Under the title, there is an option that says ..more.. click it, then go to view transcript and it will give you word for word! Praise God for his Word, who he is and Tozer and piper!
Thanks John. I am fascinated by the irresistible grace. You probably have answered this. But what has always struck me was embodied by a story that I heard a Calvinist say to illustrate total depravity and thus irresistible grace. The story was dramatic but I will cut to the chase. His daughter was racing down the street in total disobedience. He reached out and grabbed her right before she was going to be smashed by a car. She was in total disobedience. She was in rebellion and only his choice to save her saved her. He then likened that to salvation, we are only saved because God has saved us. Someone sent this sermon to me. My question was: "Why didn't he talk about the stains on the road?" In other words the week before, was his son racing down the street and in his sovereignty did he decide to just let him be smashed, his skull crushed, blood everywhere. Was he asked: Why didn't you save him? His answer was: "I didn't choose to." I could have, I just didn't choose to elect him. So he was killed even though I could have saved him. Of course he said no such thing. He wouldn't choose to have his son crushed. If I understand the position, God can save anyone He wants, no one can "receive" God of any choice, so some He saves because He wants to, and others He chooses to roast in hell because He doesn't feel like saving them. He doesn't "will that none would perish," in fact He does will some perish, that is why He doesn't choose to save though he could. Am I understanding this correctly? What other conclusion can you draw?
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God..." Romans 3:23 When God saves a person, He is not saving them because He has to. In truth, if God did not love to show mercy, He could very well condemn us all to hell and still be just. Mercy and grace are given unto those who are not deserving. We are not merely undeserving for something we have not done, but for that which we have done: and that is, that we have with all our hearts and souls and minds and strengths, hated God. Until we are in Christ. All that we have done until the point of our regeneration and salvation is hate God. In a way, your analogy is correct, but in many others it falls short. We are creatures wholly given to our sin, creatures who love our sin, whose wills are bound wholly to our sin (John 3:19, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 6:5, Psalm 14:1-3, Romans 3:10-18, Mark 7:14-23, Romans 1). Those whom God has elected to salvation have received abundant mercy and grace, above all comprehension. Those whom God has elected unto condemnation receive God's justice. The only ones to receive anything undeserved are those who receive God's mercy and grace. Romans 9:21-24
@@c.p.holmes6184 Thank you for replying. You have presented exactly I think the thought process. But tell me where does the analogy fall apart? In the example the Dad is sovereign, the daughter is rebellious, the Dad only by grace saves her from the sure death of the car accident. If a week later the son or another daughter is in the same circumstance and the Dad this time sovereignly decides the kid should get smashed and crushed is he not acting JUST as you claim God acts? He could save, only He could save, for whatever reason He simply decides to not save some that He could. The Bible refers to God as a father and that fathers are to love their children as God loves them. So is the dad perfectly morale if he just doesn't "feel" like saving his kid even though he is able to?
@@martinmasten4107 Of course! I don't mind at all. Of course the analogy isn't wholly wrong; for God is the Father--of all them who are in Jesus Christ. To those who are without Christ, He is the Creator, and they are His creation; but they are not His children. This does not take away from the fact that we are all made in God's image, indeed we are all born with inherent dignity, worth, and value. Yet this does not in its own turn take away from that we are sinful creatures which hate the Lord God. And though God is indeed love, it is no less true that He is thrice holy (as proclaimed by the angels in Isaiah 6 and Revelation 4), and He is just, and righteous. I will go further and say that He is infinitely holy (for He is infinite, and eternal, and has no end) and just and righteous and good and loving. It is *because* He is loving and just and all these wonderful things that He must punish sin. And though I cannot understand it, He is even glorified in it. We must remember that God's ultimate goal is not to save us (for that would make our salvation man-centered): but it is His own glorification. Not because He is selfish or any such thing (which would indeed be blasphemous to say), but because He is infinitely worthy of all glory, and honor, and majesty, and praise.
@@c.p.holmes6184 Thank you for your response. I was told by an Armenian teacher that those who believe in Tulip simply won't respond to honest challenges. That they will simply repeat the teaching or hide behind the "mystery of God." I know you believe what you have stated in the previous emails. I got that. But you simply are not responding to a challenge. Let me try again, if all you can do is repeat Calvinist teaching then I don't want to waste your time. Jesus teaches in the parable of the good Samaritan a lesson about who our neighbor is. He says the one who helped the man beaten and left for dead was the good Samaritan (of course he chose the Samaritan in contrast to a priest or a Levite because they were despised). He said we are to do likewise. Are we on the same page? So we are to rescue when it is in our power correct? If Tulip is true, only God can save, it is in His power to save, if He doesn't save we cannot be saved, He can save whoever He wants, but if he doesn't feel like it you cannot be saved. Is there anything here I am missing? The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children, the ones who perish are the ones He and He alone lets go to hell. God, if this is true, is disobeying Jesus command to us on a much larger scale, yes the Priest and the Levite bypassed a man in need of physical help, but the God of universe bypasses the need for spiritual help even though it is totally in His power alone. So I have challenged you with the analogy of a prominent Calvinist believer in TULIP. He and he alone rescued his daughter from certain slaughter, if in his "sovereign will" the next week decided to let one of his other children get crushed and smashed by a car though it is was in his power to save his child can he hide behind the "sovereign or mystery" argument? You and John must think about this at least privately don't you? No crying during a sermon can avoid the stark moral challenge can it? Please address this question: Can God save anyone He wants to save or not? If He can and He just simply decides not to is that not the equivalent of us choosing not to save someone when it is our power to rescue them?
@@martinmasten4107 Again, I do not mind at all responding. I must say, though, that so far as I can remember, I had responded to your challenge. Perhaps not in the way you expected, and perhaps not in the way the challenge called for. I will try again to respond, and this time appropriately. Yes, God saves whom He will, and whom He wills He has ordained unto destruction. However, I must point out a couple of flaws in your use of the parable of the good Samaritan. The first is that in the parable, Jesus is indeed showing us who our neighbor is, and how we ought to love our fellow man as ourselves; however, He is not showing who and what man is in relation to God. Man is born a hater of God and His commands, with his will, intellect, and emotions bound to his sin. He is born dead in sin, and dead to God. In his relation to God, man has sinned against the infinitely holy, infinitely good, infinitely worthy God of creation. By his actions, his thoughts, his emotions, and his desires, man has slighted, insulted, and dishonored God. For this, every man and woman is infinitely worthy of eternal damnation, forever being destroyed under the holy wrath of God. The parable of the good Samaritan is not an illustration of who and what man is, or what his relation to God is; it is an illustration of how we ought to treat our fellow man. The second issue lies in what you say is Christ's commandment. He makes no new commandment, but expands upon what it means to love our neighbor as ourselves. In Matthew 5:43 He expands upon the command in a different way (He expands not in that He adds to the command, but rather shows what was meant when the command was given by God). He says that we ought to love our enemies. And more perfectly than anyone else ever has, God has done this. For despite man's total depravity, God is still good and kind to the unthankful and the evil (Luke 6:35). He is merciful, and gracious, making His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sending rain on the just and the unjust (Matthew 5:45). So before a man dies, he has received an abundance of the mercies and grace of God. Going beyond that, Paul writes in Romans 5:8 that "... God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." And earlier in Romans he says that Christ died for the ungodly. Is God failing in that which He commanded, by ordaining some to eternal damnation? Absolutely not. Instead I point to Romans 9:21-22, "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." I feel I must also point out again (though perhaps I did not do it rightly the first time) the flaw in your use of the analogy of the human father with his children: that is, with him saving his daughter and allowing his son to die. This is a poor illustration of what unconditional election is, it is a poor illustration of the sovereignty of God, it is a poor illustration again of who and what man is and how he relates to God. Man is not an innocent child on a collision course with a vehicle; he is depraved. He hates God, and hates righteousness. He loves his sin, and his will, his intellect, his emotions are bound to his sin. He hates God, and loves hating God. There is no other way of saying it. Neither are all men children of God, not in the sense of the adoption which is in Jesus Christ. We are children, in the sense that we are all image bearers of God; but we are fallen, depraved, God-hating creatures, and as such are not, from birth, true children of the Most High. From this alone, the analogy does not stand. I will go no further here. I also feel I must correct a certain phrase you used. You said, "The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children, the ones who perish are the ones He and He alone lets go to hell." But here I will be focusing on "The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children..." God does not force any to be His children. He does work in a man irresistibly (or, effectively) in that He regenerates the man, recreating him and making him a new creature. As such, the man's heart (his will, intellect, and emotions) is set free from sin, and so he is free to repent, and to choose God and to obey Him. This is not forced upon man, but rather his will is changed so that he is inexorably drawn to Christ. Finally, I encourage you to read Romans 9. It is very helpful and clear in answering the questions you have posed here. If other texts are needed, see: John 6-10 (particularly 6:37-44, 64-65, 8:33-34, 43-47, and 10:1-30); Romans 1, 3 and 8; Jeremiah 17:9; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16; Ephesians 1:1-11, 2:1-10; Philippians 1:29, 2:12-13.
T - nadie quiere a Dios. U - Dios quiere algunas personas. L - por quienes Cristo murio'. I - a quienes Dios ha dado Gracia Para career. P - y servirlo siempre.
around 14:00 You're going on about the necessity of knowing the basics like who is God. Yet this is exactly what the Trinity doctrine prevents people from having. It's a mysterious he's really some kind of cosmic mystery? John 4:23, 24 How is it possible that him that glorys glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am Yahweh.. Jeremiah 9:23, 24 You guys have a god of your own image! I don't expect you to believe me just because I say so therefore here is a most impressive comprehensive 3 part sermon that addresses all the proof texts that any real believer will examine because God commands us to do so in first Thessalonians 5:21 The sermon I'm referencing is called "unmasking the mark"
I am also kind of perplexed by the title of this program. If Tulip is true shouldn't be called: "Forced despite us to desire God?" No one is in anyway ever desiring God are they? They are mere puppets forced to desire by God's sovereignty. Or am I missing something?
@@christopherbrewer4421 I thought I had replied to you Christopher. i don't see it here. But this might by a simpler reply than I had previously. The elephant in the room is simply this. Is Peter wrong when he says in II Peter 3:9 "God would that none would perish." If we are only saved if God makes us get saved. He can save anyone He wants, but those He doesn't want cannot be saved. Than there can only be one conclusion. God wants people to be eternally tortured. He picks some to be tortured by not choosing them and He picks some to not by tortured and experience eternal bliss by choosing them. What other conclusion can you draw? I do understand the challenge. There are many texts that seem to refer to only the one's God makes can be saved. And they can't refuse. But there are other texts where the writers at least pretend that there is human choice, both on our part and the unbelievers. Paul seems to me the most obvious one to promote the whole game is rigged apart from any desire on our part. But he also seems to write things that imply that he seems to think his efforts mean something. Is he fooling himself?
TULIP starts with total depravity. Yet that is hard to defend. Paul said in Romans 7 he was serving God in his mind, wanting to do good, but in his flesh dwelt no good thing, pulling him to sin. The context is that was the case when under the Mosaic Law. So we are not totally depraved. We have an inclination toward sin and the law made it worse. That is the point. Otherwise, if writing as a Christian, I guess the "law of freedom in Christ" did NOT set him free from the "law of sin and death," right?
This makes no sense to me. What is the point of discipleship if some people are beyond salvation? What is the point of the mandate to "make disciples of all nations?" Of course, God is the majestic creator of the universe ? I don't see how we need TULIP to realize the awesomeness of God. Christianity did not begin at Calvin.
Because "The Gospel" is not a suggestion, but a command! If you're automatically love God, u will automatically love people. It's not our duty to.change the hearts of man, we're merely human beings and vessels used in God's kingdom proclaiming the truth and God draws his people cos faith cometh through hearing. The Gospel is the Gospel, just cos it might not fit into your way of evangelizing, doesn't give us the right to change what has already revealed. We proclaim Christ crucified and plead with the Lord for guidance, help and to reveal himself to those we love and those we engage with. We plant, others may water, but God is ultimately the 1 that gives the increase.
30:56 Did he really say that God allowed himself to be slaughtered? What kind of heresy is this?! God is immortal and cannot die! I'm talking about the father. Know that Scripture calls Jesus God but he is most definitely not his father nor is he the most high God nor is he part of some incomprehensible mystery Trinity! You need to be more clear bro! Or just examine this profoundly impressive three-part sermon called "unmasking the mark"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that WHOSOEVER, BELIEVETH in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe are saved. First Timothy 2:4 Who would have all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. The Gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. Galatians 1:7-9 Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Once we believe and are sealed by the Holy Spirit we are given eternal life. Predestined to be raised at the resurrection. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL of your salvation, in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Not before we believe;. John 1:12 Romans 1:16, Since God wants everyone to believe and be saved through His own Sons finished work on the cross, He does not turn anyone away. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me, will come to me, and ALL that cometh to me, I WILL IN NOWISE CAST OUT. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. According to the bible this man is a false teacher. Matthew 7:15-23. He does not believe in the grace of God to save all who believe without works. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, and we all die, but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, through Jesus Christ our Lord. He is trying to keep people out of the kingdom, and I am trying to get them in. He is an enemy of the cross, and I am a lover of the cross where Jesus died, paid my sin debt in full, and I can no longer be condemned. John 3:18 Calvinism gives no assurance of salvation because it is not based on Jesus, but on whether you were chosen or not. Calvinism is a cult just like Ariminianism and Lordship salvation. None of them pass the test of scripture.
jim kraft you are right, but you are useless without love, change your attitude. All of those “I am” have to go, you seem puffed up. “And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have NOT LOVE, I am NOTHING.” I Corinthians 13:2 NKJV
I am sorry about my attitude, but I want people to go to heaven. Every time I read Matthew 7:21-23 I can not imagine the horror of people who thought they were saved because of their good works, but had never trusted Jesus and His finished work on the cross as full payment for all our sin forever. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Would you tell your own father and mother and your children that they can not be saved because they were not chosen? God will save anyone who just believes on His name. John 1:12 He paid our sin debt in full so that we do not have to go to hell to pay for our sins. He took the punishment we deserve. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. First Corinthians 15:1-4 and John 3:18.
Brother i don't know what lead you to think that john piper dispose the grace of God and how calvinism reject God's grace I am not here to defend him or calvinism but what we believe is that we are saved by grace alone and we didn't had any part in our salvation it was God's grace alone which is what also calvinism says and John piper too. It is also true that God chose us and predestined us. Now you or some will say that God is a loving God he cannot just save some and let others perish. But this shows God's just nature brother. As he also has said that I will have mercy on whom i will have mercy on whom i will show mercy and i will have compassion on whom i will have compassion (Romans 9.15) And i total agree with you that we are not saved by works which i have heard in one of his videos /sermons So i don't know what lead you to say that but i think john piper is a sound teacher and you should listen to him more then we can talk anytime Grace to you.
Calvinism teaches faith is a work. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness apart from works. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Faith alone apart from works. Free gift from God to all who believe. Romans 6:23 First John 2:2 And HE is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe are saved. Faith comes from us. We have to believe it to receive the free gift of eternal life by faith alone apart from works. John 6:47 Faith apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, It is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Faith is what we believe. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We do not get the Holy Spirit until after we believe of our own free will. Notice we do not get the seal of the Holy Spirit until after we believe the gospel and receive the free gift of eternal life by faith alone apart from works. Calvinism gives no assurance of salvation because no one knows if they are chosen or not. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not BELIEVED. Not because they were not chosen. God gave us His word to believe. John 6:47 Not the faith to believe it. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 1:12 and Romans 1:16. John preaches works salvation. Matthew 7:15:23 Not John 6:40 and John 6:29. These men preach grace, but do not believe it. Romans 11:6 Faith apart from works. All grace, no works. Free gift by faith alone.
Good introduction. I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the TULIP videos.
Spectacular Sins and their global purpose in the Glory of Jesus Christ!!
Thank you so very much for posting! God Bless!
Wonderful resource, thank you.
Why don’t these videos have the overhead texts? That’s the best thing about this series is watching him do the exegesis on the overhead.
Under the title, there is an option that says ..more.. click it, then go to view transcript and it will give you word for word!
Praise God for his Word, who he is and Tozer and piper!
Thanks John. I am fascinated by the irresistible grace. You probably have answered this. But what has always struck me was embodied by a story that I heard a Calvinist say to illustrate total depravity and thus irresistible grace. The story was dramatic but I will cut to the chase. His daughter was racing down the street in total disobedience. He reached out and grabbed her right before she was going to be smashed by a car. She was in total disobedience. She was in rebellion and only his choice to save her saved her. He then likened that to salvation, we are only saved because God has saved us. Someone sent this sermon to me. My question was: "Why didn't he talk about the stains on the road?" In other words the week before, was his son racing down the street and in his sovereignty did he decide to just let him be smashed, his skull crushed, blood everywhere. Was he asked: Why didn't you save him? His answer was: "I didn't choose to." I could have, I just didn't choose to elect him. So he was killed even though I could have saved him. Of course he said no such thing. He wouldn't choose to have his son crushed. If I understand the position, God can save anyone He wants, no one can "receive" God of any choice, so some He saves because He wants to, and others He chooses to roast in hell because He doesn't feel like saving them. He doesn't "will that none would perish," in fact He does will some perish, that is why He doesn't choose to save though he could. Am I understanding this correctly? What other conclusion can you draw?
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God..." Romans 3:23
When God saves a person, He is not saving them because He has to. In truth, if God did not love to show mercy, He could very well condemn us all to hell and still be just. Mercy and grace are given unto those who are not deserving. We are not merely undeserving for something we have not done, but for that which we have done: and that is, that we have with all our hearts and souls and minds and strengths, hated God. Until we are in Christ. All that we have done until the point of our regeneration and salvation is hate God.
In a way, your analogy is correct, but in many others it falls short. We are creatures wholly given to our sin, creatures who love our sin, whose wills are bound wholly to our sin (John 3:19, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 6:5, Psalm 14:1-3, Romans 3:10-18, Mark 7:14-23, Romans 1). Those whom God has elected to salvation have received abundant mercy and grace, above all comprehension. Those whom God has elected unto condemnation receive God's justice. The only ones to receive anything undeserved are those who receive God's mercy and grace. Romans 9:21-24
@@c.p.holmes6184 Thank you for replying. You have presented exactly I think the thought process. But tell me where does the analogy fall apart? In the example the Dad is sovereign, the daughter is rebellious, the Dad only by grace saves her from the sure death of the car accident. If a week later the son or another daughter is in the same circumstance and the Dad this time sovereignly decides the kid should get smashed and crushed is he not acting JUST as you claim God acts? He could save, only He could save, for whatever reason He simply decides to not save some that He could. The Bible refers to God as a father and that fathers are to love their children as God loves them. So is the dad perfectly morale if he just doesn't "feel" like saving his kid even though he is able to?
@@martinmasten4107 Of course! I don't mind at all.
Of course the analogy isn't wholly wrong; for God is the Father--of all them who are in Jesus Christ. To those who are without Christ, He is the Creator, and they are His creation; but they are not His children. This does not take away from the fact that we are all made in God's image, indeed we are all born with inherent dignity, worth, and value. Yet this does not in its own turn take away from that we are sinful creatures which hate the Lord God. And though God is indeed love, it is no less true that He is thrice holy (as proclaimed by the angels in Isaiah 6 and Revelation 4), and He is just, and righteous. I will go further and say that He is infinitely holy (for He is infinite, and eternal, and has no end) and just and righteous and good and loving. It is *because* He is loving and just and all these wonderful things that He must punish sin. And though I cannot understand it, He is even glorified in it. We must remember that God's ultimate goal is not to save us (for that would make our salvation man-centered): but it is His own glorification. Not because He is selfish or any such thing (which would indeed be blasphemous to say), but because He is infinitely worthy of all glory, and honor, and majesty, and praise.
@@c.p.holmes6184 Thank you for your response. I was told by an Armenian teacher that those who believe in Tulip simply won't respond to honest challenges. That they will simply repeat the teaching or hide behind the "mystery of God." I know you believe what you have stated in the previous emails. I got that. But you simply are not responding to a challenge. Let me try again, if all you can do is repeat Calvinist teaching then I don't want to waste your time. Jesus teaches in the parable of the good Samaritan a lesson about who our neighbor is. He says the one who helped the man beaten and left for dead was the good Samaritan (of course he chose the Samaritan in contrast to a priest or a Levite because they were despised). He said we are to do likewise. Are we on the same page? So we are to rescue when it is in our power correct? If Tulip is true, only God can save, it is in His power to save, if He doesn't save we cannot be saved, He can save whoever He wants, but if he doesn't feel like it you cannot be saved. Is there anything here I am missing? The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children, the ones who perish are the ones He and He alone lets go to hell. God, if this is true, is disobeying Jesus command to us on a much larger scale, yes the Priest and the Levite bypassed a man in need of physical help, but the God of universe bypasses the need for spiritual help even though it is totally in His power alone. So I have challenged you with the analogy of a prominent Calvinist believer in TULIP. He and he alone rescued his daughter from certain slaughter, if in his "sovereign will" the next week decided to let one of his other children get crushed and smashed by a car though it is was in his power to save his child can he hide behind the "sovereign or mystery" argument? You and John must think about this at least privately don't you? No crying during a sermon can avoid the stark moral challenge can it? Please address this question: Can God save anyone He wants to save or not? If He can and He just simply decides not to is that not the equivalent of us choosing not to save someone when it is our power to rescue them?
@@martinmasten4107 Again, I do not mind at all responding. I must say, though, that so far as I can remember, I had responded to your challenge. Perhaps not in the way you expected, and perhaps not in the way the challenge called for. I will try again to respond, and this time appropriately.
Yes, God saves whom He will, and whom He wills He has ordained unto destruction. However, I must point out a couple of flaws in your use of the parable of the good Samaritan. The first is that in the parable, Jesus is indeed showing us who our neighbor is, and how we ought to love our fellow man as ourselves; however, He is not showing who and what man is in relation to God. Man is born a hater of God and His commands, with his will, intellect, and emotions bound to his sin. He is born dead in sin, and dead to God. In his relation to God, man has sinned against the infinitely holy, infinitely good, infinitely worthy God of creation. By his actions, his thoughts, his emotions, and his desires, man has slighted, insulted, and dishonored God. For this, every man and woman is infinitely worthy of eternal damnation, forever being destroyed under the holy wrath of God. The parable of the good Samaritan is not an illustration of who and what man is, or what his relation to God is; it is an illustration of how we ought to treat our fellow man.
The second issue lies in what you say is Christ's commandment. He makes no new commandment, but expands upon what it means to love our neighbor as ourselves. In Matthew 5:43 He expands upon the command in a different way (He expands not in that He adds to the command, but rather shows what was meant when the command was given by God). He says that we ought to love our enemies. And more perfectly than anyone else ever has, God has done this. For despite man's total depravity, God is still good and kind to the unthankful and the evil (Luke 6:35). He is merciful, and gracious, making His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sending rain on the just and the unjust (Matthew 5:45). So before a man dies, he has received an abundance of the mercies and grace of God.
Going beyond that, Paul writes in Romans 5:8 that "... God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." And earlier in Romans he says that Christ died for the ungodly. Is God failing in that which He commanded, by ordaining some to eternal damnation? Absolutely not. Instead I point to Romans 9:21-22, "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction."
I feel I must also point out again (though perhaps I did not do it rightly the first time) the flaw in your use of the analogy of the human father with his children: that is, with him saving his daughter and allowing his son to die. This is a poor illustration of what unconditional election is, it is a poor illustration of the sovereignty of God, it is a poor illustration again of who and what man is and how he relates to God. Man is not an innocent child on a collision course with a vehicle; he is depraved. He hates God, and hates righteousness. He loves his sin, and his will, his intellect, his emotions are bound to his sin. He hates God, and loves hating God. There is no other way of saying it. Neither are all men children of God, not in the sense of the adoption which is in Jesus Christ. We are children, in the sense that we are all image bearers of God; but we are fallen, depraved, God-hating creatures, and as such are not, from birth, true children of the Most High. From this alone, the analogy does not stand. I will go no further here.
I also feel I must correct a certain phrase you used. You said, "The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children, the ones who perish are the ones He and He alone lets go to hell." But here I will be focusing on "The only ones who become His children are the ones who He forces to be His children..."
God does not force any to be His children. He does work in a man irresistibly (or, effectively) in that He regenerates the man, recreating him and making him a new creature. As such, the man's heart (his will, intellect, and emotions) is set free from sin, and so he is free to repent, and to choose God and to obey Him. This is not forced upon man, but rather his will is changed so that he is inexorably drawn to Christ.
Finally, I encourage you to read Romans 9. It is very helpful and clear in answering the questions you have posed here. If other texts are needed, see: John 6-10 (particularly 6:37-44, 64-65, 8:33-34, 43-47, and 10:1-30); Romans 1, 3 and 8; Jeremiah 17:9; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16; Ephesians 1:1-11, 2:1-10; Philippians 1:29, 2:12-13.
"He chose us in Christ" but how did we become in Christ?
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T - nadie quiere a Dios. U - Dios quiere algunas personas. L - por quienes Cristo murio'. I - a quienes Dios ha dado Gracia Para career. P - y servirlo siempre.
Morgan, I dropped it!!!
around 14:00 You're going on about the necessity of knowing the basics like who is God. Yet this is exactly what the Trinity doctrine prevents people from having. It's a mysterious
he's really some kind of cosmic mystery? John 4:23, 24
How is it possible that him that glorys glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am Yahweh.. Jeremiah 9:23, 24
You guys have a god of your own image! I don't expect you to believe me just because I say so therefore here is a most impressive comprehensive 3 part sermon that addresses all the proof texts that any real believer will examine because God commands us to do so in first Thessalonians 5:21
The sermon I'm referencing is called "unmasking the mark"
Alguém sabe onde consigo este vídeo legendado em português (BR)? 🙏🏾
I am also kind of perplexed by the title of this program. If Tulip is true shouldn't be called: "Forced despite us to desire God?" No one is in anyway ever desiring God are they? They are mere puppets forced to desire by God's sovereignty. Or am I missing something?
@@christopherbrewer4421 I thought I had replied to you Christopher. i don't see it here. But this might by a simpler reply than I had previously. The elephant in the room is simply this. Is Peter wrong when he says in II Peter 3:9 "God would that none would perish." If we are only saved if God makes us get saved. He can save anyone He wants, but those He doesn't want cannot be saved. Than there can only be one conclusion. God wants people to be eternally tortured. He picks some to be tortured by not choosing them and He picks some to not by tortured and experience eternal bliss by choosing them. What other conclusion can you draw? I do understand the challenge. There are many texts that seem to refer to only the one's God makes can be saved. And they can't refuse. But there are other texts where the writers at least pretend that there is human choice, both on our part and the unbelievers. Paul seems to me the most obvious one to promote the whole game is rigged apart from any desire on our part. But he also seems to write things that imply that he seems to think his efforts mean something. Is he fooling himself?
TULIP starts with total depravity. Yet that is hard to defend. Paul said in Romans 7 he was serving God in his mind, wanting to do good, but in his flesh dwelt no good thing, pulling him to sin. The context is that was the case when under the Mosaic Law. So we are not totally depraved. We have an inclination toward sin and the law made it worse. That is the point. Otherwise, if writing as a Christian, I guess the "law of freedom in Christ" did NOT set him free from the "law of sin and death," right?
This makes no sense to me. What is the point of discipleship if some people are beyond salvation? What is the point of the mandate to "make disciples of all nations?" Of course, God is the majestic creator of the universe ? I don't see how we need TULIP to realize the awesomeness of God. Christianity did not begin at Calvin.
Because "The Gospel" is not a suggestion, but a command!
If you're automatically love God, u will automatically love people.
It's not our duty to.change the hearts of man, we're merely human beings and vessels used in God's kingdom proclaiming the truth and God draws his people cos faith cometh through hearing.
The Gospel is the Gospel, just cos it might not fit into your way of evangelizing, doesn't give us the right to change what has already revealed.
We proclaim Christ crucified and plead with the Lord for guidance, help and to reveal himself to those we love and those we engage with.
We plant, others may water, but God is ultimately the 1 that gives the increase.
30:56 Did he really say that God allowed himself to be slaughtered? What kind of heresy is this?! God is immortal and cannot die! I'm talking about the father. Know that Scripture calls Jesus God but he is most definitely not his father nor is he the most high God nor is he part of some incomprehensible mystery Trinity! You need to be more clear bro! Or just examine this profoundly impressive three-part sermon called "unmasking the mark"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that WHOSOEVER, BELIEVETH in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe are saved. First Timothy 2:4 Who would have all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. The Gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures.
Galatians 1:7-9 Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Once we believe and are sealed by the Holy Spirit we are given eternal life. Predestined to be raised at the resurrection. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL of your salvation, in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Not before we believe;.
John 1:12 Romans 1:16, Since God wants everyone to believe and be saved through His own Sons finished work on the cross, He does not turn anyone away. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me, will come to me, and ALL that cometh to me, I WILL IN NOWISE CAST OUT.
John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY.
According to the bible this man is a false teacher. Matthew 7:15-23. He does not believe in the grace of God to save all who believe without works. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, and we all die, but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
He is trying to keep people out of the kingdom, and I am trying to get them in. He is an enemy of the cross, and I am a lover of the cross where Jesus died, paid my sin debt in full, and I can no longer be condemned. John 3:18 Calvinism gives no assurance of salvation because it is not based on Jesus, but on whether you were chosen or not. Calvinism is a cult just like Ariminianism and Lordship salvation. None of them pass the test of scripture.
jim kraft you are right, but you are useless without love, change your attitude. All of those “I am” have to go, you seem puffed up.
“And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have NOT LOVE, I am NOTHING.”
I Corinthians 13:2 NKJV
I am sorry about my attitude, but I want people to go to heaven. Every time I read Matthew 7:21-23 I can not imagine the horror of people who thought they were saved because of their good works, but had never trusted Jesus and His finished work on the cross as full payment for all our sin forever.
John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Would you tell your own father and mother and your children that they can not be saved because they were not chosen? God will save anyone who just believes on His name. John 1:12 He paid our sin debt in full so that we do not have to go to hell to pay for our sins. He took the punishment we deserve. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. First Corinthians 15:1-4 and John 3:18.
@@jimkraft9445 that first paragraph is real bro
Brother i don't know what lead you to think that john piper dispose the grace of God and how calvinism reject God's grace
I am not here to defend him or calvinism but what we believe is that we are saved by grace alone and we didn't had any part in our salvation it was God's grace alone which is what also calvinism says and John piper too. It is also true that God chose us and predestined us. Now you or some will say that God is a loving God he cannot just save some and let others perish. But this shows God's just nature brother. As he also has said that I will have mercy on whom i will have mercy on whom i will show mercy and i will have compassion on whom i will have compassion (Romans 9.15)
And i total agree with you that we are not saved by works which i have heard in one of his videos /sermons
So i don't know what lead you to say that but i think john piper is a sound teacher and you should listen to him more then we can talk anytime
Grace to you.
Calvinism teaches faith is a work. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness apart from works. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Faith alone apart from works. Free gift from God to all who believe. Romans 6:23
First John 2:2 And HE is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe are saved. Faith comes from us. We have to believe it to receive the free gift of eternal life by faith alone apart from works.
John 6:47 Faith apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, It is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Faith is what we believe.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We do not get the Holy Spirit until after we believe of our own free will. Notice we do not get the seal of the Holy Spirit until after we believe the gospel and receive the free gift of eternal life by faith alone apart from works.
Calvinism gives no assurance of salvation because no one knows if they are chosen or not. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not BELIEVED. Not because they were not chosen.
God gave us His word to believe. John 6:47 Not the faith to believe it. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 1:12 and Romans 1:16.
John preaches works salvation. Matthew 7:15:23 Not John 6:40 and John 6:29. These men preach grace, but do not believe it. Romans 11:6 Faith apart from works. All grace, no works. Free gift by faith alone.