(Drunken) Doomed lamp rant
Вставка
- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Oh dear. This was recorded last weekend after a few too many fruit juices. It’s a follow-up to our previous video where Nigel and I discussed the upcoming demise of certain lamp technologies under UK and EU legislation. Firstly, thank you to those who contributed to the comments that I included and expanded upon here. I’m sorry for the text to speech on some of them - maybe I should fork out for premium voices, but the cheap store-band whiskey I’m bashing through doesn’t pay for itself. I’m sorry I couldn’t include all comments; if you’re not mentioned in this one then it isn’t down to your opinion being in any way invalid, merely that I could hardly slur a sentence together toward the end and had to call it a night.
Secondly, I name drop a few marques who have let me down in this one. That’s not to suggest their wares are inferior, that they’re deliberately out to dupe the public with cost-cutting designs or that problems with one range is endemic of all their lines. What I talk about here is fact: hard indisputable fact. I’ve sold my clients certain products from named brands and those products have gone on to fail after just months and long before the claims made on the packaging at the point of sale. Not just on one site and not just from one batch. I’m talking about many examples over a period of time.
Because I made promises to my customer that moving to LED would save on maintenance, and because I’m the last link in the supply chain, the warranty becomes my responsibility and I’m having to change out failed LED technology at my own expense both on time to source a replacement, return to site and change out the failure, but also because if it’s been in stock with me for a while, I may no longer have a right to return it to my own wholesaler leaving me ponying up for new hardware and stuck collecting the faulty old stuff.
This is unacceptable. The whole point of this “cleaner, greener” technology is to reduce waste, not to add to the eWaste headache by throwing away LED lamps and luminaires where one tiny element pops rendering the whole bally thing unusable. The brands named herein are the ones I get called to time and again. I can prove that: I’ve got piles of their failures sitting right here. It’s all very well for their suits to suggest their gear is robust as, no doubt, they would, but that means nothing when I’m the one up a ladder pulling a dead LED fitting of theirs down after fewer than eighteen months of light domestic use.
Links:
For a shout out on the next video and to keep me and Nigel in low cost Scotch:
www.buymeacoff...
Original video: • SH!T CHAT: Last orders...
Website article: www.dses.co.uk...
Lighting Industry Association: www.thelia.org...
Affiliate links:
Typical Amazon LED drivers that tend to do the biz:
amzn.to/3i8sJRs (12W) amzn.to/36BPN5y (20W)
My cack Amazon storefront:
www.amazon.co....
£50 off YourTradeBase real boi job tracking and invoicing software:
go.yourtradeba...
SumUp credit/debit card processing terminals for the jobbing jobber:
r.sumup.com/ref...
Money off Bulb energy (my current supplier):
join.bulb.co.u...
£10 off your first Huel order when you spend £40 or more:
huel.mention-m...
Get £40 credit for switching to Zen Internet:
zen.mention-me...
For web hosting, get £10 off at Krystal with the code DSESELECTRIC at checkout!
krystal.uk/
Nice to see you go true the comments.
Here in Europe and in the UK Osram and Sylvania are not part of LEDVANCE. Only in the US Sylvania is A pert of LEDVANCE. Sylvania Europe was brought by Yaming, a Chinese Lamp manufacturer located in Shanghai.
Crompton an BELL (British Electric Lamps lmd.) are the only Names of traditional British lighting manufactures, but again only hollow names, some Chinese company that only abuse the old quality name.
Thanks for the correction and the information provided previously.
Crompton fluorescents are made in China at CH lighting I believe. BELL tubes are made at the OPPLE factory in China. Their 8w tubes have higher resistance cathodes than regular 8w so last longer. They do 3 years 24/7 easily. They have been lasting well in the road sign lights. The T5 tubes at Wilko are also made by OPPLE but don’t have toughened cathodes. The GE T5 tubes are discontinued and Tungsram now make them.
Those text to speech voices had me in stitches , especially the "FUCK YOUR EYES" many thanks for this one David.
An odd array of accents available. Not sure about the 'Scottish American' talking about JCC bollard lights myself.
No mincing of words just straight blunt an to the point,
Nice one David . Great video as always mate 👍👍👍👍❤️⚡️
Evenin' Sean. Thanks as always for tuning in!
You, sir, are a fucking legend. Love the channel, shame you don't upload more often! 😉
Funnily enough, nobody seems to want to sponsor my rubbish, so I have to do it all in my spare time. I wonder if Signify's marketing department will be in touch?
@@dsesuk i think because of the occasional swear and the occasional unfamily friendly content, don't change though , if you need extra motivation make a only fans account showing nigel ass crack and we will subscribe provided adequate content in posted on it
@@cocoino2307 I once did a Dragon's Den aiming to get money for pimping out Nige's arse crack, however everyone but Peter Jones was out. And then he balked at the price.
Love this style of video as much as watching the quality work you do with Nigel on the job sites. Keep the videos coming 👍
Quality and style are two elements lacking wholly in any of our videos!
Glad to see that scope's amplitude sorted :)
Aye; dropped it down a notch!
Hi Dave, as an international caretaker and bulb changer of year ...... I do consider your views very very helpful indeed, also very witty ,funny.... Even the bad language makes me chuckle like finding a hair in my home made soup..... But seriously keep on going old mucker👍🏼🍻😂
@@dsesuk hi Dave, the T8 is a considerable favourite of mine..... It's durable, lightweight 5-ft or 6 ft slender length is a big winner..... And just before it stops working it goes black near the ends, pray heavens-above for the T8👍🏼😂😂
Absolutely brilliant and David, love the rants, I use the Collingwood CRT downlights and have only had a handful fail over a 10 year period but have to say the Sylvania round led lights from Screwfix are shite and the drivers keep failing with no replacement parts available so new fitting needed every tine. Keep up the great work👍
I hear good stuff about Collingwood. The Sylvania Sylcircle products (I assume) you're talking about, I have fitted myself with but one failure to date. As usual, a series LED arrangement with one that had popped.
I ran a conventional bulb on a soft start dimmer at my old house that was still going 20 years later when I sold the place, granted my desire to keep the light down low, my sexual stamina and my choice of girlfriends all helped to ease the stress on the filament I still think that's pretty impressive. Great video as usual.
...although I kinda read that as if to say your prowess with the fairer sex would perhaps be less successful if you turned the light up and the bitches could see you!
That as well 😜 I have some early Phillips hue GU10 bulbs which have done 2 years and are still ok but time will tell, I'm in a new build and every single one of the GU10 bulbs fitted by Bob the builder blew in under 6 months, alright for me as I'm a giant but my neighbour is a little old lady so I ended up doing hers as well, bulbs that is, there are so many led bulbs which are just a dropper resistor, diode and capacitor, couple that with poor quality installations and voltage spikes and fluctuations and you have a carpet load of dead bulbs, not really very earth friendly.
@@knoxieman I have Hue stuff too and there seems to be no problem with that. Maybe it's more... premium? I don't know. I think most of the time, failures with the likes of GU10 are down to poor heat dissipation as the lamp manufacturer is not in control of the can and how it's installed. Still, they know what people are going to be doing with it and should build it robustly enough to cope!
I converted my workshop to LED lighting so many years ago (must be more than a decade now) I cannot for the life of me remember when or where I purchased them from but the 8 off GU10 leds bulbs that I fitted have single led surface mount chips and all eight are still working perfectly. I too have Hue in the house, I had an issue with one lamp which Philips replaced but otherwise very reliable. Very expensive though so they should be reliable.
@@cbcdesign001 I think Hue is a different kettle of fish as the smart lighting is where companies want to lock you in. If they can sell you a smart lamp and work their app onto your phone, then they'll be hoping to flog you more of the same. Any smart-lamp company who got too cheap with their wares would be risking customers switching to a competitors ecosystem. The price of Hue lamps probably does reflect their robustness. As for "dumb" lamps, well what does a manufacturer care if they fail just outside the warranty?
Missing the Philips sodium lamps ❤️ especially the Pink start up...
LED Street lighting furniture 😭
I wonder if part of the problem with these GU10s is they’re not really built for our 250V+ circuits, manufacturers just sell the same euro lamps and we end up with a lot of failures from some brands. At least with bayonet or even 12V lamps you don’t have this issue so much as they’re built specifically for the UK market or a controlled voltage. In homes with PV on the roof I sometimes see over 260VAC.
Yes, I wonder if that's right too. The failed Philips lamps are specifically labelled 220-240V, but it's not unusual to see something higher out on site. They may be cracking over on the continent, but perhaps just sweat it out too much on Blighty power. If so, should they really be allowed for sale on these shores?
at a new installation my co-worker needed to mount + 100 Osram Tl Led lights, whitin a month, one after the other started to flikker randomly, we checked voltage, and even had a scope on the supply, but there was nothing obvious, the lights were Ip 67 rated and were properly mounted.
the wholesaler tried their best to help out by contacting the manufacturer, they gave us 10 new ones, but the problem came back and more and more lights started to do it. in the end the manufacturer said the lights were not made for this application and basically said good luck with it
This is like Points Of View. I bet Barry Took, Terry Wogan and Anne Robinson all had a tipple of Scotch whiskey during filming too.
There was an Anne Robinson cheeky wink at the end.
Long time ago Anne gave me a cheeky wink
The biggest problem with LED bulbs/lamps is they are overdriven, for the most part, and this shortens their life. This is not something that your average guy or girl without electronics experience could uncock because it would mean changing components within the lamp/ bulb.
Love your videos my friend, cheers.
That was another good point, that a lot of drivers are not compatible with other light fittings, and also you cannot buy the driver separate with some light fittings
Most brands seem to over drive their lamps slightly. That is the main reason for failure. Big Clive has made many videos on the subject. A lot of LED lamps, especially the cheaper ones, use half wave rectification, which causes flicker. The majority of people don't notice this, or at least don't think they do, but in people with lower Flicker Fusion Threshold (of which I am one), it can be very annoying. I can see flicker in LED car rear lights for example. They are fed with a variable rate PWM depending on the brightness required, and with a small mark and long space ratio which is what happens when they are just used as tail lights, it is particularly noticeable.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold
Thanks again for the recommendation by the way David. All the best.
A friend has some led grow lights in his home and is cultivating peppers beneath them. The light output so closely mimics natural daylight that they are growing well so it just goes to show that you can buy decent leds lights that are far closer to natural daylight than old fashioned incandescent lamps are. As for flicker, DC powered leds driven from a constant current source do not flicker so maybe that's a potential solution for those of a sensitive disposition? The bulb/lamp wording issue, manufacturers call them bulbs so that's good enough for me.
Are you sure they're peppers? Don't have spikey green leaves do they?
The Philips (Signify) lamps are about the same price per LED package on the board as the Olsent ones (the Woolworths lamps). Not sure about reliability, though - they both ran rather on the hot side before I snipped off a resistor on each, so I expect that "terrible" would probably describe it quite well.
I may have been a bit disingenuous about calling my lights disco lights. They are in fact stage blinders (used in theatre and rock n roll gigs). There are led equivalents available at £20 + VAT, but there’s 10 in each unit and I have 4 units, possibly soon to be 8…. And halogen just looks better.
Problem with led 12v replacements in automotive and leisure applications is the "12v" bus is often sitting at 13.8v when on site. Have personally seen g4 replacements get so hot the solder melts.
Also bung a couple of those failed Phillips gu10s Clive's way
I guess a good G4 LED would have a regulator to iron out the input voltage.
@@dsesuk those tend to be too large for the teeny fittings. We just ended up replacing the fitting with an integrated led and hand rolling a lower current driver for long life... But for the non electronics geek that's not an option
As usual Dave very entertaining and to the point. You can call them Bulbs Lamps or Light bulbs but when you get a call back I just call the shite.
I hear that.
I've had trouble with Phillips, even going back to cfl's. I go for Osram now where possible.
I guess I am really unlucky. My LEDVANCE floodlight has developed a fault. Sometimes it just stays on 24/7. A power cycle sometimes fixes it for a while, but I've had to take it down and replace it with a shit unbranded one for half the price.
No, it's not just you. We thought at the time that LEDVANCE was solid, but we're being hit with one warranty failure after another this year. I've been kicking them around Twitter for it and more will be said in a future video. It seems they're yet another brand who can't make an outdoor luminaire with any serviceable parts or longevity.
Superb Rant David, don't ever change,your top of my viewing list.
Worth noting that ovens are interesting use cases as the heat from the halogen is actually useful and will help the oven maintain its temperature. It's one situation where I applaud and uphold the use of halogen.
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of options for energy saving lighting in ovens I suspect!
I've noticed that LED lighting is too blue and cold... That's why I like to hang about in places with Red lighting... ;).
I've some 1800K LED lamps, the output is very like the low pressure sodium lamps. No blue there. I think it all depends on the quality of the phosphor.
I LOVE this - it's like Points of View with a drunk and hairy Terry Wogan. :)
Agree with your sentiments. I am all for moving to low energy LED lighting, if quality components are used in conjunction with a solid design it can far exceed any older lighting types. However we're stuck with manufacturers churning out absolute shite, over driven, cheap, poor quality garbage. I would quite happily pay a few quid more for a lamp (bulb, call it what the fuck you like) that lasted 5 years and puts out a decent light.
Like the Dubai Lamps, which we’re not allowed to buy over here! Big Clive did a video about them.
@@bigjd2k Yes, I saw the video. They are normal lamps, slightly under driven with more leds to keep the lumin output the same. From memory they didn't do different colour temperatures though.
Absolutely. I'd pay extra for something that was guaranteed to last - something properly engineered.
What is your opinion on LED maintained emergency lights? They don’t seem like such a good idea as the LEDs can’t be replaced when they fail. I know of fluorescent ones working after 30 years 24/7 and only requiring a tube every 3-5 years.
In theory they can be built to last 50 years, but like everything it’s a race to the bottom in quality and lifetime…
@@bigjd2k Yeah the old LED indicator lights can last 30 years 24/7. Not sure about the newer COB ones but they too can last a hell of a long time if under driven with good cooling and good quality. As for emergency lights that are maintained I prefer fluorescent. I have a road sign light from 1978 which ran 24/7 and still works. It’s not just the LEDs themselves I see failed, batteries and the plastic casings can fail leading to water ingress.
Depends if the LEDs last or not. I've not experienced any such luminaires yet where the LED strip has failed over the battery or PCB. Some fluorescent ones we're replacing wholesale after twenty years (although batteries and tubes have been replaced along the way), but by that point they're often ready to be ripped out. If a LED model can put in that kind of distance requiring only battery maintenance, then that's quite reasonable. It's too early to tell how well they're being made at present though.
As brands go I personally find the Ansell floodlights, specifically the Calinor range, brilliant, the build quality is great, the polycarbonate casing does not fade in the sun, the bare metal work is stainless steel and the brackets have a nice powder coated finish that doesn't fail, first one that I installed was 4 years ago and it looks like new
I hear good things about Ansell. They're just not stocked in my branch of Cities.
if we could also see a schematic circuit of the ASDA and other brands then we could see where PHILLIPS is cutting corners
Ref the IP floodlight: I find water ingress happens via the inside of the flex.
Throwback to watching Points of View in the 80's, just better!
It's like Barry Took had it off with Anne Robinson. One way or another, cheap whiskey would have to be involved.
I'm a big fan of LED, right from the beginning, the thing I don't like is the premature failure of the Panel light fittings, 600mm x 600mm, or the circular type, not because the LED'S fail but the outer diffuser discolours and goes yellow or brown and not only look bad but the light output is reduced.
I've been a proponent of LED too. Most of my house lighting was converted from CFL back in 2011 when Focus DIY went bust. My local store was clearing out GE LED lamps at a 90% discount on their last day to clear the shelves and I loaded up a trolley of the things for me, friends, family and resale on eBay. Those lamps are still going strong too.
Well that was a nice casual video.. also i appreciate the previous shouts about SumUp i used them after seeing your video about them and have had a good experience so far.
Glad to hear of it old chap. SumUp are pretty nifty - certainly better than those PayPal knobheads!
As every video just fucking genius! Also like seeing you and the old man around Leamington
These people with led sensitivity, how do they find watching TV or their phone screen ? As that isn’t just ambient light, it’s something you actually stare right at.
I’m not questioning the existence of led sensitivity, just curious really.
Haha yes David, the advertisement after your video was the jcc fire guard fitting with changeable BULBS.....not the ones you put in the ground 🤣. Good witty video 👍
Brilliant.
The thing with colour rendering or the tone of the lights we are using now is the that for some their natural eye colour's (pupil) are Redish/brown, Greenish/brown, Blue, blue/white; and the tones or colour renderings are in total conflict with the natural vision. As a professional driver I hear all the time complaints from people that LED car lamps are too bright and blind them. I at the time take a quick peek at the colour of their eyes and guess what they are brown, on the other hand I hear from blue eyed people that they can't stand driving in fog as they yellow/ burnt orange glow of Fog light blinds them. The most natural colour that never bothered anyone came from the incandescent lamp or filament lamp, as it was close to that of a burning flame being slightly yellow. These bright blue colours that are now apparent in LED light and some Metal Haloid lamps are definitely causing headaches and disturbances to nature. Rant over , I am not an ophthalmologist by the way I am coach driver.
I'm surprised by the flicker in automotive electronics as seen when you view a 24fps video of LED lights on cars as I'd have assumed they would just be driven by a regulator off the 12VDC supply (noisy though it is from the alternator). I guess there's method to the madness in there somewhere Andrew.
LED isn't the most efficient either. Philips (AKA Signify) discontinued SOX lamps and recommended people move to "more efficient LEDs". SOX lamps get noticeably higher lumens per watt compared to LED.
Thoughts on Timegaurd floodlighting?
Why, I've a whole blog on Timeguard Stephen: www.dses.co.uk/index.php/personal-blog/155-timeguard-led-floodlights - although despite the positive praise awarded in that article, I've fitted few of them as my local CEF don't stock 'em. Of those I've fitted, I've had no callbacks. Have you any experience with them?
@@dsesukI can't fault them for LED lighting (Although CJR hits them with a hammer), their PIRs though had them for a while then went to Danlers if replacement required. You really do get what you pay for in this world :) lamps I find Megermann work well also with a faster spark up time in comparison to others. Keep up the good work Sir!
@@stephencoulthard1718 I must admit, I do go out of my way to source the Timeguard PIRs. We've had so much trouble with other brands - Screwfix used to sell a solid one, but then they got cheap and changed it out for one so bad they had to pull it because of all the negative reviews. My CEF sell Zinc models, the same as you'd get in Toolstation. Way to cheap looking for me to take a punt on. The Timeguard ones I can get out of Eddies though, and they do me alright.
@@dsesuk with you on that, can't fault the Timegaurd PIR for normal use. But have found when used in loft/soffet dependent Flies/insects can get in to the back as only IP rated from the front.
Hi Dave , just wondering , will the LED g4 also be taken out of circulation ? Thanks
That wasn’t the voice I expected either…
challeneger for floods and fusion for lamps, that's all we use and i can't remember replacing one so far.
Challenger's a surprise - I've had some duds with them in the past. That's what my local CEF stock and I haven't used that brand for years after having my dick caught in my zip with some of their floodlights! Fusion have been pretty robust for me though.
F€cking A. Love your stuff. Keep the truth coming.
As an inhabitant of Philips' founding town Eindhoven, sadly, I can only say that Philips has moved on from being a true blue collar company to a white collar only company and everything that is the inevitable result of that. Consider Philips a brand now, NOT a manufacturer.
The engineers have moved on and some have founded their own companies. From the lighting division, Opple and Noxion spring to mind, the latter of whose products I have good experiences with. Never mind Signify, that's just the continuation of the Philips Lighting brand by white collars, which as David implies, may not be of the same quality as it used to be.
Must be painful to watch the decay Lenny.
Compact fluorescents have been long replaced by LEDs. Atleast here in Germany. Nobody really likes them here.
What baffles me is that they want to completely ban halogens and Fluorescent Tubes.
There are certain applications where an LED Replacement is just not possible.
Yes, the good ol' CFL has rightly had its day. As you say though, I don't think we're quite ready to see the back of halogen and fluorescent in such a wholesale manner.
@@dsesuk I don’t think we are ready to see the back of petrol cars or gas boilers but it’s coming
Totally agree with LEDVANCE floodlights, fitted loads and only had one fail
Sorry Dave, After the magazine segment I had to shoot off (No Comment). Did I miss anything :). Great Work as Always.
I'd say you put your time to better use old fruit.
@@dsesuk Let me know how the magazine ends. I like a good storey.
I'm not in the trade, nor do I really have any weight in my opinion but I really like aurora brand stuff, downlighters and floods so far at least have been good sturdy quality and easy to wire up. Further to this insulation coverable too. I guess time will tell if they live up to their initial quality and somewhat decent reputation from my personal research
We've been fitting a lot of Aurora cans lately as our local CEF have switched to them. I rate them.
@@dsesuk well that's certainly reassuring. Good stuff
Well said Dave on “light bulbs” 😂😂
I suspect that Nigel might at least partially agree with Gordon there.
The main problem is no one wants to pay £25 per lamp, so you're always going to get carp quality lights. My own contraptions are much better, and can easily get flicker free CRI 98+. LEDVANCE floodlights are 'ok' but do not have sufficient heatsinking - if you use them in warm areas or indoors they fail quickly!
Oh nuts. Don't tell me you've seen LEDVANCE failing to make the grade too Steve!
@@dsesuk not outside, but I had a pair put on a work light stand. After 4 weeks indoor use they were both dead! Got a couple of flickery Osram GU10s too 😩
It's not really too much about the price, it's planned obsolescence. Manufacturers can absolutely make better LEDs for the same price and many used to do so.
Most LEDs now are driven far too close to the line intentionally so that they can sell more of them more often.
As you'll be aware making your own stuff, dropping the brightness down by 5-10% can be the difference between a small heater that lasts 6 months, and an LED lamp that'll last forever.
Oooh love the audio signal variation on your oscilloscope as you spoke - well played Sir, well played….hiding your intelligence under your well known dunce cap you wear all the time.
May as well run the mic through it although, I assure you sir, no intelligence was expended in the making of this video.
@@dsesuk you know you need to do another one on the quality or lack of for light fittings.
@@mathman0101 Some of the diy store luminares might as well be made of paper they're so poorly constructed and designed
This UA-cam video is just like one of those slurry ranty arguments you have in the pub with your mates. Not that I rant about obsolescent lamps with my mates, well not all of the time. God I've missed the pub; coved you are a Basterfield and hopefully will go the way of the incandescent lamp.
Dank auto spelling correction.
I spazzed out. Now rewatching
Best way to watch I suspect Andrew.
@@dsesuk I was still pretty melted on the second viewing... I have a a very large stash of lamps which are getting harder to find but pretty much all of them are theatre ones. My particular favourite being ACLs.
When are you and Nigel going to develop a game show?
LED lamps are like Electric cars...they want to sell them to us before they have a finished reliable product. Always improving, but at the cost of the consumer. One day i'm sure they will be reliable perfected, and cheap..but they don't want to sell you long lasting lights do they? bad business model. Does my nut right in...😒 good rant and debate there Dave...
….EVs are way more reliable than ICE cars. I think you meant to say “cheap”. Also, with LED lamps there are plenty of examples of long lasting products. I’ve over 50 GU10s in my house, 30 of them in regular use (kitchen, halls, bathrooms). Not had one go in six years.
@@AdrianColes I agree, I bought some "Tesco" own brand LED GU10s about 7 years ago, in use every day, still going strong lol. I dunno, it's a lottery really... Regards EV's yes, there are less mechanical parts to go wrong, i get that, but they have not tested in the real world, the freezing environments, rain, AC requiremnets, Lights, all a drain on the batteries, Manufacturers are all claiming "theirs is the best!" yeah right..like always, motor manufacturers claiming "false" data to back their products. sales...sales....sales...deal with the aftermath later...hmmm.
@@AdrianColes Quite right. Evs are far more reliable than fossils, fewer less complicated moving parts so less to go wrong.
I've got a vintage lava lamp it uses standard BC Lamps the lamp sits in a ring latest tungson lamps diameter is too small so I bought a lot of old stock lamps to keep my lava lamp going long after my death. If you like the old lamps then just fucking stock up while you can. FFS it's not rocket science. Also got 100s of pifco lamps for my vintage Christmas lights it's not hard planning ahead
When the Chinese nuke us, I suspect you, your lava lamp, your Christmas lights and a bunker load of tinned food will be all that's left Ashley!
@@dsesuk how did you know I have a stash of now defunct. Hinez toast topper
Just stock up on plenty of bulbs, err i mean lamps, now before they are discontinued. Get a big stash of them, and if you find you no longer need them, others will buy them on ebay i'm sure in time to come. Cheers David
I might just - especially with G9 and G4 as there's a killing to be made on oven lamps!
The glass refilled, but the bottle of rola cola didnt change! Dave are you drinking rich boy Coca Cola, but claiming to be drinking the cheap stuff?
I'm calling you out Savery! :P
Sir, I assure you I am drinking absolute pig urine all round.
Hi David
Another quality video
Cheers
It a pleasure not sure how you find time time for the putting videos together but glad you do
No more christmas cards from Philips Dave LOL !!!!
Well, shit. And their marketing department was just about to offer me a phat contract too!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Yes David! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
brittle pins also hot glass ,soon to be the past ,the is future is special brew lol
You didn't even top your drink up at around 20 minutes !!! amateur lol love from Belfast
that's a very weak scotch and coke, David... Well, I say coke loosely as it's rolacola and I say scotch very loosely too as it looks like Tescoses own-brand. Looks terribly weak in any case.
Personally I wouldn't buy cheap cola 🤣
If only I were on a plumber's wages.... Just think, brand name Coke! It's the dream!
Oh no. Silviena owned by China too. Hope quality doesn’t reduce
It's been a case of so far, so good for me with Osram, Sylvania and LEDVANCE. If they have any sense, they'll keep up the reputation, especially with some of the big name competition rubbishing themselves in the eyes of installers such as myself.
Do love a good DS rant................
@@dsesuk - Just seen a new video from Artisan, Jordan is looking for new sparks, might be worth you and mighty Nigel doing a video application you two would fit right F***** in at Artisan - Oh still want some Bulbs...?
24min video your not drinking quick enough Savery 🤣🤣
I'd already boshed out half a box of white wine that afternoon.
I'm the worst person for whiskey normally do half a glass of the Irish stuff and half coke 🤣 my measurements are shit ;)
@@dsesuk half a box, not bottle 🤣 your the man.
My comment about your last vid was ' its like a sweary version of the chuckle brothers', its looks like you've come up to date now as theres only one of you.
What? Too soon?
🙂
So long as it's the talented one that keeps going...
@@dsesuk 😬
David, please ,even cheap whisky only has water or more whisky added, not the chemical poison you have near it.
All the best,
The Drunken Scotsman
I think I'm more in danger of the cheap Cola here.
@@dsesuk If you like a good cheap whisky try the Aldi Glen Marnoch Speyside single malt. 18 quid a bottle and worth every penny.
Don't listen to the carp. A relaxing stay staycation beside a Scottish Loch is well deserved after all those wasted man hours replacing so called quality branded trash.
I could just go for that Jon, except I don't normally venture north of Birmingham out of fear of the solid, raining fog we middle-Earther's are led to believe lurks up there.
For f*ck sake David please don’t change and start churning four of the same videos out a week and telling us how good Tradify and ITS are.
To be fair to Tradify, they were about the only company to ever offer to pay to sponsor my rubbish! I turned them down as I use a rival product which I happen to get along with better.
Hear me out. LAP downlights the 5.5w all in one, I have fitted boxes and boxes of these fucking things cheap as shit, easy to install with the wago type push down tabs massive boxes for cables I have only ever had 4 failures and they lasted just under 2 years. The warranty on them is 3 years but for the price of them it wasn't even worth arguing the toss. Fuck I even fitted them in my house. Now if your one of these people who say I don't fit anything from screwfix because it's trash yes some LAP items are a waste of money but these things are so good for the money there was a point where screwfix pretty much giving these fuckers away. It's all I fit now unless someone wants wants fancy bezels at which point I tend to get the customer to supply them.
That's interesting Jack as I got put off LAP LED products about five or six years ago where they were clearly cack, but people on social media have been bigging them up more recently. It's certainly the case that on a recent big town house refurb, the LAP decorative lamps fitted last December are still going, while the Crompton models used on the same job all failed inside a week.
Enhanced by slurrily
Did you make your own drinks labels? You’re not on the BBC ya know.
No, this brand is just one step up from Sainsbury's Basics!
what a bunch of bullshit regarding the people with LED insensitivity, I bet they don't realise TVs and phones are OLED based and monitors have been LED backlit since the 90s
Love it but not in the shitter
Nigel will be disappointed.
Care in the community.... LOLz
Fuckin'Gordon 🙄🤣
Gordon is a moron. Or so the song goes.
@@dsesuk 🍻👍😀 cheers buddy
maybe send a couple of your failed lamps to bigclive to perform an autopsy on
I think he has bigger fish to fry. I'd prefer a backwater channel like mine be involved. Not that I have anything against BC - I am a subscriber myself, but I'm for engaging with the underdogs. So to speak.
@@dsesuk Dave, try my old buddy Julian Ilett. He’s a smart cookie with a nice dry sense of humour.
Ha ha good man Daveo funny as fuck, a rum and black for me sir, and yes Philips products are complete horse shite these days. Ledvance for me a better batch of muck.
Finger placement 16 minutes in 👆
Strategic.
Buy a decent whiskey man are you a spark or a scruffy builder ? 🤣
Now David, you are only this angry because you eventually found out Nigel pissed in your drink some time ago and you necked the lot. I'm just glad this video is the only one not sponsored by fucking Tradify.....
I was in Leamington Spa but the taxi driver demanded that I show him ID to prove that I'm from Leamington spa before he took me to Banbury in Oxfordshire. The man is Gordon somebody, he refuses to give people a ride unless theyre from Leamington Spa and he said I was tourist.
I bloody knew it!
@@dsesuk I've come to Leamington spa many times I used to work over there. I bet he gets a lot of customers what does he do ask everyone for ID to prove they're from Leamington spa ? He brands everyone a tourist if you are from out of town. I bet he is a barrel of laughs talking to, probably bangs on about how the tourists keep on coming over to his town and drinking in the bars and then coming out and vomiting on the pavements and urinating in the doorway of McDonalds and all of the tourists that come over by the day that sit in the parks and drop all of their litter on the ground and blocking the towns roads holding him up to take Margaret to bingo.
@@kevb9772 Now he sounds like my wife...