They're seen very briefly in the E3 2012 footage, around the time Cortana says "I will not allow you to leave this planet." Their appearance (at least as far as the faceplate goes) is notably different from the red/orange Prometheans.
I think Keyes had the saddest death through the whole series, to be tortured slowly...mentally....forced to forget everything while you die...to not have a single thing left
the phrases in brackets are what he believes is what is meant by the things said in the transmission. this is almost a hobby for most people, because many game developers leave massive gaps in background information for players to figure out, and many people find it fun to try and find this missing information. COD Zombies is one. hints can be found everywhere, and most likely some were from halo 4, seeing as 343 Industries developed the anniversary edition of the original Halo as well as Halo 4
@ThePopeba No, Offensive Bias split MB in to two pieces. One was held on the Ark, the other on a Keyship that arrived at Janjur Qom until it tore the top part of the planet off and was adapted into High Charity. There was no third fragment.
The terminals are amazing. I actually cried during Keyes' assimilation. This gave me a lot of insight into Guilty Spark, too, and almost as much into the Forerunners themselves. Oh my god I can't wait for the next Greg Bear book. It can't come soon enough!
If you've heard the hidden speech in the Halo 2 soundtrack, which was practically confirmed to be the Forerunner AI; Mendicant Bias, you'd know that this AI, while sounding slightly like the Didact and seems connected to him, has the exact same voice as Bias, and could also be linked to him. So, it's more likely Mendicant Bias than the Didact. And people did serve the Didact. He was a legendary Promethean commander.
The Didact was a high-ranking Forerunner Promethean and supreme commander of the Forerunner military. His existence has been known since the Halo 3 Terminals, and he is a prominent character in the book series "The Forerunner Saga." Judging from what we've seen so far, he could possibly be the big bad guy of Halo 4 and its sequels -- which would make sense, given that the new enemies seen in the most recent trailers are confirmed Prometheans.
also it is interesting to point out that the main gun on the UNSC ships is called a MAC (Mass accelerator cannon) which works in similar proportion and idea to mass effect's cannons. Whats more, to those who do compare the two series, reapers would have had the capacity to destroy like the forerunners but instead choose to harvest sentient life and not infect it. Given the capabilities of the mass relays and such there is not true measurement of it all finally the ship designs are similar
@GunStreets The Precursors ARE the Flood, as Primordium reveals. The Flood was deemed as the perfect organism in the eyes of the Precursors, and the Mantle includes succumbing to the Flood. The Forerunners were judged to be unworthy, humanity's fate as Reclaimers is being tested by the Timeless One (revealed to be the Gravemind).
@Gubreez If you go with the Ancient Ancestry theory (noting things like the admittedly Rampant Guilty Spark telling Master Chief, "Last time, you asked me 'If it were up to me, would I do it?' Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged."), one could imagine the Forerunner seeding Earth with nanotechnology to induce their chosen guardians, phrehistoric man, to evolve into the Forerunner genotype.
I think you are right about the Didact being the main antagonist of Halo 4. It was hinted at rather heavily in these terminals, don't you think? Especially the last few words.
@Lastjedi53622 Guilty Spark is referencing the Librarian when he says "her". The Didact is the Librarian's husband (both Forerunners). I am still reading the books (Halo: The Forerunner Saga), and I'm still trying to figure out if "The Timeless One" is Gravemind. The one thing that bugs me is a reference to "Precursors", who are basically forerunners to the Forerunners. So be warned if you read the books, there are still lots of questions.
@Sevv9220 If you read the second book in the forerunner Saga near the end the book you find out that the flood was put there in space by the Primordial because he foresaw what humans would do with it. He knew they would experiment and morph it if you will. It says at the end of the book by the dictat that he could see he was nothing more than another Gravemind. This indicates a further, deeper connection as well.
@MartyZiinema No, The Construct (Cortana is usally refered to construct in the games) is an Covenant AI i think, trying to crack the security systems for the containment doors were the Flodd were.
@irishmobster60 No, 343 is speaking of the Didact and the Librarian, two Forerunners that loved each other, but the Librarian stayed on earth when the Halo arrays were activated, killing her.
@Dooland1991 The Flood were sent into the Milky Way on ancient ships in the form of a white powdery substance, it displayed positive chemical changes on creatures, namely the Pheru (pets that humans and San'Shyuum kept). Over time, the Pheru became feral as the substance manifested inside them, they began growing irregular limbs and whatnot and eventually attacked their owners. Thus the Flood began to spread between humans and San'Shyuum, leading to the Human-Flood war.
@GunStreets No. Mendicant Bias: A) Wasn't anywhere near Installation 04. B) Was dormant aboard the Keyship on High Charity at the time. C) Does not have the same appearance as the Construct. D) Does not speak at all like the Construct. E) Would not want the Flood released, nor the Halos to be fired again. First Strike states that the Covenant sometimes steal damaged human AIs and rewrite their base code, forcing them into servitude. This is one of those AIs, it cannot be Mendicant.
@tornado9898 well not exactly... During the forerunner-human war, they humans were fighting not just the forerunners, but also the flood, which had evolved from a powder in a container they found in outer space.. The humans beat the flood almost completely, and had found the secret to destroying it, but in doing so, lost the war with the forerunners. Then the forerunners were investigating an old human colony and THEY released the flood. I read cryptum, and that's pretty much what I can remembe
I`ve read the books as well, but I was under the impression the Primordial was a former Precursor. From there I have 2 theories - when the Forerunners were going to annihilate the Precursors they unleashed the Flood on them (I`m not sure how the humans are involved). OR the Precursors saw the Flood as a perfect race and allowed themselves and the rest of the galaxy to be assimilated.
@ultrajd There were indeed 12 Halo Rings originally, but they were destroyed during the battle of the Capital and only 7 were able to be used for the final plan.
At the end he wishes he had a company of Prometheans (A noble class of the Warrior-Servant Forerunner rate from the distant past) to restore order to the ring. This could be alluding that maybe certain forerunners were protected from the rings effects in a ark (possibly the blue thing from the Halo 4 teaser). This would be interesting to have these forerunners fight humanity to activate the rings and destroy all traces of the flood, and repeat the universe cleansing process once again.
min 11:40-15:22 Holy fuck that song is from the halo 2 main menu, and that song gives me a very indescribable feeling, very nostalgic, I kinda feel sad, its like a heavy heart feeling. I miss those old good days playing halo 2 in LAN-party's with friends and my big brothers every Friday or Saturday from 6-7pm to 3-4am or even till dawn and my mom getting mad at my big brother for taking me back home at such time because I was just a 13 years old kid haha. good very good old days.
and the only way he can be stoped is with the librarian's help. This is the is the greatest game storyline ever. It's so complex that my head starting to hurt from trying to comprehend it.
@seker406jt Reclaimers are beings who have inherited what is known as 'the Mantle', guardianship of life in the universe. It was the belief of the Forrunners (as you put it, the "humanoids in cool outfits") that they had inherited the mantle from the Precursors, after the Halos fired they passed the Mantle down to humanity, making us Reclaimers.
@MyColonelSanders The original Halo was made great not only by its gameplay, but also by its story. Halo, as a series, has a deeper canon than most RPGs. That is one of the things that makes it worth playing. Halo 3 had terminals too. You just had to read them yourself.
@seker406jt no idea what the others are talking about, the 12 halos came from the forerunners and the floody came from i believe Cryptum (i cant remember the planet name for sure, but it was just on that planet but it used the forerunner ships to start spredding everywhere, if i remember right you can find out more about this from the Termials in halo 3 (i think thats where i read it) here is the origins story, also it does explain how they got from the ark /watch?v=iInV1ov9Pw4
The present day for those games don't line up, but both universes date back hundreds of thousands of years, even longer. The Reapers in Mass Effect have been around for millions of years.
The confrontation between Guilty Spark and the AI of Truth and Reconciliation is chilling. Basically, the Covenant use only semisentient AI (likely as the Prophets are rightfully worried about what a sentient one would learn.) The parenthetical part isn't just a theory; T&R's AI managed to become fully sentient and figured out exactly what would happen to the Covenant--and is letting it happen anyway.
"and without the Librarian around to temper his rage, well these reclaimers might almost prefer the flood" omg the Didact is going to be a badass in Halo 4 lol
@firewallednonspeaker Correct. 5 were destroyed before they reached their firing position throughout the galaxy. I recommend giving Halo: Cryptum a read
@MicroHelper the last of the forerunners created and activated the halo rings before the first flood infection got too far...thats why only the rings and the instillation/ai robots are the only ones left.
PLOT HOLE! In this footage it seems that guilty spark already tried to warn the covenant about the flood but the covenant wouldn't listen and got zombified. In Halo CE (original on xbox) in the level "The Library" guilty spark says; "I Conjecture that the other species on the installation is responsible for the release of the flood." A CONJECTURE means you thinks so but are not sure. In these cutscenes guilty spark is sure it's the covenant's fault. Thus a plot hole.
It's so much a plot hole. In the Lore of Halo, it is mentioned that Guilty Spark is unsure whether the Covenant released the Flood by accident or on purpose. Regardless they still did release the Flood. And of course the Covenant didn't listen.
HaloModder555 343 has always been of ambiguous sanity. When you consider Bungie's love for the idea of AIs going mad, it's quite possible he was already well on his way to loony tunes land. It's also possible that Guilty Spark deliberately obfuscated how much he knew, in case he should be held responsible by the reclaimer. Guilty Spark has done this before; in Halo 3 he 'forgets' to mention that it will be several days before the rebuilt installation 4 can be fired.
Also both the reapers and the forerunners (guilty spark and the forerunner voice in the halo 4 trailer) seem particularly interested in humans/reclaimers
343's lines also make sense now. " Tell your charge's to cease their efforts immediately. Quarantine must not be violated.(you must not release the flood)" Tell your Charges to cease all aggression to the Reclaimers, and leave this installation at once. "Construct, you are dangerously close to unleashing a force you cannot yet comprehend.(the Flood)"
@djcorbijn Uh, dude. The term "Reapers" is referring to the main villains of the Mass Effect trilogy. They're giant, semi-organic starships that harvest all life in the galaxy once every 50,000 years for the purposes of reproduction. Not entirely unlike the flood, only the Reapers do it on a cyclic basis; they've harvested galactic life for countless millenia. The ship that appears a little after the 11 minute mark looks similiar to one.
@medcsu It can't be anything at all related to the Covenant or its client races because it's about 60,000 years before the events of the Trilogy, in 60,000 years that race would advance and become Tier 0. Therefore it can't be anything we know of.
There were 12 original halos, created by the Greater Ark. All were destroyed in the Forerunner-Flood war except one-Installation 07, which joined the other 6, much smaller halos which were created by the lesser ark (the one featured in Halo 3) which were then fired against the flood by the Forerunners. Gotta read the Forerunner trilogy of books! They're great.
@seker406jt The AI would have formed a plan where the Flood gets released by the Covenant (possibly even directing them to the containment facility) and as a result it assumed that Halo would be fired to sterilise the infection, then it would be 'free'.
Dude, yes they can XD. The Flood only grows through sufficient biomass. The Reapers aren't composed of organic material (though they are created from it), meaning that they cannot be assimilated. The Flood also would only be able to use the technology of those they assimilated. The Reapers can already destroy all of that, so they can do it with Flood attached to it as well.
@Dooland1991 Cryptum didn't change anything. The origins of the Flood were never revealed before Cryptum, all we knew was that they appeared from beyond the Milky Way to the Forerunners.
In the books, it actually more or less hints at a covenant AI, or it could have been the engineers, i havent read first strike in a while, but its in that book, when they enter the covenant vessel
watching this a second time, i didnt realise he mentioned a forerunner ancient enemy who would know how to cure the flood i think its quite likly we will not only see the flood again (being used as weapons) but this enemy, as i think "he" was one of them (is one of them, 343 acted as if he knew he would still be alive)
IT could make sense, but imagine the destructive properties of a flood infected reaper? If that were to ever happen, an emergency activation of the Halos would be required.
@Eterna1Soldier Given that the Mantle means succumbing to the Flood, perhaps he has decided that it's time for humanity to take the Mantle and become one with the Precursors? I love the way Halo is going now, Bungie kept the story extremely simplistic before by keeping the Forerunner stuff in the background, but now Greg Bear has pushed Halo as close to hard sci-fi as it's going to get.
Dr Halsey, CPO Mendez, Saber team, Blue team, and cryo freezed Katana team are ask stuck inside of Onyx, a forerunner shield world. John isn't the last one. He's kiddy the only one present.
1) Humanity was the chosen race of the Precursors. They were meant to inherit the mantle but instead the forerunners siezed it. 2) It definitely has been confirmed that the primordial was a gravemind. What we don't know is whether this is an imitation of the precursors or the actual species. 3)This fits because the Mantle is essentially the idea of peace and unity in all things. Something that the flood claims to bring. :"There will be no more anger, no more sadness, no more envy."
Yes, the "original" Didact was killed. However, because he granted Bornstellar a brevet mutation before his death, giving him most (if not all) of his memories and physicality, Bornstellar has basically become his reincarnation. Even the Librarian, though she knew of these circumstances, looks upon Born as the true Didact now. So no, you're not exactly wrong, but the Didact is far from dead. He merely lives in a different form now.
@xRevan116x If you read the latest Book, Glasslands, Halsey, the SP2 and SP3 and Menedez does come out of Onyx and UNSC starts researching the tehcnology they found there.
Abject Testament sounded like The Didact as well. Maybe Abject Testament is a clone of the Didact in an AI form. But that would mean The Didact technically owns a Halo which technically means everything is screwed.
@seker406jt yer they knew becuase they preserves humans (aswell as other races such as the elites and grunts) on the ark, its not explained how we went from the ark back to our original planet, (this is going from halo legends) and they handed the mantle of reclamers down to us, and the moniters were supposed to be that message, but as you can tell over time his focus as slipped, so when everything happens he assumes we know our duty as reclamers and just instructs us to do it.
I love how the entire plot of Halo revolves around the Flood, but only like 5-10% of Halo gameplay has you fighting them... Its also kind of funny how no one really paid attention to the fact that the series almost has nothing to do with Halos anymore anyway... lol.
Ohhh I wonder what the "ancient enemy" referred to in the Halo 4 trailer is. I'm guessing at this point that it is the Didact. Damn you Halo Universe! Why are you so thrilling and interesting!?
I love how these terminals reference the Halo novels. The Forerunner Saga and Halo: The Flood. Keyes's final interrogation was described in detail in the novelization of the first game and this version was expanded to include Miranda. Guilty Spark knew the Didact, in fact he knew him in several different ways.
I also think that those blue Prometheans from the trailer are being controlled by this "Ur-Didact" mentioned in Silentium's description. Ur means original. He doesn't know the truth about the precursors like Bornstellar does - and regrets attacking humans. This might makenhim more o
@seker406jt The Construct is a human AI that has had its base code manipulated massively by the Covenant, turning it into something different almost entirely. It would have access to the Covenant's records on Halo and see that the whole Great Journey thing is a lie, giving it the ability to engineer a plan to use the Halos against the Covenant by having them release the Flood so inevitably the Ring would be activated, 'freeing' the AI of the Covenant's control. Do you see?
funny, I just imagined. Maybe the forerunners evacuated the galaxy were the flood were growing, activated the Halo rings and escaped into another. Later on, they created the Reapers in order to destroy organics that could serve as food for the flood. After all they never told us were the reapers came from.
It gets worse... That same scene is in the book, and in the book it tells you the only reason he can keep remembering his name and serial number is because of his neural implants--which Master Chief ends up punching through his skull to remove. Once he does, keyes starts to really fade out and let the flood take over, and THAT part is depressing :/
I know it's most likely a random Covenant AI, but it would make sense if it were Mendicant Bias because he is actually part of the Covenant mainframe at this time. When Cortana is placed in High Charity, the reason the security is so tough is because it's being run by Mendicant Bias. I was just saying that if it were something Forerunner (which it probably isn't), it's more likely to be Mendicant Bias than the Didact.
Promethean Knights, they are AI, different to the real Promethean Forerunners. Its possible they went into rampancy or got corrupted like Medicant Bias seeing as they turned orange, also, you can see blue Promethean Knights in the gameplay video possibly hinting at friendly and non-friendly Prometheans. And I doubt the Didact will be the main enemy because he is friendly and when the Cryptum was near MC they didnt engage and seemed friendly and as if they knew each other
"But what I would not give to have earned a single company of Prometheans here right now. They would most certainly restore order with their trademark lethality, although...that would mean he would have to be here, too. And without the Librarian around to temper his rage, well... These Reclaimers might almost prefer the Flood." God I cant wait to see the Didact (Hopefully) in Halo 4
@Baxtexx Yeah, ill find it on the net. I only read the firest six (contact harvest, the cole protocol, the fall of reach, the flood, first srtike, ghosts of onyx)
@0AlienFromUrAnus0 No, I mean like the third or fourth terminal were the "people" in the ship never Got out (long before the humans came inte the picture)
@jwmpine only tiny hints ..most of it is about the forerunners and 343's experience over hundreds of thousands of years watching over the ring. and of course that 343 was ordered to hold the flood spore and not destroy it ...and that each halo ring is operated by different caretakers like 343 but all have different personalities. am i the only one that actually understands the lore? -.-
@Flamerax1 No. Keyes' thoughts, knowledge and memories where absorbed by a ProtoGravemind. Thus, killing Keyes in the process. Much like the Brain Bug from Starship Troopers.
@5cmmmm Mendicant was corrupted BY the Gravemind/Timeless One, he did not become that individual. He seeks to atone for betraying the Forerunners by sending John to them at the end of Halo 3.
But it isn't truly only a machine, it is a synthetic. Synthetics are not only machines but they are also part organic. Thats the whole thing, the whole Reaper thing is that every cycle, the reapers harvest the universe to create more reapers.
What i dont get is if we learned from Captain Keyes is the fact that the covenant call the rings "Halo" why does 343 Guilty Spark calls it "Halo" also? In the other games it was called "Installation".
@ajw34307 continued -- that post(s) was writen at 4 in the morning in anger, i sait it more aggresivly then i should have, i was just a bit pissed about some of the stuff they changed, i do plan on reading the book now, and i will be able to make better judgement after that, but im just getting really worried about where 343 is going with all this, and believe me, i hope im completly wrong and they do turn out great
lol that mysterious ship is a Reaper from Mass Effect!
They're seen very briefly in the E3 2012 footage, around the time Cortana says "I will not allow you to leave this planet." Their appearance (at least as far as the faceplate goes) is notably different from the red/orange Prometheans.
what the flood was doing to keys is scary. it sounds like hell 0_0
I think Keyes had the saddest death through the whole series, to be tortured slowly...mentally....forced to forget everything while you die...to not have a single thing left
the phrases in brackets are what he believes is what is meant by the things said in the transmission. this is almost a hobby for most people, because many game developers leave massive gaps in background information for players to figure out, and many people find it fun to try and find this missing information. COD Zombies is one. hints can be found everywhere, and most likely some were from halo 4, seeing as 343 Industries developed the anniversary edition of the original Halo as well as Halo 4
So was the ship that crashed that Spark had to build a sarcophagus around Covenant? Or some other alien species?
It did appear to me to be a Covenant design when viewed from above.
I salute to you Keyes, what a strong brave man you were.
@DRisLegend200919 They're already making a fourth one, and it continues off from Halo Three.
@ThePopeba No, Offensive Bias split MB in to two pieces. One was held on the Ark, the other on a Keyship that arrived at Janjur Qom until it tore the top part of the planet off and was adapted into High Charity. There was no third fragment.
Also a single MAC round from an Orbital station can punch a hole straight through the entire Reaper fleet if they formed up in a long line.
The terminals are amazing. I actually cried during Keyes' assimilation. This gave me a lot of insight into Guilty Spark, too, and almost as much into the Forerunners themselves. Oh my god I can't wait for the next Greg Bear book. It can't come soon enough!
If you've heard the hidden speech in the Halo 2 soundtrack, which was practically confirmed to be the Forerunner AI; Mendicant Bias, you'd know that this AI, while sounding slightly like the Didact and seems connected to him, has the exact same voice as Bias, and could also be linked to him.
So, it's more likely Mendicant Bias than the Didact.
And people did serve the Didact. He was a legendary Promethean commander.
The Didact was a high-ranking Forerunner Promethean and supreme commander of the Forerunner military. His existence has been known since the Halo 3 Terminals, and he is a prominent character in the book series "The Forerunner Saga." Judging from what we've seen so far, he could possibly be the big bad guy of Halo 4 and its sequels -- which would make sense, given that the new enemies seen in the most recent trailers are confirmed Prometheans.
also it is interesting to point out that the main gun on the UNSC ships is called a MAC (Mass accelerator cannon) which works in similar proportion and idea to mass effect's cannons. Whats more, to those who do compare the two series, reapers would have had the capacity to destroy like the forerunners but instead choose to harvest sentient life and not infect it. Given the capabilities of the mass relays and such there is not true measurement of it all finally the ship designs are similar
@GunStreets The Precursors ARE the Flood, as Primordium reveals. The Flood was deemed as the perfect organism in the eyes of the Precursors, and the Mantle includes succumbing to the Flood. The Forerunners were judged to be unworthy, humanity's fate as Reclaimers is being tested by the Timeless One (revealed to be the Gravemind).
@Gubreez If you go with the Ancient Ancestry theory (noting things like the admittedly Rampant Guilty Spark telling Master Chief, "Last time, you asked me 'If it were up to me, would I do it?' Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer is unchanged."), one could imagine the Forerunner seeding Earth with nanotechnology to induce their chosen guardians, phrehistoric man, to evolve into the Forerunner genotype.
I think you are right about the Didact being the main antagonist of Halo 4. It was hinted at rather heavily in these terminals, don't you think? Especially the last few words.
049-Abject Testament has an awesome voice i wonder if we will ever see him in the halo games, Hopefully it shall be Halo 6
@Lastjedi53622 Guilty Spark is referencing the Librarian when he says "her". The Didact is the Librarian's husband (both Forerunners). I am still reading the books (Halo: The Forerunner Saga), and I'm still trying to figure out if "The Timeless One" is Gravemind. The one thing that bugs me is a reference to "Precursors", who are basically forerunners to the Forerunners. So be warned if you read the books, there are still lots of questions.
this just gets me excited for the next halo games. i love the story. Also the Keyes part was a total mindfuck but i love it
@Sevv9220 If you read the second book in the forerunner Saga near the end the book you find out that the flood was put there in space by the Primordial because he foresaw what humans would do with it. He knew they would experiment and morph it if you will. It says at the end of the book by the dictat that he could see he was nothing more than another Gravemind. This indicates a further, deeper connection as well.
@MartyZiinema
No, The Construct (Cortana is usally refered to construct in the games) is an Covenant AI i think, trying to crack the security systems for the containment doors were the Flodd were.
@irishmobster60 No, 343 is speaking of the Didact and the Librarian, two Forerunners that loved each other, but the Librarian stayed on earth when the Halo arrays were activated, killing her.
@Dooland1991 The Flood were sent into the Milky Way on ancient ships in the form of a white powdery substance, it displayed positive chemical changes on creatures, namely the Pheru (pets that humans and San'Shyuum kept). Over time, the Pheru became feral as the substance manifested inside them, they began growing irregular limbs and whatnot and eventually attacked their owners. Thus the Flood began to spread between humans and San'Shyuum, leading to the Human-Flood war.
@GunStreets No. Mendicant Bias:
A) Wasn't anywhere near Installation 04.
B) Was dormant aboard the Keyship on High Charity at the time.
C) Does not have the same appearance as the Construct.
D) Does not speak at all like the Construct.
E) Would not want the Flood released, nor the Halos to be fired again.
First Strike states that the Covenant sometimes steal damaged human AIs and rewrite their base code, forcing them into servitude. This is one of those AIs, it cannot be Mendicant.
@tornado9898 well not exactly... During the forerunner-human war, they humans were fighting not just the forerunners, but also the flood, which had evolved from a powder in a container they found in outer space.. The humans beat the flood almost completely, and had found the secret to destroying it, but in doing so, lost the war with the forerunners. Then the forerunners were investigating an old human colony and THEY released the flood. I read cryptum, and that's pretty much what I can remembe
I`ve read the books as well, but I was under the impression the Primordial was a former Precursor. From there I have 2 theories - when the Forerunners were going to annihilate the Precursors they unleashed the Flood on them (I`m not sure how the humans are involved). OR the Precursors saw the Flood as a perfect race and allowed themselves and the rest of the galaxy to be assimilated.
@ultrajd There were indeed 12 Halo Rings originally, but they were destroyed during the battle of the Capital and only 7 were able to be used for the final plan.
At the end he wishes he had a company of Prometheans (A noble class of the Warrior-Servant Forerunner rate from the distant past) to restore order to the ring. This could be alluding that maybe certain forerunners were protected from the rings effects in a ark (possibly the blue thing from the Halo 4 teaser). This would be interesting to have these forerunners fight humanity to activate the rings and destroy all traces of the flood, and repeat the universe cleansing process once again.
A week late, and missing a terminal. Well done shitGN, wouldn't expect any better -_-
@ZacMacTV I read he 1st Forerunner book, and I think it said any thing the flood could feed on. Plus the Flood started in Dogs. I think it was Dogs.
min 11:40-15:22 Holy fuck that song is from the halo 2 main menu, and that song gives me a very indescribable feeling, very nostalgic, I kinda feel sad, its like a heavy heart feeling. I miss those old good days playing halo 2 in LAN-party's with friends and my big brothers every Friday or Saturday from 6-7pm to 3-4am or even till dawn and my mom getting mad at my big brother for taking me back home at such time because I was just a 13 years old kid haha. good very good old days.
and the only way he can be stoped is with the librarian's help. This is the is the greatest game storyline ever. It's so complex that my head starting to hurt from trying to comprehend it.
The Covenant AI that Spark was talking to: "You must cease all acts of aggression against the Reclaimers." Spark refers to it simply as 'construct'.
@seker406jt Reclaimers are beings who have inherited what is known as 'the Mantle', guardianship of life in the universe. It was the belief of the Forrunners (as you put it, the "humanoids in cool outfits") that they had inherited the mantle from the Precursors, after the Halos fired they passed the Mantle down to humanity, making us Reclaimers.
@MyColonelSanders The original Halo was made great not only by its gameplay, but also by its story. Halo, as a series, has a deeper canon than most RPGs. That is one of the things that makes it worth playing. Halo 3 had terminals too. You just had to read them yourself.
@seker406jt no idea what the others are talking about, the 12 halos came from the forerunners and the floody came from i believe Cryptum (i cant remember the planet name for sure, but it was just on that planet but it used the forerunner ships to start spredding everywhere, if i remember right you can find out more about this from the Termials in halo 3 (i think thats where i read it) here is the origins story,
also it does explain how they got from the ark /watch?v=iInV1ov9Pw4
The present day for those games don't line up, but both universes date back hundreds of thousands of years, even longer. The Reapers in Mass Effect have been around for millions of years.
The confrontation between Guilty Spark and the AI of Truth and Reconciliation is chilling.
Basically, the Covenant use only semisentient AI (likely as the Prophets are rightfully worried about what a sentient one would learn.) The parenthetical part isn't just a theory; T&R's AI managed to become fully sentient and figured out exactly what would happen to the Covenant--and is letting it happen anyway.
"and without the Librarian around to temper his rage, well these reclaimers might almost prefer the flood" omg the Didact is going to be a badass in Halo 4 lol
@firewallednonspeaker Correct. 5 were destroyed before they reached their firing position throughout the galaxy. I recommend giving Halo: Cryptum a read
@MicroHelper the last of the forerunners created and activated the halo rings before the first flood infection got too far...thats why only the rings and the instillation/ai robots are the only ones left.
PLOT HOLE!
In this footage it seems that guilty spark already tried to warn the covenant about the flood but the covenant wouldn't listen and got zombified.
In Halo CE (original on xbox) in the level "The Library" guilty spark says;
"I Conjecture that the other species on the installation is responsible for the release of the flood."
A CONJECTURE means you thinks so but are not sure. In these cutscenes guilty spark is sure it's the covenant's fault. Thus a plot hole.
It's called "retcon". It's Microsoft's favorite literary tool.
It's so much a plot hole. In the Lore of Halo, it is mentioned that Guilty Spark is unsure whether the Covenant released the Flood by accident or on purpose. Regardless they still did release the Flood.
And of course the Covenant didn't listen.
also, Guilty Spark is an unstable and malfunctioning AI
cpillarie
No, he's not.
He was stable in Halo: CE before these stupid Terminal videos were added to Halo: Cartoon Edition Adventure.
HaloModder555
343 has always been of ambiguous sanity. When you consider Bungie's love for the idea of AIs going mad, it's quite possible he was already well on his way to loony tunes land.
It's also possible that Guilty Spark deliberately obfuscated how much he knew, in case he should be held responsible by the reclaimer. Guilty Spark has done this before; in Halo 3 he 'forgets' to mention that it will be several days before the rebuilt installation 4 can be fired.
Also both the reapers and the forerunners (guilty spark and the forerunner voice in the halo 4 trailer) seem particularly interested in humans/reclaimers
Keyes was a complete badass , he went out like a hero.
343's lines also make sense now.
" Tell your charge's to cease their efforts immediately. Quarantine must not be violated.(you must not release the flood)"
Tell your Charges to cease all aggression to the Reclaimers, and leave this installation at once.
"Construct, you are dangerously close to unleashing a force you cannot yet comprehend.(the Flood)"
@djcorbijn Uh, dude. The term "Reapers" is referring to the main villains of the Mass Effect trilogy. They're giant, semi-organic starships that harvest all life in the galaxy once every 50,000 years for the purposes of reproduction. Not entirely unlike the flood, only the Reapers do it on a cyclic basis; they've harvested galactic life for countless millenia. The ship that appears a little after the 11 minute mark looks similiar to one.
@medcsu It can't be anything at all related to the Covenant or its client races because it's about 60,000 years before the events of the Trilogy, in 60,000 years that race would advance and become Tier 0. Therefore it can't be anything we know of.
There were 12 original halos, created by the Greater Ark. All were destroyed in the Forerunner-Flood war except one-Installation 07, which joined the other 6, much smaller halos which were created by the lesser ark (the one featured in Halo 3) which were then fired against the flood by the Forerunners. Gotta read the Forerunner trilogy of books! They're great.
@seker406jt The AI would have formed a plan where the Flood gets released by the Covenant (possibly even directing them to the containment facility) and as a result it assumed that Halo would be fired to sterilise the infection, then it would be 'free'.
Dude, yes they can XD. The Flood only grows through sufficient biomass. The Reapers aren't composed of organic material (though they are created from it), meaning that they cannot be assimilated. The Flood also would only be able to use the technology of those they assimilated. The Reapers can already destroy all of that, so they can do it with Flood attached to it as well.
@Dooland1991 Cryptum didn't change anything. The origins of the Flood were never revealed before Cryptum, all we knew was that they appeared from beyond the Milky Way to the Forerunners.
In the books, it actually more or less hints at a covenant AI, or it could have been the engineers, i havent read first strike in a while, but its in that book, when they enter the covenant vessel
watching this a second time, i didnt realise he mentioned a forerunner ancient enemy who would know how to cure the flood
i think its quite likly we will not only see the flood again (being used as weapons) but this enemy, as i think "he" was one of them (is one of them, 343 acted as if he knew he would still be alive)
IT could make sense, but imagine the destructive properties of a flood infected reaper? If that were to ever happen, an emergency activation of the Halos would be required.
god damn it. I was trying to overule you but your metaphor stands as a really good argument.
It is unreal how much that downed ship looks like a Reaper. Wouldn't it be something if, somehow, Mass Effect and Halo are connected?
jacob keyes darn flood if he didint die he would be in halo 2 halo 3 halo 4 HALO 5
@Eterna1Soldier Given that the Mantle means succumbing to the Flood, perhaps he has decided that it's time for humanity to take the Mantle and become one with the Precursors? I love the way Halo is going now, Bungie kept the story extremely simplistic before by keeping the Forerunner stuff in the background, but now Greg Bear has pushed Halo as close to hard sci-fi as it's going to get.
Dr Halsey, CPO Mendez, Saber team, Blue team, and cryo freezed Katana team are ask stuck inside of Onyx, a forerunner shield world. John isn't the last one. He's kiddy the only one present.
1) Humanity was the chosen race of the Precursors. They were meant to inherit the mantle but instead the forerunners siezed it.
2) It definitely has been confirmed that the primordial was a gravemind. What we don't know is whether this is an imitation of the precursors or the actual species.
3)This fits because the Mantle is essentially the idea of peace and unity in all things. Something that the flood claims to bring.
:"There will be no more anger, no more sadness, no more envy."
I mean i already liked the halo universe but with those terminals and the whole HALO 4 I fucking love it.
Lesson that was learned from these videos:
Captain Keyes and The Didact were badass.
Listen to their voices. The construct seems to be connected to the Didact, perhaps based on him, or a fragment of his mind.
Yes, the "original" Didact was killed. However, because he granted Bornstellar a brevet mutation before his death, giving him most (if not all) of his memories and physicality, Bornstellar has basically become his reincarnation. Even the Librarian, though she knew of these circumstances, looks upon Born as the true Didact now. So no, you're not exactly wrong, but the Didact is far from dead. He merely lives in a different form now.
Ive wondered the same thing. It states it kills its food and starves it. It could also be interpreted as its kills them as well as all other life.
@Dooland1991 343 really didn't change all of this. Most of the forerunner canon was established by the books and the comics.
@xRevan116x
If you read the latest Book, Glasslands, Halsey, the SP2 and SP3 and Menedez does come out of Onyx and UNSC starts researching the tehcnology they found there.
Abject Testament sounded like The Didact as well. Maybe Abject Testament is a clone of the Didact in an AI form. But that would mean The Didact technically owns a Halo which technically means everything is screwed.
I HAVE BEEEN WAITING FOR THIS !
Wow. I thought this game was JUST a remake. Totally going to buy it tomorrow.
@seker406jt yer they knew becuase they preserves humans (aswell as other races such as the elites and grunts) on the ark, its not explained how we went from the ark back to our original planet, (this is going from halo legends) and they handed the mantle of reclamers down to us, and the moniters were supposed to be that message, but as you can tell over time his focus as slipped, so when everything happens he assumes we know our duty as reclamers and just instructs us to do it.
@illuvitarv5 The symbol shown at 24:28 is the symbol for the Didact. So I'm guessing that he at least has something to do with Halo 4.
I love how the entire plot of Halo revolves around the Flood, but only like 5-10% of Halo gameplay has you fighting them... Its also kind of funny how no one really paid attention to the fact that the series almost has nothing to do with Halos anymore anyway... lol.
Ohhh I wonder what the "ancient enemy" referred to in the Halo 4 trailer is. I'm guessing at this point that it is the Didact.
Damn you Halo Universe! Why are you so thrilling and interesting!?
I love how these terminals reference the Halo novels. The Forerunner Saga and Halo: The Flood. Keyes's final interrogation was described in detail in the novelization of the first game and this version was expanded to include Miranda.
Guilty Spark knew the Didact, in fact he knew him in several different ways.
I also think that those blue Prometheans from the trailer are being controlled by this "Ur-Didact" mentioned in Silentium's description. Ur means original. He doesn't know the truth about the precursors like Bornstellar does - and regrets attacking humans. This might makenhim more o
@seker406jt The Construct is a human AI that has had its base code manipulated massively by the Covenant, turning it into something different almost entirely. It would have access to the Covenant's records on Halo and see that the whole Great Journey thing is a lie, giving it the ability to engineer a plan to use the Halos against the Covenant by having them release the Flood so inevitably the Ring would be activated, 'freeing' the AI of the Covenant's control. Do you see?
funny, I just imagined. Maybe the forerunners evacuated the galaxy were the flood were growing, activated the Halo rings and escaped into another. Later on, they created the Reapers in order to destroy organics that could serve as food for the flood. After all they never told us were the reapers came from.
It gets worse... That same scene is in the book, and in the book it tells you the only reason he can keep remembering his name and serial number is because of his neural implants--which Master Chief ends up punching through his skull to remove. Once he does, keyes starts to really fade out and let the flood take over, and THAT part is depressing :/
I know it's most likely a random Covenant AI, but it would make sense if it were Mendicant Bias because he is actually part of the Covenant mainframe at this time. When Cortana is placed in High Charity, the reason the security is so tough is because it's being run by Mendicant Bias.
I was just saying that if it were something Forerunner (which it probably isn't), it's more likely to be Mendicant Bias than the Didact.
MegaMadman64 is there a wiki for this?
Promethean Knights, they are AI, different to the real Promethean Forerunners. Its possible they went into rampancy or got corrupted like Medicant Bias seeing as they turned orange, also, you can see blue Promethean Knights in the gameplay video possibly hinting at friendly and non-friendly Prometheans. And I doubt the Didact will be the main enemy because he is friendly and when the Cryptum was near MC they didnt engage and seemed friendly and as if they knew each other
damn you grave mind,(halo2) gravemind was holding 2401 pentant oracle/care taker
but his voice was like oracle 343 voice
@ASwiftHippie I retract a previous statement seeing that I have taken something out of context. My dearest apologies to you sir.
@phil360x Yes, that was actually established in Halo 3 though.
"But what I would not give to have earned a single company of Prometheans here right now. They would most certainly restore order with their trademark lethality, although...that would mean he would have to be here, too. And without the Librarian around to temper his rage, well... These Reclaimers might almost prefer the Flood."
God I cant wait to see the Didact (Hopefully) in Halo 4
@Baxtexx Yeah, ill find it on the net. I only read the firest six (contact harvest, the cole protocol, the fall of reach, the flood, first srtike, ghosts of onyx)
They didn't include the secret terminal that one shows how guilty spark met the Heretics that you fight in Halo 2 when you become the Arbiter
you would also have to look at the Precursors as well
@0AlienFromUrAnus0
No, I mean like the third or fourth terminal were the "people" in the ship never Got out (long before the humans came inte the picture)
@jwmpine only tiny hints ..most of it is about the forerunners and 343's experience over hundreds of thousands of years watching over the ring.
and of course that 343 was ordered to hold the flood spore and not destroy it ...and that each halo ring is operated by different caretakers like 343 but all have different personalities.
am i the only one that actually understands the lore? -.-
When capt Keyes said "you will not have me!" "we already do" that part was sad
The flood sounded alot like the Borg I was expecting it to say "we are the flood prepare to be assimilated resistance is futile"
@Flamerax1 No. Keyes' thoughts, knowledge and memories where absorbed by a ProtoGravemind. Thus, killing Keyes in the process. Much like the Brain Bug from Starship Troopers.
@5cmmmm Mendicant was corrupted BY the Gravemind/Timeless One, he did not become that individual. He seeks to atone for betraying the Forerunners by sending John to them at the end of Halo 3.
But it isn't truly only a machine, it is a synthetic. Synthetics are not only machines but they are also part organic. Thats the whole thing, the whole Reaper thing is that every cycle, the reapers harvest the universe to create more reapers.
What i dont get is if we learned from Captain Keyes is the fact that the covenant call the rings "Halo" why does 343 Guilty Spark calls it "Halo" also? In the other games it was called "Installation".
It's just the way he said it, he made it seem like there were 12 others that got shut down
@TheUnknown285 Yeah, like Mass Effect being the humans before extinction.
@ajw34307 continued -- that post(s) was writen at 4 in the morning in anger, i sait it more aggresivly then i should have, i was just a bit pissed about some of the stuff they changed, i do plan on reading the book now, and i will be able to make better judgement after that, but im just getting really worried about where 343 is going with all this, and believe me, i hope im completly wrong and they do turn out great