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pking just isnt as cool as it used to be, age caught up to folk and want to chill or the gap between bowfa/virtus or bots vs regular people. loved when ags was the go to spec weapon for everything, now people think def reductions more important
@@sum-dum_nerd pking is in bad state because the skill level gap between players is not balanced. super bad or super good, there is no middle class really, like in every other old game aswell that has an player versus player option
The short answer: Because Jagex didn't learn nothing from RS3's economics problems. The short explanation: If you print money with new broken bosses and don't establish a way or mechanic to burn that money, you get inflation.
@slayer100141 it is the solution for items becoming devalued. All it would do is make gp move around more. I think we would need the opposite and some way to siphon gp out. Taxes feel bad honestly. Something that sucks out large amounts of gold like construction. Maybe sailing will have this cost built in? Also making pvm not shit out gp would be nice.
As for gp theres been some recent lowkey ones but the gp coming in outweighs it, cuz i mustve spent at least 40-50m in death charges from vardorvis and im sure im not the only one that had troubles lol
It's honestly so refreshing I'm not the only one that noticed. I've quit this game permanently as a result of this dumpster fire economy. Jagex doesn't seem concerned at all about bots I can't support that.
we should still have time for them to figure it out and turn it around for OSRS. in RS3 they've added trillions of gold worth of MTX "rares" and tanked the economy. I think OS devs are smarter, hopefully they'll add some gold sinks to balance things out
Zombie pirates being in the wildy is balanced from a player perspective, but whether it's the player, the bot, or the PKer that walks out with the loot, all of that is still being brought into the economy. They are the exact opposite of a gold sink. Fever spiders seem like someone forgot to add a 0 to the end of each item's drop rate, save for the Kwuarms. A level 42 slayer mob should not be that lucrative. Making everything 10x rarer would not have them be a money task, but rather a low level task where you might leave with a few small upgrades and a bit more money.
@@sum-dum_nerd Abby demons are not profitable unless you receive a whip, which is a 1/512 drop. Fever spiders give consistent Alchs while also having a lower slayer requirement. The comparison just isn’t the same
@@flawless7019 the comparison im making is the way jagex balances stuff. they dont have a superior, so no chance of imbued heart like you have for kurasks which are notorious for being 1m/hr no imbued heart drop. the time investment is laughable, and this is truely just overhyped. cuz youre not getting 2m/hr at its tier, and i know damn well mains will do it got an hour, get bored, and go raid because thats what i did
Remember when they said no more new gargoyles or zulrahs then poceeded to make even more insane drop tables? Now we even have low lvl mobs with crazy gp/hr...
Zombie pirates plus the new fever spiders show how little they care about balancing money making. Revs have been insane forever but at least with revs there’s more risk and you need to have decent stats to make the big money. Zombie pirates shit gp out to level 40s
I googled "why are osrs bonds so expensive now" and ur video was top result. Lots of ppl are sharing your video in osrs groups on fb rn. Great video i learned a lot from it instant like instant sub.
Inflationary content and the max cash stack limit are issues that need to be prioritized by the end of the year or we're going to start running into big economic problems.
I don't know why this is so funny but it is, like this is a major real world problem right now almost everywhere and we are discussing it in an online mmo because it's an actual issue here to, kinda crazy tbh
@@hardup9809economies are the hardest part to get right in mmo's. It's a very finicky thing and if done wrong has disastrous implications. It's hard to design fool proof systens for problems you dont even know you will run into
@@akalaramorgan9242I still don’t think the community has caught on fully. Cause the dragon bane weaps are still relatively close to where they’ve been for a while. Could see them jump into 70-80m range for a little once the update hits
@@gators9570 DHL has already seen a price bump, DHCB has also already gone up but no-where near the DHL, the new Wand is gonna be expensive, so day 1 group boss hunting will be the way to go! This is a FREE CLAN EVENT added by JAGEX!
being in the wilderness doesnt mean its "balanced" if someone dies there the money still comes into the game. The wilderness adds entirely way too much raw GP.
But less ppl are willing to do that activity due to its risk, so there is still some level of balance. If revs weren't in the wildy, everyone would be doing them all the time.
Jagex' approach to Wilderness is IMO very stupid and destructive to game balance. Most players hate PVP, they don't want to come to wilderness. Jagex makes content with extremely overtuned rewards to lure players in as loot pinatas for the PKers to kill. That's how we get mobs with obscene drop tables and other overpowered content like chaos altar. There are some good content like black chins but mostly it's way overtuned IMO Jagex should just stop their attempt to revitalise the Wilderness. Nerf the Wilderness bosses and other content to be in line with other content in the game, then let them be, if people don't want to go to Wildy then they don't go
he died a while back, he's been waiting for sponsors to release videos while he pretends he's using that time to get content for the series. his stats haven't changed in at least 6 weeks
We're almost hitting the point where a Fang is cheaper than a Bond, while Tbow and Shadow are basically impossible to farm for people who don't already own them. This economy is going insane.
Bond prices have went up due to the fact you can convert a bond to a 14 day code and be sold for cash directly. Its why bond prices have increased a lot more than items.
I thought that was a temporary thing they did for fresh start worlds two years ago. Apparently they made it permanent. I can't imagine any legitimate use for that feature now that FSW are over
Steam regional price changes hit Argentina and other regions at the end of november 2023, it goes up a bit prior but Ill be honest that was one of the main reasons. Alternate region pricing for bonds was approx 2$usd per bond in those regions. since the change they now use USD currency and as such are now the same cost. Loads of people connected osrs accounts to alt region steams for cheap membership and cheap bonds
It's not too late. I won't give away the secret exactly, but there are 2 countries you can use on Nord VPN in the $5 range per bond. Ignore Turkey because Lira is hard to get and Brazil because you need a CPF which is also difficult to get
@@ShiaLaBaggins appreciate it, i wont ask for the countries but I have two questions if you're willing to answer. 1. Do you do this through steam or just their browser bond purchases 2. What are the "easy" ways to get foreign currency? That seemed to be the problem I had, I could get the browser to think I'm in a foreign country but I only know how to pay with USD which would get the browser to switch to US prices once I filled in my payment info. even if you only give me a topic to research myself it'd help
The main problem is jagex, creating more areas accessible to bots instead of removing the areas where there are more bots (lava dragons, revenants) or simply banning them and implementing better anti-cheating, bots screw up the economy a lot
Yeah, you’d have to come up with a solution and propose that to Jagex. The thing is, once Jagex implements a fix, the bots will make a workaround. So, it’s always a back and forth battle.
@@ragingmcqueen you cannot win, but you can improve. If a content would require more hours to play before to access, then, bots would need to bot way more to get profit, and maybe getting banned before profit
From a realistic perspective, bots do get banned and do get a lot of the gp that they earn removed from the economy when it ends up being sold in bulk to people. The real issue is how fast you can make gp which is why everything's going up faster than we can get rid of it.
the OSRS 3a items skyrocketing above max cash suspiciously coincides with RS3's max cash changes which prevented people manipulating the market on mega rares like party hats
That actually is a really really good point I didn’t even think about, they can do it on osrs now because not too long ago you couldn’t swap any rs3 to osrs for a few months for a decent price because there was too much that had been swapped
I know this is kinda random but I used to do alot of zulra back in the day before some of the nerfs to drop table. So I had bought like 1500 zulandra teleports for around 150-200 each (cuz they were that cheap back then) and once my membership ran out I just stoped playing RS for couple years. Imagine how happy I was once I logged back in into my account after those years and went to kill zulra, only to notice that my teleports who were worth 150-200 gp back then are now worth 20k each.
@@matthewperkins1334 Because traker only goes back to 2017. In 2015 pre nerf zulrah would drop 50 teleports per drop, no one would even pick it up to save inv space. After 1st nerf still in 2015, they droped 20 at the time. They had some value after that but still, traded at 150-200 gp ea. Only after 2nd nerf where they reduced drop rate from 20 to 1 did they sky rocket. Only in 2017 when they buffed rate from 1 to 4 did theyr drop to 6k. If they cost 6k ea with 4 per drop, imagine how much they cost with 20 or 50 per drop.
The Aztec Serpent boss is going to be considered a dragon. I was watching the Jmods on stream and someone asked if dragonbane weapons worked against it and they looked at each other like it never crossed their minds. After they said “it will now”.
The OSRS economy really needs some way to get gold out of the economy better, if there isn't something put into place the game's economy is going to fall apart.
Brokers fees to list a transaction on the GE. Regardless of whether it sells. That’s a major money sink in EVE Online, Guild Wars 2, and I think even WoW.
There is simply just very little that can be done about it other than adding a skill that sucks out 200m gold per 99. But even that is just a bandaid. I mean how much gold is injected every single day just from high alching?
@mmmhowbowfoqyew Jagex could change how loot in Wilderness works. Make it so if you die to another player, half of the loot is deleted (and the other player gets the rest. That way there is still an incentive to go to wildy because the potential loot is better than elsewhere, but all of it doesn't enter the economy if you die
the bonds in osrs are tied to rs3 bonds as well, rs3 bonds hit 135m recently. the max cash stack was already changed in rs3 to cmb items over max cash as well we got the ge tax in rs3 too.
The May 23rd update changed the Fever Spider drops from Rune Helm/Battleaxe to Adamant Helm/Battleaxe. Water Battlestaffs have also been changed to limpwurts roots. Checked the OSRS Fever Spider wiki as I was watching.
@@InTernal_Fox I haven't played Runescape in more than a decades and was just recommended this video so I have no clue about what is actually happening in the game, but isn't the tax on the gold ? Wouldn't it be deflationary by taking gold out of the game which would decrease prices?
@@ponytoast1231 the G.E. tax is 1% of the total buyers gold spent and the sellers gold received. Jagex themselves have openly stated that it’s used to remove high-end items from the game to artificially increase the value.
@@InTernal_Fox I still fail to see how that remove the item, it remove the gold. I also googled it and Jagex said it was meant to remove gold from the game because there is too much of it as I thought. It should help decrease the price but not the items. Unless people are refusing to sell for lower prices because of price anchoring with them waiting for prices to pick back up but with a new gold sink the price can't pick back up.
I started playing osrs earlier last year, and I got my first bond for 6.5m and it wasn't very hard for me, took a break for a couple months because I was a little burned out and they haven't dropped below 10m since. Unless I can learn an actually decent money maker I might not be able to keep doing my bondscape grind sadly. I really wanted to keep this account f2p since osrs is such a beautiful f2p model compared to all the other garbage these days
same i dont feel like grinding that much and having to make at least 1m a day just to break even as a mobile noob who cant do any good bosses so havent played in awhile lol
coming from someone whos played since like...07. On and off. Dont play to grind for money to buy a bond. Its so un fun and all your money just goes back into a bond instead of your gear and fun stuff. Just buy it irl. Literally mow 1 lawn if you cant afford it or do some chores or idk go beg on the street.
@@jeffyboi6969 No I know it's better to just pay for it, I mean better for you and for Jag, but I was just sayin as almost like a challenge run I wanted to try and keep it bond only from what I earned, and it wasn't bad back when bonds were like 6-7m. Now though it's actually pretty tough to keep the bond money up while still having gold to spend. Also I got to like 1500 total level for my first ever time really playing OSRS so not like I was in the big boy leagues yet where I needed 100+m for gear and stuff
Since toa and dt2 many of us have made billions upon billions The game is absolutely overloaded with gold and it keeps increasing The mad thing is bond prices go up while gold gets dirt cheap The systems gonna sort itself out at this rate because gold just won't be worth selling Even if people buy billions the influx of sellers because of these money makers and such ( many leviathan bots 10k kc ) each of them has printed 2-4billion alone
I called it back in January: bonds will be 15m by June And the reason for my hypothesis: rev bots Yes yes yes, zombie pirates, people being scared to rwt gp, raids shitting out alchs.. but no, single handedly, rev bots literally injecting trillions of raw GP into the game is the #1 reason for this.
This whole video is misinformed and incorrect. It may even have the opposite intended effect since homie doesn't do his research, and apparently lies for money
I’m just really tired of Jadex doing this, they will throw a bag of sledgehammers at a problem when it comes to buffing the pve drops. But then they take their time removing one grain of sand at a time when it comes to the tidal wave of gold in the game. It was nice that 07scape didn’t have this problem when it launched, but now where back where we stared. I do t expect them to do much, just try and remove the problem one grain of sand at a time.
So, OSRS is written in Java, and the value for max cash is the maximum value allowed for the int primitive. Jagex needs to rewrite the coin class so it is a long primitive. This shouldn't cause the need to rewrite a lot of the codebase since Java automatically widens values from int to long. Anyhoo, good video. Thanks
Someone clue me in - are they not burning the gp taken from GE fees? If they are, they need to bump the fees because it clearly isn't enough. If not, then that's at least a start.
I'm sure the OSRS team could fix/raise the max cash issue, which they'll probably need to at some point. They already did this on RS3 with an invisible workaround so it's definitely possible. RS3 max cash now is 2,147,483,649,147,483,647 or 2.147 quintillion
The main people buying bonds are bot farms, it’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Jagex needs bot farms for their profits and frankly it seems we do too for some things. Everyone complained when the price of Prayer pots and Sharks went up because no one wants to do that many farm runs and 76 fishing is a very high bar for an item you need a dozen of before you do any combat task.
It's almost to the point i don't even want to grind for them anymore, I like just casually skilling and don't play all that often but still find myself having to grind something more than I'd like to a few days before the bond is up to keep it...
Theirs a very big difference between wealth injection and gold injections. For example runes and bones and herbs can become gold for the player that obtained them, but their worth gold they don’t directly become gold. On the other hand, dragon hide armors, addy gear, these don’t really do anything but become gold adding to the economy. Jadex really really needs to not just add some real gold sinks, but need to really lay off those alckables and find some way to get player to transfer items for wealth not for direct gold.
because bonds and rs gp are trading into real world currency, they are representing what is happeing with IRL money inflation. RSgp should be on forex imo
At this rate, by the end of the year, membership will be unsustainable without nolifing raids. Like, literaly. like 4 years ago I bought a year's worth of membership for two of my accounts for like 150mil total. 2 months ago I've spent 200m+ on a single account. It's literally insane.
I seriously don't get why people buy bonds... I have to work like 2 hours in my job for my yearly subscription, why waste digital money I have to grind 10x more for on that?
@@Latinblood59 There are many factors. The job argument makes no sense. I play runescape for fun in my free time, why would I pay for it with money I >actually< worked for? For now it's still easy to sustain bond, but with the rising prices I don't know... Plus not everybody lives in the US, in Europe it's 11€ which is 1 to 2 hours of actual work
I've found the profit from dailies like farm runs, bird runs, etc have also gone up so maintaining a bond isn't quite that different than when it was 6m Easily 20m bonds end of the year imo
I believe the biggest source of gold in the game is High alch. It produces so much gold to the game and is a training method that everyone uses. If Jagex wants to fix this I would change it to produce gold bars instead of gold coins. High alch an item to an item instead of pure gold.
It's sad really, I was going to try and get into runescape due to watching a lot of Settled, and play f2p to grind for a bond, but after seeing how expensive the bonds are, I was kind of put-off, I don't want to spend real money on a bond if I'm not going to enjoy the game.
They got mad about good pvmers were able to basically play free. They want more of your money. Also alot of power creep updates. They want more of your money.
Bond will likely reach it's crest this summer, the bubble also burst so hard no one bought a bond during a six hour period before it crashed under 11m before swinging back up to 12-13 now
the amount of gold coming into the game is insane right now. Every dragon item is valued on the G E for under it's alch price. So if a player is smart they are alching every drop they get up to every dragon item they get. The game has never been like that they cant sink that kind of cash.
BlackMarket Price RS3 $0.01 per mill and OSRS $0.17 per mill. 8$ per bond at 15m would make that $0.50 per mill exchange rate from jagex. This means bonds can double to around 40m. I don't see them going much higher then 50-60m in future.
The Voidwaker not recovering is almost certainly due to there being no item sink for VW or it's pieces unlike virtually all other rares. Other rares are botted as well, bots are not the explanation.
@@hardup9809 Bonds are only sold on the ge by players, a bond must be purchased, there is a finite amount of bonds. Honestly what is happening is low supply of bonds and the demand is the same or has gone up since I bet more players are active recently due to big game updates.
@xConstipatedPandax why support a company when they are ruining the game, or at least allowing their game to be ruined. I see the same bots for weeks at a time. Jamflex doesn't give af, they just want your money
@@The_Real_Uncle_Ruckus You realize by people paying a company, they then have the liquid to fix issues within it, right? And OSRS being "ruined" is entirely subjective, that sucks you think the game is ruined, but 95% of the active player base would say the game has gone in nothing but a positive direction.
@biggiesmalls7939 lol. You actually think they'll fix the bot problem if they have money for it? How come they've always been a MASSIVE issue then?🤔 Also, where are you getting this "95%" from? From my experience, I'd bet half the player base is bots. Drink more of the kool-aid and give them more of your money and see if that fixes it. 👏🏻👍🏻🐑
why do people refuse to pay for this game with this insane amount of content? why do people feel forced to spend countless of hours to grind for a bond just to then play? Working for one hour in a actual job will give you more than enough to play the game for 1+ months. (way more than 1 month with premier pass)
nah, because then gold seller prices would still be constant, but the gold seller prices go down as bond prices go up. so essentially both are just a symptom of gp inflation
The last idk 10 updates have introduced almost purely alch value based drop tables, like wildy agility, skely pirates, fever spiders and even the colloseum can drop millions in alchs per run, basically everything has been easy to bot and considering ban rates are down it’s hard to say this isn’t all just to increase the price of bonds, though if you look at the real estate market bonds have been keeping up with that level of inflation pretty close lmao
Also, if their rationale is making stuff for Ironman they are doing the opposite of what that player group really wants, people will stop playing if you continue to devalue Ironmans grinds, honestly the problem is probably everyone on the team who loves the game is gone
Take a look at Dragon Bolts and the unfeathered version. Likely nex bots bringing them in given Torva at a low now too. Fletching is a good skill to train if you want to bank on bolts recovering!
last bond i bought was about 5m and i thought that was alot at the time now theyre 14m lol rip to f2p trying to bond with gp. I didnt use it at the time and am about to just sell it cuz trying to keep up with mems as a gp bonder only is kind of a pain when you are a mobile noob who cant boss or anything like that. I do have about 70m but i dont want to end up going broke as id have to make at least 1mil a day just to break even so i havent played in awhile cuz i havent felt like grinding that much lol sht sux they need to go back down asap. I could probably manage it but id have to play at least a couple hours every day unless i got a good drop or something
not sure about other items but i thought of the bond value increasing as an indicator of demand. the game keeps breaking player count records (from a combination of real players and bots). maybe it's a mix of increase in demand + gold rapidly entering the game? i guess only jagex would know for certain.
iTs BaLANcEd bY bEInG iN tHE WilDy Not it fucking isnt the zombie pirates make literally no fucking sense where they are. They belong near the pirates hideout in 50+ then maybe it would be balanced
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Just need GE to accept platinum tokens and expand beyond max cash limit that way, keep the gp limit as a fun old thing
The same thing happened to the price of bonds in rs3. I think it is the shortage of players buying bonds with real world money. Supply shortages.
Also rs3 has no reachable gp limit now. It is like quintillion.
Clearly it's bidenomics
did u forgot plat tokens exist? u complain bout max cash being 2.147b.
but completely forget plat tokens exist for this exact purpose.
IRL currencies are just being devalued. Recommend ppl move their money into OSRS gold as a hedge!
Unironically people were doing this during crashes in the early days of crypto.
@@charlesbrown4483people still do it, including myself
Venezuelans taking notes 😂😅
Usd is like fallout bottlecaps. Worthless but the trust and agreement says its value. They killed JFK for wanting to bring back Gold standard
Hedge with risk of account and gp banning isn’t really that good of a hedge.
It hurts my soul the Armadyl Godsword is equivalent to a Bond in price right now
The godsword prices are so weird now😐
I remember when ags was 120m back around 2008. Also most sot after godsword for a long ass time.
last time I played I sold my zgs for 4.5m now that i'm back playing osrs it's 28m damn
pking just isnt as cool as it used to be, age caught up to folk and want to chill or the gap between bowfa/virtus or bots vs regular people. loved when ags was the go to spec weapon for everything, now people think def reductions more important
@@sum-dum_nerd pking is in bad state because the skill level gap between players is not balanced. super bad or super good, there is no middle class really, like in every other old game aswell that has an player versus player option
The short answer:
Because Jagex didn't learn nothing from RS3's economics problems.
The short explanation:
If you print money with new broken bosses and don't establish a way or mechanic to burn that money, you get inflation.
@slayer100141 it is the solution for items becoming devalued. All it would do is make gp move around more. I think we would need the opposite and some way to siphon gp out. Taxes feel bad honestly. Something that sucks out large amounts of gold like construction. Maybe sailing will have this cost built in?
Also making pvm not shit out gp would be nice.
@@Phnxkon it could be like new minigames that make you pay a fee to play for a non tradeable reward, or some mechanic like that to delete cash.
As for gp theres been some recent lowkey ones but the gp coming in outweighs it, cuz i mustve spent at least 40-50m in death charges from vardorvis and im sure im not the only one that had troubles lol
It's honestly so refreshing I'm not the only one that noticed. I've quit this game permanently as a result of this dumpster fire economy. Jagex doesn't seem concerned at all about bots I can't support that.
we should still have time for them to figure it out and turn it around for OSRS. in RS3 they've added trillions of gold worth of MTX "rares" and tanked the economy. I think OS devs are smarter, hopefully they'll add some gold sinks to balance things out
Zombie pirates being in the wildy is balanced from a player perspective, but whether it's the player, the bot, or the PKer that walks out with the loot, all of that is still being brought into the economy. They are the exact opposite of a gold sink.
Fever spiders seem like someone forgot to add a 0 to the end of each item's drop rate, save for the Kwuarms. A level 42 slayer mob should not be that lucrative. Making everything 10x rarer would not have them be a money task, but rather a low level task where you might leave with a few small upgrades and a bit more money.
people worried about fever spiders when you can get 6 whips in a task at abyssal demons.. nerf abby demons!!
@@sum-dum_nerdthat’s not even remotely close to being an argument.
@@flawless7019 whos arguing? god forbid theres easy reliable gp makers right?
@@sum-dum_nerd Abby demons are not profitable unless you receive a whip, which is a 1/512 drop. Fever spiders give consistent Alchs while also having a lower slayer requirement.
The comparison just isn’t the same
@@flawless7019 the comparison im making is the way jagex balances stuff. they dont have a superior, so no chance of imbued heart like you have for kurasks which are notorious for being 1m/hr no imbued heart drop. the time investment is laughable, and this is truely just overhyped. cuz youre not getting 2m/hr at its tier, and i know damn well mains will do it got an hour, get bored, and go raid because thats what i did
Remember when they said no more new gargoyles or zulrahs then poceeded to make even more insane drop tables? Now we even have low lvl mobs with crazy gp/hr...
zulrah is a joke now lol. if u do 40 kills/h its like 3m/h (incl ur shadow costs).
We need gold sinks in the game, clearly the new mods are selling gold and wanted more of it
definitely based around selling more gold via bonds
Zombie pirates plus the new fever spiders show how little they care about balancing money making. Revs have been insane forever but at least with revs there’s more risk and you need to have decent stats to make the big money. Zombie pirates shit gp out to level 40s
@@gators9570 yeah fever spiders are really bizzare, like it was an oversight or something
I googled "why are osrs bonds so expensive now" and ur video was top result. Lots of ppl are sharing your video in osrs groups on fb rn. Great video i learned a lot from it instant like instant sub.
Osrs economy getting the IRL economy treatment.
To give an idea of how expensive these are, the rs3 bonds were ~15m in sep 2017.
Bought 10 bonds for $55 in mexico. So 130m for $55. Jagex is gunning for gold farmers livelyhood
How
Gold fluctuates between $0.15 - 0.20 per mil on the black market so your 130m would only cost $20-25 on the black matket
@@gameandhike5844 but that good deal comes with a risk of being banned
@@gameandhike5844Yeah with high risk of ban.
How do you buy them in Mexico? I believe your card information has to match the country vpn so using USA card with vpn in Mexico don’t work right
Inflationary content and the max cash stack limit are issues that need to be prioritized by the end of the year or we're going to start running into big economic problems.
I don't know why this is so funny but it is, like this is a major real world problem right now almost everywhere and we are discussing it in an online mmo because it's an actual issue here to, kinda crazy tbh
@@hardup9809lmao capitalism baby wooh!
@@hardup9809economies are the hardest part to get right in mmo's. It's a very finicky thing and if done wrong has disastrous implications. It's hard to design fool proof systens for problems you dont even know you will run into
I believe the new group boss was confirmed in the dev stream to be draconic and dragonbane works on it
Same and didn’t they say it’ll bring the first draconic weapon
@@Kurbbyy first draconic mage* weapon yeah
i believe the exact words used was, Interviewer - "Will it be a dragon?". Dev "It will be now!"
@@akalaramorgan9242I still don’t think the community has caught on fully. Cause the dragon bane weaps are still relatively close to where they’ve been for a while. Could see them jump into 70-80m range for a little once the update hits
@@gators9570 DHL has already seen a price bump, DHCB has also already gone up but no-where near the DHL, the new Wand is gonna be expensive, so day 1 group boss hunting will be the way to go! This is a FREE CLAN EVENT added by JAGEX!
being in the wilderness doesnt mean its "balanced" if someone dies there the money still comes into the game. The wilderness adds entirely way too much raw GP.
But less ppl are willing to do that activity due to its risk, so there is still some level of balance. If revs weren't in the wildy, everyone would be doing them all the time.
@@FailBucketFilms point is people are still doing it and no matter who walks out with it the money is still being added to tha game
Jagex' approach to Wilderness is IMO very stupid and destructive to game balance. Most players hate PVP, they don't want to come to wilderness. Jagex makes content with extremely overtuned rewards to lure players in as loot pinatas for the PKers to kill. That's how we get mobs with obscene drop tables and other overpowered content like chaos altar. There are some good content like black chins but mostly it's way overtuned
IMO Jagex should just stop their attempt to revitalise the Wilderness. Nerf the Wilderness bosses and other content to be in line with other content in the game, then let them be, if people don't want to go to Wildy then they don't go
@@FailBucketFilms less people... most of the accs are bots bruh cope harder
@@FailBucketFilms That doesn't matter to a bot
Lowlife 1 through 108, I'd imagine that had some effect.
LOL true that
😂
Assuming 1 bond per lowlife due to how quickly they died, 108 bonds isn't that much considering how many bonds are sold per day
@@Mjupi
Still thought, it was all at once and likely had copycats.
he died a while back, he's been waiting for sponsors to release videos while he pretends he's using that time to get content for the series. his stats haven't changed in at least 6 weeks
We're almost hitting the point where a Fang is cheaper than a Bond, while Tbow and Shadow are basically impossible to farm for people who don't already own them. This economy is going insane.
I'm still baffled by how much the Fang dropped in price. I bought mine when it was still around 24-26 mil.
pre eoc buddy welcome to pre eoc, go take a look at rs3 if you think this is inane........
@@ALostCAWs its a great weapon too at a lot of bosses. I think they should buff the fang
@@ALostCAWsabouch which fang are we talking? Im a bit nooby but I dont wanna miss out to buy it haha
@@Gills420pre eoc? What u mean.
Bond prices have went up due to the fact you can convert a bond to a 14 day code and be sold for cash directly. Its why bond prices have increased a lot more than items.
Legalizing rwt? That seems odd
@@donsolos you can try it right now, you can buy a bond and convert it to a 14 day code. Doesn't even cost like making them tradable either
I thought that was a temporary thing they did for fresh start worlds two years ago. Apparently they made it permanent. I can't imagine any legitimate use for that feature now that FSW are over
Steam regional price changes hit Argentina and other regions at the end of november 2023, it goes up a bit prior but Ill be honest that was one of the main reasons. Alternate region pricing for bonds was approx 2$usd per bond in those regions. since the change they now use USD currency and as such are now the same cost. Loads of people connected osrs accounts to alt region steams for cheap membership and cheap bonds
damn i was trying to figure out how people were buying bonds for foreign prices but now its too late :(
It's not too late. I won't give away the secret exactly, but there are 2 countries you can use on Nord VPN in the $5 range per bond. Ignore Turkey because Lira is hard to get and Brazil because you need a CPF which is also difficult to get
@@ShiaLaBaggins $5 per bond? Assuming you actually mean bond (2 week membership) that's not far off from normal pricing
@@ShiaLaBaggins appreciate it, i wont ask for the countries but I have two questions if you're willing to answer. 1. Do you do this through steam or just their browser bond purchases 2. What are the "easy" ways to get foreign currency? That seemed to be the problem I had, I could get the browser to think I'm in a foreign country but I only know how to pay with USD which would get the browser to switch to US prices once I filled in my payment info. even if you only give me a topic to research myself it'd help
The main problem is jagex, creating more areas accessible to bots instead of removing the areas where there are more bots (lava dragons, revenants) or simply banning them and implementing better anti-cheating, bots screw up the economy a lot
Then go figure out a better anti cheat. Cheating is a problem in every single game these days. It's not a battle you can win.
Yeah, you’d have to come up with a solution and propose that to Jagex. The thing is, once Jagex implements a fix, the bots will make a workaround. So, it’s always a back and forth battle.
@@ragingmcqueen you cannot win, but you can improve.
If a content would require more hours to play before to access, then, bots would need to bot way more to get profit, and maybe getting banned before profit
They can get rid of bots if they really wanted too. Issue is… simple… how much $$ (stock holders $$) what percentage.. is from Bot’s?
From a realistic perspective, bots do get banned and do get a lot of the gp that they earn removed from the economy when it ends up being sold in bulk to people. The real issue is how fast you can make gp which is why everything's going up faster than we can get rid of it.
Inflation is truly everywhere. Can't even avoid it in my games
the OSRS 3a items skyrocketing above max cash suspiciously coincides with RS3's max cash changes which prevented people manipulating the market on mega rares like party hats
That actually is a really really good point I didn’t even think about, they can do it on osrs now because not too long ago you couldn’t swap any rs3 to osrs for a few months for a decent price because there was too much that had been swapped
I know this is kinda random but I used to do alot of zulra back in the day before some of the nerfs to drop table. So I had bought like 1500 zulandra teleports for around 150-200 each (cuz they were that cheap back then) and once my membership ran out I just stoped playing RS for couple years. Imagine how happy I was once I logged back in into my account after those years and went to kill zulra, only to notice that my teleports who were worth 150-200 gp back then are now worth 20k each.
the cheapest theyve ever been were 6k ea according to the tracker?
@@matthewperkins1334 Because traker only goes back to 2017. In 2015 pre nerf zulrah would drop 50 teleports per drop, no one would even pick it up to save inv space. After 1st nerf still in 2015, they droped 20 at the time. They had some value after that but still, traded at 150-200 gp ea. Only after 2nd nerf where they reduced drop rate from 20 to 1 did they sky rocket. Only in 2017 when they buffed rate from 1 to 4 did theyr drop to 6k. If they cost 6k ea with 4 per drop, imagine how much they cost with 20 or 50 per drop.
I would love to see a weekly market analysis, this is so helpful with the changes and seeing the price impacts due to those changes!
He used to do that. Probably stopped because it wasn't worth the time and it was usually only one or two items that fluctuated.
The Aztec Serpent boss is going to be considered a dragon. I was watching the Jmods on stream and someone asked if dragonbane weapons worked against it and they looked at each other like it never crossed their minds. After they said “it will now”.
Also where I live in Australia, the cost of living is so high atm that people will be buying bonds over affording membership
I feel ya on that one.
over the past 3 years inflation has gone up lik 40% in Brisbane.
wages haven't....
The OSRS economy really needs some way to get gold out of the economy better, if there isn't something put into place the game's economy is going to fall apart.
Brokers fees to list a transaction on the GE. Regardless of whether it sells. That’s a major money sink in EVE Online, Guild Wars 2, and I think even WoW.
There is simply just very little that can be done about it other than adding a skill that sucks out 200m gold per 99. But even that is just a bandaid. I mean how much gold is injected every single day just from high alching?
Go pking and trash the loot key. Joker style lighting the cash on fire.
@mmmhowbowfoqyew Jagex could change how loot in Wilderness works. Make it so if you die to another player, half of the loot is deleted (and the other player gets the rest. That way there is still an incentive to go to wildy because the potential loot is better than elsewhere, but all of it doesn't enter the economy if you die
the bonds in osrs are tied to rs3 bonds as well, rs3 bonds hit 135m recently.
the max cash stack was already changed in rs3 to cmb items over max cash as well we got the ge tax in rs3 too.
135m!!! is that a typo!?
@@kingfallen nope
@@kingfallenosrs gold is about 10x times more valuable than rs3 gold so it makes sense
@@Didodido66 "valuable"
@@Didodido66 lol. Right on. That's wild to me.
The May 23rd update changed the Fever Spider drops from Rune Helm/Battleaxe to Adamant Helm/Battleaxe. Water Battlestaffs have also been changed to limpwurts roots. Checked the OSRS Fever Spider wiki as I was watching.
Here I am just now thinking about diving back into OSRS a bit... Saw the bond price - yeah, i'm not currently interested in paying for sub...
Or Jagex could stop artificially inflating prices on end game gear? Just a thought.
How are they artificially inflating them?
@@ponytoast1231 the G.E. tax is used to buy items off the G.E. and delete them from the game entirely, artificially keeping the prices up.
@@InTernal_Fox I haven't played Runescape in more than a decades and was just recommended this video so I have no clue about what is actually happening in the game, but isn't the tax on the gold ? Wouldn't it be deflationary by taking gold out of the game which would decrease prices?
@@ponytoast1231 the G.E. tax is 1% of the total buyers gold spent and the sellers gold received. Jagex themselves have openly stated that it’s used to remove high-end items from the game to artificially increase the value.
@@InTernal_Fox I still fail to see how that remove the item, it remove the gold. I also googled it and Jagex said it was meant to remove gold from the game because there is too much of it as I thought. It should help decrease the price but not the items. Unless people are refusing to sell for lower prices because of price anchoring with them waiting for prices to pick back up but with a new gold sink the price can't pick back up.
And now bonds are 11 mil
12.1m
@@The_Real_Uncle_Ruckus13.7 mill
I started playing osrs earlier last year, and I got my first bond for 6.5m and it wasn't very hard for me, took a break for a couple months because I was a little burned out and they haven't dropped below 10m since. Unless I can learn an actually decent money maker I might not be able to keep doing my bondscape grind sadly. I really wanted to keep this account f2p since osrs is such a beautiful f2p model compared to all the other garbage these days
same i dont feel like grinding that much and having to make at least 1m a day just to break even as a mobile noob who cant do any good bosses so havent played in awhile lol
The f2p model is great
@@apsintrapsin3073you play mobile also!?!?
coming from someone whos played since like...07. On and off. Dont play to grind for money to buy a bond. Its so un fun and all your money just goes back into a bond instead of your gear and fun stuff. Just buy it irl. Literally mow 1 lawn if you cant afford it or do some chores or idk go beg on the street.
@@jeffyboi6969 No I know it's better to just pay for it, I mean better for you and for Jag, but I was just sayin as almost like a challenge run I wanted to try and keep it bond only from what I earned, and it wasn't bad back when bonds were like 6-7m. Now though it's actually pretty tough to keep the bond money up while still having gold to spend. Also I got to like 1500 total level for my first ever time really playing OSRS so not like I was in the big boy leagues yet where I needed 100+m for gear and stuff
Since toa and dt2 many of us have made billions upon billions
The game is absolutely overloaded with gold and it keeps increasing
The mad thing is bond prices go up while gold gets dirt cheap
The systems gonna sort itself out at this rate because gold just won't be worth selling
Even if people buy billions the influx of sellers because of these money makers and such
( many leviathan bots 10k kc ) each of them has printed 2-4billion alone
man cant math
Low level seeds also did some odd stuff. Onion and Cactus went up 5-10x for some reason
Still like that?
I called it back in January: bonds will be 15m by June
And the reason for my hypothesis: rev bots
Yes yes yes, zombie pirates, people being scared to rwt gp, raids shitting out alchs.. but no, single handedly, rev bots literally injecting trillions of raw GP into the game is the #1 reason for this.
As someone who is keeping membership by buying bonds so I don’t have to spend real money it hurts, and it’s making me think about just not playing.
Noob here.
I've been doing my part to feed the hungry market
Bank rolling my adventures through RuneScape.
Plex, err Bonds are very useful.
oh god we're back in the hello fresh era it seems
In the ad, you said "while your subscription is active" under your breath.
Don't do that, home boy. You're better than that
UA-cam has just become television again with the censorship and complete lack of morals with advertising:(
This whole video is misinformed and incorrect. It may even have the opposite intended effect since homie doesn't do his research, and apparently lies for money
It was at the same volume as everything else homie you tripping
I’m just really tired of Jadex doing this, they will throw a bag of sledgehammers at a problem when it comes to buffing the pve drops. But then they take their time removing one grain of sand at a time when it comes to the tidal wave of gold in the game. It was nice that 07scape didn’t have this problem when it launched, but now where back where we stared. I do t expect them to do much, just try and remove the problem one grain of sand at a time.
Why not just allow using plat tokens on the GE?
Plat tokens at the LVL 90 sailing pirate GE? 💡👀
This needs to happen tbh
Came back after a long break to try and get one, was expecting a 6-7m price tag but this surprised me 😅
So, OSRS is written in Java, and the value for max cash is the maximum value allowed for the int primitive. Jagex needs to rewrite the coin class so it is a long primitive. This shouldn't cause the need to rewrite a lot of the codebase since Java automatically widens values from int to long. Anyhoo, good video. Thanks
When I left they were 6-7 they are now 13m😮
I wouldn't be surprised if soon enough, they end up being a hundred million, like RS3 is.
Didnt notice how much my BGS dropped in price while i was staring at the fang price for weeks
Someone clue me in - are they not burning the gp taken from GE fees? If they are, they need to bump the fees because it clearly isn't enough. If not, then that's at least a start.
How do you know if Jagex isn't artificially increasing the price of the bonds on GE?
fever spiders adding alchables in large numbers goes against recent game design principles, im shocked by it
Well they just nerfed it.
@@nickbmxguysadness
The boss coming in Varlamore part 2 has been confirmed draconic for a bit now.
It originally wasn't, but they changed that.
I'm sure the OSRS team could fix/raise the max cash issue, which they'll probably need to at some point. They already did this on RS3 with an invisible workaround so it's definitely possible. RS3 max cash now is 2,147,483,649,147,483,647 or 2.147 quintillion
The main people buying bonds are bot farms, it’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Jagex needs bot farms for their profits and frankly it seems we do too for some things. Everyone complained when the price of Prayer pots and Sharks went up because no one wants to do that many farm runs and 76 fishing is a very high bar for an item you need a dozen of before you do any combat task.
They are 130m in rs3 shits rough
What i wanna know is, why rune prices have crashed to almost half value in the last month 🕵️
i wonder how much this inflation is affecting the Venezuelan economy
Ill be taking a break from osrs until this mess is sorted, Ive been putting off things that I need to do anyways
It's almost to the point i don't even want to grind for them anymore, I like just casually skilling and don't play all that often but still find myself having to grind something more than I'd like to a few days before the bond is up to keep it...
Gold is massively inflated in osrs. And with nature runes under 100gp it's only going to get worse.
Theirs a very big difference between wealth injection and gold injections. For example runes and bones and herbs can become gold for the player that obtained them, but their worth gold they don’t directly become gold. On the other hand, dragon hide armors, addy gear, these don’t really do anything but become gold adding to the economy. Jadex really really needs to not just add some real gold sinks, but need to really lay off those alckables and find some way to get player to transfer items for wealth not for direct gold.
because bonds and rs gp are trading into real world currency, they are representing what is happeing with IRL money inflation. RSgp should be on forex imo
There needs to be long-term safe investment option to hedge against gp inflation, like some Misthalin treasury bonds.
It's to force paid membership on people..
When I quite rs3 I just bought bonds cuz I knew I would use the members for OSRS, they were 20m at the time. Crazy now.
max cash limit is set for a reason. its the highest integer that can be set using 32 bit platform.
At this rate, by the end of the year, membership will be unsustainable without nolifing raids. Like, literaly. like 4 years ago I bought a year's worth of membership for two of my accounts for like 150mil total. 2 months ago I've spent 200m+ on a single account. It's literally insane.
Get a job
@@hawkotf3524had to sell it for a bond bud
I seriously don't get why people buy bonds... I have to work like 2 hours in my job for my yearly subscription, why waste digital money I have to grind 10x more for on that?
Job, unless you’re not old enough to work is the best way. Even if you have a $15/hr job, that’s nearly 28M per hour assuming bonds are at 14M each.
@@Latinblood59 There are many factors. The job argument makes no sense. I play runescape for fun in my free time, why would I pay for it with money I >actually< worked for? For now it's still easy to sustain bond, but with the rising prices I don't know... Plus not everybody lives in the US, in Europe it's 11€ which is 1 to 2 hours of actual work
I've found the profit from dailies like farm runs, bird runs, etc have also gone up so maintaining a bond isn't quite that different than when it was 6m
Easily 20m bonds end of the year imo
Rs3 bonds have skyrocketed as well.
I believe the biggest source of gold in the game is High alch. It produces so much gold to the game and is a training method that everyone uses.
If Jagex wants to fix this I would change it to produce gold bars instead of gold coins. High alch an item to an item instead of pure gold.
Everyone thought i was a fool when i bought 20 bonds before i took my break. They were 3 mil ea then and I overpaid
love the videos,may i ask if your still working on the flipping to max?its been months since last episode
It's sad really, I was going to try and get into runescape due to watching a lot of Settled, and play f2p to grind for a bond, but after seeing how expensive the bonds are, I was kind of put-off, I don't want to spend real money on a bond if I'm not going to enjoy the game.
why would you want to spend real money on a bond? just pay for the actual membership. why is 10,99 too much for a game with so much content?
They got mad about good pvmers were able to basically play free. They want more of your money. Also alot of power creep updates. They want more of your money.
they weren't playing for free. someone else paid for their membership. And this someone else paid more than it would just cost in real world cash.
Exactly what Jagex wants 😉
Bond will likely reach it's crest this summer, the bubble also burst so hard no one bought a bond during a six hour period before it crashed under 11m before swinging back up to 12-13 now
If you've never looked into Albion Online and you're a long time OSRS player, highly recommend.
the amount of gold coming into the game is insane right now. Every dragon item is valued on the G E for under it's alch price. So if a player is smart they are alching every drop they get up to every dragon item they get. The game has never been like that they cant sink that kind of cash.
BlackMarket
Price RS3 $0.01 per mill and
OSRS $0.17 per mill.
8$ per bond at 15m would make that $0.50 per mill exchange rate from jagex.
This means bonds can double to around 40m.
I don't see them going much higher then 50-60m in future.
The Voidwaker not recovering is almost certainly due to there being no item sink for VW or it's pieces unlike virtually all other rares. Other rares are botted as well, bots are not the explanation.
It's because botters hide their money by putting it into bond form. So this means less bonds for the rest of us which causes the price to skyrocket
an interesting idea
Yea but it's not like it's a finite resource it's a literal line of code an infinite supply
No it's because the bonds work for osrs and rs3, so its tied to both economies, rs3 has horrible inflation and its causing osrs to follow suit
@@hardup9809 Bonds are only sold on the ge by players, a bond must be purchased, there is a finite amount of bonds. Honestly what is happening is low supply of bonds and the demand is the same or has gone up since I bet more players are active recently due to big game updates.
@@devinwalters8808 you can't transfer money from one game to another. currently osrs has much worse inflation than rs3.
I reckon part of the reason bonds are going up, is also because people have less I'll money to spend on bonds to sell for gold for people to buy.
Game's dying, gold farming is going nuts, inflation is wild, so duh bonds go up.
Time to quit playing
Watching you talk about bonds being super expensive made me buy 5 bonds with irl cash for the first time ever to get GP in osrs lol
I did this. I value my time, why grind when I can pay the company.
@xConstipatedPandax why support a company when they are ruining the game, or at least allowing their game to be ruined. I see the same bots for weeks at a time. Jamflex doesn't give af, they just want your money
@@The_Real_Uncle_Ruckus You realize by people paying a company, they then have the liquid to fix issues within it, right?
And OSRS being "ruined" is entirely subjective, that sucks you think the game is ruined, but 95% of the active player base would say the game has gone in nothing but a positive direction.
@biggiesmalls7939 lol. You actually think they'll fix the bot problem if they have money for it? How come they've always been a MASSIVE issue then?🤔 Also, where are you getting this "95%" from? From my experience, I'd bet half the player base is bots. Drink more of the kool-aid and give them more of your money and see if that fixes it. 👏🏻👍🏻🐑
there needs to be a free-to-play boss that has a bond drop
It's starting to piss me off how much membership costs.
just pay for it with actual money. it's less than the hourly wage for even basic jobs.
@@HeavyMetalGamingHD membership is like 14 bucks for 1 month, cheaper if you go longer.
That's an insane price.
@@JoeyP946 wow cost this much in 2004. so no. absolutely normal price for a mmo. and in this case two mmos
@@HeavyMetalGamingHD Right, and right now Wow costs 12.99 per month. It dropped in price.
Runescape on the other hand nearly tripled.
@@JoeyP946 wow has a 70€ expansion every year. it's way more expensive now. so no. you are wrong.
I logged into my account for the first time in 2 years. I choked on my drink when I looked at current bond prices
osrs needs a proper gold sink
there should be a buff to f2p since its basically impossible to get a decent amount of gp without spending literal hours
Bond prices are like cigarette prices these days😂
why do people refuse to pay for this game with this insane amount of content? why do people feel forced to spend countless of hours to grind for a bond just to then play? Working for one hour in a actual job will give you more than enough to play the game for 1+ months. (way more than 1 month with premier pass)
THE RICH GET RICHER ! HEDGE WITH OSRS GP!
Because jagex wants to get rid of gold sellers permanently
nah, because then gold seller prices would still be constant, but the gold seller prices go down as bond prices go up. so essentially both are just a symptom of gp inflation
I mean we already have almost as much inflation in the US economy..
The last idk 10 updates have introduced almost purely alch value based drop tables, like wildy agility, skely pirates, fever spiders and even the colloseum can drop millions in alchs per run, basically everything has been easy to bot and considering ban rates are down it’s hard to say this isn’t all just to increase the price of bonds, though if you look at the real estate market bonds have been keeping up with that level of inflation pretty close lmao
Also, if their rationale is making stuff for Ironman they are doing the opposite of what that player group really wants, people will stop playing if you continue to devalue Ironmans grinds, honestly the problem is probably everyone on the team who loves the game is gone
i wish they would add some monster similar to green drags so its actual materials instead of just more alchables
Jagex; can i have your----
Me; *hands over wallet*
I've been calling it "void-walker" this whole time.
Take a look at Dragon Bolts and the unfeathered version. Likely nex bots bringing them in given Torva at a low now too. Fletching is a good skill to train if you want to bank on bolts recovering!
last bond i bought was about 5m and i thought that was alot at the time now theyre 14m lol rip to f2p trying to bond with gp. I didnt use it at the time and am about to just sell it cuz trying to keep up with mems as a gp bonder only is kind of a pain when you are a mobile noob who cant boss or anything like that. I do have about 70m but i dont want to end up going broke as id have to make at least 1mil a day just to break even so i havent played in awhile cuz i havent felt like grinding that much lol sht sux they need to go back down asap. I could probably manage it but id have to play at least a couple hours every day unless i got a good drop or something
Scrap sailing for invention. Item and gold sink
not sure about other items but i thought of the bond value increasing as an indicator of demand. the game keeps breaking player count records (from a combination of real players and bots).
maybe it's a mix of increase in demand + gold rapidly entering the game? i guess only jagex would know for certain.
iTs BaLANcEd bY bEInG iN tHE WilDy
Not it fucking isnt the zombie pirates make literally no fucking sense where they are. They belong near the pirates hideout in 50+ then maybe it would be balanced