Throat Singing : A Term Tuvan and Too Vague
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In this video, I analyse different styles of what is called "throat singing," from Inuit Kattajaq to Sardinian Cantu a Tenore to showcase that the term "Throat Singing" is too vague to be a functional musicological category, as it lumps together widely different styles of singing with no fundamental similarities only on the basis that they all sound "guttural and throaty."
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In this video, I analyse different styles of what is called "throat singing," from Inuit Kattajaq to Sardinian Cantu a Tenore to showcase that the term "Throat Singing" is too vague to be a functional musicological category, as it lumps together widely different styles of singing with no fundamental similarities only on the basis that they all sound "guttural and throaty."
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@@ars_inn What if it’s AVI
lol just kidding it’s not 2008 anymore
Farya, when are you going to make a Discord server?
@@greygamertales1293 Other than the fact that I never understood what Discord servers are about, I don’t think I ever will lol, not with the demographics that make up my followers. It’s made up of wonderful, beautiful cultures like Turks, Serbs, Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, and many others, the problem is when you put those same people in the same place, it’s like a recipe for a bomb.
I’ve read enough genocidal speeches of mass rape, extermination and ethnic cleansing from every possible side in the comments of my videos to know what the Discord Server would be like, and humanity deserves better 😂
@@faryafaraji This man understands the assignment. 😎
4 things I learned from this video.
1. I'm not "Brown" (that's new to me, blew my mind)
2. All music is just a game.
3. Farya will join the Hu to learn Mongolian.
4. Farya really knows how to use that throat...(ladies he has an Instagram 😉)
As for the Ainu and Inuit "singing styles", I think it's very possible they could be related. The Ainu were part of a greater culture sphere that includes the Nivkh and Kamchatka peoples, and the Inuit are part of a similar culture sphere including the Chukchi and Kamchatka peoples.
Depending on if the same style/game is found in Kamchatka, where there actually were Ainu at one point, it's possible that they could be related
Throat singing is an interesting field of art however it's safe to assume that we're fortunate to hear it in the 21st century rather than the 13th :d
lol if you hear it in the 13th century you better pray hard
@@faryafaraji Well, as they say Türk oguz begleri, bodun, eşidin üze
Tengri basmasar asra yir telinmeser
Türk bodun illinin, törüngün kim artatı udaçi erti?
@@robinrehlinghaus1944As they also say:
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@@faryafaraji True dat
@@faryafaraji Best to pray hard to ayağka tägimlik tängri
I had no idea the term throat singing was this vague, and had this many problems. Thank you for making this video, I learned a lot.
Thanks alot!
The Inuit thing got me thinking. I’m very involved in the Deaf World and in my experience one popular kind of game is gesture games. It’s basically like charades: one person is given a word and the other people have to guess what it is. You’re not allowed to sign or fingerspell, you can only gesture and act out whatever your word is. I’m just imagining an audist were to come to a Deaf club, see them playing a gesture game, and think “hmm, yes, this is sign language.”
I will henceforth perceive each and every piece of music you post on this channel as being representative of the culture of Them Brown People
What if I post only James Brown songs
The inuit stuff was super fascinating, as someone from a hungarian origin it was wildly strange for my ears. I also greatly agree with your comments on the scientific method.
On the matters of 'throat singing' while I do think it's unfortunate that it became a vehicle for westerners to interpret music they can't interpret in any other way, I do think that there are some huge benefits - right now my spotify playlist has like 6 different musicians performing mongolian/altai music and the spotify algorithm keeps finding more. They are just brilliant. I can't help but to think the initial boom helped in their success.
Oddly enough I do feel easily drawn to these nomadic (that's right, I just made up a category, take that, scientific method!) music, as a Hungarian the instruments and the general vibe of these feel very friendly to my ears, though this type of singing is not present here I think.
So here are some suggestions for the person wishing to expand their playlist with nomadic music:
- Hanggai: Beautiful Mongolian Horse
- Altai Kai: Kai Kozhong
- Sainkho Namtchylak: Nomadic Mood
- Mathias Duplessy: Tcheren Deya
- Yat-Kha: Kaa-Khem
- The HU: Sugaan Essena
And one somewhat unrelated extra to Farya (whom i secretly want to infect with an interest in hungarian folk music for a while now, because I know he reads comments):
- Ghymes: Ej, de igen nagy kár
I like that you included the Star Wars one :p
5:28
I am now desperate for you to do a cover of Agni Parthene, just that soundbite alone was GOLD!
Loved the vid as well, I hope you do more videos of yourself just shooting the shit and talking about something, you always seem to bring nuance to subjects you cover.
X2
@@ValottaLaureano x3
I support!!
Along with fellow History geeks, I became aware of “throat singing” in the early-mid 90s, when the (then, brand-new) *The Learning Channel* (yes, the “L” stood for _learning_ ) broadcast the four part documentary series, _Mongol Hordes: Storm From the East,_ where this singing style features throughout providing the soundtrack for each episode.
Interesting, I heard of it first from Bela Fleck who loved bringing together music from different backgrounds and cultures and on one of their albums they had a master Tuvan throat singer and it blew my mind how it was even possible to sing multiple notes at once.
The sounds you made during this video were highly concerning for my cat, thank you for the good laugh in addition to the insightful and interesting content as usual!
Cats seem to universally hate these singing styles, I have to shut myself in the bathroom to practice
@@Sk0lzky My dog is sensitive to singing as well.
Westerners tend to associate throat singing with brutality and war, but it's actually the mimicry of the sounds of nature.
I can't speak for the rest of us, but I associate throat singing with being bored and trying to entertain myself
I associate it mostly with the infinite vastness of the steppe.
Together with the horsehead fiddle, you get a melodic and aetherical music that speaks of a deep connection with nature and the land.
The crackle of flame, the rustle of leaf~ the cracking of stone, the whistle of wind~
The creaking of wood, the tussle of water~
The sounds of our sons, songs of our daughters
it’s more like participating rather then mimicry
It’s just the association with the mongols and other steppe peoples that to be fair often interacted with the west through war and bloodshed historically
I knew about throat singing since I was a kid, likely due to a documentary about Mongolia. Totally forgot all about it for decades.
...and then came The HU.
Came here to learn about thing about throat singing,
end up developping complex about my chest hairs.
When you live in the Canadian cold, you’ve got to adapt 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
As a Sardinian I did in fact grow up with 'throat singing' or as we call it cantu a tenore.
As far as I have understood the thing that cultures who currently do 'throat singing' have in common is that they seem to be mostly pastoral.
deu puru seu sarda
Your point on studying a culture through its own lense rather than from a foreign anthropological approach is excellent. That is why it is my desire to learn the culture and history of any people in their own language, if possible, rather than reading or hearing about it all in English. Just like reading Roman literature in some archaic English translation robs you of the experience of encountering the subtleties and original flavor of the Latin.
Yes! Poetry is a great example; you lose much by reading translations that at that point, it’s questionable if it’s worth it in the first place. The main themes and ideas may be communicated, but they can’t ever serve as a substitute for the original thing.
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yoooooooo funny music man is back at it again
Imagine if all Iranian men styled themselves historically like this. Walking streets would be a treat like time travel to one of aesthetic pinnacles . Waaa :))
I was " throat singing" as a child. I had no clue what it was- we traveled, and I would get car sick reading, so I would sing, make sounds, do impressions etc. I had musical abilities for my entire life- played any instrument starting at 4 years old- usually my voice was my instrument. I had no clue what the names of things were. Still can do it, to the amusement of my family, friends...my animals. :)
Same, fam! 👍❤️
@@lulumoon6942 Wonderful!! A kindred spirit!!
That's awesome!! Develop your talents! You'll thank yourself later. Also had musical abilities since childhood, did not develop them. Now I'm interested but don't know almost anything, regretting
@@justacarat2638 Thank you. I wish that I had the time, but I don't anymore
Glad we're hearing the throat singing now and not in the city of Urgench in 1221
I don't think throat singing common among Mongol during those times
this Inuit "throat singing" game sounds more like traditional singing styles of Sami and Karelians, than Mongols and North-Eastern Turkic people.
Heilung way of singing is more similar to Central Asian way of throat singing. It's more rythmic and short than Mongoliam / North-Eastern Turkic throat singing.
I personally don’t believe that either Magyars, Avars nor Huns did throat singing. The theme of Total War Attila is there because Huns are portrayed like earlier versions of Mongols.
Indeed we can’t know for sure since there’s no reason to believe that that type of overtone throat singing necessarily reaches back to those times, it may be more recent for all we know.
That said Attila: Total War does get a pass in my book since it’s a soundtrack; it’s not meant to literally recreate the sounds of those cultures, since Ancient Roman music wasn’t duduks + modern orchestras either, but it’s not meant to indicate they’re Armenian, it’s just the soundtrack logic of “vaguely sounds ancient and like how we imagine that culture.”
Hungarian here, and AFAIK we didnt. We actually do have connections with the musical culture of other (former) steppe nomads, but it is not overtone singing.
Yeah throat singing actually didn't spread much among steppe nomad more likely developed specifically in Altai
Mongol during those era more likely didn't do throat singing either.
And reason throat singing are trademarked of mongol music tradition because it being folk song who survived from Bolshevik purge and most Mongol elite costume include their music extinct due to purge
Funny enough, I also remember coming across overtone singing before it "became cool". I even taught myself how to do Kargyraa singing, skills from which I later used to teach myself metal vocals
Fascinating video as always! I especially like the idea that cultures should be understood on their own terms rather than through the perspective of foreigners.
A random thought, but the female singers near the end of the video sounded much more similar to Alpine yodelling than throat singing.
Farya, this very noble man I had the privilege to know and love, tenderly (and was indeed blessed to call grandfather, which still seems like a miracle because none of his descendents carry on his humility and wisdom) used to say: "Τοσα ξερουν, τοσα κάνουν." (tosa xeroun, tosa kanoun) = "So much they know, so much they do".
Thank you, Farya, for knowing more. Thank you for posting all you do, so we can all know.
Real or not, categories are a fundamental part of how We interact with reality and make sense of it, thus it is important to approach them responsibly. Thanks for the breakdown, I definitely learned a lot of new tings from it!
That's pretty interesting, I had no idea that the term "throat singing" was slapped on stuff that doesn't sound even remotely related to the mongolian technique. As a musician I completely agree on the acoustic categorization, and although I never actually phrased what I consider throat singing to be, when you mentioned overtones I immediately knew you're talking about the same thing I thought of. Geography definitely plays a huge part in how cultures affect each other, but in regards to acoustic technique it would definitely be possible for physically distant cultures to come up with the same techniques as our bodies work pretty similarly in the end, so I'd definitely approach the topic primarily from an acoustic perspective (but as a musician who is not incredibly interested in history I guess I'm probably biased already :D). Thanks for taking the time to explain the topic in such detail, greetings from Hungary!
Perhaps the singing specifically in death metal, where the singer is almost growling the lyrics, better fits the term "Throat Singing." That kind of singing is probably a category in its own right, and I wonder if it has ever appeared in the past in other parts of the world.
Mechanically, false chord screaming in death metal and kargyraa throat singing are very similar, to the point where learning kargyraa makes learning death metal vocals much easier. Both use the false chords to create their sound. Death metal uses no true chord whereas kargyraa does. What's funny is when you start diving into the death metal scene and seeing the terminology used to describe the various techniques, they're all as vague and nonsensical as what Farya is talking about here.
I can do kargyraa but not the other types of throat singing, at least not well. Mechanically, they exist more in position of the back of the tongue to create extra noises rather than anything in the actual throat, but I could just be doing them wrong.
I agree with your speech that's why I have trouble with the concept of cultural appropriation especially when it's about music. I think music is universal and that it brings us together for a very very long time !
I was first introduced to "Inuit throat singing" by solo artist Tanya Tagaq in Toronto in 2012 The term was used by her.
When I was wayching your monolog about overton singing it came to my mind poliphonic overtone singing by Anna-Maria Hefele and her performance called Adesana... Thanks for your wide-spectrum-music channel. 👏
I had considered katajjak related to overtone singing before but this video made me realize it was because I was too influenced by Tanya Tagaq's work. She is Inuit but adapts katajakk into a solo singer context. She will often hold out the low-pitch katajjak noises into longer notes which I had forgotten are usually much more staccato in traditional katajjak games. The low-pitch notes she sings use the same base sound as Tuvan kargyraa and sometimes have overtones but it's not to the same degree as kargyraa where the overtone is so prominent. Great video, thanks for helping me realize this!
ı can listen to quebec man till morning for real
Used to bring joy to myself with overtone singing from a very young age, then learned decades later from Richard Feynman about the Tuvans, little did I know I was only beginning... 🎉
There’s a video on YT of two of the Inuit ladies featured here I saw some time ago that shows a pattern called ‘the saw’, and dang if it doesn’t sound like cutting through wood with a hand saw!
Ohh and in modern/recent times Inuit people have been releasing song and albums and singing live doing what they call throat singing. It did used to just be solely a game to make each other laugh though
you look like you came straight out of the Ethnicities of the Achaemenid Army on Darius the Great's tomb in this video. Badass
perhaps what the inuit and ainu do could be called something like "vocal breath games/singing" while mongols get to keep the original term?
Great option, I’d definitely support that!
@@faryafaraji thought of it on the spot, could make some kind of tree of singing classification
I would be interested in a video of music and rhythms from Mesoamerica and the Andes Regions. To maybe get a close idea of the sounds of the time. I find your videos very interesting and your music to be quite creative. Keep up the good work.
There aren’t a lot of useful records regarding the topic. The problem is that the chronists who wrote down the records we do have, none of them were musicians so they would end up using vague descriptors that only help give a look at what the music was at the time. Though for example with the inca, it is known their rhythms were not at all what they were now, they had at least one rhythmic mode for victory dances and the pattern was more like 1, 1-2. What we do have is the notations of a lot of music written in the viceroyalty period which sometimes did include syncretized forms of the indigenius music wrapped around the otherwise very european-esque character as a lot of these would be like hymns and other baroque music. Though again with the example of the inca, we do actually know what scales they used since nazcan and inca instruments made of ceramic still exist to this day in pretty good condition. I would recommend the channel Ivan Zignaigo for more about this
But yes essential we do have way more information on the baroque music of the americas than before it. I would not underestimate its worth though, its actually very unique music and it lead to a wide variety of “mestizo” instruments created through the entire spanish empire which exist in the way they evolved to this day. It’s very interesting stuff
htx bro ur music really help me in my life
Thanks man, much love from Canada
The types of throat singing from different cultures may not actually come from the throat and you can use "throat singing" to sound like anything can be mistaken for operatic singing or vice versa.
People would lump in anything they view as "deep exotic chanting music from remote savage cultures" in the category of throat singing. Even today, people still continue to promote this misunderstanding through popular media, history books and pop culture. When I say today, sometimes the people from "throat singing tribal music" cultures would give in to the misunderstanding so they can represent their culture in modern media because the public viewers only see the top layer without looking deeper into the complex history of the music.
One of the reasons why categorizations exist because we humans cannot understand ambiguity and we can change vague definitions as we explore new discoveries. Even if the internet changes everyday to include more representation, there are still areas where people are still conformed to simple stereotypes such as in radio, television and books. Although it is alright for people to conform to simple stereotypes, sometimes it is too much so they develop a misunderstanding which passes down from generation to generation and they believe the simple stereotypes for their whole entire lives which not even the history classes they attend will change them.
One of the most strangest things I heard from other people is that modern Greeks still hate Iranians (Persians and probably Turks because of the cultural influence from Persia) today just because of the historical conflict dating back from the "Ancient Greco-Persian wars", despite the fact that they have all changed throughout history and some of them are still friends today. I have heard that the modern day Parsi and other Zoroastrians still despise Alexander the Great and the Arab Muslims just because of history even though there are some who have changed from their views.
Couldn’t agree more! Especially that often peoples from these cultures have to give in to the stereotype because that’s what the system demands, and it’s the only way you can promote your culture.
I had similar experiences where I was asked by non-Iranian indie game developers to produce Iranian themed music, but their idea of Iranian was more that generic “Middle-Eastern/desert-y sound” with Armenian duduks and Indian sitars thrown in. In these cases if I produce actual Iranian music authentically, it’s rejected; so you almost have to compromise and create 50% stereotypical bullshit so that at least the other 50% of authenticity can pass
@@faryafaraji The same goes for Chinese and Taiwanese cultures because there many different diverse ethnicities and cultures in both Taiwan and China and yet only one of them is represented in pop culture and media. Even Australia have this same issue.
@@greygamertales1293 Would that be the Mandarin-language centric culture in China? Same happens for us Iranians, people interchangebly use the terms Iranian and Persian, but Persians are only one of the Iranian peoples (definitely the dominant ones historically, but Iranian culture is still so much bigger than just the Persian element, I’m not Persian myself for example). Funnily enough my good friend Shanti is from a Teochew speaking family, a sub-group of the Chaoshan Min language, so that’s the only Chinese culture I’m minimally acquainted with.
@@faryafaraji Yes, it is the majority of the Mandarin language centric culture that gets overrepresented in pop culture. I tried to find mentions of Hakka, Cantonese or Hoklo cultures in predominately American pop culture but I only got a few mentions. The Taiwanese Indigenous peoples don't even get a true representation in Taiwan's own pop culture.
I have similar feelings/opinion about this topic to you (prolly because it's an objective statement not an opinion), lack of proper terminology has been an issue for a long time now. Even overtone singing doesn't really work (and doesn't encompass all central asian throat styles... )
I guess I share some of the experiences as well, while I had known how to sing early on, I started learning the "big three" techniques before internet even knew it existed and nobody thought about setting up the khoomii forum, thanks to direct exposure by a mongolian musician (in a church!). It was a truly magical experience that moved me to the core as a young kid. A different world. Good times for a school kid, felt like I was a part of a secret movement of dark art practitioners (ok not really, finding a teacher other than the dude who first exposed me to it, gave tips after concert, and went back to Mongolia, was impossible and learning sygyt with just a handful of notes and nobody to correct you sucks, not to mention that nobody would tolerate the weird noises stifling the process and making the child self-conscious ).
Excellent video! I agree with everything you said except the part about categories being natural. Categories are a medium through which we process reality in order to incorporate all the different elements we perceive into a cohesive system of meaning, be it religious, cosmological, metaphysical, scientific, etc.
That said, I'm all for them, otherwise you wouldn't be able to... talk about stuff. The problem arises when the categorization itself gets in the way of understanding things themselves, much like what you mentioned about people asking about greek music being "eastern", which is more of an epistemological mistake.
That was very interesting to watch !
Thanks alot!
Just found your channel today, instant fan. Love the content and your perspective
As a musician and simultaneously a history buff, I love this channel, just found it yesterday!!
Very nice video, Farya. Keep it up!
Legit explanation. I personally prefer calling thinks with the original names, so instead of Mongolian throat singing I practice khoomei. Thanks from Buryaad ulas
Personal observation, if you've learned to scream from your threat in a metal band (which is not good for you) may help you throat sing, to me they felt really similar and ended up learning how to do Kargyraa within a couple of minutes.
Noticed some other metal vocalists being able to pick it up quickly too.
I am a greek and i would want to say that i love what you said about greeks and trukish poeple
A great video. Thank you for sharing your valuable time and knowledge with us.
Anthropology and music/ethnomusicology go hand in hand!!! And your black and white "expert" vs Inuit argument was hilarious. Well done.
Of course I had to go look for Inuit music straight from here, just to find out what their actual singing actually sounds like. What came up was katajjaq, mongolian singers (...), some Inuit performers incorporating katajjaq in modern pop music, which I thought was pretty neat tbh, and then, finally, after many search words combinations, YT was gracious enough to present me with this: ua-cam.com/video/CBFAckR_tAA/v-deo.html
Thanks for the link, it’s exquisite!
I think the categories can be further broken down. While every form of melodic singing technically produces overtones, only some of them expressly modulate them independently of the fundamental. You could arguably perform overtone singing without even being guttural, it just doesn't stand out as much.
Right, sygyt is not guttural in any way and it’s one of the three primary Mongolian/Tuvan styles
I would like to hear a full song of your best informed interpretation of what it could sound like, singing and all. I think that would be interesting.
I'm really enjoying working my way through your videos - only discovered your channel last week. I'm totally on board with your analysis here that we should talk about different kinds of overtone singing and chuck "throat singing" as a useful term. I also appreciate your take on how different cultures should be approached as the practitioners see themselves, and how scientific method should be used to reach a better (how?) understanding. I will nit pick about your stance that categories exit outside of the observers. In a deep way, dividing things into categories and making analogies is what thinking is at its core. There are better and worse ways to go about it, but I don't think the categories exist outside of us. You look out and see a plant. Certainly, the thing you are looking at exists, but its "plantness" is open for discussion. It's a minor point - you are working here to clarify categories and make them much more useful. It's a critical part of understanding anything, and I am gaining a lot from how you do this in your videos.
One more point: I have a deeper understanding of classical western music theory than the ordinary bear, yet I find your simplifications to be extremely helpful. I'm thinking here particularly about your discussion of modes. Cheers!
A cool looking dude with based takes, i subscribe
There is some interesting info on using musicological terms themselves and what different cultures regard as music, some having a totally different concept of what we call music, not having an equivalent word, and some other considerations in a book, The Study of Ethnomusicology by Bruno Nettle, so it seems terminology has always been tricky since at least the book was written
Canadian chad flexes his throat singing to non throat singing plebs
I feel so lucky that I never heard of Inuit throat singing before watching this video. I was better informed by not knowing.
Throat singing also exists in South Africa.
Thank you! 👍
People call it throat singing but isn't technically every type of singing is throat singing? Because they all come from the throat? Where else is it going to come from? The nose?
Edit: Nose singing would be pretty dope
We may or may not be able to produce certain sounds from a certain part of our body after eating too much Mexican food and it may or may not be termed singing, but I shan’t go deeper into the subject.
Golden reply
Pour ma part, mon père a toujours était passionné par les musiques dites "des routes de la soie" et par les peuples des steppes. Depuis petit je connaissais donc cette façon su particulière de chanter. Je suis impressionné tout de même par ton exposé.
Common Farya W; knowing to "throat sing" before Batzorig brought it to the mainstream.
I better start flexing about how I can sing muzică populară just in case Romania becomes mainstream
@faryafaraji How the hell did you remember I'm romanian.
@@NessieAndrew It’s the not-Romanian account name, ever since I learned you were Romanian when you said it on Arzal focul first (I think it was that one) the contrast stuck in my memory. It’s like my Romanian friend who is Protestant, you can’t forget that when a Romanian is Protestant lol
@@NessieAndrew Also I remember the algorithm recommending me your Witcher 3 video (good lolz in that one 👌) and I’m pretty sure you mentionned you’re from Eastern Europe at least but I have senile levels of memory so I’m not sure lel
@faryafaraji It's the username I picked as a wee lad. Fate had it that I ended up working in Scotland now, so it's rather fitting.
You know what Farya, I won't forget one Persian Quebecois either.
That British voice is hilarious! XD
Thank you so so much for this /genuine
Very interesting and illuminating, thanks for the great video as always!
Lol, "I'm not a musician" says the guy with hundreds* of hours of deep, thoughtful breakdowns of ethnomusicology and myriad absolutely beautiful reconstructionist and original musical performances. yeah sure, you beautiful man, you.
I LOVE this kind of singing!... always try to find some new songs ... but they are so rare... still, it seems like it's spreading rapidly now.
i can't believe there's also scientific/material analysis in music, ain't no wait...
thanks for the analysis!!..to my ears Throat Hypertones a holy sound is like a symphony orchestra in Insects world....a unique sound they transmission in Mikrokosmos(and with Amanita Muscaria cocktail)is in direct conection!lol
Thank you for your informations
The even sillier thing about thinking Greek music should sound more western than Turkish music is that the border of Greece used to stretch into the heart of the Middle East, and the border of Turkey stretched well into what became Yugoslavia.
It would be perfectly understandable if classical Greek music featured instruments and techniques from Iran after the period of Alexander, but a lot of people think Greece is just Aristotle, Peter, and Socrates creating Westernness through the power of their togas or something.
Talking about throat singing and games, I present to you my newest show: IS THIS THROAT SINGING!!
Wow, it's almost like it's such a broad category that it actually should include a lot of western performers, but nobody would say that because it's really defined as something outside of "our culture." Tom Waits, Captain Beefheart, and Howlin' Wolf are a continuous tradition of "throat singing."
I'm fron the green culture and we had the ahsum Joseph Pujol and his amazing butt singing!
First vid here. Based.
Subbed and can't wait for more.
Forgive me, I just found your channel. You articulated my confusion precisely when people use the term "throat singing" for anything that sounds foreign to them, so I can't conscientiously use the term. Especially the Inuit singing, it sounds to me more like competitive choral beatboxing...
which leads to the next question, is beatboxing throat singing?
I learned about throat singing from Balkan nationalist memes. They would show a video of tuvan throat singing and caption it some like, “most European Hungarian”.
Went to watch dune part 1 with a friend who can sing in tuvan technique and when the sardaukar chants started he was singing along
Queuing up this video for when I get home from the commute but was wondering if you've ever considered doing a video on how you learnt various styles of "throat singing" like your turkic stuff, tatar, mongol etc for people that would be interested in picking it up without fucking up their throat. Sorry in advance if u cover this in the video.
That’s a really great idea but tbh I’ve been asked to talk about it before but I have no idea how to explain it lol. I just started imitating sounds but I don’t have the vocabulary required to express exactly how, that said there’s some good videos out there who do it
katajjaq: if I have understood the relevant wikipedia pages correctly, jj is the same sound as the y in farya (but long) and q is the same as arabic qaf, with stress on the last syllable.
While the video is informative as always, I just realized that my guy Farya is really looking 'Iranian' as fuck.
If we could get back to Ctesiphon in like third century AD, we will see at least three people like this: One is tutoring the shah's son, one is a merchant selling olives, and the last one is being judged for stealing ox.
unrelated but you are really handsome
What eyeliner do you use, I like it it looks cool
Thanks! I use the Annabelle Matte Kohl eyeliner, mostly the waterline one
We wana more turkish culture music with your qualty voice ☺
Very informative video from Iranian Roman Reigns.
Inb4 someone says "Sami Joik is Troat Singing"... 😂
tbh i think we should call what Mongolia, Tibet, and Sardinia (among others) just regular old overtone singing. it would throw the whole "throat singing" problem out the window cuz it specifies a certain style they all have in common
Back in '99 I watched an obscure little documentary called "Genghis Blues". Check it out if you haven't.
I now follow your Instagram.
Thanks haha I didn’t expect people to actually do it 😂
UA-cam: have a video about "throat-singing"
Me, autistic: all singing requires a throat, silly
If I had a nickel for every time a california girl tell me something sounds Throaty...
why are you such a gigachad
Awn stop it
Ееее, Тыва вперёд !!!!
Hey, I really love your music and would love to see it more of it on Spotify. Is this something you plan to do?
on the topic of those last couple videos. I don't know if it's academically or politically accepted, but the term "ululating" sprang to mind, which is a lovely word to me because you get an idea of its meaning from the motions your throat makes to vocalize it, which is no coincidence: the Latin name of the owl, ulula, is imitative. If you look up videos of the screech owl it kinda sounds like that Tibetan woman! (Screech owl, on the other hand, is an ugly misnomer IMO)
good vid
as general, i don't mind misspronotoniations(i butcher the word) in any field if it is from someone who does not know.The problem would be generaly this was happening from profesionals while they are workning. for example: if someone random guy says that all autists are the same, that is ok, he can't tell the difrence and in the end he did not harm anyone.But if is someone from a medical neurological/psychological backround field says this claim, yeah there is a problem because he might diagnose wrong someone as non autistic or will not see any warning sighs in an andiagnosed autistic person. is short: there is problem when a profesional makes a mistake in general or in details. any random ytb comment (such as mine) does not matter.
I feel you but at the same time I’m on the fence about having lower standards for the common person, which is basically what this entails. I may be somewhat idealistic, but in a world where knowledge is democratised, I don’t see why we shouldn’t expect a higher standart of knowledge for the layperson.
Ultimately though, the two concepts are intertwined. If academics use terminology correctly, there’ll be more chances that the majority of people will too, which is the problem here. It’s not one or two random people on the Internet who have misconceptions about throat singing due to the vague terminology, it’s almost everyone
@@faryafaraji meh, the general terms that are incorrectly used are simply more easy and laconic to use, not accurate. The majority of people in an specific subject prefer the quick not the elaborate answer. But, still, occasionally both the pop opinion or the factually one are and can be both wrong and right.