discovering-Strongest/dp/1936277468
Hi Mr Salder, I hope you don't mind me asking this but what kind of chess program do you use for analysis with engines? Sorry if it's a silly question, I don't really know that much.
No worries! I tend to use Fritz GUI for my engines. I think there are better choices but this works fine as my needs are basic!
@@SiliconRoadChess thank you!
"the overwhelming positional advantage that Leela feels it already has"
I don't know much about AI in general or about Leela & Co in particular. But I doubt Leela feels or knows she has a positional advantage. That is human thinking. I suppose Leela calculates an awful lot of lines from here and not taking the pawn gives her better results.
Humans think in terms of positional advantage. And sometimes the computer eval shows them, there is none. Because there is always a move the opponent can play to prevent you from materializing any advantage (in many cases a human has very little chance to find all those moves, so for a contest between humans it is an advantage). That's the difference between human thinking and machine "thinking".
Yeah, it's just a choice of words. But it's not all calculation: the quality of the evaluation is what makes this possible. If it was just calculation then pre 2017 engines would have played like this and they certainly didn't!