They need to just redo her moveset entirely by this point. She's been bottom 5 for 20 years across 5 smash games. Like I love playing her but it's really time to move on.
3:09 THEY GAVE KIRBY ACCURATE DOWN TILT YOOO! Kirby's current Down Tilt is very satisfying but it's so strange that the real one isn't used so kirby's up special can turn into kirby throwing themself as if they are the cutter blade? interesting yeah why can't samus crawl in a ball like that in official games lol hilarious, they just gave ganon mario's side special lol fast ganon up tilt looks sick ngl
samus can crawl in a ball! crawling is an option some characters (including samus) have, where you press down to crouch and then roll the stick forward or backward. samus specifically does roll up and even has a crouch attack (zss doesn't go into the ball though)
@@AverageBrawlEnjoyer oh ok. that makes more sense than ground stone i guess, even if i liked the angle that ground stone launched at when hit. plus it preserves crurent down tilt
im gonna be honest i still absolutely love playing samus in project plus. she feels great to play especially with stuff like the new ice related attacks (kinda wish i could use normal down tilt with the ice versions of fair and upsmash tho). luigi on the other hand feels like absolute ass to play and i have no idea how he got through playtesting i hope to god he gets a moveset rework like how they did to lucas or wario because god bro desperately needs it
This is exactly how I feel Luigi is in this game, honestly I think all the low tiers(except snake) need changes but Luigi is by far who I think needs the most
@@Doctor.R_LP, both of you are wrong. Luigi doesn't need a rework. Luigi is exactly what they want him to be. Luigi was a mediocre character at the end of PM then in the move to P+ they nerfed him. This wasn't a mistake they intentionally said screw Luigi players and it's our game so we can do whatever we want. I even brought this up with Lunchables and he said he thought it was funny when it was happening although he didn't do it himself if I remember correctly. So no we don't need a Luigi rework we need vindictive asshole changes to be undone.
What’s wrong with Luigi (other than being underpowered I guess)? He’s super fun and feels great imo, just how I imagined an improved version of Melee Luigi to be and Melee Luigi is the only cool official version of the character to begin with. The only improvement I can think of is maybe give him a tether grab for recovery/mixups.
Finally some Zelda love. 100% underrated. Only has a few bad match ups and is a nasty learning curve for even the best players, kinda like DK. I like the P+ content the most out of your videos. Make a Rivals 2 video soon.
10:53 Yoshi does NOT have the ability to parry in p+. In fact, his shield is essentially normal in almost every way except for the fact it doesn't deplete. His recovery, while hard to learn, isn't *as* exploitable as you may initially believe. Eggs having a lot of priority in this game let's him cover his landings (PLEASE look at Shiny Zubat recovering), b reverse/wave bounce neutral special w/ his drift is insane, and his side b gives him a bounce up a wall if he hits it. He's quite the slippery fuck.
Most honestly, this game will never have the player base to support as much character growth as Melee has had over the years, the community is just too small and not enough god level players to show the full potential of the characters/the game in general.
@@PSIclops_ not really according to the smash wiki he plays Meta Knight, Marth, Roy, and Toon Link. Meta Knight is still the best character between both versions, Marth and Roy both rose between M and P+, only Toon Link kind of fell off in the tier list
I hate snake from a competitive and casual perspective, but i really like the dpad movement for snake. It gives him much more then a wierd tech chase down throw and alternate throws that do not remember.
Probably because they require more work to use than others When tiers aren’t exclusively about viability, they can easily be about skill floors (higher skill floors (ie harder to reach competent skills) make a character lower tier)
Part of me feels like Yoshi is only as low as he is in Project M/Plus throughout the decade because he doesn't have an aMSa tier player to push him as far as he can go like in Melee. Especially because PM Yoshi is basically a mix of 64/Melee Yoshi with Brawl Yoshi's up b and specials. Also lmao at Ganon for being shit tier even in the game that reverts him to Melee form and gives him the float that fans clamor for.
Super Smash Flash 2 next?
Unironically the best smash game. Great roster, great mechanics, and BY FAR the best menu theme.
@ Word 🙂↕️
Yes
~ @@jesuspernia8031, the guy that never played a smash game
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Don’t blame me that every other smash game is mid in comparison
Even in mods, Zelda can't escape the low tier
lol
They need to just redo her moveset entirely by this point. She's been bottom 5 for 20 years across 5 smash games. Like I love playing her but it's really time to move on.
@imbatrossthescrub2096 In Brawl, she's mid-tier.
@ She's bottom 3 in there
@ She’s bottom 2.
3:09 THEY GAVE KIRBY ACCURATE DOWN TILT YOOO! Kirby's current Down Tilt is very satisfying but it's so strange that the real one isn't used
so kirby's up special can turn into kirby throwing themself as if they are the cutter blade? interesting
yeah why can't samus crawl in a ball like that in official games lol
hilarious, they just gave ganon mario's side special lol
fast ganon up tilt looks sick ngl
samus can crawl in a ball! crawling is an option some characters (including samus) have, where you press down to crouch and then roll the stick forward or backward. samus specifically does roll up and even has a crouch attack (zss doesn't go into the ball though)
...that's grounded down special
@@AverageBrawlEnjoyer oh ok. that makes more sense than ground stone i guess, even if i liked the angle that ground stone launched at when hit. plus it preserves crurent down tilt
This content is very honest I must say
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im gonna be honest i still absolutely love playing samus in project plus. she feels great to play especially with stuff like the new ice related attacks (kinda wish i could use normal down tilt with the ice versions of fair and upsmash tho).
luigi on the other hand feels like absolute ass to play and i have no idea how he got through playtesting i hope to god he gets a moveset rework like how they did to lucas or wario because god bro desperately needs it
This is exactly how I feel Luigi is in this game, honestly I think all the low tiers(except snake) need changes but Luigi is by far who I think needs the most
@@Doctor.R_LP, both of you are wrong. Luigi doesn't need a rework. Luigi is exactly what they want him to be. Luigi was a mediocre character at the end of PM then in the move to P+ they nerfed him. This wasn't a mistake they intentionally said screw Luigi players and it's our game so we can do whatever we want. I even brought this up with Lunchables and he said he thought it was funny when it was happening although he didn't do it himself if I remember correctly. So no we don't need a Luigi rework we need vindictive asshole changes to be undone.
What’s wrong with Luigi (other than being underpowered I guess)? He’s super fun and feels great imo, just how I imagined an improved version of Melee Luigi to be and Melee Luigi is the only cool official version of the character to begin with. The only improvement I can think of is maybe give him a tether grab for recovery/mixups.
@@surfingraichu7594 giving him his frame 3 nair back would be a huge buff
For real though.
Project Plus low tiers are tougher than any official Smash game low tiers.
hey! that's my tournament at the nine minute mark!
As said multiple times... "P+ KIRBY UNDERRATED, FAST FALLERS TERMINATED." - Oliver "AX" Moreira
YOOOO IM IN AN HONEST CONTENT VIDEO
this was so honest that Pinocchio's nose shrunk
Finally some Zelda love. 100% underrated. Only has a few bad match ups and is a nasty learning curve for even the best players, kinda like DK. I like the P+ content the most out of your videos. Make a Rivals 2 video soon.
10:53 Yoshi does NOT have the ability to parry in p+. In fact, his shield is essentially normal in almost every way except for the fact it doesn't deplete.
His recovery, while hard to learn, isn't *as* exploitable as you may initially believe. Eggs having a lot of priority in this game let's him cover his landings (PLEASE look at Shiny Zubat recovering), b reverse/wave bounce neutral special w/ his drift is insane, and his side b gives him a bounce up a wall if he hits it. He's quite the slippery fuck.
There’s a luigi in the New England/CT scene who humbled the snot out of me, so much fun
tbh i dont think yoshi is bad. its just that no one plays the character. that could be said with some other characters too.
Most honestly, this game will never have the player base to support as much character growth as Melee has had over the years, the community is just too small and not enough god level players to show the full potential of the characters/the game in general.
Shiny Zubat won undertow very recently as well as a tournament with SIP mastah in it. I see Yoshi moving up soon
LUIGI 😢
Also, I will look forward to his ranking across the series
Do you think that the big 4 chacters in project m 3.0 like mewtwo pit diddy Kong and Lucas are all better than melee fox
The main dev of Project + (Lunchables) has major beef with Snake, which is why he was nerfed so hard from PM to P+
I'm so sick in the head I thought you said lunchly 😭
To be fair both of lunchmans mains also dropped off super hard between pm and p+
OFC LUNCHABLES IS THE PROJECT LEAD!! 😂
@@PSIclops_ not really according to the smash wiki he plays Meta Knight, Marth, Roy, and Toon Link. Meta Knight is still the best character between both versions, Marth and Roy both rose between M and P+, only Toon Link kind of fell off in the tier list
Who told you he is the lead dev of P+? That is not true in any way whatsoever you can literally look at the fucking documentation that he isn’t
I hate snake from a competitive and casual perspective, but i really like the dpad movement for snake. It gives him much more then a wierd tech chase down throw and alternate throws that do not remember.
If the Meta game is extremely balanced to where anyone can reach high level, then why are C and D tiers even there then?
Probably because they require more work to use than others
When tiers aren’t exclusively about viability, they can easily be about skill floors (higher skill floors (ie harder to reach competent skills) make a character lower tier)
I think Yoshi lost his parry ability in this game
Puff definitely the worst character rest is so difficult to hit, and characters have actual approaching options in this game lol
He's very honest with the smash content.
Part of me feels like Yoshi is only as low as he is in Project M/Plus throughout the decade because he doesn't have an aMSa tier player to push him as far as he can go like in Melee. Especially because PM Yoshi is basically a mix of 64/Melee Yoshi with Brawl Yoshi's up b and specials.
Also lmao at Ganon for being shit tier even in the game that reverts him to Melee form and gives him the float that fans clamor for.
C tier is low? I thought it was lower mid?
I much prefer P+'s balancing of making everyone viable to ultimates way of making everyone viable
What's the song at the beginning of the video
I would easily say it ties in to n64 and ultimate
I rather have this than whatever ultimate devs believed was a balanced game.
omg p+ content PEAK!!!
More hdr videos?
Why on earth this Mod despises Luigi?
Snake is a low tier in p+? What universe are we living in?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
I'd like to say "one without cheese" because he doesn't have his Brawl side-B projectile, but that's not completely true..
16:08 This isn't true, and one of the main reasons Luigi is a bottom tier
go Luigi
Is this on PC?
Yes, you only need the ROM of the smash brawl
@RedSkin666 yeah chance I find one that works is not gonna happen lmao
Love the vids
Yoshi
Dedede gang rise up :)
Nooo i love puff!!!
Link is still somehow a trash tier character...just wtf
Link is high tier and regularly placing top 3 at majors. 😊
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