10 BIG Questions Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth Still DOESN'T ANSWER
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- We had a hundred different burning questions that we desperately wanted answers to heading into Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, and while many of them were of course answered, they’ve been replaced by several new ones. The game raises tantalizing questions from beginning to end, and similar to its predecessor, in its final chapters, it bombards you with major new revelations and twists that takes further still, something that is compounded by the fact that this remake trilogy is clearly not content with just sticking to the original’s script.
With the developer wanting to tell new things, in the aftermath of Rebirth, we’re left with several huge questions about how the trilogy’s final chapter is going to bring all of the pieces set by its predecessor together. - Ігри
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I'm also curious if/when Cloud will "follow the yellow flowers" Aerith mentioned this in remake during the Shinra escape but didn't know exactly what it meant because of the Whispers taking her memories. In the void we see Zack following Yellow flower petals in order to arrive to help Cloud in his multiversal battle with Sephiroth. Yellow flowers (those symbolizing lovers being reunited) are a constant theme in the game, so I'm curious if the implication by Cloud hearing these words in Remake, means that eventually he too will need to traverse the multiverse and the yellow flowers will be his 'guide' like they were for Zack.
Woahhh this is cool, completely forgot about Aerith talking about the yellow flowers.
Nope
I can definitely see that in the ending part of the game. It would be a cool concept if sephiroth is literally trying to unite the worlds in a single point and Aerith is trying to unite worlds against a single villain, sending cloud to hit him with a Zack/Cloud multiversal Omnislash.
I don't think Cloud is seeing a spirit form of Aerith. I think he created a new timeline when he deflected Sephiroth's sword, and so he's actually split off into a different timeline where she's still alive. That would explain why he barely seems sad after she dies, and also explain why only he can see her and see the tear in the sky.
So we're seeing basically two timelines being superimposed on top of each others, a split that will probably end up re-converging at the point where cloud has his famous identity crisis in part 3. Feels like something they could nicely fit into that.
That’s an over complication gone over complicated
And exactly how the creator likes it.
@@AdamW-eo2yq Yeah I don't disagree. Although I think they could resolve it cleverly in the 3rd part by winding that into Cloud's identity crisis, that we already know is going to happen anyway.
Didn't red also sense aerith?
@@fall5923yeah like how Zack was able touch Aerith’s hand through the worlds during the Gi sequence.
In part 3 we will probably get Aerith adventures in the life stream to coincide with the main story. There’s a reason why they showed us the war in the life stream with Tifa.
I would say from a narrative perspective it would be essential to show Aerith’s original travel back to Remake-equipped from her knowledge. Without the explanation for her knowledge in Remake we have nothing.
part 3 is gonna be amazing with noctis and sora joining clou in the fight
Yup dont forget goofy, donald, and the 9 nobodies whoses names start with an X or a Z
And Yozora @@HipHopRylan
We have to fight 13 sephiroths and need 7 clouds to do so. We have to hurry though, cloud is already half sephiroth
Cloud DID save Aerith though. Sephiroth explained in detail that a new timeline is created anytime someone defies fate. Cloud created a new timeline where she lives when he saves her, but he’s stuck between both timelines. That’s why he sees Aerith when nobody else does. I hope they can bring her back or merge the two timelines or something
My biggest “Didn’t Answer” was the point of Zack and Biggs’s timeline hops. Both of them express that they know their fates are now not the same, and both (rightfully so) question their “purpose”. Zack seems right about being “plucked” from the timeline where he died, and also being needed, which would imply the same is true for Biggs. Biggs’s fate in Rebirth currently feels completely unfinished and “plucking” him from a timeline in which he died, just for us to see him die again in a completely NEW one is an absolute waste that doesn’t hold to the theme they were implying that even “minor roles” are important.
Rebirth also never addresses Jessie’s glove that we see with Biggs at the end of Remake, and it would be sloppy writing to add all these red herrings in a game about destiny/fate.
There was no point,it was just to add random stuff like all modern ff games.instead of crafting a good game,they purposely make games that Leave fan theories smh
@@holy9781That honestly seems to be true
@@holy9781 I've seen a theory on this about how biggs is accepting fate and zack is fighting fate. So to speak that their interaction had to happen for zack to be ready for what was to come. this is a very loose interpretation mind.
Why worry so much about Gi Nattak? Just tell him "here, we've got you the black materia" and instead hand him a phoenix down.
ya cause an ancient and intelligent powerful extraterrestrial being who CREATED the black materia from the literal essense of there beings, by corrupting the planets strongest materia's 1000's of yrs ago with there unquenchable and deep seeded hatred for the ancients and the planet itself wouldnt be able to distinguish between the 2.
Or a X-potion 😂
@@angelopianamusic4482I see what you did there
It's an incredible game overall but they really messed up the impact of Aerith's death with all the confusion of multiple timelines.
I was even satisfied with the impact of cloud saving Aerith and thought this was the case until eventually realizing like "oh, I guess she did still die then" after all the fighting
Ehh I felt it was ok tbh, I think the moment at the church with aerith hit harder bc the music was just more emotional there. Although they kinda "ruined" the aerith stab scene, imo they didnt, they just took a different approach bc she's "dying" but not really gone. I think all other scenes enhance the OG except the aerith one bc it's different and not what OG fans wanted. But then again it's already hinted a lot of times that it was going to be different.
@@dekaynine6347 I didn't really mind that they want to change the story and have multiple timelines but for me it definitely ruined the impact of one of the most memorable moments of all gaming history from the original.
Like I don't even remember the moment with Aerith that you're referring to because there was so much happening. All of it was very epic and intense and had incredible action and was beautiful to look at.. But just ultimately unsatisfying to me because of the confusion
I think Cloud did save a version of Aerith, just not 'our' Aerith. The world he wakes up in with Aerith has yet another version of Stamp on the chip bag.
@@kylemartin8991 yeah I felt like they couldve let some of the moments in this game sink in a little more, like letting the music play out just a bit longer.
@@kylemartin8991 I was confused until after you beat the last boss and then you see Tifa and Yuffie crying with Barret and the others distraught over her death. It was very emotional when Cloud says goodbye to Aerith before he boards the Tiny Bronco
In hindsight the problem with this is that Aerith's death is heroric, in the same way Galuf's death is heroric.
The reason the original Final Fantasy 7 is remembered is because Aerith's death is not heroric. She is cut down mercilessly in the prime of her life and her friends don't get a chance to say goodbye.
I don't know if they made the right call here, because Aerith's death in the original forces the player to confront the totallity of death and the pain of not saying goodbye to someone you love.
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth gives you some reprieve from the loss of sudden death by giving Cloud a chance to say goodbye.
For Zack. It's shown three timelines.
1. At Shinra HQ
2. At Mako Reactor
3. Sitting outside the church. Can't decide which one whose to choose before Sephiroth walks by and send him to the void.
Zack was never shown to have been killed in the two timelines because he didn't need to take a last stand and plus he had no reason stick around. He had somewhere else to be.
It'll take more than just a squad of shinra troopers to take Zack out.
I think people forget he’s a legit soldier 1st class 😂
Yeah this, to even kill this man without elite soldiers
They need to send a whole army just for him
Only reason why they got him the first time was because he was poisoned, exhausted and did come out from a relitivly hard fight prior
They got lucky.
Here thou. Dudes fresh
Its five timelines with Zack. The one we were shown throughout the game(terrier), Reactor, Hojos lab, sitting in front of church(different stamp in johnys arms) and the one where Cloud and Aerith are visiting the church (after waking up in her house, assuming it was zack who brought them there(another new stamp)
@@omensoffateSOLDIER 1st Class Operative actually
I always thought that when Red felt Aerith's presence, it was more of animals that could see things that we couldn't just like kids.
What I don’t get is the overlap. Zack being a separate timeline is understandable, but why does he make it to Midgar after Avalanche has bombed reactors and tried to escape with Aerith? Without Cloud why is Aerith even in contact with Barret and Tifa?
Well Zack's timeline is a kinda fake one, that's a mixture of several others. You see this when they start talking about Cloud, and it's clear that Biggs' memory of Cloud is from the completely different timeline, so Zack is just confused who he's even talking about.
yes,
As per checking there's only 1-2 year gap between zack's death and the start of ff7 (tifa's recollection of 5 years if I remember is the nibleheim incident).
Zack's timeline was not fully explored, but it could be that after zack survived and carried cloud, he did not go straight to midgar. He probably just tended cloud for 1-2 years in hiding and happened to enter midgar after the avalanche's mission.
As for aerith, we know cloud fell straight to the church. Without cloud around, avalanche could have made things differently, maybe the entire party even fell to the church and aerith tended to them, fight turks and escape the church with aerith. Aerith becomes a valuable party member and would want to rescue her when turks got her.
They will ultimately fail the last part because cloud isn't around to drive the motorcycle.
These are just speculations but it is still a possible turn of events in zack's timeline.
Yeah makes 0 sense and neither does Zack understand what is Biggs smoking
@@mrskye08from what u understand its its literally days when Tifa found cloud at the train station.literally wouldn't make sense cloud was wondering sick for 1 to 2 years smh
Part 1 - Remake
Part 2 - Rebirth
Part 3 - Reunion
Reunion is where all timeline merges where Aerith and Zac lives and have one epic battle with Sepiroth.
I don’t think Aerith in the end is a spirit at all. And it’s CERTAINLY not a hallucination, red senses her presence and the camera sticks on her AFTER cloud has left when he shouldn’t be able to hallucinate her. He’s saying a real living Aerith, just not the one exactly from his timeline. Cloud is experiencing two timelines at once. We see the rainbow flare when cloud saves Aerith, which is shown throughout the game to mean a new timeline is created. The camera than rapidly flips between cloud holding an alive aerith and a dead aerith, which is very disorienting. That’s not just to mess with us or for goofs, that’s what cloud is experiencing. TWO TIMELINES at once. Because the aerith lives timeline is created at the same time as sephiroth is trying to make timelines merge (as we see with Zack) it has the weird effect of half merging the timelines to where only cloud can see both. Its the same reason only cloud sees the rift. Because he sees both Aerith’s alive timeline; where there is a rift, and the normal one. To his friends who are only in their timeline, they don’t see the rift because it doesn’t exist for them.
If the entire argument is that red senses her then no shit if she's in the lifestream or a different timeline no matter which you believe she is still dead physically where the party is Cloud not realizing that is a big problem
@@thebrigade7684if no one calls him out on his shit then is it a big problem? the man forced Tifa to jump into a pool of mako and nobody called him out on his shit. I want a solid confrontation gdi!
@@sebeed2324 I dunno the most probable scenario is that the party themselves never saw why Tifa fell and then the other part is that lifestream shows Tifa what cloud actually did when she was looking for her mother on top of showing her that she's gonna lose Cloud to Sephiroth the only connection she has with her past because everyone else either died or they are no longer in contact at all so she rather chooses to forgive him and makes a vow to be there for him and doesn't mention it to the party of what actually happened. The ending shows though that even she lost most of her hope over cloud doesn't even say a word to him he is so far gone.
Ya Aerith living is the entire pay off for the multiple timelines storyline/defying fate and it does make sense that she wouldn’t survive in the main timeline I also fully believe Aerith will “die” in all the timelines before the ending aligning the ending of the retrilogy with advent children and giving all the sickos the tragic Aerith farewell they are waiting for
@@Besse109 That would suck lol. My main reason for playing is the hope that they'll let Aerith live hahaha
I loved Rebirth and the gameplay overall but I hate that they are succumbing to the multiverse drug. I hope by the end everything gets tied up properly because if they leave it with more unanswered questions, they won't have another game to wrap it up unless they extend it to a fourth game which I don't see happening.
Yeah I hate that everything has to be multiverse these days it was cool at first but now it's just getting old.
It's all in the name of fanservice. Honestly making a great product faithful to a very well known story wouldn't have been easy either, as a huge part of the feels everyone had back in the 90-00s happened thanks to the surprise factor. So how do you sell a classic without losing the wow factor? You just bring back to life beloved but dead characters and twist the whole thing to a total mess. Et voilà
@@taxoI think the games would be perfect if they just would get rid of the strange endings/multiverse stuff and have sephiroth less present. All the other changes are great. Seeing more of the characters and all that was all i wanted. The multiverse inclusion ruins everything for me, like litterally 10% of the content is so terrible that it goes from a solid 9.5/10 to a 3/10 for me.
@@brotbrotsen1100 problem is you should never remake games whose main selling point is the story, cause you either make a 1:1 copy of it with enhanced graphics and it gets super predictable, or you need to change the plot and it becomes a different thing. The multiverse thing is sorta good idea cause lets you say " the story was X but due to multiverse theory there's some unexpected twist now, and new possibilities are a thing". Problem is the multiverse thing is super abused nowadays, and yeah, too much Sephiroth totally kills the character
@@taxo I mean, i already said i don't need 1:1, they changed other stuff around before the multiverse reveal in Remake and that was totally fine.
Please check your timestamp titles because some of them have horrible spelling mistakes on names. Sethro is Sephiroth, Zach is Zack & Aith is Aerith
Typical Nomura-Style, Nojima writing. Things just start happening at a breakneck pace and aren't explained (at the moment) or sometimes arent explained at all and left for interpretation. Sometimes you'll even have to go outside the game to get answers.
All for the sake of subverting expectation or eagerly attempting to be "deep" or dramtic and horribly failing at it. 😒
It's a shame too because outside of the last part of the game, this game is pretty damn good.
Pretty darn good is an understatement. The game is an absolute masterpiece . I haven’t loved a game like this since I was a kid tbh
Sephiroth wants to win. I'm order to win, he had to break Destiny. Breaking Destiny created other timeliness, but those timelines aren't stable and most of those collapse. Sephiroth wants to merge everything back together into a timeline where he succeeds.
Not enough visual kei yet tho
I think a cool twist to the story with the Gi would be that Red figures out a way to end their torment without giving them the Black Materia, as he vows to do in that one side quest, and in exchange, we recruit them to fight Sephiroth at the end of the 3rd game. Sort of reminiscent of the Oathbreakers from Lord of the Rings.
I think the Clear Materia will be the key to all of this. It grants your wish when you fill it with prayers and memories. Sephiroth, Jenova, and the Gi cannot die bcs they're aliens and the Lifestream rejects them. Maybe w/Aerith's help.and a cleansing spell of sort, all 3 parties will die and be put to rest in part 3
My question is in zachs timeline it says an ex soldier with a buster sword is fighting with avalanche but how is that possible if that cloud is still mako poisoned and comatose
that's the Lifestream-world, not an actual "timeline". Lifestream-world is the place that contains the soul, the memories, the emotions of all living beings. As we can see, it collected pieces of memory here, pieces of memory there from different people and they're all stuffed in there.
i was thinking the exact same thing.
There’s no timeline lol
Unless theres something I am missing, which is possible, my answer is, there is no answer. The game is an absolute mess once they pulled the multiverse out of there ass to answer questions that never needed to be asked to begin with.
@@HipHopRylan white influencers thinking this is multiverse just because of marvel bullshit influencing their minds is the funniest thing ever. The worlds Sephiroth keeps blabbering about is the lifestream, that’s it. Cloud is an unreliable narrator at the end of the game and it’s so obvious
With the appearance of the white whispers, the whole concept of whispers to me are starting to represent the battle between good and evil that happens within the lifestream between Aerith and Sephiroth during the book “On The Way To A Smile” based on the AC movie (there are “black” and “white” lifestream sections within the book, 3 per color, that speak to this), where the whispers could essentially be the lives of those that have yet to move on to the next life, kind of analogous to ghosts in our world. Seems like they begin dark and cold, lacking forgiveness and are full of regret, as those who don’t accept their death and thus, do not assimilate to the lifestream, falling into some sort of purgatory limbo existence. I believe some whispers have now become white due to Aerith’s influence on them, essentially bringing them to her side. But I can be completely wrong, those are just my personal thoughts on it
It's a really good video and it gives a lot of sense to the theory that this game is a sequel to Advent Children or an alternative story line of the OG FF7. As explained in the video Sephiroth is aware of the timelines, whispers are a big part of the story, Marlene has memories of the original timeline and many more other information that lead to understand how this game probably will NOT be just a better graphic version of the Original Final Fantasy 7 but a whole new direction and story.
Aerith coming back also is a huge probability as implied in the video and i would love that a lot, and Zack's involvement cannot be overlooked as he came into direct contact with Cloud, talked to him and even asked him to "save her".
it's not a sequel, devs already confirmed that it will link up to Advent children. its starting to make a lot of sense how cloud saw Aerith and Zack in AC and they talked to him like they were alive rather than just memories
It already is a new direction, the whole game makes much more sense (while still being super chaotic, which makes Zack your fave character cause he, just like you, doesn't get what the hell is going on) if you've played the OG, otherwise it's just things happening
The question about Zack is 1:what will he do to the main timeline we playing so a new ending will form? 2: since he was saved by whispers does it imply sephiroth saved him?
Can someone confirm that this will 100% lead to advent children? Anyone online is saying a different thing
Well the director said the game is still gonna hit all the major points of the og. So I don’t think it’s gonna end super differently.
It will be, and it should be. TBH, I hate it when a story changes in the remake just to "satisfies" the fans.
I am hoping so much for Sephiroth from AC to be Remaking history to invoke his Rebirth.
1. Sephiroth has no body to exist in, he was physically killed by Cloud and gang in OG.
2. Sephiroth has no remnant to even host his consciousness into existence, the remnants (Kadaj and gang) were killed in AC.
As a result, Sephiroth has no choice but to exist only in Cloud's past memories. His consciousness from post-AC is now manipulating Cloud from the past to hand him the black materia. Perhaps not to summon meteor this time, instead he uses the black materia to recreate himself straight out of Cloud's OG memories into a real physical godly self once again. This would bring much depth to Cloud's victory line "Stay where you belong, in my memories." and Sephiroth's rebuttle line "I will never be a memory.".
This is what I'm asking too.
It seems that Advent Children will be changed too
The reason is simple. They want to make Tifa as the canon main girl and so they tone down Aerith's death in this game.
In the original Cloud is so much attached to Aerith which makes the game so painful when she died. In Rebirth it shows less impact on Aerith's death.
With that the Emo phase of Cloud on AC will be not make sense anymore because Tifa was already there to support him.
The reason why I love the OG is because the theme is about losing someone you cherish and moving on with life by cherishing those people around you.
Aerith represents happiness that turned to sorrow while Tifa represents hope and acceptance.
Same conclusion with extra content on multiverse kinda like Zelda
Can’t Wait for part 3, give us more extra story and make it breath taking.
Not sure why, but I never found any grey area, which then leads me to question anything. I mean the answers basically lie in the original game, and that's it. Any change made would only bring chaos to the story itself, which I hate it. Fortunately, so far, based on the remake and rebirth, they still follow the essentials. I love the way they added small differences, like how cloud met yuffie, but do not really affect the essentials of the story.
I agree. But ive got to be honest, this multiple timelines started fine with me with remake. But in rebirth the finale felt so scattered. They say it ruined aerith's death. I agree. In a sense i feel like her death scene was butchered. Instead of a long melancholic scene we are forced to watch a lot of scenes.
But i also sense that this is intentional by nomura's creative direction. I feel that he intended players to feel like cloud. As i watched the ending it feels that cloud seems fine seeing aerith around, and that he's a bit apathetic to the mourning of the rest of the party. Surprisingly that's also how i felt. Because of the graphical spectacle i totally forgot about aerith. And the game kept showing aerith around so when i saw tifa crying i didn't feel much. Maybe nomura really intended to do that.
Im a bit skeptical for part 3. The remaining mysteries don't intrigue me that much, esp. that viceroy thing. And the hooded guy looks straight from org13. Im not a fan of it.
Im still looking forward to part 3 but not as excited as before rebirth.
Two different timelines are happening, one is the original and I believe the other timeline is somehow being manipulated to where it wants Aerith to live so Sephiroth can destroy the planet without the lifestream. Sephiroth quoted “I underestimated you” towards the end after Aerith passing and her siding with cloud to fight him off. Plus, I think Zack will reunite with Aerith again eventually but both having to pass away together in a different scenario not like the original. Imo.
I haven't heard anyone else talk about this, but did anyone get the vibe that Zack was in the main timeline the whole time? That the timelines had already somewhat merged but only in Midgar? I feel like there were a few things that indicated this.
1. The timing of Zack returning to Midgar was wrong. The reactor bombings and the fall of the plate had already happened. If Zack had simply survived and continued to Midgar, he should have arrived before the bombing of reactor 1.
2. Aerith was with the party. If cloud wasn't in Midgar, how would Aerith have met Barret & Tifa. The shinra trooper saying "the fugitive is an ex-soldier with a buster sword" was an interesting choice of words, as it could refer to Cloud or Zack. Maybe he was actually referring to our Cloud?
3. The news report about the tornado in midgar is word for word identical when you hear it on the radio in Kalm.
4. Ifalna and Marlene know Cloud? The Marlene that Zack talks to seems to be the exact some one from our main timeline.
My impression on my first playthrough was that Midgar was the epicentre of the world's merging and that the characters can't be conscious twice in the same world (or something🤷♂️). On my 2nd playthrough, I'm not ruling this out, but there's a couple inconsistencies. 1 is that Red actually does wake up for a moment in the opening scene in Midgar, and 2 is that when Zack drops Cloud with Kyrie and says "can you look after my friend?" She doesn't give any indication that she knows Cloud, but it could be that Zack just runs off before she has a chance to say anything.
They should do like a multiple ending kinda thing where your choices determine the final outcome and timeline you end up in. I think that would make everyone happy and bring a lot of replayability to the next game.
That would be cool, take some inspo from Elden Ring
I have a feeling the remake trilogy will end exactly the same as the original but instead of going in a straight line to get there, they’ve sent us through a maze to get there
Yikes, not a good idea IMO. They opened up a huge can of worms with Rebirth. I think its safe to say any fan of the OG games story will be sorely disappointed. And we will get more multiverse alternate timeline someones dead but really not but they are here but not there and on and on and on.
Please god let me be wrong. Just give me a 90% faithful adapation. I can deal with certain changes. But i fear they dug themselves too deep a hole here.
I dont know why people kept thinking it would change the major story. It wont. Square was just adding things to expand the story.
Remake still ended like in og. It's just that we were shown things not shown in og like zack being alive in another timeline.
Same goes with rebirth. Aerith still dies, it's just that cloud seems to see aerith alive. He saw aerith's ghost in church in og. Aerith was talking behind cloud in ac. We thought cloud just couldn't accept her death, but now we know that he's literally seeing her loitering around.
People are saying the events are not lining up with advent children. But as i am seeing it it's getting more aligned now. Seeing aerith alive while others knew shes dead will bring more emotional and psychological burden to cloud, beyond just being delusional that he's zack. Now we're getting a proper reason why he's so emo in ac.
@@mrskye08exactly, people act like there can’t be additional context but equal the same conclusion, almost like 1+1=2 vs 1x2=2
I think the new Whispers are somehow related to the white and Black materia. Just a guess, since the orb in the middle of their faces looks quite abit like materia
The new whispers are opening up new timelines. Aerith from the other timeline gave Cloud white materia and sent him back to the OG timeline. Cloud isn't losing his mind at all. He is able to communicate with Aerith and move betwen timeliines much like Zack. Aerith is also able to move between timelines.
There’s 3 clouds btw. Main cloud the one we play as, coma cloud with Zack and shinra has one when they carted off the dead party in the beginning of the game
Q.1. Is Sephiroh from the future? Answer: No. What happens is that on ff7remake one of his entities was able to fuse with the whispers arbitures of fate. Which means it gives him the knowledge to see future timelines, now that does not mean he have access to all of them as the characters are able to change their own fates even against the whispers, do they are not all knowledgeable. Also there are whispers that also work against his own will, sometimes expressed as white whispers.
Cloud like zack can't suffer from degregation, because both of them got jenova cells from s type, not g like all other members of soldier.
I truly hope we will see and fight all of the weapons from the og . It part of the heart of ff7
Hopefully they give them all a unique design, instead of the stupid generic version we got in this one where they just look like whales with a giant ball of materia strapped to there belly.
@@HipHopRylan strongly agree!!
@@HipHopRylanThey will. They did great on most of the boss/monster designs.
@@HipHopRylan Those are very clearly not the same Weapons, the Weapons you see in OG FF7 are sleeping in the Northern Crater until Sephiroth gets the Black Materia, I'm pretty sure these other Weapons that were introduced are just explanations as to where the Huge Materia will come from for part 3.
@@lukasruston8618 Yeah thats what I am hoping. I hope they follow that entire great glacier/northern crater/reunion segment very closely and have the bad ass intro to the real weapons. Crossin my fingers.
I'm pretty sure that the main reason for Cloud being able to see the rift in the sky and Aerith is because Sephiroth gave Cloud his "gift"
When he mentions that he cannot see the truth with such clouded eyes, it reaffirmed that Sephiroth gave Cloud his gift to manipulate him further as well
Making it seem like his mental state is deteriorating further
Essentially fragmenting Cloud's mind more and more...
hmm, one thing that also sets Cloud apart from the others is.....he's been to another reality? He was pulled there by Aerith and kind of thrown into the 'nexus'of the multiverse by Sephirtoh?
Frankly, I never questions this. I mean, isn't it obvious? I could be wrong, but I have my own answer that somehow connects then as how and why.
In a recent update, they changed the final line of FF7 Remake from "'I miss it, the steel sky", to "The sky, I don't like it." ~ That definitely heavily implies that Aerith could already see the rift in the sky at the end of Remake. Given that Cloud can now see it after traveling through timelines, coupled with her knowledge of future events throughout Remake really suggests that she IS the original Aerith from the original 1997 game to me (she travelled between timelines to get here, which is why she can see the rift).
This also makes a lot of her lines about the future being written but still being able to change make a bit more sense - She can't remember any more, but she can see that their world is doomed (from the rift in the sky) and still wants to fight to save it.
I think they have gone the multiverse route with this story so that they can add new stuff without destroying the old story and continuity of the original FF7 and Advent Children. With this story as it stands, it seems like all of the original games (I guess you could call it the no Stamp timeline) all still happened. I'm really hoping they tie in an event from the original FF7 compilation timeline (presumably after the end of Dirge of Cerberus) which created the 'main' timeline we have been playing this whole time.
I’d sure like to know how Sephiroth gained all this newfound knowledge and power. I was under the impression that in the OG the Sephiroth you dealt with through out the game was Jenova as he was in the northern crater. I’ve never understood why he was so powerful. Let’s be honest, we keep beating the hell out him and he just pisses off. Why would this change in the next game?
@@michaeldehart3253 Sephiroth was in stasis at northern crater even when he somehow frees Jenova from Midgar. I suspect this is why the black robed men turn into him at his will to fulfill this confusion.
Theory here but the game that we're playing is the main branch of the timeline, like if you watched Loki and how there's a main line and everything else is the branch offs. When Sephiroth mentioned world colliding, I think it's a mention that the separate branches of the main time line is merging. We can kinda tell from the last battle and a lot of cut scenes referencing that and how Cloud can see the open rift in the sky. This is also similar to No Way Home as well when Spider-Man opens up a rift to the Multiverse and can see multiple villains from different time lines like how he met the other Spider-Mans. Regardless, characters that MUST die for the main timeline to continue on like Aerith for example.
i remember cloud always see aerith's spirit in advent children so they really incorporate advent children in final fantasy 7 rebirth.
I think you're missing out on the bigger picture, also zack wasn't gun down, in the stamps is a pug universe he jumps over the edge refusing the fate. And it the stamp is a corgi universe when we see Johnny walk by. Thats the Zack what breaks through at the courterpoint after sephiroth pushing him through.
From what we've seen both aerith and sephiroth have an omnipresent that not only see in to the Multiverse but can travel between them and can portal people through them. Having an omnipresent means that there is essentially one sephiroth and one aerith fraction over space and time.
In one of these universe, Cloud saves Aerith. If sephiroth has this omnipresent across tbe multiverse thanks to Jenova. Cloud having some of sephiroth cells could mean he's seeing things unfold in different universe at the same time. That its not mako poisoning. But just extremely hard to confusing for him, allowing Jenova to manipulate him. This is why he thinks Tifa has No scar. That hes confusing her with another version he's seen. This is why he sees aerith alive at the end. Its just not this universe aerith.
As for the og game that all happened, it ran parallel to what we are playing now. What happened in the og is only a small part of a much bigger story
Exactly. Zack jumps over the railing in the other timeline. I hate some of these clout chasey UA-camrs.
03:49 Brother. I heard him say "Aeris" here.
I used to say it that way to up until remake released w/ voice acting
The Biggs being shot was a different timeline branch created when Zack had to choose between the cure for Cloud or finding Biggs. Zack, the way I'm seeing it right now is kinda like Loki in season 2. I'm also getting the feeling he's breaking the 4th wall. Zack is being sent on a Journey to find Aerith and Cloud. Aerith being saved when Cloud blocked Sephiroth created a new branch which is where I think Zack is going. Aerith hints to finding the real Cloud like in the original so I think shes speaking to herself in multiple timelines. The real question is, if Aerith is searching for Cloud and dealing with Sephiroth from creating an apocolypse/incursion/secret wars like event, who is moving Zack? Gilgamesh talks about this worlds Legendary sword user and hinting it maybe Cloud but I think its Zack. Only thing throwing me off is the Whispers. Black represents Sephiorth and white represents Aerith? Or could it be Angeal representing white. I think the Finale in part 3 will give us a little bit of hope where worlds collide and dimensions start to merge just for a little while but as fate will have it somethings just have to be the way it is.
Playing rebirth made me really wish that Square would make a remake of FF7 instead of just spinoffs set in the same universe. Can you imagine FF7 origional but with rebirths graphics? That would be so GOOD. Its just unfortunate we did not get that.
I think we will get to see and fight the original Weapons. They do seem to be staying true to the original boss designs quite nicely. Seeing Bizzaro-Sephiroth and how true they stayed with his design shocked me. I was afraid they were just going to stick with his humanoid version throughout the whole thing, like in every other spin-off he's been in. That battle alone sparked much hope in seeing the true Weapons, Safer-Sephiroth, and (fingers crossed) Knights of the Round. The multiple timeline thing is a bit weird but over all I think they are doing a great job and I have high hopes for part 3.
Cloud did and also didn't save Aerith, it split into two timelines, the events of the original game and Rebirth. Aerith has already shown the ability to live in the space between timelines, so I have a feeling in part 3 "Journey's End" I'm assuming all the timelines will reconnect and Aerith will pop in again where others than just Cloud can see her.
How did they miss that Cloud is able to see and interact with multiple timelines now?
He did save Aerith in one and that created a branching timeline where she never summoned holy, and another where he was a split second too late and she still died.
And a third one where he lost control and killed her
Give whoever wrote the script for this segment a raise!
I had hoped they would answer a couple more questions before adding a bunch more but i guess we're not getting much until part 3
If you had let the cutscene play longer, you would’ve seen Zack run away and survive, he doesn’t get gunned down.
Who was cloud talking to as he fell into the church in remake??? That weird scene with all black/white background after the airbuster
1. No, he's not from the future. If you know about the OG game, then you know Sephiroth is embedded in the lifestream. The game establishes through Tifa and Aerith that the lifestream is connected to all worlds, so as soon as the gang open up the multi-verse at the end of Remake, Sephiroth becomes aware of it. You have to remember that through being in the lifestream and injecting Jenova's cells into it, he is basically a God. This lifestream connection is how Aerith knows the same things come the end of the game, after her commune in the Temple of the Ancients.
2. Which Zach? We are shown several timelines and several Zach's that survived.
5. See point 1 above. Once the Harbinger was destroyed they were tossed to the lifestream. This is covered in Chapter 10.
6. The planet controls the white ones, again shown in Chapter 10. They also only come under Aerith's control at the end of the game when many things change; again see point 1.
Cloud has the reading steiner 😎
If sep can control the whispers, i can only imagine an ancient can control a faction as well.
I wonder if they are going to interweave any of Vincent's backstory into it or any of the dirge of cerberus storylines
Who was aerith talking to in her room at both under junon inn and costa del sol inn ?
Nanaki. She always knew his more grown up voice was an imitation.
Sephiroth is dead, he died 5 years ago. Cloud killed him in Nibelheim after Zack failed to kill him, cloud was impaled and he used Sephiroth's sword to fling him into the lifestream. Cloud & Zack are then captured by Hojo who infects them with Jenova. Jenova is a parasite, that is what causes Clouds Hallucinations when he see's Sephiroth, all the men in black robes are infected with Jenova, Sephiroth had Jenova cells injected into his embroyo prior to his birth, so did Angeal and Genesis. Jenova is what drove Sephiroth crazy when he burned Nibelheim to the ground. Because Jenova makes Soldiers stronger, Hojo intentially infects himself with Jenova (per Dirge of Cerberus game) so Hojo is being mentally controlled by Jenova as well. Cloud finds Sephiroth's corpse (his upper half anyway) in the lifestream in the Northern Crater in the 1997 Original Game. Sephiroth is DEAD, he's been dead this whole time.
I've come to the conclusion that Sephiroth isn't really Sephiroth at all but Jenova or at least a form of Jenova that has completely fused with a human and taken control of them which we call Sephiroth. If we stop considering Sephiroth as just some crazy person who wants to be God things become more clear. I think Sephiroth/Jenova has the same problem as the Gi, because he's some type of Human/Alien hybrid he can be killed and sent to the lifestream but because of the Jenova side can't be broken down and reborn like everyone else. So when he was killed originally he remains in some kind of spirit limbo hence why he needs Cloud to do the work for him. He can manipulate and even possess those with Jenova cells but actually destroying him seems impossible. As you said he's already dead. The only true way I see of getting rid of Sephiroth I think is to eject him from the life stream and the planet altogether. Hahaha Perhaps Rocket Town might have some real significance in the next one. Who knows its just a theory.
@@ancarwillis9060 I like your thoughts on this, I didn't think about the Gi and how they are alien and thus can't die, so technically neither can Jenova. Thank you for sharing!
The real big question is will part 3 finally explain the secret ending of FF7 Dirge of Cerberus or is that going to forever be a cliffhanger.
That would be absolutely outrageous if we can’t fight against weapons in part3
i still don't understand how this whole remake saga started or what was the triggering event for the nature of these events
We’re actually shown atleast 3 different versions of Zack’s timeline not 2. One where he goes to the Midgar Building, one where he goes to the reactor and one where he does neither and goes to the church. Also gunned down implies he dies however we don’t see that on screen, I actually think the reactor scene shows Zack becoming aware of his fate so he tries to avoid it by doing something he would normally never do, running away.
The first time that Cloud saw the sky rift is when he was in different world from the one he came from.
So my theory is that he's in another world at the end of the game. And in his original world, Cloud and Aerith are dead when Sephiroth cut the rock he's hanging from. He got tranfered to another world when he's close to dead just like how Big and Zack were.
I believe that Cloud is interacting with the Aerith that was asleep when Zack visited Elmyra & Marlene in another timeline. HOW precisely I'm uncertain, but it's pretty on the nose in Zack & Marlenes conversation at Elmyra's house. Zack is told by Marlene that "If SHE (sleeping Aerith) wakes up SHE is going to die (our Aerith). Notably, Marlene also tells Zack that he HAS to help Cloud get better or else he can't save Aerith. HOW exactly Marlene is so aware of the going ons I'm unsure, but I would almost expect timeline hopping Zack to turn up at a crucial moment to help OUR Cloud 'get better'. Could we get unplayable Cloud left in Mideel & Zack joins the gang to fill in for our sword muscle? Could 'Marlene' be Jenova/Sephiroth trying to manipulate Aeriths survival to ensure Meteors success? Or as some have theorized, could the Aerith only cloud see simply just BE Jenova? Jenova is known to take the forms or friends & loved ones to lower the guard of its victims. Could this truly just be sleeping Aerith whisked into another timeline, but ONLY Cloud who was dragged through the multiverse & visibly SAW the timelines gained the ability to see overlapping realities as stated in the video? I know some don't like the confusing nature of the ending, but I personally think it wouldve been a tad too predictable & wouldn't have caught our attention if they stuck strictly to the ps1 game without acknowledging the compilation of ff7 which INCLUDES Advent Children. I'm leaning towards agreeing we will see some iteration of Advent Children in pt. 3. It was confirmed in the Ultimania that there is some connection between the fighting style of the 3 whispers we fought at the end of remake & Sephiroths remnants. I personally love that they've given us fresh life into a 27 year old game. Haven't heard anyone local to me or online mention the sleeping Aerith yet so just thought I'd get it out there. Happy theorizing all!
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Just finished the game and loved it. Story wise i don't the multiverse stuff but as fan service it's great.
Literally my only complaint is the confusing ending, although it was a bit annoying that I had to do all those sidequests just to get the proper date with Tifa, but they were optional so I wont add that to the list.
This game has the power to have you impersonate completely ine od the character, more precisely Zack: both he and the player are confused as hell with all that mess happening. Well played.
4:25 well, you need to gather 7 specific orange materia and give it a try.
Theory 1: Zack changed his fate when he jumped and ran.
Theory 2: The Gi will be ferried by the team to another realm/afterlife in order to pass on. Can't forget that we saw the Essentric Sword Master pass through a portal. And he did say that he would return.
Theory 3: the white whispers are either the will of the planet, or the will of the Cetra.
I wonder how cool would have been the OG final fantasy vii just with updated graphic, music and dubbed. I guess we'll never know
As a i have understood the events, only zack remained separated because sephiroth slashed him off during the merging (maybe that's how sephiroth breaks fate and created another world for zack). The comatosed aerith and cloud were gone or merged with main timeline.
Only cloud can see alive aerith and rift because he was the only one who entered the destiny barrier at the last chapter. When cloud entered that barrier another world was created: the world where he saved aerith. So when the timelines merged only cloud can see alive aerith, plus the sky rift. Remember that created worlds will eventually end. So that world where aerith lived will also end soon and cloud still stop seeing the sky rift. I think this will burden cloud until advent children (why he was emo in ac)
The black whispers in remake control fate. The black whispers in rebirth are sephiroth's will. The white whispers are the lifestream's will. Based on what the gi tribe said, the world is preventing anyone who's not from earth to return to the planet when they die. The planet could have not consider sephiroth part of the planet as he was born from jenova. So when he was thrown into the lifestream, the lifestream has been rejecting him for years. The white whispers are acting like white blood cells, fighting sephiroth like a virus. But since sephiroth is stubborn, even sending his own whispers to influence events, he is considered as threat by the white whispers/lifestream so they started creating weapons.
Zack and aerith will end up as they were in advent children. Rebirth explains why cloud seems to see aerith in ac. We all thought cloyd just couldn't move on, but rebirth now explains that this is a time merging syndrome. When aerith and zack bid farewell to him in the end of ac, it looks like that world that was created has finally end. Cloud may have finally accepted that aerith is really dead in the main timeline.
Is sephiroth from the future? Im not sure. But i think not. I just think sephiroth had access powers similar to aerith's when he was thrown to the lifestream. When aerith touched red and marlene they also saw a glimpse of the future. Cloud (soaked in mako) also had visions of the future. So i think the ability to see the future is more of an ability. I still think ff7remake trilogy is just an expansion of the story of ff7og, and not a sequel about sephiroth going back to the past to alter events.
As per the gi tribe. I think nomura expanded on their lore to explain that the world does not allow non-earth beings from returning to the planet, in order to justify why sephiroth is still longering whole in the lifestream as tifa saw him around his own whispers.
We also have to think it this way, if Aerith, Zac and co. have to die eventually even Sephiroth has to die or brought down one way or another which gives me hope at whatever dark shit ia gonna happen in part 3, Sephi will not succeed
1. Duh. Yes. The Sephiroth from Advent Children (after his defeat) went back in time or dimension hopped and is trying to change the outcome of what happened. Have we SEEN Sephiroth in Remake or Rebirth? No. As with the original game (OG), his body is still crystallized in the Northern Crater. We are seeing echoes of him via Jenova in the Robed Men/Hooded Men. We are also seeing Cloud internally fighting Sephiroth (in his head) struggling to maintain control of himself.
2. Yes, Zack will definitely survive and he will come in clutch at the very end of the game. Whether he dies there is uncertain but I think he and Aerith will make a triumphant return and will turn the tide of the final battle. Otherwise, bringing him back to life is completely pointless narratively.
3. Sephiroth will absorb every and all timelines except for 1 and that will be the one where he rules. This will make him even more powerful than Safer Sephiroth. He'll become something we've never seen before and it'll take the whole team, including, Aerith, the Cetra and Zack to stop him. Unless they go for a redemption thing with Sephiroth where he finally snaps out of it and takes Jenova down. Who knows for sure. But one thing is clear all the other timelines will be absorbed.
4. OG Aerith is still alive. Whether she'll get her body back in the end is another question. All other versions of Aerith are dead. The one that lives is from the OG timeline. She will be pivotal in stopping Sephiroth's plan of becoming a multi-dimensional god or at the very least will help reverse it.
5. The Echoes of Sephiroth gained control of the Whispers the moment the fake Black Materia was taken by Cloud (because Cloud is connected to Jenova and Jenova Prime is still inside of Sephiroth at the Northern Crater). That, in combination with the team destroying fate, likely weakened the Whispers, allowing him to take control of them even from there. Also, he's growing more powerful because of his ability to jump dimensions. He's likely taking Whispers from every timeline he can.
6. OG Aerith controls the white whispers. The Echoes/Will of Sephiroth controls the dark whispers. The planet controls the gray whispers.
7. Cloud can't see Aerith. He THINKS he can but it's all in his head because he's losing his mind and it's escalating. He thinks he saved her or at the very least believes he didn't just stand there and let her die. Hell, for all we know, he's the one that actually killed Aerith this time around under the influence of Jenova. However, it's also likely possible that Aerith from the OG timeline is keeping him "together" as best she can and this might be part of it. But it's clear his mind is splitting or now linked across dimensions.
8. No idea about Gatha.
9. Ditto.
10. Ruby and Emerald will still likely be optional super bosses on Hard Mode. Sapphire dies by Shrina. Diamond is delayed by the team and killed by Shrina in the OG so the same scenario will likely play out. We will definitely fight Ultima Weapon.
Hope that helped!
I think Cloud did save Aerith in rebirth's timeline, or a different timeline. Everyone else is sad and mourning in timelines where she did die. And in the final cutscene I think it shows that cloud is somehow experiencing every timeline in one, thus why he can see the apocalyptic sky while nobody else can. Who knows, just how I interpreted it all.
I thought it was obvious they sepiroth was from the og time line and that when aeriths dies cloud creates a split in the timeline where in one he saves her and the main time line where she dies and the aerith we see at the end talking to cloud is the one that’s alive as the time lines are connected by the rift in the sky and by traveling in different time lines they can see and feel each other
The way I understood cloud seeing Areith still is cause he’s simultaneously living in 2 timelines. And that they’re playing out the same with the only difference is that Areith is still alive in one. Kinda similar to how Areith might have been at the end of remake, cause of the scene where she feels Zack’s presence, and her comments about the sky in integrade. Which for the English version was patched somewhat recently to “I don’t like this sky” or something like that. Which means she was probably seeing the rift that Cloud is seeing at the end. Areith seems in tune with her other self’s and can see events from other timelines. So to me it seems Cloud is sort of doing that unknowingly between the two timelines of where she lived and didn’t cause those outcomes were based solely on his actions.
I think we ended up with 3 timelines.......I think.
@@RishiLux More like infinite but yeah I do think Cloud is in some kind of limbo where he's experiencing multiple timelines at once.
assesing the white whispers answer parts of the question. their object is to correct destiny across all timelines.
I remember seeing an interview with Nomura saying the character death at the end of Rebirth is permanent. My guess is that Aerith is likely not coming back.
So when the game starts in the Terrier-timline, Zach is hauling around mako-poisoned Cloud and sees on Midgar TV that Shinra is searching for one last person with a buster sword as they load the remaining injured party members into helicopters. This has always bothered me. The timing is all messed up... Zach and Cloud's trek to Midgar clearly happens before the events of FF7, but when Zach watches the TV broadcast, it implies that the current moment in time is after the main parties raid on Shinra HQ. All this makes me believe that pre FF7 Zach and Cloud were brought into the Terrier timeline. It's not their original. Which would mean that Terrier-timelines' original Cloud is still running around.
What happens to the unconscious cloud and the rest of avalanche in zacks timeline and what is with the ex soldier with the buster sword who is with avalanche in zacks timeline does that mean there is three clouds
Basically, the PS1 1997 game is timeline 1, the origin which every other timeline splits off from.
My guess is when Sephiroth said he’ll never be a memory, this is what he meant, he’ll travel the lifestream across dimensions to try again and forever torment Cloud.
Remake is timeline 2
Interlude chapter is timeline 3
And in my opinion, The original Zack and Cloud timeline from the end of Remake is timeline 4
Timeline 1 is left well alone in this trilogy except for some mind flashes to it
Timeline 2 is what we’ve been playing in Remake and Rebirth.
Biggs from Timeline 2 and Zack and Cloud from Timeline 4 are sucked into Timeline 3
Timeline 3 takes place the same as Timeline 2 but a huge hurricane come and takes them all out when they are on the Midgar Expressway, killing Tifa, Barret and Red but putting Aerith in a coma and having Cloud either dead or MIA and the lifestream runs out of energy.
This leaves 3 accounted for Clouds and 1 unaccounted for
The OG Cloud is completely unaware of any of this happening
Remake Cloud is having his mind absolutely destroyed by Sephiroth. And I think Cloud is so much more broken this time because Sephiroth has experience with messing with him already.
Timeline 3 Cloud is missing
Timeline 4 cloud is still Comatose.
I believe the whole date with Aerith in chapter 14 is a vision of timeline 3, not them actually being there.
He does jump dimensions but he can’t without Sephiroth’s help
@@AdamW-eo2yq i hope in part 3 all the timelines merge so that zack can be reunited with timeline 2 aerith and cloud and maybe be included in the party and be a major character with zack meeting tifa, yuffie again and the others and also have comatose cloud and aerith regain consciousness and find out what happened to avalanche in timeline 3 including where the third cloud went
Anyone else catch Cait Siths 1st prophecy? In the original game the first few prophecies are obviously trash. Until the last big prophecy. In the remake it’s made to look like that but there’s a good chance his throwaway wrong prophecies is actually true too.
My brain is foggy, was that 1st prophecy that he liked the color black? I sorta remember that.
@@ourfamilyaccountfirst prophecy in rebirth is trust in your friends and a last minute twist may surprise you (or something close to that)
The second prophecy was lucky color black. In the og it was blue. Could be meaningless or could mean the black materia is lucky now or something about Zack bc he has black hair or who knows what.
But the first prophecy in the og was definitely a throwaway line and different and this one looks like it’s meant to look like a throwaway line but actually might mean something. And if it does maybe the second prophecy does too. Would be a cool twist if all 3 came true this time
There are NOT different timelines nor multiverses on this remakes, sadly this is the most common misunderstanding...
The whispers were gray in remake, now they are black and white in Rebirth. Remake created the split. Thats my theory at least. No idea where either is coming from though.
I need more playable Zack in part 3. My favorite character outside of the main party
I wanna know how the Biggs who knew Cloud to he a mercenary ended up in the Zack timeliness.
RELIVE! Good lord, they've already revealed the title!
Everyone realizes that this ending has done its job right? Everyone has no clue what is going to happen If they had kept it exactly like the OG you would know and there would be no hype/wonder/speculation. It has given you the sensation of not knowing and wanting to find out what happens. I call that a win and I love it.
cant wait to see how zack plays a role again in part 3
Zack literally felt like a add,he had no story
They also didn't answer which timeline the Zack in the Intermission ending is.
Yeah that bothers me, they casually add multiple universes and do nothing good with this concept
It is none, the “multiverse” happens after the gang leaves Midgard
I feel like the retconned it since the beginning of rebirth they back up to right when zack and cloud enter midgar. The script went under quite a few rewrites from what I read
It could be a red herring. The fact that scene is supposed to gave us a hint as to what were gonna expect for Rebirth.
I think Cloud seeing Aerith and the tear comes down to him now carrying the White Materia and having gone to the other timeline with Aerith when they fell and then woke up in the other world. The tears appear in timelines that are about to expire, and Cloud being exposed to one while with Aerith might be why. As far as the white materia, it has a connection to the planet and the Lifestream. There are 2 scenes in game where we hear Aerith talking to someone who no one else sees, even though the game tries to have people think Nanaki is who she was talking with. Now that Cloud has the materia, and his connection with Aerith, he is now able to converse with her.
Yeah the game shows Cloud having the Black Materia at the end but Cloud actually gave the Black Materia to Sephiroth back at the temple and he clearly never gave it back to him. So the question becomes why does he have the Black Materia. Maybe Sephiroth is just making him see the Black Materia and its actually the White Materia.
My theory is that “The destroyer of worlds” that Cetra mention in their explanation about the black materia is Cloud, that’s why Sephiroth needs him so badly. Cloud has the potential of destroying the planet and all of its versions. And I guess Aerith from the alternative timeline knows that, that’s why she says: “It’s about saving the world and you” - she knows that Cloud can be saved from the destiny that Sephiroth calls upon him. But it’s just a theory, I think the Ultimania will clear things up.
Nah, I think the real bad guy here is and always has been Jenova. Sephiroth is just a Jenova hybrid and a puppet himself. Anyone can become Sephiroth if infected with enough Jenova cells and those infected are driven to get more like an addiction. Personally, I think Sephiroth has the same problem as the Gi. He can't spiritually be broken down. As a Hybrid he can be killed and as Cloud basically threw him into the lifestream in the original he's in a weird spot as he's a spirit in the lifestream that doesnt degrade and get reborn. That said the reason he probably needs Cloud is just so, he's a Spirit. He can control people with Jenova cells but can't actually interact with the world himself. I also think he doesn't use the robes because they're to degraded and Cloud is just the easiest to manipulate. But yeah hopefully the next game clears things up.
Why does cloud have black materia at end of game?
The whispers where controlled by the arbiter of faith, after it's defeated Sephiroth absorbs the power (is clearly in the final cut scene) that why he controls them and why he has purple aura
The white whisper are Holy whispers, summon by the white materia, that's why is all clear materia now, Sephiroth wanted this, so holy Won't be cast to stop Meteor
Can someone explain why they kept fighting over the fake black materia? The temple itself should've been the real black materia back in the OG game, but nobody mentioned that in this game.
It was a key to getting the real one
Easy white blood cells, white whispers. The planet, which overlaps with Aerith and her assisting the lifestream and Planet.
Trap Sepiroth in an empty timeline and use meteor there. He can't come back because no lifestream to manipulate because planet is dead. They said everything leads to Advent Children, that's because it already happened. The remnants kadaj yoz and lozoo cannot form if Sepiroth dies along with the planet like Surtr in Thor Ragnarok. Reunion, Remake, Rebirth, and last Ragnarok. They teased this in the final battle in Rebirth. bizarro sefi tried to jump timelines to escape, what happens if you get trapped. There is one where we see Zack accepting Meteor coming, but gets yoinked. By Aerith maybe. So the thing is, Sepiroth must absorb all of himself into one before the party traps him in a dying timeline, including Cloud. Sepiroth will manifest in him because of their connection. But somehow, Cloud will be pushed into the clear materia and the clear materia will keep Cloud safe.
Aerith's only prayer is "to keep the others safe" it's not "please stop meteor."
What would blow people's minds is if there's Rufus and Turks gameplay on the next. or at least a spinoff prologue before Ragnarok. I'd be okay with that. The journey where they destroy everything Jenova not even one single cell remains, because Rufus refuses to be manipulated. It's important for them to do so because another Sepiroth if not Sepiroth himself will rise if Jenova is still around.
Final Fantasy seven rebirth Chatley’s revenge Chatley has all the answers that you seek
Yea he can use all them 5G towers I've setup for him 😆
Next game require 6G tower upgrade..
@@nik0_plays I hope he is the final boss in so tired of him
@@brandongoodpaster5688 the twist might be Chadley is Jenova 👾😝
I really hope the devs know what they’re doing for part 3
It truly does feel like someone activated a monkeys paw for this trilogy to happen.
It's obvious the last title is gonna be FFVII: Reunion that does not needa be questioned
No because they already used reunion for "crisis core reunion"
@@jadenkootenay8549 oh I forget about that one...
FF7: Return of Jafar
@@Promatheos it has the *re* part innit and it goes hard... My good sir you have COOKED
FF7: Revengence
Impossible for sephiroth to be from the future. If he was from the future. Why should he kill Arieth knowing killing her is what prevents him from being a God?
Im still wondering about what appeared to be a tease of Jessie being alive in remake
She definitely isn’t
@@AdamW-eo2yq oh...oh 💔
Actually the game tells everything you ask in the video! You just need to play all the games not only the original final fantasy from ps1 ff7 have more games in his world! You have some UA-camrs who explain all this questions and some resume the game! Actually we don’t know what “they” going to do with the next but the “base” story will be the same for sure! 👍
Idk what’s going on and I love it.
If aerith is saved by means of bring another aerith into this timeline it will be so lame. The fact that there are more than one aerith is already loosing the sense of preciousness.
SE did say when some one died in this game they would not be coming back
I feel the same way. I am glad that even though it was a little ambiguous, we did still see her die. I think there will be a chunk of the third game that has Zack and Aerith join the main party. But I think ultimately, the game will still end in the same way where those two will have to die. I really do think this last game is going to be really fucking crazy and off the rails but I think ultimately it will still end up with the same ending as the original.
Yeah, we’ve already brought in another one and the other one apparently knows about the multiple timelines and that’s why she gave cloud holy and sent him back
@@nickthehick1986SE is also not going to give everything away. The Aerith in this timeline is going to stay dead, but there is definitely hints that she was saved in a branching timeline by the rainbow effect surrounding Cloud and Sephiroth. The Rainbow effects have been shown to point to a new timeline being created when Zack decides to help Cloud and a timeline is created where he goes to stop Biggs.
No it doesn't, I get pretty Is fed up Every time this argument is made about multiverse characters. It Is happened with , Gamora in the mcu , it happened with laurel in arrowverse. makes me believe we don't hold emotional attachments. Like a pet could be replaceable By an identical pet and you'd be fine.
The reason why it's does matter from a character perspective ,. Let's say a friend or partner died but then you found a multiverse version of them, but all your experience where completed differently. That you weren't as close, it didn't like the things you used. Its a brand new relationship. See the experience that you have with a person hold meaning and defines any relationship.
However, I don't think people are actually thinking big enough.
I think from what's going on Aerith and Sephiroth are omnipresent throughout this multiverse. Which is why they can travel between them and are aware I'd them that their essentially is one being fragments across time and space. I think what we saw in the OG happened , what we see in remake and rebirth happened parallel to it. Their is a much much bigger endgame that sephiroth had planned. That we only caught glimpse off in the og game. Think of the Rami spider man movies then the tasm movies and how we seen them end. Now look at spiderman nwh .and how they made both of them Canon and how it expanded the story . This but a much bigger context. Like Dooms actually plan from secret war
I think that because Cloud has sephiroth cells in him. This mako poisoning wasn't actually whats going on But because of those cells . Cloud can see and dip into multiple universe and is getting confused. It'd why he thought he saw tifa without the scar. He was actually remembering a different version of her. Why he's having these flashes.
8:40 clouds possession of the black materia?
I can't wait to be able to use Vincent