F-16 'gives Ukrainians a real air advantage over Russia' | Maj. Gen. Rupert Jones
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- "The F-16 can see much further than the Russian aircraft on on offer, and it can strike more readily. It has a simpler engagement methodology. So it starts to give the Ukrainians a real air advantage over the Russians."
F-16's will give Ukraine a major advantage on the ground but it could be too late, Maj. Gen. Rupert Jones tells #timesradio
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There are several veteran F-16 pilots from around the world that are ready to fight in Ukraine-- minimal training required because they are veteran F-16 pilots with thousands of flight hours.
Suicide missions are not their top priority!
Well
as I read the Americans , been asked to sell about 50 of them in a. " private "..air force ..!
The return of the Flying Tigers.
@@TheLAGopher Exactly. Form that squadron now.
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I think the most important aspect of F-16's for Ukraine is that it opens up a MUCH larger portion of the NATO equipment catalog to Ukraine as possible future donations. So much of NATO capability is air delivered and until now has been unavailable to this effort. Whether it is radar jamming pods for aid in SEAD and DEAD operations, long range air to air missiles for air superiority and missile defense, or just to deliver glide bombs and cruise missiles, the stumbling block in the way was always the lack of Western NATO capable aircraft. It was why we were scrounging to get old Soviet ammunition and gear from everywhere else on the planet until now.
Yep - hugely increased SEAD capabilities for a start.
@@GARDENER42 Imagine if they had two F16's with ALQ167 jamming pods while a dozen others Falcons with HARMS lit up every air defense system from Armiansk to Mariupol. The mayhem would be glorious.
It could also bring Combined Effects Munitions (CEM) and Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD) into the fight. (I assume GATOR is a non-starter for political reasons) These were both designed specifically for this class of warfare, against this target set, in this environment. And then there is JSOW, JAASM, and JAASM-ER to compliment JDAM and Paveway III. Add in exquisite targeting, and the impact could be significant, to say the least. Is there an ADA threat? Of course there is, but these systems were designed to work together for multiple kills per mission, with weapon deployment over the horizon (OTH) during initial SEAD strikes. Many on UA-cam tend to think in terms of one system vs. another, which just isn't how these were designed to work.
putin, again, gettin slap in the face and just crying like a baby
Let's just pretend Russia overtakes Ukraine. Now in Russian control. Now they access to all if these NATO weapons, jets, Patriots etc... is that good? Or if Ukraine becomes hostile to NATO in the future? Something to consider
Remember, its cheaper to fund Ukraine than to fight a war on your own soil!
so - you think that Russia is going to send its troops to occupy USA
And probably cheaper to get it done with sooner rather than later.
An excellent return/investment considering US support is only about 2% of its defence budget IIRC.
Yes well Russia claims it is fighting Nato and yet refuses to attack Nato countries like cowards, Russia only tries to attack and annex its smaller neighbours.
@@elbibwen3019 I think Putin planned to go after Lithuania next, which would mean NATO ground troops fighting Russian ground troops.
Since we have seen the Russian troops in action, we know the NATO troops would be in St. Petersburg the next day, at which point Putin uses nukes.
So yeah, better to give Ukraine everything they need.
When you start a war
You must not cry when the defenders fight back
…but that’s exactly what russia does. The bully that cries
Then do not cry when they start to use nukes
@@skymaster4121 idiotic
@@sasababic4016 That's MAD!!! 🤣🤣🤣Little Russia isn't using nukes any time soon.
Wow so your logic is welp they lost a war that they started so they have the right to go nuclear. You know the good thing about having an enemy that will nuke u for such things is having them as well. I don't think putler will invoke MAD over him not getting his way and stealing Ukraine from their rightful owners.
Who's to say that Ukrainian pilots (and volunteers ) haven't already been training? Not the sort of thing the whole world needs to know? Might make for a nice surprise for the Russians during the counter offensive if F-16s are overhead.
The first Ukrainian pilots went to the test training facility in March. Now unless there is more going on than is publicly available we are talking about 2-12 pilots and simulator training only. This was essentially evaluation training to figure out how long it would take to train Ukrainian pilots.
Still, that is a few guys with a lot of simulator hours who probably wouldn't take much to finish training.
Looks like 4 months is the "conversion" time to turn Ukrainian Mig pilots into F16 pilots.
Wife and I agree
What difference would F-16s overhead make? Sorry, I just don't see it. Sure, they can fly around for a while, until their fuel runs out, they can maybe shoot down another plane or two, and then what? Big bombers like B-52s might make a difference, but what good is a fighter jet? They are going to make the Russians withdraw from lands that have been their homes for hundreds of years? They are just going to walk away because they saw some planes flying overhead? Or because they lost a plane or two? Russia is a huge country, they have tons of planes, and tons of pilots. It's not going to make any difference on the ground. At least that I can see. The Russians know that the "west" doesn't have the fuel necessary to supply any long-term effective air campaign. They'll just wait it out and then continue with what they were doing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@mikeincalifornia A move from attrition warfare to manoeuvre warfare is what the Ukrainians need against the larger manpower of Russia. Providing significant air support is a vital component of this.
@@mikeincalifornia F16's are strike fighters. I expect them to strike critical command and logistics infrastructure that is currently beyond artillery range. Plus a few bombs on the Kerch bridge to top it all of.
My woman was in the air raid shelters last night in Dnipro. Slava Ukraine. Gallows for Putin 😊😊
Did You give a Decent Humane Thought to the Civilians of Donetsk and Luhansk who were in Cellars for Eight Years because Yous Surrendered Your Country to the
US/HATO and the EU Masters before Russia said "Enough" last Year
Anybody reading Your comment should watch ALL of the
"Anna Touve Story" if they have any Decency and Courage at all
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@@harrymcghee282 lol you've been greedily munching from the propaganda troth haven't you, what a ridiculous comment
@@NinjaBenification Gay Boy lol
@@harrymcghee282 how many civilians were killed in the Donbas by Ukrainian artillery between 2014 and 2021? ~4k
How many ethnic Russian civilians were killed by Russian artillery in just Mariupol in 2022? ~80k
But I guess the deaths of ethnic Russians don't matter to you if they don't support Putin?
I'm not sure people realise that the slow-walking of capabilities across these thresholds is essentially the salami tactic. Just like in Yes, (Prime?) Minister, Hacker was asked, at which point he would launch the nukes if Warsaw Pact tanks rolled over the border and took ground one slice at a time, and found out he'd be giving up territory all the way to the Channel without launching, Russia is now in similar situation WRT those thresholds. By not immediately going all-in, the West has made any Russian ABC or full mobilisation or some other big response completely disproportionate for any such crossing. The previous status quo was already "accepted", so any response would only be to the last development.
Whether it is intentional strategy, lucky reluctance or cowardice, or whatever on part of the West, it has actually worked in blunting the threat of nuclear war. That is not to say that Putin couldn't just go crazy and order the attack, but he would now have a very difficult time convincing the very serious people you put in charge of those weapons that such attack would be a sane idea, because he has been at it for over a year now and, while there has been movement from the West, none of it has been sudden ramping up that could be interpreted as an actual existential attack. Any serious officer in the command chain will ask why holding on to Ukranian conquest would be an existential problem for Russia and not just an indication that the top guy has started to seriously lack judgement and is just trying to hold on to his power.
Notice how few countries not on the actively pro Ukraine side make a real fuss about Ukraine being supplied these weapons. If we went straight in with the tanks and F-16s I think it could have helped Russia gain support. Instead Moscow makes stink and it's quickly forgotten about.
Putin won't launch nukes.
He is afraid of germs to the point his tables are several meters long. He afraid to die, it's obvious.
If he launches nukes, he'll probably die deep in his bunker along with millions of Russians.
He knows China won't help in any realistic way, nor India or Iran.
If Putin were smart, he would declare victory. He can say most of the Nazi's are gone. And start withdrawing his troops. He can ask Ukraine for a few tanks so he can have a parade!
Yeah, too many people forget that any Russian decision to launch nukes is essentially "we are ok with everyone in Moscow and St Petersburg dying to stop this."
I doubt anyone in the nuclear chain of command below Putin would regard losing Ukraine as a reason to lose Moscow.
are you a master in primary UK school it is obvious you are get back to bed kid , time to sleep
JB is cannier than he looks, and I am sure this was a deliberate strategy..
3:43 I also find it such a remarkable contrast that Zelenskyy is out and about meeting with world leaders in person, while Putin is forced to hide like a rat.
He's visiting his bosses, he goes where he's told and does what he's told.
Well, Putin isn't "forced" to hide in bunkers. He choosed it,because he's afraid of everything bad what could happen to him. He has the paranoia just like Stalin had, but Stalin shot everyone not following his orders or becoming too big besides him.
Putin is a paranoid schizophrenic and should be in a mental hospital and not allowed to be in control of Russia spitting out propaganda lies to keep support for HIS WAR.
@@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl Putin has followed Stalin's example killing anyone who might take over.
@@servedchilled11hahahahaa what you smoking? Can I have some 😂😂
I love that this gorgeous plane that's 50 years old is still such an effective lady.
The true Vecchia Signora lol
Training of Ukrainian combat pilots has already started. The US has stated it will take 4 months to train them given their combat experience. The full logistics train already operates up to the Ukrainian border with Poland and Romania who are F16 users. The Dutch, Danish and Belgian F16s need software upgrading to a single standard. The logistics train now it needs to be extended across Ukraine and runways bases massively protected.
To be honest, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ukrainian pilots had been training in Western nations for months already.
The Germans did announce they are sending 4 additional IRIS systems.
Dutch, Belgian and Danish F-16 are all very much comparable. All got the mayor ML-update, and progressed from there. also, not insignificant: all are end of life, with replacements already procured and in process of delivery (F-35). these jets can't be sold, since they are end of life, and their current users will run out of use for them soon...
@@kurtkesters6043 Norway transferred its F16s last year to Romania. Similar status. A good temporary solution as Ukraine standardises on US aircraft as did Poland 20 years ago.
@@kurtkesters6043Seems horribly fitting that, at the end of their projected service lives, these aircraft might be about to get used in something close to the role they were designed for.
Ukraine should have longer range missiles to destroy Orc missile factories.
Wouldn't Russia just destroy the factories of which ever country sent them?
You know Russia has the worlds largest arsenal of atomic weapons, right?
And the Kremlin.
Cope harder girl
@@lani6647 None of them work. Like Lada automobiles.
We stood together and won WWI.
We stood together and won WWII.
We stood together and won The Cold War.
We must stand together and defend Ukraine.
@@Dhouston1125 when Russia fought side by side with the nazis at the start of ww2 we should have dealt with them
This time we are on the wrong side 😂😂😂
Good luck with that. It's the equivalent of supporting Mexico to defeat America.
No need to "stand with" Nazis
I'm just wondering who the WE are? Look at any of the wars and WE certainly weren't all on the same side by any means!
@@janewilkin1984if you're writing from the Kremlin, yes, you're on the wrong side.
Great analysis as always. The idea actually started in the Netherlands and we are going to deliver them to the heroes in Ukraine. UK has no F16s but they are organising the training.
IIRC, originally they were going to get F-16s and the US was going to replace them with F-35s for the donor countries. And they also wanted the US to replace any Mig-29 given by former Soviet countries with shiny new US aircraft. That was the proposal, anyway. That was not charity by Europe. It was very much a win/win proposition.
Everyone is prepared to offload the F16 so they can rearm with the newer better F35 nothing to do with making Ukraine better protected. Its the first time the USA has given permission to allow a third party sale or gift and everyone is taking advantage of it.
Agreed.. Europe and the US took too long to get their act together. A definative decision should have been made months ago. I sit here and wonder why daily we all hold back to a weaker enemy. Fear does nothing. Make your stand. Show your strength and this could have been already over.
I hate to be the negative voice here but it's not over because Russia hasn't been attrited enough for the West and NATO to be willing to end it. As you said, this war could have been over already. At the beginning of the war when the Russians didn't even have enough diesel to reach Kiev they could have been wiped out even by switchblade drones.
We also have to understand that before this war Ukraine wasn't on the best of terms with the rest of Europe. Europe isn't talking about it now, but they weren't happy with the treatment of Russians in the east of Ukraine and probably other human rights issues. I'm not trying to justify what Russia has done and is doing. I very much think this was purely a land grab by Russia and human rights was just an excuse. But neither of these countries were considered "the good guys" before this started.
We know the west doesn't want boots on the ground or NATO country flagged equipment in the battle. Add to that I'm sure there was, and possibly still is, some hesitation to give Ukraine too much tech. Remember that in many militaries in the world there is a huge black market for goods and equipment. I'm not so sure that the Ukraine military is as squeaky clean as it needs to be to get the best stuff. I'll be curious to see exactly how hi-tech these F-16s really are. Giving them the Patriot system was surprising to me.
@@Relayer6aPoo-tin is using western hesitation to continue his genocidal tour. This needs to end with a neutered ruZZia. They're well on their way...
It is also noticeable that both India and China let Zelensky fly through their airspace
So ?
@@Ridethebomb777 They are both rather more pro-Putin than most other countries, let alone G7 countries and to demonstrate that fact neither have imposed sanctions on Russia. It is therefore at the very least interesting that they had no objection to Zelensky flying through their airspace on the way to a summit of the countries leading the support to Ukraine and the sanctions against Russia.
you mean russia let zelensky that jew puppet clown to fly - was he going to play the piano with his member or was he wearing high heels and leather again??
Last time I looked China and India aren't at war with Ukraine. So what point are you trying to make
Because they're not as fanatic idiots as USA and Nato nations alike.
Lots of Russian Trolls here....The FACT is that even older F-16s have a substantially better Radar than most Russian front line fighters. This isn't about swirling dogfights...it's about the ability for F-16s to see, track and lock-on from a longer distance than the Russian Aircraft are capable of...First to see, First to shoot wins. Also, they have much better stand-off ability to drop a wide variety of precision munitions on distant ground targets as well. Meanwhile, Ukraine can still use their older MIGs, etc to conduct missions that suit their current capabilities and limitations. Simply put: More Ukrainian aircraft will survive....more Russians will die.
Everyone who disagrees with the idiotic behaviour of our leaders in the West is a Russian troll ??? That is quite an amazing proclamation. You sound like a tin hat dictator wanting to put down opinions that don't coincide with your own so you label them as traitors and trolls.
These FACTS you are claiming are complete nonsense, while the f16 is a great airframe they will be operating at a severe disadvantage in Ukraine, Russian Air to Air missiles massively out range anything that the small and light f16 could possibly field (Russia has confirmed kills of over 200km in Ukraine). If Ukraine does receive F16s they will never be allowed anywhere near the front and will be used exclusively to fire standoff cruise missiles from outside of Russian su35 su57 range and will not see any air to air combat.
If you are gonna be dropping FACTS try know what you are talking about first
@@francisyockey8225 Plus I believe that only 2 F16's are going to be provided
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2 F-16s would be worth the effort to send.
@@francisyockey8225
Those long range Russian air to air kills have primarly come from the MIG 31 using it's massive radar to lotter over Russian territory
and perform look down shoot down missions on Ukrainian aircraft flying low to operate close to the border underneith the detection
envelope of the S-400.
Soon the Ukrainians will have a similar air ground team based around the Patriot air defense system,the F-16, (and its just a matter of time)
some form of AWACs capability within the UAF,likely a few donated E2 Hawkeyes from the US and France.
Good one!
Blessings, peace and luck from California to Ukraine 🙏🙏✌🍀💙💛
it's rarely enjoyable to be told by someone else what you need, especially, if you're trying to sort this out. the difference between 'the experts' opinions is stark. give them the planes they want, more than they need. it's a massive war that's been going on on europe's border, with cultural and business friends of europe. not enough is being done.
We heard the same about Leopard tanks, but nothing changed since
What happened to those tanks, and the Challengers. They seem to have vanished. I wonder how many of them even function.
"Jack of all trades, master of none, is often better than a master of one".
The F-16 is the Swiss army knife of fighter jet. It it's just kitted out with air to air missiles and no extra fuel tanks or sensor pods it's a deadly quick and agile little fighter that can easily go up against Russia's latest Suhois (the Su-57 only exist on paper) and it will absolutely blow MiGs out of the skies. If it's kitted out with ground scanning IR pods and SDBs it's a capable close air support air craft with a very low turn radius and low-enough stall speed. If it's kitted out with radar detection/jamming pods and anti-radiation missiles its a capable SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) fighter. In the latest upgrade block it can detect enemy aircraft of all types, and engage them, far beyond visual range.
Ukraine can also use quite a few of the A-10 Warthogs for ground support. Just pointing out the obvious. Also the F-16 is getting a RADAR upgrade that extends its range further.
The problem with the A-10 is that it's too vulnerable against MANPADS and attack helicopters. It's the sexiest "win even more" plane in the world, and probably among the biggest psychological terror weapons after nukes. If Ukraine ever degrades Russia to the point where A-10s can fly freely and help clear trenches the war will already be over....
No one can have A 10s but USA.
Look what Israel does with a relatively small number of F16's.
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It is common knowledge here where I live that Ukrainian pilots are being trained on F-16's. Many pilots from many different countries come here to learn the F-16. Locally you know something is up by the flying schedule of the planes around the valley. Flying at night and on Saturdays and Sundays is an obvious 'tell'. Normally they never do that.
U live in the states or? I thought training would mainly be in UK (who doesn't have F16 tho), and US. But NL & BE, Poland etc wanna train too. I hope Ukraine gets a 100 F16 :)
@@bekeneel You know, I do feel some sympathy for the Russians that don't want this war but are stuck with it because of putin. All the casualties on both sides for what? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about the history of the Russian Ukraine bad blood other than it's gone on for centuries. My wish would be for Russia to become an a world leader and economic powerhouse using their own merit. They definitely have what it takes but when the wealth earned by the sweat of the common man gets bled off to feed the oligarchs then what's happening now is what you get. I feel sorry for the mothers and families of the fallen soldiers on both sides.
Glory to Ukraine 👍💪🙏🤘
If Russia fears a 50 year old plane, imagine if Ukraine had the F35s…
its not the same as when it was first released its a platform that allows upgrade after upgrade. go stand in a field with your gun and see how you feel when a bunch of latest f16s come at you they can see further ahead than the Russia 4th gen planes that the Ukrainians have. they are fast. F35s only work in a group and are not that quick at all and cost a fortune and the infrastructure and command required to fly a group effectively is staggeringly complicated
It's the smart weapons you can get delivered by it
I am astonished, impressed and amazed at the ingenuity of Ukraine building weapons and systems, and using weapons in very unconventional ways. I saw a video a couple weeks ago of some guys who had figured out how to use 40mm grenade rounds as mortars.
A possible 100 x F16 for ukraine, but talk that it may take another year is just crazy. Ukraine needs these now. Yet more Ukrainian lives lost because the west is not on the same page. Uk has no F16 to supply so its very much down to everyone else to do it. The comment that there are vetran F16 pilots ? They would all be needed i guess with interpreters to assist. It takes four months to learn the f16 according to the experts, so the sooner the vetrans are teaching the Ukrainians, the quicker we may see the Ukraine making headway.
It takes years to train pilots on advanced aircraft. If foreign pilots are used they will be treated as mercenaries.
It’s my belief Ukrainian pilots have already been in training for months, but for obvious strategic advantage it’s been under close wraps. All part of the trap, leading the enemy into a false sense of security. But it’s just a theory!
I hope so! That would be a nasty surprise for the Orcs. 😆👍🇺🇦
I don't know if I just entered a parallel universe but Ukrainians receiving F16 training is months old now. They were already training on F16s without guarantee of F16 deliveries afaik.
Agreed. In fact, last year the USA congress voted 100 million dollars to spend on Ukranian pilot and crew training specifically for the F~16.
A film theory! And scene
They have been down at Luke AFB in Arizona for a while. That is a USAFs training command.
Where r the warthogs to support infantry?
Obsolete in the era of Manpads and sophisicated field air defenses,
He looks like a cyber man with those headphones
It took a while but NATO really saved Ukraine. This was the last piece to the puzzle. Now as the ground firms up they'll be ready to take back their territory
their territory???
слава Україні
slava Ukrayini
Glory to the DPR and LPR
Slava Russia fae Scotland
Politicians always stand in the way of victory.
Why dont we hear about the tanks and whether they have a good effect on the battlefield
I dont understand why so many, including USA been so reluctant. Us Brits have been better than most. Longe range missiles and F 16's should have been given ages ago. Delays costing lives. Many.
If u remember a Turkish F16 shot down a Russian fighter boomer that crossed into the country a few years back
Only one NATO country has retired all of it's F16 fleet, and that is Norway.
Doesn't really matter. Most other wealthy countries operating them are already taking the first deliveries of F-35s, so it's not like they're going to be in short demand. Many NATO operators also have a good deal more than what they've pledged to their NATO Readiness Agreement.
"When we arrive in Baghdad, the Iraqis will greet us with flowers."
From everything I've read, F-16s are considered the "fighter pilot's aircraft," in that it's quick, very maneuverable & responsive, and the UI layout is (or was then) much more intuitive than other US fighters. I hope they serve the Ukrainians well.
They were originally designed to be the "Low" part of the USAF's "High-Low" Air Superiority doctrine. In this case, these are designations of cost. F-15's were highly capable but very expensive, so to provide improved capability in numbers, the cheaper F-16 was developed. By the 80's the Military was embracing the concept of the Fighter-Bomber again and the F-16 proved to be a very capable airframe to adopt to the role. Eventually the USAF would even develop the vaunted Air Superiority F-15 into a highly capable bomb truck itself with the E model.
don't forget the various bolt on and off parts like jamming pods so you have a few of those plus the lighter more maneuverable setup then some with the very long range radar. an F16 is very adaptable so its not really a single plane single use at all that's its beauty
Their delivery will be detected by Russian satellites, their presence in storage facilities for prep will be targeted by hypersonic missiles that travel between 5 to 7 miles per second, and they will be destroyed before they ever get off the ground. This is what Russia has done to about 70% of NATO tanks, guns and rocket systems...only about 30% make it to the fighting zone and most of it is destroyed there.
Surely the USA could supply the A10 Warthog, it would be a really game changer for the Ukrainian ground forces. I am sure it would be a simpler option in the meantime.
They need air support to operate effectively.🇺🇸🦅
It would be a sitting duck for manpads or s300 but a nice idea all the same.
They need something that can launch a cruise missile or 2000lb bomb from a distance not so much straffe tanks.
The A-10 would be something of a luxury for Ukraine to use after it gets F-16s and can defend it's air fields from being saturated with missiles.
A-10 is similar in performance and function to SU-25: a slow bomb truck with no air to air capabilities.
Brrrrrrrtttttttt
Ultimately, it was probably important to take time in deciding to provide major military systems to Ukraine, because some degree of consensus among allies is necessary. There is a non-trivial possibility that a larger war is coming, and it's not the best plan to embrace a large war with open arms. Elon Musk recently observed that statements by China indicate that it intends to seek to take over Taiwan by force, memorably stating that you don't have to read between the lines to see this -- you just have to read the lines. (Taiwan isn't going to embrace China willingly, after all) At some point within the next five years, China may decide to join Russia in a broader war to displace the post-WW2 global order and assert old fashioned spheres of influence. From an American point of view, the current period somewhat resembles the lend-lease period before the attack on Pearl Harbor triggered a global war. The more deliberately the present situation is handled, the more likely we are to limit the scope of a global conflagration, if one occurs.
The Chinese statements about Taiwan are, in my opinion, aimed at domestic pacification. "Don't complain about the Government, we are busy figuring out how to get Taiwan back!"
An actual Chinese invasion would not only destroy the Chinese economy, it could well lead to mass starvation in China.
Unfortunately it would also destroy the world economy. Remember, Taiwan has a suicide switch tied to their chip factories. If it looks like China will win it will take 5 years to get computer production back online. Also the new chip factories would probably be in the US.
What do you mean 'more deliberately', you are talking about WW3.
Pretty sure the world was at war before the USA got pulled into it by Japan.
What he is saying is that the discussions going on when deciding to hand over such weapons to Ukraine could probably stop ww3 bc that is still a reality that it is about to happen so let's help Ukraine stop Russia now before the inevitable ww3 breaks out. Bc as soon as global order is threatened you can bank on ww3 popping off and everytime u read about how these countries are sick of the global currency being the dollar it's pretty easy to tell they are ready to change that and it'll never fly without another world war going down, sadly this is just how the world works and runs.
F-16 sooner than you think!!
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I am the only one whos excited to see the air to air capabilities of the F-16 over the modern SU's. This is what the were designed and built for.
Putin fighting with no gloves whilst Ukraine has one hand tied behind their back.
And yet Putin is the one with the black eye and split lip!
For the Russians, it’s about quantity rather than quality, whereas for the West, it’s about quality (and quantity).
the west got around the lack of quantity by allying with themselves.
The whole of NATO has a heck of an armada
As per Russia's own numbers the SU-57 has the radar cross section of an F-18 which means it's not a Stealth Jet and they only have 12 of them in service whereas the West has nearly 1000 F-35s. Russia has no chance against NATO.
Russians understand hi tech weapons are useless against a modern military. Warships, carriers, jets even satellites can all be easily taken down. Artillery is king. Even if NATO got fully involved the war wouldn't change, it'd just western troops dying in the trenches aswell.
Ah that tried and true human wave attack, when the man in front of you falls, pick up his gun and head forward. A strategy with a 100 % failure rate. Isn't 100% a good number?
@@TheBlackIdentety are you expecting dogfights? Won't happen. All there'll be are Minute Mans, Tridents, Sarmats, then boom 💥
Those calling the F-16 a relic of the 1980s here know little about it, or are pretending to. It's still in production and General Dynamics is currently boosting output in order to meet a growing backlog. Its design has been constantly updated and upgraded. It's a 4th-gen fighter like most fighters in use throughout the world, including the US and Russia. These commenters even have the decade wrong. It was designed in the mid-1970s and entered production in 1978.
The F-16 was one of those rare planes that was designed to do one thing really well (local interceptor) and that tight design made it capable of doing far more than its designers expected. It's the Mosquito of the modern era.
The F16s in storage are not the most modern types. They have the AN/APG-66 radar, which is an older pulse doppler system. They aren't as good as the Russians best systems and they have a high maintenance burden.
@@tcm81 the Russian "systems" aren't as good as you or anyone else thought they were, including me.
Would it be fair to say that it's been around so long now that any problems have been ironed out?
@@demosthenes8631 Sure. All I'm saying is that an old F16 is still going to be vulnerable to a Mig 31 with an R37. People need to temper their expectations.
Latest 'Game-changer' perhaps, till the next one.
The West is currently in the hands of vicious psychopaths supported by morons.
They are trained already. Plus their is at least 200 pilots ready to go in a heart beat to join the fight from other countries already fully trained.
FWIW, there are several dozen F-16s sitting in the Davis-Mothan boneyard visible via Google Maps.
One can never get tired of telling right from wrong.
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When this is over, I predict that the surviving Ukrainians will hate the entire West with a passion that even the Russians will be shocked by.
It's not the F16s that the Russian military fear, it's the radar that they have in them. They can see the Russian jets a lot more time than the Russian jets, giving them a lot more time to fire the missiles that they can shoot. Glory to Ukraine
Glory to the Heroes! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
First of all, Russia has spy satellites. They see every piece of NATO equipment that comes into Ukraine...and where they are stored for prep. And they destroy about 70% of it with hypersonic missiles which travel between five and seven miles per second , before it can be deployed. When the F-16's arrive, they will meet the same fate.
1:23 Here is the question you gotta ask. Do we really know they have not been training on them the whole time?
There is no reason to be honest about what and when we will give support to Ukraine. We should have been training them months ago.. then drop the package on them with little advance notice to the damn Russians!😎👍🇺🇸🇺🇦🍻
I am sure we are learning all sorts from Ukraine. People need to stop underestimating them. No NATO has been in a war like this in decades.
F-16's are undefeated in air-to-air combat ~75-0 And they are very good on ground attack too.
Many countries have F-16s. Why the delay for Ukraine?
So if as expected 5e Russians continue to stay over their own territory firing weapons from afar, what will be the rules of engagement for these fighters that is deemed acceptable to the west?
Sooner or later, Ukraine attacking the Russian mainland - in defending itself - will be acceptable to NATO nations supplying its weapons. The longer the war drags on. After all, Russia thinks nothing of using chemical weapons in Britain whilst meddling in US politics. Russia's a tinpot nation that is all bark.
Tu-95 and other Russia aircraft have been launching missiles from Russian airspace since the start of the war, why shouldn't Ukraine be allowed to attack them?
SLAVA UKRAINI 💪💪💪
Its all about range targets.
It should be stated that one of the reasons the US has been hesitate about giving Ukraine long range missiles and Western jet fighters. As well as insisting they only be used in Ukraine. Is because the US worries Russian air defense is so poorly maintained and so poorly trained. That Russia can't tell the difference between attacks from Ukraine or a NATO country.
That is true. There was a story the other day about how a vast majority of Russian radars used for air defense are functionaly useless because the procurement of parts for them was riddled with corruption over the years and the parts got from abroad for them were either the wrong ones and didn't work with those systems or were only aquired on paper with the cash being pocketed by some enterprising Russian army generals. Now, due to sanctions they can't even get the right parts if they tried to fix them.
Why would they care? Their official propaganda says it's one and the same and they're already fighting with NATO.
From the purely practical POW if some Russian officer somewhere doesn't know if it one or the other they will assume it's Ukrainians, not NATO. In a situation where there's lack of information people tend to assume it's something they already know/have encountered before. So, Ukrainians.
Where is your evidence that Russian air defense is poor, they have destroyed the entire Ukrainian air force.
Plenty of western weapons at the front, confusion over who's running them hasn't been a problem. If the Russcists can't see western jets flying in from NATO countries versus Ukraine then they're in worse shape than I thought.
Do you mean like the time Ukrain sent missiles into Poland killing two people and tried to blame Russia before their masters in the USA told them to confirm that it was their mistake.
Prediction: If, as and when these aircraft eventually do make it out there with pilots trained and able to use them but with strict instructions not to cross over the border into Russia, Russia will still claim that they did. (For clarity, I'm talking about the Russia everyone else recognises, not what the Kremlin says is Russia.)
The F-16 is fully compatable with long range cruise missiles such as the Storm Shadow that are now being supplied in large numbers by the UK
and French. An F-16 with such missiles could fly to within a 50 miles of the border and still potentially hit targets in the Moscow suburbs.
The F-16 itself doesn't need to cross the border itself.
it really doesnt matter. Russia has been claiming for a year they were fighting NATO. And really just today Russians invaded Belgorod...which Putin claimed were ukranian.
I thought the F16s lack of AESA radar puts it at a disadvantage compared to the su35?
The F16’s rounds off a true “all arms” integrated offensive capability. Ukraine absolutely needs that against a larger opponent. The problem is timing… they will only be ready, after training, for a short time before the next winter.
The real problem for F16 is Su-35 (Su like superior) and russian SAM S-400 (unbeateble).
Ukraine can and should recruit foreign pilots to fly their F-16s. There are a lot pilots who has years of experience flying F-16 and this is a good time to show some courage and fight for a democracy under assult from mafia gangsters.
I don't think experienced crews want to go on suicide missions!
@@Robert-xy4xi they do for Russia 😂 but I guess it helps to have a gun in your back
@@Robert-xy4xi so that is why Russian pilots won't enter Ukrainian airspace?😂
@@Robert-xy4xi
America has a long history of adventurers flying and fighting so called "suicide missions" The Lafayette Escadrille squadron of American
pilots who flew in World War One. The American volunteers who fought in the RAF in the Battle of Britain. And we can't forget the famed
Flying TIgers American volunteers who fought for Nationalist China against the Japanese before Pearl Harbor.
American CIA volunteer contractors flew air support for Cuban nationalists during their failed Bay of Pigs invasion.
We had Air America flying out of Laos during the Vietnam War. American contacters were helping the Afghan resistance against the Soviets
in the 80s.
Russian jets have completely given up trying to enter Ukrainian air space already one year ago. Now all they're doing is shooting rockets/gliding bombs from the Russian territory. F-16's could easily neutralize that threat but Ukraine is specifically forbidden from doing that.
F-16's can't do anything about that major threat, unless something changes with the ROE (Rules of Engagement).
The F16 can perform SEAD missions as well, meaning they can open the skies for Ukrainian ground support helicopters and drones.
Neither side will be able to use Ukrainian airspace without massive losses. F-16 is a legacy system, no reason to believe it will fair any better than other jets. No one has answered of posed the critical question, where will these planes fly from. POLAND?
@@ciaranryan5265
The F-16 will fair better because its fully compatible with NATO precision weapons and doesn't need to be adapted like the Soviet era
jets Ukraine is currently flying.
@@ciaranryan5265 Yes it has been asked and answered. Ukraine.
Every plane on both sides is under _certain_ threat ofc. It's a war, after all. Yet, both sides have planes and have managed to keep some of them alive through very hard times. Certainly much harder than the immediate future in Ukraine.
So it's a non question, really. Sry.
@@aaronbaker2186 Yes yes they can still do other things. Not completely useless, just suffering from major cowardice and spinelessness.
Well, every senior officer knows how things work between the politicians and the military. It's always a struggle trying to do something _despite_ politicians constant efforts to f up everything... so nothing out of the ordinary there really.
Oh, this depends a Great deal If they will send F16s With the latest radar, or If they will skimp on the parts and put in in older models of radars before shipping it to Ukraine. Time will show.
Not so much skimping on parts as protecting IP from falling into Russian hands.
Glory to Ukraine !!!
"Ukraine is fighting like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's ark, and it just started raining".
Unknown:😂
Make that the third lion.
Another such victory and we are undone. - Prigozhin channeling Pyrrhus, probably
Just as well they have such a pathetic opponent, then
Better not or Russia might make vague and baseless nuclear threats that will never happen.
Nuclear threats that will "NEVER" happen ? So you have a guarantee of this ??? Explain.
Jordan has F 16 but a trigger happy Emirates pilot shot one down and the pilot was taken by Isis and burned alive 🔥 😥
They have been training on them in States for awhile
Unless there is something secret going on, there are 2-12 Ukrainian pilots doing simulator only training to evaluate how long it would take to train Ukrainian Mig pilots on the F16.
I expect that those pilots can finish training quickly (so not the 4 months quoted for Ukrainian pilots without this experience), but they are not technically trained yet, and probably would take 2 months.
The Russians would be unwise to send their jets into Ukrainian airspace with the advent of F16s. Forget the generals, Russian pilots would rather avoid face-to-face engagements with unknown adversaries. An agile F16 in the hands of a trained pilot is more dangerous than current Russian jets in the hands of under-trained amateurs. As for border regions, guided munitions can sail over soft borders and contested ground to hit belligerent weapons platforms without violating internationally recognized Russian airspace. With encrypted communications, nobody knows who is flying the F16s, maybe a western contractor with lots of Iraq and Afghanistan experience. High risk for Russians.
Nothing the S400 can't deal with
@@themanwiththegoldengun1998
The S400 can be dealt with.
@@TheLAGopher by what
@@themanwiththegoldengun1998 The S400 myths seem to prevail. Even if we can believe the Russian boasts, the Russians lack well trained and competent operators to manage this active radar system against an F16 with target acquisition and potent counter measures. The S400 are sitting ducks and not playing Kremlin war games.
"Iraq and Afghanistan" War Criminals You mean Bombing Civilians and getting Defeated again - lol
Zelenski makes sure Ukraine does not drop off the front pages. Sort of photo-bombing Russia.
indeed 😁
Putin must hate him so much for how much support he can bring to Ukraine
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@@harrymcghee282
how much they pay you to post online for Russia? I would love your job!
@@ufva8029 Ya Baw Bag ???
You call Me a Russian Troll then want the same Job Hahahaha
@@harrymcghee282 yeah dude!
I want to work from home just writing comments on UA-cam, sounds like EZ life
Which version of the F16 are they getting? A? MLU? C? blk 50? Or 70?
Like when you say F16, that kind of doesn't mean much.
The idea was NEVER to win the war against Moscowia or humiliated Putina but just to force Russia or Russians to reconsider their global strategy while saying to China, "attacking Taiwan might not be a good idea". Slava Ukrayini heroyam slava.
My prediction November 2024 crimean crisis
Please explain.
@@TheLAGopher I figure them roosky s will try bargain it again
@@TheLAGopher if Ukraine can take the south bank of the Dnipro, they can cut the Crimean canal again. Crimea is a desert without water from the Dnipro. It was ok for a while thanks to water trucked over the Kerch bridge and a lot of wells, but the wells have turned brackish.
Assuming Ukraine also takes out the bridge Crimea ends up with about 10% of the water they need (from a desalination plant).
So now you have 2 million people without enough water. They probably have enough to drink but not to shower...
Russia will call it a humanitarian crisis and demand Ukraine tirn on the Canal, Ukraine will say no, Russia will deport the civilian population of Crimea to Siberia...
@@TheLAGopher ukraine will win the war russia will lose the peace
It takes more than training pilots, there is the air crews, the support systems, nice runways since the F-16 is less rugged than the Russians jets... It will be months and once they arrive those airbases will the #1 on the Russian hit list.
Unfortunately, due to the relative delicacy of these aircraft, the Russians can counter them by simply cratering runways. The Gripen would be perfect for them but alas ...
Looks at recent Russian missile attack success rate...
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@@abrahamdozer6273
Nothing says that Ukraine couldn't now receive other western planes after the F-16 the same way the Challenger 2s from the UK opened the
door to Abrams,and the Leopard 1 and 2. Sweden now has cover to send the Gripen. It's a logistical nightmare,but the Israelis showed
it can be done fighting with a military supplied from many different sources.
The Ukrainians will surely use the time to harden their airfields with more imported western air defense systems before the first F-16
flys out of them.
The F-16s have no chance of surviving in the presence of S350s which are being deployed in the theatre,
😂🤣😂🤣😂
In some areas the F16 may have the advantage over the MIG but the greatest advantage is with the pilot, Russia does not have well trained pilots, we have already seen this. Slava Ukraine.
Putin's days are numbered.😊😊😊
Double digits or single digits?
@@adblocker276 Either or maybe a bit longer. It would surprise me more if he survived long-term politically and wouldn't surprise me greatly if, one day, we find he's not there, either literally or at least in control - "health reasons" or something else. I suspect that there are those in the upper Russian echelons who are watching him, each other and the Ukraine campaign very, very closely. Waiting ....
@@adblocker276 Ukraine is the beginning of the end of putler and the ruzzky empire. Ukraine is the wrong country for putler to mess with. Ukrainians are not the coward orcs. Victory and glory to Ukraine.
Keep sweating, dreamers. Putin will get ill on your funeral.
Hey never mind how would you feel about West starting a nuclear war and lettin Ukraine use nuclear weapons
Name the novel! Slapstick Army .
You only need 10 foreign pilots and a few dozen foreign ground support technicians with 6 F16's set up as a "Flying Tigers" type squadron to blow a hole though Russian Air Defences on day one of any counter offensive. Once you have taken out Russian local Air Defences Ukraine can use the existing aircraft they have to hit ground targets. Combine this with a SAM Trap of a Patriot system in the area to ambush any Russian SU35's and it could get very messy for Russia very fast. I would not be surprised to see this happen.
The F16? Seriously? It's a multi-role fighter that has been around for decades.
Clown has no idea of F-16 capabilities. Russian trash doesn't even have an AESA Radar. lol
@@TheBlackIdentety it will be funny when you see them going kaput.😂😂😂
Just like Gasputin
Tried & trusted, perfect for the job then👍
What point are you making, that it's good or bad? Or that the guy didn't know about it?
Why doesn't anyone seem to understand the wider implication of a ukraine that is part of NATO?? Any border dispute can then escalate into WW3 under article 5 of NATO. A neutral Ukraine is absolutely essential for world peace. And that was all that Putin wanted to achieve before his SMO. But he was laughed at in the international arena,when in december 2021 he tried to to talk about a new European Security Framework. So NATO left him
no choice.
So he has more nato on his door step now than before - some genius he is.
Who is going to participate in WW3 ? By the time the Ukrainian army finishes with the world's second army, the world's second army will be battered beyond repair. Nothing to start a war with, that's for sure
@@adblocker276 it is true that he was very reluctant to get his SMO going. Many russians wanted him to act earlier to defend and protect the ethnic russians in the Don bass.
Border Security is absurd!When I hear about how the West is encroaching on the Russian Federation, I find it amusing. Russia demands buffer countries under Russian control as security guarantees. This is absurd because when you control one country, it becomes your country by default. Then it is obvious that new "buffers" need to be added through occupation. It will always go on.
Demands! Demands! Every single day, a new one comes in. They are surprisingly unable to uphold ethical international relations for such a powerful country. Slava Ukraini!
It seems that most commenters here want ww3….so long as they themselves don’t have to fight
Ukrainian fighter pilots have been training in F-16s for at least 18 months. By the time Ukraine announces there are 20 pilots ready to fly, there will really be 200 of them. Slava 🇺🇦!
nope. It only takes about 6 months to train existing pilots.
If I could fly an F16, I would change my nationality to do so in Ukraine tomorrow! They may be glad of the early enlistment of qualified pilots.
😂😂 pardon my mirth...😂😂😂
Can’t possibly make much of a difference with only a handful of pilots!
These Things that F-16 can bring to the table!
1. AGM-88 HARM
2. JDAM
3. AGM-84 Harpoon Missile
4. Python 5
5. AIM-120C AMRAAM
6) AGM-114 Hellfire
With precision delivery!
God bless Ukraine
F14 Tom Cat all the way 💪
They're gone, and so are all the parts to maintain them.
Airplane go BRRRR
What about A10s?
Amazing that an aircraft developed in the 1970’s (just like the F-15) is still so effective today.
The "new" gear was produced in small volumes. There have been over 5K F-16's produced. In a long war numbers count, and this is the significance of the F16 IMO.
constant upgrades its a framework and can be fitted with all sorts jamming pods for instance and long range scanners then all the other stuff some setups make it extremally light and maneuverable others like the pods have a difference use. flexible for sure
They have been training pilots for 6 months.
There was a news report from a Ukrainian news source
Loads of A10 warthogs and B52’s would add another level on top of the F16’s😉