Queen Mary's Crown - the Coronation Crown of Queen Consort Camilla

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  • #queencamilla #coronation #queenmary
    Buckingham Palace announced yesterday that Camilla, the Queen Consort will be crowned in May with Queen Mary’s crown, the crown made for and used by Queen Mary at the 1911 coronation. That is a very sensible decision - a good political and aesthetic choice. In this short video I thought I would talk through the history and significance of the crown for you and why I think it is such a good decision.
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  • @allanbarton
    @allanbarton  Рік тому +41

    Hello everybody, thanks for all the comments about the reduction in the number of crown arches. I produced the video before that detail was made public. It will be most interesting to see how that looks.

    • @reggiebosanquet1525
      @reggiebosanquet1525 Рік тому +10

      Hello, I'm a bit disappointed about this! Queen Mary's Crown looks really superb as it is! I think the reduction to 4 half arches will make the Crown look a bit 'empty'. The arches themselves are very thin and beautifully shaped. I hope it will look ok on the day!

    • @rickynewport6339
      @rickynewport6339 Рік тому +9

      I agree with this comment. I think they should have left the arches alone.

    • @annabellelee4535
      @annabellelee4535 Рік тому +2

      Perhaps it will make the crown more comfortable to wear? I am so looking forward to seeing the coronation. I've bought a couple of books on Queen Mary so I will be able to understand any references to her, LOL.

    • @ChatLibre2210
      @ChatLibre2210 Рік тому +4

      @@reggiebosanquet1525
      I *TOTALLY* agree with you !
      Why remove 4 out of 8 arches ? It seems to me that this was not necessary... It looks good as it is. The Crown will look quite small compared to King Charles'. Too bad !!!
      I would have preferred Queen Camilla to wear the crown of Queen Elizabeth, the wife of King George VI at their Coronations. They were a better match. 👑+👑

    • @ChatLibre2210
      @ChatLibre2210 Рік тому +2

      @@rickynewport6339
      I totally agree with you.✌👍

  • @girliboi
    @girliboi Рік тому +15

    mary's 1911 crown feels decidedly more art nouveau than art deco to me.. . i get strong deco elements from elizabeth's 1937 crown, but i guess maybe that's just me.

    • @timhazeltine3256
      @timhazeltine3256 Рік тому +7

      Yes, 1910 is a bit early for the Art Deco style, but within the bounds of the Art Nouveau style. Its Art Nouveau motifs include an emphasis on curvilinear forms and delicate attenuated profiles. Very unlike the Queen Mother's Art Deco crown with its chunky geometric, almost angular forms and profiles.

  • @callioscope
    @callioscope Рік тому

    Actually, I thought South Africa feels the same way about the Cullanan diamonds as India feels about its great stone.

  • @justinwilliams7290
    @justinwilliams7290 Рік тому

    Part of me likes this and part of my still doesn't get it... If they don't alter it, it would still show that controversial diamond's setting... That being said this crown has the same design/ arches as the imperial crown of India and really is from a time of empire, that in itself seems controversial. I know the arches are removable but if they are it will change the look and be a little too small looking imo. I hope they add the small diamond in the monde cross and somehow have the large pear set en Tremblant or dangling in the cross.

  • @alexrafe2590
    @alexrafe2590 Рік тому +2

    When is everyone going to drop the clunky ponderous address of Camilla, as ‘Queen Consort Camilla,’ for heaven’s sake! Referring to her as just the ‘Queen Consort’ sometimes to avoid the repetition of Queen Camilla makes sense, but not the ridiculous piling on of explanatory modification adjectives with her title every time she’s mentioned. Yes everyone knows she’s a consort because she’s the wife of King Charles. Just like every other wife of every other King of England for the last millennium. You don’t hear Queen Mary referred to as Queen Consort Mary in this video, or Alexandra as Queen Consort Alexandra. Or more to the point, Queen Consort Matilde of Belgium, Queen Consort Letitia of Spain, or Queen Consort Sylvia of Sweden. Yes I get that there was an effort to distinguish her title from that of the woman who reigned as Elizabeth II for seven decades, but her death was six months ago. I think everyone with a smidgen of intelligence understands the difference in their respective roles by now. No one constantly went around referring to Charles’ mother as ‘Queen Regnant Elizabeth’ for 70 years.
    Give it a rest. She’s Queen Camilla. Enough said.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      I know it is annoying, but it is the Palace's choice and until they change it I won't. Primarily as I get moans and groans from people objecting the other way and I've only got so much life to deal with them! I already have filters set up to deal with all the nasty expletives and insults people throw at Her Majesty the Quern.

    • @alexrafe2590
      @alexrafe2590 Рік тому

      @@allanbarton oh well then, if that’s the way they want to present her who am I to moan? I don’t think they’re doing her any favours.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      @@alexrafe2590 I agree, I think the Palace made a conscious decision with this as it is close to the title Princess Consort that she was expected to take. I do expect them to drop the Consort nonsense after the coronation.

  • @CaliWeHo
    @CaliWeHo Рік тому

    It's beautiful; but why the French Fleur de Lis?

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      The fleur-de-lys is not a French symbol per se, but a symbol of the purity Virgin Mary - it was part of our medieval and Tudor crowns for that reason and has simply continued. The French adopted it too because of its association with Mary.

    • @TheMoonRover
      @TheMoonRover Рік тому +1

      Also worth noting that the English and later British Monarchs technically claimed the French Throne from 1340-1800 (originating from a territorial claim by Edward III, ending with the Acts of Union between Great Britain and Ireland, by which point France was a Republic anyway).

    • @postscript67
      @postscript67 Рік тому +1

      @@TheMoonRover Wasn't the claim to France dropped as part of the Treaty of Amiens in 1802, the brief peace between the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars?

  • @susanlangley4294
    @susanlangley4294 Рік тому +48

    This one has always been my favourite. I especially like the delicacy of the curls supporting the central globe/orb.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +7

      Agreed, the other crowns though elegant look rather clunky compared to this.

  • @drogers6048
    @drogers6048 Рік тому +48

    An excellent choice, especially as this crown was created with the intention of being reused by subsequent consorts. Avoids the unnecessary excess of commissioning a new crown, also the controversy of the late Queen Mother's crown.

  • @aarthur2803
    @aarthur2803 Рік тому +3

    I'm not sure I agree that Queen Mary's crown will become the go-to crown for the consort in future.
    When William and Catherine are crowned, for example, if Camilla is still alive then presumably she would want to wear 'her' crown to that coronation so Catherine would have to find something else - perhaps the queen mother's crown?

  • @epicemuchilz
    @epicemuchilz Рік тому +31

    I've grown so fond of this series, that whenever a new piece of information about the coronation comes out I immediately wonder: what is Allan's take on this? ☺

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +6

      Thank you! So glad you're enjoying the series.

  • @Farrah300
    @Farrah300 Рік тому +8

    Allan, I agree with the choice as it's quite frankly a beautiful crown.

  • @bevinboulder5039
    @bevinboulder5039 Рік тому +26

    This is a very sensible decision for multiple reasons. I'll be interested to see how the Cullinan stones are set in it. Thanks for keeping us updated on the Coronation!

  • @janetwilcock2120
    @janetwilcock2120 Рік тому +93

    This is an excellent choice. Queen Mary commissioned and paid for her crown at her own expense and wanted it to be used for future Queens Consort so it is nice that it will finally be used again after 112 years. It also sidesteps the tricky problem of the Koh-i-Noor which is claimed by multiple countries. Cullinan III, IV and V were all the personal property of Queen Mary which she left to her granddaughter Queen Elizabeth II and they have been set in her crown before so only minor adjustments will have to be made. As the diamonds were interchangeable they can easily be removed so that Queen Camilla can wear them as brooches again. I look forward to seeing it at the Coronation.

    • @charliesmith_
      @charliesmith_ Рік тому +5

      🧡 very apropos x

    • @bobevans9996
      @bobevans9996 Рік тому

      make croronation grandest - world is so down with usa's pandemic n wars - we all need sth - thrones carriages robes jewels ... all there already - give world a gift of hope - only britain got it - china n myanmar no more n japan is not grand - palace of wood n paper n plain furniture - no throne - my dad's hse is teak n furniture so ornate - beat japan's emperor's
      -----------
      britain got the best - pls - show it share it - dont' cheat british/world of sth nice

    • @nickimontie
      @nickimontie Рік тому +6

      It's beautiful! I like it more than the others.

    • @chrishughes2068
      @chrishughes2068 Рік тому +9

      I agree, the choice of using Queen Mary's crown is a very sensible idea.
      When Queen Mary attended her sons coronation in 1937 the détachable arches were removed and so the crown was worn as a circlet.
      The Koh-i-Nor diamond had been removed to be put into the new queen consorts crown. Queen Mary filled the hole in her crown/circlet by using the Cullinan V diamond brooch, perhaps it could be done again for Queen Camilla.

    • @annabellelee4535
      @annabellelee4535 Рік тому +8

      I'm excited and really can't wait! It will be in the middle of the night here in California probably, so I will make up a English tea and something sweet and watch the historic event! I love the fact that Queen Mary designed the crown so the gems were detachable to wear as brooches. That is so practical!

  • @sandybruce9092
    @sandybruce9092 Рік тому +8

    A fabulous choice! I’m so hoping that we will be able to see the Coronation live here in the US. I’m in the East Coast and I think the time change is 5 hours from London. Marking my calendar!!!!!

    • @bobevans9996
      @bobevans9996 Рік тому +1

      lots of british americans here will do same - expats too

  • @amymahers2957
    @amymahers2957 Рік тому +5

    So interesting. Not having kings and queens don’t know the protocol. Thank you for helping us Yanks work thru all this.

    • @mariahoulihan9483
      @mariahoulihan9483 Рік тому

      Sorry, but people from the USA are fond of mentioning you don;t know protocol. Neither do the British people as a whole.. its not about protocol. It evolves with different Monarchs and Consorts preferences and prevailing tastes and being mindful for what is going on in the country at the time. A crown is always an extravgent item, by definition, but its telling there has been no push to make a new crown.. there being plenty to choose from in the Crown Jewels.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      My pleasure, most Brits won't be familiar with the ins and outs of it either, it's been a long time since we've had a British coronation ceremony! Thanks for watching.

  • @Patricia-gn5bi
    @Patricia-gn5bi Рік тому +6

    Great video. Your hard work is very much appreciated.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @gingerninjawhinger9986
    @gingerninjawhinger9986 Рік тому +5

    I have to admit to liking both of the crowns of Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth; I was concerned that removing the four arches over the fleurs-de-lys from Queen Mary's crown would make it appear a little sparce, but it won't be too dissimilar to that of Queen Elizabeth.

    • @piplebref4607
      @piplebref4607 Рік тому +1

      Someone I follow on Instagram did a photoshop mock-up of it with just the four half-arches. It looks incredibly elegant.

    • @janeknight3597
      @janeknight3597 Рік тому +1

      I wonder if removing the arches is a way of Queen Camilla trying not to be ostentatious. The design is lovely as it is and needs some presence of its own to be visible during the ceremony.

  • @wholeNwon
    @wholeNwon Рік тому +2

    I wonder whether she has a guilty conscience.

  • @AsagaoSTL
    @AsagaoSTL Рік тому +3

    Will George wear a crown? Seeing Elizabeth in her child-sized one has me wondering.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +4

      He is entitled to wear a coronet.

    • @mariahoulihan9483
      @mariahoulihan9483 Рік тому

      No Crowns arefor people who are CROWNED in Coronations. He will wear a Coronet.

  • @mariarose9319
    @mariarose9319 Рік тому +2

    My crown is not come from the people His from the Lord God Jesus Christ in Heaven 🙏♥️

  • @redpill5471
    @redpill5471 Рік тому +2

    First I enjoy your channel very much . I'm looking forward to the actual coronation. It would be nice if Camilla was only getting the title of king's consort. Putting queen in front of it seems disrespectful considering all in all. I'm happy they are able to be in love now but the means of achievement was and is still disturbing and not right nor fair to all parties involved.

  • @ParkAvenue34
    @ParkAvenue34 Рік тому +1

    I don't like that Crown. It looks heavy, uncomfortable and.....well, Old Fashioned.
    That Tiara on her in the 👈Left side of the picture looks absolutely stunning on The Queen.

  • @scottmccarter861
    @scottmccarter861 Рік тому +4

    Thank you Alan. May i ask when the next video on the coronation service is coming?

  • @henrygingold6549
    @henrygingold6549 Рік тому +3

    "Queen Consort" is NOT a title, it's a rank. No one ever referred to the Queen Mother; Queen Mary; Queen Alexandra; Queen Adelaide; the Charlottes or even Mary of Modena as "Queen Consort". The very instant Queen Elizabeth died, Camilla became Queen. I'm sick and tired of people trying to devalue Queen Camilla, she is a nice lady and the perfect partner for our new King. As to the Koh-in-Noor diamond, tell Modi to concentrate on his own people and trying to bring India into the modern world without cruelty and racism.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Agreed, it is an expedient at the moment, I'm sure sense will prevail and her proper title used.

  • @norlington2
    @norlington2 Рік тому +4

    The Palace is quoted as saying that the profile of Queen Mary's Crown will be lowered and the half-arches reduced from 8 to 4.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      It is very major work being done. The arches are removable, so it would make sense. Hmm, how did I miss that!

    • @charliesmith_
      @charliesmith_ Рік тому

      Excellent x

  • @TuckerSP2011
    @TuckerSP2011 Рік тому +15

    This particular crown is so elegant. I love the lines of it. The work that goes into these pieces is incredible.

  • @earendil57
    @earendil57 Рік тому +3

    Thanks for this latest video, your channel has become essential viewing. Cheers from 🇦🇺

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      Thank you very much, glad you're enjoying my videos!

  • @lindymcbroom953
    @lindymcbroom953 Рік тому +2

    Allan Barton Thank you for this I have got "Coronation fever" I Cannot wait!!! I Love your channel and the "Coronation Specials "

  • @cindys2617
    @cindys2617 Рік тому +12

    I had to laugh at Queen Elizabeth referring to the 94 ct and 63 ct Cullinan III and IV as "granny's chips". I can only assume this was delivered tongue-in-cheek. At least I hope so.
    Although I have a lot of reservations about the future of the British Monarchy as it presents itself in 2023, I love your work and learning more about the historical basis for what we're seeing today.

    • @Shalott63
      @Shalott63 Рік тому +4

      I think the chips thing refers to the other gems being so to speak 'leftovers' when Cullinans I and II were created from the raw Cullinan diamond. Cullinans III-IX, although all impressive, are all small in comparison with I and II, which are monsters.

    • @gwendixon74
      @gwendixon74 Рік тому +1

      @@Shalott63 it was 3 and 4 in particular when she would where them as a broach. always made me giggle as well
      I would assume the very small 'chips' would be integrated in there collection of gems and through out the crown/s

    • @Shalott63
      @Shalott63 Рік тому

      @@gwendixon74 I didn't mean to deny that the term was meant humorously, just to say that it depended on the relative sizes of the stones - big compared with regular diamonds would still be small compared with the two largest. As for what most people would call the chips, I gather that as well as the nine biggest numbered gems I-IX there were also 96 'small brilliants', as well as a lot of small leftover material that they didn't bother to cut into gemstones (perhaps they got used for industrial purposes). I would agree that the small brilliants were probably distributed around, and very probably the smaller diamonds in e.g. Queen Mary's crown, and for that matter other pieces of her jewellery such as the Cullinan V brooch, include a lot from that source.

  • @beastoz
    @beastoz Рік тому +13

    As glorious as it was, I was never a great fan of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother's crown. It seemed jarring next to both St Edward's Crown and the Imperial State Crown. I always felt Queen Mary's crown was a more aesthetically pleasing design, and the decision to re-use it (which seems very likely to have had considerable input from Queen Camilla) is a good one for all the reasons you've sited. I'm trying to imagine how different it will look with four of the half-arches removed but I think it will look even more delicate and somewhat etherial.

    • @leahnichol6665
      @leahnichol6665 Рік тому +1

      I read that the eight arches were considered a European tradition at the time of Queen Alexandra’s coronation. She did several things with her coronation outfit which were continental. She was crowned as a Danish person. I would love to see her gown. She had the gold tissue made in India. It must be magnificent.

    • @beastoz
      @beastoz Рік тому +2

      @@leahnichol6665 spot on, just do a quick search for the crowns of Denmark, Sweden and Norway and you will see them with the extra arches.

  • @javerret1980
    @javerret1980 Рік тому +1

    Yes Excellent Choice!! She does deserve it after a Lifetime Commitment to King Charles, ann to Her Country. #GoCamilla

  • @dukeofhaas
    @dukeofhaas Рік тому +2

    For gem and jewelry nerds like me, it's a dream come true to have the opportunity to view Cullinan I through V at one single event. Hopefully the Camilla Crown, which has a nice ring to it, won't be dismantled following the coronation and thus provide the opportunity for the public to view Cullinan III, IV, and V at the Tower of London. Indeed, most people do not realize that the Cullinan III through IX diamonds were the personal property of the late Queen Elizabeth II and therefore it must be assumed they now belong to her son and heir. Finally, many folks are unaware that the Cullinan Brooch, comprised of Cullinan III and IV, was the most valuable singular object personally owned by Queen Elizabeth II. I hope that mounting these diamonds (along with Cullinan V) into Queen Mary's crown will be seen as an historical precedent, thereby causing these important diamonds to be considered Crown property, just like Cullinan I and II.

  • @ludovica8221
    @ludovica8221 Рік тому +16

    So interesting and how typical of our self-effacing and practical new Queen to do this with no ugly drama

  • @smsaaristo
    @smsaaristo Рік тому +3

    I like the design of this crown better anyway. Good choice 👑

  • @pamelaschutz1248
    @pamelaschutz1248 Рік тому +19

    I think this is an absolutely exquisite crown! It is very delicate and floral, in keeping with the Coronation Emblem, and the King's interest in flowers. Glad that the Cullinan diamonds, gifted from my country over a century ago, are going to take centre stage!

  • @henrykenyon7341
    @henrykenyon7341 Рік тому +1

    should of been dianas.. she,ll never be my queen

  • @TerryC69
    @TerryC69 Рік тому +2

    Hi Allan! Another piece of the puzzle falls into place. I wonder what will be revealed to us next. Blessings to you and your family!

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Blessings to you and yours Terry

  • @alecblunden8615
    @alecblunden8615 Рік тому +2

    I cannot see any reason for controversy re the Koh-I- Noor.. It was legally acquired and it is a nonsense to assume that ownership is constantly up for renegotiation.

  • @androidangel787
    @androidangel787 Рік тому +1

    If Im not mistaken, Queen Elizabeth II was onxe questiones about adding more crown jewels, to which responded "we already have ro many crowns". The jewels are symbols of the monarchy and of England. Time and history give this symbols their importance and Im glad the consort queen will follow those footsteps

  • @mrgm99
    @mrgm99 Рік тому +2

    I have heard that 4 of its 8 arches will be removed to match the shape of both the Imperial State Crown and St. Edward's Crown.

  • @cactusrandomfred1
    @cactusrandomfred1 Рік тому +1

    When Queen Mary wore her crown in 1937, the Cullinan V brooch was placed in the front cross in the place of the kohinoor. Seems likely that this will happen again as they know it can be done.

  • @balesjo
    @balesjo Рік тому +11

    I like the idea that historic crowns are used instead of having new ones made for coronations. The existing crowns convey a sense of history and continuity in the coronation. Queen Mary's crown is definitely a beauty.

  • @WBCRO
    @WBCRO Рік тому +2

    I read that QAlexandra’s crown and QMary’s crown had eight arches - four as Queen and four as Empress. If that’s the true reason for having eight arches, I’m confused why QElizabeth’s 1937 crown had only four arches. Can anyone help with this little mystery? I think I also read yesterday that QCamilla will have four arches removed from the Consort’s crown. That flows with the Queen/Empress 4 + 4 theory.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      I'd not heard that theory - you may be on to something there as the Delhi Durbar crown has eight arches too. It would be an easy matter to remove four arches from Queen Mary's crown as they are all detachable, so we may well see that. How interesting.

    • @WBCRO
      @WBCRO Рік тому +1

      @@allanbarton Thank you for the insight with the DD Tiara. Could you please put a pin in this little mystery and mention it as a follow up in a future video if you come across any information concerning it? I would be most grateful!! All the best, from Canada!

    • @andrewnelson3403
      @andrewnelson3403 Рік тому

      I heard this theory as well. Would the remaining four arches represent England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

  • @annarenevictor9981
    @annarenevictor9981 Рік тому +1

    I've always loved Queen Mary's crown so will be sad to see it altered but fully understand and agree with the choice. Wonder how it will be displayed in the future though; original or altered...

  • @errollucyk5404
    @errollucyk5404 Рік тому +1

    I thought the Cullinan's were as controversial as the Koh-i-Noor

  • @jeanbeget
    @jeanbeget Рік тому +4

    Queen Camilla doing great job as Queen

  • @carolburns8667
    @carolburns8667 Рік тому +3

    Appreciate the wonderful explanation 👏🏻🇨🇦

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

  • @andrewnelson3403
    @andrewnelson3403 Рік тому +2

    Thank you Dr. Barton for your sharing your knowledge and dedication to scholarship. Happy to be an armchair student and always learn from your video lectures.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      My pleasure, glad you're enjoying my channel!

  • @PGPyramid1
    @PGPyramid1 Рік тому +1

    Such a good job they had a spare crown to fall back on! I'd have had to go with the other one, not having a spare.

  • @ChrisHunt4497
    @ChrisHunt4497 Рік тому +3

    What a stylish design. I love it. Thank you for your description. When I saw it in the newspaper I thought, must hear what Allan has to say. So pleased we have you to talk us through it. 😀😀😀😀

    • @Farrah300
      @Farrah300 Рік тому +1

      Chris Hunt, I absolutely agree.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      Very happy to oblige! Glad you're enjoying these coronation videos 😊

  • @jacquieclapperton9758
    @jacquieclapperton9758 Рік тому

    Queen Mary wore the Cullinan V brooch in place of the Koh-i-noor (which was removed for QE's crown) in her crown at the 1936 coronation. Surely that layout would be most likely given that alterations were made to fit the three Cullinans in 1936, two in their original places?

  • @phineas117
    @phineas117 Рік тому +1

    truly an excellent choice. and it's a beautiful crown without the arches too. i wonder if Camilla will wear it as a diadem?

  • @lillianwilliams5510
    @lillianwilliams5510 Рік тому +1

    No!!!!

  • @carmenfoster6912
    @carmenfoster6912 Рік тому +2

    Dr Barton exceptional study as usual very informative and impressive information

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @TorchwoodPandP
    @TorchwoodPandP Рік тому +2

    Personally, I think C5 should go into the cross on top, C3 into the round part of the front cross, possibly to dangle? And C4 to remain on the band. I think that would get the balance right. I’m excited to see the result, and love the choice.

    • @dorisschneider-coutandin9965
      @dorisschneider-coutandin9965 Рік тому

      My preference as well. I would love to see the jewels mounted to the crown in exactly this way. And bummer that they allegedly will get rid of half of the arches. I think this move is made to make the crown look more modest, no longer "imperial", not too over the top and ostentatious these days.

  • @gubjorggisladottir3525
    @gubjorggisladottir3525 Рік тому

    Thinking about the possible future - I wonder it Camilla will outlive Charles. What will be done during Will´s and Kate´s coronation? Will Camilla then attend that coronation wearing this crown or what. If Charles outlives Camilla, I expect Kate to choose between those 3 crowns. Well that is a decision that will be made when the time comes, influenced by what happens between now and then.

  • @rosendoreyes5793
    @rosendoreyes5793 Рік тому

    😂 Camilla should have chosen the Queen Alexandra's crown and I am sure that alice keppel would be proud! Hahaha

  • @roberthossen8354
    @roberthossen8354 Рік тому

    Do you know whter the number of half arches will be reduced to 4 instead of 8? In my opnion making a new
    consort's crown would be silly, as there are enough consort's crowns.

  • @CharlotteinWeimar
    @CharlotteinWeimar Рік тому +1

    I love your videos and find them very informative. Like you I also love the choice of Queen Mary's crown and think it will look even better with just four half arches. However you are incorrect about Queen Camilla being tall. I have met her and she was the same height as me, which is only five feet three tall. It was Diana who was about five feet eight tall, and through her the two princes are over six feet tall, whereas The King is said to be only five feet nine.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      It is a fantastic choice, it will be interesting to see it adapted. That's interesting what you've said about her height, all the sources I read said she was 5 foot 8, the King 5 foot 10 and the late Princess Diana 5 foot 10 too. Is she shorter than the late Queen who was 5 foot 4?

    • @CharlotteinWeimar
      @CharlotteinWeimar Рік тому +1

      @@allanbarton Her late Majesty was indeed said to be 5'3" to 5'4" tall in her youthful prime but lost a great deal of height in later years. The King, who I have also met, is no more than 5 foot 9" tall and if you see photos of him standing with Queen Camilla she is no taller than his eyebrows. Until Diana joined the royal family all the royal ladies were shorter than average, and I believe Queen Mary, who always looks so imperious, was in reality quite tiny. It has been interesting to see how well her various tiaras and jewellery suit Queen Camilla, and that may have influenced her choice of crown. When The King and Queen are seen next to Catherine, she towers above both of them. Google has a good picture of all three standing together. I now look forward to more of your videos.

  • @richardring272
    @richardring272 Рік тому

    I am surprised that the Queen Consort is using Queen Mary's crown instead of Queen Alexandra or Queen Mary of Modena.

  • @oseasviewer7108
    @oseasviewer7108 Рік тому

    Elegant simplicity is the key for the crown's wearer to look classic and stylish - BUT who will be wearing the coronation necklace?

  • @luukxd123
    @luukxd123 Рік тому

    I do think it is good it is reused, however not by Camilla. The two represent everything Mary was disgusted about in her own son. I find it uttermost respectless to the late queen.

  • @garytaylor903
    @garytaylor903 Рік тому

    Why not use/borrow the cabochon emerald from the Greville kokoshnik tiara to replace the kohinoor the color green is said to represent life, luck, wealth and rebirth all that the Uk should hope to gain under the scepter of the future king and queen consort.

  • @kenatl9435
    @kenatl9435 Рік тому +1

    I am most curious to see how the front cross will be reconfigured to accommodate a smaller and differently shaped stone. I do think that reconfiguring the cross is a better choice than leaving a stone crystal in it.

  • @Lisette777
    @Lisette777 Рік тому

    I'm glad they are removing the Koh-i-noor. I also love the elegant and restrained look of it - Art Deco got so many things right!

  • @susanorr8348
    @susanorr8348 Рік тому +1

    I think Queen Mary’s crown is more elegant and delicate than the queen mums crown and more stylish than Queen Alexandra’s.

  • @tangentyoung5633
    @tangentyoung5633 Рік тому

    In my opinion, the crown looks unfinished and scanty with the 4 arches.

  • @charlestingley7675
    @charlestingley7675 Рік тому

    What coronet will William use: his father's or the Duke of Windsor's?

  • @marcuscarrington3688
    @marcuscarrington3688 Рік тому +2

    Extremely interesting, informative and very well presented

  • @ReydeCP1122
    @ReydeCP1122 Рік тому +9

    The Cullinan V brooch has actually been set in Queen Mary's crown before! When the Koh-i-Noor was removed and given to Queen Elizabeth, the entire brooch was set in its place so Queen Mary could wear the circlet version of her crown. It is hard to see, since none of the pictures of her wearing it are of very good quality, but if you look hard enough you can see that is the case!

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      It would seem that's the configuration they are going for again then, less four arches.

    • @Shalott63
      @Shalott63 Рік тому +4

      It is indeed a pity that there don't seem to be any good pictures of Queen Mary's crown as worn in 1937, but I agree that if you know what you're looking for you can just tell from some of them that it contains the Cullinan V brooch in the place of the Koh-i-Noor. This is actually very clever: the Cullinan V stone by itself (18.8 carats) is nothing like large enough to fill the space intended for the Koh-i-Noor (105.6 carats) without substantial remodelling of the frame of the crown, but the brooch as a whole is of the right size to fill the space as it is. Another advantage of doing it this way is that the brooch does not need to be broken up, which would be a pity, as although I think not to modern taste it is by now of considerable interest, both for the history (it was made for Queen Mary to wear at the Delhi durbar) and as an example of jewellery design at the time.

  • @nadiabrook7871
    @nadiabrook7871 Рік тому +1

    Another AWESOME video, Allan!! Can't wait to see it all unfolding on Coronation Day!! XXXX 💗❤👍🤴👸

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Neither can I! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊

  • @annm.7176
    @annm.7176 Рік тому +6

    God bless your majesty and please get well

  • @SafetySpooon
    @SafetySpooon Рік тому +1

    I should've put money on it.

  • @kah10161
    @kah10161 Рік тому

    Weren’t there pictures of Queen Mary wearing her crown as a circlet, with the Cullinan V in the front cross? Referring to the coronation of George VI, when she was in the royal box with the future Queen Elizabeth II.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Yes, it replaced the Kohinoor in the front band.

  • @smart6smart6-gd9vx
    @smart6smart6-gd9vx Рік тому

    God bless and Congrats to The Queen

  • @penelopehammerton2907
    @penelopehammerton2907 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Alan another great video. We shall all know what we are looking at, come the day.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!

  • @bryancharlebois
    @bryancharlebois Рік тому

    I'm sending money to upkeep your account. is 100 USD OK?? thank you

  • @1962pjh
    @1962pjh Рік тому

    I am so looking forward to the Coronation! I'll set my alarm for the middle of the night to watch live from where I'm at.

  • @christinesuccop1812
    @christinesuccop1812 Рік тому +15

    Great video. I trust your knowledge of the Coronation with all its customs and rituals more than any others I've seen. Can't wait for May 6! 👸🤴

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +2

      Thanks very much! Glad you're enjoying my coronation series 😊

  • @stevennash7737
    @stevennash7737 Рік тому +1

    Very informative as ever Allen, thank you. Will be interesting to see the final placements of the Cullinan diamonds.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      It will! Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @roycobb8268
    @roycobb8268 Рік тому +1

    First of all, thanks for this video! It was nice and good! That Queen Mary had her own crown 👑👍👊🤜🤛🤗, made for the coronation 👑 she was involved in! And she had no other choice but to get a crown of her own! According to this info on this video! And it's wonderful that the new Queen Camilla, will wear it at the upcoming coronation 👑! God bless the King 🙏 👑! Also his new queen consort, the UK and everybody connected with the coronation 👑! In one way or another!

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed the video!

    • @roycobb8268
      @roycobb8268 Рік тому +1

      @@allanbarton , thank you, God bless you 🙏!

  • @vinceplatini
    @vinceplatini Рік тому +1

    Very interesting!

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @paulheard3316
    @paulheard3316 Рік тому +6

    A very comprehensive reporting, I love it! So many creators of videos out there don't take the time to truly understand what they are reporting on and deliver the news in a convoluted way, either by intention, laziness, or ignorance. You sir have done a briliant job on this informative report. I really feel I understand the intracacy and nuance of the situation with the Queen's crown in what is going to be a most anticipated occassion. You sir are a gentleman and a scolar.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much! Glad you appreciated the video so much, thanks for watching!

  • @tsbonner
    @tsbonner Рік тому

    Excellent video!

  • @educanassa100
    @educanassa100 Рік тому +2

    Amazing vídeo

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @petiteisle8673
    @petiteisle8673 Рік тому

    Enjoyable video. Thanks!

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

  • @Noldorion
    @Noldorion Рік тому

    Such rubbish!!! They shouldn’t remove the koh-i-noor from the crown !!!! Because of some cry babies !!!! KEEP IT IN !!!!!

  • @sedekiman824
    @sedekiman824 10 місяців тому

    Unfortunately the arches on the Imperial State Crown were not heightened. Which I think was a mistake, as it adds balance.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  10 місяців тому +1

      Agreed, it looks far too squat on the king’s head.

    • @sedekiman824
      @sedekiman824 10 місяців тому

      @@allanbarton Wonderful videos you post. Thank you. From a royalist through, and through!

  • @adbraham
    @adbraham Рік тому

    I think all of the stones from the original rough, other biggest, were known as “Grannies chips”, not just 2 & 3

  • @ianport2185
    @ianport2185 Рік тому +1

    Excellent choice & excellent video. Might be worth noting that the eight half arches refer to the European ancestry of Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary where the 8 were and to an extent are common in contrast to here. In addition 8 half arches are 'imperial' so the reduction to 4 reflects the current political situation.

  • @ShriyaDamayanthi
    @ShriyaDamayanthi 3 місяці тому

    🇬🇧👑️👀✝️

  • @adrianwillis2875
    @adrianwillis2875 Рік тому

    I believe Alexandra’s crown had 8 half arches as this was the continental style. For Alexandra being a Danish Princess this was suitable , Mary was also a European princess so 8 half arches were appropriate. Queen Elizabeth had 4 arches as she was British, so I assume the change is being made as camilla is British.

  • @debas1given
    @debas1given Рік тому

    I always loved Queen Victorias Jewelry any Russian or German Jewelys too.

  • @alan1340
    @alan1340 Рік тому

    Very tasteful, a beautiful choice not to mention getting more than one use out of such a classy and expensive item.

  • @paulhwbooth
    @paulhwbooth Рік тому

    The UK was not exactly in a positive economic situation in 1952, of course,

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      Indeed, if I don't address this issue people moan in the comments box, if I do address it people moan in the comments box.

    • @paulhwbooth
      @paulhwbooth Рік тому +1

      @@allanbarton Can't win, eh? I'm old enough to remember post war rationing.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому

      @@paulhwbooth I think people just like to moan.

  • @Floortile
    @Floortile Рік тому +3

    The design of Queen Mary’s crown suggests that of the Imperial Crown of India, worn only once by George V at the Delhi Durbar. Both have a ‘light’ elegance which the sovereign’s Imperial State crown, whilst magnificent, lacks. It will be fascinating to see how it is refashioned for Queen Camilla.

  • @dragonclaws9367
    @dragonclaws9367 Рік тому

    I hope they keep the feminine arches on it, I like the graduated sizes of the stones.

  • @phylliscraine
    @phylliscraine Рік тому

    The arches will also be taken down from 8 to 4 for QC. This is a shame because I think it makes the design far less cohesive.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      I saw a mock up of it, and it didn't look right at all. They will need to lower the arches for it to work.

  • @conningdale8805
    @conningdale8805 Рік тому

    Given the economic situation at the moment, its a wise choice. She will look magnificent!

  • @craftingwithjudi
    @craftingwithjudi Рік тому

    My dear, I've come across your channel recently and I can't get enough!!!! So much so that I've started a playlist for music that I feel is around Victorian times (it relaxes me). THANK YOU for all you do! Your videos are incredible! Very interesting & informative. I look forward to "binge" watching more of your videos.

    • @allanbarton
      @allanbarton  Рік тому +1

      That is so kind of you to say so, I am glad you've found the channel. So much more to come for you to enjoy over the months and years. Very pleased it has inspired your listening too. Thank you.