You need to rework your documentary on the FED Frontline. It falls woefully short. It implies that we need to maintain this precarious balancing act to avoid disaster. It already IS a disaster, and their slow, cautious approach is only prolonging the financial agony people are currently suffering through. My parents built a nice house in 1965 for just $25,000. According to Zillow, that now 58 year-old house is worth over $600,000. Nice houses like that would STILL be that affordable today, had congress and the FED agreed back then to keep the supply of money BALANCED with the supply of houses. When you inflate the money supply BEYOND the rate of production, you get inflated prices. Too much money bidding up the price of too few houses. That equation applies to ALL products and services. But the price of housing has the BIGGEST impact on everyone's financial stability, so they should primarily focus on that. If they notice the price of homes going up, they should ALWAYS reduce the money supply to deflate those prices back to their original level. The prices of homes are WAY too high today. Too many people can't afford them. They SHOULD crash the economy. They should dramatically shrink the money supply to deflate those prices. Yes, it would cause a lot of unemployment for the next few years, and many people would have to live in their cars. But houses would finally become affordable for the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd during the recovery. It's the ONLY way they will ever achieve financial stability. They'll just have to bite the bullet. No pain, no gain. Congress recklessly expands the money supply to make the instant gratification crowd happy. This detestable paradigm MUST END. Congressmen should EARN their votes, not BUY them.
@@measl In our current age of biased reporting being the standard, Frontline seems to do a better job of balanced journalism then most other sources from what I've seen. Is there something specifically you can point to? In this case, I've worked in Dillingham, spoke to the locals about the subject and am neither a proponent or opponent of the mine. It's definitely a complicated issue and I think Frontline did a fair job of showing both sides without pushing one or the other. Ultimately, a report should encourage the viewer to make up their own mind.
There could be a equal medium on these deals I know this for a fact you don’t just shut one industry down for another you meet in the middle and figure it out and no, we will never let them destroy. The salmon runs if it takes them longer to mine, so be it but let them mine it but at a safe level. And maybe make them contribute some of the money they make off of these mines for rehab in other areas in the United States like the Columbia river gorge or other places in Alaska. Never let them process the ore by waterway make them haul it out. Then process it three more years Trump will be in and this mine will go to keep in mind. Trump is levelheaded if they went to Trump and proposed to do it right it would do be done right where the salmon will survive. This EPA is Bidens, EPA, and the greenies nobody else’s Trump will dissolve them once back at office. It will be a good thing for America. In the end there we’ll the problems that can be worked two most important. Don’t let them try to mind at all at one time, slow.
The perfect beauty of that land is " it's self a buried treasury for our childrens' childrens, a gold mine that is beyond priceless...no amount of dollars could ever replace "....our unborn generation deserves to have such beauty in their lifetime...
@@Mr.Phoreskin Only if you already have them or they're on the way because the way the last couple generations are acting the last few years, I don't see any of them getting off their asses to even reproduce and if by chance an accident happens, they'll want to abort it. I have grandchildren from 13- 6 months and know I won't live long enough to see great grandchildren, the only downside of waiting until I was 25 to make my 1st child of 6
The greatest thing about watching this story, after being moved early on by the plight of the fishermen, and the salmon- was to put it on pause, and google “what it the status of the Pebble Mine?” and can’t even begin to express how apropos and happy it made me to see this scar on the earth was finally stopped just 2 weeks ago. The power of the internet in its purest form. ❤
@@petermgruhn it made watching the rest so much more enjoyable Peter- knowing that all the pontification and protestation from Dynasty was going nowhere. Fast. ❤️
Woooohooo good to read!.. those greedy filthy scums want to turn everything into their personal garbage pail... With the deposit worth that much I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it and they'll keep fighting unfortunately
I’m from Australia. Fascinating nail biting documentary showcasing the Alaskan natural heritage & fisheries channels for salmon. No matter what Pebble said the potential and highly probable catastrophic damage open mining would do to the vein safe water havens of salmon hatchlings was indisputable. No mining model in a wet environment has ever been made available to draw design and education from. That closed it immediately for me. I’m relieved the EPA vetoed the mine. While Pebble talked the talk you could feel they weren’t able to guarantee zero impact to the environment. Had it gone to permit they would have designed on paper everything possible to fulfil obligations. They would have been approved. We all know what’s on paper is one thing and the reality is something entirely different. Nature would have tested Pebbles 7.5 magnitude safety gap easily. The filings ponds would fail eventually. Mining corporations need to understand The richness of the area is not in the minerals beneath the soil, it’s the blood veins of life threading through it and it’s people who depend entirely on it. Enormous relief the treasures of Alaska will now be protected forever from ever becoming a mining district. To witness such a close call of that natural beauty coming so close to being threatened by corporate greed was difficult to stomach. I’m elated Pebble got sent packing!
Look at the history of disasters with Custic chemicals left behind and this mine will Produce Millions of tons of waste. In a giant pond held back by a dam that Will fail in a 9.0 EARTHQUAKE RICH STATE. Doesn't anyone Recall EARTHQUAKES? Those hundreds of miles of pipeline ? Research pipeline disasters . 10 billion tons of Toxic waste will destroy the environment and those hundreds of miles pipeline will fail.
These corrupt projects are fueled by big money, EPA can't catch them all especially when Republicans are in charge because they often deregulate many EPA rules in place that are there to protect this land. It's all available on the internet to search for if someone is in denial.
Happy to see the EPA vetoed the Pebble Mine project! The salmon are here to stay, preserving tribal communities, commercial fishing, and the beauty of the land.
Right - make sure we continue to rely on FOSSIL FUELS instead of mining the materials to build clean energy infrastructure. A little short sighted, but it sounds good and gets likes.
I lived in AK for 6 years....mat- su valley..my friends house had a little offshoot of the river running thru his property as did others in this little sub division in Wasilla..and when the salmon ran this little nothing ofva creek was stuffed with the reddest salmon you ever saw..just amazing ✌️
@@lewisc9959 : What’s the purpose of asking what tribe they’re from? There are many more white & non-native people living in Alaska than there are natives. I grew up in Alaska and I’m black. People from all over the world have immigrated there. Filipino’s, Mexicans, Vietnamese, you name it! Plus “natives” in Alaska aren’t just Indians. The Inuit’s (Eskimo’s) are plenty and they live lives of subsistence as well. Inuit’s are in the Northern part of Alaska, whereas Indians are in the Southeast Coastal regions of Alaska & Pacific Northwest of the lower 48.
I live 3600 miles away in New Hampshire and I would be shouting from the rooftops if there was a proposed mine near one of my rivers. I've followed this issue for years and am 100% opposed to this - Thank you PBS for making this documentary.
Please don't poison The Big Green! Proud dad visited many times but never again would fly into Manchester; was a nightmare reaching Dartmouth from there.
@@pl-mn2royou’re able to type this comment on this very device because copper exists… and I won’t even start to list the amount of essential medical appliances and electronics that rely on copper to function.
@@adolfolerito6744 I see your point. However basically you can live by eating fish and you will die eating copper because it is not comestibles. The human can live without copper but not without food.
Five years years ago, I researched the Canadian based company wanting to open the Pebble Mine. This company has operated numerous mines in the Lower 48. While researching that company, I learned every tailing pond at every mine they operated FAILED, causing long-term pollution to the waters and ecology of the areas around the ponds. This is the primary reason I am against the mining project.
@@matthewhoopes7757 my multiple hours of research was done at least 5 years ago. I looked up, online, the name of the Canadian mining company who wants to establish the Pebble Mine, then researched the mines they operate in the Lower 48. The fact their tailing ponds failed is a fact I won't forget. It's also a fact that made it difficult for those adversely affected by the pond failures (water pollution for one) to file suit because they'd have to file suit against a company headquartered in a foreign country.
Thank you Frontline, your research and filming of this project were enlightening to the scope of power and influence that our modern society puts on the health of Planet Earth and the future of Humanity.
The EPA got this one right!..too even consider to destroy north americas last wild salmon habitat just to line that mining companys pockets is a disgrace to all humanity !…Thank you EPA!
Indeed. We used to have similar bounty almost yr round in the Columbia watershed, dams devastated that and the multi-millennia native's way of life along with a significant branch of orcas that depended on the huge salmon. Those dams are losing their use case and may eventually, foreseeably be removed. Salmon runs can quickly rebound when dams removed.
Dr Sylvia Earl has an Organization called Mission Blue, they take sensitive areas and make them "Hope Spots" and create a boundary and sacred space for the sea life to procreate untouched and spill over into the Oceans. This would be a prime spot, and I hope to make it a Hope Spot.
Absolutely! It'd be the end of the giant, majestic Sockeye runs. With current prices for reds the fishery is already hurting. Bristol Bay is a national treasure!
We had a HUGE copper mine here in Northern Vancouver Island, ISLAND COPPER, BHP. it ran for 25 years, and produced enough Gold to pay all operating expenses daily. It destroyed a huge area of Rupert Inlet, from dumping tailing back into the ocean. Dont let it Happen in ALASKA.
No, you don’t. Our schools are atrocious and a significant number of Alaskans place little to no value on education. Which is why so many of us move up from the lower 48 and have such an easy time taking all of the highest paying jobs.
I recently went to Alaska and met some of the Natives .You can feel their connection to the EARTH, THEY LISTEN to Mother Earth ,they feel her in their souls .what an amazing place and people. We need to help them protect the land
Educate. Organize. Mobilize. Support. When and if you are hungry, I hope you will not be eating your cup of copper but you will be eating your cup of delicious Salmon: Thank you, PBS.
These tributaries produce protein that sustains a vital portion of Alaska's population of not only wildlife but humans too. If left, it will produce for many many years; it's an infinite resource for Alaska long into the future. The mining is a finite resource; once it's gone, and the money is spent, there is nothing left but the waste! So many areas of the world have been robbed of their resources and what has been left? Can they remove the mining resources without disturbing the fishery? What risk are they willing to take? The questions need to be answered, truthfully!
business is business. you can bet his greasy ass is so well-heeled you likely wouldn't believe what these mining corps are paying him. and the bastard does all this with a straight face and sleeps soundly all night long.
There is. As of January, the US EPA made it known that Bristol Bay protections are in effect for as long as it's an act. Pebble Partnership has effectively been put out of this area. Also, this video is being re-aired from 2012 in light of the 10 year fight over this.
This story is 11 years old and it appears the EPA stopped it for now, but there needs to be laws enacted that will stop this destruction from happening period. This Bristol Bay thing should have never been up for debate in the first place!
As of Jan 2023 the EPA has stopped this project cold. 11 years after this was aired. That means years of court proceeding that will that will surely benefit several law firms....... Sanity has for the moment been upheld. The higher good has prevailed so far, knowing full well they will never stop trying to make this mine happen. Viva Alaska Viva Terlingua!
Any project which will require "10,000 years" of constant, uninterrupted, unfailing, perfectly executed remediation should be laughed out of the room. They should not even have been allowed to get this far with their foolish and hubristic plan. These people saw the potential profits and all sense and reason went out of their minds.
I fished Bristol Bay in Summer of 1970 on a gill net boat. I absolutely loved that summer. I was 19. Alaska is wild and beautiful and needs to stay that way. Do your mining in my home state of Nevada please. Not Bristol Bay. This program brought fond memories of my youth in Alaska.
@@konseptikonrekords It's already done, this went on for years already. Apparently you don't know the topic at hand here. First, asection 404(c) veto from EPA (they've used that 14 times and none have been overturned). Second, a permit denial from the Army Corps. Third, the Pebble corporation has been wholly and universally abandoned by all mining partners, and finally the successful funding last month of Pedro Bay Corp.’s agreement to sell for $20,000,000 a conservation easement over 44,000 acres, including lands that sought by Pebble for its preferred transportation and infrastructure corridor, Also, an investigation is pending, as the CEO of pebble was caught on camera trying to lure Chinese investors by claiming he would get a permit for a tiny 20 year permit which would just expand to ten times the size and environmental impact. There is no chance this mine will exist there. 😂😂😂
This is arguably the last clean protein source in the world and the last pristine wilderness. It is sacred to the local people and should be to the entire world. Shivery came to Alaska many decades ago as a Vista volunteer, and it seems has figured out how to make it pay
The Pebble people talk about jobs jobs jobs but they ONLY care about the huge payday for themselves. The jobs angle is only public relations baloney. When the copper is gone AND the fish are gone then how will people in the region pay for their gas and internet bill. It's killing the goose that played the golden egg in the form of salmon. Is anything sacred anymore in America besides money?
@@oxycotin most unnecessary of a "comment" do you plan to live in your own world with cheetoe's and taco bell or co exist with civilization? It's obvious you are alone, but this isn't about you at all.
@@browngreen933 What kind of statement is that. Come on!! Every person on this planet owns something with copper in it. That doesn’t mean that every place with a deposit of valued minerals should be excavated. The deposit should be evaluated and weighed against the negative effects of that location. This had to be Jethro Bodean with his 6th grade education with a statement like that. Hang in there buddy and find someone trust worthy that can do your thinking for you. No offense!
From a miner and an outdoorsman, the proposed pebble mine should never be allowed to go forward. The mine I work for is an open pit limestone quarry. Our reclamation program is amazing, to start with are monocrop agriculture fields. When we're done, there is a mix of grasslands, wetlands, and eventually wooded areas. This is fantastic for wildlife with the mixture of open grass and wooded habitat. We have a wide variety of wild animals on the property and get a massive influx of migratory birds annually. We don't have the potential to cause a massive disaster like what would likely happen with this proposed mine though, there's simply too much at stake to risk it.
Thank you much for the effort you put on making these documentaries!!! I might haven't gone up to that north and what I know of it is because of brave people who dare against of all odds determine to save the beautiful planet The Almighty One has allowed us to live in.... and for just another short period of time!!! Let's take heed of it!!!! Shalom!!!!!
"We smart enough to know that we're not smart enough." That's such a wise statement that I wish most leaders in the world would accept the term, and look for inputs from others.
Actually 3rd world countries small miners are extracting concentrates then using boric acid to more efficiently smelt it by lowering melting points. A much cleaner sustainable process. Gold is deposited because it was dissolved during continental plate grinding, so pit miners today saturate 99.7 of the material with acid again to extract the metal again. Savages? Not high tech at all. They make mining look worse than it could be. That area can sustain some mining, but not with chemical extraction - which should be banned in watershed areas, put it on a train and process it else where. The other problem with pit mines is they recompose some acids by exposing soils after being buried hundreds of years. Without dump trucks of baking soda I don't see how to safely mine those areas with what is patented or in use today.
@@mjones6115mjyep, it’s a mess. These companies extract everything of value and abandon it to tax payers. The president should make it a national monument to stop the Canadian miners imo.
@@mjones6115mj or just look at Kennecott's Bingham Copper Mine in Utah. That thing has every attribute an open pit mine could have going for it to be "harmless" to the environment. Is it harmless? Ha. No. "Kennecott's copper mine concentrators, power plant and smelter is the leading facility for toxic releases in the state of Utah" releasing 6250 pounds of lead into the air ANNUALLY, and poisoning the watershed that DOES EXIST, despite the false assertion that being in a dry area would prevent water contamination.
We need to do the same thing that the people of New Zealand did. They got the get to realize that life is water and water is life … I commend them for such values and hope the rest of the world wakes up to that concept !
It will only take one accident to destroy a one of a kind echo system not just a fishery. there are too many variables to consider and the long term risk isn’t worth the short term benefit. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DONT DO IT ALASKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Much love from Michigan.
@@Ucfahmad Absolutely!! I really worry for those who still want the mine after being educated by this video (many have done their own research 💚) on the disastrous consequences it would cause. I personally can't stand our beautiful Earth being destroyed.
The corporation of course won't tell you this ugly fact: For literally 100 years after the mine is closed, The leftover mine tailing will leach acid into the groundwater, and the entire river system downstream. and all the fish will definitely die. and the Alaskan Natives who depended on the fishes for thousands of years will have their way of lives destroyed forever
Its impossible to mine without effecting the local environment. Land is only pristine once. Of course there are ways to invest enough to ensure that but, seems to not be a goal. An open pit among the melting perma frost is madness.
I live in a area where mining has impacted the land . The area was mined for 35 years. Two gold mines were in the city limits. A byproduct of the mining process is arsenic. At one mine there is 237 tones stored in a underground stope . It is permanently frozen to keep it from leaking into the water table. The mine is right on the north shore of Great Slave Lake one of the biggest freshwater lakes in the world. It is said that the arsenic will have to be monitored for life . The arsenic has the capacity to kill the world population three times over.
In Australia where I live we do not have any wild salmon. We farm salmon and describe them as ‘responsibly harvested’. we also import Norwegian farmed Salmon “the most toxic fish in the world”. Please protect your salmon rivers you are fighting a war for the whole planet. Thank you!
Mining engineer here in Australia. Delighted to hear this mine did not go ahead. It would have been an environmental disaster. EPA made the right decision! Go and find another deposit thats not located in such an environmentally sensitive area.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (KTUU) - The Biden administration struck a blow to mining development in the Bristol Bay watershed Tuesday with the announcement of a final determination that works to protect wild salmon fisheries in the region, essentially stopping the development of the Pebble Mine. Jan 31, 2023
On January 30, 2023, EPA issued a Final Determination under its Clean Water Act Section 404(c). It determined the Pebble deposit will have unacceptable adverse effects on certain salmon fishery areas in the Bristol Bay watershed. Its only the 3rd time in 30 years, (the fourteenth time in the history of the Clean Water Act) that EPA has used this authority.
Thank you for the update. Good news in my opinion. I’m no where near an environmentalist. By far! But this is a far to important food source for the whole world. Let alone the economic impact to millions if there were to be issues.
@@anthonymirkovich5156 what's the local sentiment like for pebble? I would assume you're all opposed to this right? I hope this mine doesn't get built personally.
@@KS-yc8di Anthony is a dishonest troll, & probably paid by this greedy mining company, not a fisherman & not from the bristol bay area. Money is the root of all evil today.
Thank you for this wonderful video! I have incurred so much losses trading on my own....I trade well on demo but I think the real market is manipulated.... Can anyone help me out or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong?
On September 9, 2021, it was reported that the United States Environmental Protection Agency had "asked a federal court to allow for Clean Water Act protections for parts of the bay." On January 31, 2023, the EPA effectively vetoed the project, using a rarely invoked power to restrict development to protect watersheds.
Salmon will last for another thousand years ore more, if preserved well. The mine will not last more then fifty years, the most part of the money will be gone and in the pockets of outsiders. And after that, there will be a wider wasteland for centuries. That does not sound like a good deal.
33:00 "We don't think that fault is a threat" Our insurance companies can sort that out if we are wrong. And they say: Oops, all the fish are dead, and the sea is gray. We didn't think that hard, now did we. infamous last words.
I was 26 years old and first ever tasted salmon in Japan,it was very expensive at there.When I move to USA ,it was heaven because I was able to buy whole salmon with same money I used to buy small piece in Japan.If you want to see value of what you have(had) ,you should observe other people who did not have what you had.The water wars already started,the drinking water resources .Natural resources will be much more valued .The soil structure will be damaged maybe soon the bay will disappear because of mine.There is like huge hole staying ,it is ugly look in the nature,noise pollution and many more pollution will be caused by mine.We can live without copper but we can not live without water or food.Did you know you can not adopt a parrot if you use t-fal (made of polytetrafluorethylene) nonstick pans at your house?The polymer causes toxic gas exit while you cook.Copper is also heavy metal which is very toxic for any species.Anyway Alaska is earthquake zone,you should keep the soil structure stable .Do not worry ,you will sell drinking water to world not copper in future.
3:05 David Montgomery's statement " this resource can be mined forever" should include "has been mined forever without a single shovel disturbing anything". If there is no way to extract those metals without a snowball's chance of ever, ever, ever harming Bristol Bay, no freaking Pebble Mine.
I find it outrageous and absurd that a project of this scale would even be proposed in this region. I applaud the EPA for doing its due diligence and research, I completely agreed with their assessment.
I was a commercial fisherman in Bristol Bay, and I fished the river with the Inuit Tribe. "Salmon if Life". If you only understand economics, just know that Salmon are a much more valuable resource, than any temporary mining operation. Stop this Pebble Madness, and Save the Salmon.
This is the type of environment I was told about as a little kid. In my neck of the woods, the Chesapeake Bay, there were these massive piles of oysters - they were big pyramids of oysters, all cuddled together, you could sink your ship on them. That was 400 years ago. Now, tiny little piles of oysters are all that's left - there are so few, tbe oysters can't protect themselves, because they can't pile up for group protection, and they get killed. This is an ecosystem that is still alive, so fertile, like many places used to be. Losing this environment, one of the remaining living ecosystems outside of a national park in US territory, would be tragic, and have reverberating consequences regionally (and globally) on both humanity and the greater environment. We have to preserve what we have left - we can't let these last few systems get destroyed by human greed.
Omg I loved watching this doc. I enjoy expanding my mind to things going on outside of my world. Now I’m all for the people of this place to save them from the big corporations that just want to go in and make money. I’m in full support of the EPA to block them. You can’t eat copper or gold so why take the risk because you want to be greedy and line your pockets.
The EPA is a very unpopular agency but in this case their decision was incredibly wise. All those people who put profit ahead of all else need to look at our mining history and the damage mankind has already caused. The track record of mankind is incredibly abysmal. In time, technology will improve to the point where we can truly mine in a safe manner. But we are not there yet.
I live right below the copper mine in Utah and know first hand the run off from mining the copper is deadly. As the Great Salt Lake is drying up the big local concern is the arsenic and other deadly tailings that are blowing in the wind now.
Absolutely our government should have learned by now what the waste from these mines have ruined complete towns and killed many many people from cancer and liver and internal issues! But their pockets don't stop them! No telling how many people die from the waste from these big companies! So happy Alaska stepped up, no big companies or government can be trusted!
perfect beauty of that land is " it's self a buried treasury for our childrens' childrens, a gold mine that is beyond priceless...no amount of dollars could ever replace "...
I don't live in Alaska, but after seeing this it would be a bad idea to mine there. We as humans need to learn to leave certain things as is and stop destroying our lands and this EARTH we live on. I understand the need for certain resources, but we need to find out better ways to propel our future without continuing to destroy our lands.
The lose of the wetlands alone is unthinkable. Alaska is one of the world's last frontiers of wilderness that is truly wild and untouched still that's what I love about it there is a place were we as humans have not destroyed or ruined from bar greed having a shame.
It seems that people in the comments section aren't aware that this is a re-aired story from 2012 and that the US EPA made the Bristol Bay protections final. The future of the world's largest wild salmon fishery and the lifeblood of Alaska's Bristol Bay shines brighter after the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued a determination which effectively ends the threat of the proposed Pebble Mine.
Read the latest on where the proposed 'Pebble mine' stands: to.pbs.org/3DWkuU9
Thank you, Frontline. God bless, America!!!!! God save Bristol Bay Salmon!!!!!
You need to rework your documentary on the FED Frontline. It falls woefully short. It implies that we need to maintain this precarious balancing act to avoid disaster. It already IS a disaster, and their slow, cautious approach is only prolonging the financial agony people are currently suffering through. My parents built a nice house in 1965 for just $25,000. According to Zillow, that now 58 year-old house is worth over $600,000. Nice houses like that would STILL be that affordable today, had congress and the FED agreed back then to keep the supply of money BALANCED with the supply of houses. When you inflate the money supply BEYOND the rate of production, you get inflated prices. Too much money bidding up the price of too few houses. That equation applies to ALL products and services. But the price of housing has the BIGGEST impact on everyone's financial stability, so they should primarily focus on that. If they notice the price of homes going up, they should ALWAYS reduce the money supply to deflate those prices back to their original level. The prices of homes are WAY too high today. Too many people can't afford them. They SHOULD crash the economy. They should dramatically shrink the money supply to deflate those prices. Yes, it would cause a lot of unemployment for the next few years, and many people would have to live in their cars. But houses would finally become affordable for the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd during the recovery. It's the ONLY way they will ever achieve financial stability. They'll just have to bite the bullet. No pain, no gain. Congress recklessly expands the money supply to make the instant gratification crowd happy. This detestable paradigm MUST END. Congressmen should EARN their votes, not BUY them.
@@measl In our current age of biased reporting being the standard, Frontline seems to do a better job of balanced journalism then most other sources from what I've seen. Is there something specifically you can point to? In this case, I've worked in Dillingham, spoke to the locals about the subject and am neither a proponent or opponent of the mine. It's definitely a complicated issue and I think Frontline did a fair job of showing both sides without pushing one or the other. Ultimately, a report should encourage the viewer to make up their own mind.
So glad you did this report back then; thank you for re-running it now. I hope the judgment of the Biden Administration stands forever.
There could be a equal medium on these deals I know this for a fact you don’t just shut one industry down for another you meet in the middle and figure it out and no, we will never let them destroy. The salmon runs if it takes them longer to mine, so be it but let them mine it but at a safe level. And maybe make them contribute some of the money they make off of these mines for rehab in other areas in the United States like the Columbia river gorge or other places in Alaska. Never let them process the ore by waterway make them haul it out. Then process it three more years Trump will be in and this mine will go to keep in mind. Trump is levelheaded if they went to Trump and proposed to do it right it would do be done right where the salmon will survive. This EPA is Bidens, EPA, and the greenies nobody else’s Trump will dissolve them once back at office. It will be a good thing for America. In the end there we’ll the problems that can be worked two most important. Don’t let them try to mind at all at one time, slow.
The perfect beauty of that land is " it's self a buried treasury for our childrens' childrens, a gold mine that is beyond priceless...no amount of dollars could ever replace "....our unborn generation deserves to have such beauty in their lifetime...
They will have VR.
@@Mr.Phoreskin Only if you already have them or they're on the way because the way the last couple generations are acting the last few years, I don't see any of them getting off their asses to even reproduce and if by chance an accident happens, they'll want to abort it. I have grandchildren from 13- 6 months and know I won't live long enough to see great grandchildren, the only downside of waiting until I was 25 to make my 1st child of 6
@@randyspencersr.4927 that is awful but so true 😢
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The greatest thing about watching this story, after being moved early on by the plight of the fishermen, and the salmon- was to put it on pause, and google “what it the status of the Pebble Mine?” and can’t even begin to express how apropos and happy it made me to see this scar on the earth was finally stopped just 2 weeks ago. The power of the internet in its purest form. ❤
This post says it all.
@@petermgruhn it made watching the rest so much more enjoyable Peter- knowing that all the pontification and protestation from Dynasty was going nowhere. Fast. ❤️
Now that i read your comment, I'm happy too.
Woooohooo good to read!.. those greedy filthy scums want to turn everything into their personal garbage pail...
With the deposit worth that much I'm sure we haven't heard the last of it and they'll keep fighting unfortunately
HALLELUJAH. GLORY TO GOD.
I’m from Australia. Fascinating nail biting documentary showcasing the Alaskan natural heritage & fisheries channels for salmon. No matter what Pebble said the potential and highly probable catastrophic damage open mining would do to the vein safe water havens of salmon hatchlings was indisputable. No mining model in a wet environment has ever been made available to draw design and education from. That closed it immediately for me. I’m relieved the EPA vetoed the mine. While Pebble talked the talk you could feel they weren’t able to guarantee zero impact to the environment. Had it gone to permit they would have designed on paper everything possible to fulfil obligations. They would have been approved. We all know what’s on paper is one thing and the reality is something entirely different. Nature would have tested Pebbles 7.5 magnitude safety gap easily. The filings ponds would fail eventually. Mining corporations need to understand The richness of the area is not in the minerals beneath the soil, it’s the blood veins of life threading through it and it’s people who depend entirely on it. Enormous relief the treasures of Alaska will now be protected forever from ever becoming a mining district. To witness such a close call of that natural beauty coming so close to being threatened by corporate greed was difficult to stomach. I’m elated Pebble got sent packing!
Look at the history of disasters with Custic chemicals left behind and this mine will Produce Millions of tons of waste. In a giant pond held back by a dam that Will fail in a 9.0 EARTHQUAKE RICH STATE. Doesn't anyone Recall EARTHQUAKES? Those hundreds of miles of pipeline ? Research pipeline disasters . 10 billion tons of Toxic waste will destroy the environment and those hundreds of miles pipeline will fail.
Thank you Epa for saving the land and water it means so much to the people of the earth and it is so important to preserve our land and fish and water
You are thanking the EPA? Lol. Palestine Ohio??
@@staywoke2198 blame trump for that.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le 😂 you’re crazy, lady
These corrupt projects are fueled by big money, EPA can't catch them all especially when Republicans are in charge because they often deregulate many EPA rules in place that are there to protect this land. It's all available on the internet to search for if someone is in denial.
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Happy to see the EPA vetoed the Pebble Mine project! The salmon are here to stay, preserving tribal communities, commercial fishing, and the beauty of the land.
@AmericanTraitors-GOPI love when the intellectually challenged self identify. You’ll grow a brain someday.
Right - make sure we continue to rely on FOSSIL FUELS instead of mining the materials to build clean energy infrastructure. A little short sighted, but it sounds good and gets likes.
Even if I'm from the Philippines, I am so very happy that the EPA finally put a stop to the threat of mining in Bristol Bay.
Hii Filipino 😅
Not for long... Drill baby drill!
Obviously we have some social media bots here
I lived in AK for 6 years....mat- su valley..my friends house had a little offshoot of the river running thru his property as did others in this little sub division in Wasilla..and when the salmon ran this little nothing ofva creek was stuffed with the reddest salmon you ever saw..just amazing ✌️
I dream of seeing them some day.
What Native American tribe(s) is your friend part of?
You were blessed to see such bounty provided by The Source , The One Creator, The Heavenly Father.
@M J Faulkner he lives in Native American land! North America is our Native American land! The white peoples land is in Europe.
@@lewisc9959 : What’s the purpose of asking what tribe they’re from? There are many more white & non-native people living in Alaska than there are natives. I grew up in Alaska and I’m black. People from all over the world have immigrated there. Filipino’s, Mexicans, Vietnamese, you name it! Plus “natives” in Alaska aren’t just Indians. The Inuit’s (Eskimo’s) are plenty and they live lives of subsistence as well. Inuit’s are in the Northern part of Alaska, whereas Indians are in the Southeast Coastal regions of Alaska & Pacific Northwest of the lower 48.
I live 3600 miles away in New Hampshire and I would be shouting from the rooftops if there was a proposed mine near one of my rivers. I've followed this issue for years and am 100% opposed to this - Thank you PBS for making this documentary.
Please don't poison The Big Green!
Proud dad visited many times but never again would fly into Manchester; was a nightmare reaching Dartmouth from there.
Western capitalism are literally destroyed the whole planet as we know it.
Fish is food…..copper is poison
@@pl-mn2royou’re able to type this comment on this very device because copper exists… and I won’t even start to list the amount of essential medical appliances and electronics that rely on copper to function.
@@adolfolerito6744 I see your point. However basically you can live by eating fish and you will die eating copper because it is not comestibles. The human can live without copper but not without food.
from down here in New Zealand…we wish you people well in your fight..our hearts go out to you all God Bless
I admire the Kiwis , you have saved rivers and now given them rights ! THANK YOU for making sure Mother Earth has Humans to protect her
Five years years ago, I researched the Canadian based company wanting to open the Pebble Mine. This company has operated numerous mines in the Lower 48. While researching that company, I learned every tailing pond at every mine they operated FAILED, causing long-term pollution to the waters and ecology of the areas around the ponds. This is the primary reason I am against the mining project.
Can you please provide the source(s) of that info (every tailing pond failed)? That would be very useful information. Thanks!
gasp! say it it isn't so! (sarcasm)
I'm not exactly doubting your findings but you should share where you got that information
@@matthewhoopes7757 my multiple hours of research was done at least 5 years ago. I looked up, online, the name of the Canadian mining company who wants to establish the Pebble Mine, then researched the mines they operate in the Lower 48. The fact their tailing ponds failed is a fact I won't forget. It's also a fact that made it difficult for those adversely affected by the pond failures (water pollution for one) to file suit because they'd have to file suit against a company headquartered in a foreign country.
@@atatterson6992 please read my response above to MatthewWhoopes. All of this information can be obtained online.
Thank you Frontline, your research and filming of this project were enlightening to the scope of power and influence that our modern society puts on the health of Planet Earth and the future of Humanity.
Thank God for the EPA .
Yes, WHEN they do their job 👍
Thank the people for voting Dem and keeping the republican party from removing it.
Frontline always brings NEWS to people more than NEWS channels. keep on keeping on PBS
Thank you EPA for stepping in. Those are beautiful Alaskan Waters must leave untouched. All the way from the city of Boston.
👍👍 from Quincy too
All the way from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 🙌
The EPA got this one right!..too even consider to destroy north americas last wild salmon habitat just to line that mining companys pockets is a disgrace to all humanity !…Thank you EPA!
Indeed. We used to have similar bounty almost yr round in the Columbia watershed, dams devastated that and the multi-millennia native's way of life along with a significant branch of orcas that depended on the huge salmon. Those dams are losing their use case and may eventually, foreseeably be removed. Salmon runs can quickly rebound when dams removed.
And NEW YORK CITY ❤
I forgot just how good these full documentaries are. Thank you for the great program.
This is really well done. Very educational. 👍 It's a terrible idea to mine this location.
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As the one fellow said, no matter what the intentions are, humans have always managed to mess it up. No truer words have ever been spoken.
More concern for the fish and wildlife than the people - no offense - but you can't support human life without unpoisoned food and water resources.
This is not an Alaskan issue it's a world issue. But we entrust you the citizens and residents there to guard such gift of nature.
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More concern for the fish and wildlife than the people - no offense - but you can't support human life without unpoisoned food and water resources.
Great work Frontline PBS!
Lake illiamna should be a world heritage site because of the Salmon, the numbers of fish are absolutely phenomenal.
Dr Sylvia Earl has an Organization called Mission Blue, they take sensitive areas and make them "Hope Spots" and create a boundary and sacred space for the sea life to procreate untouched and spill over into the Oceans. This would be a prime spot, and I hope to make it a Hope Spot.
Absolutely! It'd be the end of the giant, majestic Sockeye runs. With current prices for reds the fishery is already hurting. Bristol Bay is a national treasure!
Let's make it so!!
"world heritage site" means "somebody should steal this for me"
We had a HUGE copper mine here in Northern Vancouver Island, ISLAND COPPER, BHP. it ran for 25 years, and produced enough Gold to pay all operating expenses daily. It destroyed a huge
area of Rupert Inlet, from dumping tailing back into the ocean. Dont let it Happen in ALASKA.
Probably the same scoundrels or their spawn
Thumbs up for the EPA.
❤ Thank you Frontline. This is very Educational thete are things here that I did not know
“When the last tree Is cut down,
the last fish eaten, and the last stream poisoned,
you will realize that You cannot eat money”
grind a coin and eat it with oatmeal.
When a loaf of bread will coast a day's wage.
@@littleeagle7563 there's rice and potatoes
@@norcalpinoy9618 That sucks
Amen!!!!
This was incredibly well put together. PBS is the standard
AMAZING work Mr. E.P.A. "Dude" !!!!!!
Another great episode of Frontline. Everyone should be watching these.
I love Alaska. Wished I spent my youth there.
I think alaska were rusian property .
No, you don’t. Our schools are atrocious and a significant number of Alaskans place little to no value on education.
Which is why so many of us move up from the lower 48 and have such an easy time taking all of the highest paying jobs.
I recently went to Alaska and met some of the Natives .You can feel their connection to the EARTH, THEY LISTEN to Mother Earth ,they feel her in their souls .what an amazing place and people. We need to help them protect the land
Thank God for the EPA. 🙏
Educate. Organize. Mobilize. Support. When and if you are hungry, I hope you will not be eating your cup of copper but you will be eating your cup of delicious Salmon: Thank you, PBS.
Please fight for healthy fisheries and our healthy environment as these are our true wealth.
Even if they gave everyone in Alaska twenty million dollars it won't worth it this is sad SMH
These tributaries produce protein that sustains a vital portion of Alaska's population of not only wildlife but humans too. If left, it will produce for many many years; it's an infinite resource for Alaska long into the future. The mining is a finite resource; once it's gone, and the money is spent, there is nothing left but the waste! So many areas of the world have been robbed of their resources and what has been left? Can they remove the mining resources without disturbing the fishery? What risk are they willing to take? The questions need to be answered, truthfully!
@Nicholas #51 Nobody wants a strip mined ugly World to live in so we can have a "green" poisoned land.
Thank goodness!!!
Another great documentary from Frontline (PBS). Don't forget to help support such a noble cause.
That mining executive was a skilled, professional liar to be hustling those people with a straight face.
That's why he was hired
Lol..I just starded reading the comments but i said similar.
@eversway7540 - I think it was the unblinking sociopathic stare that caught my attention. He was hell bent on driving home his agenda.
@@fellspoint9364 Lol...I forgot to mention as well, you're absolutely right. I was speaking about both of them.
business is business. you can bet his greasy ass is so well-heeled you likely wouldn't believe what these mining corps are paying him.
and the bastard does all this with a straight face and sleeps soundly all night long.
Thank god for the EPA
We need a Bristol Bay Protection Act that ensures the salmon (a keystone species) is forever protected from current and future mining activity.
YES! absolutely.
De growth
Lets all stop the CCP commies over fishing in our territorial waters, HUH? FOCUS ON THE WORST OFFENDERS.
Exactly 💯 Some places need to stay off limit forever.
There is. As of January, the US EPA made it known that Bristol Bay protections are in effect for as long as it's an act. Pebble Partnership has effectively been put out of this area. Also, this video is being re-aired from 2012 in light of the 10 year fight over this.
I will support PBS till the day I die.
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ABSOLUTELY 100% ! 👍🏻🇺🇲
This story is 11 years old and it appears the EPA stopped it for now, but there needs to be laws enacted that will stop this destruction from happening period. This Bristol Bay thing should have never been up for debate in the first place!
As of Jan 2023 the EPA has stopped this project cold. 11 years after this was aired. That means years of court proceeding that will that will surely benefit several law firms....... Sanity has for the moment been upheld. The higher good has prevailed so far, knowing full well they will never stop trying to make this mine happen. Viva Alaska Viva Terlingua!
Any project which will require "10,000 years" of constant, uninterrupted, unfailing, perfectly executed remediation should be laughed out of the room. They should not even have been allowed to get this far with their foolish and hubristic plan. These people saw the potential profits and all sense and reason went out of their minds.
You summed up the entire argument in one sentence!! 👏👏👏👏
Very well put
I fished Bristol Bay in Summer of 1970 on a gill net boat. I absolutely loved that summer. I was 19. Alaska is wild and beautiful and needs to stay that way. Do your mining in my home state of Nevada please. Not Bristol Bay. This program brought fond memories of my youth in Alaska.
Just a sigh of relief. The project was, in fact, vetoed by the EPA in 2023!
Sorry. That won't stand in court. You should review the facts of how it was vetoed and see if you think that's a strong case.
@@konseptikonrekords It's already done, this went on for years already. Apparently you don't know the topic at hand here. First, asection 404(c) veto from EPA (they've used that 14 times and none have been overturned). Second, a permit denial from the Army Corps. Third, the Pebble corporation has been wholly and universally abandoned by all mining partners, and finally the successful funding last month of Pedro Bay Corp.’s agreement to sell for $20,000,000 a conservation easement over 44,000 acres, including lands that sought by Pebble for its preferred transportation and infrastructure corridor,
Also, an investigation is pending, as the CEO of pebble was caught on camera trying to lure Chinese investors by claiming he would get a permit for a tiny 20 year permit which would just expand to ten times the size and environmental impact. There is no chance this mine will exist there. 😂😂😂
The project of the mine wasn’t vetoed by the EPA. What was vetoed is the request to dump the tailings on site (which are the main problem).
Sigh of relief that trump wasnt in office to overrule the EPA.
This is arguably the last clean protein source in the world and the last pristine wilderness. It is sacred to the local people and should be to the entire world. Shivery came to Alaska many decades ago as a Vista volunteer, and it seems has figured out how to make it pay
Great comment! Explains something about Shivery, huh?!
The Pebble people talk about jobs jobs jobs but they ONLY care about the huge payday for themselves. The jobs angle is only public relations baloney. When the copper is gone AND the fish are gone then how will people in the region pay for their gas and internet bill. It's killing the goose that played the golden egg in the form of salmon. Is anything sacred anymore in America besides money?
Yea but when north america was hitting south america from behind with no lube , no one was saying anything about “sacred”
Kb, As an Alaskan, it’s great to seem some folks outside our state “ getting Alaska “! Thank you!😉👍
@@oxycotin most unnecessary of a "comment" do you plan to live in your own world with cheetoe's and taco bell or co exist with civilization? It's obvious you are alone, but this isn't about you at all.
this is the best news for stopping the mine due to the fact the pollution from the mine glad it got stopped thank you don kunkel napa california
What an awesome God given landscape.Praying it stays that way for good!
Commercial fishermen will destroy it just like other places. It's just a matter of time. GREED and netters have that result.
@@lewislinzy3437you may be right, but there are people who fight for good as well.
Man's greed knows no bounds ... this mine is a bad idea at every level
Totally agree, those people are only concerned with lining their pockets and care not about the future of this place!!
I'm glad nothing you own or use has copper in it.
@@browngreen933 Sounds like you bought into the industry propaganda
@@browngreen933 What kind of statement is that. Come on!! Every person on this planet owns something with copper in it. That doesn’t mean that every place with a deposit of valued minerals should be excavated. The deposit should be evaluated and weighed against the negative effects of that location. This had to be Jethro Bodean with his 6th grade education with a statement like that. Hang in there buddy and find someone trust worthy that can do your thinking for you. No offense!
Best go to the Congo
I lived fairly close to this area for many years.I was a commercial fisherman and everyday was amazed at what I saw.Just leave the the land alone!
Criminal
From a miner and an outdoorsman, the proposed pebble mine should never be allowed to go forward. The mine I work for is an open pit limestone quarry. Our reclamation program is amazing, to start with are monocrop agriculture fields. When we're done, there is a mix of grasslands, wetlands, and eventually wooded areas. This is fantastic for wildlife with the mixture of open grass and wooded habitat. We have a wide variety of wild animals on the property and get a massive influx of migratory birds annually. We don't have the potential to cause a massive disaster like what would likely happen with this proposed mine though, there's simply too much at stake to risk it.
awesome documentary as usual ,. thx PBS frontline
Thank you much for the effort you put on making these documentaries!!! I might haven't gone up to that north and what I know of it is because of brave people who dare against of all odds determine to save the beautiful planet The Almighty One has allowed us to live in.... and for just another short period of time!!! Let's take heed of it!!!! Shalom!!!!!
Keep Alaska pristine
"We smart enough to know that we're not smart enough." That's such a wise statement that I wish most leaders in the world would accept the term, and look for inputs from others.
Gold / copper mining and refining are one of the most poisionous business I know.
Actually 3rd world countries small miners are extracting concentrates then using boric acid to more efficiently smelt it by lowering melting points. A much cleaner sustainable process. Gold is deposited because it was dissolved during continental plate grinding, so pit miners today saturate 99.7 of the material with acid again to extract the metal again. Savages? Not high tech at all.
They make mining look worse than it could be. That area can sustain some mining, but not with chemical extraction - which should be banned in watershed areas, put it on a train and process it else where. The other problem with pit mines is they recompose some acids by exposing soils after being buried hundreds of years. Without dump trucks of baking soda I don't see how to safely mine those areas with what is patented or in use today.
Second only to politics
Once they extract everything from the mine, what then? It’s best to preserve the near infinite fish supply over these finite pebbles
Look at butte Montana Berkeley pit
@@mjones6115mjyep, it’s a mess. These companies extract everything of value and abandon it to tax payers. The president should make it a national monument to stop the Canadian miners imo.
@@12time12 agreed
@@mjones6115mj or just look at Kennecott's Bingham Copper Mine in Utah. That thing has every attribute an open pit mine could have going for it to be "harmless" to the environment. Is it harmless? Ha. No. "Kennecott's copper mine concentrators, power plant and smelter is the leading facility for toxic releases in the state of Utah" releasing 6250 pounds of lead into the air ANNUALLY, and poisoning the watershed that DOES EXIST, despite the false assertion that being in a dry area would prevent water contamination.
They lock gold in a vault somewhere and the fish are dead
We need to do the same thing that the people of New Zealand did. They got the get to realize that life is water and water is life … I commend them for such values and hope the rest of the world wakes up to that concept !
Thank you Frontline for amazing information n always getting the truth out there. No Greed over wildlife all humans being need the wildlife
Must be crazy to think that a acid mine in the heart of salmon world..Yea right. Rich want to stay rich
@Politican4thePeople no. Negative words please. Don't care about your negatively
It will only take one accident to destroy a one of a kind echo system not just a fishery. there are too many variables to consider and the long term risk isn’t worth the short term benefit.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DONT DO IT ALASKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much love from Michigan.
Conservative or liberal surely we can all agree on this one right? You can keep your contempt of the EPA and still support this ecosystem.
@@Ucfahmad Absolutely!!
I really worry for those who still want the mine after being educated by this video (many have done their own research 💚) on the disastrous consequences it would cause.
I personally can't stand our beautiful Earth being destroyed.
Should be non political because it affects us all. We celebrate this decision!
True but the EPA is a racket, they allow pollution and just collect money for it as if it were a business
Thanks Senator Roberts.
The corporation of course won't tell you this ugly fact:
For literally 100 years after the mine is closed, The leftover mine tailing will leach acid into the groundwater, and the entire river system downstream. and all the fish will definitely die. and the Alaskan Natives who depended on the fishes for thousands of years will have their way of lives destroyed forever
And today those who want just jobs and not traditional life should leave and get jobs elsewhere.
Include all the wild life as well that feed from the salmon
Thank Dennis and the EPA for being honest and doing their job!
Its impossible to mine without effecting the local environment. Land is only pristine once.
Of course there are ways to invest enough to ensure that but, seems to not be a goal. An open pit among the melting perma frost is madness.
Yes!! Finally a man is a man!!! And 5hinkin of people who need , instead of money thank ya mister❤
I live in a area where mining has impacted the land . The area was mined for 35 years. Two gold mines were in the city limits. A byproduct of the mining process is arsenic. At one mine there is 237 tones stored in a underground stope . It is permanently frozen to keep it from leaking into the water table. The mine is right on the north shore of Great Slave Lake one of the biggest freshwater lakes in the world. It is said that the arsenic will have to be monitored for life . The arsenic has the capacity to kill the world population three times over.
Thank you for sharing.
Wow and that near a lake ...
😯And...wait till we begin to have shortages of oil...to keep it frozen ..that's all be a trick...
In Australia where I live we do not have any wild salmon. We farm salmon and describe them as ‘responsibly harvested’. we also import Norwegian farmed Salmon “the most toxic fish in the world”. Please protect your salmon rivers you are fighting a war for the whole planet. Thank you!
Mining engineer here in Australia. Delighted to hear this mine did not go ahead. It would have been an environmental disaster. EPA made the right decision! Go and find another deposit thats not located in such an environmentally sensitive area.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (KTUU) - The Biden administration struck a blow to mining development in the Bristol Bay watershed Tuesday with the announcement of a final determination that works to protect wild salmon fisheries in the region, essentially stopping the development of the Pebble Mine. Jan 31, 2023
Yes!
@@laughingatlife7100 You're welcome 😘
On January 30, 2023, EPA issued a Final Determination under its Clean Water Act Section 404(c). It determined the Pebble deposit will have unacceptable adverse effects on certain salmon fishery areas in the Bristol Bay watershed. Its only the 3rd time in 30 years, (the fourteenth time in the history of the Clean Water Act) that EPA has used this authority.
Thank you for the update.
Good news in my opinion. I’m no where near an environmentalist. By far! But this is a far to important food source for the whole world. Let alone the economic impact to millions if there were to be issues.
This is an old documentary or old info ..
I’m a Bristol bay fisherman
@@anthonymirkovich5156 what's the local sentiment like for pebble? I would assume you're all opposed to this right? I hope this mine doesn't get built personally.
@@KS-yc8di Anthony is a dishonest troll, & probably paid by this greedy mining company, not a fisherman & not from the bristol bay area. Money is the root of all evil today.
EPA you do all thank you
We cant give up wilderness for $$. The wild life is the gold
I am from Wisconsin and I hope and pray for The people in Alaska to make the right decisions. It’s not worth the mine.
I pray that this area gets protected!!!🙏 Money is not worth the amount of environmental damage this could all cause.
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On September 9, 2021, it was reported that the United States Environmental Protection Agency
had "asked a federal court to allow for Clean Water Act protections for parts of the bay."
On January 31, 2023, the EPA effectively vetoed the project, using a rarely invoked power to restrict development to protect watersheds.
Love this documentary. Can anyone suggest similar films?
Salmon will last for another thousand years ore more, if preserved well. The mine will not last more then fifty years, the most part of the money will be gone and in the pockets of outsiders. And after that, there will be a wider wasteland for centuries. That does not sound like a good deal.
The Anchorage explotive, non native class of Alaskans do not care. They are only in Alaska to get the resources.
33:00 "We don't think that fault is a threat" Our insurance companies can sort that out if we are wrong. And they say: Oops, all the fish are dead, and the sea is gray. We didn't think that hard, now did we. infamous last words.
Muito bom esse documentário 😊
I was 26 years old and first ever tasted salmon in Japan,it was very expensive at there.When I move to USA ,it was heaven because I was able to buy whole salmon with same money I used to buy small piece in Japan.If you want to see value of what you have(had) ,you should observe other people who did not have what you had.The water wars already started,the drinking water resources .Natural resources will be much more valued .The soil structure will be damaged maybe soon the bay will disappear because of mine.There is like huge hole staying ,it is ugly look in the nature,noise pollution and many more pollution will be caused by mine.We can live without copper but we can not live without water or food.Did you know you can not adopt a parrot if you use t-fal (made of polytetrafluorethylene) nonstick pans at your house?The polymer causes toxic gas exit while you cook.Copper is also heavy metal which is very toxic for any species.Anyway Alaska is earthquake zone,you should keep the soil structure stable .Do not worry ,you will sell drinking water to world not copper in future.
3:05 David Montgomery's statement " this resource can be mined forever" should include "has been mined forever without a single shovel disturbing anything". If there is no way to extract those metals without a snowball's chance of ever, ever, ever harming Bristol Bay, no freaking Pebble Mine.
I find it outrageous and absurd that a project of this scale would even be proposed in this region. I applaud the EPA for doing its due diligence and research, I completely agreed with their assessment.
I was a commercial fisherman in Bristol Bay, and I fished the river with the Inuit Tribe. "Salmon if Life". If you only understand economics, just know that Salmon are a much more valuable resource, than any temporary mining operation. Stop this Pebble Madness, and Save the Salmon.
They are still fighting against this.... got a chance to fish last summer in bristol bay... great experience
If the mine was to be permitted, we should be on the lookout for an interesting episode on American Greed😎
This is the type of environment I was told about as a little kid. In my neck of the woods, the Chesapeake Bay, there were these massive piles of oysters - they were big pyramids of oysters, all cuddled together, you could sink your ship on them. That was 400 years ago. Now, tiny little piles of oysters are all that's left - there are so few, tbe oysters can't protect themselves, because they can't pile up for group protection, and they get killed. This is an ecosystem that is still alive, so fertile, like many places used to be. Losing this environment, one of the remaining living ecosystems outside of a national park in US territory, would be tragic, and have reverberating consequences regionally (and globally) on both humanity and the greater environment. We have to preserve what we have left - we can't let these last few systems get destroyed by human greed.
"You're like the salmon - you know when it's time to come home" ☺️
Omg I loved watching this doc. I enjoy expanding my mind to things going on outside of my world. Now I’m all for the people of this place to save them from the big corporations that just want to go in and make money. I’m in full support of the EPA to block them. You can’t eat copper or gold so why take the risk because you want to be greedy and line your pockets.
Wonderful documentary and I hope the EPA will step in and stop this disaster from happening.....
US EPA AS I AM AMERICA INDIAN MY SELF THIS IS WONDERFULL FOR YOUR DECISON THANK YOU DON KUNKEL NAPA CA
The salmon need to do more than "exist," they need to thrive …
The EPA is a very unpopular agency but in this case their decision was incredibly wise. All those people who put profit ahead of all else need to look at our mining history and the damage mankind has already caused. The track record of mankind is incredibly abysmal. In time, technology will improve to the point where we can truly mine in a safe manner. But we are not there yet.
17:09 "always respect what you catch never waste it"
I live right below the copper mine in Utah and know first hand the run off from mining the copper is deadly. As the Great Salt Lake is drying up the big local concern is the arsenic and other deadly tailings that are blowing in the wind now.
Absolutely our government should have learned by now what the waste from these mines have ruined complete towns and killed many many people from cancer and liver and internal issues! But their pockets don't stop them! No telling how many people die from the waste from these big companies! So happy Alaska stepped up, no big companies or government can be trusted!
perfect beauty of that land is " it's self a buried treasury for our childrens' childrens, a gold mine that is beyond priceless...no amount of dollars could ever replace "...
I'm appalled that this mine would even be considered. Greed is a destroyer.
Just what I was thinking...
Seems pretty simple to me...the risk does NOT outweigh the rewards
The Corporations that own everything disagree with you.
Keep Alaska wild!
I don't live in Alaska, but after seeing this it would be a bad idea to mine there. We as humans need to learn to leave certain things as is and stop destroying our lands and this EARTH we live on. I understand the need for certain resources, but we need to find out better ways to propel our future without continuing to destroy our lands.
The lose of the wetlands alone is unthinkable. Alaska is one of the world's last frontiers of wilderness that is truly wild and untouched still that's what I love about it there is a place were we as humans have not destroyed or ruined from bar greed having a shame.
What gets big business the right to destroy a habitat a way of life and the ecosystem
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I don’t live in Alaska… But, I can say that I don’t want them to dig there. Some things in Life are just meant to be left alone. ♥️
Power to the People!
It seems that people in the comments section aren't aware that this is a re-aired story from 2012 and that the US EPA made the Bristol Bay protections final. The future of the world's largest wild salmon fishery and the lifeblood of Alaska's Bristol Bay shines brighter after the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued a determination which effectively ends the threat of the proposed Pebble Mine.
Until you get the wrong politicians in office.