Thanks. That was really my first question to these concepts. (A bad design idea to add such complicated mechanics to a rocket just for some ground interface reasons)
Everyone hates the SRB-X and I absolutely do not understand why. The only problem with it is that it was made at a single factory. If it was simple, cheap and it worked, it's good, good, good
Mass production (like China) would reduce the costs markedly. Our solid rocket manufacturing capacity is puny today. China has several SRB launchers sending satellites into orbit now with state subsidized solid rocket components.
@@janphilipp86 it’s not really that complicated; it’s just a reinforced strut with explosive bolts. It’s literally the exact same structure as the SRB attachment on the space shuttle.
The idea of putting a pilot on the reusable first stage to fly it home (unless it's literally an airplane) is something we've probably gotten past at this point, but a bunch of these old shuttle-esque designs had it.
@@bazoo513 Buran also started construction in 1980, and the Shuttle had extensive automation as well, and after Columbia the orbiters were modified so that in theory a fully automated entry, descent and landing would have been possible. But that's a decade+ of advancement in avionics after these concepts were put to paper.
Just a note, the separation boosters on the Titan UA1205 boosters are oriented wrong in this animation. They are supposed to be oriented 45 degrees off and the booster are supposed to separate diagonally.
They’re are a profit company that produces profits. They only need more business people and lobbyists. Politicians love Boeing they pay the best bribes.
Sad Starliner is having so many issues, hope Butch Wilmore and Sunita Williams get home safely, and the thruster problem gets resolved. Boeing are just not use to fixed cost contracts.
Well to be fair Boeing had the Starliner ready for flight in a shorter time than it took SpaceX to make the Dragon/Dragon 2. (And keep in mind that SpaceX already had the cargo Dragon to start with)
@@randycampbell6307 Space X made their space truck and its passenger version faster than Boeing made its passenger ship. At the same time, Space X was a newcomer to space, and Boeing was an experienced manufacturer.
Can't wait for 2:26 to be the most replayed part edit: i suck edit 2: no seriously, I don’t get it why is the damn Boeing Space Freighter the most replayed? the comments mentions it the most, i guess it’s because it has more aviation viewers than rockets, and yes humans are terrible at predicting the the future, i am not embarrassed.
Pretty Kerbal, most of these concepts. But grandson of DynaSoar, DreamChaser, is soon to finally fly, and Boeing Space Freighter makes as much (or as little, depending how you see it) sense as SpaceX Superheavy/Starship.
To be fair Boeing did the study of the Space Freighter for NASA with a general plan in place and a known possible program . Starship/Superheavy has none of that.
@@randycampbell6307 Agreed. Apart from launching larger Starlink satellites, Starship has no rational use case. Musk's "offer" to replace NASA/ESA Mars sample return mission is utterly laughable, and Artemis III mission is very likely to be downgraded from lunar landing to Apollo-9 like LEO docking and crew transfer demonstration. NASA is obviously waiting for an actually workable lunar lander - "Lunar Starship" was just a placeholder, because they didn't have funding for anything realistic. Starship payload turns out to be merely 40-50 t, down from promised 100-120, requiring at least _30_ refueling flights for lunar mission, not counting propellant boil off. Typical of Musk when Tom Mueller is not around any more, and Gwynne Shotwell is busy actually earning money with Falcon program.
@@bazoo513 Technically, the LEO demo is only one of the proposed Artemis 3 alternatives. I personally think a Gateway mission is more likely. But otherwise agree
...Also, man, lots of "destroy all sea life in the vicinity" launch concepts. A point I've complained about in these videos before is that no surface-to-LEO heavy launch vehicle was likely to rendezvous with a solar power satellite under construction, since they were supposed to be in geosynchronous orbit. You'd have some kind of separate LEO-to-GEO tug to handle that bit.
The power sats were probably built in LEO and then moved to GEO when completed to protect the workers from cosmic rays and make emergency returns much faster (hours instead of days).
@@herobrineharry7698 Some initial studies by most of the big aerospace companies but it was quickly realized that probably wouldn't be possible with a separate "tug" so the switched to an idea of mounting electric thrusters to the fame of the SPS and having it "self ferry" to GEO.
To be fair, everything you see here was proposed back when Boeing actually used to be great- until it merged with McDonnell Douglas and everything started going downhill.
Boeing: lol I think if we start bringing KSP players here we can make the largest rocket ever Meanwhile KSP players:, What if we attach 4 Saturn V's to a single payload? Or what if we attach the sea dragon first stage to a saturn-v then attach the second stage of the falcon 9 Maybe we can also make this, First stage SLS first stage Boosters falcon 9 heavy 2nd stage atlas-v The last is the spacecraft Module: Apollo module Lander: blue origin lander The Apollo module will be attached to the crew dragon trunk. And it will use the Merlin engine NASA: big mistake guys fire em all
_BOEING_ once designed _WORKABLE SPACECRAFT??_ THAT'S A FIRST...🤦♂️ *EDIT→* I think that last line should have been: *_"How the MIGHTY have FALLEN."_*
To think that the airforce was pretty close to actually having a reusable spaceplane as far back as 1963, was the greatest what could have beens.The X-20 design had been finalized and the pilots selected and the first X-20 was just starting to be built when the program was canceled,seems the airforce couldn't justify why they needed such a platform and the cost that went with it.
I agree totally. The Vietnam War also killed the Air Force's manned orbital laboratory,which was supposed to take the place of the x-20,which also spelled the end of the USAF manned space program,to think we could have had a space station,in the late 60s,years before Skylab ever flew.
What the hell was that on board sound for the SRB-X, on a related note, I never thought I'd see something that seems worse than the Ares 1. But even then I'd give the SRB-X a slide since it was designed 10 years earlier and doesn't seem to be intended to carry crew.
Mr Hazegreyart your videos are outstanding. Are you friends with Everyday Astronaut ? I’m sure you could collaborate on projects. Red Side is also vey talented.
Very big and very dumb. But beautiful. I wish I was in the universe where they had built something like that. But I'm stuck in this universe....with SLS 😢
Boeing is the past and they dreamed a lot, but the present and future is SpaceX. SpaceX doesn't dream, he does. Boeing es el pasado y soñaban mucho, pero el presente y futuro es SpaceX. SpaceX no sueña, el hace.
Gray video, but I think the idea is to start at least for the first 30 km with the plane just like an anthem of 225, but maybe with 2 Wings and aerial refueling, so it will take off almost empty.
The Blue Danube, hay, That's a break. The " big orion" proposal however, I thought would be good for long range reconnaissance missions, though. Just saying.
If Boeing wants to get back into being an actual profitable company, they should just dust off these old designs and perhaps make a TSTO version of "The Onion" rocket. Put a booster on that thing and it could probably compete with Starship.
need good weather all the way while delivering and fueling it. and you can't instantly bring it ashore without unfueling when weather suddenly gets bad. high probability to damage the ship
@@FatovMikhail what about the heat pushed into the ocean, won't it just destroy everything alive in there with a big radius, super loud shockwaves and other things, it sure can't be any good for nature and the mammals close by?
Watching this, I want to cry abit. I grew up with "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". Then they merged with McDonnell-Douglas... as for the proposals, Space Freighter seems the most viable and wasn't exactly new: there was a proposal to slap wings and other necessary gear on the S-1 stage of the Saturn V to make a reusable booster.
That was the original concept for the Shuttle as a whole - it could do everything the IRL one could, while being fully reusable. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough money for those... #FundNASA
Would've been nice to get a little more info, such as height, weight, intended purpose for each one. Some had a little of that, but overall it was a great vid.
2:26 Just slapped on 4 Saturn V stages. That's the most kerbal thing i've ever seen
The lmlv is very kerbal too, a bunch giant boosters attached to a massive core stage
@@DragonSFS this one is cursed
Saturn 4x4
Saturn Vx4 = Saturn XX
That, and the "add moar boosters" ten-booster rocket!
The SRB-X's weird stand-off booster arrangement was so it could use the same launch platform as the Space Shuttle.
Thanks. That was really my first question to these concepts.
(A bad design idea to add such complicated mechanics to a rocket just for some ground interface reasons)
Everyone hates the SRB-X and I absolutely do not understand why.
The only problem with it is that it was made at a single factory.
If it was simple, cheap and it worked, it's good, good, good
Mass production (like China) would reduce the costs markedly. Our solid rocket manufacturing capacity is puny today. China has several SRB launchers sending satellites into orbit now with state subsidized solid rocket components.
@@brianboye8025And we have mass produced and reused liquid rockets.
@@janphilipp86 it’s not really that complicated; it’s just a reinforced strut with explosive bolts. It’s literally the exact same structure as the SRB attachment on the space shuttle.
2:23 Saturn-Kerbal 1000
Exactly my heavy rocket with making history DLC
Every time in KSP1 lol
KSP 2 ruinin KSP 1 lol
@@ilikeseals7004 ksp 2 dead now
Come for the launches, stay for the ocean-wide fish-fry buffet. (Great compilation of your past works.)
Apart from concept 1 and 6, everything is very Kerbal and completely bonkers, love it!
exactly
Why do people think mentioning Kerbal has any significance?
@@brianboye8025 ??? Those are rockets you would build in kerbal space program
@@brianboye8025it’s a good descriptor for insane looking rockets
Have you seen TD channel
He built few of these
I like that the chase plane was period correct also. Great detail.
F-104 starfighter, right? At least I'm assuming ur talking about the dyna soar salt lake landing
@@kookie_krumbs If you look closely, thats a rocket powered NF-104A
1:58 this really looks like it was caught on camera great animation!
Beautiful. And the choice of music was inspired. Thank you for the Dyna-Soar; my Dad worked on that program.
2001 a Space Odyssey soundtrack!
Strong Kerbal energy from Boeing
The idea of putting a pilot on the reusable first stage to fly it home (unless it's literally an airplane) is something we've probably gotten past at this point, but a bunch of these old shuttle-esque designs had it.
It's because back in the late 60s and 70s, the tech just wasn't ready to have fully autonomous flyback boosters.
@@zuthalsoraniz6764 American, no - Shuttle needed crew even on its first flight. Buran didn't.
@@bazoo513Buran was 80's tech, not 60's/70's.
@@bazoo513 Buran also started construction in 1980, and the Shuttle had extensive automation as well, and after Columbia the orbiters were modified so that in theory a fully automated entry, descent and landing would have been possible.
But that's a decade+ of advancement in avionics after these concepts were put to paper.
@@FastSloth87 True, but so was Shuttle. Granted, a decade meant a lot in terms of automation.
Your graphics are absolutely stunning! Thanks for another great ride into space!
Just a note, the separation boosters on the Titan UA1205 boosters are oriented wrong in this animation. They are supposed to be oriented 45 degrees off and the booster are supposed to separate diagonally.
Yeah I remember watching the angled separation in Titan III/IV launch videos
Not much left of that Boeing these days.
How the mighty have fallen
My first thought, too, never work for bean counters.
They’re are a profit company that produces profits. They only need more business people and lobbyists. Politicians love Boeing they pay the best bribes.
Some of the concepts look just as modern or more futuristic than what we hve available today.
BOEING MENTIONED ✈️🔥💯
Wheel falls off
@@ThePixelated_kris Meanwhile 787 confused
this didn’t age well
2:15 the attention to detail: even the runway reflects off the craft! NICE!
Coming May 6th, the Boeing Starliner with Butch Wilmore and Sunita Williams takes flight.
Hopefully everything goes well on this historic upcoming mission 🙏🏻
You forgot to write “hopefully”
Canceled
@@TheLake001 For now.
Sad Starliner is having so many issues, hope Butch Wilmore and Sunita Williams get home safely, and the thruster problem gets resolved.
Boeing are just not use to fixed cost contracts.
Expectation: cool concerts from this video
Reality: Boeing has been unable to make the Starliner for many years😅
Well to be fair Boeing had the Starliner ready for flight in a shorter time than it took SpaceX to make the Dragon/Dragon 2. (And keep in mind that SpaceX already had the cargo Dragon to start with)
@@randycampbell6307 Space X made their space truck and its passenger version faster than Boeing made its passenger ship. At the same time, Space X was a newcomer to space, and Boeing was an experienced manufacturer.
@@randycampbell6307Except Starliner hasn't entered service yet. Having a buggy vehicle ready quickly only counts if your power source is a horse.
Can't wait for 2:26 to be the most replayed part
edit: i suck
edit 2: no seriously, I don’t get it why is the damn Boeing Space Freighter the most replayed? the comments mentions it the most, i guess it’s because it has more aviation viewers than rockets, and yes humans are terrible at predicting the the future, i am not embarrassed.
I really enjoyed watching that video, good music and beautiful animations, thank you.
You should do one of these, but about various Douglas proposals. Look at Phil Bono's work for instance.
Thanks!
Thank You
Thanks! This awesome!
Thank You
@@Hazegrayart Also, what is that hypersonic bomber doing at the end?
if NASA had U.S millitary budget:
So true😂
Those are Boeing concepts not NASA
Dang, if only😢
Bro your animation skills are actually unreal 🔥🔥🔥
The VTVL seriously looks like something out of Thunderbirds.
And it also looks like a larger-than-life Mercury capsule!
Would be nice if the speciftcations would also be writen in metric.
Imagine the world where all of that was built and did fly. Amazing.
Gerry Anderson's world.
@@johnbuchman4854Other than the creepy talking dolls, I’m all for it.
Pretty Kerbal, most of these concepts. But grandson of DynaSoar, DreamChaser, is soon to finally fly, and Boeing Space Freighter makes as much (or as little, depending how you see it) sense as SpaceX Superheavy/Starship.
To be fair Boeing did the study of the Space Freighter for NASA with a general plan in place and a known possible program . Starship/Superheavy has none of that.
@@randycampbell6307 Agreed. Apart from launching larger Starlink satellites, Starship has no rational use case. Musk's "offer" to replace NASA/ESA Mars sample return mission is utterly laughable, and Artemis III mission is very likely to be downgraded from lunar landing to Apollo-9 like LEO docking and crew transfer demonstration. NASA is obviously waiting for an actually workable lunar lander - "Lunar Starship" was just a placeholder, because they didn't have funding for anything realistic. Starship payload turns out to be merely 40-50 t, down from promised 100-120, requiring at least _30_ refueling flights for lunar mission, not counting propellant boil off. Typical of Musk when Tom Mueller is not around any more, and Gwynne Shotwell is busy actually earning money with Falcon program.
@@bazoo513 Technically, the LEO demo is only one of the proposed Artemis 3 alternatives. I personally think a Gateway mission is more likely. But otherwise agree
@@HalNordmann I think it's quite optimistic to believe there _will be_ a Gateway by the time Artemis III should launch...
@@bazoo513 PPE/HALO should be up and running by 2027, and so far hasn't had any major setbacks
"Single worst shuttle designed launcher ever proposed" Um excuse me how dare you talk about my Kerbal Space Program designs like that.
Very nice showcase of your models.
Alt title: Boeing doing crack to make weird-ass rockets
This is outstanding . . . . all of my favorites (except the SRB-X). Thank you!
Excellent compilation. I wouldn't mind taking the Dynasoar on a spin around the ball a few times.
2:55 I don't think the plumes of the four would have separated. I think they would have combined into one massive plume
...Also, man, lots of "destroy all sea life in the vicinity" launch concepts.
A point I've complained about in these videos before is that no surface-to-LEO heavy launch vehicle was likely to rendezvous with a solar power satellite under construction, since they were supposed to be in geosynchronous orbit. You'd have some kind of separate LEO-to-GEO tug to handle that bit.
Did anyone do design studies for those tugs?
The power sats were probably built in LEO and then moved to GEO when completed to protect the workers from cosmic rays and make emergency returns much faster (hours instead of days).
Part of a SBS has to track the sun and part has to track the ground station. Interesting problem.
@@philipngai5910 When in operation the SPS would be in geosynchronous orbit, but they were to be built in LEO in order to be accessible by the HLLV's
@@herobrineharry7698 Some initial studies by most of the big aerospace companies but it was quickly realized that probably wouldn't be possible with a separate "tug" so the switched to an idea of mounting electric thrusters to the fame of the SPS and having it "self ferry" to GEO.
the animations are so dang good!!!
Awesome! THank you for making this video!
7:35 que bonito duo
X-20 Dyna Soar. Neil Armstrong was one of the pilots selected, to fly this craft.
I love these comparison videos!!!
Sorry. I have to point it out. There is a typo at 3:30. Resulte, instead of result. But a brilliant video.
I LOVE this channel.. bro, you are getting better and better at this.
I’m pretty sure I built some of these in KSP by accident
A magnificent tour de force! Well done!
Moving look so crust and the aircraft looks amazing 0:10
Boeing is the last manufacturer of rockets I’d go with
To be fair, everything you see here was proposed back when Boeing actually used to be great- until it merged with McDonnell Douglas and everything started going downhill.
Wait! There's a new Hazegrayart? Clear my calendar and hold my calls. Let's go!
Damm, it's like 1960 Vibe + 2020 Kerbal. Freakin awesome ideas.
Just saying, you could have released this on April fools day and had the doors all fly off mid flight
Boeing: lol I think if we start bringing KSP players here we can make the largest rocket ever
Meanwhile KSP players:,
What if we attach 4 Saturn V's to a single payload?
Or what if we attach the sea dragon first stage to a saturn-v then attach the second stage of the falcon 9
Maybe we can also make this,
First stage SLS first stage
Boosters falcon 9 heavy
2nd stage atlas-v
The last is the spacecraft
Module: Apollo module
Lander: blue origin lander
The Apollo module will be attached to the crew dragon trunk.
And it will use the Merlin engine
NASA: big mistake guys fire em all
I'm kind of glad that none of these gigantic sea-launched concepts actually flew. They would have absolutely decimated sea life for hundreds of miles.
All the animations are wrong as it’s Boeing and the hatches are still intact.
Wonderful video bringing these concepts to life.
_BOEING_ once designed _WORKABLE SPACECRAFT??_
THAT'S A FIRST...🤦♂️
*EDIT→* I think that last line should have been:
*_"How the MIGHTY have FALLEN."_*
(néri)erre vàrtam rég!!!!❤❤❤❤+kék duna keringõ,mit is làttunk most akkor,amúgy tény tényleg gyönyörû!!!!❤❤❤
To think that the airforce was pretty close to actually having a reusable spaceplane as far back as 1963, was the greatest what could have beens.The X-20 design had been finalized and the pilots selected and the first X-20 was just starting to be built when the program was canceled,seems the airforce couldn't justify why they needed such a platform and the cost that went with it.
Just imagine what could have been if we hadn't been funding the Vietnam War!
Nice vid
Wow, i love this video. Great work!
I agree totally. The Vietnam War also killed the Air Force's manned orbital laboratory,which was supposed to take the place of the x-20,which also spelled the end of the USAF manned space program,to think we could have had a space station,in the late 60s,years before Skylab ever flew.
What the hell was that on board sound for the SRB-X, on a related note, I never thought I'd see something that seems worse than the Ares 1. But even then I'd give the SRB-X a slide since it was designed 10 years earlier and doesn't seem to be intended to carry crew.
2:26
a noob's first rocket in KSP will be like:
And the most ironic thing about this is that it is theoretically functional
people who hate the SRB-X hate fun
I'm waiting for someone to build the 4-SRB(5 including 2nd stage) version of the SRB-X in KSP! 😈
Absolutely fantastic!
Mr Hazegreyart your videos are outstanding. Are you friends with Everyday Astronaut ? I’m sure you could collaborate on projects. Red Side is also vey talented.
Excellent works, all!
I wonder what would have happened if they strapped four Sea Dragons together?
The vibrations would rip it apart, but if we ignored basic physics and economics, you could launch a 100-man mars base in one go
Very big and very dumb. But beautiful. I wish I was in the universe where they had built something like that. But I'm stuck in this universe....with SLS 😢
The end of the world
Boeing is the past and they dreamed a lot, but the present and future is SpaceX. SpaceX doesn't dream, he does. Boeing es el pasado y soñaban mucho, pero el presente y futuro es SpaceX. SpaceX no sueña, el hace.
Gray video, but I think the idea is to start at least for the first 30 km with the plane just like an anthem of 225, but maybe with 2 Wings and aerial refueling, so it will take off almost empty.
Eternally mad about Dynosoar. One of the biggest mistakes we made letting her rot.
Is there a dynasoar prototype somewhere
Is the pilot upside down at 0:40
3:11 I gotta admit, I'm really disappointed you didn't animate the iconic interstage fairing drop..
Which are the bits that fall off unintentionally?
What ia the payload on the Saturn V Beast?!?
The Blue Danube, hay, That's a break. The " big orion" proposal however, I thought would be good for long range reconnaissance missions, though. Just saying.
knowing their planes, i'm less than hopeful for their rocket concepts
At 4:30 - come to the Morton Thiokol industrial fish boil! All you can eat in a lifetime, And More!
IMIS 1968
boeing manned interplanetary spacecraft ???
Excellent video!!!
this channel rules
Wonderful animation.
Some of these first stages would have made very large holes in the ocean.
Easily patched holes.
SRB-X was truly cursed
Oops all SRBs
When you don't have enough science points in KSP to use larger liquid fueled boosters and you want to start building a space station.
@@danheidel I'd love to see someone make an SRB-XX in KSP aka SRB-X but with 4 SRBs(instead of just 2) firing at launch!
If Boeing wants to get back into being an actual profitable company, they should just dust off these old designs and perhaps make a TSTO version of "The Onion" rocket. Put a booster on that thing and it could probably compete with Starship.
Launching over the ocean, doesn't have that drawbacks as well?
need good weather all the way while delivering and fueling it. and you can't instantly bring it ashore without unfueling when weather suddenly gets bad. high probability to damage the ship
@@FatovMikhail what about the heat pushed into the ocean, won't it just destroy everything alive in there with a big radius, super loud shockwaves and other things, it sure can't be any good for nature and the mammals close by?
@@rjung_ch absolutely! but who cares? actually a lot of noise and bad smell will scare away everybody
@@FatovMikhail I care. I bet others care as well, but that won't stop anything unfortunately.
@@rjung_ch yes, China makes sea launches and they care only about food and medicine properties of life
Boeing: proving we can't build a spacecraft since 1958.
Starliner, may, prove that it's the exception.
this boeing could have, they just never got the chance. The boeing we've had for the last decade or two? Yeah, no, they won't prove themselves.
Give Boeing credit, if they put their minds to it they could certainly come up with a more insane idea than SRB-X.
Normal viewers : Nah... It's just some crazy sci-fi rockets...
KSP players : Challenge accepted ! ...
True that.
Watching this, I want to cry abit. I grew up with "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". Then they merged with McDonnell-Douglas... as for the proposals, Space Freighter seems the most viable and wasn't exactly new: there was a proposal to slap wings and other necessary gear on the S-1 stage of the Saturn V to make a reusable booster.
I have a Boeing pin that shos the shuttle with a completely reusable booster.
That was the original concept for the Shuttle as a whole - it could do everything the IRL one could, while being fully reusable. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough money for those... #FundNASA
4:20 The glow in the water looks cool and all but you would not see anything here but steam. A LOT of steam.
4:53 Korolev pentagram, x2.
3:32 “Untitled Spacecraft”
Would've been nice to get a little more info, such as height, weight, intended purpose for each one. Some had a little of that, but overall it was a great vid.
Everybody gangsta until LMLV ignites.
The rockets look like something a Krol player would make
Awesome work =)
Remember when Boeing wasn't shit? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Thanks 👍💪✌