Why EVERY NBA Team Is AWFUL At The Draft
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2022
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The NBA Draft is difficult to get right, and pretty much every team in the league proves that.
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Can we talk about why the wizards haven't hit on a single draft pick since Bradley Beal. I think sometimes it has more to do with a team's development abilities rather than the player they select.
Its a combination of both, like you dont pick Deni when Tyrese is still on board
@@saeedsenpai5530 was it clear he was a better player at the time?
@@sl3azy406 only thing that was "concerning" about Tyrese was his shooting ability, even then, the Wizards needed a PG that can pass and shoot but they chose basically Nic Batum at 9th. If the Wizards have Tyrese rn they'd be top 3 in the East
@@saeedsenpai5530 tyrese maxey right? Lol top 3 is a stretch even if they somehow have the same exact team plus him.
@@sl3azy406 I meant Tyrese Halliburton fam lmao
As someone with ADHD I LOVE the high speed of your videos. The speed grabs and holds my attention.
Idk my team (raptors) never really have a super high pick other than Scottie but I feel like we always hit on not only our picks but our G League team too. We’ve had sick 2 way contracts like Boucher
Masai is a really good talent evaluator. The Raptors have been very good at finding market inefficiencies (late bloomers, lesser known/seen international players) to take advantage of because they have to, as they aren’t a free agent destination since most NBA stars from the States don’t want to play in Canada.
Fr we rarely miss on picks, maybe Malachi was a bust but most picks in the masai era have turned out to be great players
Hey tucker I love your videos but I have a couple suggestions for future videos.
1) have transitions between thoughts as it can be hard to keep track of what’s being discussed
2) slow down talking a bit. It can be hard to follow sometimes 😅
Also keep up the good work ❤
Also have a catch phrase at the end of the video so I know if the commercial is an end of video ad or an evil in the middle of a video ad.
He seems to be set on being as close as he can to 10 minutes a video. When he has a lot to say he'll speak fast and run topics into each other. When he doesn't he'll repeat himself constantly. Personally, I prefer these ones even if they take more effort to follow. At least they're worth watching to the end.
I honestly focus better when people talk faster... otherwise I lose focus😬
A lot of it is that teams draft for potential and player development never gets players to their full potential. Because they’re human.
Unless they have insane work ethic and discipline, it’s hard to unlock full potential.
Some players have a hard time adjusting to not being the best player on their team. Most NBA players were the best player on their team since they were 12. That does not mean they can not become the best player on their NBA team but it usually is not the case day one.
@@theman4884 I'm talking about the totality of their career. Especially players that are top picks selected for the purpose of being a core player.
Yeah you’d think team would see this Mostly doesn’t work lol
@@theman4884 when all of the sudden ure expected to make the easy layup off a pass from lebron, the game is definitely different. its a different kind of pressure. its the u better not screw up the simple shit kind of pressure that i definitely think plenty of players have a difficult time adjusting to.
A lot of players think they already know it all at age 21. They get into fights with their coaches when the coach tells them to play defense or take more efficient shots. So many athletic freaks like Josh Smith never reached their full potential because they stopped improving. They're the same player at age 21 and at age 31.
I think NBA Franchises have just as much to do with a player "busting" as the player does. Theres a direct correlation between a disfunctional franchise and the bust potential. Its clear franchises like Sacramento, Minnesota, and even Golden State back in the day before they got bought out that those franchises had terrible scouting, development and personnell in place that contributed to their prospects failing time and time again. The NBA lottery is meant for teams who struggle to get top picks in the futures talent. Teams come and go, but Minnesota, Sacramento and Golden State (back in the day) used to consistently be there. That meant there were failing components somewhere or everywhere in the chain of a player getting drafted to developing into a bad, good, or great player. Obviously the player himself has a lot to do with it. How much work he puts in, how much effort he puts into getting better, what routes he takes in his personal life and time, ect... But the franchises dont get nearly as much blame as they should. We joke about Anthony Bennett, but Anthony Bennett had no right being the first overall pick. The Cavs didnt even know they were picking him until they picked him. The draft isnt a science, its a lottery. Teams can do the most and best scouting, they can get the guys in for workouts, run the analytics, run simulations, get a personality indicator, they get see how hed fit in the system, ask coaches, run backgrounds, conduct interviews, and still get it wrong. Hindsight is always 20/20 with the drafts and anyone who tells you its not luck is lying. None of that is to say the research and effort put behind a draft isnt worth it, or doesnt matter, but at the end of the day its luck. My main point is just this, teams need to get blamed more for players busting. How many times in all sports where drafts are a thing, has a player been drafted to a terrible organiztion, or be put in situtations that arent favourable to his/her success and they flop. How many times have some of those guys gone on to have great careers when they were given what they needed to succeed. Look at Camron Payne, or Giannis, Kyle Lowry, Steve Nash or even James Harden to a certain degree. Guys who either were developed correctly, and given what they needed (Giannis) to guys like Payne, Lowry or Harden who just needed to be put in the right situations and some trust to thrive. Its all a gamble at the draft, but I think a lot of players have the potential to be good or great players. I think everything that comes after the draft is on them AND the organization to see it through.
Masai knew Giannis was going to be a MVP. There's video of him during the draft trying to get Giannis
A lot of the misses are also from teams being arrogant about them being able to "mold" any guy they pick into what they need. So many of the bad teams do this and miss oger and over again. Then the player getqs cut or dealt...usually to another bad team.
Team culture and chemistry and SYSTEM have a large part to play here. I feel like teams have to put more stock in mental and emotional maturity, that’s just as good of a gage as physical as far as I’m concerned.
Bingo! Culture is more important than talent ala Demarcus cousins
@@jarrodborders1235 Especially when it comes to creating a winning culture.
The Cavs are a great example of creating a winning culture with younger players that they drafted/acquired, a bright young point guard in garland - who knows how to initiate offense and get his teammates involved (still learning but he's already great), Evan Mobley - a unicorn on offense, and fantastic defensively; Jarret Allen (whom also came from another team already and acclimated directly into the cavs core identity) - a fantastic interior defender, who's also mobile enough to stay on players, limiting mismatches; Dovonan Mitchell - Whose already a star and offensive powerhouse, easing scoring and pace by being able to create his own shot and play well in the system; and the rest of the roster all contribute and pull their own weight. This is due in large part because they are well coached and they can utilize their skills to help the team, they actually listen to their coach (J.B. was a great hire and genuinely knows the importance and minutia of player development). J.B. also knows how to define the system that helps best suit the players and can engage in constructive criticism in a mature and understandable way. The players are willing to adapt to help each other win games, which, unsurprisingly, helps define team culture. The kings are also another recent example, but so are the grizzlies, warriors, and Celtics.
The main underlying constant in this example - Emotional, Mental, and Physical Maturity of the players themselves, they are listening for advice and actively trying to get better, not just focusing on what they're already good at and being selfish - or at least actively doing the steps to become better for the teams. The best teams realize this effort and put stock into development to better the team culture and winning atmosphere. Too many players I believe "chase a check" and that's a big reason NBA basketball's nowhere near as competitive as it should be in my opinion.
Man my method is on the court pre league and the ability that they got the days in the life of plus the on court shit tells you alot. Often teams draft on if they do that rather then what they actually are. Skills can be taught personality cannot and that's the key emphasis
There is also something to be said about the player. It’s kinda hard to know if Giannis would’ve worked out if he went 1st overall. A lot of lottery picks struggle with impatience from fans and expectations to usually come in and instantly be an all star. Not to mention injuries derail a lot of careers and development
Formal request for a Best and worst organizations for player development, featuring Poku (aka tank commander linguini)
Always great content 👏🏼
Mentality wise, two players I can think of are Ben Simmons and Andrew Wiggins.
Ben had the talent of an MVP, however because of his mentality when it comes to scoring, he's never gonna reach that MVP potential. And look, I'm a Nets fan, I can appreciate what Ben does well, but it would be foolish of me to not acknowledge his wasted potential, because of his fear of shooting. Andrew Wiggins is similar, Wiggins when coming into the NBA had MVP potential, however he just didn't have the mentality to achieve that potential. Wiggins was an awful defender for most of his career and would take really bad shots when he was with Minnesota. However, going to Golden State, he was surrounded by vets to motivate him into an All-Defense level player and taking more efficient shots.
I’d like to add that Wigs was also in Minnesota who are historically horrible at developing but that aside, I mess with this post ❤
Some teams like the bobcats just really sucked at drafting, unlucky or just sucked at developing players. They're almost always in the lottery. Yet they only have kemba and ball to show for it. Compare that to Indiana pacers. Pacers suck at drafting in the top 5. Yet, mid to late lottery and beyond. They strike gold.
The Celtics over the course of 4 years did a pretty good job with draft picks with picks like Smart, Brown, Tatum and a steal of the draft with Time Lord Williams they basically rebuilt their team through draft picks without skipping a beat
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As a kings fan it hurt to hear how many of your examples were drafted by Sac
The Spurs, Warriors, Celtic's and Raptors are the best teams when it comes to evaluating and developing young talent imo.
Please remove Golden State Warriors on that list. GSW drafted James Wiseman at 2020 NBA draft at no.2 where they could have drafted either 3 of these players, Lamelo Ball, Tyrese Haliburton, or even Tyrese Maxey.
@@patrickneilchan27 As logically said it's hard to evaluate young talent and no team is perfect at it. The Spurs picked Vassell one pick before Haliburton in that same draft.
Was that a mistake? Yes. Was that a bad pick? No. Vassell is averaging an efficient 21 pts this year and has a bright future. The Warriors picked Wiseman for fit and it hasn't worked out but that doesn't mean that their bad at drafting. Look at Poole for an example. He was a 28th pick.
@@patrickneilchan27 stop hes been injuried until this season. Also he doesn't gets as much playing time/ time to fail, thats why he is in the g league. So evaluat him in this and the next season to be fair.
@@oldmennewgames i think it's fair to evaluate him this season, he's been a net negative not only on the warriors but in the g league as well, not even second round picks are that bad
It’s the Celtics heat raptors top 3 man
Knicks and mavs are the worst in drafting. Worst thing that can happen to you as a prospect is landing w/ the knicks. Dallas aside from getting lucky to get a generational player once every 2 decades has drafted no one significant.
Nobody knows sports and nobody knows drafting. You can have all the data and all the analytics but nothing is full proof in any sport. Nobody was going to predict Greg Oden getting injured and never reached his full potential, nobody outside Mavs fans was going to predict Dirk winning a title over the Heatles in their prime. Fans are going to have good takes and bad takes, GMs and executives will have good and bad takes. Even James Wiseman at this point hasn’t been able to have a consistent role on the warriors over Kevon Looney. It is a crap shoot and all that matters is that you hit more than you miss, a few hits can make you the next Pat Riley or a few misses makes you the next Billy King.
Actually, a lot of people thought Oden would be hurt a lot because he was always hurt in college and high school.
@@bpdmf2798 he was like the first example that popped into my head
@@bpdmf2798 You're absolutely right, it was actually incredibly obvious, given that his legs were literally different lengths. Same with Chet Holmgren; WHAT A SHOCK.
@ajevans - "Dirk" NEVER WON A TITLE!! THE NBA HAS NEVER HAD A TEAM CALLED "DIRK"!
You've been influenced by a narrative created by those who'd rather pretend Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tyson Chandler, Jason Terry, DeShaun Stephenson, Peja Syojakovic, etc., NEVER EXISTED.
ONLY DAS DUDE!! DIRK ACCEPTS THIS, in case you wonder how HE feels about his teammates.
DIRK GLADLY TAKES 100% CREDIT AS A SOLO CHAMP.
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ADRIAN DANTLEY'S LEGS WERE DUFFERENT LENGTHS. How unusual is that, anyway. Perhaps it was only a problem for Greg Oden.
@9:00; Cough-Timberwolves-Cough!
I think the outlier are the Warriors and Celtics. Both teams have been fantastic at evaluating talent.
Low-key the Nets have been pretty good at that too: Saddiq Bey, Caris LeVert, Jarrett Allen, Cam Thomas, Kyle Kuzma, Nic Claxton, and Pat Connaughton have all been drafted by the Nets.
Saddiq Bey us with the Pistons. Perhaps by way of a Draft Day Handshake deal...?
Some (most) things you can t predict. Its easy to be a Monday morning QB.
9:21 before Giannis was drafted #15 overall and won an MVP Steve Nash was drafted #15 and won 2 MVPs.
Technically tied
We get it. You're a Nash fanboy
@@therealcapartist1690 we get it ur a kobe fan boy
as a sixers fan, i'm only curious about why other teams do
I am also curious about why other teams do
While all this is correct. The one constant in every year any style any era. You need shooters. Historically non shooters were drafted in the top 10. Which has always been dumb.
Bucks picks have usually been terrible.... we picked Glenn robinson instead of grant hill, bogat instead of Chris paul, fraddattie instead of klay thompson, parker instead of embiid thorn maker instead of domantos sabonis
Teams have horrible psychology departments. The daft should be mainly about psyche evaluation. Obviously skill evaluation is necessary but teams get drunk on that and don't put more importance in the mindset of these players. Also teams should develop their mind sets too. A lot of these bust get lost with all that money. All this guys cone from nothing and can't handle the limelight and money. The ones who do are the ones with a strong psychological profile. And also with Marijuana being allowed these young guys are getting stoned and passive. Culture is toxic and these Youngs only care about culture.
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A lot of this is bad performance is maybe due to ignorance. You have guys in basketball organisations who act on the knowledge of yesterday. Not, where is the NBA going to be in 5 years, or 10. What do we need as an organisation to develop players into? But also, franchises fail because they see the physical side of a player, but largely ignore the mental. It's an upbringing process, not just a skills development. As for Luka, Yannis and Porzingis, the NBA just has no idea what is out side the US. Yannis is Greek, but also very Nigerian in his body pride. Also, his family are immigrants in a deeply hostile environment. They fight for what they get. And on, and on. Psychology is complex
I like to look at draft prospects as similar to stocks, u can see the history of these stocks and how they’ve performed, similar to players in hoghscool and college but u never know what can happen in the future and which stock will be the star ones whilst others just decent. Pretty much an educated gamble with some exceptions.
Teams take athletic players > skilful. Silly.
It's obvious every team could have chosen a better player than they selected in some year of some draft. You aren't going out on a limb saying that. (An interesting future episode might be each franchise's biggest missed pick. Many franchises might share the same missed pick.) And the league does change rapidly. A true center like Jah Okafor entered the league as it was going away from traditional centers. He could have had a successful career in an earlier era. But honestly, I think lately; everyone has it wrong on draft night to some extent. The Mavs lucked up and got the best in the draft; but if they'd drafted 1st that night would they have really picked him? They didn't really know what they had just like Joker in Denver.
mlb draft even harder
I feel like this was just 11 minutes of talking, no real point 😭
@4:06 “27, 28, 29, however old he is right now”. Please research your topics as part of your preparation. You could have googled Giannis’ age in 10 seconds
Need the lakers to fire rob and hire tucker
I need the Lakers to keep sucking. Because when they don't suck, the rest of us never hear the end of it.
I think tucker won't do the westbrook trade, and that alone would make lal so much better.
Ben Simmons??? Zion Williamson???
I love how all the arm chair gms make fun of picks literally everyone was happy with at the time the main example is fultz ppl acting like they were dumb for taking him is the definition of hindsight brain
Some fumbles are just ridiculous tho. Why would you not draft the player that was mvp of the euro league and one of the most accomplished draft prospects ever.
Everyone was thinking Kings lol
We can never know how a player will turn out to be. Nobody knows who Giannis is until he exploded in the scene. He was compared to Nick Batum for goodness' sake, that is just disrespectful. But again, we'll never know who will step up on the next level.
Wasn't Batum drafted in the same draft as Giannis
What do you think of getting rid of the draft and instead just giving teams the amount of money their draft position would have them paying according to rookie salary scale and having like a two week incoming rookie free agency period, week one for first round money offers, week two for second round level contract offers.
Someone said to this once the Lakers would get everyone but no they wouldn't. Maybe they get a lot of kids at first but then they are winning a lot of games and cant offer money or maybe even playing time. Or maybe they have LeBron and AD, if you're Zion do you want to go there and come off the bench? Or consider James Wiseman. The Warriors can't offer him no pressure minutes to learn the game and get comfortable. Of course an 18yo is going to want to join a contender but hopefully someone in their camp would say No, join the Spurs and work with Tim Duncan, join the Rockets and try to talk to Hakeem, go to a team who can turn you into a max player. You can retire at 35 w 200M and spend as much time in LA as you want
Sorry this is gonna come off as rude, but why are u even putting any thought into this terrible of an idea?
Boston seems to hit on there picks a lot of the time
Aaron Nesmith and Romeo Langford are looking at that comment with hope.
@@bpdmf2798 But Brown, Smart, Tatum, and Williams are nodding their heads.
Celtics had two first round picks and passed on all the players that were busts, for the two best players in each draft class(2016+2017)
@@NickMachado that is true. As a Suns fan i definitely wish they picked Josh Jackson instead of Tatum lol.
I think Orlando is the best in picking 1st pick
Luka was drafted third…
He was 2nd
At the pro level you’re splitting hairs on what makes a guy better for your team. So many of these guys are close in level it’s about finding the guys who fit systems and all that jazz. They call generational players that name because they come so rarely and it isn’t easy to find or land them.
Boston getting Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Williams through the draft and making a Finals disagrees with this assessment.
I mean, no it doesn’t? I genuinely think the Celtics are one of the best drafters in the league but that doesn’t mean that there was no luck involved in them succeeding with those picks. They can be good at drafting and have gotten lucky at the same time, those statements are not mutually exclusive.
I hate losing Danny's drafting. We have yet to see what Stevens can do with a first round pick. But even Danny had the occasional Fab Melo and JR Giddens.
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This is a terrible topic for a video. Your telling me having to select the best teenagers isn’t down to an exact science? Wow bravo
We got a MVP in the second round. Good enough for me haha
You can tell how good someone is going to be in there first few nba games. Watching suggs I could tell he'll never be special. Same thing with kuminga.
Kuminga has the time to work out.
Jimmy Butler, Steve nash, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen, John Stockton, Kawhi Leonard all had terrible rookie years. Theres alot of players that need time to develop before cutting them off and labeling them a bust. Some players dont develop into their role until they hit their mid 20s. At the end of the day the draft is a lottery. You never know if ull get a jimmer fredette or a steph curry. A zion williamson or an anthony Bennett. A john wall or a markelle fultz. A ben simmons or a magic johnson..
@@peaceohplease2685 I hate when fans overreact especially barnes people are calling him a bust when he's having a sophomore slump which is common tatum had a similar path
Idk man the raps always get it right
Stanley Johnson said hold my beer.
@@kriswest6442 he was drafted by the Pistons…
They traded Roy Hibbert tho
(Sad raps fan)
This proves the draft is overrated
Let’s be real we all can draft better than the browns
Clippers are by far the worst drafting team besides the pistons and the magic
Is Suggs a bust?
It’s his second year and you’re already asking this 😭
the only players in the last 20 years I say u can drag n drop from now to 3 decades ago (doesn't matter the team, doesn't the coach, doesn't matter the developmental staff) and would still succeed, would be Lebron & Ja.
i love you tucker
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Lmaooo celtics passed up two busts with simmons and Ingram to take jaylen brown. They passed on two busts the next year in fultz and lonzo to take one of the best players in the NBA, Jayson tatum. Danny fleeced so many teams on trades and in the draft, that he had to retire because people were scared to do business with him.
I am not sure many people are call Ingram a bust. His numbers and Browns were very close last year. Brown is pull out a little bit this year. The Tatum move was brilliant on Danny's part. It is a shame that extra pick didn't become more.
Ingram is not a bust, far from it.
This just prove you don't watch the NBA games aren't you, So please remove Brandon Ingram & Lonzo Ball on your list, these 2 are not bust. The LA Lakers screw both Ingram & Lonzo and LA head office blame both players for their incompetence. For starter Lonzo Ball should be Bulls franchise player instead of Zack Lavine. Chicago Bulls are very good team but After Lonzo is injured everything when downhill. Just look at the Bulls now are they that good now without Lonzo on the court. Brandon Ingram is the most important player Pelicans team who is currently 3rd western standing.
@@patrickneilchan27lonzo is a roleplayer as a second pick textbook bust
ingram if anything is better than brown
Except Danny Ainge