Bob Ezrin on working with Peter Gabriel, his fallout with Roger Waters and more
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2023
- CHOM 97 7's Randy Renaud caught up with legendary Canadian music producer Bob Ezrin. He talked about raising money alongside U2's The Edge for Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, working with Peter Gabriel on Solsbury Hill, his fallout with Roger Waters and more.
Used to listen to RR 25 to 30 years ago or more on CHOM. Didn't realize he was still around, he sounds exactly the same. For what Bob Ezrin accomplished on The Wall, I am eternally grateful.
Bob is legend. Great interview.
Peter Gabriel’s debut album is fantastic. It’s a snapshot of Peter’s search for identity at the time with a wide range of styles. Each song stands on its own contributing to a great experience for the entire album. Peters perfectionist tinkering (on all his albums) is what a good producer doesn’t tolerate. Good for Bob for drawing the line in the sand.
You are right.....but his third solo Album was the masterpiece
You’re absolutely right. I’ll never forget when released in 1980 great anticipation already written in music rags for weeks. We were blown away by its cutting edge sound, prowler proto punk songs/lryics that cast Gabriel into his avant-garde legend, an obvious line that went directly back to Rael. The track order is perfect beginning to end…and the melt album cover is still one of the best in rock history. All that being said, Ive always played each album (up to Us) in whichever mood I’m in.
Yeah there was a lot of trial and error which ends up with the highs (Solsbury Hill, Modern Love, Slowburn) and the weird stuff like Excuse Me.
Ezrins work in the studio is stunning. I do not know how else to put it.
This was a great interview. Bob Ezrin has quite a story to tell.
Brilliant interview, what a storied producer life of this living legend.
Great interview! Thanks a lot. Some people aged like fine wine. My compliments to Bob for his excellent work with Alice Cooper, Kiss, Pink Floyd, etc. Just can't imagine how the world of music will look like without him.
Great interview. Always nice to listen to someone with character. Like Bob.
I’m a huge fan of Bob’s work. Very interesting interview. I’m also a huge fan of Floyd. I am puzzled how the discussion digressed to inferring Roger Waters is an antisemite. Bob was correct in stating the policies of the government of Israel are troubling. That’s what Roger states. Roger also denounced the violence committed by Hamas and others. Is Roger antisemitism solely because he supports BDS? I’m sorry but antisemitism is well defined and the Jewish population cannot redefine it to fit their needs. Criticizing the policies of the Israeli government is in no way speaking against the Jewish people or the practice of Judaism. Roger advocates for human rights for all, including Jews! He may not be a likable guy but that is a completely different discussion.
Israel is an apartheid state.
With Rogers behaviour It goes beyond what you've described. He's been making fun of Jewish people in his tour crew etc. for years and years, and that is why people around him think he has something against Jews as people.
Maybe he thinks Jews should do more to end the state of apartheid that is the Jewish state of Israel. @@Paisley194
@Frip36
Well, we can only speculate what he might be thinking. No matter what, the man has a tendency to be an enormous dick. 💁♂️
Roger as you say "makes fun of" religion. Just because you are offended doesn't mean he is antisemitic.
Great interview. Bob seems like a genuine, down-to-earth world class producer. lf his only output was 'Under My Wheels' and 'Solsbury Hill' l would tip my cap to him.
Probably one of the top 5 producers of all time.
Great to hear some Jack Richardson love. He was my production teacher in college and I learned a ton from him, as well as got to listen to the master tapes of the Guess Who and get the skinny on Cooper records.
I have always wanted to work with Bob Ezrin!! I love his body of work.
Same here! I loved his work on so many Lps...and especially "I Can't Look Away" by Trevor Rabin (ex-Yes).
Great interview with Toronto Bob Ezrin Randy. I love the story of how he wound up producing Peter Gabriel and Lou Reed. Berlin is probably my fav Bob Ezrin production other than Love It To Death and Billion Dollar Babies. Although Gabriel's first record was great, his 2nd produced by Robert Fripp is my fav Gabriel solo record.
i love ezrin's work "billion dollar babies", "destroyer", "berlin", gabriel's first album, "the wall", "the division bell" (an underrated album), and his sequencing work on nine inch nails' "the fragile" as i thought that was really helpful and we NIN fans appreciate him.
I saw the name "Toronto Bob" on my beloved Love it to Death album back in the 70s, and as a Canadian my ears perked up. This country has been blessed to have mega-producers like Jack, Bob ... and Daniel Lanois. Three of the best to ever do it. And the new generation like 40 are obviously making their mark.
Great interview, and Bob's discuss of Waters' views on Israel and Ukraine were measured and accurate. No, Roger doesn't get to decide what anti-Semitism is.
Really excellent and insightful interview with an intelligent human being.
... this guy is growing on me. He seems philisophical about his own existence, which makes him relateable and likeable.
Hamilton Ontario was 2 years prior to the Montreal show and was also the last show of the 1975 N American tour
Bob Ezrin is a brilliant producer : listen to the record ' Berlin ' from Lou Reed.
It is incredible what he made of those songs.
Brilliant recordings , brilliant musicians , brilliant compositions.
For me the best record I have ever heard ( with R&R Animal )
Great interview - it explains Waters behaviour.
Очень продуктивный специалист, спасибо Боб❤
Bob is so likable.
When I grow up i wanna be Bob Ezrin 😀
Also Berlin by Lou Reed. Great work
Great interview. I just wouldn't place that mic not in front of my face.
He also worked on the 1st album by JOHN WAITE and the BABY'S
I once thought it would be really cool to go to a Halloween costume party dressed up as one of those brown uniform guys from the Wall, including the crossed hammers armband. But obviously, these are now very different times.
Two sides to every story, the truth is usually in the middle.
Was that true in WW2?
But not always ... the way Bob Ezrin distinguishes the approaches of Gilmore and Waters says a lot. For years now, Roger has come across as an extremely self-centred and bitter individual.
@@thelawman4684agreed, and Roger sacrificed Pink Floyd musical democracy to suite his own ends. I don't have blinders over Waters, unlike many.
@@jacksonhunkle2444 Perhaps you need to learn the definition of the word "usually" or how it's used in context. Do you have a brain you use ?
That is one of my least favorite expressions of all time. Sometimes the truth is actually on one side or the other.
Bob's disdain for Al is really part of a pattern in music. Everybody gets Moogs and Arps. Then fans and bands get bored with synths. The B3's and Fender Rhodes come back out. Then there's drum machines. All the rage for a while, especially linked with synths. Then that becomes passe. lt's a fact that a bunch of pickers with various acoustic instruments and their own voices on somebody's front porch will always be as cool, for me, as a rock band in a stadium with a gazillion watt PA.
ARP/Solina and in Styx's case also had Oberheim and Dennis DeYoung had a Solina String Ensemble plus by 1977 Oberheim synthesizers (4 voice then an 8 voice then an OB-X and an OB-Xa and then an OB-8 which he still uses on albums), a Roland Jupiter (in 1983) and a Hammond Organ (later a Korg organ on Kilroy), a Fender Rhodes (as of 1979 with an Oberheim OB-Xa on top for Why Me, Lights, Snowblind, Too Much Time on My Hands and used the Rhodes as well on Babe and Don't Let it End) and a Yamaha baby grand piano which he gutted and had an electric keyboard installed for the Return to Paradise 1996 Styx comeback and used until his ouster in 1999.
So what's the storyline here? If you have thousands of dollars of instruments you can sound good? 😂
@@bardsamok9221 Not my storyline. Write a good song, pull it off on an acoustic guitar/piano/harmonica, you are golden.
Defending oneself against the calumny of being falsely labeled "antisemitic", as Roger has had to do, is not the same as attempting to define what antisemitism is or how others ought to feel in the way Ezrin implies here, much less taking anyone "down as a people."
Because David Gilmour and Polly Samson serve tea they’re wonderful people 🙄
Even Gilmour has stated he thinks he is an antisemite. But certainly it should be up to jews to make that statement and there are more than a few that have worked with him that have. I am sure Hitler didn't think he was antisemite too.
Today is the 9th of October only 2 days after the Hamas barbaric slaughter of over 1000 civilian men. women, elderly and children. Some entire families were burned alive in their shelters. This is what Rogers has been defending and this is what his legacy will be. No excuse for it.
Roger's view on politics and the world can easily be understood by listening to his music and its meaning must be considered before taking words in an interview out of context.
By measure of life work. Roger is one on the greatest humanitarians in history. His observations are factual and precise. That's a fact. But his opinions and solutions are his own.
To imply that Roger is antiemetic is a horrible lie and injustice not just to Roger, but generations of listeners he's educated about injustice, oppression, greed and religious dogma.
Like Bob I'm from a Jewish origin, Belarus in my case, old Pale of Settlement and I don't think he is anti-Semitic. He is very clearly anti zionist. Even Jews know theres a difference.
@@CommissarBooks Sorry there is no difference. You did not work with Rogers they did. They have first hand experience in his case. To single out the ONLY Jewish state in the world and claim you are anti Zionist and not antisemitic is only an excuse to escape the racist label.
I suppose you also condone Hamas for the Oct 7 massacres and call Hamas anti Zionist as well. Congrats for being another convenient jew for the Hamas cause. That blood is on the hands of people like you and Rogers.
Ezrin is groovy.
Oh yes, maybe he doesn't like to repeat it, but the original line from Peter was going to be "make your life a taxi not a tomb". I don't say that to embarass Peter, its good for people to know that songwriting doesn't just come down from on high.
Thats actually more 'Gabriel like' a line though, it sort of kind of makes a deep sense but can mean a number of different things.
Moribund the burgermeister is still my favourite song on the album. The barbershop idea though was pretty brilliantly insane. I will still listen to Peters first four albums far more than So or Us.
Actually, some songs really write themselves, having had the experience, I would have to say it felt like it came from down from on high when it happened. One of my best songs happened like that.
It's nice to hear someone close to Roger call him out on his behavior. We live in times where people downplay and cover up the truth. I used to be a huge fan of Rodger, but now it just makes me sick to think I fed money to his arrogance, ignorance and frankly, evil.
Agree with OP. It's unfortunate
Hahaha, @32:15. He becomes 20 years old again. He has a lot of love in his heart for those guys. "This is kinda weird, eh?"
Wait a sec...Hurricane Andrew was 13 years _before_ Katrina...did I hear that wrong..?
Criticizing the government of Israel ain’t anti-Semitic. Also Roger’s Dad died while fighting anti-semites, so get bent 😊
well, in all actuality, roger's dad was a communist and a pacifist. he didnt want to get involved in the war, until he as an ambulance driver, saw death and destruction by the german air raids over britain. he then signed up to fight against the axis powers, and died in anzio , italy.
@@ronnyselbkmyhre1554 he died in italy. and a fascist state and anti-semites arent the same thing. the italians under mussolini, werent exterminating jews.
@@ryrythefryguy4645Dude..stop your pathetic attempts to manipulate. Germans was also fighting in Italy. Actually the battle of Anzio was against German forces, so you are really talking out of your ass here 😂
Waters father was an officer who would have had no qualms about shooting his own, terrified men, under his command for refusing to die for him. He was scum, as is his loopy, Jew hating fading talent son
correct
He makes a good point about WHO gets to decide what is an anti semite, HOWEVER, Israel is a STATE, not a people. When we criticize Saudi Arabia, we aren't criticizing Islam, at least sane people aren't. When the Saudis kill a journalist we aren't being anti muslim for criticizing them.
And IF the Saudis said "you are being anti muslim" when we criticize them, it would be laughed out of the park.
The comparison is that Israel is on the defensive, and are saying "yeah, but you hardly ever criticize saudi arabia', which isn't actually true. Its just that the BDS movement is more organized, which means its a threat. And the 'your anti semitic' line is now thrown out at ANYBODY who criticizes Israeli policy, and how far thats gone downhill is now evidence by the fact the BIGGEST protests of the Israeli government right now are ISRAELIS. So so much for 'the regions oldest democracy'.
But as for Roger, its good he's giving a public voice to an opinion that gets very little mention at least in any recognizable media. Apart from that I dont' take morality lessons from millionaire rock stars. In BOTH regions one can ask why the US has such an interest in places so far away. Its not like we have big involvement in the Eretrea and Ethiopia conflict, although I just watched a report that apparantly the CIA has its fingerprints all over at least ELEVEN military coups that have happened in Africa, which ought to tell you how slim the west's interest in 'democracy' is. And for the most part media just beats the drums of war yet again.
And its worth pointing out that I'm in Canada, as is Ezrin and this radio station. By historians its well known that not only did the eugenics movement get spawned from this side of the pond where it became 'the holocaust', but also the bantustands of South Africa which became the model for Palestine, originated in the reservation system of Canada, the US, and Australia and New Zealand. When canadians criticize Israel they can be asked what they've done for first nations rights. As late as the sixties the canadian government had an overt policy of genocide, thats now been admitted by government. First nations protests don't get the kid gloves that truckers protests do, they are taken far more seriously. But again, the doesn't EXCUSE Israel. I've heard Rogers comments, I've heard NOTHING remotely 'racist' in any of them. They are directed against STATES, one of which happens to be predominantly jewish.
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Very intelligent response. Growing up with "war parents" who had overtly supported jews in the UK (particularly my mother) and carried the post war sympathy for all surviving jews, the creation of a Jewish state, seemed completely reasonable, at the time, but in later life my mother (died in 2017), was disillusioned with the direction that the extremist right wing/orthodox Israeli politicians, were taking, and felt the "settlements" policy was barbaric. Bottom line, one can be anti-Israel (policies), and NOT be antisemitic. As an atheist, I have low tolerance for any extremist theists, and while not a fan of all of RW's politics, I'm with him on this issue. When a nation is founded or based on a singular religion, conflict is inevitable, internally externally or both.
@@marksallows113What do you believe Roger Waters is right about regarding his political views and what do you disagree with? Just wondering.
@@James-hd6ez As I've aged (69 now), I politically move from right to left of centre, so I find myself agreeing more with his social commentary. He has complained that being critical of Israel's expansionist policies, does not make one antisemitic, and I agree with that. Being Jewish or pro-Jewish, does not necessarily make one Zionist. I do vehemently disagree with him on Russia/Putin, who I believe is a major threat to world stability (I have studied much about Putin's early life, and beliefs), and I'm surprised at Roger on this matter. I put Floyd at the top of my list of "must have" music and believe Roger to be a genius, albeit an arrogant and egotistical one. His put-down of the other members, contradicts, the concept of the sum of PF's parts being greater that those individual pieces. Both David and Roger have produced more mediocre individual efforts, than quality ones, but David's post Roger PF and individual creations, have definitely surpassed Roger's and I think that irritates Roger no end.
Bob often talks about "they" as in "they asked me..." but it's never been clear to me how or why Bob Ezrin became a prominent music producer. What's the backstory? Richardson just opens the door for Bo at age 19 in 1969?
"80% of success is showing up"
Alice Cooper was his first big break in the industry. But I don't know the story.
Oh Come on! Get on with it.
23:23
“Each man has his price Bob, your’s was pretty low”
I remember that, that was the one low point on Amused to Death, which is just about perfect. Roger took a personal beef and stuck it into his 'art', which kind of makes it not art. Grown men acting like children.
I actually agree. Amused to Death is a great album but when he takes jabs at Ezrin and Andrew Lloyd Webber it's like, really? You're dealing with war and poverty and greed and you take the time to deal with personal beefs in the middle of all that? Save it for interviews, because I do love a good Waters interview.@@user-jp5nc8zf7m
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m it was a brilliant response to Ezrin, who promised to produce the album, and then lies for rescinding.
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m there are no low points in Amused to Death, who are you to say whats art and what is not?
@@MrChibras I'm the same as anybody else, thats who. I'm to say what is art because its my opinion. Amused to death is based on a book with a very definite plot and theme, as soon as you find out that that line is stuck in because Roger was cheezed at Bob Ezrin, it detracts from the artistic merit of it. There's a difference between using personal experience as a bouncing off point for a theme, its something else when its a gripe at somebody.
Roger's father got blown to pieces on a beach before he even met him. He maybe has cause to feel acerbic about military powers. Good people with insight cut some slack for true friends that they "love" and who may have had very different life circumstances.
Maybe the real value of AI, for artistic purposes, is not so much that it will do things in a literal, precise manner, but that it can take a source input and twist it around in unexpected ways. Maybe randomly, maybe in any of countless other ways. And it could do that more efficiently than anything else, and BTW with no fear of embarrassment. A sort of free-association machine.
Yeah exactly. Like cutting words out of a newspaper and mixing them up and reselecting them for narrative inspiration
I agree with Bob on his discussion about Roger. I love Rogers work as an artist. I will leave it at that.
Roger is right about Israel/Palestine.
@@kdkseven No matter what is said about this issue, it will upset somebody. If it was simple it would have been resolved long ago. So I will leave the politics out of my discussion. My opinion won't change anything.
CHOM still exists? Stopped listening to it circa 1985.
Ezrin says Zionism is inseparable from Judaism. That’s like saying being German is impossible without being a Nazi.
No it's not. Germany isn't a religion
I'm shockled he's not aware how bad U2 are.
It would be nice to hear Rogers opinion on Israel today 14/10. Who is the riff raff now Roger, have any smart remarks to share with us?
He does and he posted a video to UA-cam.
You may have spoke too soon.
Dear@@zt7489, it happens.
Thanks for your comment. Have a nice day.
Thank you, Bob. Youve made me and many millions of others so happy with your musical direction. I applaud your stance on Anti-semitism and Roger. its sad but true. ❤from UK.
Ah yes, the old bullshit notion that Roger Waters is an anti-semite for his stance against apartheid Israel. Thank you for your comment, as it has saved me from wasting time on this interview.
Yeah, the son of a man who died fighting anti-semites somehow morphed into one because he criticizes an apartheid government LOL
@@jacksonhunkle2444 Yeah, well my dad liked tomatos but I dont.
Exactly. @@jacksonhunkle2444
@@peterbustin2683 what a stupid comparison
About roger and the pig thank you bob that was an honest prespective,setting the record straight on modern roger .
Pretty much anyone who has ever had a relationship with Roger Waters has had a falling out. He's not a mentally or emotionally well person. 4 (5?) divorces, running off the great musicians in Pink Floyd, etc.
Fired his band for stooges picked by Nigel Godrich and only kept the Karen Jon Carin who I don't like after he talked trash about Rick Wright after he died (Rick is not here to defend himself). Only member of Roger's band I love is Dave Kilminster and he is a phenomenal guitarist who has a Brian May/Jimmy Page/Jeff Beck like quality to his playing and he is friends with the amazing Steven Wilson.
It's unfortunate, but sometimes we need people with unfortunate attitudes to make great things. Sometimes.
I wonder what Bob would say about Palestine and Hamas now...
From what I can gather from Roger Waters interview. Roger states during The Final Cut Album that Ezrin was in the back playing donkey kong and telling Roger this new album was garbage. I am big fan of Roger and Final Cut Album but even I can see he is going to far with politics by drawing lines in the sand between good guys and bad guys. Maybe olive branch is needed on all sides.
Roger is way past olive branches
You see? Just like what he says about Waters, Wagner and Pound, i can say the same about his overtly Z*-ist defensive and supervising stance - I personally don't need the other part to attest whether i'm this or that. Sorry, Bob, love your work (for Real), but don't give us that shit of an argument.
Soooo......Wagner wasn't a staunch Antisemite, then?
Pound didn't admire italian fascism (and he was there in Europe and lived in Italy between 1924 - 1945)?
Waters didn't have a giant floating pig with the star of David and Dollar-signs (which he originally wanted to add political and racial slurs)?
Ezrin got asked and told how the fall-out originally happened and then explains, why he cannot repair the relationship now, due to Waters' behaviour.
Where is that "shit of an argument"?
You can despise the prestent israeli gouvernment - and I certainly do - but once you chose to critizise it by use of its religious symbols, i.e. mock them, it's not a critizism, it's becoming derogatory.
It's the israeli gouvernment that treats Palestinians like shit, it's not because they're jewish.
US foreign politics have been a failure in Asia and Africa, but it doesn't matter, if George W. Bush is a "reborn christian" or a catholic like the Kennedys.
Hey Rog, how they hanging? How's wife #4? Or, is it #5? Is it true what Gilmour said about your frequent lip-synching at concerts?
@@camillabruford7216 ...they´re hanging quite decently for my age, BUT Roger I am not.
@@camillabruford7216 Hey Cam, how's rejection #147? Or, is it #148? Is it true that you have no talent whatsoever, so you feel the need to express your jealousy and frustration on the internet towards those who have?
@@sombra1111 If only you knew how far off the mark you really are here... Anyway, believe what you want and keep stroking Rog's dodger. He definitely appreciates it.
How the hell Bob gets anti-Semitism from Waters here is a puzzle. He worked on The Wall with him, would have been near by when they made the film of it too - allowing him understand the material in depth.
Sure, it sounds like Roger may not be easy to get on with, but that doesn't make him anti-semitic. Why would Waters elevate Nazis when his dad was killed fighting them, how does that make any sense???
In his interviews over the years he has addressed the issues, especially after the re-contexting of The Wall when the ADL jumped on him. I advise people go look at this analysis and listen to the man in his own words here -
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Emotions aren't facts, Bob.
You are willfully obtuse Bob.
Stupid comment
Roger was the leader of the band that put attitude into Pink Floyd music. Otherwise you fall asleep listening to the them wondering around aimlessly!😮
Just like his new Redux album? 😴
Perfect.
Roger developed Britney Spears syndrome of lip syncing, dancing like a monkey and is now what the late Neil Peart wrote "sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it". Roger (like Britney) has sociopath tendencies, send his cronies to attack if you question him. Ironically most of Roger's supporters are now dead (Jim Ladd, Timothy White) and David's (Redbeard, Kurt Loder) are still with us.
The 1970-75 Pink Floyd era was a BAND with David Gilmour and Rick Wright writing much of the music with Roger writing the lyrics. After Wish You Were Here, beginning with Animals, it turned into The Roger Waters Power Trip and the first casualty was Rick Wright who he rejected ideas and also drove to quit for two days on the Animals Tour and eventually bullied out on The Wall mixing sessions. The next was Storm Thorgerson being cast off from album covers over the Animals sleeve. Then Bob Ezrin over an interview. David rehired all three (in fact Bob produced About Face and Storm did the album sleeve) and eventually reinstated Rick as a full member in 1988 and Rick got voting rights for the back catalog back and his stake in Pink Floyd Music Ltd back (Pink Floyd (1987) Ltd was created to thwart off Roger).
Wrong. Waters, wrote almost 80% of the lyrics and if he didn't write, participated in almost 70% of the songs since Meddle. And we have to record that the concept, ideas, development were his, as well as the insertions.
And production!@@terrencereardon6374
Roger and Peter (and David Gilmour) all support Palestine...
Don't know if you missed it but several weeks ago Gilmour blasted Waters for being an "antisemite to the core" and, having worked with him for 15 years or so, Dave might know a thing or two about Roger. Gilmour supports the Palestinians but doesn't advocate for Israel's destruction. Waters does.
@@JohnLaFrance-pt3rt "Waters does."
No, he doesn't. That's a blatant lie. And Gilmour is an embarrassing establishment shill for quite some time now, so no surprises there.
@@JohnLaFrance-pt3rt If you lean on someone hard enough, they'll say anything. Lobbying is real, and it's really harmed democracy, and by extension, the people in the UK.
@@JohnLaFrance-pt3rt Let's not use hastiness in vain. You see, *ionism didn't end with the formation of said state - on the contrary, it expanded in as many colours as there are on the rainbow flag and beyond, heading for W-wide domination. What we are living now is still the preambulum, and I see it coming very darkly - ''they'' found a new way of causing wars without the bellic apparatus, thus the ''strange wars on tv'', the viruses, the gender shambolics, Big brother-type tv shows, auto-tuning, nazi/commie/ultrafeminism, 5G, Enforced squatting by law, 6G, the replacement of entire unsuspecting populations, and every time they do something ''wicked'' there's another film with Christian Clavier (Louis de Funès would be cancelled nowadays). We never left Plato's cavern.
@@M2Mil7er Ridiculous. David Gilmour is his own man and you seem to be upset that he's not a virulent J-hater like Waters. Pathetic. Waters called his agent an f-ing J back in the seventies, long before he was involved in the Pal-Isr issue at all. He was confronted on that recently and didn't even deny saying it. He hates J's.
Oh yeah, even though it was "popular" he ruined Alice Cooper, the first 2 albums are the best
Every member of Pink Floyd had much to contribute . . However lyricly speaking - Roger Waters is still relevant. "is this the life we really want?" Walks circles around "The division Bell" despite their almost 25yrs apart.
David has nothing interesting to say that can't be overheard being uttered in any old diner.
Rattle that clock also offers nothing interesting within the words written.
I love Miles Davis, he might be the greatest single line composers in all of history.
So i have no quarrel with music that has no sung poetry or even music with poorly contained lyrics as long as the music is good enough.
My issue is with David & his wife Calling Roger some racist and in the very same life David has no issues performing poetry written entirely by a racist? I would imagine a David Gilmore show without any lyrics by Roger Waters would be Lame AF comparitivly.
Stop singing classic Floyd. Either you believe Mr. Waters is a bad man or you dont. Circulating HIS messages and presenting Roger's body of poetry is a hypothetical move on your part if you indeed hold the false belief that Roger Waters is antisemitic.
Is This the Life We Really Want? is horrible. His worst solo album. I waited 25 years for a classic (Amused to Death, the original 1992 mix and Pros and Cons were great) and instead I got "I hate Trump, I hate God, I hate right wingers, I hate guitar solos, I love terrorists and minimalistic music which is a cure for insomnia" crap. There's a reason I stopped seeing Roger after The Wall in 2012, the lip syncing and the crappy new band he has including the Karen Jon Carin who has desecrated Rick Wright's memory with his lies and crap and he is a POS. Only musician in Roger's band I love is Dave Kilminster and he comes from the Jimmy Page/Brian May/Jeff Beck school of guitarists and also a fan of Metal bands like Motorhead (anyone who likes Lemmy is TOPS with me) plus sings better than the Karen or the G'D HIPPIE (as Eric Cartman said it) Jonathan Wilson (I hate hippies).
The Division Bell is my third favorite Pink Floyd album behind The Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here then it's Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, Obscured by Clouds, The Wall, A Momentary Lapse of Reason Updated and Remixed Version, Animals (the first Roger solo album and the original mix I have here, the remix would be at the bottom of the barrel) and The Endless River is #10.
David singing Polly's lyrics are no different to Elton John singing Bernie Taupin's words, Geddy Lee singing Neil Peart's lyrics (may he lay in peace), the late Greg Lake singing Pete Sinfield's lyrics on Love Beach and in the early King Crimson days, Freddie Mercury interpretating Roger Taylor, Brian May and John Deacon's lyrics, Phil Collins singing Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks' thoughts.
BTW it's Rattle That LOCK you tool. Roger has been divorced FOUR TIMES. Fired his own solo band for stooges picked by Nigel Godrich. Miles Davis is crap. Rush were ten times better than Miles. Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica all own Miles Davis.
Roger Waters knows more about history & geopolitics than Bob Ezrin, simple as that. Criticizing Israel doesnt make you an anti-Semite, and being Jewish doesnt mean someone's a Nazi just because you say so.
roger waters is an antisemitic bully and thats that.
but he's very arrogant about his knowledge and it doesn't help the fact that he's a putin-apologist and supports julian assange who is a piece of shit. i'm not a supporter of israel's corrupt government but i don't support terrorists either. roger is just a stupid old fart nowadays.
Rubbish
These so so think they untouchable
Absolutely right.. The Talmud believers are a disgusting lot of self righteousness people and the theology is exactly what Jesus warned his disciples about.
The Pharisees and lawyers of their day had continued their ways and eventually the sci fi Ron Hubbard grade series of oral traditions of their own laws, (not Gods) became the Talmud, which is horrifically anti Christ, pro Zionist, destroy any dissenter style dogma. Sick stuff. Guess I'm a Jew hater?
What an embarrassment. I wish Bill Hicks was still alive just so he could do another 1 hour special on people like you, Bob. It's a shame people like Hicks and George Carlin aren't around now that we need them the most.
HUh? Guys with their own opinion?
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m People praising the 3rd Reich are also "guys with their own opinion", so I don't see the point of your observation.
@@sombra1111 The point of my observation was the two question marks because yours made no sense. The US is FAR worse than Israel, but I"ve heard of NO BDS movement aimed at american goods.
He LITERALLY said that he doesn't agree with Israels policies on Palestine, which means he's not praising ANYBODY, which means equating his statements with somebody 'praising the third reich' is as crazy as a bag of hammers.
But as I wrote, I have no idea what Bill Hicks and George Carlin have to do with it, I've heard both their acts extensively and his comments are a million miles from their criticisms.
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m I didn't equate his statements to anything, I was simply pointing out that replying with "HUh? Guys with their own opinion?" is meaningless when the opinion itself is the problem.
He clearly endorses the establishment's propagandized narrative of the Ukraine war and he clearly sees Roger Waters very valid criticisms as a bunch of BS, as he said himself. Roger is one of the few artists in the world today who is speaking eloquently against oppressive powers, and paying a huge price for it with the constant smear attempts and gross misrepresentations of his message to label him as an anti-Semite, or a fascist, or a right-wing conspiracy theorist etc etc. I mean, the old "shut him up" tactics that everybody is familiar with, unless you're very young or not paying attention at all to the world. Bob Ezrin and David Gilmour are just another cog in this imperialistic machine right now, whether they're aware of it or not. (another brick in the wall would be too on the nose, I guess)
If you've never heard Bill Hicks and George Carlin talking about establishment-friendly musicians, who passively accept what they are fed by corrupt authority figures and corporate-sponsored media, you need to dig deeper. Bill Hicks talked about it extensively and it's among his best material.
And we can agree that the US is worse than Israel in many ways, but that hardly invalidates Roger's points, especially since he always strongly criticized US imperialism as well and does so to this day.
@@terrencesclassicrockcornerAlex Jones is pretty much the opposite of BIll Hicks. All political humour is 'dark', or its not funny.
Roger is right!!
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner oh boy study your stuff
he is not capable of studying anything, pure gut reactionary with no critical ability to think@@territucker7143
What a spectacular way for Ezrin to throw away his legacy down to the dumpster.
This is the second time I listen to Bob Ezrin talking about his time with Roger....he's such a nice, intelligent artist but I guess non of that matters to Waters the same way he never really appreciated his other bandmates and their enormous contributions to the Floyd sound...What a pitty!
What you said about Waters not appreciating his bandmates is 100 percent garbage.
@@Marius_vanderLubbeHe only pays tribute to Gilmore's guitar solos when he's on camera ... His expression never, EVER looks genuine.
He's always looked down on Nick and Rick and their contributions.
So you lied. Thanks.@@MrCayden21
@@Marius_vanderLubbe you are entitled to your opinion
(Of which I have no interest)🥱
More lies. Wow you really are a fantasist.@@MrCayden21
god bless roger water's on his israel/palastine stance.
Love how you guys remove truth from this as it proves that there is no accountability on Talmud following Is(Rael). My initial post was removed! ... and I listened to both sides and all parties are guilty.
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Because Jews perceive Roger Waters commentary and actions as hurtful and believe them to be anti semitic, does not, I repeat not, necessarily make it so, just by the belief it is. RW is justifiably appalled by the behavior and actions of modern day Israel. Also, the murderous rampage of Hamas in the past few days is beyond repugnant. They are beyond forgiveness.
Every time I have read about Ezrin every artist has mentioned what a massive cokehead he was. Now he wants to come across as a professional.
Fantastic interview. Roger Waters continues to make my Top Ten Wanker list year after year. Too bad really
“Wagner was a great artist,
wasn’t he? Wasn’t a really great guy.”
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Well, then I will decide that Bob isn't a producer and not a Jew.
That would be idiotic, wouldn't it, Bob? Holy shit.
No Geddy did not miss the plot - Lou Reed is overrated. I really don't get the appeal.
That interviewer is umm, ummm, ummmm, ummmmm, crap.
Ezrin ruined a lot of albums, like The Wall. Good job on Love it To Death and Destroyer though.
You should have done The Wall. I'm sure it had been so much better!
I've read pretty extensive accounts of The Wall, and that album would be garbage without Bob Ezrin, and Momentary Lapse would likely have never gotten done.
nonsense
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m that’s kind of what I hear… But there was a lot of material, but it really needed to be put into some kind of shape. And that’s a producer’s job.
@@johnnyxmusic The word is that Rogers concept, being as 'anti commercial' as he is, (intentionally or not), is that The Wall was ONE song that stretched out over ninety minutes, and simply strummed out with barely a melody.
The quick example is that Comfortably NUmb was not even ON there. He told Roger that there had to be at least one song from 'Pink's perspective. David brought in the music from his solo work, and Roger brought back the lyrics. Now, we can't overlook that Roger wrote those lyrics, but that wouldn't have gotten done without Ezrin. Just like I referenced above that the choral hook of Solsbury Hill was GOING to be "make your life a taxi not a tomb" and Ezrin, fortunately, told Peter there is no goddam way that was going to be on Solbury Hill and he tells the rest of the story here.
Ezrin has always been known as a hands on producer, some producers do little but mixing, some do hardly nothing at all. Part of the reason Rick was fired was because he asked to be producer, which they agreed to, hoping he's produce more, but he used it as an excuse to drink coffee and do even less.
But I'm no more likely to listen to Ezrin on political matters than Waters. Free speech is free speech, in point of fact even IF Roger dressed like a fascist and used symbols in any goddam way he wanted, THAT is free speech. If you don't support speech you don't like, you don' t support free speech. Lets ask Bob how he's like it The Wall became censored and unavailable since those original references are on there.
Sorry, Bob didn't actually say to censor Roger, he just said thats why he doesn't work with him or hang around him, which is fair enough.
24:18 And the other side of that story (Waters' take) goes like this: When he quit Pink Floyd, the reason he believed the band was over was because he thought he was taking the production secrets with him, i.e. "the Pink Floyd sound." And then, of course, he realised that he'd sat next to Ezrin producing The Wall and so Ezrin knew the ingredients to his "secret sauce." So _of course_ Gilmour was nice as pie to Ezrin, and oh-so accomodating, whatever you want Bob, because he desperately needed what was in Ezrin's head.
That's why Waters was pissed at Ezrin: because Ezrin shared the secret of "the Pink Floyd sound" that Waters knew Gilmour would struggle to sound like Pink Floyd without. And he was right, because Gilmour went straight to Ezrin. It's really that simple.
I'm sure Waters was kicking himself for not making Ezrin sign a non-disclosure agreement about the production techniques that were key to achieving the Pink Floyd sound, but it probably didn't occur to him in 1979 that such a move would be necessary and that his relationship with Gilmour would be rather more adversarial only a few years later.
By every measurable PF post Waters flourished by comparison. In the end it was the voice, guitar and depth of sound of Gilmour that prevails over the angry rantings of Waters
"Sharing the secrets of the Pink Floyd sound"??? You do realize that Gilmour, Mason and Wright spent hours over hours recording in the same studio? Have you ever seen a recording studio from the inside? What makes you think Roger Waters is that sonic messiah that originates the whole bandsound with the others just standing around like furniture, occasionally plucking some strings, hitting a cymbal here and there and layer an organ?
Bollocks.
@@wolfgangritter9277 Yes I have, several of them, but I'm wondering whether you have? Recording in a studio is not the same thing as getting involved around the mixing desk. You can do the former without ever going near the latter. Waters was always the concept guy who knew the sound he wanted, and the others were generally happy to let him get on with it. Probably didn't have much choice, to be fair, unless they wanted a scrap.
@@blatherskite3009 Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut were Roger's power trip. The Wall is what it is thanks to Bob and David turning Roger's G-C-D ramblings into songs and David wrote all of the music for Comfortably Numb and Run Like Hell and wrote most of the music for Young Lust and did loads of arranging and sang more on The Wall than on Animals (one Wall show, David sang all of Hey You (including the last verse but modified some notes so he wouldn't throw his voice out) after Roger threw his voice out the night before, The Wall February 8, 1980 L.A. is the gig) plus co-produced the album and on first issues was credited as top producer on the labels of the album which upset Roger. Roger's behavior got bad and started in 1976 and completed his megalomaniac transition in 1982.
Ezrin, the jew shall define anti semtism. End of story. No one can challenge this notion in a free society.
The Wall would have great as a single LP..on the whole its garbage imo
I hear that a lot… And I may even have seen a playlist of someone cutting it down to a single album. I have to listen to the whole thing again and see if I agree. I kind of think it’s a good journey to take. And I like the way the album is done because you feel like you’re watching a movie in your head. Of course I like the movie, too.
The Wall was originally going to be a triple album, but was cut down to a double. I think the concert is the best version.
Really enjoyed what Bob Ezrin had to say about working with Peter Gabriel, but his take on Roger Waters and his (very correct) views on Apartheid Israel and it's racist, genocidal treatment of the Palestinian people is about as ignorant as it gets. Same about the US/NATO war on Ukraine and Russia. Very disappointing. Bob could learn a thing or two from Roger.
NATO is not at war with Ukraine.
Russia invaded a sovereign country. NATO had nothing to do with it, Ukraine was never eligible.
If you actually want to learn something look up Euromaidan and the Revolution of Dignity
@bardsamok9221 I don't need your US State Department and NATO talking points, thanks.
I know all about how the CIA helped Nazis overthrow the democratically elected president who was on good terms with Russia. I know how the US and NATO dangled NATO membership in front of Ukraine, even though they knew it was never going to happen, to goad Russia into war. I know how the West sabotaged the Minsk accords.
@bardsamok9221 I don't need your US State Department and NATO talking points, thanks.
I know how the CIA helped N@#!$ overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected president who had good relations with Russia. I know how the US and NATO dangled NATO membership in front of Ukraine, even though they knew it was never going to happen, just to goad Russia into war. I know how Ukraine bombed it's own citizens in Donbass, who were ethnically Russian and spoke the language. I know how the West sabotaged the Minsk accords. I know that the US blew up the Nordstream in an attempt to weaken Russia.
@bardsamok9221 I don't need your US State Department and NATO talking points, thanks.
I know how the CIA helped overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected president who had good relations with Russia. I know how the US and NATO dangled NATO membership in front of Ukraine, even though they knew it was never going to happen, just to goad Russia into war. I know how Ukraine attacked it's own citizens in Donbass, who were ethnically Russian and spoke the language. I know how the West sabotaged the Minsk accords. I know that the US destroyed the Nordstream in an attempt to weaken Russia.
@@bardsamok9221 I don't need your US State Department and NATO talking points, thanks.
I know how the CIA helped overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected president who had good relations with Russia. I know how the US and NATO dangled NATO membership in front of Ukraine, even though they knew it was never going to happen, just to goad Russia into war. I know how Ukraine attacked it's own citizens in Donbass, who were ethnically Russian and spoke the language. I know how the West sabotaged the Minsk accords. I know that the US destroyed the Nordstream in an attempt to weaken Russia.