Wouldn’t it be nice to have a device that would test all the “circuits” of a cpu? It may need to be specific to a generation or something, but I know I’ve seen devices somewhat or exactly like that being used by the mfg.
This kind of content might not be the most entertaining to watch, but it is among the most educative one. Seeing you go through different steps and methods to diagnose/troubleshoot what is the issue or broken component really is the kind of content that helps the most PC enthusiasts gaining confidence in being able to fix PC's that have issues themselves. Thank you Greg for sharing your experience with all of us.
I've been binging Fix or Flop recently so I'm super glad there's gonna be some new uploads! Also I'm very jealous of your framed Yu-Gi-Oh cards in the background, They look super clean.
Greg, you're definitely my favorite techtuber right now. Fix or Flop is amazing and series like Gear Up or PCDC are so satisfying to watch! They have that "old school" vibe that Linus used to have back in the Scrapyard Wars era (Oh how I miss SYW).
I knew it was a CPU issue when you showed both the CPU and DRAM LEDs being lit. I've seen that issue a couple of times on both AMD and Intel rigs. In my experience, that is indicative of an issue with the CPU's memory controller.
Ah crap. My Unraid server is doing that, but only on the first boot. The CPU is a 3800 XT I picked up locally for 100. It's running in ECO mode, which for this chip basically clocks/volts it similar to a 3700X. I might pick up a 5700G for 165 off Amazon while prices are low. The iGPU is useful for Unraid since it doesn't always hand the GPU back and forth correctly. Plus it SHOULD reduce idle power Or maybe I should wait till the CPU completely fails? I have an ITX gaming PC with a 5600 in it, so I can swap some of the parts, reseat some things and see what the problem is.
I just want to say thank you. I was pretty familiar with PC's. But I recently bought the parts for my first build. Everything went great! However I was at Best Buy for a warranty replacement for a headset. There was a guy that had bought a used PC plus a new 3050 new for $400. I convinced him to return that card and took him to our local microcenter and helped him get a brand new build. His son is now gaming happily. I could have never done this without your videos.
I had a similar issue with a new 12600k recently. The system worked for 2 weeks, but will then crash when booting into windows. Thinking it was a windows issue, I had attempted to reinstall windows, only for the system to post, but half way during windows installation, it will just crash or power cycle a few minutes into the installation process. After visiting the distributor for the motherboard, thinking it was a mobo issue, and spending 2 days testing everything at the distributor's office, we found it was the processor causing the crashing. The cooler was on properly, and I did have the CPU secured with Thermalright's LGA bracket from day one. No overclocking, with XMP enabled. I had RMAed the 12600k to intel, and have since gotten a replacement, which had worked flawlessly so far. I suspect that there was a bad batch/line of LGA1700, which had gone out to consumers. But since I have no other evidence of this (different generation processors in the video and all), and that they replaced it quickly, no harm no foul I guess. Any others out there with a LGA1700 processor that had died the same way?
30 seconds in, this is literally EXACTLY what I've been dealing with for the last week and a half!!! Really looking forward to this video Ryzen5 1600 on a b350 tomahawk. I upgraded it to a 2700x and the failure to post is still continuing. It's completely possible that it doesn't have the proper BIOS update, but I vividly remember bios updating it after 2000 series released, and iirc it should've even come 2000 series compatible. The options i thought I had were to get a new motherboard or try fixing my ram, but I think I may have to try putting a different 1st gen CPU in first.
@@fohseytv The first cpu is the one that doesn't work. The board is from 2017, right before they started putting bios flashes on the IO. There's no display with the 1600, so I can't even get to the BIOS to update. 1st gen is so old now that I couldn't even just buy one off amazon and return after updating, I'll have to spend for a gen1 and go through the hassle of reselling
G'day, 🤔B350 wasn't 2000 Compatible without a BIOS update, B450 came with 2000. Was it Crashing with the 1600 before you put in the 2700X ? Did it ever POST with the 2700X ? Is it now not posting with either 1600 or 2700X ? as it is weird if your 1600 does not work anymore with the only change you made putting in the 2700X
@@shaneeslick I'm thinking either the CPU socket is damaged or he actually managed to electrocute his board. Either way, can't be just a matter of too old bios because there isn't a generation older than the ryzen 1000 series, hence the 1600 should work, which it doesn't.
G'day @@PancakeSerenade AM4 did have Athlon X4 & the A Series APUs before 1000. Yeah I know the 1600 should POST I was just trying to understand the timeline of when POST stopped responding, as I said it not working now even if he did do the BIOS Update is weird because the only CPUs that MSI removed from Compatability for AM4 were the AM4 Athlon X4 & A**** APUs when ZEN 2 was released. Unless you are installing the CPU with a Hammer or adding Thermal Paste like GN Steve a broken socket is unlikely, unlike LGA PGA is so hard to damage the socket even if you pull out the CPU when removing the Cooler it is normally the CPU pins that break. So unlike intel a dead socket is less very rarely the case with AMD before AM5. Next year for me will be my 40th Anniversary of learning to code & 32yrs of Building PCs but in such a fast changing hobby there is always something new to learn. Like Greg I like helping people even if it is to just help understand what went wrong & asking the person questions of what they did I may learn something too.
One thing i feel needs to be mentioned more in these kinds of videos is that oftentimes these kinds of things just happen. No matter how good a company is or how thorough their QC is some parts will always make it to customers and end up failing. The only times when issues like this are a big deal is when its a company being negligent in their production or their customer service when there is an issue.
It would be my guess that the CPU got bent slightly by the motherboard and it isn't making great contact anymore so it isn't working. That's a known issue which is why people make replacement CPU holders to secure the CPU to the socket without bending.
So I added a new CPU Cooler and my pc refused to post, I've been watching this series since season 2, and all I had to do was upgrade the bios which was very weird. It fixed the issue and I had to say thank u for this series and dedication to help other people and showing all the steps.
13:32 I thought we have suppossed to use the edge of the 8 pin cable (heard it somewhere). Good to know that it is ok to use the shorter one. I will change mine later on because yeah it will definetely makes it cleaner💯 Thank You!!
Love these videos, idk much about pc building but watching you build and fix pcs is super interesting. I've been using the same acer laptop since like 2017, It's just barley hanging in there. 8gb of ram and an old hdd, broken screen so I have it plugged into a tv.
Awesome. Love this series. I was getting no post like this and also blue screens as well. XMP was off and it blue screens when i turn it on. IT would randomly blue screen when working all of sudden after 1 year of use. Corsair 3600 mzh just did not agree with the GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS Elite AX. Switched to corsair 3200mzh and instead got 2 dims of 16gb instead of 4 dims of 8gb. Been working like a charm for about 6 months now.
I was hoping that it wasn't the mboard. I guessed that it was PSU or CPU, and with all the lights on CPU seemed most likely. Nice work Greg. And a lovely system.
I had the same issue a couple weeks ago It was working the day prior and the next day, I was casually browsing the web when it suddenly shut off and would not POST. I was getting the two debug LEDs lit and it turned out to be a problem with my CPU as well (5800X3D). I even brought in my CPU to my local Memory Express and they could not find a problem with my CPU physically. Luckily, my CPU was still under warranty and AMD helped replace the CPU, which took around 2 weeks -from the initial RMA request- for me to receive the replacement.
Faulty CPU issues are most tricky. Many times they mislead users into thinking it is board or memory. I too encountered such issues usually RMA both CPU and board just to "start fresh" once I verify other components are good. Good catch!
I build and sell quite a few gaming PC’s. I’ve run into completely incompatible RAM. I’ve got a R5 5600 now that won’t post at all with Ripjaws 3200. I’ve only encountered it with Ryzen, tho, never Intel. It’s rare but it can be a thing. I’ve learned so much from this series, btw. Thanks!
I always use a pin jumper to clear the cmos. this way, I know the connection has been made. removing the battery works too! leave the battery OUT when trying to troubleshoot the board to make sure the cmos is clear....
I used to have weird issues with my old x470. I think it was fried as every so often when booting up it would reset the bios and not turn off fully etc (the lights and fans would still run) it got fixed when I swapped mobos. Anyhoo, another great video!
I have Asrock Mobo and i can relate this case you were facing back then. First you cannot mount the cooler too hard or you will have the 2 debug LED lit up which is CPU and DRAM (Yes, 2 debug LED lit up is very natural for Asrock motherboard). If that's not the issue, you have to try changing the RAM slot each and another until it posted. I've encountered this problem so many times, so I know how to solve it lol (and sorry for the bad English)
Yay, Fix or Frop is back! This one sure was an odd one. This is the first time I've ever seen a defective Intel CPU, never seen one in person. I honestly thought it would be the mobo---ASRock quality is only so-so
I recently built my wife a similar PC, ASRock B560 Steel Legend, the only used part was a 10400 CPU with very little previous use. I had the same issue, same two debug lights, it drive me crazy until I pulled the 11400f out of my machine and it worked. Now I need a new case, I "upgraded" to a 12600kf I had, and a Z690 I got cheap with a tweaked PCIE slot that needed a little TLC. I figured with a better platform, I might as well spring for a 6950 XT, except the case I am using was too small for my Arc 770 LE, no way that chungus 6950 is fitting.
My sister's PC was doing a similar thing recently: both CPU and DRAM LEDs lit out of nowhere and it would refuse to POST, most of the time. (the PC is from 2017, 1st gen Ryzen with a B350 board) Sometimes it actually would boot but only half of the RAM was usable, even though it was all detected in the BIOS. (16 GB total, 8 GB usable) The BIOS could see both sticks perfectly fine but just couldn't use one of them. After troubleshooting for a couple hours, it turns out that the fix was really simple: clean the DDR4 contacts with some alcohol (and those contacts looked spotless beforehand). It has not complained since.
That is why I always triple check board + BIOS + CPU compatibility! I rather spent a few bucks more on a board that I know is compatible no matter which BIOS than hoping the board I bought has the correct BIOS pre-installed. I already had situations where boards had a BIOS version from the factory that didn't even exist on the website.
Would have been nice if the mobo would tell you what their debug LEDs are really indicating in the manual. But was fun to watch the troubleshooting as usual!
Debug LEDs are the equivalent to a "service engine soon" light on a car, they tell you that there is "a" problem, not the severity of the problem or even what the problem is related to. The dual 7 segment LED debug displays are much much better because they at least point you in the right direction, generally they give the exact reason or at least a problem related to the reason.
Probably just bad silicon. My early 12600KF had a weird issue where it would randomly switch my GPU between PCIE x8 and x16 after reboots. Swapped mobo, then GPU, and finally discovered that the CPU was the culprit. Intel replaced it with a newer 12600K (AVX-512 fused off) and it's been fine since then.
Had this happen on a budget build over the weekend. Knew it wasn't the RAM, I knew it wasn't the board and I had just tested the CPU in another system. Somehow, some sort of lint got between the CPU and the socket that I didn't notice. After cleaning it out it booted right up.
I recently had to take out the CMOS batt and redo bios flash to fix and non-start MB when before it was fine only had issues putting another ram in to try ram to see if it was good
I love these videos! Watch enough of them and troubleshooting computers starts to feel like muscle memory. In that vein, I was wondering if you ever tried throwing his dead CPU into another test bench just to validate if it is in fact 100% dead, or just a gremlin for his mobo?
@@GregSalazar omg, my bad! i had already jumped off to your playlist and started watching season 1 of FoF again! :) The little things you miss at the end of video's.... d'oh!
13400F is probably a crap bin of the 13600 die already, may have just been some sketchy silicon that managed to pass validation and run for awhile before some bad circuits caught up with it. It still happens with some small percentage of chips after they heat cycle a bit.
Though I don't have my own gaming PC yet, I have really learned a lot through this playlist, giving me hope that when I get my own gaming PC, I could troubleshoot it in case something goes wrong.
i really wish someone from the Philippines are making these kind of contents.. i am really intrigued to do this but budget is a little tight.. i have knowledge in computer assembly and troubleshooting. i think this is a good content to start with since there are lots of gamers / streamers that making contents in the internet.
Awesome! Great fix! Jaystwocents has started using thermal paste by spreading it with a spatula instead of dab and press. He showed why.....maybe time for a change? I already have been doing that from the start. I think he started because of all the new CPU's that are the size of a cutting board?? LOL
I got same symptoms with one of my old rig and it end badly cuz both of the cpu and motherboard died. My rig was 3 month old and starting to act the exact same way, start to freeze and blue screen randomly then finishing by 3-4 restart to have him work fine then he died. My old Ryzen 7 3800X and Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming motherboard died in the same time, the motherboard was having 2 bios and both of them got corrupted for no reason. I replaced this rig with my actual one who got a upgrade at the start of this year. My Ryzen 7 3700X and MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi never failed yet and i almost killed her doing a bios update that end badly, i'm glad i was able to save my motherboard. I needed this bios update to make my Ryzen 7 5800X3D working, my rig still working fine and i will surely upgrade my gpu. My RTX 2070 Super still a good gpu but i want a less restricted gpu, maybe a RX 7800XT or 7900XT i'm not sure
I started watching some of your videos in this series probably a year ago and I must admit, at first, I was being very judgmental and thinking I knew more than you did. I think I must have been in a bad mood or something, because I don’t feel that way now. Just another lesson for me on trying to stay relaxed, not jumping to conclusions, and being humble. Last thing I want is to become a jerk (permanently anyway). I’ve enjoyed some of these videos. Thx for making them.
Socket 1700 has a tendency to bend CPUs over time. The holding mechanism puts more pressure on the center of the CPU then on the corners. In the beginning you have no problems, but after a few weeks to months the bending gets worse and some pins on the outskirts of the CPU loose contact. Problems with memory detection or no longer booting systems may be a result. Heavy third party CPU coolers and overtightening screws may add to that problems. Intel only tests with their own line of crappy coolers that are not very heavy and have screws that not allow high tightening pressures. If the CPU is already bent there is nothing you can do anymore, it is broken. For that reason I removed the retention mechanism on my new 13th gen system as soon as I got it and installed a third party contact frame.
I good alternative to the steel legend if you want a whiteish MB is the MSI B660M or if AMD B550M mortar. Its not white but its silver and goes very well in white builds.
i had a similar issue recently with my ryzen 5900x, after a case swap it stopped posting in the msi b550 a pro, with the ram and dram lights on, but the system posted just fine with the ryzen 2600 i had laying around. I waant too happy with the mnobo any way so i ordered a different one that matches the theme of my build better and after a bios update the 5900x works like nothing ever happened to it.
Michigan here... had a i7-5930K die over a few days in 2016 right after a few hours of power surging or browning out due to a bad outlet in my house. It was never enough to trip the pc off but I could tell there was an issue by how the lights would act. Back then I would turn off the pc if I was gone at work and one day it just wouldn't post. I never could figure out what went wrong so I bought a new i7-5930K on sale a microcenter and a new MSI X99A Raider motherboard. I wonder if the cpu just got slow cooked by bad power. My son had the same pc set up as me except for the motherboard but his system was hooked up to a UPS and his pc was fine.
I'm wondering if that CPU got zapped with ESD. One of the things I learned about ESD when working in a computer plant was that if you don't take proper care (ESD strap or whatever), sensitive parts can get zapped, be damaged and still test good. But because of the damage they will typically fail within the first 90 days. I see a lot of UA-camrs building PCs and no sign of ESD protection. I've seen the electron microscope pictures of the damage and have zapped enough of my own stuff that while I'm not anal about much, I am about ESD protection.
My motherboard will get 2 debug LEDs lighting up and it won't post sometimes. I have to clear the CMOS battery to fix it. Dram and CPU lights. I also have the same exact case and a white build
Likely memory controller on the CPU. Hence why the CPU and DRAM lights were on (at least that's my guess, because it wasn't the dram channels on the board, but the controller on the CPU. Nice work.
As insanely complicated as the silicon of a CPU is it's amazing they don't fail far more often than they do. Come to think of it I haven't had a CPU fail that wasn't at least 5 years old in at least 15 years.
I'd wipe the cpu underneath with some cloth or q-tip and rubbing alcohol. Might be a skin oil issue and bad contact. Happens over time when people touch the pads with fingers while installing cpus. I've done that multiple times and it did fix that problem. Also check that in another mobo to be sure.
I have a 13700k, some motherboard like my MSI Z690-A will run the SA voltage at 1.50v if you leave it at auto, that will kill the CPU over time. I'm runninbg DDR4-4000 RAM in first gear, so I'm running it at 1.35v. If you're running default RAM speed, you should set that at 1.25v so it doesn't kill the CPU.
Jay2 said 13th and 14th gen cpus installed on current motherboards have limits turned off by default. That could send cpu temps soaring above 100c. Since the cpu worked originally, I would suspect some high temp damage might have happened.
I had this same thing happen to me few weeks back lmao. I did end up ruling out my PSU, GPU and RAM. I also had ASROCK board, x570 steel legend. It also displayed the CPU and RAM lights. After watching this I can pretty safely say my CPU died too. Anyways, this was a good time to upgrade to AM5 anyways. Edit: The only thing that was giving a hint of a possible failure soon was this weird thing, when putting my PC to sleep it would blink the power light once (indicating it was in sleep) and then on the second blink the light would fade out and the PC would be turned off. There were some power related errors after that happens in the event viewer, if my memory isn't failing me.
I'm wondering your thoughts on a particular PSU. I can't find it on the cultist list. It would be the GameMax 850 pro , Japanese capacitors, 10year limited warranty , fully modular
i had the same problem with 11900f almost a year ago. first suspision was about motherboard, then a sent a cpu to the shop where i bought it and they confirmed that cpu was broken. they sent to me a new cpu which was broken too) 1st cpu had problem like in the video - just didn't want to boot at all, debug led showed that it was a problem with cpu&ram&boot or it just freezed after the boot on the main screen. i tried to fixed it for month and a half with swapping pars but nothing helped. second cpu was with broken memory controller - it worked fine when ram was in slots A1 or A2, but didn't want to work when smth was in slots B1 or B2. and i have 4 sticks of ram, so i can't just ignore dual channel and use 1
My bet is in a memory compatibility between the MB and the Memory kit. I had an issue just like that on my personal rig EVGA x299 DARK and Corsair Vengance RBG Pro SL. Although the CPU did support the memory kit (as per Corsair), the MB didn't (yes I know the mem controller is in the cpu, ask Intel and EVGA about that if you will). [edit] The non SL, i.e. Corsair Vengance RBG Pro works just fine on a evga x299, that's how I solve it. Peace and long life! 🖖
I've never seen 2 debug LEDs lit up at the same time before... and have watched every pc fixing video out there. Learning something new every day.
Likewise! Hahah
me neither
@@GregSalazar this was an interesting episode
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a device that would test all the “circuits” of a cpu? It may need to be specific to a generation or something, but I know I’ve seen devices somewhat or exactly like that being used by the mfg.
You've never worked with Gigabyte or AsRock boards then. Lol
This kind of content might not be the most entertaining to watch, but it is among the most educative one.
Seeing you go through different steps and methods to diagnose/troubleshoot what is the issue or broken component really is the kind of content that helps the most PC enthusiasts gaining confidence in being able to fix PC's that have issues themselves.
Thank you Greg for sharing your experience with all of us.
Nothing better than a fix or flop video to start the day
I've been binging Fix or Flop recently so I'm super glad there's gonna be some new uploads! Also I'm very jealous of your framed Yu-Gi-Oh cards in the background, They look super clean.
Thanks for watching!
we were just like duel
Bro please dont ever stop making these kinds of videos. I love your channel.
Keep up the great work Greg!
Greg, you're definitely my favorite techtuber right now. Fix or Flop is amazing and series like Gear Up or PCDC are so satisfying to watch! They have that "old school" vibe that Linus used to have back in the Scrapyard Wars era (Oh how I miss SYW).
I appreciate that!
I knew it was a CPU issue when you showed both the CPU and DRAM LEDs being lit. I've seen that issue a couple of times on both AMD and Intel rigs. In my experience, that is indicative of an issue with the CPU's memory controller.
Ah crap. My Unraid server is doing that, but only on the first boot.
The CPU is a 3800 XT I picked up locally for 100. It's running in ECO mode, which for this chip basically clocks/volts it similar to a 3700X.
I might pick up a 5700G for 165 off Amazon while prices are low. The iGPU is useful for Unraid since it doesn't always hand the GPU back and forth correctly. Plus it SHOULD reduce idle power
Or maybe I should wait till the CPU completely fails?
I have an ITX gaming PC with a 5600 in it, so I can swap some of the parts, reseat some things and see what the problem is.
Just had both debug LEDs on. It was actually one faulty RAM stick. So it doesn't have to be the cpu
I love you. Finally figured out the problem.
this episode is why i love this series, u r doing amazing work greg😊
It's time for the Greg Salazar Magic Touch!
"Dom Plats", Dawid's influence continues to grow!
I just want to say thank you. I was pretty familiar with PC's. But I recently bought the parts for my first build. Everything went great! However I was at Best Buy for a warranty replacement for a headset. There was a guy that had bought a used PC plus a new 3050 new for $400. I convinced him to return that card and took him to our local microcenter and helped him get a brand new build. His son is now gaming happily. I could have never done this without your videos.
I had a similar issue with a new 12600k recently. The system worked for 2 weeks, but will then crash when booting into windows. Thinking it was a windows issue, I had attempted to reinstall windows, only for the system to post, but half way during windows installation, it will just crash or power cycle a few minutes into the installation process.
After visiting the distributor for the motherboard, thinking it was a mobo issue, and spending 2 days testing everything at the distributor's office, we found it was the processor causing the crashing. The cooler was on properly, and I did have the CPU secured with Thermalright's LGA bracket from day one. No overclocking, with XMP enabled.
I had RMAed the 12600k to intel, and have since gotten a replacement, which had worked flawlessly so far.
I suspect that there was a bad batch/line of LGA1700, which had gone out to consumers. But since I have no other evidence of this (different generation processors in the video and all), and that they replaced it quickly, no harm no foul I guess.
Any others out there with a LGA1700 processor that had died the same way?
30 seconds in, this is literally EXACTLY what I've been dealing with for the last week and a half!!! Really looking forward to this video
Ryzen5 1600 on a b350 tomahawk. I upgraded it to a 2700x and the failure to post is still continuing. It's completely possible that it doesn't have the proper BIOS update, but I vividly remember bios updating it after 2000 series released, and iirc it should've even come 2000 series compatible. The options i thought I had were to get a new motherboard or try fixing my ram, but I think I may have to try putting a different 1st gen CPU in first.
Stick in the first cpu and then update to most recent bios, I had to do the same thing for mine when I upgraded to 5000 series from my 3700x.
@@fohseytv The first cpu is the one that doesn't work. The board is from 2017, right before they started putting bios flashes on the IO.
There's no display with the 1600, so I can't even get to the BIOS to update.
1st gen is so old now that I couldn't even just buy one off amazon and return after updating, I'll have to spend for a gen1 and go through the hassle of reselling
G'day, 🤔B350 wasn't 2000 Compatible without a BIOS update, B450 came with 2000.
Was it Crashing with the 1600 before you put in the 2700X ?
Did it ever POST with the 2700X ?
Is it now not posting with either 1600 or 2700X ? as it is weird if your 1600 does not work anymore with the only change you made putting in the 2700X
@@shaneeslick
I'm thinking either the CPU socket is damaged or he actually managed to electrocute his board. Either way, can't be just a matter of too old bios because there isn't a generation older than the ryzen 1000 series, hence the 1600 should work, which it doesn't.
G'day @@PancakeSerenade AM4 did have Athlon X4 & the A Series APUs before 1000.
Yeah I know the 1600 should POST I was just trying to understand the timeline of when POST stopped responding, as I said it not working now even if he did do the BIOS Update is weird because the only CPUs that MSI removed from Compatability for AM4 were the AM4 Athlon X4 & A**** APUs when ZEN 2 was released.
Unless you are installing the CPU with a Hammer or adding Thermal Paste like GN Steve a broken socket is unlikely, unlike LGA PGA is so hard to damage the socket even if you pull out the CPU when removing the Cooler it is normally the CPU pins that break. So unlike intel a dead socket is less very rarely the case with AMD before AM5.
Next year for me will be my 40th Anniversary of learning to code & 32yrs of Building PCs but in such a fast changing hobby there is always something new to learn.
Like Greg I like helping people even if it is to just help understand what went wrong & asking the person questions of what they did I may learn something too.
One thing i feel needs to be mentioned more in these kinds of videos is that oftentimes these kinds of things just happen. No matter how good a company is or how thorough their QC is some parts will always make it to customers and end up failing. The only times when issues like this are a big deal is when its a company being negligent in their production or their customer service when there is an issue.
It would be my guess that the CPU got bent slightly by the motherboard and it isn't making great contact anymore so it isn't working. That's a known issue which is why people make replacement CPU holders to secure the CPU to the socket without bending.
Definitely a funky one. Glad you got ahold of it...made a great vid!
So I added a new CPU Cooler and my pc refused to post, I've been watching this series since season 2, and all I had to do was upgrade the bios which was very weird. It fixed the issue and I had to say thank u for this series and dedication to help other people and showing all the steps.
13:32 I thought we have suppossed to use the edge of the 8 pin cable (heard it somewhere).
Good to know that it is ok to use the shorter one. I will change mine later on because yeah it will definetely makes it cleaner💯
Thank You!!
I can't begin to explain how much I enjoy watching these videos and trying to stay one step ahead of you in the problem solving or issue at hand! 👍👍
Dead CPU, a classic of this series...good job, Greg.
Though it's uncommon for it to be an Intel CPU.
@@Sup_D Was going to say... its not a 3000 series Ryzen for once
Always looking forward to your videos and learning with you 💯
Greg, an amazing video as always - greetings from Australia at 5.18am, need my geek Salazar fix before heading off to work.
You da man Greg, helping out so many people
This is my main channel right now, love these videos and learning smth everyday.
man fix or flop is one my favourite series i love it keep going brother
Another happy outcome. Nice troubleshooting.
Love these videos, idk much about pc building but watching you build and fix pcs is super interesting. I've been using the same acer laptop since like 2017, It's just barley hanging in there. 8gb of ram and an old hdd, broken screen so I have it plugged into a tv.
It did come up with the logo on the screen - you didn't see it? Not sure that was the P.O.S.T though. 3:00 "Z-Edge (whatever that is referring to?).
Awesome. Love this series. I was getting no post like this and also blue screens as well. XMP was off and it blue screens when i turn it on. IT would randomly blue screen when working all of sudden after 1 year of use. Corsair 3600 mzh just did not agree with the GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS Elite AX. Switched to corsair 3200mzh and instead got 2 dims of 16gb instead of 4 dims of 8gb. Been working like a charm for about 6 months now.
I was hoping that it wasn't the mboard. I guessed that it was PSU or CPU, and with all the lights on CPU seemed most likely. Nice work Greg. And a lovely system.
I had the same issue a couple weeks ago It was working the day prior and the next day, I was casually browsing the web when it suddenly shut off and would not POST. I was getting the two debug LEDs lit and it turned out to be a problem with my CPU as well (5800X3D). I even brought in my CPU to my local Memory Express and they could not find a problem with my CPU physically. Luckily, my CPU was still under warranty and AMD helped replace the CPU, which took around 2 weeks -from the initial RMA request- for me to receive the replacement.
Faulty CPU issues are most tricky. Many times they mislead users into thinking it is board or memory. I too encountered such issues usually RMA both CPU and board just to "start fresh" once I verify other components are good. Good catch!
Nice looking rig, glad Greg was able to fix it up. Black & white cable extensions, maybe a white exhaust fan 👌.
I build and sell quite a few gaming PC’s. I’ve run into completely incompatible RAM. I’ve got a R5 5600 now that won’t post at all with Ripjaws 3200. I’ve only encountered it with Ryzen, tho, never Intel. It’s rare but it can be a thing. I’ve learned so much from this series, btw. Thanks!
always great when i see a new fix or flop
I always use a pin jumper to clear the cmos. this way, I know the connection has been made. removing the battery works too! leave the battery OUT when trying to troubleshoot the board to make sure the cmos is clear....
Awesome job Greg!
You da man Greg, happy Tuesday
I do that daisy chain thing all the time, it looks much nicer when zip tied back to the cable
Yup, this seems to be an early "find" of the 13th/14th gen over voltage issue, seeing as it worked initially.
Nice haircut Greg, love it!
I used to have weird issues with my old x470. I think it was fried as every so often when booting up it would reset the bios and not turn off fully etc (the lights and fans would still run) it got fixed when I swapped mobos. Anyhoo, another great video!
I have Asrock Mobo and i can relate this case you were facing back then. First you cannot mount the cooler too hard or you will have the 2 debug LED lit up which is CPU and DRAM (Yes, 2 debug LED lit up is very natural for Asrock motherboard). If that's not the issue, you have to try changing the RAM slot each and another until it posted. I've encountered this problem so many times, so I know how to solve it lol (and sorry for the bad English)
Man you really know when am about to eat. Great video as always
Yay, Fix or Frop is back! This one sure was an odd one. This is the first time I've ever seen a defective Intel CPU, never seen one in person. I honestly thought it would be the mobo---ASRock quality is only so-so
I recently built my wife a similar PC, ASRock B560 Steel Legend, the only used part was a 10400 CPU with very little previous use. I had the same issue, same two debug lights, it drive me crazy until I pulled the 11400f out of my machine and it worked.
Now I need a new case, I "upgraded" to a 12600kf I had, and a Z690 I got cheap with a tweaked PCIE slot that needed a little TLC. I figured with a better platform, I might as well spring for a 6950 XT, except the case I am using was too small for my Arc 770 LE, no way that chungus 6950 is fitting.
Looking sharp Greg!
My sister's PC was doing a similar thing recently: both CPU and DRAM LEDs lit out of nowhere and it would refuse to POST, most of the time. (the PC is from 2017, 1st gen Ryzen with a B350 board) Sometimes it actually would boot but only half of the RAM was usable, even though it was all detected in the BIOS. (16 GB total, 8 GB usable) The BIOS could see both sticks perfectly fine but just couldn't use one of them. After troubleshooting for a couple hours, it turns out that the fix was really simple: clean the DDR4 contacts with some alcohol (and those contacts looked spotless beforehand). It has not complained since.
That is why I always triple check board + BIOS + CPU compatibility! I rather spent a few bucks more on a board that I know is compatible no matter which BIOS than hoping the board I bought has the correct BIOS pre-installed. I already had situations where boards had a BIOS version from the factory that didn't even exist on the website.
It wasn’t a bios or motherboard compatibility issue, the cpu just died unexpectedly
Would have been nice if the mobo would tell you what their debug LEDs are really indicating in the manual. But was fun to watch the troubleshooting as usual!
Debug LEDs are the equivalent to a "service engine soon" light on a car, they tell you that there is "a" problem, not the severity of the problem or even what the problem is related to. The dual 7 segment LED debug displays are much much better because they at least point you in the right direction, generally they give the exact reason or at least a problem related to the reason.
A friend of mine has the same issue as this viewer, I'm going to refer him to this video and hopefully it will help him.
I would have also checked the voltages being sent to the cpu. I would worry over agressive settings there caused the 13400f to die early.
Probably just bad silicon. My early 12600KF had a weird issue where it would randomly switch my GPU between PCIE x8 and x16 after reboots. Swapped mobo, then GPU, and finally discovered that the CPU was the culprit. Intel replaced it with a newer 12600K (AVX-512 fused off) and it's been fine since then.
Had this happen on a budget build over the weekend. Knew it wasn't the RAM, I knew it wasn't the board and I had just tested the CPU in another system. Somehow, some sort of lint got between the CPU and the socket that I didn't notice. After cleaning it out it booted right up.
Nice work Greg. Your videos are always top notch.
I recently had to take out the CMOS batt and redo bios flash to fix and non-start MB when before it was fine only had issues putting another ram in to try ram to see if it was good
nice touch with the pc components!!!!
I love these videos! Watch enough of them and troubleshooting computers starts to feel like muscle memory.
In that vein, I was wondering if you ever tried throwing his dead CPU into another test bench just to validate if it is in fact 100% dead, or just a gremlin for his mobo?
We literally discussed this at the end of the video - footage will be uploaded to Patreon soon.
@@GregSalazar omg, my bad! i had already jumped off to your playlist and started watching season 1 of FoF again! :) The little things you miss at the end of video's.... d'oh!
great work Greg...
13400F is probably a crap bin of the 13600 die already, may have just been some sketchy silicon that managed to pass validation and run for awhile before some bad circuits caught up with it. It still happens with some small percentage of chips after they heat cycle a bit.
Though I don't have my own gaming PC yet, I have really learned a lot through this playlist, giving me hope that when I get my own gaming PC, I could troubleshoot it in case something goes wrong.
Solid troubleshooting. Good job.
i really wish someone from the Philippines are making these kind of contents.. i am really intrigued to do this but budget is a little tight.. i have knowledge in computer assembly and troubleshooting. i think this is a good content to start with since there are lots of gamers / streamers that making contents in the internet.
Awesome! Great fix! Jaystwocents has started using thermal paste by spreading it with a spatula instead of dab and press. He showed why.....maybe time for a change? I already have been doing that from the start. I think he started because of all the new CPU's that are the size of a cutting board?? LOL
Doesn’t change hardly anything in our testing. Our dab pattern provides ample coverage.
I got same symptoms with one of my old rig and it end badly cuz both of the cpu and motherboard died. My rig was 3 month old and starting to act the exact same way, start to freeze and blue screen randomly then finishing by 3-4 restart to have him work fine then he died. My old Ryzen 7 3800X and Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming motherboard died in the same time, the motherboard was having 2 bios and both of them got corrupted for no reason. I replaced this rig with my actual one who got a upgrade at the start of this year. My Ryzen 7 3700X and MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi never failed yet and i almost killed her doing a bios update that end badly, i'm glad i was able to save my motherboard. I needed this bios update to make my Ryzen 7 5800X3D working, my rig still working fine and i will surely upgrade my gpu. My RTX 2070 Super still a good gpu but i want a less restricted gpu, maybe a RX 7800XT or 7900XT i'm not sure
The only thing that PC needs is some Cable extensions and it would look sick! Great vid as always Greg, I enjoy these while eating after the gym
Great content, I suspect. Watching now. All my best, Sir.
Great breakdown of your process.
nice cut, btw.
Debug LED helped in a big way.
I started watching some of your videos in this series probably a year ago and I must admit, at first, I was being very judgmental and thinking I knew more than you did. I think I must have been in a bad mood or something, because I don’t feel that way now. Just another lesson for me on trying to stay relaxed, not jumping to conclusions, and being humble. Last thing I want is to become a jerk (permanently anyway). I’ve enjoyed some of these videos. Thx for making them.
How's the house coming along kid. Love you. God bless you and the family.
Nice haircut Greg! You look pretty neat in that!
Socket 1700 has a tendency to bend CPUs over time. The holding mechanism puts more pressure on the center of the CPU then on the corners.
In the beginning you have no problems, but after a few weeks to months the bending gets worse and some pins on the outskirts of the CPU loose contact. Problems with memory detection or no longer booting systems may be a result.
Heavy third party CPU coolers and overtightening screws may add to that problems. Intel only tests with their own line of crappy coolers that are not very heavy and have screws that not allow high tightening pressures.
If the CPU is already bent there is nothing you can do anymore, it is broken.
For that reason I removed the retention mechanism on my new 13th gen system as soon as I got it and installed a third party contact frame.
I good alternative to the steel legend if you want a whiteish MB is the MSI B660M or if AMD B550M mortar. Its not white but its silver and goes very well in white builds.
The way greg looked when he found the problem 😂😂😂😂 SUP GREG!!!!
i had a similar issue recently with my ryzen 5900x, after a case swap it stopped posting in the msi b550 a pro, with the ram and dram lights on, but the system posted just fine with the ryzen 2600 i had laying around. I waant too happy with the mnobo any way so i ordered a different one that matches the theme of my build better and after a bios update the 5900x works like nothing ever happened to it.
Michigan here... had a i7-5930K die over a few days in 2016 right after a few hours of power surging or browning out due to a bad outlet in my house. It was never enough to trip the pc off but I could tell there was an issue by how the lights would act. Back then I would turn off the pc if I was gone at work and one day it just wouldn't post. I never could figure out what went wrong so I bought a new i7-5930K on sale a microcenter and a new MSI X99A Raider motherboard. I wonder if the cpu just got slow cooked by bad power. My son had the same pc set up as me except for the motherboard but his system was hooked up to a UPS and his pc was fine.
Great video as always! Thanks for doing this for others.
Nice job on this fix.
Thanks!
Great Troubleshooting to Isolate the 'Defective Component'!
I'm wondering if that CPU got zapped with ESD. One of the things I learned about ESD when working in a computer plant was that if you don't take proper care (ESD strap or whatever), sensitive parts can get zapped, be damaged and still test good. But because of the damage they will typically fail within the first 90 days. I see a lot of UA-camrs building PCs and no sign of ESD protection. I've seen the electron microscope pictures of the damage and have zapped enough of my own stuff that while I'm not anal about much, I am about ESD protection.
I remember a similar case in a season before wherein the CPU had a smudge which hindered it from posting.
Nice upgrade, Greg.
My motherboard will get 2 debug LEDs lighting up and it won't post sometimes. I have to clear the CMOS battery to fix it. Dram and CPU lights. I also have the same exact case and a white build
Such a nice build.... Thumbs up to the user
Likely memory controller on the CPU. Hence why the CPU and DRAM lights were on (at least that's my guess, because it wasn't the dram channels on the board, but the controller on the CPU. Nice work.
As insanely complicated as the silicon of a CPU is it's amazing they don't fail far more often than they do. Come to think of it I haven't had a CPU fail that wasn't at least 5 years old in at least 15 years.
I'd wipe the cpu underneath with some cloth or q-tip and rubbing alcohol. Might be a skin oil issue and bad contact. Happens over time when people touch the pads with fingers while installing cpus. I've done that multiple times and it did fix that problem. Also check that in another mobo to be sure.
Great video.
Btw what monitor are you using? I know you mentioned it in the past but I forget.
Cpu/Dram light on usually is a dead memory controller in the CPU, if it isn't the cpu or bios, it's the motherboard
I have a 13700k, some motherboard like my MSI Z690-A will run the SA voltage at 1.50v if you leave it at auto, that will kill the CPU over time. I'm runninbg DDR4-4000 RAM in first gear, so I'm running it at 1.35v. If you're running default RAM speed, you should set that at 1.25v so it doesn't kill the CPU.
Jay2 said 13th and 14th gen cpus installed on current motherboards have limits turned off by default. That could send cpu temps soaring above 100c. Since the cpu worked originally, I would suspect some high temp damage might have happened.
Love seeing the Corsair 4000/5000 cases
I had this same thing happen to me few weeks back lmao. I did end up ruling out my PSU, GPU and RAM. I also had ASROCK board, x570 steel legend. It also displayed the CPU and RAM lights. After watching this I can pretty safely say my CPU died too. Anyways, this was a good time to upgrade to AM5 anyways.
Edit: The only thing that was giving a hint of a possible failure soon was this weird thing, when putting my PC to sleep it would blink the power light once (indicating it was in sleep) and then on the second blink the light would fade out and the PC would be turned off. There were some power related errors after that happens in the event viewer, if my memory isn't failing me.
been waiting for this
I'm wondering your thoughts on a particular PSU. I can't find it on the cultist list. It would be the GameMax 850 pro , Japanese capacitors, 10year limited warranty , fully modular
Had the EXACT same problem with a 7600x AM5 build.... New platform issues
ive also never seen double lights on a board but 13th gen cpus and 14th gen cpus are known to break due to oxidation
Easy fix, love those easy fixes
i had the same problem with 11900f almost a year ago. first suspision was about motherboard, then a sent a cpu to the shop where i bought it and they confirmed that cpu was broken. they sent to me a new cpu which was broken too) 1st cpu had problem like in the video - just didn't want to boot at all, debug led showed that it was a problem with cpu&ram&boot or it just freezed after the boot on the main screen. i tried to fixed it for month and a half with swapping pars but nothing helped. second cpu was with broken memory controller - it worked fine when ram was in slots A1 or A2, but didn't want to work when smth was in slots B1 or B2. and i have 4 sticks of ram, so i can't just ignore dual channel and use 1
My bet is in a memory compatibility between the MB and the Memory kit. I had an issue just like that on my personal rig EVGA x299 DARK and Corsair Vengance RBG Pro SL.
Although the CPU did support the memory kit (as per Corsair), the MB didn't (yes I know the mem controller is in the cpu, ask Intel and EVGA about that if you will).
[edit] The non SL, i.e. Corsair Vengance RBG Pro works just fine on a evga x299, that's how I solve it.
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