It's interesting than TnY started this best of 5 with exactly 5997 wins on his account, meaning winning the series would involve hitting 6k wins by beating Artosis
@@SeeAndDreamify I think the gateway strat was a panic switch, it didn't look as practiced and seemed very improvised. Still caught Artosis by surprise though
I'm so happy to see this, BGH is halfway between a regular map and Fastest so it was interesting to see. I'm scared a little because don't think many people will like this 1 hour long format but I appreciate it. A little bit more variety would have been better but so is life. Protoss strategy: -Play BGH. -Carriers. -Win.
I used to have friendly 1v1s with tny back in the day, he sure had many people who didn't like him but he was on my friends list. I did have one game where I smurf 1v1d him tvp and nuke rushed him, replay might still be out there lol. Good times.
Honestly speaking, despite Artosis general bitching about P being broken, I have to say that on bgh, it actually is. the map being huge allows for multiple ninja exp that are really far for terran to snipe, and the double gas in main grants a free carrier rush pretty much every time. I'm sure if this was played on any random ladder map, TnY would not have taken a single game from Artosis, but on bgh it was quite close. Also count that if the spawns are 2 close, which can happen at 1-3 , 6-7 and expecially 11-12 P has a very easy game harassing T while expanding already anywhere else on the map. Even if P gets somehow choked in main, which on regular maps means a win for T automatically, on bgh it isn't really a big deal because of the infinite minerals and the big distance from all the other ninja expos he can take. I have to say bgh is an extremely frustrating map to play for T against P.
@@ModusOperandi2009 that doesnt seem to do anything for T on this map, as you've seen carriers can be massed so fast that T is on a timer to push out so turtling up doesnt help.
@@yangpaan453 Agreed, you noticed that last game he just made a timing push and crippled the P right when he needed to. 2 carriers is much better to deal with than 10. Pillow forting against a P on BGH is near suicide unless you really know what you're doing, and even then you can get really unlucky.
for someone who likes timing attacks, it took Arty till 5th game, to realize that early stage of carrier buildings puts protoss in a vulnerable position
I dunno why In game two as he’s taking out his nexus artosis sees the carriers. His reaction is to build 4 tech buildings and continue depot production instead of mass turrets with goliaths behind that. He def has a solid 2 minutes to get some static defenses up
I feel like BGH was literally the only map he could do carriers like this. His goon harass was so bad yet he was still able to get into that many carriers game 2. He didn't need to expand. Any other competitive map and he doesn't take a map.
That was interesting. Clearly protoss player was worse Starcraft player than Arto but map knowledge gave him some level of edge. I think it was somewhat balanced and was unsure who would win best of 5. Well done!
Arty: Sees carriers when he goes mech. Also Arty: Starts building 3 starports instead of spamming gols and turrets at his main Also Arty: Toss is op because terra can't build starports and mass wraith before finished carriers fly across map.
24:45 the fact arty didn’t just throw down a dozen turrets at home right then to buy time for goliaths is on him. At that point you need to just stay alive until you can best the carriers
I don't think he knew that on a map with lots of resourses the protoss player default setting is to go to carriers. Either that or he underestimated his opponent.
Regardless, he won a best of 5 on a map he had virtually no experience on against a person who has over 10,000 hours of experience on it. If Artosis played this guy 100 times on bgh he would probably end up winning the last 50 in a row.
He also did not prioritize making goliaths , he could’ve had 8 and a wraith or two with the next 4 ready to pop out if he started production as soon as he saw the carriers 💀
@@Rogerdodger1995 yea ... if he was doing commentary on this game, he would have begged Terran to get Goliaths .. he did so many times in these situations ... lets face it ... Arty was not in his prime state of mind these games
Protons is OP because Terran has to be completely reactive, 'toss has many game-ending cheeses, and Terran move-out has to be flawless. Even then toss can backstab.
how is it reactive? just build some tech and push. thanks to narrow roads you have a shitload of good positions to take. if he actually builds zeals/goons just wait till 200 limit and upgrades then he dies
He was going mech until he was able to scout stargate tech and lack of an army for his opponent with his vultures which is a huge tipoff that opponent is going carrier. Arty didn't have his armory yet so he threw down a bunch of barracks because he wouldn't have time to get into goliaths.
that was brilliant by Artosis. He figured that's the perfect counter against early carriers, because mm work quite fine against them if they're still in the 4-5 range, while goliaths take up 2 much gas and would have taken 2 long to push.
@@tictacterminator With fatslob, it's not whether or not he wins... It's whether or not he makes someone play an 8 hour game and cry himself to sleep at night.
About the scout, I think on this map u have to go after make a depot. Even think about one scv each direction to see what the gameplay will be for prottoss. I think the less worse to this map is marine, tank and goliaths. I think you need to take the close expansion cause if not the economy don't grow fast enough. I don't think marine only is good cause he can just switch and attack on ground. But maybe we should just ask flash 📸
Actually, on BGH i scout straight after starting 1st pylon (on 7 population). Also most players are ok not expanding ... this is BGH (not regular hunters), just make a lot of SCV/drones/probes, and you won't know how to spend it.
Honestly a fun series to watch. But also frustrating to see how OP some P strategies are. Like P can get DTs so early and then do anything they want behind it basically. And T just cannot leave their base to do anything about it basically until they get to science vessels, which is way fkin late and P can already easily have some carriers by then.
With this map its to easy to go nexus first and have your first carrier before artosis can scout. Then if you do counter carrier protoss can switch into anything and finish you.
I've probably played hundreds of games on Hunters - which is why I watched Arty play on the map with great interest. In the first game he builds tons of marines with medics and siege tanks and goes to destroy the opponent's base - WHILE BARELY escaping his own base being destroyed by mass carriers. How he escaped destruction was impressive. In the second game he also builds siege tanks - except he doesn't have marines - and THERE ARE NO TURRETS IN THE MAIN until too late - at which point there is ONE. DUDE. You've almost lost previous game because of no turrets. In the second game you don't have marines - AND YET YOU FORGET TURRETS - AGAIN - this time you don't even have bunkers. The moment Arty spots/hears carriers - he should have built a forest of turrets in his main - yet he's fiddling around with siege tanks in the opponents base (which are going to be killed anyway). Jesus, Arty - I've never been able to say this - because your level of play is one of the top 100 globally - but this was sloppier than I could ever have played. Will show this game to my kid - on how NOT TO PLAY - ie, how not to be sloppy. So I guess - thanks for that, greetings from Latvia. Edited: and most hilariously, he rages about the game that it's "broken" and that Protoss is OP. No, Arty. JUST NO.
That guy he played against is actually so infuriating to watch. "i could beat artosis in a bo5 lol" when all he does is carrier - except for 1 game which just so happens to be the only game artosis didnt have tanks. how can you think youre good if you rely on ONLY making 1 high tier unit asap. Any donkey can get out carriers..
and if you scout him and he is not building army, only probes and carriers go kill him every time like last game. But Arty didn't scout like he should every game...
"wow i didn't expect mm" guy clearly wasn't watching ASL casts then. If he did he would have known that in season 10 Ro16 group B losers match protoss player rushed carriers and died to early scouting of terran player who, as you guessed, spammed marines. Edit: ASL Season 11 Ro24 day6 Winners match Mong vs Mini
He plays bgh because he doesn't want to play straight up. He tries playing ladder and gets 2 fact all day probably. So he instead plays bgh to do "real strategies" and avoid all the "sweaty nerds" and their "macro" and "builds"
@@Virtua.. If I'm not mistaken Artosis got last scout in that game. Last scout on an 8 player map is horrible (that's why bgh sucks). If the guy played ht/arbiter every game, Artosis would get to play mech and would roll him. If Artosis gets a late scout he can easily get unlucky either by playing mech and then oops it was fast carriers, or playing MM and oops it was HT.
imo he could have waited 2nd nexus to go for carriers because the distance in general on bgh heavily favours P. T can't really push for anything if P chokes him at the mid while trying to get out. but I guess he knew Artosis was better than him so he tried to abuse carriers asap
@@skykur its not the best strat. as you can see it can be easily countered. protoss played it 4 times and won 1 vs unexpecting opponent. Arty could have won g2 too if played correctly, just mass turrets after seeing carriers, your economy will prevail when you killed opp's nexus
At least in brood war you had to learn carrier micro. In sc2 platinum carriers and pro carriers are literally the same -- nothing better to do than a move
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 builds once, but I fear the man who has practiced one build 10,000 times. Unless it's TnY." - Artosis
LMFAO
It's interesting than TnY started this best of 5 with exactly 5997 wins on his account, meaning winning the series would involve hitting 6k wins by beating Artosis
The good ol' Carrier rush strat on BGH.
Most people only play one race, but this guy plays only 1 map and 1 strat
the fatslob of SC?
actually 2 strats
It's been ages since I played Star Craft, but I remember BGH was hated as a trash noob map for a reason
@@SeeAndDreamify I think the gateway strat was a panic switch, it didn't look as practiced and seemed very improvised. Still caught Artosis by surprise though
@@Chud_Bud_Supreme it's still a fun map. Not a place for skill, but a place for fun and memes
Awesome games! Very fun to see different types of games where u have u think a little different
I agree. Showmatches of weird stuff are always good stream content and hopefully good stuff for you to edit also ,eh? ^^
The M&M/firebats/waiths combo was really cool before an 8-player money map stomped on it.
If you're invisible men productions, then how come I can see you?!?
@@larry1videorater96 Artosis scanned me
This is the type of content I like to see 👍
I'm so happy to see this, BGH is halfway between a regular map and Fastest so it was interesting to see. I'm scared a little because don't think many people will like this 1 hour long format but I appreciate it. A little bit more variety would have been better but so is life.
Protoss strategy:
-Play BGH.
-Carriers.
-Win.
Dikk a szája
And this strat happens to be a hard counter to RT's playstyle, because neither tanks nor vultures can shoot in the air :D
i missed watching full arto games, i cant usually catch the streams
He starts streaming exactly when I'm going to sleep. First world problems.
Same for me! I don't understand why we dont get gameplay videos anymore :((
I used to have friendly 1v1s with tny back in the day, he sure had many people who didn't like him but he was on my friends list. I did have one game where I smurf 1v1d him tvp and nuke rushed him, replay might still be out there lol. Good times.
Post replay pls, i gotta see it
This was so much fun to watch please post more of your games
Honestly speaking, despite Artosis general bitching about P being broken, I have to say that on bgh, it actually is. the map being huge allows for multiple ninja exp that are really far for terran to snipe, and the double gas in main grants a free carrier rush pretty much every time. I'm sure if this was played on any random ladder map, TnY would not have taken a single game from Artosis, but on bgh it was quite close. Also count that if the spawns are 2 close, which can happen at 1-3 , 6-7 and expecially 11-12 P has a very easy game harassing T while expanding already anywhere else on the map. Even if P gets somehow choked in main, which on regular maps means a win for T automatically, on bgh it isn't really a big deal because of the infinite minerals and the big distance from all the other ninja expos he can take. I have to say bgh is an extremely frustrating map to play for T against P.
On the flip side, Terran gets comfortable choke points and double gas for free.
@@ModusOperandi2009 that doesnt seem to do anything for T on this map, as you've seen carriers can be massed so fast that T is on a timer to push out so turtling up doesnt help.
@@ModusOperandi2009 gas is not really a huge thing for TvP. That much gas is huge in PvT though. So advantage Protoss for sure.
@@yangpaan453 Agreed, you noticed that last game he just made a timing push and crippled the P right when he needed to. 2 carriers is much better to deal with than 10. Pillow forting against a P on BGH is near suicide unless you really know what you're doing, and even then you can get really unlucky.
Yea if it wash flash , light, nada, boxer it would be easy money
for someone who likes timing attacks, it took Arty till 5th game, to realize that early stage of carrier buildings puts protoss in a vulnerable position
In the immortal words of Idra: "You're very good at building carriers. Thats an important skill toi have"
Yes please post more full games it makes me better
This should be a recurring theme from RT's stream. "RT's BGH Challenge"
That was crazy! Really just brings to light how much the maps play in the balance of sc1. Really impressive games Artosis, awesome stuff.
I dunno why In game two as he’s taking out his nexus artosis sees the carriers. His reaction is to build 4 tech buildings and continue depot production instead of mass turrets with goliaths behind that. He def has a solid 2 minutes to get some static defenses up
I feel like BGH was literally the only map he could do carriers like this. His goon harass was so bad yet he was still able to get into that many carriers game 2.
He didn't need to expand. Any other competitive map and he doesn't take a map.
Did he pay the $300?
probably not lol
That was interesting. Clearly protoss player was worse Starcraft player than Arto but map knowledge gave him some level of edge. I think it was somewhat balanced and was unsure who would win best of 5. Well done!
You should get the replays to Tasteless and get him to cast these games.
hahahaha that progression from "oh this is actually kinda interesting!" to fucking MADDD was hilarious
Was a lot of fun, interesting matchups where it was carrier, carrier and carrier
Arty: Sees carriers when he goes mech.
Also Arty: Starts building 3 starports instead of spamming gols and turrets at his main
Also Arty: Toss is op because terra can't build starports and mass wraith before finished carriers fly across map.
24:45 the fact arty didn’t just throw down a dozen turrets at home right then to buy time for goliaths is on him. At that point you need to just stay alive until you can best the carriers
I don't think he knew that on a map with lots of resourses the protoss player default setting is to go to carriers. Either that or he underestimated his opponent.
@@SargentGunnery ya he def didn’t know how easy it is to get carriers. But once you see the carriers, turrets. Just get them down and stay alive
Regardless, he won a best of 5 on a map he had virtually no experience on against a person who has over 10,000 hours of experience on it.
If Artosis played this guy 100 times on bgh he would probably end up winning the last 50 in a row.
He also did not prioritize making goliaths , he could’ve had 8 and a wraith or two with the next 4 ready to pop out if he started production as soon as he saw the carriers 💀
@@Rogerdodger1995 yea ... if he was doing commentary on this game, he would have begged Terran to get Goliaths .. he did so many times in these situations ... lets face it ... Arty was not in his prime state of mind these games
Epic. "Hotkey didn't make" is canonized.
"I had to have that scan to win the game" Meanwhile is 50/50 supply blocked
Protons is OP because Terran has to be completely reactive, 'toss has many game-ending cheeses, and Terran move-out has to be flawless. Even then toss can backstab.
Laughs in flying zerg monkeys
PROTONS IMBA
how is it reactive? just build some tech and push. thanks to narrow roads you have a shitload of good positions to take. if he actually builds zeals/goons just wait till 200 limit and upgrades then he dies
Why does Artosis have the same shirt as Bert from Sesame Street?
Don't tell his wife. He's on the downlow
That was a ton of fun to watch, thanks for posting it. gg!
I thought the M and M strat in game 1 was interesting. I figured you would 100% go mech
He was going mech until he was able to scout stargate tech and lack of an army for his opponent with his vultures which is a huge tipoff that opponent is going carrier. Arty didn't have his armory yet so he threw down a bunch of barracks because he wouldn't have time to get into goliaths.
so did his opponent, pretty much anyone that goes marine medic and gets scouted loses to reaver or storm.
If the player doesn’t have splash damage then marine medic is the best counter to carriers
that was brilliant by Artosis. He figured that's the perfect counter against early carriers, because mm work quite fine against them if they're still in the 4-5 range, while goliaths take up 2 much gas and would have taken 2 long to push.
Would a few ghosts with lockdown help a lot since it was pretty obvious the guy would go carrier every game?
Carriers every game? Such talent
reminds me of a fellow named fatslob in aoe2
@@tictacterminator With fatslob, it's not whether or not he wins... It's whether or not he makes someone play an 8 hour game and cry himself to sleep at night.
When he finally made turrets in the last game 😂😂😂
Classic BGH Protoss player with the carrier rush. Toss is broken in this map
About the scout, I think on this map u have to go after make a depot. Even think about one scv each direction to see what the gameplay will be for prottoss. I think the less worse to this map is marine, tank and goliaths. I think you need to take the close expansion cause if not the economy don't grow fast enough. I don't think marine only is good cause he can just switch and attack on ground. But maybe we should just ask flash 📸
Actually, on BGH i scout straight after starting 1st pylon (on 7 population). Also most players are ok not expanding ... this is BGH (not regular hunters), just make a lot of SCV/drones/probes, and you won't know how to spend it.
Damn only didn't go carriers when he was close by air lmao the mind games
why cut right after the last game, i wanted to hear RTs thoughts on it
Imagine you build first carrier and there is “nuclear launch detected”
Honestly a fun series to watch. But also frustrating to see how OP some P strategies are. Like P can get DTs so early and then do anything they want behind it basically. And T just cannot leave their base to do anything about it basically until they get to science vessels, which is way fkin late and P can already easily have some carriers by then.
Science vessel the last detector in Terran tech tree. Comsat station and missile turrets come first
so any protoss starts with dt because its imba lol?
With this map its to easy to go nexus first and have your first carrier before artosis can scout. Then if you do counter carrier protoss can switch into anything and finish you.
big game hunters was my childhood man
This was a great video. thanks for posting it.
Love the wholesome content. Much better than the Twitch garbo
This was a fun bo5. The other guy seems like he's played big game hunters forever, and is a good player but came off like a one trick pony.
scouting only with 1 scv is not good. you also need to send 1st marine to scout in oposite direction on this map
nice games from both players and chat was on fire! XD
Loved it Arty. Great job you stud! More BGH!
I've probably played hundreds of games on Hunters - which is why I watched Arty play on the map with great interest. In the first game he builds tons of marines with medics and siege tanks and goes to destroy the opponent's base - WHILE BARELY escaping his own base being destroyed by mass carriers. How he escaped destruction was impressive. In the second game he also builds siege tanks - except he doesn't have marines - and THERE ARE NO TURRETS IN THE MAIN until too late - at which point there is ONE. DUDE. You've almost lost previous game because of no turrets. In the second game you don't have marines - AND YET YOU FORGET TURRETS - AGAIN - this time you don't even have bunkers. The moment Arty spots/hears carriers - he should have built a forest of turrets in his main - yet he's fiddling around with siege tanks in the opponents base (which are going to be killed anyway). Jesus, Arty - I've never been able to say this - because your level of play is one of the top 100 globally - but this was sloppier than I could ever have played. Will show this game to my kid - on how NOT TO PLAY - ie, how not to be sloppy. So I guess - thanks for that, greetings from Latvia. Edited: and most hilariously, he rages about the game that it's "broken" and that Protoss is OP. No, Arty. JUST NO.
Nice job, RT!
Do people play The Hunters map, the one that released with the game?
How much time do you need to take a second base 😮
The wraith play should be in ASL highlights
this was a wild ride alright
That guy he played against is actually so infuriating to watch. "i could beat artosis in a bo5 lol" when all he does is carrier - except for 1 game which just so happens to be the only game artosis didnt have tanks. how can you think youre good if you rely on ONLY making 1 high tier unit asap. Any donkey can get out carriers..
What does "a5 // 5" mean?
Wanne see the replay file of those games.
Did he go nexus first on any games? I feel like that's high % win especially vs artosis.
I haven't played sc1 in years but I'm curious, why not consider making a few Goliaths to take out this one trick pony making a handful of carriers?
BGH, the map where people who wish they were playing Civilization. It almost feel like playing Monopoly
Phenomenal performance!!!
this makes me very happy
BGH, I thought is a 1-1-1, quick dropship map for terran.
Artosis works hard for the money.
Tosis is on BGH and doesn't even touch tanks when the Toss goes ground game. Tanks on BGH are OP
Archons, carriers , arto does marines??!! wow
Post these full games arty, R-Tee
How you not gonna show the aftermath chat and/or payment!
Really fun to watch
I think you should be making another cc at some point or multiple ccs to boost your acv production and income.
More games without TTS. Beautiful
Why do they never expand?
Bastard still had carriers in the end....
Justice prevails
I expected something more. Like, stasis on SCVs or mass dark archons.
Just curious how you met your wife, and if she is from pei how she came to korea
and if you scout him and he is not building army, only probes and carriers go kill him every time like last game. But Arty didn't scout like he should every game...
in the second game, if TnY would've killed Art's scanner, would've been GG cause the DT wouldn't killed a ton of his marines.
One base marine for almost 20 minutes then tilt for almost 20 minutes, sort of a high intensity interval bw
Last game was hilarious!
"wow i didn't expect mm" guy clearly wasn't watching ASL casts then. If he did he would have known that in season 10 Ro16 group B losers match protoss player rushed carriers and died to early scouting of terran player who, as you guessed, spammed marines.
Edit: ASL Season 11 Ro24 day6 Winners match Mong vs Mini
The ASL S10 Ro16 Group B loser's match was Action vs. Best. There was no Terran player.
That guy sucked man. He probably doesnt even watch ASL
@@EebstertheGreat i think i know what match hes talking about, it was Mong, not sure the season...
@@EebstertheGreat yeah, i was too lazy to find the game, figured people would be lazy aswell
@@EebstertheGreat found the game, it's asl season 11, Ro24, day6, winners match is the one I'm talking about
Considering Arty doesn't know BGH, it's so easy for this guy to hide Stargates every single game.
Protoss cheese with those noob carriers
man if the guy just played straight up he would coast on how ez protoss is. but he tried to carrier way too early.
He would've been wrecked if he played straight up. The guy just did abusive strats relying on the imbalance of the map.
@@abstractdaddy1384 not when he went ground + ht
He plays bgh because he doesn't want to play straight up. He tries playing ladder and gets 2 fact all day probably. So he instead plays bgh to do "real strategies" and avoid all the "sweaty nerds" and their "macro" and "builds"
@@Virtua..
If I'm not mistaken Artosis got last scout in that game. Last scout on an 8 player map is horrible (that's why bgh sucks).
If the guy played ht/arbiter every game, Artosis would get to play mech and would roll him.
If Artosis gets a late scout he can easily get unlucky either by playing mech and then oops it was fast carriers, or playing MM and oops it was HT.
imo he could have waited 2nd nexus to go for carriers because the distance in general on bgh heavily favours P. T can't really push for anything if P chokes him at the mid while trying to get out. but I guess he knew Artosis was better than him so he tried to abuse carriers asap
GG Arty! That was great :D
1:14:56 why are you not attacking the pylon?
Did arty get the prize money?
Why not expand? I wonder
1:00:00 what you are doing with those wraiths had me shouting at the screen. why didn't you just kill all his probes?
1 base carrier. Embarrassing. This guy played like I used to when I was 12 years old doing 3v5 comp stomps
It is the best strat for bgh. Your resources don’t run out
have you seen the map?
@@skykur its not the best strat. as you can see it can be easily countered. protoss played it 4 times and won 1 vs unexpecting opponent. Arty could have won g2 too if played correctly, just mass turrets after seeing carriers, your economy will prevail when you killed opp's nexus
I’m confused why you aren’t going mech in these games
MM counters carriers really well, and the other player was going carrier every game
There's no open ground for gols. They'd get picked off little by little as the carriers can choose to engage and disengage at any point.
This was so fucking stressful to watch.
thats what its really like bgh 1v1 vs protoss
I'm so hyped
Hope the guy paid up.
what happened last game, like, trying not to spoil it, what was the loser's intended strategy?
Get carriers out before Artosis pushed. If Artosis turtled for another minute or two instead of pushing the guy woulda won
He was probably hoping RT didn't make a million turrets.
I think prottoss was just scouting at 9. Don't think was cheating.
52:42 he's using com-sat but why isn't it showing the enemy base?
that was only the sound of selecting the building, the comsat scan has a different kind of beeping.
Bro doesn’t reslize he can easily counter the carriers by leaving a few ghosts at his base
Carriers in bw were a mistake and they made that same mistake in sc2.
At least in brood war you had to learn carrier micro. In sc2 platinum carriers and pro carriers are literally the same -- nothing better to do than a move
@@robibhattacharjee7960 I'll give you that yeah.
Did RT get paid?
That toss was a total clown.
This is sooo good😄🙌