I am off to see it here next week in Belgium when it comes to the cinema. I read the Claire Keegan's book, and having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself. One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
@@Muckly77 I saw it during the week and really enjoyed it! You probably already know that the director is from Belgium (Tim Mielants), so it should do well over there too. Although it's a very Irish story, it definitely taps into the universal dilemma of speaking out about that something that isnt right.
Seen the film and Cillian is outstanding. It is very thought provoking, intense and true to the book. Emily Watson too who plays Mother Superior is incredible in the role and so eerie. The film will pull at your heart strings as Billy (Cillian's role) struggles with his own troubles. It's a must to see and well worth awards for the acting and content.
Beaten beyond belief, raped, not taken care of at all in these places. Women were treated badly as well. The men got away without it affecting their lives much at all.
In the past people were told a lot of lies regarding these places, for example children that were born to unmarried parents, and put in schools and orphanages died from illness. That is true to a degree, but others were beaten to a pulp, by priests, and buried in unmarked graves. Shocking reality of this country. A story that needs to be told like song for a raggy boy.
@@adnangunterkose9089 I’m just razzing you!! Oh wait, I think I read your comment as he *isn’t*, are you saying he IS the best of our times??? ( I’m a huge Peaky Blinders fan, and new to the whole universe of it all!!😍)
This is not Cillian Murphy narrating. It is worth listening to the book as read on Audible. It has been beautifully done and is really a gorgeous book. Her other titles, also on Audible, are as good. Also on the internet is the press conference from the premiere of Small Things Like These at the Berlin Film Festival.
Hello, sorry if you were given the impression that this was Cillian narrating, that was not our intention. Couldn't agree with you more about Claire Keegan. I enjoyed her book Foster equally as much as Small Things Like These. I have included a link to the conference for the Berlin Film Festival in the description.
Remember the 1980s in Ireland was the equivalent of the 1930s in the United States. The last Magdalene Laundry closed in 1996. Since the 90s, the Catholic Church has lost most of its power because of all the sex scandals and the Magdalene laundries and the abuse of young boys by Priest. But this is a cautionary tale when I look at what’s going on in the United States when religious take over it’s terrifying
Yes, sadly and tragically. Especially when we know that Ireland was already part of the European union from the early 1970s. It was nicely kept a secret. Having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself. One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
Thank you for this book recommendation. Having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself. We need to bring it to the open, and talk about it! One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
@ You are so welcome! Vaughn & Alan Bishop are my uncles! They’re my mom’s brothers. They were caught in an abusive pedophile ring, one that would stage brutal orgies with children. I’m guessing the got my grandmother thru the YMCA like they had gotten the other mothers. They also loved turning siblings against each other. Who knows maybe even dark mass? Vaughn’s story is a case study. They used to make child sexual abuse material and they would sell it to a company called Dreamboy USA. All of this has been horrifying, what they did to my family. We just got out of a 5 year federal court case against the Santa Fe archdiocese, this has been one of the hardest fights of my life. Thank you for sharing your book I will look into reading it! Thank you for taking the time to write a book that will educate the world! I know how hard it can be to write about all of this, you have done the world a great favor! ❤️ I appreciate the information very much so! I also live next to the largest reservation in America where this also took place too, seeing the after effects decades later is unreal. I pray for everyone that’s been affected by this.
Hello, This was in reference to Phylis Valentine, who was transferred from an orphanage to a Magdalene Laundry because she was too pretty. Please find a link below. ua-cam.com/video/12xTQAJdvdE/v-deo.html That being said, it's difficult to figure out how widespread this was.
In the Irish mind, and in the minds of everyone else who has seen or read one of the many films, plays and books about the Magdalene laundries, these were horrific institutions brimming with violence and overseen by sadistic, pervy nuns. Yet the McAleese Report found not a single incident of sexual abuse by a nun in a Magdalene laundry. Not one. Also, the vast majority of its interviewees said they were never physically punished in the laundries. As one woman said, "It has shocked me to read in papers that we were beat and our heads shaved and that we were badly treated by the nuns… I was not touched by any nun and I never saw anyone touched." The small number of cases of corporal punishment reported to McAleese consisted of the kind of thing that happened in many normal schools in the 1960s, 70s and 80s: being caned on the legs or rapped on the knuckles. The authors of the McAleese Report, having like the rest of us imbibed the popular image of the Magdalene laundries as nun-run concentration camps, seem to have been taken aback by "the number of women who spoke positively about the nuns". And yet, despite the fact that the McAleese Report has utterly exploded the popular view of these laundries, some are wondering out loud if it was nonetheless legitimate and good to have produced so many embellished stories about evil nuns in recent years, as a way of highlighting the broader culture of abuse in the Catholic Church. As The Irish Times ponders: "Are factual inaccuracies in movies justified by role in highlighting issues?" The Times cites campaigners for justice who believe that "the role such [movies and books] played in highlighting the issue justified any artistic embellishment". A playwright told the paper that even if these portrayals of laundry life were exaggerated, they "served an important function at the time" - that is, to raise awareness about the problem of abuse in Catholic life more broadly. This sounds dangerously like a Noble Lie defence - the idea that it is okay to make things up, to spread fibs, if one is doing it in the service of some greater good. The idea of the "good lie", the lie which helps open people's eyes to the existence of wickedness, should be anathema to anyone who cares about getting history right and establishing the truth. Yet there seem to be many in Ireland who believe that telling "good lies" about the extent of abuse in Catholic institutions is an okay thing to do since it might prove cathartic for a nation allegedly in denial about its dark past. This isn't the first time that observers or artists have massively embellished the alleged evilness of the modern Catholic Church. In September 2010, The Independent casually reported that in America "over 10,000 children have come forward to say they were raped [by Catholic priests]". This wasn't true. For the period 1950 to 2002, 10,667 Americans have made allegations of sexual abuse against priests but the majority do not concern rape - they include other foul things, from verbal abuse through to fondling. When the Irish government published its Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse in 2009, newspaper headlines declared "Thousands were raped in Irish reform schools" or "Thousands raped in Ireland's Christian Brothers schools". But actually, the commission heard allegations of 68 rapes, not thousands. That is a horrific number as it is; why embellish it? Anyone who points out that reports and depictions of abuse in Catholic institutions have been overblown, risks being denounced as an abuse apologist or a sinister whitewasher. When I pointed out a couple of years ago that The Independent was wrong to say 10,000 children were raped by American priests, I was accused by one humanist magazine of being "pedantic". So it's pedantic to point out that there is a difference between being verbally abused by a priest and raped by one? These days, anyone who insists on getting the facts straight about Catholic institutions is accused of being a pedant, someone annoyingly and peskily committed to historical accuracy, rather than to the grander goal of making the Catholic Church appear as rotten and warped as possible, regardless of the facts. Yet those of us, even atheists like me, who are genuinely interested in truth and justice should definitely be concerned that films and news reports may have left the public with the mistaken belief that women in Magdalene laundries were stripped and beaten, and that thousands of Irish and American children were raped by priests. Catholic-bashers frequently accuse the Catholic religion of promoting a childish narrative of good and evil that is immune to factual evidence. Yet they do precisely the same, in the service of their fashionable and irrational new religion of anti-Catholicism.
Hello, and thank you for the response. Your comment seems to be an article written by Brendan O'Neill for The Telegraph in 2013. www.bishop-accountability.org/news2013/01_02/2013_02_14_ONeill_CATHOLICBASHERSHave.htm O'Neill's criticisms refer to the play Laundry and the movie The Magdalene Sisters. I have only read the book but I believe that these criticisms are not relevant for Small Things Like These. At no point, does the novel accuse the Laundries of physical or s*xual abuse. The story features mainly systemic and psychological abuse which definitely happened, was definitely wrong, and as such, deserves criticism.
@@IrishDeepDives Spot on! One thing I learned growing up in a dysfunctional environment is that while it’s easier to heal from physical abuse, the effects of systemic, repetitive psychological abuse are much harder to shake. It can linger for a lifetime unless you find a way to talk about it and begin the healing process.
‘Oppenheimer’ vs. ‘The Nun’. The contemplative life terrifies us more than ‘Art the Clown’. I don’t know if I could sit through a film about a fictional coal trader, who carries ‘a poor me’ look in his eyes wherever he goes, and a fictional religious drawn straight from ‘Dynasty’, who have a fictional conflict over fictional events…The lengths we go to! Who would ever say "your toast is getting cold?"
Eew! I think you're not joking which makes this comment really infuriating and why some people are scary dumb. Are you also one of those who deny parts of history to suit your "world view"? Nothing more disrespectful of human life than such beings imo.
@benu_bird some people think that just denying it would make the thing disappear or somehow lessen the gravity of its meaning or purpose. Such people are scary dumb and disrespectful imo
if anyone has seen the movie, let us know what you thought in the comments!
I am off to see it here next week in Belgium when it comes to the cinema. I read the Claire Keegan's book, and having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself.
One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
@@Muckly77 I saw it during the week and really enjoyed it! You probably already know that the director is from Belgium (Tim Mielants), so it should do well over there too. Although it's a very Irish story, it definitely taps into the universal dilemma of speaking out about that something that isnt right.
Seen the film and Cillian is outstanding. It is very thought provoking, intense and true to the book. Emily Watson too who plays Mother Superior is incredible in the role and so eerie. The film will pull at your heart strings as Billy (Cillian's role) struggles with his own troubles. It's a must to see and well worth awards for the acting and content.
It's really great that people who enjoyed the book also enjoyed the film. Not always the case!
A sad truth in history. Can’t wait for the film.
it is not just history.
I learnt more from this review then I did in the entire film
Beaten beyond belief, raped, not taken care of at all in these places. Women were treated badly as well. The men got away without it affecting their lives much at all.
Are there any topics you would like covered for the channel? Feel free to let us know ☘
In the past people were told a lot of lies regarding these places, for example children that were born to unmarried parents, and put in schools and orphanages died from illness. That is true to a degree, but others were beaten to a pulp, by priests, and buried in unmarked graves. Shocking reality of this country. A story that needs to be told like song for a raggy boy.
For me, Cillian ist the best actor in these times!
Must you show up here with this blasphemy!!?? lol 😁
@@Deelitee I don`t understand what you mean.
@@adnangunterkose9089 I’m just razzing you!! Oh wait, I think I read your comment as he *isn’t*, are you saying he IS the best of our times??? ( I’m a huge Peaky Blinders fan, and new to the whole universe of it all!!😍)
@@Deelitee Ah it would be an instant block if said 'isn't' 😅
@@IrishDeepDives 😇😇
Update! The release date has been changed since we published this video.
It's November 1st in Ireland and the UK, November 8th in the US
And next Wednesday 20 November here in Belgium.
This is not Cillian Murphy narrating.
It is worth listening to the book as read on Audible. It has been beautifully done and is really a gorgeous book. Her other titles, also on Audible, are as good.
Also on the internet is the press conference from the premiere of Small Things Like These at the Berlin Film Festival.
Hello, sorry if you were given the impression that this was Cillian narrating, that was not our intention.
Couldn't agree with you more about Claire Keegan. I enjoyed her book Foster equally as much as Small Things Like These.
I have included a link to the conference for the Berlin Film Festival in the description.
@@IrishDeepDivesyou didn't give the impression that he was narrating, don't know why anyone would think that
@@Mart-B We would love the budget to have Cillian as a voiceover 😅
I knew the narrator wasn’t Cillian, but he’s wonderful whoever he is. Surely it has to be whoever is behind the Irish Deep Dives channel.
@@jimmaccormaic6689 It's a voiceover., but I'll pass on your nice comments. Thanks for watching 😀
This woman was working in the Magdalene laundries during the 1980s??? My God!!!!
Remember the 1980s in Ireland was the equivalent of the 1930s in the United States. The last Magdalene Laundry closed in 1996. Since the 90s, the Catholic Church has lost most of its power because of all the sex scandals and the Magdalene laundries and the abuse of young boys by Priest.
But this is a cautionary tale when I look at what’s going on in the United States when religious take over it’s terrifying
Yes verry normal in IRELAND I WAS BORN IN ONE OF THESE HOMES IN 1975❤❤❤❤ I WAS FORSED TO GIVE UP MY SON IN 1996 IRELAND ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@vannesagannon4555 🙏
Yes, sadly and tragically. Especially when we know that Ireland was already part of the European union from the early 1970s. It was nicely kept a secret.
Having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself.
One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
Damn near up till the 2000s. They ended in 1998.
So sad 😢
New Mexicos Forgotten Children:Hacienda de Los Muchachos Vaughn Bighop. Sacrilege by Leon podles
Thank you for this book recommendation.
Having lived in Ireland for most of my adult life, I eventually came to write "Being-Eclipsed: Women Under the ‘Care’ of the Patriarchy," which I’ve self-published and recently released in a second edition with an audio-book on Amazon. This work delves into a uniquely Irish social phenomenon that resonates globally-a history of women’s experiences that needs to be remembered and transformed. Originally, I hoped Cillian could narrate it, but with his schedule, I chose a wonderful Irish female voice that truly brings it to life. This book is my way of offering forgiveness for what we once didn’t know but now can understand, so this part of human history never has the chance to repeat itself. We need to bring it to the open, and talk about it!
One thing I’ve learned from living all over Europe is that when people take the time to prepare, do their homework, and truly consider this chapter of Ireland’s history-one that isn’t just Irish but universal-they begin to see how interconnected we are. Humanity isn’t black and white; we all carry histories of struggle and resilience.
@ You are so welcome! Vaughn & Alan Bishop are my uncles! They’re my mom’s brothers. They were caught in an abusive pedophile ring, one that would stage brutal orgies with children. I’m guessing the got my grandmother thru the YMCA like they had gotten the other mothers. They also loved turning siblings against each other. Who knows maybe even dark mass? Vaughn’s story is a case study. They used to make child sexual abuse material and they would sell it to a company called Dreamboy USA. All of this has been horrifying, what they did to my family. We just got out of a 5 year federal court case against the Santa Fe archdiocese, this has been one of the hardest fights of my life. Thank you for sharing your book I will look into reading it! Thank you for taking the time to write a book that will educate the world! I know how hard it can be to write about all of this, you have done the world a great favor! ❤️ I appreciate the information very much so! I also live next to the largest reservation in America where this also took place too, seeing the after effects decades later is unreal. I pray for everyone that’s been affected by this.
David Caves, Northern Irish actor from "Silent Witness" TV Series, is the narrator
Hello, I'm afraid that David Caves is not the voiceover for this channel. Thank you so much for watching.
How will this movie compare to Magdalene sisters as it tacklesthe same topics
Where have these observations come from. I've never heard of 'pre-emptive entrants', for instance. Is that documented somewhere that I could verify?
Hello,
This was in reference to Phylis Valentine, who was transferred from an orphanage to a Magdalene Laundry because she was too pretty. Please find a link below.
ua-cam.com/video/12xTQAJdvdE/v-deo.html
That being said, it's difficult to figure out how widespread this was.
Narrator sounds a little like Jonjo O’Neill
That Cillian is now with the likes of damon and affleck. idk.
In the Irish mind, and in the minds of everyone else who has seen or read one of the many films, plays and books about the Magdalene laundries, these were horrific institutions brimming with violence and overseen by sadistic, pervy nuns. Yet the McAleese Report found not a single incident of sexual abuse by a nun in a Magdalene laundry. Not one. Also, the vast majority of its interviewees said they were never physically punished in the laundries. As one woman said, "It has shocked me to read in papers that we were beat and our heads shaved and that we were badly treated by the nuns… I was not touched by any nun and I never saw anyone touched." The small number of cases of corporal punishment reported to McAleese consisted of the kind of thing that happened in many normal schools in the 1960s, 70s and 80s: being caned on the legs or rapped on the knuckles. The authors of the McAleese Report, having like the rest of us imbibed the popular image of the Magdalene laundries as nun-run concentration camps, seem to have been taken aback by "the number of women who spoke positively about the nuns".
And yet, despite the fact that the McAleese Report has utterly exploded the popular view of these laundries, some are wondering out loud if it was nonetheless legitimate and good to have produced so many embellished stories about evil nuns in recent years, as a way of highlighting the broader culture of abuse in the Catholic Church. As The Irish Times ponders: "Are factual inaccuracies in movies justified by role in highlighting issues?" The Times cites campaigners for justice who believe that "the role such [movies and books] played in highlighting the issue justified any artistic embellishment". A playwright told the paper that even if these portrayals of laundry life were exaggerated, they "served an important function at the time" - that is, to raise awareness about the problem of abuse in Catholic life more broadly.
This sounds dangerously like a Noble Lie defence - the idea that it is okay to make things up, to spread fibs, if one is doing it in the service of some greater good. The idea of the "good lie", the lie which helps open people's eyes to the existence of wickedness, should be anathema to anyone who cares about getting history right and establishing the truth. Yet there seem to be many in Ireland who believe that telling "good lies" about the extent of abuse in Catholic institutions is an okay thing to do since it might prove cathartic for a nation allegedly in denial about its dark past.
This isn't the first time that observers or artists have massively embellished the alleged evilness of the modern Catholic Church. In September 2010, The Independent casually reported that in America "over 10,000 children have come forward to say they were raped [by Catholic priests]". This wasn't true. For the period 1950 to 2002, 10,667 Americans have made allegations of sexual abuse against priests but the majority do not concern rape - they include other foul things, from verbal abuse through to fondling. When the Irish government published its Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse in 2009, newspaper headlines declared "Thousands were raped in Irish reform schools" or "Thousands raped in Ireland's Christian Brothers schools". But actually, the commission heard allegations of 68 rapes, not thousands. That is a horrific number as it is; why embellish it?
Anyone who points out that reports and depictions of abuse in Catholic institutions have been overblown, risks being denounced as an abuse apologist or a sinister whitewasher. When I pointed out a couple of years ago that The Independent was wrong to say 10,000 children were raped by American priests, I was accused by one humanist magazine of being "pedantic". So it's pedantic to point out that there is a difference between being verbally abused by a priest and raped by one? These days, anyone who insists on getting the facts straight about Catholic institutions is accused of being a pedant, someone annoyingly and peskily committed to historical accuracy, rather than to the grander goal of making the Catholic Church appear as rotten and warped as possible, regardless of the facts. Yet those of us, even atheists like me, who are genuinely interested in truth and justice should definitely be concerned that films and news reports may have left the public with the mistaken belief that women in Magdalene laundries were stripped and beaten, and that thousands of Irish and American children were raped by priests.
Catholic-bashers frequently accuse the Catholic religion of promoting a childish narrative of good and evil that is immune to factual evidence. Yet they do precisely the same, in the service of their fashionable and irrational new religion of anti-Catholicism.
Hello, and thank you for the response.
Your comment seems to be an article written by Brendan O'Neill for The Telegraph in 2013.
www.bishop-accountability.org/news2013/01_02/2013_02_14_ONeill_CATHOLICBASHERSHave.htm
O'Neill's criticisms refer to the play Laundry and the movie The Magdalene Sisters. I have only read the book but I believe that these criticisms are not relevant for Small Things Like These. At no point, does the novel accuse the Laundries of physical or s*xual abuse. The story features mainly systemic and psychological abuse which definitely happened, was definitely wrong, and as such, deserves criticism.
@@IrishDeepDives Spot on! One thing I learned growing up in a dysfunctional environment is that while it’s easier to heal from physical abuse, the effects of systemic, repetitive psychological abuse are much harder to shake. It can linger for a lifetime unless you find a way to talk about it and begin the healing process.
‘Oppenheimer’ vs. ‘The Nun’. The contemplative life terrifies us more than ‘Art the Clown’. I don’t know if I could sit through a film about a fictional coal trader, who carries ‘a poor me’ look in his eyes wherever he goes, and a fictional religious drawn straight from ‘Dynasty’, who have a fictional conflict over fictional events…The lengths we go to! Who would ever say "your toast is getting cold?"
I don’t think I understand…??
Eew! I think you're not joking which makes this comment really infuriating and why some people are scary dumb. Are you also one of those who deny parts of history to suit your "world view"?
Nothing more disrespectful of human life than such beings imo.
Stoppppppppppppppppppppp❤to all
No such thing as a sex ‘worker’.
Yes there is. That term has been used for years.
@benu_bird some people think that just denying it would make the thing disappear or somehow lessen the gravity of its meaning or purpose. Such people are scary dumb and disrespectful imo