Ejection 074 - Nestor Ceja Ejects Brandon Hyde After Overturned Foul Ball-to-HBP Call in 1st Inning
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- 1B Umpire Nestor Ceja ejected Orioles manager Brandon Hyde following a check swing hit-by-pitch call in the 1st inning vs Cleveland. Report: www.closecalls...
HP Umpire Jim Wolf originally ruled that Indians batter Amed Rosario fouled an inside pitch at home plate. After a Replay Review as the result of Terry Francona's manager's challenge, Wolf's call was overturned, with Wolf ruling (and Ceja affirming) that batter Rosario did not strike at the pitch as it touched him, meaning the end result was a hit-by-pitch.
Holy crap. A broadcast team that actually understands.
Matt Underwood
Rick Manning
Andre Knott.
They do a great job.
Rick Manning played so he understands!
@@snapmalloy5556 they're not the best in the biz but they're a solid bunch. I probably listen to the other teams announcers like half the time
@@davej3781
I'm not kidding....while Manning is pretty good there are times he has made me do a facepalm.
Early in his career in the booth a batter sliced a low line drive right over 3rd base and a third of the way down the outfield line it curved foul....Manning couldn't understand how it wasn't a fair ball as it went over 3rd base in fair territory. I'm not kidding
@@trmbn65 Many announcers have played and don't seem to understand the rules.
Rick Manning is easily one of the best announcers around! He played the game for so long and understands it!
Second funniest ejection of the year, after the Martinez ejection for once again the Turner runners lane call.
That rule is still desperately in need of a change
@@TeemoQuinton The rule is just stupid and leaves the umpire in a bad place. I honestly couldn't argue with a manager if he said it makes no sense and it's a stupid rule. But as an umpire, you have to call it, if it's in the rule book. The original lane was put there because the First base bag was originally partially in foul ground. When they changed it, they kept the lane the way it was. It's a total s#$%! job to the runner. Period.
@@jamiethornton6101 thankfully bigger bases may be coming and that may cause this to be less of an isshe
@@jamiethornton6101 I always state my piece on this to try and grow the voice louder.
Give the same lane offered on the left to the right and allow no cross over unless to avoid a collision with a fielder without ball. It is not only fair but it MAKES SENSE
@@TeemoQuinton There is nothing wrong with the rule. A fielder without the ball that causes the runner to alter his path would be obstruction.
Two points here:
1. You CANNOT argue a call after NY has given its' ruling. Doing so is an AUTOMATIC EJECTION and,
2. The umpire warned the coach TWICE.
Hit the showers, coach.
He wasn't arguing the call that was reviewed. I think that is obvious tom people with IQ above 80. He was arguing whether it was a swing. Which wasn't what NY was reviewing, which was what the 1st base ump got wrong, that is why Hyde was pointing to the Jumbotron, where it was showing a clear swing.
@@jinxedchef you still can't argue after a challenge unless you wanna challenge the check swing but I'm sure NY looked at that aspect of it too
@@ezridaxsgender3914 Again that is STILL not the rule, it is just what you THINK the rule is. The rule is that you can't argue what was being reviewed. Hyde wasn't arguing whether or not the ball hit the batter's hands, he was was pointing out that the batter was swinging. Which was clear on the jumbotron, thus what he was pointing at. And that IS allowed. The ump got the call wrong. If a batter is hit as a result of swinging it is a strike.
@@jinxedchef "clear on the jumbotron" to biased orioles fans maybe. What proves it was a swing? Did his wrists snap? Did his bat cross the plate?
@@jinxedchef so in your "professional opinion" the ump should be suspended for firing Hyde because in your opinion he violated the rules? When did you read the MLB rulebook last?
I think the crew chief was holding up a neck gaiter to his face? Which is kinda weird cuz he can just have it sitting around his neck
Did the barrel of the bat cross the batters body? Did the batter make an attempt? Yes and yes. The batter even pulled his hands in, in an attempt to keep his hands inside the ball and pull it down the left field line.. If you have this as a no swing you are wrong. First base umpire couldn't have been paying attention.
Actually no and no at 1:07 it shows the bag head still against his body when he is hit.
@@63076topher where the ball was doesn't matter when calling a check swing, watch the follow through.
@@ryanjohnson1480 After he was hit by the pitch? You got to be kidding me if you think someone hit on the hands will not react like he did.
@@63076topher sometimes its hard to stop your swing, he couldn't.
@@ryanjohnson1480 He was already hit so they made rhe right call he DID NOT intend to strike at the pitch.
I just love it when managers get upset at the umpires when the person you’re supposed to be upset with is in New York. Like if you’re mad then put on the headsets and yell at them
He wasn't mad at NY for the HBP call...He was mad at something NY had no say in, that is the "No swing at the pitch" call.
@@snapmalloy5556 Well it wasn't a swing
@@63076topher
Nope, it was not
@@snapmalloy5556 Thought you were saying it was sorry.
@@63076topher Well then you must be blind.
If you watch a video form another feed you can see that all he actually said to the umpire at first base was you missed it. He was done talking and had his back to the ump when he was thrown out. He didn’t actually say any “magic words” until after he was thrown out.
He was talking to the umpire and arguing a call that the umpires on the feild did not make but the ones in New York made.
@@63076topher he seemed more upset by the first base ump getting the check swing call wrong. All he said to the first base ump was you missed it and then after he was warned he turned his back and was ejected. Another young umpire with thin skin.
@@bradhoffman9361 He was told TWICE that is enough we see it clearly in this video that's enough means you SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
@@63076topher yeah and he did shut his mouth and turned his back and then got tossed. You didn’t see the timing in this video but another site had a split screen. I don’t necessarily disagree with him being ejected especially if he came out of the dugout after a replay review. Just seems weird that the veteran umps didn’t throw him out but instead the first base ump decides to throw him out because he said “you missed it”. I’ve seen guys say way more on a missed checked swing and not get tossed.
@@bradhoffman9361 Because they were NOT looking at him. And it wasn’t missed they said it was a check swing.
Check out Jomboy on this ejection I you want to know what was actually said.
Well, he got in a good "F*ck Off" as his parting words walking back to the dugout
who wants to see a jomboy media and closecallsports colaboration.
I have that as a swing, but it's a judgement call.
If his hands weren't right on his chest to try avoiding the ball I'd say swing too but when that happens allow a bit more so the players can protect themselves from the pitch.
What needs to be determined is whether or not the batter attempted to hit the pitch. He didn't, he was trying to avoid being hit. The fact that the bat went out over the plate is irrelevant if he is not offering at the pitch.
A baseball coach on the field is the same as your congressman in your bedroom
Hyde said "you're f*cking brutal" to 1BU, and made it personal, therefor you're gone.
He also got told "that's enough" twice. It's baseball, 3 strikes you're out
Too funny. Welcome to mlb Nestor! Good call.
He's green and maybe it's ticky tack ejecting Hyde over this but it's absolutely by the book. Next game he's gonna be behind the plate, good luck!
It was a shitty call and it is too bad the ump wasn't man enough to admit he got it wrong. The right call was a swinging strike and out.
@@jinxedchef not according to the rules which you obviously don't know.
Wow, what a physique Jim Wolf has! I gotta better go and workout a bit...
I took a pic of him and sent it to a friend and said "MLBs Ed Hochuli"
Roids
@@goalieboarder8931 you sound kinda sweet dude
@@Scatpack-gw9kb Total BS
These managers really be arguing about the tiniest little things just to try and feel bigger than the umps
I think this was funny but I'm not gonna lie, Hyde had a legitimate argument about the batter swinging. I think the batter should be out because he has broken the plane of the plate by plenty and the ball never made contact with the bat.
The only thing the umpire must determine is whether or not the batter attempted to hit the pitch. It doesn't matter where the bat goes if it was determined he wasn't attempting to hit the pitch. Not a swing.
"This commentary is gold."
I'm guessing he's not going to be part of the Nestor Ceja fan club.
He swung at the pitch. So it doesn’t matter if it hit him or not. Umpires are fucking stupid as hell for saying he did not when it would be obvious to Stevie Wonder that he did swing.
This is a carry over from Hyde’s first ejection on which is hotter was a called for a dead ball strike on a check swing
Does Brandon Hyde know who Nestor Ceja is by now?
They obviously know better than i do, but im pretty sure that is a dead ball strike.
It was ruled there was no swing and the pitch was not in the zone so it cannot be a strike.
Hilarious!
"Who the fuck is that?"
That. Was. Hilarious., and you're right... the announcers' commentary was pure gold.
I love having Brandon Hyde as a manager. This dude works out with the team, and goes to war for ‘em on the field. Really hope he’s around 2025 when THE ORIOLES ARE WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!!
Looked like he swung at it anyway
Idt check swings count as swings and that was obvious a clear check
@@ezridaxsgender3914 doesn’t matter anyways because the ruling on the field was a foul ball then they OVERTURNED IT INTO A HBP completely against the MLB rules and the umpires should be suspended for breaking them
@@galactic_clashx4056 prove it. Cite the rulebook that justifies the suspension. You just hate umps on principle because you think you could do better lmao
@@ezridaxsgender3914 Yes, Galactic is totally wrong.
Hit by pitch: Calls involving whether a pitched ball may have hit a player, a piece of his clothing or his bat. Whether the ball was in the strike zone when it touched the batter and whether the batter made any attempt to avoid being touched by the ball is not be reviewable.
Only watched to 114 so far and that seems to be a strike cause he's swinging. I'm wrong of course but it also seems that a case can be made for the batter turning himself into the pitch and not making an attempt to not get beaned.
I think swing the bat and I believe Jim wolf
Looks like he swung at that pitch.....doesn’t matter if he meant to or not. Umps need to be better.....
What makes it a swing?
Yes it does matter. The only thing the umpires consider is whether or not he offered at the pitch. You need to be better.
I have a simple solution to the swing-at-a-HBP rule. If a hitter gets hit by a pitch out of the strike zone, the umpire must allow the hitter a little more swing than is normally allowed when a hitter swings without being hit by a pitch. This simple rule would be a good start. Maybe a year or 2 later, make that rule change even better by allowing a little more swing than that if the pitch is at the letters or higher. One reason for this rule change would be to make it a little more fair for the hitter. Another more important reason would be to make it safer for the hitter. If a hitter has to worry about not swinging too far and not getting hit by a 90+ mph pitch at the same time, it could be game over for the hitter (Pardon the pun.).
Jim Wolf is the Steve McQueen of umpiring....
Indians play-by-play is the best in all of baseball!
He swung, but this dude never disagrees with the umps.
By what metrics did he swing?
He did not swing and CCS and the umpires were correct. You don't know the criterion for a checked swing.
In this scenario, Nestor’s last name should perhaps be pronounced “SEE-ya”.
😂
So if the ball hit the hand, doesn't the ball become dead immediately and you judge where the bat head is at that point in time. If he already swung when hit, then that supersedes the HBP, but even if he did swing later after hit, does it matter? NCAA uses bat head in front of the front hip to determine what is "too far", but in MLB I believe it is just it is just was there intent to hit the pitch. Still the question is, is the ball dead on contact and is anything relevant after that?
Yes, the ball is dead immediately on a HBP. but umpires don't care where the bat head is. All they care about is whether the batter attempted to hit the pitch.
fucking mlb messing up again shit is getting old. the bat goes past midway and was a swing.
That's not how a swing is determined. There was no attempt to hit the pitch. Not a swing.
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Does anyone know why a ball was given to Alex verdugo in his last at bat before a pitch was thrown?
You're gone Brandon
These umpires should be suspended for accepting the challenge you are not allowed to challenge a foul ball to be over turned into a HBP
@@galactic_clashx4056 so is the Hyde ejection valid or no?
@@galactic_clashx4056 Wrong again, Pull your out of your ass.
Should Jim Wolf be a future crew chief?
Actually bullshit you are not allowed to challenge because the call was a foul ball so absolutely not
He actually had stopped talking to the umpire before he was ejected. But umpires feelings were hurt because the entire crowd saw that he missed the check swing.
Based on what evidence did the batter swing?
@@rickhaavisto9023 the barrel of the bat crossed his body, it was an obvious attempt at hitting the ball. He only stopped his swing after the ball hit him.
@@ryanjohnson1480 If he stopped talking why did the umpire tell him TWICE that it was enough.
@@63076topher you can watch the entire thing on another channel where the video wasn't cut and he had stopped talking and was walking back to the dugout.
@@ryanjohnson1480 that's not actually necessarily a swing. It crossed part of his body but not his hip fully which is what they look at. Didn't cross the plate and his wrists didn't snap either
Good call on the check swing at 1:07 it hits his hand and the bat head is still behind home plate.
Umm a foul ball HBP cannot be reviewed it’s in the rule book and they overturned it which is not allowed which is exactly why hide came out to argue
@@galactic_clashx4056 Wrong.
from the MLB Glossary, Replay Review;
"The following calls are reviewable via replay:
Hit by pitch: Calls involving whether a pitched ball may have hit a player, a piece of his clothing or his bat. Whether the ball was in the strike zone when it touched the batter and whether the batter made any attempt to avoid being touched by the ball is not be reviewable."
The first sentence allows review on hbp. The second sentence tells us what is not reviewable.
There is also this;
"Replay review was expanded starting in the 2014 season, giving managers one challenge to start the game and allowing them to challenge two times in total provided the first challenge resulted in an overturned call. In addition, a much wider range of calls were made subject to review. Clubs could challenge potential home run calls, non-home run boundary calls, tag and force plays (except on a fielder touching second base while turning a double play), fair and foul balls in the outfield, catch plays in the outfield, a potential hit by pitch, whether a runner scored before a third out, whether a runner touched a base, whether a following runner passed the runner ahead of him, and record-keeping situations (ball-strike counts, outs, score and substitutions)."
I believe Brandon Hyde is right
You believe wrong.
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An accurate site that posts rules and explanations. They also point out umpire mistakes. The people at CCS know more about baseball than you ever will.
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There is no chance in hell he checked that swing. Shoulda been a foul ball.
There is no way he swung 2 different umpires said so hands are not part of the bat. He was getting hit by the ball and moved afterwards.
@@63076topher "2 different umpires said so" is an extremely poor justification - unless you're saying umpires are never wrong. Is that what you're saying?
If you SWING, and are subsequently hit by the pitch, that's a strike - regardless of what part of your body it impacts.
"Hands not being part of the bat" has nothing to do with anything here. The "foul ball" call was incorrect (umpire was wrong 😱).
I agree with the poster - I think he swung, as well. Call should have been a "dead ball, strike."
@@MH3GL At 1:07 the bat head is BEHIND the plate so how is that a swing? At that point in the video the ball already hit him as he is turning to get out of the way.
Spotted the salty Orioles fan. I'm rooting for y'all in 2022 tho
@@63076topher college ball it's passed the plate or the hip. No definition tbf in MLB because it's stupid and archaic but umps look for those OR snapping wrists.
Ur right, didn't cross plate/hip and wrists don't snap
It was clearly a swing and the Nestor was embarrassed that he got it wrong.
You couldn't be more wrong. You don't know wtf you are talking about.
mlb is trash now cant argue now which is part of the game. umpires can make mistakes and there is zero punishment. mlb replay is a joke
Ah yes...because no managers have been ejected for arguing before this year
This is not a HBP as the BR swung and attempted to strike at the ball. I would be pissed to if the MLB umpires are consistent in their calls.
It is a HBP, it was not an attempt to hit the pitch.
@@alanhess9306 Are we going to do this again? I know the hands are not a part of the bat. There is no rule that establishes what an actual swing is, or even half (check)-swings (a lot of people like to say "he broke the plane" or "he broke his wrists"). Question on this is when did Wolf establish that the batter did not swing at the pitch? The only thing we barely see is when he checks in with the 1st Base Umpire on a call right before he put on the headphones to wait for NY to make a call. Did he offer to swing at the ball? Did he stop the motion? Did the umpire make an actual call on the check swing prior to the challenge? This is one of those "in the umpires judgement". At what point did the manager ask the HP umpire to check in with his partner? Before or after the challenge was made? Can a manager ask for a check swing ruling and then challenge the call? If so, how often can he? This is why it is important for MLB to finally define was a swing and a half (check)-swing is.
MLB Rule 8.02(c) comment (partial): The manager or the catcher may request the plate umpire to ask his partner for help on a half swing when the plate umpire calls the pitch a ball, but not when the pitch is called a strike. The manager may not complain that the umpire made an improper call, but only that he did not ask his partner for help. Once the umpires explain the result of the play, however, no one is permitted to argue that the umpires should have exercised their discretion in a different manner.
@@navyprico You wrote a long reply but the bottom line is that two ML umpires agree it was not an attempt to hit the pitch. If it was not an attempt to hit the pitch, it could only be a HBP. I'll take the judgment of the experienced umpires over yours every time.
@@alanhess9306 They only made that decision AFTER Francona attempted to challenge the call. That shows favoritism. So Hyde had every right to argue. They should've decided the check swing prior to the challenge, not after.
ML umpires have not been the best to do their jobs, even with the experience.
@@navyprico Since the swing or no swing is a factor in determining the proper call, it is irrelevant as to when they made that determination. Once again, the bottom line is that the umpires were totally correct. You must be one of those casual fans that want the correct call to be made, unless the correct call goes against your team.
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The thing that’s so brutal to me about this is that the Baltimore skipper was right. Check swings need to become reviewable. That man inarguably swung at that ball, and the umpires got it wrong. It shouldn’t have mattered if it hit is hand or not because he SWUNG at it. He should’ve been out.
No, he did not attempt to hit the ball. Baltimore skipper was wrong.
@@alanhess9306 If your bat crosses the plate, it’s a swing. It doesn’t matter if how close you came to the ball. Learn the rules my friend.
@@adamant1015 No, you are wrong. A strike is an attempt to hit the pitch. This was not an attempt. Learn the rules before commenting.
@@alanhess9306 This comment started out very disrespectful and I am changing it. You are absolutely right. I’m not too prideful to admit when I’m mistaken. I just reread the rule book and you are correct. Thank you for educating me.
@@adamant1015 No problem. I never realized how little I knew until I became an umpire.
Again, umps just want the spot light. Hopefully Theo can find a way to completely eliminate them from the game
Lol the managers do jack shit and want the spotlight. Umps are more vital to the game than a do nothing manager like Hyde
Umpires make bad calls they always right
Tell me you never umpire without telling me
Umpires makes too many mistakes on plates umpires keep it on the plates
@@critter2 He doubled down and did it again!
@@sergiofernandez6750 the average ump gets like 96% of calls right. I bet you've never scored a 96 in a class since middle school