Is There a Black Hole in the Center of the Sun? With Earl Bellinger
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"There is probably not a black hole in the center of the sun. If primordial black holes exist then they may exist in sufficiently large numbers to explain the dark matter in the universe. While primordial black holes may form at almost any mass, the asteroid-mass window between 10−16−10−10 M⊙ remains a viable dark matter candidate and these black holes could be captured by stars upon formation."
Is there a black hole in the center of the Sun?
arxiv.org/abs/2312.07647
Solar evolution models with a central black hole
arxiv.org/abs/2312.06782
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If a black hole can distort time and space, then when an object enters towards the black hole nothing really would change or impact the object. It wouldnt "tear apart" since gravity/time/space are all effected the laws that hold things together would also be effected equally.
What im trying to say is.. you probably wouldn't die if u entered a blackhole. You wouldn't even feel anything. Just like inertia and momentum, blackholes do the same with gravity and spacetime. Simples.....
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wash away the rain.
You beat me to it 😅
Black Hole Sun, won't you come, and
Now I get it
This song has been playing on loop in my head since I began listening to this video
Till you all just disappear...
Soundgarden reference in the thumb was on point 🌌 ☀ ☔
I was just about to say something similar.
What an amazing interview!
It is so refreshing to hear a top scientist say the words "I don't know. We have a lot of work to do." and not "Be quiet and trust me."
Great guest! Thanks for all of the consistently high-quality content, Event Horizon team. 💯
Much appreciated!
Exceptionally good conversation with a Fantastically lucid guest! 👍
37:26 Omigosh. I hadn't realized just how gigantic M87 is. Thanks for the graphic.
The Soundgarden reference was clever! Great interview! Thanks for the episode! 🤘
I would say, required. JMG should be playing the tune in the background.
love the sound garden ref john and this episode was very interesting. thanks again for such great content!
Beautiful thumbnail btw. :D
Lobe feom sweden and move from Angelica. Such a joy! New episode. Lets goooo!!
Thanks for all the great work you do John. Inspires me and takes one of my many dreams off my plate because its already being done better than I ever would.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nope.
Look at the description
This was a wonderful segment!!
Would make sense with all the UAPs coming and going from the sun.
Don't know why but dark holes are scary when your hungover trying to sleep don't worry I'll be back tomorrow to watch you lol❤
Excellent guest, incredibly interesting topic and great questions by the host, thank you.
Wow, very interesting interview and topic! I hope he gets his funding. Whether he finds them or not science will benefit.
Funny, the channel Destiny just uploaded a video regarding this, and I commented “black hole sun, wont you come and wash away the rain”.. Im starting to see a pattern with all the astronomy channels 😅
Great video and information !
Oh, yay! So much JMG content these past days. Thank you for keeping me engaged in planetary science. Though, I struggle with the concept that black holes are dark matter. I have always envisioned them as vacuums of a sort.
"Though, I struggle with the concept that black holes are dark matter." Interesting. When I first heard of "dark matter" and a search for a new particle/s was needed I strongly felt ordinary matter was the answer. Black holes seemed the obvious choice even though the large/super massive ones couldn't be the entire explanation. I have long felt that looking for exotic new particles and theories was a huge waste of time, money and resources. My opinion for what it's worth.
@@terryboyer1342 I appreciate that perspective. I have trouble conceptualizing dark matter as it is, and so I just need to do more reading and thinking about it. They are actually doing research on DM where I work in the physics department. :)
What an incredible communicator! I could listen to Earl all day!
Forever is not a time, it's a place.
John, I want to express my deep gratitude for the dedication and enthusiasm you bring to your channels.
Love the Soundgarden reference, and this was a really good episode.
Today I learned that stars sing... I like that. 😊🤔
Dark matter is dilated mass. General Relativity predicts dilation, not singularities. In the 1939 journal "Annals of Mathematics" Einstein wrote -
"The essential result of this investigation is a clear understanding as to why the Schwarzchild singularities (Schwarzchild was the first to raise the issue of General Relativity predicting singularities) do not exist in physical reality. Although the theory given here treats only clusters (star clusters) whose particles move along circular paths it does seem to be subject to reasonable doubt that more general cases will have analogous results. The Schwarzchild singularities do not appear for the reason that matter cannot be concentrated arbitrarily. And this is due to the fact that otherwise the constituting particles would reach the velocity of light."
He was referring to the phenomenon of dilation (sometimes called gamma or y) mass that is dilated is smeared through spacetime relative to an outside observer. It's the phenomenon behind the phrase "mass becomes infinite at the speed of light". Time dilation is just one aspect of dilation, it's not just time that gets dilated.
Dilation will occur wherever there is an astronomical quantity of mass because high mass means high momentum. Dilation is the original and correct explanation for why we cannot see light from the galactic center.
It can be inferred mathematically that the mass at the center of our own galaxy must be dilated. In other words that mass is all around us. Sound familiar? This is the explanation for the abnormally high rotation rates of stars in spiral galaxies. The "missing mass" is dilated mass.
Dilation does not occur in galaxies with very, very low mass because they do not have enough mass in their centers to achieve relativistic velocities. To date, 6 very, very low mass galaxies have been confirmed to show no signs of dark matter. This also explains why all planets and all binary stars have normal rotation rates.
Einstein is known to have repeatedly said that singularities are not possible, he put it in writing. Nobody believed in them when he was alive including Plank, Bohr, Schrodinger, Dirac, Heisenberg, Feynman etc.
There was clarity in astronomy before television and movies began to popularize singularities in the 1960's. What we see in modern astronomy has been known since 1925. This is when the existence of galaxies was confirmed. It was clear that there should be an astronomical quantity of light emanating from our own galactic center
The depth here is outstanding, so much more intellectually elevating than presentations that assume less of their audience. That said, it's going to take a ton of convincing for me to believe that a black hole could be surrounded by plasma and not inhale it like a succulent Big Whopper. I want to hear a lot more about Dr. Bellinger's work.
A 4 hour loop of EH's outro music is what I need
Cool episode
Every conversation about dark matter concludes that if all of dark matter was one thing we would be able to detect it. Maybe it is more than one thing.
11pm in Spain just in time for bed thanks 🙏
I too am a nihilist, miss you Chris.
Another awesome video to get me through the work day.
Catching the tiny black hole would be easy. You just dope it with electrons then use magnetic fields to contain it. They maintain charge
Has been a long time since I listened to that album. Shall have to remedy that tomorrow. And wash away the rain.
I read the book mentioned from my school library years ago. It is called Earth by David Brin.
Wow! I was hijacked for an hour by a bright shining astrophysicist! As a former astronomy freak who never took it past the hobby stage it will be exciting to watch his career knowing we're in good hands.
You had me at disappearing stars.🎉
11:00 what about a brown dwarf star, in an extremely oblique orbit, out at the bleeding edge of solar system capture range?
I was just thinking about the hypothetical of primordial black holes finding their way into stars a few weeks ago. What a coincidence! It was fun thinking through all the possibilities myself, but even more illuminating hearing a specialist speak at length about it. Thank you.
So you were the one who willed this into being. Well played.
The software is called Mesa? Good one.
Excellent
you should fix the description text a bit to "asteroid-mass window between 10⁻¹⁶ to 10⁻¹⁰ solar mass"
11:24 that novel is named "Earth" from David Brin
Our sun is a flame traveling twirling pulsating, so that we are a moth attracted to, distracted and tractored by the flame. ..let's GO
The novel he mentions is called "Earth" by David Brin.
Consider every particle as a spinning distortion of spacetime (Qalb), whose energy density increases exponentially as you approach its event horizon. Essentially, like the word "physics" no longer etymologically suffices when the observer is intimately bound to the observed, the word "black hole" no longer suffices as specific object.
every vid deserves millions of views…
Wow that was great, even better than expected. So much useful dynamic information, and Earl put everything into approachable perspectives. The potential trans-layering effects and stellar seismology studies were particularly intriguing -- so much to unpack there, yet it all made sense in the end. Thank you to both of you for a fascinating conversation and coherent explanations!
We are truly lucky that someone like Earl makes time to come on the show.
I see what you did there, JMG...you wouldn't be an old 90s grunge head would you
Guilty as charged. When that album came out I was graduating high school.
The book he mentions is the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons and it's some of the best far future fantasy sci-fi that I've ever read
I thought of James P. Hogan's "Thrice Upon a Time".
One of the most interesting guests - thanks for a great discussion. My wife said I had a dreamy, thinking face on when she came into the office and saw me listening. Still doubt that a sun has a black hole inside it, but it's a great premise for an investigation. For fun I visited the real Sound Garden in Seattle many years ago - if it's still there highly recommend a visit - it's pretty cool!
Earl will be back!
If Earth had a primordial black hole at the core center…would that count for the magnetic field that Mars and Venus haven’t?
makes me wonder about przybylski's star 🤔
is the hawking evaporation of a penrose blackhole perhaps one of the reasons why the universe is expanding?
Dark Matter sounds like that clear stuff in a lava lamp
If primordial black holes currently exist in such great numbers we should have seen lensing effects from them by now. I think primordial black holes did seed the structure of the universe via inflation of the quantum state, but dark matter is something else.
The next time you get a black hole physicist on can you ask them about a hypothetical star near a supermassive black hole. If life happened in this setup then the inhabitants would experience extreme time dilation. So our first 20000 years would be done in a much shorter length of time. So my theory is life near black holes might be more advanced than any other form of life.
The only reasonable explanation of dark matter is that it is not a product of our known universe. Instead that it is the 4D shadow of something operating at higher dimensions. It has been suggested that gravity has the same or similar origin. This is not very useful, and cannot be tested in any way that we know of, but it has some predictive power. For example, it will be invisible within our limited horizon of experiences.
Ask the more Evolved Aliens, which World Governments colluded to Cover-up. And Scientists ignored the evidence out of stigma.
"The only reasonable explanation of dark matter is..."
but
"This is not very useful, and cannot be tested..."
which means that it is NOT an explanation. It is an idea.
Ask the more Evolved Aliens. Which World Governments colluded to Cover-up.
@@istvansipos9940Lippy, Skippy. It has predictive power.
@@FMDD168 I don't understand "Lippy, Skippy"
but yeah, dark matter has predective power. Maybe it is not matter, not dark, but a real something
Could a black hole star alter nuclear fusion in such a way as to explain strange stars such as Przybylski's Star?
I love the content. Not a physicist but primordial black holes don’t seem to explain away the arguments for dark matter in terms of explaining galactic velocity and universe architecture. They should be attractive and not repulsive and not force normal matter to aggregate. Right?
In my eyes
Indisposed
In disguises no one knows
When dark energy reaches the point protons decay, the tearing apart of quarks would release an enormous amount of energy and the creation of a vast number of.new quarks, in effect another big bang.
If the average distance between primordial black holes is 1 AU. He says there should be one lurking around the solar system. With those numbers there would almost definitely be thousands in the solar system at any given moment. If you measure to Neptune just on a two dimensional plane the solar system is close to 3000 square AUs.
Just using basic logic there should be one closer to us than the sun is half of the time.
There's one out in the cosmos 7 light years wide. 😬
anyone knows of the scifi novel he speaks about?
I think he’s talking about Earth by David Brin.
thanks @@TheRemarkableN
Or "Thrice Upon a Time", by James P. Hogan.
"Earth" by David Brin
Let’s all go down to Dumas Walker’s.
It'd be interesting to see what Anton Petrov and you would talk about. For the love of space and science.
He's a wonderful person and has an open invitation.
@@EventHorizonShow agreed haha that would be a great conversation that's for sure.
@bluecollaroutlaws6281 that'd be a good one, invite Dr Becky, Scott Manley, Neil deGrasse Tyson and Fraser Cain. That would be a collab of the decade 🙏👍
Dr. Becky has been on. And Fraser is a good friend and was just on recently.
_Heaven send Hell away. No one sings like you anymore._
Can’t help but notice we are sneaking up on 300K subscribers!! 💫🙏
Yup! Exciting!
🎉 awsome i was like the 70th
If we found Planet 9 was a primordial black hole, what should we name it?
So maybe dark matter is radiation or something left of 'primortial?' black holes? Noone knows so I guess I can't be more wrong than wrong... but if its true all mass/energy had to preserve maybe in small undetectable neutrino like particles... (I only watch those podcasts and read a book on universe and some physics) but love to think about those stuff
A run away black hole was the subject of a Simpsons episode
A black hole inside the sun? Lets hope not.
Plot twist: what if there are white holes in the center of some stars?
so Chris Cornell was on to something...
He was brilliant.
I like when people can think 'outside the box', opening their mind to infinite possibilities...BUT I feel that its a trope of ignorance/bombast when they do the "Is there a Black Hole [insert some place]"
Lets Review:
--> We currently 100% suck at identifying stellar-mass BHs. Its as bad as detecting terrestrial planets, brown dwarfs.
--> We DO KNOW that (based on other post-stellar remnants: Neutron Stars/White Dwarfs)...there is NO "oops I didn't realize a stellar remnant was nearby": They're small but VERY obvious.
--> WE CAN NOT describe source of/how gravity/time works very well. Only make calculations based on gravitational pull.
A black hole is going to be obvious (unless they can reach 'max mass', IE not eat anymore)...but even then the matter would 'accumulate' around it. Turn into a star; one that has gravity WAY off from its radius/emission patterns. So that too is prob not a thing.
CONTROVERSIAL (but prob true):
--> Hawking was wrong. Hawking Radiation is prob not what he thought, and stellar-mass BHs likely DO NOT evaporate; prob not even go 'dormant'.
--> Scientists need to stop confusing stellar-mass/intermediate mass BHs and SMBHs. Sure they're both singularities, but their origins, their affects, whats inside them, everything else about them is different.
--> The "Solution to dark matter/energy" appears to have data/analysis indicating what IS NOT responsible for it.
SPOILER: It isn't a Fermion/Boson (or even their antiparticles). Institutional 'Scientists' just can't let go of the implication here...they WANT the solution to fit into their efforts; and the last 20-70years have been struggling against the data (and obvious): SM,. even QM/QFT seems to be inherently flawed.
--> IF Hawking was remotely correct...Then ppl need to stop thinking about a 'primordial' stellar-mass BH. Unless it somehow got kicked out of an early galaxy and exiled into the intergalactic space, they don't exist. They'd either 1) evaporate over the 10s of billions of years since 1st stars formed OR 2) (being in a galaxy) continue to accrete/consume matter, thereby living, and being detectable from the gravitational void/accretion disk around them.
The "maybe there is a blackhole [insert random place in space]" is akin to believing Pauli Exclusion/Heisenberg but also talking about 'teleportation' as a serious convo: I only sit at the table, as it'll be a replacement for a comedy special on TV.
"Did the sun write this?"
Sorry John i have to go, ill be back in 5 minutes and 21 seconds
"Hot dense state" *sigh* ok brb gotta check on the Neanderthals .
I'm also here high as fuck at work though lol. This is my shit.
Think the big bang never happened and the universe is far older than thought to be.
Perhaps a black hole..the "great attractor" far beyond our imagining exists out there..who knows and how it came to being...sucking everything that ever has been or ever will be into an unimaginable vortex of destruction
Sweet dreams.
Black holes are just high mass particles.
this sounds a bit outlandish
Why
There is always something at the center…
Nougat?
👀
Earth . By David Brin.
No. But i will still listen
A black hole in the middle of a star doesn’t really work. Then every star has a block hole in it. Seeing the way black holes in the universe consume matter and eject streams of destroyed stellar objects, why would this hypothesis even be considered?
Small black holes can't consume mass fast enough it works. It doesn't mean that it's there but like string theory the maths works
@@bobo-cc1xw Then the gamma ray bursts would happen every time a galaxy's black hole consumes a star. There would also be lots of gravity waves.
the man and many of his colleagues do this for a living. Based on some centuries of combined research time, they have this idea now.
And then you say in the comment that it does not really work. Black holes are weird, to say the least. Without high level math and physics, you cannot even hope to ASK a proper question in this topic, let alone say that something does not really work.
@@istvansipos9940 Thanks professor
@@ThexBorg you are welcome. And no, I am not a professor. That's why I don't write comments to correct physicists about black holes.
Hey i used to comment to john that i work for a merch company that makes merch for concerts we had made jokes about a mug with his face on.
I see now ypu guys have merch it looks cool but its rediclously priced 😢 maybe because the Canadian dollar sucks ?
Theres a black hole in my stomach.
Movie : Interstate 60 (go watch it)
Won’t you come…🤙
But I don't want there to be a black hole in the Sun.
Hello E.H. I think you should cut the A.I.
Burden in my hand
If there were a black hole at the center of the sun, it would have consumed the sun already. I call B.S.
The type of black hole being discussed would not have consumed the sun by now.
Black hole sun?
Sounds like a night at Michael Jacksons house.
I waited over 4 days before I clicked this, and judging by the views so are others....
There is no black hole in the middle of the sun, now I'm 60 seconds in. I'm out.
How do you know? Explain.
@@JohnMichaelGodier because I can see the sun. Not some strange weird thing. There is no way all that hot evenly glowing stuff would be there if it was being tossed around by a black hole. It wouldn't be stable, it would collapse... There is just no black hole in the sun.
Reality of existence is what is discovered when OBSERVING the FACTS. But you sir don't need to, you access your perfect brain and make conclusions based on your own ideas.
YOU sir are one of the reasons for the crisis of physics, making conclusion not based on observation or fact but because 'i don't think so'.
It would be completely true to say there are no facts to determine this hypothesis either way, so I strongly do not mean I have the answer but your arrogance is only a sign of your ignorance, I hope one day you learn the scientific method, but in a world where scientific method is replaced by opinion I am sure you fit in and are popular.
@@ghostlyphantasm2352 in some way your right. In other ways don't understand me, at which point I could say everything you just did and be wrong also...
There are zero facts to suggest there is a black hole in the sun. That's all there is to it.
*you're... Don't want to unnecessarily trigger someone LoL
Oh wow, This is the earliest I've been in a while. Er....Hi?
Hello!
Hello!
I feel like this theroy makes good scfi but suffers because of being mostly untestable like rhe slurian hypothesis
Agreed. I'm watching because the concept makes no sense at all to me. Wouldn't the black hole eat the sun? 🤔 Seems like the sun is the opposite of what we would see when we look at a black hole. It's generating light, has mass etc.
@@JonnoPlays Depends on mass. Remember, a primordial black hole essentially has no lower mass limit. You can in principle create one in a particle accelerator with two particles, though it will evaporate almost instantly. The conditions of the big bang allowed for primordial black holes to collapse when the universe was very small and dense, which means that there could be asteroid or mercury mass primordial black holes. But that's all the mass they have, and it isn't enough to eat a star any more than Mercury could eat the sun if it fell in.
But the idea here is that if primordial black holes do still exist, then they are gravitational objects just like stars are, and just like anything else, can fall into a star. But since it's a black hole, the star can't destroy it, so it would just sit there. This is also thought to happen with Neutron stars in the Thorne-Zytkow objects I mentioned in the interview. They can become embedded in stars, such as red giants, and produce noticeable predicted effects. When this was looked for, we found candidates. Primordial black holes inside stars may also produce effects we can look for.