How Two Kids Destroyed a $20 Billion Industry | Napster.com
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In 1999, a program called Napster swept the internet with a revolutionary idea: find any song that you want and download it, for free. Despite the legal battles it faced, the program effectively changed the playing field for how media entertainment would be consumed for the next few decades.
And now, physical media is dead. Perhaps Napster is to blame?
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Okay. I won’t.
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I was wholly unprepared for that ad spot
when the sponsor is good for once instead of the youtuber just talking about how good it is
That was the *BEST* UA-cam sponsorship segment ever !
Met the love of my life in a Napster chat, in January 2000, while we waited for our tunes to finish downloading... We barely had time to exchange ICQ numbers before we were dropped because the server died. The chances of getting onto the same server after that were astronomical... So, we were lucky.
Really? How long were you in that chat room for you and her to connect with each other? How did you talk after the chat?
@@Azurethewolf168 Not sure I remember how long we were in the chatroom, that particular time... it wasn't always the same length of time that a server would remain active.
She got an idea of who I was from a conversation I was having with another user... She private-messaged me in chat that she liked the way my mind worked... and we chatted a few minutes and decided to chat some more... which is when we exchanged ICQ numbers, as I had said. ICQ was the period-equivalent to Messenger... we were chatting in ICQ within minutes. She, from New Orleans, and I, from Montreal Canada. Been there many times, same for her... But mostly, the challenges of life have conspired to keep us more than a thousand miles apart, but we still talk almost every day.
Oh man I remember ICQ. I heard that "uh oh!!" notification sound a few months ago and nearly astral projected by a couple decades. 😂
Asl?
@@kriscynical A couple? That's only 2003.
And I just made myself sick.
I think the one of the best finds on a P2P was "Rage Against the Coke Machine" and was an audio file of some guys beating on a soda machine.
That sounds epic.
That’s actually a song, by a band called OPM - it’s like an interlude to another song!
Well something needs to be done. If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing
You don't fight piracy by deprivation.
Well if you buy a theme park ticket you don’t expect to buy the whole park to yourself, does this make it logical to go in the park for free? No, it doesn’t. This is why i never agreed to this statement.
@@Robbie-pc1dlthat doesn't work because what I bought is the ticket not the park. This argument is referring to the fact that you can buy something on an online store, such as music or a game and then when the company you bought it from shuts down then you no longer own it despite paying the same for it as others did on other platforms.
@@RpJesus_1 You wouldn’t download an automobile
@@Robbie-pc1dlthat’s cause you can’t download an automobile…
Piracy isn't stealing if purchasing does not equate to ownership
That part!!!
Piracy isn't stealing. No conditional needed.
Theft of service
Napster wasn't the problem with companies being greedy as shit. Companies have always been and always will be greedy as shit.
Right? This is some victim blaming nonsense. Greed needs to be challenged, we aren't evil for challenging it.
@@0mikr0n time for the RESISTANCE
And the cycle will always continue. A new napster-esk era seems to be coming, but this time for literally every creative field. Gonna be amazing to see.
It's human cycles, to rise to power and get drunk on it, then crumble, history shows us nothing different.
Can you imagine a music label earning 498m instead of 500m because people pirate 😂 We starve those unfortunate millionaires and billionaires. They even make their own news and reports about how they allegedly lose billions to piracy. Meanwhile people who pirate either can't afford it or are proven to be people who will never buy entertainment.
Oh, and some of them offer a terrible experience even when you pay. Everything on Netflix is low bitrate garbage you see the pixels of even on 4k. So you either pay a small fortune for a DVD or... comprise and save 20-140+$.
@@podrumkaleto5042 Uh, are you not aware of tower records? Piracy literally cut music sales in half for a while, which took down tower records and some other big players, then it made a comeback thanks to streaming, but now they seem to be reverting back to their greedy ways and it's gonna bite them in their ass again. It's a loop, ppl don't learn.
Tho I think streaming as a concept is here to stay, the crown is likely to change hands, which will be messy, and beautiful.
Wow that was the sneakiest ad I ever came across in a UA-cam video.
Bro I thought it was a part of the video LOL
My thoughts exactly 😂
@shinigamilord86i think they are reported by users who use it
Squid seems to be _really_ good at doing that. lol
I though it was a youtube ad
Don't forget that the music labels were at roughly the same time getting accusations of price fixing.
aka cartel.
'People felt these bands had too much money already' - what? I certainly never heard anyone say that! The conversation I remember was that the publishers were the only ones profiting from album sales and the performers themselves get most of their money from selling tickets and merch at live performances, so they were shooting themselves in the foot by attacking their fans to protect their abusers!
south park did a whole episode about it and they definitely put the blame on the bands lol “Britney Spears had to downgrade to a gulf stream 3 instead of 4 because of music pirating”
thats basically the same thing to me really
@Januaryof28 ...being rich and being robbed are the same thing to you?
"Don't take away money from artists just like me
How else can I afford another solid gold Humvee?
And diamond studded swimming pools,
These things don't grow on trees!
So all I ask is everybody please"
-- Don't Download This Song, Weird Al Yankovic
(A song that, in true Al fashion, was offered for free on his website)
Exactly
Your life burns faster, Obey your Napster, Napster.
🔥
NAPETER OF PUPPETS IM PULLING YOUR STRINGS
Best comment I've ever seen 💀
At some point, most streaming services will inevitably die. And honestly, I can't wait for it
abstaining from them acellerates the process :) boycott! boycott!
Sooner than most think, AI generated content is getting better by the day, soon when a kid in their basement can create masterpieces, Hollywood will die, and so will most streaming services, new ones will come in tho, to be more of a host, like how youtube does things.
and then something else will come in to ‘save’ the industry, become a huge success, then fall into the same traps streaming did, as did cable and physical media before it. the ouroboros eats its own tail and the cycle repeats. this scenario was inevitable.
I remember Napster when all we had was dial up connections via AOL at superspeed 56k modems. It only took an hour to DL a 5mb file! Thanks for the memories!
And then in the last five minutes something would happen to interrupt the connection and you were screwed. 😂
Yeah, but it was that handshake dial tone that still haunts me to date.
@@dennis1954 It seems to be that tone is either nostalgic in a good way to people or something that haunts them. I've never encountered anybody who had a neutral opinion on it.
I'm in the nostalgic camp because it makes me remember coming home from junior high and connecting in order to talk to my best friend in Mexico who I had met through an eGroups mailing list. I did it every single day for years. We still send lengthy emails back and forth a few times a year, 25 years later.
A 3 minute mp3 took forever.
In the last year I’ve doubled down on owning Blu-ray’s and CD’s. I even bought a bookshelf to display them. It’s so worth it
For CD’s I just rip them with Windows Media player and throw them on my phone. Eventually I’ll build a PlexAmp server.
For Blu-ray’s, I just keep them as is. It’s so nice having the superior video quality, actually physically owning it, and how it looks on my shelf.
10/10 will continue to support!
I love my 4k/Blu/DVD collection. I stopped using steaming services several years ago, and tbh I do pirate sometimes but not because I'm against paying, I just can't always afford to buy something, or don't want to blind buy. But anything I love I eventually buy and delete the torrents. Having a lovely shelf displaying them, the boutique label collectors sets with nice packing and cool booklets and bonus features. And the act of scanning my shelf, grabbing movie, putting it into my player, dimming the light and grabbing my remote makes the experience special and helps me feel connected to the media I'm watching. The only thing that is rough is anime, I love it but the Blu rays cost twice as much on average as 4ks of western media and I just can't justify paying $35 for each season of every shounen I want to watch, so I unfortunately pirate a lot of anime unless I find good deals on them. I wish Blu ray was region free like 4k because I would swarm yahoo auctions Japan but alas, they aren't. And very little anime comes to 4k, but when it does you bet I grab it. Akira never looked so good, or sounded so good
That was the BEST sponsorship segment I've ever seen in a long time!
Oh boy
I didn't even know it _was_ an advertisement until I watched the whole thing
Id rather it be very clear that I'm watching an ad or sponsored content. I don't want the line between content and advertisement to be blurred. That's a scary thought.
honestly as the title says, it's crazy on how kids have gained so much knowledge that some can even prove how vulnerable/insecure an site can be
Ya I'm sorry but Napster nor any p2p download in the 90s or early 2000s was "instant" we were on a dial up connection bro 😂
instant if it was compressed to hell :P
@@Pwnz0rServer2009that’s for sure. Either sit for hours to get a two minute song wait a minute for a crunchy low quality song.
That feeling of joy when you saw that your download was in the 90%s and would be finishing soon.
Piracy doesn’t exist anymore, you can’t pirate something they won’t let you buy in the first place
EDIT
To clarify, Can you pirate something you are not allowed to own? Is it stealing if the publishers give you no way to own a copy of digital content? You cannot steal something if it cant be bought and having an exact replica doesn't degrade the value of the original product.
Then how come i pirate the latest disney films and the latest songs and the latest games...?
@@n.park1 You can still do the piracy things like the past 20 years but the mainstream had gone into streaming and SaaS, no consumer "owns" any copy of media.
bro i can pirate music with audacity- just use an ad blocker go to youtube and record the sound on your pc then hit play and boom you got as much as you wanna label. just like before the internet you can always just record the thing. they can really only do stuff like this with copyright destroy that which doesnt even break the law. cause the law is just an inelegant code/ one which purpose is to protect industry.napsters only crime was cutting out that parasyte so it died. artists and fans were never the goals of these laws, as copyright only protects you if youre big enough to swing money around. thatss by design. thats why fangames get struck down by nintendo- they make the argument that making fangames even free ones cuts into their market potential. and ive never seen evidence that it does. sega even swung their fangame into an official one on the same console. so that lie is just there because they didnt publish it by signing a one sided parasitical deal. its the same in all art related industries. its not a real product its an art peice so the market value is as inflated as diamonds. its fake high fashion. and you can spot the bought by who was attacking napster and who was making fun of those people. lets take a look oh metalica led by lars ulrich a lil self important rat who isnt as good or responcible as his peers in the band, and is documented to have to work with these ego problems with people who desperately want to work more smoothly. then you got dave grohl mocking them for siding against napster, cause they made their name on kids bootlegging their lives with tape recorders and spreading it through the streets. you couldnt play an easier game of spot the bootlicker if it was literally a picture of somoene licking a boot.
@@n.park1 💥📢🚨💥📢🚨💥📢🚨💥📢🚨
50/50 chance that all physical media is eventually going to be automatically labelled as contraband. Making a mark on one thing with another thing will be a crime since you're statistically probably about to infringe on copyright.
Napster actually became rhapsody after its demise, and all of the music we used to have downloaded to napster was all lost when rhapsody would no longer let us upload our own music before they started building their own library and then started a subscription model. They then became a mobile and desktop app, and one day on my phone the rhapsody icon was replaced with the Napster logo again! I was so excited to see Napster was back, and i used it for years even when they started to raise the price on their subsciptions until i couldnt pay for it anymore. I really miss the old Napster because I was able to just download music to my MP3 player and carry it with me. So much music was lost in the Napster fall, and there are so many songs that are unidentified that if Napster had stayed up, we might know what some of them were. A huge loss for media
I was obviously an outlier regarding Napster. I loved it because I could find music I could not find anywhere, music that hadn't been released onto CDs. If you couldn't find an old LP you were screwed.
Classical, Jazz, Blues.. it was wonderful. But now there are no options, yet again, to find music that has not been released onto CD.
Plenty of options, you just haven't looked for them yet.
I did that with film scores and soundtracks that were out of print. Even back then I tried to legitimately buy physical media whenever I could, and only turned to Napster/Kazaa/BitTorrent when all of the legal avenues were exhausted.
UA-cam music is great for finding music like that
@@flibbityjibbitythe tradeoff is that its youtube music
@@twotruckslyrics good point, it's buggy as hell
I’ve been buying second hand physical media since my dad started taking me to the record store in 1980. 👵🏻 This weekend I spent $65 on 20 used DVDs and BluRays. I don’t have an aversion to piracy or paying for streaming, either. I love the ease of streaming, but you bet your ass all of my movies and CDs are ripped to a HDD and in storage.
the ease of streaming has stings attached though as the company takes yourlmoney and spends it to squash your freedoms to download.
@@LethalBubbles Until they take away VPNs, there will be no squashing.
obligatory "if purchasing isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" comment
One correction: in the 90s, everyone was listening to CDs or cassette tapes if you were the rare person who couldn't afford a CD player. Vinyl was something your parents or grandparents used to listen to. Almost no one had a record player. In fact, even Garfield and Friends, a Saturday morning cartoon show, made fun of it at the time with an episode where Jon was trying to get his record player repaired, but no one knew what a record player was.
Let's collapse the streaming industry 💪
When you turn your head just right so only the hair of the people on the paintings behind you is above you, their hair makes it look like you have fluffy animal ears.
25 years later, I still have my song files downloaded from Napster. 17 years later, I have to "pirate" songs I bought off of Apple because I never owned them in the first place.
Napster was entirely progressive, it's capitalism that is regressive.
Capitalism is progressive. Copyright law is regressive.
Blame capitalism, typical internet.
*authoritarian government
Fixed it for ya
Great video essay! I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, so I remember Napster well. So much of my catalog was obtained through them. I have been very frustrated lately when trying to find old movies I love to watch. I hope someone comes up with a genus, and inexpensive, way around that problem soon.
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We don't believe in lost media on the high seas
Ah yes, Sex and Candy by Nirvana. My favorite song on the wise and glorious Napster.
MMMBop by Handsome too, a classic.
every single parody song was by Weird Al even when it wasn't.
While I still love having normal libraries to access specific things I want to borrow, I love the new phenomenon of free libraries, not just because it's this much more warm, communal form of sharing information and entertainment, but because it potentially introduces you to things you may never have known about otherwise. Right now, I'm reading a book about sustainable fashion, and after that, I have a book about Amish culture, both of which I got at a free library. I even put a book of my own co-creation in there, and someone borrowed it.
I remember pre Napster when MP3s were starting to become a thing using FTP servers to download stuff. Those were the times.
I love your videos and really like to listen to them while working as I don't need to fully focus sometimes. They really feel comforting and I LOVE the old internet stuff you talk about.
i used to live in a town that had a free library set up like the free blockbuster ones. also we had a redbox at a local gas station.
Physical media will prevail guys! We should stop giving these corporations their money and unsubscribe from their streaming services so that they will listen!
their money!? it's your money!
Having the data doesn't require physical media 🤦♀️
Bro's taking a note from Comment Etiquette for this video's ad
3:38 Because everyone in the Napster era was clammering to download The Shaggs tracks, lol. Well played
Making that ad was probably more expensive than the rest of the video 😄.
Help, I downloaded Ride The Lightning and Lars is inside my house. Send HELP!
What I remember from those days was the Metallica/Napster cartoon made in Flash. Man, it was hilarious... look it up! Maybe it's still around. =)
we are full circle of people torrenting because nobody likes the current platforms.
i would be okay paying the high cost of streaming, if it had enough content that i want to watch. seems 90% of the time its "we dont have the rights to play it" and you must subscribe somewhere else.
waiting for the next "napster" to come along to help change this paradigm
Who else remembers starting to download files from Napster before school so they would be downloaded when you got back from school.
2:29 wow!! Jon Hamm is an amazing ventriloquist
Ah yes my favorite 90s hit MMMbop by Handsome
to circumvent the napster copyright that was added on before the takedown you would change the artists' letters around. an example would be shakira would be sharika so i assume hanson would be handsome.
I'm too young to have ever used Napster, but I did use Limewire quite a lot, and there were lots of funny mistakes with song titles there like "Don't Worry, Be Happy - Bob Marley". 😂
This is why I still get bluray and dvds. I recently got a bluray player for $5 and I got my library card going, basically just renting DVDs like back in the day again and purchasing the ones I really care about.
It's funny that things like Spotify and Apple Music were created to stop piracy but there are third party apps and websites created to pirate music from them.
Same thing with movie streaming and video games.
1:16 the best way to do a sponser
If Jon Hamm didn't agree though, couldn't he or the company get sued for using him in an ad?
Been watching your videos for almost 3 years now! I love your content and get so excited whenever there's a new video. My parents had Lime Wire back when I was a little girl and even taught me how to use it, I would LOVE if you did a video on it! Also you are such a handsome man, I'm glad you started showing your face in videos more! Cheers!
I hate that I just can’t buy physical media. Especially here in Australia. Disney no longer makes any of its movies since guardians of the galaxy 3 available. I now have to resort to buying from the UK to keep collecting series like Dr Who. All while paying ridiculous streaming fees on at least two platforms just to keep up with shows I’d like to watch.
I have never paid for a music streaming service and I never will. When I was 15, I found a way to get any song I want for free without using any shady software. Because of people like me, there will always be folks pirating music especially now with all the discontent with streaming services.
Streaming services are now finding every way to stick ads in, unless you are willing to pay even more money :(
They pulled the classic Uno Reverse just took a long time with their turn.
Avast ye scurvy dawgs, prepare to be pirated
Man you're looking good today. Idk what it is the beard lighting and slight sheen to your face looks great. Keep doing what you're doing ❤
Why thank you! Funny you mention that because I thought the exact opposite!
I was under the weather when I filmed this, so I thought I was going to have to reshoot it. 😆
@@nationsquid ❤️
Also in Mario oddessy I saw one of the characters said about piracy 🏴☠️ and I was like CODE RED
*Oddysey
Great video! I actually wrote a paper about this exact topic last semester!
At the end of the day it is all about greed. People are greedy, that is why they will never allow us to own it.
this. People will always blame the tools instead of the intent.
this is such a coincidence 😭 i was looking deep into napster 3 hours ago
Ive been putting all my music onto discs and cassettes. When i built my gaming pc i paid so much just to have an optical drive in my case
Home video isn't all that rare, actually. Most physical gereral retail stores tend to have a pretty good selection of DVDs and Blu Rays, sometimes even under $5. I buy them all the time because I want to actually own what I pay for.
Villages in Scotland have been using old Telephone boxes as libraries and video / dvd swap shops for well over a decade.
Forget the iPod. What about the Creative ZEN Mp3 player, which Apple stole the idea and patent from
That was the best ad EVER nationsquid I fuckin love how creative you are
That's really hilarious that seeing Free Blockbuster just like BookCrossing but for Video Discs
Wealth, fame, power, one man, Gol D. Nabster, obtained everything this world has to offer...
iTunes.
It's iTunes' fault.
iTunes added the DRM.
iTunes doesn't have DRM. it gives you access to straight up mp3 files.
iTunes never had DRM. Not having DRM was literally one of the selling points of iTunes over other digital music stores.
ITunes doesn't have DRM, when you buy a song it gives you the m4a to keep forever
bro is purposefully spreading misinformation over the internet
@@Bomkzall your personal info is inside these music files and if you don’t remove them and share them with someone then it wouldn’t play (on iPods)
I remember my first encounter with Napster back in ‘99. My brother was messing around with it on his PC and even eleven year old me knew something was going to change the scope of we interact with music.
Today, we got UA-cam and VEVO. When you buy a vinyl, 8-track, cassette, compact disc, reel to reel, VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, BLU-RAY. You own the disc, cartridge or reel and even the container it came in but when it comes to the actual recorded content, either audio or video, the only thing you bought was the right to see it in your own home for personal use hense charging admission to see Titanic in your home theater mimicked to look like a scaled down version of the real deal is considered illigal. Loaning the movie or album to a friend? You also are transferring the right for private use. The album/movie is still the rightful property of the studio.
Bro your retro adverts are SOOOO COOOOOOL!
Reminder that lots of old culturally significant films are going missing, and the shareholders with all the power have clearly said that they're cool with that. Understand that they don't care about what gets preserved for future generations; they care only about Q3 profits.
16:55 Recuperation of Capital is not counterculture becoming mainstream. It''s appropriation by the ruling class. Cool video besides, though. :)
Great channel. I've only just found it. I even like watching your ads.
Video streaming is one of the best things to happen to piracy because it gives a very convenient high-quality source for sharing, as long as the uploader has an active subscription (the streaming service still gets theirs; you actually "rent" a decryption key to watch the encrypted videos).
My favorite Napster memory will always be every single remotely humorous song being attributed to Weird Al or Doctor Demento.
subscribed, looking forward to the limewire video
Nice made ring adv! I really enjoyed look at it without skipping
this channel never misses
I hope you do one for Limewire because I remember Limewire more than Napster and yeah by 2010 Limewire just met it's Demise!
Best sponsor ad EVER
holy shit that ad
downloading music off of napster and limewire had me get albums i liked. If i downloaded it and liked the CD, I could buy the tape for my car
that was one of the best ads i’ve ever seen on youtube 😭
Napster and Limewire saved me a lot of money.
Internet police, dont arrest me 😅
I actually really liked the ad segment, reminded me a lot of when dilbert interacts with the garbage man in dilbert
"If you ain't bein' bootlegged... you ain't happenin'..."
Ghost fight plays
The ad was definitely worth the watch
Napster was great, except it took hours to download one song.
And now, spotify copied it and the users do not know they are part of the whole thing, uploading huge amounts of data for other customers to download from... ironic
The difference is the user has to pay for it.
A funny aside; the reason radio stations talk over the intro or outro is spesifically to 'ruin' recording off the radio.
Not only media, you can't get physical copies of software anymore.
Man, this takes me back. "Napster BAD!"
I'm always going to pirate no matter what
Mad Men+ Advertisement 🔥
You really had to do this 😏🤣😁💝
That scene from the 60s actually happened. Squid is Sir Paul McCartney
Just wanted to mention while most of the songs on Napster were 128kb/s bitrates you COULD get cd quality songs. It was just harder as the files were much larger and not worth downloading on 56k
early enough that there was no thumbnail :D
I like the high production quality but i'm sad it was on a sponsor and nothing else
I mean Apple had basically all the weight in the negotiations with the music industry too, They had the iPod coming out and I can imagine even if not directly saying it that Steve Jobs basically told the execs and bands that "We are launching iPod, Its a portable digital music player and you can sign on with iTunes and make money or not because our users will fill this thing one way or another".
iTunes even had DRM when it launched just to sate the music industry, It no longer has DRM due to the advent of DRM-Free competitors in the early 2010s I believe. So for lots of people now due to how long ago it was, iTunes has never had DRM.
Thanks!!
I always forget this channel's name is Nation squid. I always read it as nation squad.
so here for the comeback of physical media 🤘