The raw guide on stats would be trying to use gear with mastery, but with the stat budget of each piece lean towards crit and haste. One prob with sims for bm is they don’t normally suggest haste beyond 20%. While it is correct in simulation where everything has no delay, haste helps with human reaction delay as well as gcd turnover in maintaining frenzy buff, not to mentioned reduce overall abilities cd. As of gear available to us now (take it with pinch of salt as I’m only 440) if you are exceeding 40% crit, or 30% haste, or 55% mastery, at least one of your other non vers stats must be low and high in value (as in, increasing it should yield more dps value when leveraging from your top stats in terms of rating). I try to keep my crit above 30-33%, then at least 20% haste, with rest of em into mastery, remaining crit haste stats would be bonus. But anything lower than the above stats and I suspect you will start feeling the dps differences based on years of sucking in this spec lol. Hope it helps.
in moment i have 34 29 51 on lvl 339 cause its sims best like this, but from feeling i would make more crit and reduce haste lil bit cause 29 percent feels to high.
@@Mio11133 Ah yes, feelycraft away, my BM huntard friend. Don't trust actual math or anything. 29% haste is indeed oh so very much, seeing as you have so many other things to think of while playing BM hunter...like what's for dinner, whether you left the tap running or what cute little pet you wanna tame next. I get it, it's rough.
on a BM note - can someone please explain what's the class fantasy behind survival vs BM? I thought BM was supposed to be class made after Rexxar - close combat with pets, but the close combat was for some reason moved to survival
Rexxar was mostly a melee, is fantasy is just mastery of the beasts. Training animals to harm your foes, survival is mostly having one animal companion where you both are attacking the target together. I have mastiffs and rottweilers so maybe that helps me understand it.
AOE opener is not right. You won’t have enough time to cast wailing arrow and maintain 3 stacks of frenzy. Typically it is best to use wailing arrow right after a barb shot to allow time
I've been playing BM since I started WoW in Cata. But this is the first year I've tried to go beyond just LFR and heroic dungeons and step into M+. And while fun, lately it seems that my pets like to go attack stuff that either I haven't targeted or just randomly for whatever reason. Is this the AI for the pet being stupid or something I could be doing, and what's the fix for it? I've done accidental pulls and I *really* am getting annoyed by it, enough that I might stop trying more M+ :(
@@MarcelianOnline How do you handle pets randomly going after mobs when not attacking/targeting though? Or is it just mine that like to bug out like that?
@@twiztedsynz have your pet on passive and only tell him to attack through having /petattack bound into your buttons and (for me I only have it bound to kill command). And make sure you have /petpassive /petfollow (you can make that one macro i have it as 2 different ones) bound to a good bind. Mouse wheel down/shift mouse wheel down to tell your pet to heel/stop attacking when you want is very important for pvp and pve
In general when I learn a new class or spec, I do pretty much the things we mention in this video: we check the stats, gear, enchants etc, correct talents, learn the opener and rotation. If the dps is low for your gear, you can check the difference in your cast sequence against higher parsing people of the same spec on warcraftlogs! And don't forget to sim! This will also make a summary of best hitting spells in a simulation!
Dose anyone have a definitive answer on if crit or mastery is better or a base line to shoot for with the three main stats I’ve been singing but I do more damage when I use other gear then what is highest sun gear
All the dungeons! Your group comp also matters and how the tank pulls, if the packs are big enough 😏 or if your tank chain pulls, allowing you to keep your Frenzy up!
Love to see you play it with only 2 buttons. You ain't topping no meters that way. It's funny because 80%+ of BM hunters can't keep frenzy uptime at 90%+
@@clivesmith1816 ...to be fair, BM hunter is the spec with easily the biggest segment of its players being complete drooling idiots. 80% of BM hunters probably only do LFR and collect pets and shit. With that said, BM hunter is more than 2 buttons (as is literally every spec ever that is called an "X-button spec", 'cause NO SHIT, it's deliberate exaggeration) and keeping up Frenzy is...not the most complex thing in the game, but it certainly is annoying, so if you wanna take credit for your beloved spec having something really annoying about it, then sure, we'll give you that.
I found BM performs best with a good tank who is chain pulling. Keeping frenzy at 3 stacks rather than having to bring it up again is super valuable. In neltharius I was cranking with a good tank
While BM is not the highest dps out there, it is decent still, and if played right, you can do some big dam dam both in dungeons and in raids. And yes, your group matters, as does the tank, the pack size, chain pulls, keeping up your Frenzy, and your pets not bugging out!
I play BM and love it. BUT it's not wrecking meters compared to a lot of classes. My last key, a 22 underrot had a rogue and demo warlock that I was well behind. Still love the class and it's my main. The new buff should help this reset
It’s getting buffs next weeks reset but I still don’t think it will be quite enough to compare with MM and Surv. History of BM blizzard sees the bow from Raz as an issue since dps felt bad without it and great with it but it was too hard for some to get so they buff the BM class and nerf the bow. Feels great for a week then they scale back the buffs, and then add them to the season 2 tier set…. This is the problem is that to be as good as a BM hunter from season one that had the Raz bow pre nerf you need the new 4 piece. Which in turn makes it feel worse since you are not really gaining power but just getting back to where it was. I’ll give it a shot with the reset but been playing survival in keys and swapping between surv and MM in raid. Survival is just so fun this season and the damage I feel is better than any other hunter class currently.
@@MarcelianOnline sorry fire mage is the only one below them in heroic and mythic raid at the moment. (I love BM played it a lot it just feels like poop right now)
www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-funner-and-funnest-real-words-usage feel free to scroll down to the last paragraph for the conclusion. Also, I'm not sure if you meant to write Boeing or if it was a typo 😆 either way, I enjoy BM, it's not boring for me, I love the mobility, utility and everything else, sooo idk man, based opinion xD
@@bsmurf3 You're right, first-person shooters require actual innate skill and a shit lot of practice (and some luck) to get to the "end game" of, while in RPGs, you can leapfrog a lot of it by...watching guides and following itemization and macros and a lot of other shit to bridge the gap. What was your point again, if you even had one to begin with...?
Says how to use things, shows things absolutely not associated with the narration. Sorry, I do not need to watch you play while you explain something completely different. I do not need Netflix, I need Khan Academy.
@@michaelayd5314 Most Bm hunters and when i say most i mean a decent 80% got no clue how to maximise focus managament and from what i have seen literally in my 21-22 keys whenever another bm joins the group he is focus starved , loosing frenzy stacks, not having 99% cleave uptime and so on. BM is not as easy as some might think when it comes to min maxing, Sure everyone can press an easy rotation but when it comes to overall it matter how you do that do squeeze whatever you can out of your class. Plus just think that BM has uncapped AOE and Bm hunter is the ONLY class in the game that can have 100% uptime on it's target as it requires zero casting !
The raw guide on stats would be trying to use gear with mastery, but with the stat budget of each piece lean towards crit and haste. One prob with sims for bm is they don’t normally suggest haste beyond 20%. While it is correct in simulation where everything has no delay, haste helps with human reaction delay as well as gcd turnover in maintaining frenzy buff, not to mentioned reduce overall abilities cd. As of gear available to us now (take it with pinch of salt as I’m only 440) if you are exceeding 40% crit, or 30% haste, or 55% mastery, at least one of your other non vers stats must be low and high in value (as in, increasing it should yield more dps value when leveraging from your top stats in terms of rating). I try to keep my crit above 30-33%, then at least 20% haste, with rest of em into mastery, remaining crit haste stats would be bonus. But anything lower than the above stats and I suspect you will start feeling the dps differences based on years of sucking in this spec lol. Hope it helps.
in moment i have 34 29 51 on lvl 339 cause its sims best like this, but from feeling i would make more crit and reduce haste lil bit cause 29 percent feels to high.
@@Mio11133 Ah yes, feelycraft away, my BM huntard friend. Don't trust actual math or anything. 29% haste is indeed oh so very much, seeing as you have so many other things to think of while playing BM hunter...like what's for dinner, whether you left the tap running or what cute little pet you wanna tame next. I get it, it's rough.
@@Frawt what a cynical twattish comment
When I'm not playin my Feral, I'm playing either Arcane Mage or BM. Great video! Thanks!
Nice! Enjoy!
The moment with the seagull broke me. LMAO
Stop the cap - what meters?
on a BM note - can someone please explain what's the class fantasy behind survival vs BM? I thought BM was supposed to be class made after Rexxar - close combat with pets, but the close combat was for some reason moved to survival
Rexxar was mostly a melee, is fantasy is just mastery of the beasts. Training animals to harm your foes, survival is mostly having one animal companion where you both are attacking the target together. I have mastiffs and rottweilers so maybe that helps me understand it.
@@BigLlam 😂
NPCs are usually masters of all specs, Varian used a two hander, dual wield, and a shield as a warrior :D
@@MarcelianOnline well yeah. The decision to make BM ranged was always weird for me though
@MarcelianOnline and then we have anduin who has been portrayed as 3 or 4 classes priest, paladin, death knight, and most debatabley warrior
Hey! Is this still the leading rotation for BM?
should be 👍
Great video! would be cool to have more guides for other classes and specs.
We're working on it!
Amazing video
Where can we find the beast cleave WA? Thanks
Oh here's the BM love I've missed!
AOE opener is not right. You won’t have enough time to cast wailing arrow and maintain 3 stacks of frenzy. Typically it is best to use wailing arrow right after a barb shot to allow time
I've been playing BM since I started WoW in Cata. But this is the first year I've tried to go beyond just LFR and heroic dungeons and step into M+. And while fun, lately it seems that my pets like to go attack stuff that either I haven't targeted or just randomly for whatever reason. Is this the AI for the pet being stupid or something I could be doing, and what's the fix for it? I've done accidental pulls and I *really* am getting annoyed by it, enough that I might stop trying more M+ :(
What I like to do is macro the pet abilities into my attack macros so that the pets always attack what I attack, even if I swap target
@@MarcelianOnline How do you handle pets randomly going after mobs when not attacking/targeting though? Or is it just mine that like to bug out like that?
@@twiztedsynz have your pet on passive and only tell him to attack through having /petattack bound into your buttons and (for me I only have it bound to kill command). And make sure you have /petpassive /petfollow (you can make that one macro i have it as 2 different ones) bound to a good bind. Mouse wheel down/shift mouse wheel down to tell your pet to heel/stop attacking when you want is very important for pvp and pve
nice video! i used to main bm but been playing and learning MM, is there any other good but easier to play and learn dps you would recommend
In general when I learn a new class or spec, I do pretty much the things we mention in this video: we check the stats, gear, enchants etc, correct talents, learn the opener and rotation. If the dps is low for your gear, you can check the difference in your cast sequence against higher parsing people of the same spec on warcraftlogs! And don't forget to sim! This will also make a summary of best hitting spells in a simulation!
@@MarcelianOnline great, thanks for the reply and advice, appreciate it alot :)
What can I do if I dont want this channel showing up on my feed?
Dose anyone have a definitive answer on if crit or mastery is better or a base line to shoot for with the three main stats I’ve been singing but I do more damage when I use other gear then what is highest sun gear
40% critt
@@brandonandrews3768 is that before the 3 stacks of frenzy
Vesperal said it best, it’s the most mobile spec in the game 🔥 FREEDOM!!
Amen!
I dont know where you see meters being wrecked except freehold and Brackenhide xD
All the dungeons! Your group comp also matters and how the tank pulls, if the packs are big enough 😏 or if your tank chain pulls, allowing you to keep your Frenzy up!
Excellent as always!
I can fall asleep while playing BM...
Get a good night's rest
BM hunters are good? I still dont have Dragonflight. Doing some research on classes and my main is Hunter since 2008 🤣
2 button class topping meters no way
Eh, stranger things have happened!
Love to see you play it with only 2 buttons. You ain't topping no meters that way. It's funny because 80%+ of BM hunters can't keep frenzy uptime at 90%+
@@clivesmith1816 ...to be fair, BM hunter is the spec with easily the biggest segment of its players being complete drooling idiots. 80% of BM hunters probably only do LFR and collect pets and shit.
With that said, BM hunter is more than 2 buttons (as is literally every spec ever that is called an "X-button spec", 'cause NO SHIT, it's deliberate exaggeration) and keeping up Frenzy is...not the most complex thing in the game, but it certainly is annoying, so if you wanna take credit for your beloved spec having something really annoying about it, then sure, we'll give you that.
Playing BM in high keys is like playing hardmode on hardmode.. gonna go back to my demolock when i hit 2.5k
The master of beasts, the beast amongst masters.
The beast hunter!
Thank you :)
Welcome :P
Updated fact check title :wrecking meters in freehold and brackenhide only
That's you maybe lol
@josephpoole3942 when you start playing with ppl who know how to play in 22 and 23 you'll see how little dmg BM does in smaller pull dungeons
I found BM performs best with a good tank who is chain pulling. Keeping frenzy at 3 stacks rather than having to bring it up again is super valuable. In neltharius I was cranking with a good tank
While BM is not the highest dps out there, it is decent still, and if played right, you can do some big dam dam both in dungeons and in raids. And yes, your group matters, as does the tank, the pack size, chain pulls, keeping up your Frenzy, and your pets not bugging out!
I play BM and love it. BUT it's not wrecking meters compared to a lot of classes. My last key, a 22 underrot had a rogue and demo warlock that I was well behind. Still love the class and it's my main. The new buff should help this reset
Best BM guide on youtube. Great video.
❤️ Thank you!
Isn’t BM pretty much at the bottom of the meters in any content right now. It needs some help with dmg buffs.
Not bottom, and it did get some buffs no?
It’s getting buffs next weeks reset but I still don’t think it will be quite enough to compare with MM and Surv.
History of BM blizzard sees the bow from Raz as an issue since dps felt bad without it and great with it but it was too hard for some to get so they buff the BM class and nerf the bow. Feels great for a week then they scale back the buffs, and then add them to the season 2 tier set…. This is the problem is that to be as good as a BM hunter from season one that had the Raz bow pre nerf you need the new 4 piece. Which in turn makes it feel worse since you are not really gaining power but just getting back to where it was. I’ll give it a shot with the reset but been playing survival in keys and swapping between surv and MM in raid. Survival is just so fun this season and the damage I feel is better than any other hunter class currently.
@@MarcelianOnline sorry fire mage is the only one below them in heroic and mythic raid at the moment. (I love BM played it a lot it just feels like poop right now)
@@MarcelianOnline So BM 5% buff. well it was 3% nerf before :) so at the end we only have 2% buff. will see at June 7.
Funnest aint a word, but goes well with the most Boeing spec ingame 🤣
www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-funner-and-funnest-real-words-usage feel free to scroll down to the last paragraph for the conclusion.
Also, I'm not sure if you meant to write Boeing or if it was a typo 😆 either way, I enjoy BM, it's not boring for me, I love the mobility, utility and everything else, sooo idk man, based opinion xD
BM's damage is not its issue really i do shit tons of damage its the lack of defensive we have
Yeah could use some extra. We have good defensives and plenty, but the CDs are too long on them
I’m what world is BM fun I played it in bag and shadowlands 😂, go MM
SV is actually the king of hunters currently. It beat BM and MM in single target and AOE. BM might pull out of last place with this buff coming up.
We didn't compare BM to any other spec in this guide though 😀
no its not
But we have papers...
sounds like a range paladin, lol
That's a strange comparison 🤔
@@MarcelianOnline just in the perspective of how many utilies they both got
I literally did 110k overall with no tier on a 14 brak as survival hunter
Hello!
sup
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xD
No intro no good video 😢 when do you drop addons guide?
Damn :(, addons video soon
Did he just say "entry level end game raiding"? Wow has fallen so low and these "content providers" just make me wanna cry.
How come?
@@MarcelianOnline its never good for new players to go to end game in rpgs. Rpgs are not like first person shooters and what not.
@@bsmurf3 You're right, first-person shooters require actual innate skill and a shit lot of practice (and some luck) to get to the "end game" of, while in RPGs, you can leapfrog a lot of it by...watching guides and following itemization and macros and a lot of other shit to bridge the gap.
What was your point again, if you even had one to begin with...?
Bm doesn't really need a guide, that being said, I play MM
Enjoy MM!
BM boring asf. No hate, just not for me. The ranged version of Fury warrior. Can't do it mon'
Luckily, wow has so many classes and specs available, you can just pick whichever you prefer and find dun!
BM is boring as hell
but you needed a guide for it :P
Says how to use things, shows things absolutely not associated with the narration.
Sorry, I do not need to watch you play while you explain something completely different. I do not need Netflix, I need Khan Academy.
No skill bm hunter
MM > BM
based take
Never ! That's the thing clueless people always say .
Surv>>>>>>
@@nosferhatu I’ve been in pugs where BM hunters out gear me and I’m always on top of them on dps, single and AOE.
@@michaelayd5314 Most Bm hunters and when i say most i mean a decent 80% got no clue how to maximise focus managament and from what i have seen literally in my 21-22 keys whenever another bm joins the group he is focus starved , loosing frenzy stacks, not having 99% cleave uptime and so on. BM is not as easy as some might think when it comes to min maxing, Sure everyone can press an easy rotation but when it comes to overall it matter how you do that do squeeze whatever you can out of your class. Plus just think that BM has uncapped AOE and Bm hunter is the ONLY class in the game that can have 100% uptime on it's target as it requires zero casting !
Survival is top no? Me in M+ 100k-110k overa xd
We didn't say BM is top though, and we definitely did not compare it in dmg to other specs or classes