Analog wave morphing like wavetable synths? Yes you can, and here's how

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  • @theTerribleFamiliar
    @theTerribleFamiliar 6 років тому +23

    "I'll clear this all up" *snap*
    I just love your content and your style. My favorite synth videos on UA-cam. Thank you.

  • @PerfectCircuit
    @PerfectCircuit 6 років тому +7

    This is a clever patch idea and it sounds great too.

  • @rdean150
    @rdean150 6 років тому +7

    Wow! Between the stunning sliding camera shots and the elegantly morphing waveforms, this was a particularly visually appealing entry, Mr Loopop! Bravo! I was a little concerned that the visual appearance of the morphing waves somewhat overtook the subtle audible shifting it represented, but let's just say that fully appreciating those timbral nuances is an exercise left up to the viewer. :)
    This was really fantastic work. You never cease to impress. And now we finally have a face to the voice! Keep it up, I'm a die-hard fan.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks very much!

  • @glenesis
    @glenesis 2 роки тому

    Thanks! This is the most useful synthesis tutorial video I've ever seen! Have a fantastic weekend bro - cheers!

  • @cornerliston
    @cornerliston 6 років тому +5

    Nice and very pedagogically. In a pure technical point this is “just” morphing mixed waveforms : )

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +2

      I agree it doesn’t work like digital wavetables- the question is - does it do the job sonically? I think so!

    • @cornerliston
      @cornerliston 6 років тому

      Most certainly a very good way to make sounds more vivid and animated. Nicely done.

    • @stevecc64
      @stevecc64 6 років тому +1

      Nice illustration. You could get closer to true wave interpolation by hard syncing the waves to be interpolated / mixed with the same sync clock to ensure phases line up and then you need to think about renormalising after the additive mix. In true interpolation the magnitude of the wave at any point is a strict maximum of the inputs whereas with mixing the maximum is the sum of the maximums of the individual waves. But that’s getting a little pedantic!

  • @i_never_asked_for_an_alias
    @i_never_asked_for_an_alias 4 роки тому

    You definitly kicked it up a notch.

  • @garaughty
    @garaughty 6 років тому

    Without question... you have the absolute best modular synth tutorials on the Tube. Much appreciated !

  • @23jimi
    @23jimi 6 років тому +1

    Best digital sounds I got from analog was the Verbos Harmonic oscillator and WMD sequential matrix. Partials into the matrix, and then outputs back in FMing the osc and AMing different partials. The WMD SSM can be clocked at audio rates so using the square from the osc meant varying AM and FM effects per cycle! Sounded great

    • @schtickkicker
      @schtickkicker 5 років тому

      I would like to hear this. Do you have a recording somewhere?!

  • @fermiLiquidDrinker
    @fermiLiquidDrinker 5 років тому

    I got a similar result with the minilogue. Turning the sync and ring modulator options allows for some really cool wavetable-like sounds

  • @gk5947
    @gk5947 4 роки тому

    Thanks a lot for this video. This helped me understand the math behind wavetables and thus I was able to program my first wavetable oscillator.

  • @BTB88
    @BTB88 3 роки тому

    I love the camera work.

  • @jesset3241
    @jesset3241 6 років тому +1

    Sweet - i have been thinking about ways to achieve this... Looks like another module i'll need to consider. And congrats on getting patreon set up. I signed up right away, and i hope you get lots of subscribers!

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks very much - appreciated!

  • @benjiwill
    @benjiwill 6 років тому +5

    Ooo getting cinematic with that slider camera shot 😉
    Great tutorial as always 👌

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +1

      Thanks! I’m plugging in cables for 10 minutes figured might as well make it dramatic ;)

    • @nikolaperic7694
      @nikolaperic7694 4 роки тому

      wouldnt surprise me if you figured out how to put an lfo to a camera slider!

  • @andrzejolejnik991
    @andrzejolejnik991 6 років тому

    Hey. I understand that Digitakt is not a synthesizer but...You can modulate start point on longer waveforms that was made from connecting few short typical (or not) waveforms in one. Using start/end loop points You can modulate in way You want. As I have mentioned Digitakt is not a synth but has some unusal granular resynthesis benefits.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks! Digitakt is awesome and certainly a synth too in my book...

  • @mike7755
    @mike7755 4 роки тому

    wow, you're a mad genius! I'd love to see you create some music with this patch :)

  • @jonaseggen2230
    @jonaseggen2230 6 років тому

    I am rather new in this world of synths in general and modular in particular.
    To discover this thing with Wavetable LFO's is my best experience with my modules so far.
    My first modular buy was a Mother 32. I later got a second Mum, Mutable instruments Clouds was my first module that needed a case. So not much later I bought the Synthesis Technology E 352. Then this summer I got Mutable instrument Elements, Qu-Bit Contour, and WMD Quad Atten.
    When I started to use the E 352 as two LFOs on Elements, with an LFO from Mother and Envelopes from Contour modulating the E352, I for the first time felt like I was making music with this stuff.
    I used the VCA to control the amount of modulations, and I feed sequence from the Mother, plus a FM modulated VCO with another two step sequence into Elements. The sequences morphed into something else and I had made a semi random melody with a weeping saxophone on top.

  • @lordflatworm
    @lordflatworm 3 роки тому

    you are really the best. Thanks for everything.

  • @OmriCohen-Music
    @OmriCohen-Music 6 років тому

    Oh, I love the 2nd camera! Nice touch :) This was very interesting, and it gave me a few ideas to try out in VCV Rack :) It's not exactly the same concept, I know, but new sound design ideas are always a good thing. Thanks!

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks :) it should I work fine. Is there a module like the a-144 in VCV? If not, Frames can do the job

    • @OmriCohen-Music
      @OmriCohen-Music 6 років тому

      Frames is perfect, yes. But there is also the Octal Router with its morphing capabilities, and also Morph from MSM with up to 8 inputs and also, of course, a cv input for morphing between the sounds.

  • @yodhanhunter
    @yodhanhunter 5 років тому

    Holy crap. This was an amazing tutorial on how to do this.

  • @david.cittadini
    @david.cittadini 3 роки тому

    This was very informative 👍🏻

  • @marcoose777
    @marcoose777 6 років тому

    Did the triangle wave at the end introduce a DC offset, or is something else occurring (09:10) ... or shouldn't the sum of signals in a signal cycle be 0 for a +/- V waveform?

  • @blindianajones
    @blindianajones 4 роки тому

    I imagine this kind of approach with te VCAs could do a morph of a voice to another voice? Creating functionality like the new Polybrute offers with A to B control? Love to see a create your own Polybrute with eurorack video.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  4 роки тому +1

      Check out my review of PolyEnd's Preset - it's like PolyBrute only A goes to the entire alphabet ;)

  • @stuffingpicturmotion7726
    @stuffingpicturmotion7726 5 років тому

    wonderful technique

  • @krism6279
    @krism6279 6 років тому

    I suddenly need to do this with my Benjolin :O and I need to go buy a small oscilloscope, always eschewed them but it seems rather useful now. Need to go check out on that ebook, great idea!

  • @informatimago
    @informatimago 6 років тому +10

    What module do I need for the "clear that up" with a simple finger snap?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +11

      It’s really just a matter of enough infinity stones

    • @nidstyles6301
      @nidstyles6301 4 роки тому

      @@loopop nope, that doesn't work either.

    • @TayTayMakesBeats
      @TayTayMakesBeats 3 роки тому +4

      Not a module but Xanax gives you the power of time travel. Sometimes you've cleared up your patch, sometimes you've created a new patch, sometimes you wake up in jail. It's a bit unpredictable but then again so is modular.

    • @jaaz7835
      @jaaz7835 3 роки тому

      @@TayTayMakesBeats sometimes yo wake up in jail, so very true

  • @dualtrx
    @dualtrx 6 років тому +4

    Nice and very informative. :) Also nice slider camera move there. ;)

  • @vampiresforesl
    @vampiresforesl 3 роки тому

    OR get a Mutable Instruments Frames and program up to 40 mixtures of 4 waveforms to scan or CV through.

  • @InkyDaCaT
    @InkyDaCaT 6 років тому

    THATS A BRILLIANT INFO VIDEO!!!
    THANK YOU!

  • @josephwright5140
    @josephwright5140 6 років тому

    So kinda like a smooth, curved if you will switched multiple but with individual outs?

  •  6 років тому +1

    Nice video! Interesting ideas!

  • @AshBashVids
    @AshBashVids 6 років тому

    A module like Frames can do this, but with keyframing and adjustable levels per keyframe

  • @dklaudio9213
    @dklaudio9213 6 років тому

    THANKS LOOPOP very very inspiring vid, Amazing

  • @treyconnet8181
    @treyconnet8181 6 років тому

    could you achieve a similar effect with something like the WMD Blender? would it just have less 'frames' in the animation when you morph it?

  • @timnordberg7204
    @timnordberg7204 5 років тому

    did you ever do a full A-144MC video?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  5 років тому

      Sort of, in my quadraphonic part 2 video

  • @rgroot1414
    @rgroot1414 6 років тому

    Love your videos, thank you so much for taking the time to add the index on the left!
    Question: What software are you using for the oscilloscope? I'd really like to have something like that as I do my sound design.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks! This time it was VCV scope. Other times MOscilloscope

    • @rgroot1414
      @rgroot1414 6 років тому

      MOscilloscope installed. Perfect, thank you.

  • @WarrenPostma
    @WarrenPostma 6 років тому

    this is again bonkers great. you rock.

  • @stevecc64
    @stevecc64 6 років тому

    Walker @ Makenoise does a great video on how to get complex waveforms from Maths. Definitely worth checking out if you haven’t seen it.

  • @alanc6752
    @alanc6752 5 років тому

    Another ace vid.

  • @LaughingBubba
    @LaughingBubba 6 років тому

    Lovely Vid, thank you Loopop. I don't suppose there's a hardware oscilloscope you could bolt into a EU rack and save you the software overlay?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +1

      Thanks! There is - and I’m telling myself I do it with overlays so that I have flexibility in where to place it, but realistically I’m probably just too cheap to buy it

    • @MmostlyRandom
      @MmostlyRandom 6 років тому +1

      there's a few available. Mordax data and Jones O'Tool are the most popular

  • @greencontact
    @greencontact 6 років тому

    Nice video, thank you! Also interested of the ebook, no possibility to only buy the book? like 10$ and then you are entitled for future upgrades? as not into patreon.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Thanks! I really appreciate it! The problem with selling the book is that the whole point is that it’s going to be constantly updated. Any ideas on how to solve that? Btw I don’t mind if you pop in and out of Patreon every now and then... it’s cool. Open to other ideas on how to keep people posted about updates

  • @mightymike1978
    @mightymike1978 6 років тому

    Hey Loopop, thx for this vid! The scope you use, is it from VCV Rack? Or any other digital oscilloscope? Thank you in advance! best regards Michael

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +1

      Thanks, and Yes, VCV

  • @Quantumspace23
    @Quantumspace23 6 років тому

    Where'd you get the USB cable for your ES-8? The B-Male adapter is the correct angle for the cable to go up and I cannot find one just like that.

    • @Quantumspace23
      @Quantumspace23 6 років тому

      Found it. Startech Type B Right Angle!

  • @wherearewewherearewe
    @wherearewewherearewe 6 років тому

    😳 yeessssss, love it! @loopop is this similar to what happens inside a wave folder?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +2

      Thanks! And no - a wavefolder manipulates one waveform and gradually makes it more complex - this morphs between two or more waveforms

    • @jean-pierrejoubert6140
      @jean-pierrejoubert6140 6 років тому +1

      Thanks for explaining. I was curious about this, too.

  • @samaBR333
    @samaBR333 6 років тому

    awesome tutorial, as always! i didn’t knew that I already have all the tools to make an analog synth wavetable. recently I backed up the WTF Oscillator project on kickstarter to get these results.
    I’m also interested to know how did you make those slider shots. did you got an automated slider?
    thx! keep up n loopop!

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +1

      Thanks! You know it's interesting - using a synced variable width pulse wave oscillator to modulate the A-144 might produce similar results to the WTF! Obviously not as precise as WTF itself - worth a try.
      And yes, got the slider last week - cost an arm and a leg but the things I do to create content :) hopefully it's a welcome addition? Sure makes editing the video more fun...

    • @samaBR333
      @samaBR333 6 років тому

      loopop it’s one of those from edelkrone?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      No it’s a cheaper one that only moves in 2 dimensions not three

  • @cheapnoise9014
    @cheapnoise9014 3 роки тому

    Do you know of a digital wave table, self-contained and portable synth for under 300$US?

  • @thomasbhacker
    @thomasbhacker 4 роки тому

    Just a thought. If you were to add an Intellijel Shifty module to this wavetable style patch, would that allow some non linear variations in the morphing, or would it just sound too chaotic?
    intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/shifty/

  • @WilliWerkel
    @WilliWerkel 6 років тому

    Have you got your rack(s) displayed in modulargrid?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      No sorry

  • @digitaldiezel5870
    @digitaldiezel5870 6 років тому

    Lol you amaze me every time...
    King Loopop!! You keep making my imaginary modular rack bigger and more expensive...damn your clever ways!!! Lol

  • @lenin_party
    @lenin_party 6 років тому +1

    oh no, now i want to drill some holes in my ms-20 mini to get all the waveforms out of it at once

  • @raskolnikov1242
    @raskolnikov1242 6 років тому

    Is the 8vca's module linear?

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +1

      I believe linear but just to make sure please email the company and ask (voicas.audio)

  • @vincentprimault4380
    @vincentprimault4380 2 роки тому

    A simple way with no specific module : 1 EG or LFO, 1 mult, 1 inverter, 2 audio sources, 2 vca and a mixer for a mono result.

  • @pecne
    @pecne 4 роки тому

    Yeah, cool, but nothing beats the good old Cloud Terrarium ( :

  • @MmostlyRandom
    @MmostlyRandom 5 років тому

    we're gonna need a bigger boat :)

  • @lizaney
    @lizaney 6 років тому

    I want you to teach me all of your knowledge

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      It’s actually in the book :)

  • @robertsyrett1992
    @robertsyrett1992 6 років тому +8

    I like wave-shaping too! But I gotta call clickbait on calling it an analog wavetable. Still, I did click. So maybe I should just appreciate the skill of your clickbait game :)

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +2

      I’ll see your comment and raise you a “why not”? Why isn’t this very similar to the results you’d get with a digital Wavetable synth? It isn’t bait if I deliver the goods, no?

    • @sm0hm
      @sm0hm 6 років тому +7

      Wavetable synthesis doesn't equate interpolating ("morphing") between waveforms - that's just a common feature on synthesizers that utilize wavetables for sound generation. Wavetables are just tables of data being played back at audio rate, generating a waveform - hence the name. If you would run an analog sequencer in audio rate you would get closer to what could be described as an analog wavetable synthesizer. That said, morphing between waveforms is very nice, and the video demonstrates this in a great way - but the title can be misleading indeed.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому +2

      True - the question is, does that matter if the Sonic result is similar

    • @orgoneheart
      @orgoneheart 6 років тому +4

      Robert Syrett I don't really see why it is clickbait. My Virus TI works in a similar way, with the waveform morph, Propellerhead Europa is almost the same too. As stated Moog Sub 37 and Sub Phatty also Taurus all morph wave forms.

    • @robertsyrett1992
      @robertsyrett1992 6 років тому +1

      +sm0hm, I was actually expecting some sequencers to be run at audio rates! I should just clarify I think it's clickbait in that it's really impractical to crossfade between as many waveforms are in a typical wavetable and when you get into multidimensional wavetable timbre modulation like the Piston Honda or Shapeshifter, you would need a Junkie XL-sized wall of gear to make something that sounds the same.
      +loopop I think this is a good video, I have no complaints about the sonic results and you could have thrown a wave-folder in there somewhere to simulate a z-axis of wavetables.
      edit: removed typo

  • @RobertMRyder
    @RobertMRyder 6 років тому

    Why hasn't this found its way into a nonmodular synth?

    • @robertsyrett1992
      @robertsyrett1992 6 років тому +1

      Analog wave shaping as described in this video can be found in many non-modular and semi-modular synths. The 0-Coast and Sub-37 come to mind.

  • @sojozentra8062
    @sojozentra8062 6 років тому

    This has nothing to do with wavetable synthesis. You could simply use a wavetable module for spectral morphing content. This is just cross fading between a multi output oscillator.

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      From Wikipedia's definition of Wavetable synthesis: "Digital interpolation between adjacent waveforms allows for dynamic and smooth changes of the timbre of the tone produced." Would love to hear you A-B sound test digital interpolation and cross fade of a multi output oscillator and then determine it sounds "nothing" like each other

    • @sojozentra8062
      @sojozentra8062 6 років тому

      That's like comparing a swiss army knife to a screwdriver and saying there is no difference. Sure you win the argument if we're trying to tighten a screw. A wavetable itself however can go much further beyond just crossfading between waveforms if you use them for more than such. You can replicate real time modulations like AM, FM, PM, spectral maths, and other processes I don't even know the names for. I see the appeal of this video's concept, with wavetables being all popular and all; I just imagined you could have used more than just the A-144's most basic function to rather deliver a satisfying result for the clickbait title. What you have here if anything would be much closer to "Emulating variable waveshape with a multi-output oscillator, here's how".
      From ModularGrid's description of the Doepfer A-144: "Applications: voltage controlled morphing of 4 audio signals in combination with A-135, e.g. morphing between the 4 waveform outputs of an VCO (sawtooth/ rectangle/ triangle/ sine)"

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      hmmm I read the title again "Analog wave morphing like wavetable synths?". Then I read what you quoted out of the A-144 manual. And then I wonder where exactly the click bait is. And of course wavetable synths can do more, that's why I was talking about the morphing part, because analog synths don't need wavetables to create AM, FM or PM. They do need a way to morph though - hence the A144. So I guess I won't get to see an example from you on how analog morphing is "nothing" like digital morphing. Yes, I was talking about the screwdriver part of wavetable synths and I can't see how the title can say it any a clearer way, but I'm always open to suggestions for even clearer titles not to mention non "most basic" uses of the A-144. I think getting your insights into more advanced A144 uses would be a much more interesting use of the comment section than title wording.

    • @sojozentra8062
      @sojozentra8062 6 років тому

      "But I'm open to suggestions for even clearer titles"
      You must have missed the "Emulating variable waveshape with a multi-output oscillator, here's how" bit. It's even structured similar to your title. lmao
      Mentioning wavetables in a video that has absolutely zero content related to wavetables is an obvious mistake that several commenters have pointed out. You're simply holding on to the one misconception that Variable Waveshape-like waveform morphing is the same or has anything to do with wavetable synthesis; and anchoring on the fact that a wavetable crossfading between basic waveforms and a mixer crossfading between basic waveforms have the same sonic result. You are however spreading a misconception in doing so; omitting the intention of having the buzzword "wavetable" in your title to begin with, and then un canning a response those who have noticed it. In the end though, it's your channel and you can do whatever you want. Others who are learning synthesis via the internet will pick up false information and misconception everywhere, not just this video. (They should just go buy a synth and actually figure it out, lol) I of course enjoy most of your content which is usually very well put together, and straight forward. Just this particular one rubs me a bad way, and I along with others have simply tried giving you such feedback. As far as my "insights", well I don't know... That scenario is only limited by ones rig size, and ones imagination right? Hard to really find an example that would mean anything; but if I must provide some kind of response to that, another common thing I noticed from other commenters was the assumption that this video would have utilized wavefolders. I imagined that, along with using phase cancellation on your attenumixer to create "wavetable-like" transformations with a cleaver use of octaves and waveform choice, PWM to AM, etc. Given one had the modules for it, you could have also done everything from PLL, Sync, etc. to retain that all timbral changes would not drift. Perhaps a clock connected to a selector to create timbral morphing via the waveform multiplexer method. The Tubbutech uTune is also a serious breakthrough in the small world of waveform focused synthesis since now you can go beyond just "sync". Now you can have 2 analog oscillators in perfect phase lock with a slight control on phase nudging. This teamed with phase cancellation and amplitude modulation on your attenumixer could have yielded stunning results provided you had the extra module (uTune) in your rig. None of these examples really mean anything though since the possibilities are endless, but note that all of these methods would have presented radical timbral changes within the waveforms single duty cycle assuming things were phase locked and synched properly; thus making it much *closer to wavetable-like synthesis via analog, that can also be modulated in the similar manner of digital wavetables.
      P.S. Sorry i'm blowing this out of proportion and being a #$*@ about this. You sending me a Wiki Definition to shut me up, followed by a challenge to determine the difference of what I already knew has the same sonic result just really knocked me off my rails. Love ya loopop. (-;

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      I can't argue with love man... I think other commenters commented when the title was different (I don't remember what it was...) and were actually quite appeased by the new one as there was silence on the topic until your comment. To the point I don't think it's a misconception - it's just the screwdriver as you called it, and plenty of people have told me they truly were given a new tool with the content of this video - but I think we can just agree to disagree on that. Anyway, can you imagine if I pleased 100% of the people 100% of the time? That would be WAY too much power in one place

  • @templemu
    @templemu 6 років тому

    wht about a video title and content: how to make extraordinary sounds with very little money ??

  • @lThisNameIsTakenl
    @lThisNameIsTakenl 6 років тому

    or just buy serum :/

    • @loopop
      @loopop  6 років тому

      Absolutely - Serum is amazing. This is for people who want to bring Serum-like wave morphing to their analog synths