Although I'm not totally new to all this, I find these videos to be the best at explaining things in a way that even a beginner should understand. Very concise, great explanations (with examples) and not too rushed. You should do some more technical videos. because you're a great teacher. Thanks.
@@splootyvision Great video MIDI series. However, this just merely tip of the iceberg, but will get most of the people working. Saying that, you only have two inputs for audio from the mixer to the audio interface, hence you have to record each individual synth separately into the own audio track and others have to be muted during that session, and rinse and repeat for each synth track. Now, spanner in the works here comes with something like Roland's JV-x080 or any other multi timbral rack module. Each of those rack synths takes more or less full set of 16 MIDI channels, quite hard for DAW-less setup. In that case, you are destined to some other MIDI routing merge/thru unit like MOTU XT or ones you have mentioned, gets expensive pretty quickly. Or daisy chain multiple hardware MIDI controllers with own MIDI channel but not feed back to the THRU merger...penny for through....
Man, you are an audio routing Wizard! I've definitely learned alot from your midi videos. I'm connecting a rc600, mx61, microfreak, 12ch mackie mixer, gtx100 amp, ko2, alesis nitro drums, beatstep pro and I'm looking into some good home studio monitors. I will definitely take a recommendation if you got one. Thanks for simplifying the process.
@@mxdjesusreacts4725 Thanks. From what I’ve heard/read KRK Rokit monitors are a good go to especially for home use. Also Yamaha HS range are supposed to be very good but I believe more for professional studio. All depends on budget really 😉 (tbh I’ve had my Samson monitors for about 15 years and never really felt a need to replace them 🙂)
Hey, love the video! Configuration like these are rarely talked about, from my limited research. I have a similar config for my setup with my mackie 802 as the main board w/ neutron, nymphes, microfreak, and the mpc one. I sorta opted for the tape in to be my interface main outs as it also allows me to quickly sample anything online. As well as the alt out for the mpc one stereo in. Happy with my setup, but just waiting on a patchbay to hotswap pedals and outboard gear!
@splootyvision Excellent stuff, a really great and practical take on things. I'd love to see future videos on powering all the devices, physical cable routing without getting interference and why things are placed in different areas of the room. But either way, fantastic content - thank you!
Nice video. that behringer mixer, which i don't think is currently available, and runs a little hot with a weird power supply, BUT, there is no other mixer at that price(
@@splootyvision ya, haha i was laughing how many L-R mono ch stereo pairs i had on my 1st mackie used mixer, but seriously, except for effects loops, the120x mixer is great. fwiw, the 2442 seems to be the best bang for the buck today and IMO effects loops in mixers are the secret weapon for pedal chains. every input has access to 4 effects chains , 1 of which is the internal effects. Also rackmount size and comes with the rackmount ears. i got a 2nd 2442 vs one large clunky mixer. many sessions only have a couple synths so i only use 1. got the motu m6 so i could have 4 primary ins for the mixers and then the 2 extras for guitar or w/e line source
The possible connections and configurations are well explained, done! But how to program the MIDI itself to trigger this or that device? I mean, since there is no magic here, what next after all the interconnections are completed?
Hi am doing some more videos on setting MIDI Channels, MIDI clock etc which should cover that in more detail. Basically its the MIDI channels that make it all work, with everything set to different channels (done on each synth through its own internal settings). Cheers.
I notice you also have s/w synths (Omnisphere/Keyscape). What are your thoughts around simplifying the hardware and getting s/w versions of your h/w synths ? I have a Korg Wavestate but I did purchase (with a discount) the s/w plugin version. To me, having stuff in s/w makes the routing so much simpler but you do lose the "feel" of physical buttons/knobs and sliders.
@@davidf8749 Hi - yes I do have a fair few soft synths (all the Spectrasonics, Arturia v collection, Korg Collection and some Roland) and tbh they all sound good, but I tend to find I just end up using the presets from them rather than actually designing sounds - for that I prefer the physical controls. That’s why I’ve also steered clear, as such, of most of the big manufacturers hardware, like Roland, Korg etc as I’ve got those sounds covered by the VSTs and a lot of there gear is more or less a soft synths but in a hardware shell. Don’t think I’d ever ditch the hardware, but as you say soft synths have a lot of advantages.
Hi , love these midi videos - but I’m still unsure if and how this would work using midi cables and I’d love a bit of help. I use a Synthstrom deluge to control my access virus Deluge midi out to access virus in and I have a Roland jv1010 I’m using a midi thru from virus to jv1010 midi in but not getting want I wanted to do What I’m trying to do get 8 midi sounds from virus and 8 midi sounds from jv1010 on the one device deluge. Hope this makes sense so I’m trying to get a mixture of 16 midi channels from two hardware devices on my one deluge sequencing them I can get 16 midi virus separately and 16 midi Roland 1010 but I’m not sure how I get a combination of both Deluge only has midi in out Virus has midi in out thru Roland 1010 has midi in out thru I’ve got loads of midi cables and I’ve got a Kenton merge and a thru box but I’m just lost with setting up My audio cables go into tascam model 12 mixer audio if any of this helps I’ll buy you a coffee or a pint id you could offer any help I’d be grateful
Hi - not really familiar with any of that gear, but I think what you might need is something like a 'MIDI Router'. MIDI Solutions do one, but I've also seen recently the 'CME U6 Midi Pro' which is much more affordable and seems to do lots. These boxes allow you to 'filter' the MIDI messages and should allow to do what you want. If I'm correct you should be able to attached the Deluge to said box and then out to your Virus and jv1010. Then using a software editor (that comes free with each of these boxes), you can program the box to filter what messages get sent out the outputs of the box. Using the MIDI solutions as an example it has 1 MIDI in and 2 midi outs (the CME is 3 in 3 out). The Deluge would send all 16 channels into the 'router', You could then program it so that only Channels 1-8 get sent to output 1 and only channels 9-16 get sent to output 2. If the midi in on the Virus is then connected to output one of the 'router box' it will only receive channels 1-8 and the jv1010 connected to the second output only receives 9-16. I'm assuming that the Virus and jv1010 only have the option for say a single midi channel or an omni mode where they receive all 16 channels, but using one of the boxes you should be able to filter/split which midi channels actually get sent to them. Worth reaching out to the manufacturers and asking them as they'll probably be able to confirm whether or not this would indeed solve your issue, but I believe that's the sort of thing you're looking for. Cheers 🙂
Hi thanks so much for taking the time to reply - I’ll look into all that great advice - really appreciate your help - all your videos are really helpful and detailed . ❤ Regardless I can use all your midi knowledge to help me rig up my other synths if I go down the route of one synth one midi channel - thanks again for taking time out of your day to answer ❤️
Shalom I’m Iszy. Love your videos. I’ve got stuck been stuck for years. Okay here we go. I’ve trying to set up my Korg m3 xp which has the FireWire upgrade 6 pin to 8 pin. I’ve got it hooked up to me mid 2012 mac book pro. I’ve got Logic Pro, cubase, Ableton intro 11. Help would be so awesome Shalom Xx
@@imhappy4402 Hi and thanks, what actually is the issue your stuck on ? Tbh no idea on the FireWire but as far as aware the M3 has USB ? If so just connect it to the computer via usb, connect the audio outputs to an audio interface and connect that to the computer via USB. You may have to download the Korg USB Midi driver. Pick a DAW, prob Logic Pro as you’re using a MAC. Set up a midi track with the M3 chosen as input/output and set up an audio track choosing whichever inputs from your audio interface the M3 is connected to. Don’t know if that helps at all. Cheers.
Can you share a link to your midi connection chart? I spent a while building one myself but at implementation I missed the important distinction for Through/Out. I've added two through boxes...most has usb but isn't connected that way to my pc
@@zmmmzmmmz Are you after the actual slides ? (they’re PowerPoint) if ping me a mail on splootyvision@gmail.com I can send over the slide pack. (They’re the ones I used in the ‘Dark Art of MIDI’ video that you can also find on my channel).
@@TedBrownMedia Not quite sure if understood exactly what trying to do. But each midi port/cable can host 16 midi channels, if you had a midi interface you could have 16 channels on one port and 16 on another. Evidently when it comes to triggering stuff there would be some overlap as some gear would be set to the same channel. Does that help ? (must admit I’m no expert when it comes to going beyond the 16 channels, I use 10 channels at the moment to control all my gear - 6 channels for HW synths, 1 channel for vocal effect unit, 1 channel for Drum machine, 1 channel for Guitar VST effects and 1 for a Drum VST)
@@splootyvision if i can ever finish my studio ill show you craziness. I have a similar set up mine is a dawless to daw system. I have all the audio covered but i want to break out and have midi sub groups. I have the midi thru box. A midi combiner? 8 into 2 out which works for my apparatus at the moment. The issue is isolating the MPE controllers to not trigger all 16 channels also connecting several of these things is a headache. How do you share playing with the Roli and keystep pro. You had mentioned you likes using the keystep and keystep together lets start there how do you accomplish this unless your running both as thru? I need to connect 4 midi keyboards yet i want each one to control a sub section terminate the incoming midi data except the clock passed thru
@@TedBrownMedia I have a Keystep Pro going from its midi out to the Keystep 37 midi in with the Keystep Pro clock set to ‘auto’. The Keystep 37 then goes from its MIDI Out to a merge box. The Soft Thru on the KS37 is turned on via the Arturia Midi Control Centre, which means it passes its own signal out but also the signal from the KS Pro (as the MIDI out on the KS37 is now acting as an OUT and a THRU at the same time. The clock on the KS 37 is set to MIDI so it takes its clock from the KS Pro. Keylab 61 and FCB1010 pedal board are also connected to the merge box (4 in / 2 out) which then gets sent to the TR8S. TR8S then has its clock set to Auto and Soft Thru turned on so again the Out port is acting as OUT and THRU at the same time, allowing the signals from the 2 Keystep, the Keylab and the FCB1010 to reach all the other hardware synths. This also means that if the KS Pro is armed the TR8S will take its clock from there, if not it will use its own internal clock and send that to the rest of the Hardware. Also as the KS Pro, which is effectively the start point, has its clock set to AUTO, I can override it with the DAW clock and that then becomes the master clock being sent out and thru to everything. By the sounds of it for your proposed set up what you may need is a merge/thru box with ‘midi filtering’ capability which allows you to filter out channels/cc’s etc. Something like an all singing all dancing mioXL does all that, but you can get cheaper merge/thru boxes with filtering capability. Hope that made a little bit of sense 🙂
@@splootyvision i have the Kensington 8 merge. I am also thinking i may need to finally learn and incorporate a few things on my set up. You need the mjc8 by yamaha they are cheap second hand 60 to 80 bucks 19inch 1 in 8 out thru box from the late 80s. Also at somepoint logic tells me you will have the lag issue daws have. I have such a device its the midronome google it. Master bpm sync. Can slow down or speed up all gear. I guess my laziness has led me to this. How the hell do i sequence 16 devices at once. I have The TR8S, Yamaha RX5 with Ghibli cart and a Syncussion SY-1 for drums. Of course each drum machine has a unique property about them which is why i use them. I am using a ksp which i just understood this month after a few years. I also have a bsp. I want to use all 7 sequencer 2 for drums 5 for poly synths. I have a Blue Arp Dm Mk1 which can control my mono synths. Everything is fed into a artutia audiofuse 16rig and 8pre with a black lion audio revolution exp. I have one synth might be a huge pain in the arse the micromonsta 2 since no keyboard i need its mpe quality
@@splootyvision why auto? What does auto midi mean? Can you also address wtf sysex is and how it corralates. I know a littlebit about sysex. I need a way better grasp on how it works terminating signals messages. I do think i have figured out how to route multiple MPE into a mega multi set up
Although I'm not totally new to all this, I find these videos to be the best at explaining things in a way that even a beginner should understand. Very concise, great explanations (with examples) and not too rushed. You should do some more technical videos. because you're a great teacher. Thanks.
Thanks very much for the kind comments. And Yes, I have many other ideas lined up as these sorts of videos seem to by quite popular 🙂
@@splootyvision Great video MIDI series. However, this just merely tip of the iceberg, but will get most of the people working. Saying that, you only have two inputs for audio from the mixer to the audio interface, hence you have to record each individual synth separately into the own audio track and others have to be muted during that session, and rinse and repeat for each synth track.
Now, spanner in the works here comes with something like Roland's JV-x080 or any other multi timbral rack module. Each of those rack synths takes more or less full set of 16 MIDI channels, quite hard for DAW-less setup. In that case, you are destined to some other MIDI routing merge/thru unit like MOTU XT or ones you have mentioned, gets expensive pretty quickly. Or daisy chain multiple hardware MIDI controllers with own MIDI channel but not feed back to the THRU merger...penny for through....
@@donnied8127 Hi and thanks, and you are definitely right on it being the tip of the iceberg 🙂
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Man, you are an audio routing Wizard! I've definitely learned alot from your midi videos. I'm connecting a rc600, mx61, microfreak, 12ch mackie mixer, gtx100 amp, ko2, alesis nitro drums, beatstep pro and I'm looking into some good home studio monitors. I will definitely take a recommendation if you got one. Thanks for simplifying the process.
@@mxdjesusreacts4725 Thanks. From what I’ve heard/read KRK Rokit monitors are a good go to especially for home use. Also Yamaha HS range are supposed to be very good but I believe more for professional studio. All depends on budget really 😉 (tbh I’ve had my Samson monitors for about 15 years and never really felt a need to replace them 🙂)
Hey, love the video! Configuration like these are rarely talked about, from my limited research. I have a similar config for my setup with my mackie 802 as the main board w/ neutron, nymphes, microfreak, and the mpc one. I sorta opted for the tape in to be my interface main outs as it also allows me to quickly sample anything online. As well as the alt out for the mpc one stereo in. Happy with my setup, but just waiting on a patchbay to hotswap pedals and outboard gear!
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@splootyvision Excellent stuff, a really great and practical take on things. I'd love to see future videos on powering all the devices, physical cable routing without getting interference and why things are placed in different areas of the room. But either way, fantastic content - thank you!
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Nice video. that behringer mixer, which i don't think is currently available, and runs a little hot with a weird power supply, BUT, there is no other mixer at that price(
@@jjrusy7438 Was looking at the 2442 the other day, might be an upgrade in the future as I’m maxed out at the moment 🙂
@@splootyvision ya, haha i was laughing how many L-R mono ch stereo pairs i had on my 1st mackie used mixer, but seriously, except for effects loops, the120x mixer is great. fwiw, the 2442 seems to be the best bang for the buck today and IMO effects loops in mixers are the secret weapon for pedal chains. every input has access to 4 effects chains , 1 of which is the internal effects. Also rackmount size and comes with the rackmount ears. i got a 2nd 2442 vs one large clunky mixer. many sessions only have a couple synths so i only use 1. got the motu m6 so i could have 4 primary ins for the mixers and then the 2 extras for guitar or w/e line source
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The possible connections and configurations are well explained, done! But how to program the MIDI itself to trigger this or that device? I mean, since there is no magic here, what next after all the interconnections are completed?
Hi am doing some more videos on setting MIDI Channels, MIDI clock etc which should cover that in more detail. Basically its the MIDI channels that make it all work, with everything set to different channels (done on each synth through its own internal settings). Cheers.
I notice you also have s/w synths (Omnisphere/Keyscape). What are your thoughts around simplifying the hardware and getting s/w versions of your h/w synths ? I have a Korg Wavestate but I did purchase (with a discount) the s/w plugin version. To me, having stuff in s/w makes the routing so much simpler but you do lose the "feel" of physical buttons/knobs and sliders.
@@davidf8749 Hi - yes I do have a fair few soft synths (all the Spectrasonics, Arturia v collection, Korg Collection and some Roland) and tbh they all sound good, but I tend to find I just end up using the presets from them rather than actually designing sounds - for that I prefer the physical controls. That’s why I’ve also steered clear, as such, of most of the big manufacturers hardware, like Roland, Korg etc as I’ve got those sounds covered by the VSTs and a lot of there gear is more or less a soft synths but in a hardware shell. Don’t think I’d ever ditch the hardware, but as you say soft synths have a lot of advantages.
Hi , love these midi videos - but I’m still unsure if and how this would work using midi cables and I’d love a bit of help.
I use a Synthstrom deluge to control my access virus
Deluge midi out to access virus in and I have a Roland jv1010
I’m using a midi thru from virus to jv1010 midi in but not getting want I wanted to do
What I’m trying to do get 8 midi sounds from virus and 8 midi sounds from jv1010 on the one device deluge.
Hope this makes sense so I’m trying to get a mixture of 16 midi channels from two hardware devices on my one deluge sequencing them
I can get 16 midi virus separately and 16 midi Roland 1010 but I’m not sure how I get a combination of both
Deluge only has midi in out
Virus has midi in out thru
Roland 1010 has midi in out thru
I’ve got loads of midi cables and I’ve got a Kenton merge and a thru box but I’m just lost with setting up
My audio cables go into tascam model 12 mixer audio if any of this helps
I’ll buy you a coffee or a pint id you could offer any help I’d be grateful
Hi - not really familiar with any of that gear, but I think what you might need is something like a 'MIDI Router'. MIDI Solutions do one, but I've also seen recently the 'CME U6 Midi Pro' which is much more affordable and seems to do lots. These boxes allow you to 'filter' the MIDI messages and should allow to do what you want. If I'm correct you should be able to attached the Deluge to said box and then out to your Virus and jv1010. Then using a software editor (that comes free with each of these boxes), you can program the box to filter what messages get sent out the outputs of the box. Using the MIDI solutions as an example it has 1 MIDI in and 2 midi outs (the CME is 3 in 3 out). The Deluge would send all 16 channels into the 'router', You could then program it so that only Channels 1-8 get sent to output 1 and only channels 9-16 get sent to output 2. If the midi in on the Virus is then connected to output one of the 'router box' it will only receive channels 1-8 and the jv1010 connected to the second output only receives 9-16. I'm assuming that the Virus and jv1010 only have the option for say a single midi channel or an omni mode where they receive all 16 channels, but using one of the boxes you should be able to filter/split which midi channels actually get sent to them. Worth reaching out to the manufacturers and asking them as they'll probably be able to confirm whether or not this would indeed solve your issue, but I believe that's the sort of thing you're looking for. Cheers 🙂
Hi thanks so much for taking the time to reply - I’ll look into all that great advice - really appreciate your help - all your videos are really helpful and detailed . ❤
Regardless I can use all your midi knowledge to help me rig up my other synths if I go down the route of one synth one midi channel - thanks again for taking time out of your day to answer ❤️
Shalom I’m Iszy. Love your videos. I’ve got stuck been stuck for years. Okay here we go. I’ve trying to set up my Korg m3 xp which has the FireWire upgrade 6 pin to 8 pin. I’ve got it hooked up to me mid 2012 mac book pro. I’ve got Logic Pro, cubase, Ableton intro 11. Help would be so awesome Shalom Xx
@@imhappy4402 Hi and thanks, what actually is the issue your stuck on ? Tbh no idea on the FireWire but as far as aware the M3 has USB ? If so just connect it to the computer via usb, connect the audio outputs to an audio interface and connect that to the computer via USB. You may have to download the Korg USB Midi driver. Pick a DAW, prob Logic Pro as you’re using a MAC. Set up a midi track with the M3 chosen as input/output and set up an audio track choosing whichever inputs from your audio interface the M3 is connected to. Don’t know if that helps at all. Cheers.
Can you share a link to your midi connection chart? I spent a while building one myself but at implementation I missed the important distinction for Through/Out. I've added two through boxes...most has usb but isn't connected that way to my pc
@@zmmmzmmmz Are you after the actual slides ? (they’re PowerPoint) if ping me a mail on splootyvision@gmail.com I can send over the slide pack. (They’re the ones I used in the ‘Dark Art of MIDI’ video that you can also find on my channel).
How use 5 pin then xlr or jack can use all off then
How do i set up more than 16 midi channels? Or say 2 drum kits at the sametime. Like parallel sequences
@@TedBrownMedia Not quite sure if understood exactly what trying to do. But each midi port/cable can host 16 midi channels, if you had a midi interface you could have 16 channels on one port and 16 on another. Evidently when it comes to triggering stuff there would be some overlap as some gear would be set to the same channel. Does that help ? (must admit I’m no expert when it comes to going beyond the 16 channels, I use 10 channels at the moment to control all my gear - 6 channels for HW synths, 1 channel for vocal effect unit, 1 channel for Drum machine, 1 channel for Guitar VST effects and 1 for a Drum VST)
@@splootyvision if i can ever finish my studio ill show you craziness. I have a similar set up mine is a dawless to daw system. I have all the audio covered but i want to break out and have midi sub groups. I have the midi thru box. A midi combiner? 8 into 2 out which works for my apparatus at the moment. The issue is isolating the MPE controllers to not trigger all 16 channels also connecting several of these things is a headache. How do you share playing with the Roli and keystep pro. You had mentioned you likes using the keystep and keystep together lets start there how do you accomplish this unless your running both as thru? I need to connect 4 midi keyboards yet i want each one to control a sub section terminate the incoming midi data except the clock passed thru
@@TedBrownMedia I have a Keystep Pro going from its midi out to the Keystep 37 midi in with the Keystep Pro clock set to ‘auto’. The Keystep 37 then goes from its MIDI Out to a merge box.
The Soft Thru on the KS37 is turned on via the Arturia Midi Control Centre, which means it passes its own signal out but also the signal from the KS Pro (as the MIDI out on the KS37 is now acting as an OUT and a THRU at the same time.
The clock on the KS 37 is set to MIDI so it takes its clock from the KS Pro.
Keylab 61 and FCB1010 pedal board are also connected to the merge box (4 in / 2 out) which then gets sent to the TR8S.
TR8S then has its clock set to Auto and Soft Thru turned on so again the Out port is acting as OUT and THRU at the same time, allowing the signals from the 2 Keystep, the Keylab and the FCB1010 to reach all the other hardware synths. This also means that if the KS Pro is armed the TR8S will take its clock from there, if not it will use its own internal clock and send that to the rest of the Hardware.
Also as the KS Pro, which is effectively the start point, has its clock set to AUTO, I can override it with the DAW clock and that then becomes the master clock being sent out and thru to everything.
By the sounds of it for your proposed set up what you may need is a merge/thru box with ‘midi filtering’ capability which allows you to filter out channels/cc’s etc. Something like an all singing all dancing mioXL does all that, but you can get cheaper merge/thru boxes with filtering capability. Hope that made a little bit of sense 🙂
@@splootyvision i have the Kensington 8 merge. I am also thinking i may need to finally learn and incorporate a few things on my set up. You need the mjc8 by yamaha they are cheap second hand 60 to 80 bucks 19inch 1 in 8 out thru box from the late 80s. Also at somepoint logic tells me you will have the lag issue daws have. I have such a device its the midronome google it. Master bpm sync. Can slow down or speed up all gear. I guess my laziness has led me to this. How the hell do i sequence 16 devices at once. I have The TR8S, Yamaha RX5 with Ghibli cart and a Syncussion SY-1 for drums. Of course each drum machine has a unique property about them which is why i use them. I am using a ksp which i just understood this month after a few years. I also have a bsp. I want to use all 7 sequencer 2 for drums 5 for poly synths. I have a Blue Arp Dm Mk1 which can control my mono synths. Everything is fed into a artutia audiofuse 16rig and 8pre with a black lion audio revolution exp. I have one synth might be a huge pain in the arse the micromonsta 2 since no keyboard i need its mpe quality
@@splootyvision why auto? What does auto midi mean? Can you also address wtf sysex is and how it corralates. I know a littlebit about sysex. I need a way better grasp on how it works terminating signals messages. I do think i have figured out how to route multiple MPE into a mega multi set up
Can use midi from one device to other device can you do video
Hi, Yes and Yes :-) there's a whole playlist on my channel of MIDI related videos that I've made