Wow...I've wrestled with this exact verse how to explain. It's in the middle of a great 'ad hominid absurditus' arguement for The Resurrection of the dead but, without significant historical qualification, it gets misunderstood easily as a sanction for the dead. I put Galatians 2:20 ahead of that verse in a handout and still not comfortable with that.
I posted below, or above, not sure how it will get loaded. I hope you read it. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I sometimes post on videos when the teachings are meant to discredit my faith. I’m not contentious. Not exactly defensive. Just firm in my belief. I want to ask you a question and I want you to think about it it. No pressure to believe. Just understand our point of view. We believe that we are part of a heavenly family, God is our Father, he has his eternal companion. His wife and our heavenly mother who they created us. we are his spirit children on earth given bodies. Christ is our brother and also a son of God. We believe if we go to the temple of the lord, get higher covenants and ordinances done, stay faithful and worthy. We can return home and become Gods and eventually as we learn and grow, create our own worlds, have our own children. If our father had children, would it be logical that he has a father? I can be a father? Many people struggle with this concept, it scares them and angers them. But it’s simply the truth. It is our inheritance. Our father is a God, our brother is a God, we will be resurrected and immortal. What would you call us? What is a immortal being? Think about it.
Isaiah 45:11 I am God and there is none else…… wouldn’t it have been nice if Joesph smith would have read his Bible?I mean. After her “invented” or received his “revelation” he literally tried to join the Methodist church….. I’m. Sorry friend but you’re following a false gospel. A gospel that cannot save…. There is one God three distinct persons… doesn’t it alarm you that the way Joesph smith received his revelation is so familiar to how Muhammad received his? Doesn’t it alarm you that the Bible says that Satan will appear to people as an angel of light? Dear friend I pray you put your faith in Christ alone for you salvation….
@@cole5773 I’m not too concerned for your future. If you believe in Christ, that’s what matters. If you don’t believe Joseph smith was a prophet, then that’s ok too. There is one way to tell if a angel that stands in front of you is real or from darkness. You ask to shake its hand. If the angel is of god it can’t lie, it will not, because it has no body. If the angel is of evil, it will try and shake your hand in deceit and will pass through. I do believe a false angel of light appeared to Mohammad. Joseph had many visitations. Preparing him to receive the plates that were buried over 1600 years. I don’t expect you to have the eyes to see. You can’t help it. Nothing in our church contradicts the Bible. We study both. I am not trying to convince you, it’s obvious you have your heart set. Also you still havnt acknowledged my comment on Godhood. If you are able to stretch your mind a little further you would understand that scripture is meant to remind us how important it is focus on God the father and Jesus. Similar to a jealous husband saying to his wife, there is no other man. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want, make yourself seem grand, intelligent, right about everything. After all your study and learning you can’t see simple truths in front of you. You have heavenly parents. God, your father in heaven His wife, your heavenly mother Your brother Jesus, Gods first born Our heavenly family. Your father is a God Your brother is a God When you are resurrected you will be immortal What do you think that makes you? What do you call someone who is immortal? Put down your ego, think and see with spiritual eyes. What is your inheritance if you are faithful?
This is a interesting attempt to deny baptisms for the dead. I was actually surprised when I saw the video. This preacher does not understand, and it’s ok. Let me pose a question for you. If baptism for the dead is not needed, how do the souls of those who died before learning of Christ get there baptismal covenants made? The Bible is clear that one must be baptized to enter heaven. You think billions of souls perish because of when they were born? What do you think the lords temple is for? Why would the Bible speak of the temples and their ordinances? Christs ordinance’s. It’s not just a Mormon thing. It will also be done in the 3rd temple when it’s built in Jerusalem
Hebrews Denys your claim that you have to be baptized to be saved, I mean all of Hebrews 11 says that those that have faith are justified…… justified means they are just before God. Romans says we are justified by faith alone…. Ephesians says by faith alone, so unless we’re to ignore all the epistles and the gospels we’re going to really have to strain to say justification is brought by baptism. In fact I would say it’s heretical to say that baptism brings justification. However if one does lack understanding Jesus says in John 7 that following him would lead us to truth. Praying that you will come to the truth of justification by faith alone.
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Wow...I've wrestled with this exact verse how to explain.
It's in the middle of a great 'ad hominid absurditus' arguement for The Resurrection of the dead but, without significant historical qualification, it gets misunderstood easily as a sanction for the dead. I put Galatians 2:20 ahead of that verse in a handout and still not comfortable with that.
I posted below, or above, not sure how it will get loaded. I hope you read it. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I sometimes post on videos when the teachings are meant to discredit my faith. I’m not contentious. Not exactly defensive. Just firm in my belief. I want to ask you a question and I want you to think about it it. No pressure to believe. Just understand our point of view. We believe that we are part of a heavenly family, God is our Father, he has his eternal companion. His wife and our heavenly mother who they created us. we are his spirit children on earth given bodies. Christ is our brother and also a son of God. We believe if we go to the temple of the lord, get higher covenants and ordinances done, stay faithful and worthy. We can return home and become Gods and eventually as we learn and grow, create our own worlds, have our own children. If our father had children, would it be logical that he has a father? I can be a father? Many people struggle with this concept, it scares them and angers them. But it’s simply the truth. It is our inheritance. Our father is a God, our brother is a God, we will be resurrected and immortal. What would you call us? What is a immortal being? Think about it.
Isaiah 45:11 I am God and there is none else…… wouldn’t it have been nice if Joesph smith would have read his Bible?I mean. After her “invented” or received his “revelation” he literally tried to join the Methodist church….. I’m. Sorry friend but you’re following a false gospel. A gospel that cannot save…. There is one God three distinct persons… doesn’t it alarm you that the way Joesph smith received his revelation is so familiar to how Muhammad received his? Doesn’t it alarm you that the Bible says that Satan will appear to people as an angel of light? Dear friend I pray you put your faith in Christ alone for you salvation….
@@cole5773 I do trust Christ by Faith in His work alone.
@@cole5773 I’m not too concerned for your future. If you believe in Christ, that’s what matters. If you don’t believe Joseph smith was a prophet, then that’s ok too. There is one way to tell if a angel that stands in front of you is real or from darkness. You ask to shake its hand. If the angel is of god it can’t lie, it will not, because it has no body. If the angel is of evil, it will try and shake your hand in deceit and will pass through. I do believe a false angel of light appeared to Mohammad. Joseph had many visitations. Preparing him to receive the plates that were buried over 1600 years. I don’t expect you to have the eyes to see. You can’t help it. Nothing in our church contradicts the Bible. We study both. I am not trying to convince you, it’s obvious you have your heart set. Also you still havnt acknowledged my comment on Godhood. If you are able to stretch your mind a little further you would understand that scripture is meant to remind us how important it is focus on God the father and Jesus. Similar to a jealous husband saying to his wife, there is no other man. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want, make yourself seem grand, intelligent, right about everything. After all your study and learning you can’t see simple truths in front of you. You have heavenly parents.
God, your father in heaven
His wife, your heavenly mother
Your brother Jesus, Gods first born
Our heavenly family.
Your father is a God
Your brother is a God
When you are resurrected you will be immortal
What do you think that makes you?
What do you call someone who is immortal? Put down your ego, think and see with spiritual eyes. What is your inheritance if you are faithful?
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This is a interesting attempt to deny baptisms for the dead. I was actually surprised when I saw the video. This preacher does not understand, and it’s ok. Let me pose a question for you. If baptism for the dead is not needed, how do the souls of those who died before learning of Christ get there baptismal covenants made? The Bible is clear that one must be baptized to enter heaven. You think billions of souls perish because of when they were born? What do you think the lords temple is for? Why would the Bible speak of the temples and their ordinances? Christs ordinance’s. It’s not just a Mormon thing. It will also be done in the 3rd temple when it’s built in Jerusalem
Hebrews Denys your claim that you have to be baptized to be saved, I mean all of Hebrews 11 says that those that have faith are justified…… justified means they are just before God. Romans says we are justified by faith alone…. Ephesians says by faith alone, so unless we’re to ignore all the epistles and the gospels we’re going to really have to strain to say justification is brought by baptism. In fact I would say it’s heretical to say that baptism brings justification. However if one does lack understanding Jesus says in John 7 that following him would lead us to truth. Praying that you will come to the truth of justification by faith alone.