I think the Time Cops didn't intervene in the Voyager finale because the results of Janeway's shenanigans were so beneficial to Humanity. Time cop: "Jesus, Sarge, did you see what Janeway just did? Time Cop Sergeant: **watching the Borg get rekt** "You know what, Jones? I'm OK with this."
Happisak's Happi Place. Lol, love Red Dwarf! “ Holly: Purple alert...purple alert..” Lister: “What’s a purple alert?” Holly: “Well, it’s not quite as bad as a red alert, but a bit worse than a blue alert...sort of a mauve alert.”
"The ship is the star of the show" ... I agree 100% and you are correct, the writers never understood that. In Generations, the end of the movie with Kirk fighting on a rock was horrible. What the fans wanted to see was a situation where Kirk found himself on the bridge or the Next Generation Enterprise commanding Riker and the rest while Picard was sent back the old Enterprise... The Nexus provided the PERFECT vehicle for this and the interactions would have been PRICELESS!
@@jamieolberding7731 it is clearly a leftist marxist leninist frankfurt school of thought show, my wife hated it so much when i showed her an episode, we will never watch ever, and she watched star trek from 1990's. I bet the chinese government is running the star trek discovery and not americans, it is clearly unfederation, inhuman, prowar and full of propaganda and guilt and stupid people and recycled rejected ships from older series, shame on them
The Time Police didn’t show up to stop Admiral Janeway, because she traveled to the future and killed them all before traveling back to help her younger self. It’s the perfect crime.
Jean-Luc Martel But before the final blow could be struck, she tore open a portal in time, flinging the terminator into the future, where her rule is law. Now the foolish machine seeks to return to the past, again, and undo the future that is JANEWAY.
In a strange turn of events, Samuel Beckett was sent not to the past within his own lifetime, but to the distant future. Where he had to prevent galactic war by brokering peace between the species of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. There he would spend the rest of his day as Jonathan Archer, never to return home, but his long journey was finally over as he would never have to leap again.
God...Vengeance was one of the best, terrifying ship, I've seen, in the Federation...eventhough it was in the alternative reality, it was a heavily armed vessel. The ship looked more advanced for it's time....so cool! 😎😎
Absolutely! And I know this has been said a million times, but the sounds it makes!! That thing sounds like a leviathan. A dark, terrifying leviathan, and one more than capable to follow up on that intimidation factor.
Always an amazing happy time to see British Ben geek it up about Star Trek! The most Gentlemanly person for the Gentlemans SciFi! *Lifts tea in salute*
Ctrl+K... Hated how lazy shows are getting.. The Mando did it with the Dark Troopers.. Discovery with Control Ships. Picard with The Romulan and Rikers Fleet.. lazy.. BSG had all the same shit but at least they moved it around and ain't looking at everything facing the same way no matter where there are.. ugh.. long rant over..
@@mcgrizz7604 sir if you are talking about the civ fleet then im sorry, the ships have to stay the same, cuz THEY ARE THE SAME there are like 30k humans left by mid season 4. vipers are standardised craft, so are raiders, basestars in rdm are living organisms and probably require the same configuration to function properly
"The ship is the star of the show" - Exactly. This is what some people don't understand about Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sure, the plot was a mix of The Changeling and The Corbomite Maneuver, but the travel pod orbit of the refit Enterprise was pure porn.
Indeed. I was involved in certain technical details of the motion control system built for the filming of that sequence. (This was before CGI. It was done at Abel in Hollywood, with a very large highly detailed model, a motion control system, and 35mm SLR cameras.) Most everyone involved thought the finished sequence was ridiculous and about five times too long. I disagreed. I loved it. But, I'm a Trekkie.
@@PhillipLandmeier I'd say you did a fantastic job. I've watched that sequence over and over and I enjoy it as much now as the first time I saw it. It's still one of my favorite films.
@@PhoenixBird9000 The team certainly did. I only played a small part in this project, tracking down and solving certain vibration problems in the motion control system. I don't even know if they exist anymore. Robert Abel and Associates was the premier team for building motion control and animatronics in Hollywood back then. The Conan exhibit at Universal Studios, with the fire-breathing dragon and laser blaster eyes, was all Abel. They designed and built all that. So, no credit to me, but I was there.
Regarding the third nacelle, The Official Star Fleet Technical Manual from the original series had a Dreadnought class ship with 3 nacelles. The third one was attached directly to the saucer in part so that it would have warp capability in the event of separation.
I like to think the reason the time police didn't interfere with Admiral Janeway saving Voyager is for 2 reasons: 1. It benefits the Federation in some way in their battle against the sphere builders. 2. Voyager buggers with the timeline so much in its 50 year journey home, that it's just easier to let them go home and the timeline for hundreds of other species is left unaffected.
3. Voyager's transfer to the Delta quadrant was the first violation, so each time somebody files a complaint against Voyager's shenanigans, it's met with a "Well where were you when Voyager got displaced into the Delta quadrant?" rebuttal.
Or could be more like the Doctor Who theory of 'fixed points/events' in time. Like that had to happen for things to be as they are. Or like the 'Year from Hell' 2 parter, where Annorax couldn't find the point in time to alter to bring back his wife.
Blue .Barrymore The actual battles were one of the least important things in Star Trek. The well written and thought provoking stories and characters were what made Trek great. Well... that’s what used to make it great...until the trash JJ/Kurtzman era we are currently in. “Trek” is just generic action schlock for the dumb masses now.
It's about the characters. It's always about the characters. If you don't care about the characters then all the other stuff doesn't matter. This coming from a computer animator who loves most ship designs...
I always get tickled when I see British Ben, I am so glad British Ben & American Ben talked about Star Trek in Humanity First Podcast, can't wait for Allen & The Bens do a round table on Podcast talk about Sci-fi Galore.
I actually don’t doubt that it’s an effective strike fleet, made up of somewhat formidable ships, but I too suspect he was massively embellishing with all that „toughest, fastest, whatever“ talk.
Yes I agree, that your "rant", was worth it. I also wish to see more of the same -plus, the bits you mentioned about how the last ENTERPRISE, was actually a BORG "hit-&-run", hunting ship -(I'd like to see clips of that action too...even if they have to be fabricated). I.. as always, had fun watching. Keep it up.
This may not have made it on to the show, but due to the U.S.S. Prometheus being successful for saucer-separating into three pieces, Starfleet created the U.S.S. Legos, a ship that could saucer-separate into several dozen pieces. It was particularly effective against aliens who didn't wear shoes. In a pinch, those pieces could then reassemble to form a fighting mecha. Different parts of the mecha would have command consoles for various parts of the staff - the captain at the head, chief engineer at the torso, science officer at the right arm, tactical officer at the left arm, chief medical officer at the right leg, counselor at the left leg, and last but not least the executive officer would be stationed at the mecha's groin area.
I think the third nacelle on the dreadnought cruiser was for a more stable warp field allowing the ship to maintain high warp speed for a longer period of time. Also I know it a matter of opinion but the Crossfield class kinda grow on me and Discovery isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.
@@zeromii3234 warp nacelles carry fuel , duterium and collects hydrogen. That is converted into fuel , right ? Its not there sole function, but fuel for shuttle's and anti matter to produce torpedoes if necessary. ( enterprise, Voyager)
@@johnymustacio there is ful in star trek . Heavy water and hydrogen. Anti matter. Is produced , its discussed in several episodes, of enterprise and Voyager. And tng .
Alone a Defiant class would be, as seen in First Contact, a nuisance to a Borg Cube. A squadron or a wing on the other hand would eat one of those things alive and would make for a heck of a visual. Given that this class wouldn't be to taxing to build for the dynamic ship you got out of it we should have seen these ships in greater numbers than we did in DS9. I know that the Defiant was the hero ship for Sisko and the gang but I'm sure that we could have been discerning enough to be able to know the difference.
Also the backstory was the Defiant had been fighting the Borg for hours and had been one of the first ships to engage it. It had been keeping up a running battle dodging shots and doing strafing runs. And yes, a swarm of them would make life hell for a Cube.
We do see several of them in the large battles in DS9, but starfleet also spent a lot of resources on refitting its vast fleet of older ships, which is also a cheap way of boosting your fleet, and the took up building more of the galaxy class ships, which does make sense, it could relatively easily be enhanced with newer weapons, was a proven design, and could also be used to transport large amounts of troops and equipment.
@@vrenak Defiant just make more sense when fighting the Dominion, you need fast manoeuvrable vessels, not the lumbering beasts that was the Galaxy class.
@@DavidKnowles0 The Dominion war wasn't just space battles, massive amounts of troops, and supplies, also needed to be moved, and for that part the Defiant class is worthless, the Excelsior, and Miranda classes are better but still quite limited, the Nebula and ambassador classe had a little better capacity, Akira a tad more, but the Galaxy class was the only truly large ship, with the combination of speed (it was faster than the defiant class), firepower and room for troops and supplies. The alternative is providing escort ships for every single transport. And as I said, the design was tried and tested, and we know from TNG the class had gone through a series of minor upgrades already.
@ValorJ Omega I would contest the notion of the Connie being the best looking one. Dunno.. I just like the compactness of the Miranda class - even if its statline is weaker. The later ships though sleek in design follow the bigger-is-better narrative which I do not like as it illustrates excess.
@ValorJ Omega I can't agree with the E or Defiant. That lil ship was definitely made for it's purpose. Kinda like the hot rod of the fleet. The D was just a grand ship that didn't catch the majesty of the originals. Maybe it was too big of a gap between the timeline to have us adjust to the new fleet. On tos you got to see multiple connies in action, being a real workhorse of the fleet. The galaxy class was more of a unicorn in tng until ds9 happened and you saw more of them
@@TheGuardianofAzarath Considering Starfleet has had a slew of ship classes for every purpose, all of a sudden there's just one class. Also with such a massive fleet, I don't think starfleet would put Riker in charge as less than a commodore, probably a rear admiral, even if it was just for that mission.
It’s funny how Riker has to explain the Zheng He’s power to someone who heads up Starfleet Security (not to mention a member of the Tal Shiar) and should be aware
It's because the writers forgot to introduce the ship and it's power in passing earlier in the season, so they had to let us know at that time, so now it just sounds weird, where if they had made a few casual mentions and maybe a visual or even just a blueprint, this wouldn't have been necessary. It's actually a good example of how poor the writing is in the modern trek.
Ah yes, made out of tritanium alloys, with primary and secondary shields, Disruptors 5000x more powerful than the standard quantum torpedoes, this ship could kill entire fleets of borg cubes instantly.
@@paulsedmak8388 Or that one Q who falls asleep unaware while posing as a nematoad on some far-flung planet when the Borg attack, and somehow starts getting nano-assimilated.
I get here and wade through the ads just in time for "Thanks for watching, please subscribe if you're new, and I'll see you next time!". Story of my life...
In Doctor Who, Mauve Alert is the highest universally accepted alert state, so Mauve Alert would be a banger. Also, there's a Comman & Conquer: Red Alert 2 mod titled Purple Alert. :D
In regards to the refit enterprises D's third nacelle - they do operate like magnets, the reason there can be a third is that the nacelles each have two coils in them, so a single nacelle on the D is operationally the same as two on a regular ship. Check out the freedom class as a case study. It's also stated somewhere in the technical manual, though I can't remember where.
And that also explains why the Defiant violates the unobstructed view between nacelles rule - each nacelle is in fact a pair of nacelles. The Delta Flyer must've also used that tech, in fact it apparently went mainstream as later designers seem to ignore that rule - except for the Curiosity class, which is a throwback to _classic_ designs… a homage if you will.
05. The Defiant wasn't just a lethal ship cause it was a lethal ship, it was also a logistical masterpiece, in that it could be built at smaller shipyards and only needed a crew of 40. You could get 9 Defiants for every Sovereign based on mass, and you could crew 21 Defiants with the Sovereign's crew! Split the difference and say 15 Defiants - put that up against the Scimitar and they would swarm and slaughter it. Mothball the older Starfleet ships and reassign the crew, a bit of Holodeck training and they're ready to go. But still not as great a logistical power up as number 6, the Admiral Janeway refit. A couple of days in field and a cruiser can upgrade itself to be almost impervious to attack and capable of one shooting nearly anything. Now use shipyard facilities and Starfleet could upgrade their entire fleet as soon as they can enter and leave. Now imagine the Enterprise-E with armour generators and transphasic torpedoes versus the Scimitar…
Interesting note, the three breasted woman in the Total Recall clip was played by Lycia Naff, who also played Ensign Sonja Gomez in two episodes of season two of TNG.
God, why is it just now I found that out; must've been the fact that she was playing two characters that couldn't be more polar opposite: an ensign that was more awkward and insular than Barclay, vs. a prostitute that wore clothes that made it clear she'd walk around naked if it wasn't for public indecency laws.
@@emperorgizmo3014 Well with all due respect, your highness Then you don't know Star Trek. Because it is very Star Trek and is based directly off Roddenberrys original 1963 scripts and his Novels. And if you had read Roddenberrys Star Trek Phase 2 novels, you would know that We finally got to see the Klingons as Roddenberry originally wanted them. Because even Discoveries Klingons were based directly from Roddenberrys drawings of them before the tv censors neutered them for being to scary. Even the U.S.S. Discovery was borrowed from the Original design of the U.S.S Enterprise 1701A. And if you ever watched Star Trek the Motion picture you would have seen it, because it was one of the ships that VGer attacked. Discoverys first episode was taken directly from the scripts Roddebenberry had written for the Star Trek Phase 2 1975 tv Series. In the reboot Roddenberry had Kirk rebelling like Burnham did. If you truly knew anything about Trek then you would know the Original series was the watered down rewrite of Roddenberrys original scripts and films he wrote and shot for the Cage. Discovery is allowing us to see Roddenberrys full uncensored and uncut vision of what he originally envisioned and wanted to bring to TV. His Son was finally able to bring his fathers original scripts back to life with Discovery. So yes it is very much Star Trek Go read Roddenberrys Star Trek Phase 2 novels.
@OriginalTharios In a half related topic, Charon, in its Greek pronunciation, means Wrath in Hebrew (biblical and modern). That's a fitting name for that ship.
@Alan J That was the only believable thing - i was 120 kg in my prime and got my ass kicked by a 50kg female sergeant in unarmed combat - these asian martial arts really are big into "a smaller skilled opponent beats a bigger unskilled one every day". According to a friend serving with me it looked like "that blond chick from Xena flingin a fucking cyclops around the room" (yeah it was 1995 so Xena was a thing)... Or if we ant to stay in universe Jadzia beating up klingons by the bakers dozen...
Me seeing the thumbnail: Is that a star in the middle of that ship? That's a STAR in the middle of that ship. Yes to anything you have to say about THAT.
Why would they show the ship? The show is about Picard, not the ship. Every single show is named after the ship as the main character...this one is named after the person as the main character
@@jupamoers star trek discovery was about the uss discovery however they still added the enterprise and i know a few people were pretty happy about that, every star trek series may be about a certain person or ship but the producers still insert cameos of other ships/people. another example being in the third season of discovery they added the uss voyager. Granted they added a hologram of a galaxy class ship that could have been the enterprise d but there was no clear markings, so would it not have hurt them to show the E or F at the end rather than what looks like the exact same class of ship 200 times? TL:DR just bc a show is named after a ship/person, doesnt mean the producers arent allowed to add a ship/person cameo.
Dude, Discovery is pretty good. I enjoyed the episodes. There were a couple of characters that I didn't like but I did enjoy the lead character. Also, Captain Pike was a plus for the show.
Season 1 was not not great but after that it was great . Most hate it cause its avoiding the cheesy stuff star trek had or they has openly gay characters or the main character isn't white
I didn't watch more than a couple episodes of discovery. When the clip you showed had it spinning and blinking around, I actually laughed said outload, "what the hell is that!?" It's like a crappy Saturday morning cartoon.
1:51 First, the "Tin Man" has a name: Gomtuu. Secondly: "The sounds from Tin Man's interior were a combination of whale sounds and a recording of sound designer Jim Wolvington digesting pizza, recorded through a stethoscope." So it definitely *sounded* like someones distestive System! 4::10 4 Nacelle were pretty common too. There was even a 1-Nacelle thing, the Fredom Class. But still, 3 is a odd number. It is noticeable that they had a sort of "rule" for Ships in TNG: "The Nacelles must be able to see each other". 5:47 Yes, it broke the Temporal directive of Voyagers time. But the Admiral died before she could be aprehended. And the Temporal agencies left *any* Timetravel slide that is full initiated from the past and part of their own history. Like they never interfered with the Whale Mission. Or the half dozen they did in DS9. Really any time travel done in any Star Trek show before. 9:25 Did you just forget the part where the Reactor was also killing the Micelial network, thus potentially wiping out all life in the Multiverse? It could propably glass a planet on it's own in an hour (needs some time to fly around it), but it had the potential to kill more then any planetkiller ever could - by accident.
☼ 5:40 you cant scan all of pace time at once; you can slip thru. sometimes the changes made are less than intervening - it is all relative. you have to compare to the rest of time, and from your perspective. there are also time wars that mean regions of space and time are unscanable for periods. but, yeah: i made all that up.
I took Will Riker's statement about the 'USS Zheng He' as a Poker Bluff. Basically an I'm All In and I really don't want you to call my bluff bc my Jack high won't hold up. Riker always had a good Poker Face in the TNG Poker games on ship.
@@Gunnar001 your tears still taste delicious. You sound like those neckbeard guys from Gamergate. Getting angry that "their" gaming niche was being "invaded" by other groups and started to cry "SJWS!" like morons to anything new or different. :D
Not just Disgracery, but actually any ship in the franchise that JJ Abrams and his crony Kurtzman were involved with. Doesn't get a whole lot more destructive than the annihilation of an entire "reality"
@@TravelWithCesarin the thing is discovery isn't bad because it's different. it's bad because it's different while telling us it's the same, making it extremely inaccurate
You done a part 3 yet? I did a search but nada. I've got another ship for you, and I know those of you reading will laugh and show me the door for this one, but, V'Ger was pretty damn powerful and it did require a consciousness at its controls, so it was a ship by definition. It was also shrouded by that mysterious death cloud. I like that you've got the ISS Charon in this one, that was a pretty cool ship.
I mean no love for Balok's ship? That was maybe the most powerful ship in the show, matched only by perhaps the Borg Cube. "Yes, we're very much alike, Captain. Both proud of our ships."
10:10 what are you talking about? Everybody knows the "Zheng He" is Copy-Paste-Class. Also its speculated that Riker, as an old poker veteran, is bluffing like crazy in this scene :P
The problem with Discovery's drive was if they miscalculated they could spontaneously create a _sperm whale and a bowl of petunias_ *in space.* That's why it was never used in the prime timeline, ethical reasons - and whale blubber raining down on planetary surfaces from orbit.
@@ghekj Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now. Gotta love Douglas Adams
I love the Prometheus. Anyone who studys war realizes that you must always out flank your opponent to win. 1 ship 3 different flanks. I'm 47 by the way.
Just wanted to post this -- I have always thought of the USS Defiant as Starfleet's Little Bitch That Could, and the USS Enterprise-E as Picard's Rocket Bomb
Egad... That Egg Beater bit Discovery does when entering Spore Drive is something I saw my Boys (6 & 4) do with their Toy space ships to indicate jumps or Battle Maneuvers. Many moons ago and I only saw the first episode of Disco... only took the one to determine I wasn't inclined to Pay for that Tripe! I'll take the Defiant any Ole day and be Happy for it! Cheers!
There's actually a connection between 3 breasted Total Recall lady and Star Trek. The actress who played her, Lycia Naff, also played Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG.
The time police have let a lot of things slide, not the least of which being the Doctor's mobile emitter. BTW, thanks for the Purple Alert. Red Dwarf fans would know why. Riker really wouldn't have to tell her about the ship. She worked at Starfleet Command.
forgot blue and gray blue alert was for landing a starship voyager or cloking defiant gray alert was a aleret status where ship was on minimal power only no replicators no turbolifts to be used etc...
Tin Man had a special "FTL" faster then light drive, called a FART Drive. and then you wonder why it could spin an destroy other ships. For they where blown away by the corrosive smell of the day. As for the USS Prometheus, it was created by a teen in 1986, and then the USC Liberty became part of the Robo Trek series of illustrated novels.
Actually, I figured out why the Zheng He was so powerful (and it's for a feat that we DO see on screen): It's the first Starfleet ship with the Shadow-Clone Jutsu.
In Picard they unfortunately cut the scene at the very end where the *Zeng He* and the rest of the Starfleet Armada _ambush the Romulan fleet as they are "escorting" them out of Federation territory._ *They had waited* till the Romulans were away from the Android Homeworld so no stray shots could take out the colony. After all leaving Commodore Oh alive was just too much of a security risk, she knew every detail of Starfleet Intelligence and could cripple their entire Spy Network…imagine if she went Wikileaks on them and friendly governments discovered they have been compromised and spied on. And also they wanted justice (and _revenge…_ but not saying that out loud) for the Mars Utopia Planetia terrorist attack catastrophe. The Romulan refugees condoned the destruction of the Zhat Vash after the fact, when it was pointed out that the Zhat Vash's actions had lead to the full scale evacuation of Romulas being abandoned. In fact it greatly improved the attitude to the Federation among the Romulan diaspora. Besides, the Zhat Vash are a very secretive group that obviously operate in cells, so it was the *only chance* to get them all together to eliminate them. Otherwise hunting down such a elusive threat would be extremely difficult and almost fruitless, it was decided once StarFleet had been informed of the truth that it would be a mission of elimination. As the Zhat Vash fleet was in warp with the Federation fleet following them, at a prearranged signal (using new protocols, cause of the security breaches in Starfleet Intelligence) all Starfleet ships simultaneously opened fire with quantum torpedoes at every Zhat Vash ship, targeting their warp cores. Not every Romulan ship was destroyed in the first volley, but the survivors were damaged enough to drop out of warp and be unable to cloak (although StarFleets cloaking countermeasures were far more effective at this time, to the point that even log cabins could be equipped to detect cloaked ships). Commodore Oh's ship was of course priority target number one and got hit with multiple torpedoes in the first salvo, obliterating it. The surviving ships were all mopped up with phaser fire, although some were captured for Intelligence and interrogation - StarFleet brought in the Betazoids and Vulcans for deep telepathic probes. With Narek in custody on the Android Homeworld and the prisoners and files they captured, Starfleet was able to completely wipe out the Zhat Vash, mopping up their hidden faculties and deep cover agents. But the episode length didn't allow this sequence, so it will only be referred to with dialogue in passing, in the next series - although there is hope of a director's cut extended edition.
@@jamiengo2343 Is it? I would totally think Kurtzman capable of making Riker give that kind of command. He assassinated literally every other TNG or VOY character he got his grubby, incompetent fingers on...
@@ghekj One wonders though, was the entirety of the Zhat Vash wiped out? I don't think they'd be so foolish as to bring their ENTIRE force in on this operation. A hyper-secretive organization doesn't last for so long in already hyper-secretive Romulan society by acting rashly. It was postulated that Cmd. Oh's vessel was the only CREWED ship, the rest, smaller ships, were remotely piloted. Thus not requiring all that much manpower for this operation.
Okay, so mention of Timeship Relativity, Temporal Dreadnought like Paradox class, no mention of Tzenkethi ships with devastating Diffusive Tetryon weapons, command battleships like Concorde class, non federation ships like Iconian Vonph and Iaidon class, Na'Kuhl Tadari and Daemosh timeships, Tholian meshweavers and tarantula class, Borg Unimatrix command ship, Borg Time travel spheres, Na'Kuhl time portals and of course, Vaadwaur juggernaut, Vaadwaur Astika and Manasa Artillery ships? Conveniently omitted.
I personally liked the design of the Prometheus and am surprised people hate it. Oh well can't please everyone, but given that it has the capability of going warp 9.99 (which is as close to Trans Warp as you're going to get with a conventional warp drive) and is armed to the teeth, I liked it as a true battleship of the Federation that we sadly didn't get to see used after just one episode. But hey that's just my opinion on it.
Approx. 4:40 Sorry, but you're wrong here. That was not a phase cannon, Riker explains in the episode that it is specifically a phase LANCE... a class of phaser weapon normally mounted only on stations due to its power requirements and recoil. Yes, you read that right, recoil. That's why his personal, up gunned Enterprise D had that 3rd warp nacelle: to both power and overcome the recoil of, that massive weapon.
First off, the 3 nacelle Enterprise wasn't built to be kewl. It's what you call a dreadnought. Even in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual (1975) a dreadnought has 3 nacelles with the main difference that the 3rd nacelle was mounted on the aft section of the saucer. One could say that the central nacelle was there to specifically power the Phaser canon on the ventral side.
Uh, the "Enterprise D" that you described was just the Dreadnought. The same way that a retrofitted modern warship can have its class updated, so can Starfleet ships. Plus, the power of warp depends on the actual shape, composition and number of warp coils. Another nacelle would in fact generate more energy in the warp field. Plasma from the warp core is introduced into the coils and they generate the field around the ship, kind of like electromagnets with electricity.
That TNG episode involving the Douwd & the Husnock was a good morality episode. The Tin Man, real name Gomtuu, was a really good episode. I hope a proper model is made of Picard's Zheng He class eventually instead of the low detail given in the episode.
The Douwd destroys the Husnock. Reactions: Organians shake their heads Most Q don’t give a crap, except for Q who says, “Dude, even I don’t do that!” 0 watched from behind the Galactic Barrier and gives him a thumbs-up: “Man, I had to blow up a sun to wipe out a civilization. Kudos!” The Borg regret being unable to add their biological and technological distinctiveness to their own
I think the Time Cops didn't intervene in the Voyager finale because the results of Janeway's shenanigans were so beneficial to Humanity.
Time cop: "Jesus, Sarge, did you see what Janeway just did?
Time Cop Sergeant: **watching the Borg get rekt** "You know what, Jones? I'm OK with this."
Andy B That's...actually not far off from Memory Beta. If Adm. Janeway didn't Intervene the Borg would've practically taken over, said the DTI
I think the time cops don't care about events that lead to their existing, just anything that would change their existence.
I remember them also talking about the "Janeway factor" because she kept interfering with their activities.
It’s probably something that was supposed to happen.
A canon event, if you will…
@@AndorRadnai "bootstrap" paradox?
"Step up to red alert?"
"Are you absolutely sure, it does mean changing the bulb...!"
Loved that Red Dwarf episode hilarious.
"double red alert"
Happisak's Happi Place. Lol, love Red Dwarf! “
Holly: Purple alert...purple alert..”
Lister: “What’s a purple alert?”
Holly: “Well, it’s not quite as bad as a red alert, but a bit worse than a blue alert...sort of a mauve alert.”
@@mopar_dude9227 This is NOT a daffodil.
I prefer brown alert
"The ship is the star of the show" ... I agree 100% and you are correct, the writers never understood that. In Generations, the end of the movie with Kirk fighting on a rock was horrible. What the fans wanted to see was a situation where Kirk found himself on the bridge or the Next Generation Enterprise commanding Riker and the rest while Picard was sent back the old Enterprise... The Nexus provided the PERFECT vehicle for this and the interactions would have been PRICELESS!
Burnham steps onto the bridge.
Black Alert!
Burnham: “Dude... Uncool.”
Haha
😂👍🏽
@@GenerationFilms I totally HATE and LOATHE that ABOMINATION of a show "Star Trek: Discovery" for so many reasons, and I don't want to talk about it.
@Maurice Ernest Yutong I'm NOT kidding! I really LOATHE that ABOMINATION of a show "Star Trek: Discovery"!!!
@@jamieolberding7731 it is clearly a leftist marxist leninist frankfurt school of thought show, my wife hated it so much when i showed her an episode, we will never watch ever, and she watched star trek from 1990's. I bet the chinese government is running the star trek discovery and not americans, it is clearly unfederation, inhuman, prowar and full of propaganda and guilt and stupid people and recycled rejected ships from older series, shame on them
The Time Police didn’t show up to stop Admiral Janeway, because she traveled to the future and killed them all before traveling back to help her younger self. It’s the perfect crime.
bUT THEN SKYNET SENT A TERMINATOR BACK THROUGH TIME AND ASSASSINATE JANEWAY BEFORE SHE COULD GO TO THE FUTURE AND....
Actually, the Temporal Investigation novels deal with this issue more seriously
Jean-Luc Martel But before the final blow could be struck, she tore open a portal in time, flinging the terminator into the future, where her rule is law. Now the foolish machine seeks to return to the past, again, and undo the future that is JANEWAY.
@@FrozenPhoenix15 BUT THEN AT THE CRITICAL HOUR ANOTHER TERMINATOR GETS SENT TO KILL HER AS A CHILD.
In a strange turn of events, Samuel Beckett was sent not to the past within his own lifetime, but to the distant future. Where he had to prevent galactic war by brokering peace between the species of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. There he would spend the rest of his day as Jonathan Archer, never to return home, but his long journey was finally over as he would never have to leap again.
God...Vengeance was one of the best, terrifying ship, I've seen, in the Federation...eventhough it was in the alternative reality, it was a heavily armed vessel. The ship looked more advanced for it's time....so cool! 😎😎
One of the most cool things to ever be made by Abrams.
Absolutely! And I know this has been said a million times, but the sounds it makes!! That thing sounds like a leviathan. A dark, terrifying leviathan, and one more than capable to follow up on that intimidation factor.
Don't forget the Enterprise E carries Quantum Torpedoes as well 👍
Always an amazing happy time to see British Ben geek it up about Star Trek! The most Gentlemanly person for the Gentlemans SciFi! *Lifts tea in salute*
Earl grey, hot...
*Lifts tea and salutes in agreement*
"This is acting Captain William Riker of the USS Cut 'n Paste."
Ctrl+K... Hated how lazy shows are getting.. The Mando did it with the Dark Troopers.. Discovery with Control Ships. Picard with The Romulan and Rikers Fleet.. lazy.. BSG had all the same shit but at least they moved it around and ain't looking at everything facing the same way no matter where there are.. ugh.. long rant over..
@@mcgrizz7604 I'd go even further on some of that but how does it apply to Dark Troopers? They seem out if place on the list.
@@mcgrizz7604 sir if you are talking about the civ fleet then im sorry, the ships have to stay the same, cuz THEY ARE THE SAME there are like 30k humans left by mid season 4. vipers are standardised craft, so are raiders, basestars in rdm are living organisms and probably require the same configuration to function properly
Lol so true
@@mcgrizz7604 the new Trek is not Trek and is BARELY serviceable sci-fi, if at all.
Hooray! More British Ben.
You need to do more episodes =D.
We miss you soo much!!!
I love how British Ben pronounces 郑和 correctly 😍
I came here to say just that
@@gardendaily Yeah, we Americans can't pronounce Porche correctly either...
@@rickelleman6613 You can't spell it right
The USS Zheingg Hei
@@rickelleman6613 you probably can't pronounce forte or Worchester correctly either, so you enjoy speaking for your damn self from now on.
"The ship is the star of the show" - Exactly. This is what some people don't understand about Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sure, the plot was a mix of The Changeling and The Corbomite Maneuver, but the travel pod orbit of the refit Enterprise was pure porn.
Indeed. I was involved in certain technical details of the motion control system built for the filming of that sequence. (This was before CGI. It was done at Abel in Hollywood, with a very large highly detailed model, a motion control system, and 35mm SLR cameras.) Most everyone involved thought the finished sequence was ridiculous and about five times too long. I disagreed. I loved it. But, I'm a Trekkie.
@@PhillipLandmeier I'd say you did a fantastic job. I've watched that sequence over and over and I enjoy it as much now as the first time I saw it. It's still one of my favorite films.
@@PhoenixBird9000 The team certainly did. I only played a small part in this project, tracking down and solving certain vibration problems in the motion control system.
I don't even know if they exist anymore. Robert Abel and Associates was the premier team for building motion control and animatronics in Hollywood back then. The Conan exhibit at Universal Studios, with the fire-breathing dragon and laser blaster eyes, was all Abel. They designed and built all that.
So, no credit to me, but I was there.
Terran Empire? More like Karen Empire! "Bring me your manager!" **Kills the manager** "Any questions? Good! Give me what I want!"
Regarding the third nacelle, The Official Star Fleet Technical Manual from the original series had a Dreadnought class ship with 3 nacelles. The third one was attached directly to the saucer in part so that it would have warp capability in the event of separation.
YES Thank You. Somebody finally said it. STARSHIP is the star of the Star Trek :D
I like to think the reason the time police didn't interfere with Admiral Janeway saving Voyager is for 2 reasons:
1. It benefits the Federation in some way in their battle against the sphere builders.
2. Voyager buggers with the timeline so much in its 50 year journey home, that it's just easier to let them go home and the timeline for hundreds of other species is left unaffected.
Hahaha i can imagine the time police assigned to watch Voyager, "f*ck this shit, just go home, and stay put!" =D
No. 2 actually makes sense to me...
3. Voyager's transfer to the Delta quadrant was the first violation, so each time somebody files a complaint against Voyager's shenanigans, it's met with a "Well where were you when Voyager got displaced into the Delta quadrant?" rebuttal.
Or could be more like the Doctor Who theory of 'fixed points/events' in time. Like that had to happen for things to be as they are. Or like the 'Year from Hell' 2 parter, where Annorax couldn't find the point in time to alter to bring back his wife.
Absolutely right about that Zheng He pronunciation. A big huge thumb up for your good preparation.
I can’t agree more about the most important character being the ships. JJ never figured that out either.
Blue .Barrymore The actual battles were one of the least important things in Star Trek. The well written and thought provoking stories and characters were what made Trek great.
Well... that’s what used to make it great...until the trash JJ/Kurtzman era we are currently in. “Trek” is just generic action schlock for the dumb masses now.
It's about the characters. It's always about the characters. If you don't care about the characters then all the other stuff doesn't matter.
This coming from a computer animator who loves most ship designs...
I totally disagree
@@Gunnar001 An one of the characters is the ship.
@@bujoun76 The ships, tone and characters are very important. The battles are only dressing for what should be good writing and character development.
I always get tickled when I see British Ben, I am so glad British Ben & American Ben talked about Star Trek in Humanity First Podcast, can't wait for Allen & The Bens do a round table on Podcast talk about Sci-fi Galore.
I just saw the TinMan episode yesterday on Netflix and ... youtube recommends me your video! Seriously wow!
I love this channel and Gen Tech like legit Nerd Heaven
Riker is a poker player. He was bluffing. The ship's hull was probably made from recycled Oberth and Miranda class hulls, pure explodium!
That's hilarious and I kinda hope that's true now
I actually don’t doubt that it’s an effective strike fleet, made up of somewhat formidable ships, but I too suspect he was massively embellishing with all that „toughest, fastest, whatever“ talk.
Yes I agree, that your "rant", was worth it. I also wish to see more of the same -plus, the bits you mentioned about how the last ENTERPRISE, was actually a BORG "hit-&-run", hunting ship -(I'd like to see clips of that action too...even if they have to be fabricated).
I.. as always, had fun watching. Keep it up.
This may not have made it on to the show, but due to the U.S.S. Prometheus being successful for saucer-separating into three pieces, Starfleet created the U.S.S. Legos, a ship that could saucer-separate into several dozen pieces. It was particularly effective against aliens who didn't wear shoes.
In a pinch, those pieces could then reassemble to form a fighting mecha. Different parts of the mecha would have command consoles for various parts of the staff - the captain at the head, chief engineer at the torso, science officer at the right arm, tactical officer at the left arm, chief medical officer at the right leg, counselor at the left leg, and last but not least the executive officer would be stationed at the mecha's groin area.
Shouldn't a redshirt be in the groin?
I think the third nacelle on the dreadnought cruiser was for a more stable warp field allowing the ship to maintain high warp speed for a longer period of time. Also I know it a matter of opinion but the Crossfield class kinda grow on me and Discovery isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.
And it would carry more fuel for longer missions
@@zeromii3234 warp nacelles carry fuel , duterium and collects hydrogen. That is converted into fuel , right ? Its not there sole function, but fuel for shuttle's and anti matter to produce torpedoes if necessary. ( enterprise, Voyager)
@@shanenolan8252 whut is this mystery fuel? there's no feul in star trek!
@@johnymustacio there is ful in star trek . Heavy water and hydrogen. Anti matter. Is produced , its discussed in several episodes, of enterprise and Voyager. And tng .
Alone a Defiant class would be, as seen in First Contact, a nuisance to a Borg Cube. A squadron or a wing on the other hand would eat one of those things alive and would make for a heck of a visual. Given that this class wouldn't be to taxing to build for the dynamic ship you got out of it we should have seen these ships in greater numbers than we did in DS9. I know that the Defiant was the hero ship for Sisko and the gang but I'm sure that we could have been discerning enough to be able to know the difference.
Also the backstory was the Defiant had been fighting the Borg for hours and had been one of the first ships to engage it.
It had been keeping up a running battle dodging shots and doing strafing runs.
And yes, a swarm of them would make life hell for a Cube.
We do see more of them in Voyager fighting warbirds
We do see several of them in the large battles in DS9, but starfleet also spent a lot of resources on refitting its vast fleet of older ships, which is also a cheap way of boosting your fleet, and the took up building more of the galaxy class ships, which does make sense, it could relatively easily be enhanced with newer weapons, was a proven design, and could also be used to transport large amounts of troops and equipment.
@@vrenak Defiant just make more sense when fighting the Dominion, you need fast manoeuvrable vessels, not the lumbering beasts that was the Galaxy class.
@@DavidKnowles0 The Dominion war wasn't just space battles, massive amounts of troops, and supplies, also needed to be moved, and for that part the Defiant class is worthless, the Excelsior, and Miranda classes are better but still quite limited, the Nebula and ambassador classe had a little better capacity, Akira a tad more, but the Galaxy class was the only truly large ship, with the combination of speed (it was faster than the defiant class), firepower and room for troops and supplies. The alternative is providing escort ships for every single transport. And as I said, the design was tried and tested, and we know from TNG the class had gone through a series of minor upgrades already.
Star Trek has always had a bit Starship Porn. that fleet at the end of Picard was bearly a page 3 pin-up
All the ships are too ugly even for a pin-up.
@ValorJ Omega I would contest the notion of the Connie being the best looking one. Dunno.. I just like the compactness of the Miranda class - even if its statline is weaker. The later ships though sleek in design follow the bigger-is-better narrative which I do not like as it illustrates excess.
@ValorJ Omega I can't agree with the E or Defiant. That lil ship was definitely made for it's purpose. Kinda like the hot rod of the fleet. The D was just a grand ship that didn't catch the majesty of the originals. Maybe it was too big of a gap between the timeline to have us adjust to the new fleet. On tos you got to see multiple connies in action, being a real workhorse of the fleet. The galaxy class was more of a unicorn in tng until ds9 happened and you saw more of them
That's because they were all the same ship, with some slight variations. I'm not kidding, they used the same hull model over and over. Very sloppy.
@@TheGuardianofAzarath Considering Starfleet has had a slew of ship classes for every purpose, all of a sudden there's just one class. Also with such a massive fleet, I don't think starfleet would put Riker in charge as less than a commodore, probably a rear admiral, even if it was just for that mission.
It’s funny how Riker has to explain the Zheng He’s power to someone who heads up Starfleet Security (not to mention a member of the Tal Shiar) and should be aware
It's because the writers forgot to introduce the ship and it's power in passing earlier in the season, so they had to let us know at that time, so now it just sounds weird, where if they had made a few casual mentions and maybe a visual or even just a blueprint, this wouldn't have been necessary. It's actually a good example of how poor the writing is in the modern trek.
@@vrenak this is kurtz trek in my book, modern trek is enterprise and voyager. and i'll be damned if you call enterprise a poorly written show.
@@grigss3027 VOY and ENT belong to the classic style of Star Trek, along with TOS, TAS, TNG, and DS9, and their associated movies.
Most powerful ship: Q riding a bicycle
Ah yes, made out of tritanium alloys, with primary and secondary shields, Disruptors 5000x more powerful than the standard quantum torpedoes, this ship could kill entire fleets of borg cubes instantly.
Imagine the entire Q continuum on bicycles
@@paulsedmak8388 Or that one Q who falls asleep unaware while posing as a nematoad on some far-flung planet when the Borg attack, and somehow starts getting nano-assimilated.
@@alecsandyr can you hurt a Q?
with normal weapons???
@@paulsedmak8388 perhapse the 8472 race
I get here and wade through the ads just in time for "Thanks for watching, please subscribe if you're new, and I'll see you next time!".
Story of my life...
you can replay it lol
@@GenerationFilms Not the same as getting to watch it live mate
Always worth a 2nd or 3rd viewing! Kinda like 2nd and 3rd breakfast!
@@ojisanhoward8940 True enough. Fun fact: those _also_ fall under the category of "story of my life"!
its 2020 and u still don't have adblock ?
"the ship is the star of the show"...thank you, I 100% agree.
Purple Alert: Well, it's sort of like, not as bad as a Red Alert, but a bit worse than a Blue Alert. Kind of like a Mauve Alert ..
++PURPLE ALERT++
++PURPLE ALERT++
**Attention all hands, the galley has run out of Brandy**
++THIS IS NOT A DRILL++
God help us if its a potato alert.
Say your prayers.
In Doctor Who, Mauve Alert is the highest universally accepted alert state, so Mauve Alert would be a banger.
Also, there's a Comman & Conquer: Red Alert 2 mod titled Purple Alert. :D
I could be wrong, but it looks like a time space anomaly. There’s this big wibbly wobbly swirly thing, and it’s headed this way!
@@Pete...NoNotThatOne Yep, time to adopt the crash position and start reading the inflight magazines.
In regards to the refit enterprises D's third nacelle - they do operate like magnets, the reason there can be a third is that the nacelles each have two coils in them, so a single nacelle on the D is operationally the same as two on a regular ship. Check out the freedom class as a case study. It's also stated somewhere in the technical manual, though I can't remember where.
Thanks for the info
And that also explains why the Defiant violates the unobstructed view between nacelles rule - each nacelle is in fact a pair of nacelles.
The Delta Flyer must've also used that tech, in fact it apparently went mainstream as later designers seem to ignore that rule - except for the Curiosity class, which is a throwback to _classic_ designs… a homage if you will.
@@casbot71 Lets not forget all the other species that don't follow the old "rule" like the Cardassians, Kazon, and even the Klingon birds of prey..
@@casbot71 Imagine if that Galaxy Variant saw action against the Dominion.
generation films: 郑和
Riker: ZING HEE
Star trek fans: ah. the USS CNTRL V
If just nothing after 2009 was included I, I just couldn't agree more^^
Before 2009.
Finally another Star Trek video
05. The Defiant wasn't just a lethal ship cause it was a lethal ship, it was also a logistical masterpiece, in that it could be built at smaller shipyards and only needed a crew of 40.
You could get 9 Defiants for every Sovereign based on mass, and you could crew 21 Defiants with the Sovereign's crew!
Split the difference and say 15 Defiants - put that up against the Scimitar and they would swarm and slaughter it.
Mothball the older Starfleet ships and reassign the crew, a bit of Holodeck training and they're ready to go.
But still not as great a logistical power up as number 6, the Admiral Janeway refit.
A couple of days in field and a cruiser can upgrade itself to be almost impervious to attack and capable of one shooting nearly anything.
Now use shipyard facilities and Starfleet could upgrade their entire fleet as soon as they can enter and leave.
Now imagine the Enterprise-E with armour generators and transphasic torpedoes versus the Scimitar…
A lot of bang for the buck.
@@TheCJUN : Hive-minded species agree.
The Scimitar had fighter craft on board.
It would have launched them at a fleet of Defiants.
An each Defiant class could take one multiple dominion fighters and win.
@@ThePathStrider It would be the most epic fight with the Enterprise E and 21 defiants taking on the Scimitar.
I do appreciate your pronunciation for Zheng He, quite accurate!
@7:07 My dude, I don't know how you guys do conversions in the metric system but that's *2* torpedoes.
Interesting note, the three breasted woman in the Total Recall clip was played by Lycia Naff, who also played Ensign Sonja Gomez in two episodes of season two of TNG.
As a nod to TR they should have cast her as a three tit-tied mutant/alien. Riker would have porked her though, HAHAHA.
@@jafleming0409 lmaooooooooo
@@jafleming0409 Too right. Randy Riker would be like a kid with a new console/controller. hehe
@@eddiestone1509 - ROFL 🤣
God, why is it just now I found that out; must've been the fact that she was playing two characters that couldn't be more polar opposite: an ensign that was more awkward and insular than Barclay, vs. a prostitute that wore clothes that made it clear she'd walk around naked if it wasn't for public indecency laws.
Discovery is the best star trek show to date because Burnham is a combo of Kirk Sisko and Janeway.
😂
Discovery isn't Star Trek sorry. Only in name, not in spirit. Only Roddenberry Verse Trek is true Trek.
@@emperorgizmo3014 Well with all due respect, your highness Then you don't know Star Trek.
Because it is very Star Trek and is based directly off Roddenberrys original 1963 scripts and his Novels.
And if you had read Roddenberrys Star Trek Phase 2 novels, you would know that We finally got to see the Klingons as Roddenberry originally wanted them.
Because even Discoveries Klingons were based directly from Roddenberrys drawings of them before the tv censors neutered them for being to scary.
Even the U.S.S. Discovery was borrowed from the Original design of the U.S.S Enterprise 1701A.
And if you ever watched Star Trek the Motion picture you would have seen it, because it was one of the ships that VGer attacked.
Discoverys first episode was taken directly from the scripts Roddebenberry had written for the Star Trek Phase 2 1975 tv Series. In the reboot Roddenberry had Kirk rebelling like Burnham did.
If you truly knew anything about Trek then you would know the Original series was the watered down rewrite of Roddenberrys original scripts and films he wrote and shot for the Cage.
Discovery is allowing us to see Roddenberrys full uncensored and uncut vision of what he originally envisioned and wanted to bring to TV.
His Son was finally able to bring his fathers original scripts back to life with Discovery.
So yes it is very much Star Trek
Go read Roddenberrys Star Trek Phase 2 novels.
The best crewmembers working on the mushroom drive: the Mario brothers!
The ship will instantly gain size.
🖖😎👍Very well done and very well explained and informative indeed 👌.
Laughs about mispronunciation of a Chinese name then proceeds to mispronounce Charon of greek mythology (Χάρων)...
@OriginalTharios In a half related topic, Charon, in its Greek pronunciation, means Wrath in Hebrew (biblical and modern). That's a fitting name for that ship.
I've heard much worse pronunciation of Admiral Zheng He, it's one of the better ones really.
and with great confidence he gets it wrong
i though it was kharon
@@jesusmora9379 Both Charon and Kharon are acceptable in English (probably) since it does not have an equivalent letter for the Greek letter Chi (Χ)
We are agree with the ship rant at the end!
"USS DIscovery. An ugly ship from an awful show" - you just earned yourself a LIKE!
@Alan J That was the only believable thing - i was 120 kg in my prime and got my ass kicked by a 50kg female sergeant in unarmed combat - these asian martial arts really are big into "a smaller skilled opponent beats a bigger unskilled one every day".
According to a friend serving with me it looked like "that blond chick from Xena flingin a fucking cyclops around the room" (yeah it was 1995 so Xena was a thing)...
Or if we ant to stay in universe Jadzia beating up klingons by the bakers dozen...
*jumps behind you* Well either way
I still enjoy it
*Fires Missiles*
Boom
Me seeing the thumbnail: Is that a star in the middle of that ship? That's a STAR in the middle of that ship. Yes to anything you have to say about THAT.
the three nacelles are a throw back to the dreadnaught for the TOS tech manual by franze Joseph
was it just me that was dissapointed that they didn't show the enterprise in star trek picard
Yes.
Why would they show the ship? The show is about Picard, not the ship.
Every single show is named after the ship as the main character...this one is named after the person as the main character
@@jupamoers star trek discovery was about the uss discovery however they still added the enterprise and i know a few people were pretty happy about that, every star trek series may be about a certain person or ship but the producers still insert cameos of other ships/people. another example being in the third season of discovery they added the uss voyager. Granted they added a hologram of a galaxy class ship that could have been the enterprise d but there was no clear markings, so would it not have hurt them to show the E or F at the end rather than what looks like the exact same class of ship 200 times? TL:DR just bc a show is named after a ship/person, doesnt mean the producers arent allowed to add a ship/person cameo.
@@Kaylathefoxo s3 of disc showed a dirivative of voyager, like ent 1701 and ent J. but you are right the showrunners should understand this.
@Fred Garven its kurtz trek why are you typing such long sentences for a show not worth 1/5 of that
Dude, Discovery is pretty good. I enjoyed the episodes. There were a couple of characters that I didn't like but I did enjoy the lead character. Also, Captain Pike was a plus for the show.
Nice
Season 1 was not not great but after that it was great . Most hate it cause its avoiding the cheesy stuff star trek had or they has openly gay characters or the main character isn't white
Impressed by your pronounciation of Zheng He
Just think there is a time Corp hundreds of years in the future watching us watch startrek thinking about it being impossible.
The Enterprise E was classified as a Sovereign Class Battlecruiser
Last i checked it was a battleship
this guy truly gets star trek
I didn't watch more than a couple episodes of discovery. When the clip you showed had it spinning and blinking around, I actually laughed said outload, "what the hell is that!?" It's like a crappy Saturday morning cartoon.
The Kelvin Enterprise was nearly the size of a Galaxy Class so that makes the Vengeance freaking massive.
First comment after live video. Y’all didn’t even know this was live at first
DISCOVER (season 2 & 3 ) IS A GREAT SHOW >:C
1:51 First, the "Tin Man" has a name: Gomtuu.
Secondly: "The sounds from Tin Man's interior were a combination of whale sounds and a recording of sound designer Jim Wolvington digesting pizza, recorded through a stethoscope."
So it definitely *sounded* like someones distestive System!
4::10 4 Nacelle were pretty common too. There was even a 1-Nacelle thing, the Fredom Class.
But still, 3 is a odd number. It is noticeable that they had a sort of "rule" for Ships in TNG: "The Nacelles must be able to see each other".
5:47 Yes, it broke the Temporal directive of Voyagers time. But the Admiral died before she could be aprehended.
And the Temporal agencies left *any* Timetravel slide that is full initiated from the past and part of their own history. Like they never interfered with the Whale Mission. Or the half dozen they did in DS9. Really any time travel done in any Star Trek show before.
9:25 Did you just forget the part where the Reactor was also killing the Micelial network, thus potentially wiping out all life in the Multiverse?
It could propably glass a planet on it's own in an hour (needs some time to fly around it), but it had the potential to kill more then any planetkiller ever could - by accident.
How cool would a transformer cross over where a transformer takes the form of a Star ship like one of the Enterprises 😀
☼ 5:40 you cant scan all of pace time at once; you can slip thru. sometimes the changes made are less than intervening - it is all relative. you have to compare to the rest of time, and from your perspective. there are also time wars that mean regions of space and time are unscanable for periods. but, yeah: i made all that up.
I took Will Riker's statement about the 'USS Zheng He' as a Poker Bluff. Basically an I'm All In and I really don't want you to call my bluff bc my Jack high won't hold up. Riker always had a good Poker Face in the TNG Poker games on ship.
English Ben!!!! I feel like we haven't seen you much as of late. More Ben and Star Trek please!
Khan was a genius...in the 20th-21st Century.
Nice to see Ensign Sonia Gomez make an appearance in a ST podcast... in some form or another
How about the discovery its so powerfull it landed a mortal wound on an entire franchise
the tears of the "true fans" are delicious XD
Cesarin Pillin Yes. Actual Star Trek fans hate all the new dumpster fires that shit all over the franchise.
@@Gunnar001 your tears still taste delicious.
You sound like those neckbeard guys from Gamergate. Getting angry that "their" gaming niche was being "invaded" by other groups and started to cry "SJWS!" like morons to anything new or different. :D
Not just Disgracery, but actually any ship in the franchise that JJ Abrams and his crony Kurtzman were involved with. Doesn't get a whole lot more destructive than the annihilation of an entire "reality"
@@TravelWithCesarin the thing is discovery isn't bad because it's different. it's bad because it's different while telling us it's the same, making it extremely inaccurate
You done a part 3 yet? I did a search but nada. I've got another ship for you, and I know those of you reading will laugh and show me the door for this one, but, V'Ger was pretty damn powerful and it did require a consciousness at its controls, so it was a ship by definition. It was also shrouded by that mysterious death cloud. I like that you've got the ISS Charon in this one, that was a pretty cool ship.
I may not like star trek, but I can respect the nod to total recall. Helped shape my childhood
The defiant was classified for ten years prior to it's use in ds9 it's energy matrix in particular as well as it's warp core
I mean no love for Balok's ship? That was maybe the most powerful ship in the show, matched only by perhaps the Borg Cube. "Yes, we're very much alike, Captain. Both proud of our ships."
Thanks for representing Trek on this channel as a few others have on other related Channels! Qua-Pla!
I think the temporal guys just got tired of dealing with Janeway.
You are 100% correct !! The ship and what it can do is the best part of the show. You could say it’s is it’s own character.
10:10 what are you talking about? Everybody knows the "Zheng He" is Copy-Paste-Class. Also its speculated that Riker, as an old poker veteran, is bluffing like crazy in this scene :P
copy paste class, thats funny
Except the person he’s telling it to would be perfectly aware of the ship, given her position in Starfleet
The problem with Discovery's drive was if they miscalculated they could spontaneously create a _sperm whale and a bowl of petunias_ *in space.*
That's why it was never used in the prime timeline, ethical reasons - and whale blubber raining down on planetary surfaces from orbit.
Not again...
Earth: mostly harmless
@@ghekj Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now.
Gotta love Douglas Adams
The _Discovery_ and _Picard_ abominations have nothing to do with the prime Trek universe.
And the bowl of petunias thought of Kurtzman, “oh no, not again!”
I love the Prometheus. Anyone who studys war realizes that you must always out flank your opponent to win. 1 ship 3 different flanks. I'm 47 by the way.
"The human body would die in a few days without sleep" my insomnia determined that was a lie 😂
Just wanted to post this -- I have always thought of the USS Defiant as Starfleet's Little Bitch That Could, and the USS Enterprise-E as Picard's Rocket Bomb
Egad... That Egg Beater bit Discovery does when entering Spore Drive is something I saw my Boys (6 & 4) do with their Toy space ships to indicate jumps or Battle Maneuvers. Many moons ago and I only saw the first episode of Disco... only took the one to determine I wasn't inclined to Pay for that Tripe!
I'll take the Defiant any Ole day and be Happy for it!
Cheers!
I agree, space battles and great ship views.
Number 03 is pronounced "Whoose-Nock" like Goose, not "Hus-Nock" as in Hustle.
Thank you. Ours ironic since he questions Riker on the pronunciation of the #10 ship. Lol
@@ANIMOUS8 your welcome.. I find even a Thesaurus for non-made up words quite challenging at times.
There's actually a connection between 3 breasted Total Recall lady and Star Trek. The actress who played her, Lycia Naff, also played Ensign Sonya Gomez on TNG.
The time police have let a lot of things slide, not the least of which being the Doctor's mobile emitter.
BTW, thanks for the Purple Alert. Red Dwarf fans would know why.
Riker really wouldn't have to tell her about the ship. She worked at Starfleet Command.
forgot blue and gray blue alert was for landing a starship voyager or cloking defiant
gray alert was a aleret status where ship was on minimal power only no replicators no turbolifts to be used etc...
Good rant. Well deserved. Keep on keeping on.
Tin Man had a special "FTL" faster then light drive, called a FART Drive. and then you wonder why it could spin an destroy other ships. For they where blown away by the corrosive smell of the day. As for the USS Prometheus, it was created by a teen in 1986, and then the USC Liberty became part of the Robo Trek series of illustrated novels.
I happen to like the unusual appearance of the Crossfield class I have never seen a perforated saucer on a Federation starship
Actually, I figured out why the Zheng He was so powerful (and it's for a feat that we DO see on screen):
It's the first Starfleet ship with the Shadow-Clone Jutsu.
An evolution of when Voyager used holographic Telaxian ships as decoys.
In Picard they unfortunately cut the scene at the very end where the *Zeng He* and the rest of the Starfleet Armada _ambush the Romulan fleet as they are "escorting" them out of Federation territory._
*They had waited* till the Romulans were away from the Android Homeworld so no stray shots could take out the colony. After all leaving Commodore Oh alive was just too much of a security risk, she knew every detail of Starfleet Intelligence and could cripple their entire Spy Network…imagine if she went Wikileaks on them and friendly governments discovered they have been compromised and spied on.
And also they wanted justice (and _revenge…_ but not saying that out loud) for the Mars Utopia Planetia terrorist attack catastrophe. The Romulan refugees condoned the destruction of the Zhat Vash after the fact, when it was pointed out that the Zhat Vash's actions had lead to the full scale evacuation of Romulas being abandoned. In fact it greatly improved the attitude to the Federation among the Romulan diaspora.
Besides, the Zhat Vash are a very secretive group that obviously operate in cells, so it was the *only chance* to get them all together to eliminate them. Otherwise hunting down such a elusive threat would be extremely difficult and almost fruitless, it was decided once StarFleet had been informed of the truth that it would be a mission of elimination.
As the Zhat Vash fleet was in warp with the Federation fleet following them, at a prearranged signal (using new protocols, cause of the security breaches in Starfleet Intelligence) all Starfleet ships simultaneously opened fire with quantum torpedoes at every Zhat Vash ship, targeting their warp cores.
Not every Romulan ship was destroyed in the first volley, but the survivors were damaged enough to drop out of warp and be unable to cloak (although StarFleets cloaking countermeasures were far more effective at this time, to the point that even log cabins could be equipped to detect cloaked ships).
Commodore Oh's ship was of course priority target number one and got hit with multiple torpedoes in the first salvo, obliterating it.
The surviving ships were all mopped up with phaser fire, although some were captured for Intelligence and interrogation - StarFleet brought in the Betazoids and Vulcans for deep telepathic probes.
With Narek in custody on the Android Homeworld and the prisoners and files they captured, Starfleet was able to completely wipe out the Zhat Vash, mopping up their hidden faculties and deep cover agents.
But the episode length didn't allow this sequence, so it will only be referred to with dialogue in passing, in the next series - although there is hope of a director's cut extended edition.
This is a joke right?
@@jamiengo2343 Is it? I would totally think Kurtzman capable of making Riker give that kind of command. He assassinated literally every other TNG or VOY character he got his grubby, incompetent fingers on...
ghekj I didn’t know this was real or not, I was wondering whether this actually happens
@@ghekj One wonders though, was the entirety of the Zhat Vash wiped out? I don't think they'd be so foolish as to bring their ENTIRE force in on this operation. A hyper-secretive organization doesn't last for so long in already hyper-secretive Romulan society by acting rashly. It was postulated that Cmd. Oh's vessel was the only CREWED ship, the rest, smaller ships, were remotely piloted. Thus not requiring all that much manpower for this operation.
@@STSWB5SG1FAN You're still looking for sense in a series that makes none.
Okay, so mention of Timeship Relativity, Temporal Dreadnought like Paradox class, no mention of Tzenkethi ships with devastating Diffusive Tetryon weapons, command battleships like Concorde class, non federation ships like Iconian Vonph and Iaidon class, Na'Kuhl Tadari and Daemosh timeships, Tholian meshweavers and tarantula class, Borg Unimatrix command ship, Borg Time travel spheres, Na'Kuhl time portals and of course, Vaadwaur juggernaut, Vaadwaur Astika and Manasa Artillery ships?
Conveniently omitted.
I personally liked the design of the Prometheus and am surprised people hate it. Oh well can't please everyone, but given that it has the capability of going warp 9.99 (which is as close to Trans Warp as you're going to get with a conventional warp drive) and is armed to the teeth, I liked it as a true battleship of the Federation that we sadly didn't get to see used after just one episode. But hey that's just my opinion on it.
Approx. 4:40 Sorry, but you're wrong here. That was not a phase cannon, Riker explains in the episode that it is specifically a phase LANCE... a class of phaser weapon normally mounted only on stations due to its power requirements and recoil. Yes, you read that right, recoil. That's why his personal, up gunned Enterprise D had that 3rd warp nacelle: to both power and overcome the recoil of, that massive weapon.
First off, the 3 nacelle Enterprise wasn't built to be kewl. It's what you call a dreadnought. Even in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual (1975) a dreadnought has 3 nacelles with the main difference that the 3rd nacelle was mounted on the aft section of the saucer. One could say that the central nacelle was there to specifically power the Phaser canon on the ventral side.
8:03 SPEEEEEEEN
That pronunciation of Zheng He is spot on.
Uh, the "Enterprise D" that you described was just the Dreadnought. The same way that a retrofitted modern warship can have its class updated, so can Starfleet ships.
Plus, the power of warp depends on the actual shape, composition and number of warp coils. Another nacelle would in fact generate more energy in the warp field. Plasma from the warp core is introduced into the coils and they generate the field around the ship, kind of like electromagnets with electricity.
That TNG episode involving the Douwd & the Husnock was a good morality episode. The Tin Man, real name Gomtuu, was a really good episode. I hope a proper model is made of Picard's Zheng He class eventually instead of the low detail given in the episode.
That episode with the Husnock also showed why it was bullshit that the Enterprise was destroyed by a single bird of prey in Generations.
The rant at the end was warranted
the zhang he was pretty much the avenger from STO
The Douwd destroys the Husnock.
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