Bette Midler presenting Herbie Hancock the Oscar® for Music (Original Score) for "Round Midnight" at the 59th Academy Awards® in 1987. Hosted by Chevy Chase.
I'm italian, I'm a composer, I higly respect other musicians no matter what music style they are. With all due respect to Mr. Hancock, in 1987 Maestro Morricone has created a masterpice that will live forever. Everybody knows and remeber that magical, simple, graceful, powerful and ecstatic music from the movie and even people that never had the chance to listen to that before are mesmerized, touched and blessed from being exposed to that music for the first time. The music from Morricone will live forever. The main theme for the Mission is a true cultural heritage of humanity. Music is the best we have. Music is the best we are.
You completely underestimate how legendary of an album Herbie made. Don’t let your love of Morricone blind you to different tastes. I highly doubt ANY music will l live in forever, but both Morricone and Hancock’s music will live on for a long time.
@@ros22ta05gno87 però alla gente non piace sentirle, non è così difficile di capire che Ennio meritava vincere con questa musica, ma se un'italiano dice questo è razzista. Roba da pazzi
I have never taken the Oscars seriously again and haven't paid attention to it since. Ennio Morricone's The Mission soundtrack, one of if not the most moving ones in movie history, lost to.........Herbie Hancock???????? It's so pathetic it's actually comedy gold.
As much as I love Herbie Hancock as a jazz musician, Round Midnight, a score with hardly any original music, losing to The Mission, Ennio Morricone’s greatest score in his career, is by far the worst decision made by the Academy in the score category of all time.
Ennio Morricone was robbed, Harbie is a great musician and composer but round midnight was not an original score , the score originally is made by T.Monk ,what a big mistake accademy did
Hear, hear. Absolutely!! If some of us were in that audience, we'd be giving waves of resounding ovations, not least of all for the names Hancock praises and all who, sung or unsung, have indeed lived and given their all to this great, if not the greatest, art form. Hancock, Tavernier, Gordon. Sophistication. Culture. Courage. Conviction. Artistry. Class.
Round Midnight jazz was wonderful and engaged the audience off and in the movie. Real musicians doing jazz uplifted all of us committed to this art form!!
I agree with you 100%. A lot of complaints here about "The Mission" not receiving its due. However, the authenticity (sometimes a loaded term) of the jazz performances conducted by Herbie, Dexter, and others is unparalleled.
Well Herbie. You actually did not deserve the Oscar. But without this injustice we would have never seen Ennio celebrated and awarded on occasion of Tarantino's Hateful 8. In 2016, the hug between Williams & Morricone is the best moving moment in film music history.
Martin Lotz, Dear you did not read the message properly. He just said he did not deserve the Oscar; or if you prefer and helps you to better understand THE MISSION was much better. None said Hebei is not a valid and talented musician.
ENNIO ES UN GENIO !!!!!! Él mereció ganar, su música es bellísima !!!!!! A Herbie recién lo escucho y como decimos acá en Perú " No le llega ni a los talones ". ENNIO mereció ganar el Oscar no solo uno sino varios.
Harbie is a great musician , but round midnight simply wasn’t an original score , didn’t deserve to win , expecially in front a counterpoint composition as Mission is .
Herbie is great, ennio Morricone who should have won (what a sham and joke the Oscars are) will be remembered for a very long time as the worlds greatest modern composer. many of us are only expressing this
A big joke - got it over Morricone's "The Mission" !!! A comparison: Round Midnight gets like 25k views on UA-cam while The Mission gets more than 25m - says it all!
Ese Oscar sin duda era para Ennio Morricone, hoy nadie se acuerda de ese soundtrack ganador del Oscar. Y el de Ennio es uno de los grandes soundtracks clasicos del cine
For some, it was "Rebel Without A Cause" (1956?) Or "Diner" (1983) or "Grand Canyon" (1992) but for me as a twenty something young adult in 1986 it was "Round Midnight" It defined my origins, and the type of human being I wanted to be, and how I wanted to live my life...not a musician, but as a patron of the art form. Sadly, it also defined the last hurrah for many of these masters during that "Renaissance" of the mid 1980's. With their passing, they took with them the dedication, guidance, craftsmanship, and passion. Not just the deceased musicians, but those knowledgeable veteran radio announcers too, who were artists in their own right. So, at the very least, I did get to see one of the era's best films win something.
Aliens received an Oscar nomination for best original score in 1987. It was the first of many for James Horner. Hoosiers by Jerry Goldsmith. The Mission by Ennio Morricone. Round Midnight by Herbie Hancock. It was his only Oscar nomination to date. Star Trek lV: The Voyage Home by Leonard Rosenman. This was his fourth and final Oscar nomination. The winner is Herbie Hancock for Round Midnight.
@pnojazz Of course, you realise my question was facetious. As much as I love Ennio Morricone and his work...the only way you could hear the music for The Mission after seeing it at the cinema was to buy the release and play it at home or on your Walkman cassette. On the other hand, the TWO releases for the motion picture Round Midnight, (OST on Columbia, and "The Other Side Of Round Midnight" on Blue Note) which were released before the film's debut, received considerable airplay on jazz stations worldwide, especially after the debut. So you and me are in total simpatico, seeing this award going to the clear winner, and Jazz music and it's masters finally receiving an assemblage of respect.
We must not forget who composed "Round Midnight", the great Thelonious Monk. Many, many have recorded this masterpiece from 1947. Yes 1947, -good- *Great Music is Timeless!*
And what exactly did he write? 2 very nice songs, with a total length of ... 7 minutes ! The Academy Award for Best Original Score is supposed to go to someone who actually wrote the music for an entire movie, not just 7 minutes of it. Perhaps you weren't aware of the facts.
Not because I say so; it is enough read comments to realize the great injustice that the academy has done that year. Everyone, in the world of music, (especially in the world of soundtracks) knows and openly says that Ennio Morricone should have won the Oscar. In fact, when the winner was announced, the audience in the hall protested. Ennio Morricone left the room indignant. But this, of course, you can't see it in the «official» docs. Strange huh? G.
There is absolutely no comparison or competition between the music of Round Midnight and ANY of the other candidates. As Herbie says, some have suffered and died for this music.. Jazz. We're talking about a whole different level of performance and Art.
Honestly I think that even Star Trek IV is better than Round Midnight "original" score. Few remember Hanckock music (or should I say Thelonius') , everybody knows The Mission.
While the orchestra music is not a high level of art? But in any case: is this an award to the best music type? This is an award to the best original score and round midnight music was half already existing
Since April of 1982, it was just one of those things which Herbie Hancock wrote the music of many motifs because there is no absolutely no comparison or competition between the music of every project and any of the other candidates. As he says, "some have suffered and died for this music. Because we're talking about a whole different level of performance and art."
90% of the people here criticizing this win haven't seen Round Midnight. Ennio may have deserved it more but put some respect on Herbie's name for God's sakes, the man may well be called a genius. I'm Italian myself so I am sorry for Ennio but there are bigger injustices out there. It was damn time jazz got some recognition.
calmati, guardati round midnight e torna con un po piu di rispetto, e parlo di rispetto in generale, senza insultare gente a caso per un opinione@@vincenzorenda1774
I wonder about if Bette Midler’s “Aliens” joke at first in this video was just for a pure entertainment. James Horner said he thought the original score of The Mission was just wonderful and he even voted for it instead of his Aliens. ua-cam.com/video/gHIsCsXTBFM/v-deo.html (46:07-) This article explains Ennio’s feeling at the 1987 Oscar. It’s from his interview after he won Oscar for “Hateful 8” in 2015. - Speaking through an interpreter, the maestro, now a lively if craggy 87, isn’t exactly laughing when he says this. You get the impression that he still cares quite a bit. I have read that he was particularly annoyed when his score for The Mission lost to Herbie Hancock’s for Round Midnight, in 1986. Dark clouds gather around him. “This is true,” he rumbles. “The audience in the theatre shouted when it was announced. They were also disappointed. Herbie Hancock had only 50 per cent original music for the film. The rest was made up of songs arranged by Herbie. It was not fair. Herbie is a great pianist and arranger, but the music was not 100 per cent original. I left the room immediately. I was very cross. The audience kept on shouting.” www.irishtimes.com/…/ennio-morricone-sergio-leone-a… Herbie Hancock later played keyboard for Quincy Jones’ version of “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” theme on an Ennio Morricone tribute album in 2007, “We All Love Ennio Morricone.” (ua-cam.com/video/Zm9XrQc2tzw/v-deo.html) These two masters seem they really respected each other. That's cool.
"Herbie Hancock. Good jazz musician, good composer, good pianist. I don't dispute that. But the main character played existing pieces. So the music was half repertoire, and should not have been in the Original Music category." - Ennio Morricone
@@jwelch5742 You say that like disagreeing with the winners is a bad thing. People are going to have different opinions about who should and shouldn't have won an Oscar, so get used to it.
Also I think Williams not winning for 'The Empire Strikes Back' and Goldsmith not winning for 'Star Trek - The Motion Picture' are worse outcomes than Morricone not winning for 'The Mission'. Bernstein wasn't even nominated for 'The Great Escape' as another example of how badly wrong the original score award can go.
Even though Michael Gore's score for Fame isn't particularly remembered today, Williams not winning for The Empire Strikes Back doesn't bother me since at least he won for the first film.
Herbie Hancock is great. But his work on Round Midnight didn't deserve for Best Original Score, not because it wasn't good, but because the song was excist before since 1944 and so it was NOT ORIGINAL. It was adaptation. For ORIGINAL SCORE, of course Morricone deserved more to win.
Monk and Cooties' Round Midnight wasn't the "Flagship" from the OST, "Chan's Song" was. And that is an original composition written for the film. Hancock wisely re-read period piece music throughout the film, in form of standards and ballads etc. If you examine Hancock's discography you will see he had more than enough of material to use if he wanted to. The screenplay was France in the late 1950's, specifically Paris, and a day trip to Lyon, I think. Without the inclusion of popular jazz standards written by other composers, and famous song writers, the film would not have made sense. That's what Jazz musicians play.
Here’s what I don’t understand: Dexter Gordon also made the film's soundtrack but only Herbie got nominated. The soundtrack was released in two parts: ‘Round Midnight’ (which Herbie made) and ‘The Other Side of Round Midnight’ (which Dexter made). But why didn’t the two of them work on the same soundtrack, that way Dexter could’ve won as well?
No, he's written thousands of TV and film scores over the course of his longest career in Hollywood history. He earned both Academy Awards, including an honorary award in 2007. And it makes some common sense to listen to.
herbie had only one way to make history: go up on stage and declare: Obviously the academy was distracted and wrote my name by mistake, I am honored to personally deliver this award to MAestro Ennio Morricone
I see around alot of debate of who should have won this oscar: I have my opinion, The Mission theme gives me chill EVERY time I listen it. I tried listening "Round Midnight" score: nice but that's it. You might say is because i am not a Jazz music lover, fair enough but i am not even a classic orchestra music lover. Maybe I am wrong? I went then to look for how may views have those 2 soundtracks: Round Midnight ones stays at few tenths of k, while The Mission are in average at hundreds of k, few some at M or 20M: improbable then that 20M people are wrong...
I miss those days when Bette Midler could tear apart the ceremonial pomposity with her bawdy humor. Though I enjoyed her here, she was better at the 1982 Oscars introducing the Best Song category; please upload that one soon! Excellent bunch of nominees here, but Ennio was robbed here!
Round Midnight however had 50% of the non-original music: half was flour of the sack of musicians such as Cole Porter and Thelonious Monk, while the category provides that they are all new compositions!!! Stolen statue ... :(
The fact that Round midnight and other song which appear in that movie are written by Thelonious Monk and others is true, but Herbie Hancock arranged all the tunes and orchestrated them, where he did a remarkable work.
@@etiennewittich9652 Which does not make that deserving of a nomination, let alone an Oscar for what is supposed to honor an ORIGINAL score. There have been a large number of tin ear highway robberies in the Best Score category down through the decades ("Fame" over ESB, "Love Story" over "Patton") but this was absolute Grand Larceny on an epic scale to not just Ennio Morricone (who should have won) but to the other nominees who were professionals in the realm of composing film music. Instead, the Academy voted for a Jazz name they were more familiar with.
I think Rosenman was a bit lucky to be nominated that year. I'm not disputing his other nominations in other years, but 'ST - IV: TVH' is not my idea of one of that year's 5 best scores. I think Morricone, or Goldsmith should have won and Horner deserved his nomination for a highly effective score composed under difficult circumstances.
ONE OF THE worst choices for best score was the win given to Marvin Hamlisch for The Way WE Were in 1974, the song, THE WAY Were is a wonderful song, but Hamlish should not have received the best score Oscar, only the best SONG. The JERRY GOLDSMITH MASTERPIECE, "PAPILLION," should have received the best score oscar.THIS WAS ONE OF JERRY'S GREATEST SCORES. In 1979 THE Buddy Holly Story winning best score and adaptation for a musical, beating out Quincy Jones for "The Wiz". QUINCY was robbed.The people who make the finale decision are not musicians, this is the problem.The 1974 best score Oscar should have gone to Jerry Goldsmith.
Dame Vera Lynn in Los Angeles in September 1994: The people who make these final decisions, not musicians, not anyone. Ever. For example, Franklin J. Schaffner's adaptation of Henri Charriere's "Papillon" was a powerful masterpiece. This was one of Jerry Goldsmith's greatest scores during his longest career. The film adaptation was nominated for an Oscar for Best Achievement in Music - Original Dramatic Score (Jerry Goldsmith) in 1974. Released by Allied Artists (1973 -1980); Lorimar Telepictures (1980 - 1989) and Warner Bros Pictures (1989 - present). And even Sidney Lumet's adaptation of Baum/Brown's "The Wiz" was one of a kind picture for everyone to see. Quincy Jones' music adaptation was very good and received him an 1979 Oscar nomination for his wonderful efforts. This was a co-production of Motown Productions and Universal-International. Distributed by Universal Pictures in the US, Canada and other countries throughout the world in October 24, 1978. Peter MacGregor - Scott gives some advice for today's filmmakers: "As long as you have these solutions, the problems may never exist."
Madre mía! Esta decisión es una prueba más que me reafirma en mi idea de que los Oscars no representan nada más que una serie de intereses. Este hombre debería haber ganado varios premios Oscar a lo largo de su carrera, al igual que Hitchcock por mejor director o Cary Grant por mejor actor. Morricone finalmente recibió un Oscar, de los que a veces concede la Academia para compensar, como a Al Pacino por Esencia de Mujer, pero no elimina la injusticia cometida.
The travesty that was The Mission not getting the Oscar. What a joke and sham the Oscars are and have been for a long time. Herbie Hancocks Jazz soundtrack isn't even special
Reading the comments I’m reminded that only in our vaunted age of insipid competition and immature fanboy legions can something as banal as an academy award become a lightening rod for angry fans. This is the kind of mentality we traditionally expect from sports fans. Since when did music become a sport???
This is a bit of nonsense I must say. To suggest that this is related to modern culture (except of course thast this is youtube) is rubbish. The debate about musuc and composers has raged on for several hundred years. This appears to be just a reason to have a dig at modern culture (which I agree is shit)
Elaine Wilkes in 1994: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home has received Leonard Rosenman's fourth and final Academy Award nomination for best achievement in music - original score in 1987.
@@HAL-vm3wn In Naomi Judd's words on Bill Maher's Emmy nominated nine-year run of "Politically Incorrect" on WABC 7, when she says "who cares?" I'll figure it out in a better way, okay? Sometimes used to stress when everything is not important. The composers can't carry a tune, but who cares? At least they're having fun writing scores with motifs and that's what really matters. Who cares what anybody says? The composers will do it their way and get it just right.
I'm sorry, but I think of Jazz as more of a soundtrack than a score. If we allow that, then all you need is a bunch of instrumentals to be the film's score than an actual set of themes and motifs. At least Jerry, James, Leonard, and Ennio were doing that.
Motifs? "Chan's Song" had at least four different variations in the film. That was the original composition written for the film. The Protagonist "Dale Turner" (Gordon) composed it for his on screen teen age daughter "Chan" Not the Monk and Cootie Williams' Round Midnight.
Herbie is a wonderful musician, and has written some nice tunes, but he is not a film composer, and is not on the same level as Quincy Jones or Jerry Goldsmith as a composer. Look up 1965, "Mirage, " opening scene, by Quincy Jones. This is what a real composer sounds like.
Both composers were doing lots of scores for television and movies since 1957 and they were Quincy Jones & Jerry Goldsmith. But Herbie Hancock got his start on composing music for television and movies since 1966.
Just leave him alone. He did his very best for Roland Joffe's The Mission and got an Oscar nod in 1987. And from now on, he's moving fast forward into new scoring assignments such as The Untouchables.
For me, music has never been a joke and it hurts everybody, such as musicians. So looking forward to all kinds of music that fits my moods, wants and needs. For example, James Cameron's 1986 "Aliens" has the wonderful music score composed by James Horner, who earned the first of many Oscar nominations between 1987 and 2010. "Aliens" was his finest work as composer for Disney despite post production problems and everything else. The film's Oscar nominated score simply flew its wings. Released in movie theaters on October 30, 1986.
This is disgusting! Worse than a murder. You have the most beautiful score out there: THE MISSION and then some shits put together (=it's NOT ORIGINAL SCORE!!!), that even if you argue that it's good or even the same level as Ennio, still it shouldn't be qualified! My god this is a great example of politics in Oscars: We won't give it to an Italian man cause he doesn't like hollywood - instead, we'll give it to a black fella cause the desperate situation of 80's calls for desperate actions. *puking*
mission was and it is the best one
I'm italian, I'm a composer, I higly respect other musicians no matter what music style they are. With all due respect to Mr. Hancock, in 1987 Maestro Morricone has created a masterpice that will live forever. Everybody knows and remeber that magical, simple, graceful, powerful and ecstatic music from the movie and even people that never had the chance to listen to that before are mesmerized, touched and blessed from being exposed to that music for the first time. The music from Morricone will live forever. The main theme for the Mission is a true cultural heritage of humanity.
Music is the best we have. Music is the best we are.
You completely underestimate how legendary of an album Herbie made. Don’t let your love of Morricone blind you to different tastes. I highly doubt ANY music will l live in forever, but both Morricone and Hancock’s music will live on for a long time.
Amen
Parole sante
Nice but still no comparison
@@ros22ta05gno87 però alla gente non piace sentirle, non è così difficile di capire che Ennio meritava vincere con questa musica, ma se un'italiano dice questo è razzista. Roba da pazzi
ENNIO MORRICONE THE MISSION THE BEST SOUNDTRACK AND LIVE FOREVER
Yep denied
The best I've ever heard and lost to Herbie Hancock for ONE YEAR!?????? Comedy defined.
How is it possible that such a masterpiece as "Gabriel's oboe" theme didn't win the oscar ? Morricone deserved it by far!
One of the most undeserved Oscar in history. Morricone deserved it.
For me the more undeserved winner in Oscar history. Period.
I have never taken the Oscars seriously again and haven't paid attention to it since. Ennio Morricone's The Mission soundtrack, one of if not the most moving ones in movie history, lost to.........Herbie Hancock???????? It's so pathetic it's actually comedy gold.
I agree.
ENNIO MORRICONE was robbed
get fucked - Herbie is amazing and this music is Devine
Nah
@@janemba204 I'm sorry, okay?
Well, I wish Ennio should have won, you know?
Not if you’ve seen Round Midnight
As much as I love Herbie Hancock as a jazz musician, Round Midnight, a score with hardly any original music, losing to The Mission, Ennio Morricone’s greatest score in his career, is by far the worst decision made by the Academy in the score category of all time.
Also…both “Aliens” and “Star Trek IV” are fantastic, classic 80’s scores!
True, I love the score a lot as well as Mr Hancock himself but, yeah... Morricone was the true winner
Gabriel Orber.Ennio Morricone.
Ennio Morricone was robbed, Harbie is a great musician and composer but round midnight was not an original score , the score originally is made by T.Monk ,what a big mistake accademy did
The Mission Ennio Morricone.
great presenter, terrific winner (from an underrated film), super acceptance speech.
Hear, hear. Absolutely!! If some of us were in that audience, we'd be giving waves of resounding ovations, not least of all for the names Hancock praises and all who, sung or unsung, have indeed lived and given their all to this great, if not the greatest, art form. Hancock, Tavernier, Gordon. Sophistication. Culture. Courage. Conviction. Artistry. Class.
Biggest robbery in Academy history. Morricone’s music for Mission is an eternal masterpiece and the real deserving that night.
Round Midnight jazz was wonderful and engaged the audience off and in the movie. Real musicians doing jazz uplifted all of us committed to this art form!!
I agree with you 100%. A lot of complaints here about "The Mission" not receiving its due. However, the authenticity (sometimes a loaded term) of the jazz performances conducted by Herbie, Dexter, and others is unparalleled.
Well Herbie. You actually did not deserve the Oscar. But without this injustice we would have never seen Ennio celebrated and awarded on occasion of Tarantino's Hateful 8. In 2016, the hug between Williams & Morricone is the best moving moment in film music history.
and you can't blame Herbie for this, he's a wonderful musician in his own right.
@@martinpaddle Honestly, Herbie not deserved it: this controversy will remain. Unfortunately, Oscar Academy ruin Hangcock imagine too...
Martin Lotz, Dear you did not read the message properly. He just said he did not deserve the Oscar; or if you prefer and helps you to better understand THE MISSION was much better. None said Hebei is not a valid and talented musician.
@@TheArmChairMan I did read the message properly and I agree. I just added/emphasized that it's not Herbie's fault.
@@martinpaddle Nobody can't blame Herbie Hancock for this. Nobody. Since 1958, he's a wonderful Grammy/Oscar
winning musician in his own right.
The Winner is ENNIO MORRICONE. The Mission is music ispired by God.
Gaius Julius Caesar Ooh, god
Yep no contest, undeniable winner except by Hancock
ENNIO ES UN GENIO !!!!!!
Él mereció ganar, su música es bellísima !!!!!!
A Herbie recién lo escucho y como decimos acá en Perú " No le llega ni a los talones ". ENNIO mereció ganar el Oscar no solo uno sino varios.
Agreed
Estoy contigo merecia el Oscar...
También de peru y suscribo lo que dices
Es música de Jazz olvidable la que ganó, nada que ver con el hermoso soundtrack de Morricone que es epico.
A plea to this comments section: Put some respect on the name of the legend that is Herbie Hancock.
Harbie is a great musician , but round midnight simply wasn’t an original score , didn’t deserve to win , expecially in front a counterpoint composition as Mission is .
Herbie is great, ennio Morricone who should have won (what a sham and joke the Oscars are) will be remembered for a very long time as the worlds greatest modern composer. many of us are only expressing this
The winner is Ennio Morricone for The Mission …VERGOGNA Academy Awards!!!
He is so nervous in this speech! He recited it again in his book/audiobook Possibilities. The speech moved me when I heard it from the audiobook.
This was just a great, great movie. Dexter Gordon & Lonette McKee were both brilliant. You don't have to love Jazz to love this movie.
A big joke - got it over Morricone's "The Mission" !!! A comparison: Round Midnight gets like 25k views on UA-cam while The Mission gets more than 25m - says it all!
That only says one is more popular than the other. The Oscars are a popularity contest?!
Ese Oscar sin duda era para Ennio Morricone, hoy nadie se acuerda de ese soundtrack ganador del Oscar. Y el de Ennio es uno de los grandes soundtracks clasicos del cine
For some, it was "Rebel Without A Cause" (1956?) Or "Diner" (1983) or "Grand Canyon" (1992) but for me as a twenty something young adult in 1986 it was "Round Midnight"
It defined my origins, and the type of human being I wanted to be, and how I wanted to live my life...not a musician, but as a patron of the art form.
Sadly, it also defined the last hurrah for many of these masters during that "Renaissance" of the mid 1980's.
With their passing, they took with them the dedication, guidance, craftsmanship, and passion. Not just the deceased musicians, but those knowledgeable veteran radio announcers too, who were artists in their own right. So, at the very least, I did get to see one of the era's best films win something.
Este premio era de morricone
Aliens received an Oscar nomination for best original score in 1987. It was the first of many for James Horner.
Hoosiers by Jerry Goldsmith.
The Mission by Ennio Morricone.
Round Midnight by Herbie Hancock. It was his only
Oscar nomination to date.
Star Trek lV: The Voyage Home by Leonard Rosenman. This was his fourth and final
Oscar nomination.
The winner is Herbie Hancock for Round Midnight.
A remarkable speech from a remarkable artist.
Why would a soundtrack of a film, about MUSICIANS playing MUSIC win an Oscar in the music category?
because once upon a time musician's were recognized for playing actual instruments. The score for Round Midnight was the finest movie score for 1987.
@pnojazz
Of course, you realise my question was facetious.
As much as I love Ennio Morricone and his work...the only way you could hear the music for The Mission after seeing it at the cinema was to buy the release and play it at home or on your Walkman cassette.
On the other hand, the TWO releases for the motion picture Round Midnight, (OST on Columbia, and "The Other Side Of Round Midnight" on Blue Note) which were released before the film's debut, received considerable airplay on jazz stations worldwide, especially after the debut.
So you and me are in total simpatico, seeing this award going to the clear winner, and Jazz music and it's masters finally receiving an assemblage of respect.
La più grande beffa degli Oscar....il premio mancato ad Ennio Morricone!
We must not forget who composed "Round Midnight", the great
Thelonious Monk.
Many, many have recorded this masterpiece from 1947.
Yes 1947, -good- *Great Music is Timeless!*
I wonder who downloads herbie handcock’s winning songs compared to ennio morriconne? Hands down a win for Morriconne...
What an embarrassment. Totally ridiculous. Hernie Hancock over Ennio Morricone? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@@karlmonet he was the first black composer to win , that tells u all
@@3l237 Agreed.
I actually just added the whole album to my Apple Music - Chan’s song just slays me
the music Hancock wrote for the movie haunts me to this day - beautiful themes played brilliantly at just the right time
I love that he mentioned the brilliant Bud Powell first
And what exactly did he write? 2 very nice songs, with a total length of ... 7 minutes !
The Academy Award for Best Original Score is supposed to go to someone who actually wrote the music for an entire movie, not just 7 minutes of it.
Perhaps you weren't aware of the facts.
Morricone di deserve It much more 🙂❤️
If this would have just been in a separate category than with Ennio Morricone's The Mission....
Hoosiers / The Mission > Round Midnight score.
GREATEST ROBBERY UNTIL THEN...JUST LIKE WHEN IL POSTINO BEAT BRAVEHEART .THE MISSION SHOULD'VE WON!
The biggest robbery in the Oscars, this was for Ennio!!
He didn't deserve to win. He did arrangements but not an original soundtrack. Ennio Morricone was the moral winner. Bette is divine though
Not because I say so;
it is enough read comments to realize the great injustice that the academy has done that year.
Everyone, in the world of music, (especially in the world of soundtracks) knows and openly says that Ennio Morricone should have won the Oscar.
In fact, when the winner was announced, the audience in the hall protested. Ennio Morricone left the room indignant.
But this, of course, you can't see it in the «official» docs. Strange huh?
G.
There is absolutely no comparison or competition between the music of Round Midnight and ANY of the other candidates. As Herbie says, some have suffered and died for this music.. Jazz. We're talking about a whole different level of performance and Art.
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Honestly I think that even Star Trek IV is better than Round Midnight "original" score. Few remember Hanckock music (or should I say Thelonius') , everybody knows The Mission.
While the orchestra music is not a high level of art?
But in any case: is this an award to the best music type?
This is an award to the best original score and round midnight music was half already existing
Oh dear, how embarassing . what a ignorant thing to say
Since April of 1982, it was just one of those things which Herbie Hancock wrote the music of many motifs because there is no absolutely no comparison or competition between the music of every
project and any of the other candidates. As he says, "some have suffered and died for this music.
Because we're talking about a whole different level of performance and art."
90% of the people here criticizing this win haven't seen Round Midnight. Ennio may have deserved it more but put some respect on Herbie's name for God's sakes, the man may well be called a genius. I'm Italian myself so I am sorry for Ennio but there are bigger injustices out there. It was damn time jazz got some recognition.
non stai bene
calmati, guardati round midnight e torna con un po piu di rispetto, e parlo di rispetto in generale, senza insultare gente a caso per un opinione@@vincenzorenda1774
The Mission...
Yep
I wonder about if Bette Midler’s “Aliens” joke at first in this video was just for a pure entertainment.
James Horner said he thought the original score of The Mission was just wonderful and he even voted for it instead of his Aliens. ua-cam.com/video/gHIsCsXTBFM/v-deo.html (46:07-)
This article explains Ennio’s feeling at the 1987 Oscar. It’s from his interview after he won Oscar for “Hateful 8” in 2015.
- Speaking through an interpreter, the maestro, now a lively if craggy 87, isn’t exactly laughing when he says this. You get the impression that he still cares quite a bit. I have read that he was particularly annoyed when his score for The Mission lost to Herbie Hancock’s for Round Midnight, in 1986.
Dark clouds gather around him. “This is true,” he rumbles. “The audience in the theatre shouted when it was announced. They were also disappointed. Herbie Hancock had only 50 per cent original music for the film. The rest was made up of songs arranged by Herbie. It was not fair. Herbie is a great pianist and arranger, but the music was not 100 per cent original. I left the room immediately. I was very cross. The audience kept on shouting.”
www.irishtimes.com/…/ennio-morricone-sergio-leone-a…
Herbie Hancock later played keyboard for Quincy Jones’ version of “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly” theme on an Ennio Morricone tribute album in 2007, “We All Love Ennio Morricone.” (ua-cam.com/video/Zm9XrQc2tzw/v-deo.html)
These two masters seem they really respected each other.
That's cool.
"Herbie Hancock. Good jazz musician, good composer, good pianist. I don't dispute that. But the main character played existing pieces. So the music was half repertoire, and should not have been in the Original Music category." - Ennio Morricone
and here is one the worst thefts in The Academy awards history...
Ennio Morricone should have win this... The Mission is a masterpiece...
It's funny, I always assumed Morricone won for The Mission.
This is Oscar man...if you want to describe in one frame. Disgusting.
Look, you don't like the winners? Deal with it.
Herbie Hancock >>>>>> Ennio morricone
@@jwelch5742 You say that like disagreeing with the winners is a bad thing. People are going to have different opinions about who should and shouldn't have won an Oscar, so get used to it.
Also I think Williams not winning for 'The Empire Strikes Back' and Goldsmith not winning for 'Star Trek - The Motion Picture' are worse outcomes than Morricone not winning for 'The Mission'. Bernstein wasn't even nominated for 'The Great Escape' as another example of how badly wrong the original score award can go.
Even though Michael Gore's score for Fame isn't particularly remembered today, Williams not winning for The Empire Strikes Back doesn't bother me since at least he won for the first film.
I watched this live and let's just say my TV got an ear full.
I do hope she said "I.V." as a joke.
most definitely
She did. No doubt about it.
Herbie Hancock is great. But his work on Round Midnight didn't deserve for Best Original Score, not because it wasn't good, but because the song was excist before since 1944 and so it was NOT ORIGINAL. It was adaptation. For ORIGINAL SCORE, of course Morricone deserved more to win.
Noel Nurtomo herbie’s a genius but you’re right. Most of the score was his arrangements of other composers’ work
Monk and Cooties' Round Midnight wasn't the "Flagship" from the OST, "Chan's Song" was.
And that is an original composition written for the film.
Hancock wisely re-read period piece music throughout the film, in form of standards and ballads etc.
If you examine Hancock's discography you will see he had more than enough of material to use if he wanted to.
The screenplay was France in the late 1950's,
specifically Paris, and a day trip to Lyon, I think.
Without the inclusion of popular jazz standards written by other composers, and famous song writers, the film would not have made sense. That's what Jazz musicians play.
Here’s what I don’t understand:
Dexter Gordon also made the film's soundtrack but only Herbie got nominated. The soundtrack was released in two parts: ‘Round Midnight’ (which Herbie made) and ‘The Other Side of Round Midnight’ (which Dexter made). But why didn’t the two of them work on the same soundtrack, that way Dexter could’ve won as well?
What if Castle in the Sky (Joe Hisaishi) won for Best Score on this ceremony, replacing Round Midnight?
Well, Jack, I have no better comments on this one. Sorry.
Herbie; Feets don't fail me now ~ we had SO much FUN partying to that in the Last days of Disco...easy rude boy...
what a speech!!!
AND THE WINNER IS ENNIO MORRICONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is one of the Academy's most farcical decisions of all time. That winner wasn't even original music, most of it was existing pieces.
What a shame. Ennio Morricone deservd Oscar Price foo more then 25 Scores.
No, he's written thousands of TV and film scores over the course of his longest career in Hollywood history. He earned both Academy Awards, including an honorary award in 2007. And it makes some common sense to listen to.
Ennio was denied year after year after year........with the usual Williams (Spielberg) getting it...
This was one of THE greatest travesties in history of the Academy Awards. And that says a lot.
No question. I've never paid attention to the Oscars since.
@@karlmonet Well, that goes for all of us too!
Herbie Hancock is cool and all, but *this should've went to Ennio Morricone.*
herbie had only one way to make history: go up on stage and declare: Obviously the academy was distracted and wrote my name by mistake, I am honored to personally deliver this award to MAestro Ennio Morricone
I see around alot of debate of who should have won this oscar: I have my opinion, The Mission theme gives me chill EVERY time I listen it. I tried listening "Round Midnight" score: nice but that's it. You might say is because i am not a Jazz music lover, fair enough but i am not even a classic orchestra music lover. Maybe I am wrong? I went then to look for how may views have those 2 soundtracks: Round Midnight ones stays at few tenths of k, while The Mission are in average at hundreds of k, few some at M or 20M: improbable then that 20M people are wrong...
I miss those days when Bette Midler could tear apart the ceremonial pomposity with her bawdy humor. Though I enjoyed her here, she was better at the 1982 Oscars introducing the Best Song category; please upload that one soon!
Excellent bunch of nominees here, but Ennio was robbed here!
Round Midnight however had 50% of the non-original music: half was flour of the sack of musicians such as Cole Porter and Thelonious Monk, while the category provides that they are all new compositions!!! Stolen statue ... :(
The fact that Round midnight and other song which appear in that movie are written by Thelonious Monk and others is true, but Herbie Hancock arranged all the tunes and orchestrated them, where he did a remarkable work.
@@etiennewittich9652 Which does not make that deserving of a nomination, let alone an Oscar for what is supposed to honor an ORIGINAL score. There have been a large number of tin ear highway robberies in the Best Score category down through the decades ("Fame" over ESB, "Love Story" over "Patton") but this was absolute Grand Larceny on an epic scale to not just Ennio Morricone (who should have won) but to the other nominees who were professionals in the realm of composing film music. Instead, the Academy voted for a Jazz name they were more familiar with.
@@epaddon all i was saying was that he did a remarkable job. But yes, others should have won
I think Rosenman was a bit lucky to be nominated that year. I'm not disputing his other nominations in other years, but 'ST - IV: TVH' is not my idea of one of that year's 5 best scores. I think Morricone, or Goldsmith should have won and Horner deserved his nomination for a highly effective score composed under difficult circumstances.
Needless to say, this was his fourth and final Oscar nomination.
Paradossale che vinse una colonna sonora tra l'altro non completamente originale.
ONE OF THE worst choices for best score was the win given to Marvin Hamlisch for The Way WE Were in 1974, the song, THE WAY Were is a wonderful song, but Hamlish should not have received the best score Oscar, only the best SONG. The JERRY GOLDSMITH MASTERPIECE, "PAPILLION," should have received the best score oscar.THIS WAS ONE OF JERRY'S GREATEST SCORES. In 1979 THE Buddy Holly Story winning best score and adaptation for a musical, beating out Quincy Jones for "The Wiz". QUINCY was robbed.The people who make the finale decision are not musicians, this is the problem.The 1974 best score Oscar should have gone to Jerry Goldsmith.
I agree
Dame Vera Lynn in Los Angeles in September 1994: The people who make these final decisions, not
musicians, not anyone. Ever.
For example, Franklin J. Schaffner's adaptation of Henri Charriere's "Papillon" was a powerful
masterpiece. This was one of Jerry Goldsmith's greatest scores during his longest career.
The film adaptation was nominated for an Oscar for Best Achievement in Music - Original
Dramatic Score (Jerry Goldsmith) in 1974.
Released by Allied Artists (1973 -1980); Lorimar Telepictures (1980 - 1989)
and Warner Bros Pictures (1989 - present).
And even Sidney Lumet's adaptation of Baum/Brown's "The Wiz" was one of a kind picture for
everyone to see. Quincy Jones' music adaptation was very good and received
him an 1979 Oscar nomination for his wonderful efforts.
This was a co-production of Motown Productions and Universal-International. Distributed by
Universal Pictures in the US, Canada and other countries throughout the world in
October 24, 1978.
Peter MacGregor - Scott gives some advice for today's filmmakers: "As long as you have these
solutions, the problems may never exist."
Madre mía! Esta decisión es una prueba más que me reafirma en mi idea de que los Oscars no representan nada más que una serie de intereses. Este hombre debería haber ganado varios premios Oscar a lo largo de su carrera, al igual que Hitchcock por mejor director o Cary Grant por mejor actor. Morricone finalmente recibió un Oscar, de los que a veces concede la Academia para compensar, como a Al Pacino por Esencia de Mujer, pero no elimina la injusticia cometida.
The travesty that was The Mission not getting the Oscar. What a joke and sham the Oscars are and have been for a long time. Herbie Hancocks Jazz soundtrack isn't even special
Original score??????
Reading the comments I’m reminded that only in our vaunted age of insipid competition and immature fanboy legions can something as banal as an academy award become a lightening rod for angry fans. This is the kind of mentality we traditionally expect from sports fans. Since when did music become a sport???
This is a bit of nonsense I must say. To suggest that this is related to modern culture (except of course thast this is youtube) is rubbish. The debate about musuc and composers has raged on for several hundred years. This appears to be just a reason to have a dig at modern culture (which I agree is shit)
Hoosiers 😭
What have you done 😊
STAR TREK I V LMAO
Elaine Wilkes in 1994: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home has received Leonard Rosenman's fourth and
final Academy Award nomination for best achievement in music - original score in 1987.
Nothing against Herbie Hancock, a very talented musician, but that year there were far superior film scores. The voters screwed up big time.
He did a lot of film and TV scores since 1966.
Hoosiers was the true winner
Star Treck I V ?!? It meams "4th"!!!!
"Star Trek 4 - The Voyage Home."
Il più grande furto della storia degli Oscar
Star Treck the fourth, not "I.V."...
Saverio Zappacosta She made a joke. You can hear that the audience are laughing
"Star Trek IV." Right?
is that dexter gordon in the audience?!
Yep, he is the star of the movie. He even was nominated that night.
@@guidopolispada2510 That's his only Oscar nomination to date.
The mission is NOT the best. Jazz is the only culture you have
Morricone and Horner were robbed and Howard Shore should have been nominated.
Howard for what?
@@HAL-vm3wn Howard for the fly.
My favorite Howard Shore OST "Copland"
I see shields, stars, brass buttons and blue serge every time I hear it.
@@HAL-vm3wn In Naomi Judd's words on Bill Maher's Emmy nominated
nine-year run of "Politically Incorrect" on WABC 7, when she says "who cares?"
I'll figure it out in a better way, okay? Sometimes used to stress when
everything is not important. The composers can't carry a tune, but who cares?
At least they're having fun writing scores with motifs and that's what really
matters.
Who cares what anybody says? The composers will do it their way and
get it just right.
Terrible choice. Ennio should have won
I'm sorry, but I think of Jazz as more of a soundtrack than a score. If we allow that, then all you need is a bunch of instrumentals to be the film's score than an actual set of themes and motifs. At least Jerry, James, Leonard, and Ennio were doing that.
MichaelAarons1701 well you carry on thinking that but that’s one dumb opinion
Motifs?
"Chan's Song" had at least four different variations in the film.
That was the original composition written for the film.
The Protagonist "Dale Turner" (Gordon) composed it for his on screen teen age daughter "Chan"
Not the Monk and Cootie Williams' Round Midnight.
Herbie is a wonderful musician, and has written some nice tunes, but he is not a film composer, and is not on the same level as Quincy Jones or Jerry Goldsmith as a composer. Look up 1965, "Mirage, " opening scene, by Quincy Jones. This is what a real composer sounds like.
Both composers were doing lots of scores for television and movies since 1957 and they were
Quincy Jones & Jerry Goldsmith. But Herbie Hancock got his start on composing music
for television and movies since 1966.
Not even an original score! What a scam! Morricone left the theater for a good reason!
Just leave him alone. He did his very best for Roland Joffe's The Mission and got an
Oscar nod in 1987. And from now on, he's moving fast forward into new scoring
assignments such as The Untouchables.
One of the biggest theft in the history of the oscars ...
A good 'ol racist joke to start of the awards ceremony. interesting.
That “Alien” joke can’t fly in 2022? Lol
For me, music has never been a joke and it hurts everybody, such as musicians. So looking forward to all kinds of music that fits my moods, wants and needs. For example, James Cameron's 1986 "Aliens" has the
wonderful music score composed by James Horner, who earned the first of many Oscar nominations
between 1987 and 2010. "Aliens" was his finest work as composer for Disney despite post production
problems and everything else. The film's Oscar nominated score simply flew its wings. Released in movie
theaters on October 30, 1986.
This is disgusting! Worse than a murder. You have the most beautiful score out there: THE MISSION and then some shits put together (=it's NOT ORIGINAL SCORE!!!), that even if you argue that it's good or even the same level as Ennio, still it shouldn't be qualified!
My god this is a great example of politics in Oscars: We won't give it to an Italian man cause he doesn't like hollywood - instead, we'll give it to a black fella cause the desperate situation of 80's calls for desperate actions. *puking*
Kryshtof Wow. You are an idiot, aren’t you?
He finally received his oscar to Tarantino's movie but we are so far from Mission.
@@tacitusk7056 Agreed.