3 Abandoned Predator Generators - Will They Run?

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
  • These Predator generators were left behind at an off grid house. The new owner of the house wanted them gone. So I bought them for $60 each. They were advertised as non running. Will they run again or will they be parts? Lets find out.
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  • @notprovided2823
    @notprovided2823 5 місяців тому +12

    My family and I really appreciate your calm voice and matter of fact way of reporting of what you see or what you surmise. The fact that you can have successes or failures without using vulgar language makes you one of our top subscriptions. Thank you for communicating like a gentleman.

  • @Farm_fab
    @Farm_fab 2 роки тому +41

    Jim, I worked for a home builder that used generators and air compressors to power their jobsite, and they changed the oil in them every week, no fail. This is one of the things that preserves the life of portable equipment of this type.

    • @lewiemcneely9143
      @lewiemcneely9143 2 роки тому +3

      Old Briggs books said every 20 hours run time.

    • @BlackCharger-xd4zx
      @BlackCharger-xd4zx 2 роки тому +1

      I love you all you love you all love you love love you all love you love love you all love you love love you all love you love

    • @BlackCharger-xd4zx
      @BlackCharger-xd4zx 2 роки тому

      I just don’t know how much she loves you and love her love you all love you love love you all love you love love you all love you love love you all love you

    • @carllockpick6179
      @carllockpick6179 2 роки тому +3

      Certain people, just ignore maintenance.

    • @benjurqunov
      @benjurqunov Рік тому

      Wow !
      Another Trump supporter...

  • @royhedrick8099
    @royhedrick8099 2 роки тому +27

    When a machine has been stored outside like that it is possible moisture can be throwing your readings. To be certain the armature is bad we used to cook the parts at about 200degrees in an oven for about an hour and recheck. Quite often they would check fine after that and worked well.

    • @fromagefrizzbizz9377
      @fromagefrizzbizz9377 2 роки тому +2

      Even without that, I would usually expect multi-mega ohm readings to frame are simply dirt on the slip rings with a bit of conductivity. Once you have the power head off and a chance to wipe/dry the slip rings, check 'em again.

    • @tihspidtherekciltilc5469
      @tihspidtherekciltilc5469 2 роки тому +3

      You're the only other person that's mentioned what I've done for decades.

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy 2 роки тому +2

      @TIHS PID the REKCIL TILC Hah, your name is cracking me up...😂

    • @tihspidtherekciltilc5469
      @tihspidtherekciltilc5469 2 роки тому

      @@shanesgettinghandy !!!sknahT

    • @majord.532
      @majord.532 Рік тому

      @@shanesgettinghandy 🤣

  • @nobodyimportant6141
    @nobodyimportant6141 Рік тому +23

    Working for Honeywell for 23 yrs makes me appreciate your excellent troubleshooting skills. You also have the best videography on youtube.

  • @martyb3783
    @martyb3783 2 роки тому +50

    Using hydraulic pressure to remove the rotor is the coolest trick I have ever seen!

    • @draperj7597
      @draperj7597 Рік тому +2

      I had to go back to see this, somehow it got past me. But i have to agree, it is one of the coolest tricks ive ever seen as well.

    • @bubba6945
      @bubba6945 Рік тому +4

      yes it works but oil or grease is easier to seal off than water but whatever works

    • @wades623
      @wades623 Рік тому

      Using some sort of liquid is pretty common for pulling primary clutches on snowmobiles. If you don't there is a good chance you'll bend or break the tool

    • @DMS20231
      @DMS20231 Рік тому

      Yep that was amazing.

    • @nikknm08
      @nikknm08 Рік тому +1

      That was pretty interesting, another thing I learned working on Generac standby Gens per disassembly instructions, it tells you to sacrifice old long rotor screw/bolt, cutting off the hex head and a small bit length, cut a slot to screw it back into the engine shaft so it allows you to screw in larger bolt into rotor shaft end to put force against engine shaft(thro old screw) and brake rotor free from engine that way. All warranty jobs that require that type of disassembly came with replacement long screw/bolt.

  • @kenjohnson5498
    @kenjohnson5498 2 роки тому +8

    Anytime i use a predator engine i always go through and re-torque everything i can before using it. They have a terrible QC dept evidently. The 301 and 302 cc are the same linkage and spring set up so you can order for a 301 and it will work on the 302.

  • @ouch1011
    @ouch1011 Рік тому +7

    So wait, the previous owner of the house went through 3 generators in 5 years? That’s insane. Either they did zero maintenance on those generators and ran them dry, or they’re junk (or both).

    • @christopherhardie1050
      @christopherhardie1050 3 місяці тому

      I've had a predator generator for over 10 years now and it still starts up with 5 pulls.

    • @matthewromano8801
      @matthewromano8801 2 місяці тому +1

      If he was running them at a minimum of 8 hours a day, that's 2912 hours per year. Guarantee he was running it a lot more than that.

  • @chrismarshall4523
    @chrismarshall4523 Рік тому +7

    I've been a mechanic for over 20 years and never saw the technique with water pressure.
    Brilliant!!!

  • @andyhamilton8940
    @andyhamilton8940 2 роки тому +9

    I agree with your valve seal decision. The head is at such an angle that any residual oil would run back to the pushrod galley and not puddle around the seal.

  • @cheapcookies
    @cheapcookies 2 роки тому +11

    As mentioned many times below, by others, it is *not* the valve stem seal. The oil ring is not doing its job controlling the amount of oil it should have anymore and the 2nd ring is not scraping adequately on downstroke, the excess oil is ending up between the top and second lands of the piston. As the engine warms up, there is enough metal expansion to minimize the problem and visible oil smoke. When it cools down, the excess oil pushed to the top is pooling in the cylinder after shutoff. (Take a borescope peek when it's cold and look at the small puddle on the piston's bottom side). On cold startup, out the exhaust it goes. The solution is new rings, hone the cylinder and break in the rings over several cold-hot cycles. And as you always do anyway, change the oil in 5-10 hours. I have a Firman (Chinese Honda clone engine) with exactly the same problem and am debating on ringing it or living with it.
    The Chinese (usually Honda clone) engines are not proving themselves, as evidenced by the shortness of their engine life and plethora of problems that arise after a year or so of use, regardless of the load/how often they are run. The real Honda/Subaru Robin/ and even older B&S engines hardly ever suffer these problems, in my experience. I blame the inconsistency of Chinese steel for the short life of their products. They are meant to make it past their warranty expiration and that's about as far as they make it.

    • @GunfighterWyo
      @GunfighterWyo 2 роки тому +3

      Moral of the story is to purchase a generator with a known brand name engine, Honda, Robin, Kohler, B&S, or other known good brand. The knock offs are changed just enough to avoid patent and other infringements lawsuits. They are just like the gonna pop Chinese trailer tires.

  • @jeepstermario9912
    @jeepstermario9912 2 роки тому +98

    you are wonderful instructor, your passion to teach is greater than most of my instructors in trade school I ever had or in the field. Great job and great content.

    • @DWerk
      @DWerk Рік тому +5

      Super help to a lot of DIYers. Great job - thanks.

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 2 роки тому +10

    Nice work explaining how the governor works with the engine block that is open from the top so you can see the governor

  • @mjg263
    @mjg263 2 роки тому +17

    Having multiple parts when you need them is probably worth more than the unit itself anyway. Good stuff!

  • @jeremiahjorenby2275
    @jeremiahjorenby2275 2 роки тому +15

    Fun fact (and I know this sounds counter intuitive, but it works) the closer you put the spring to the governor shaft, the more sensitive/responsive the governor will be. The only way I learned this was from a Onan NHC service manual. Since then I've been moving tons of governor springs on my equipment to the hole that is closest to the governor shaft. The usual side effect is some mild surging, but under a heavy load that goes away. So if you're having issues with frequency droop, give this a try.

    • @generessler6282
      @generessler6282 2 роки тому +1

      There are a few past videos where he does this.

    • @tacomas9602
      @tacomas9602 2 роки тому

      That helped me set up the PTO generator to run smoothly on my garden tractor. Thanks for your random comment !

  • @MacGyver-1
    @MacGyver-1 2 роки тому +32

    I hope nobody gets an idea that these generators are complete junk from this video, these actually are worth the price when comparing them to any other of the Chinese Honda clone generators from Briggs, generac, Honeywell, lifan, and many others. Proper break-in and oil changes keeps these running well for at least 1500 to 2k hours. The first two probably never had an oil change since new.

    • @jimthesoundman8641
      @jimthesoundman8641 2 роки тому +3

      Well, he must have bought at least four over five years. If we suppose he was running them 24/7, then he was getting about 11,000 hours out of each one before failure. Probably never changed the oil at all and that lead to the failure on each of them.

    • @jcondon1
      @jcondon1  2 роки тому +12

      The original owner definitely got his moneys worth on these. It does not take long to run up thousands of hours on a generator when living off grid. These are meant for temporary emergency power and not expect to last much more then 1500 hours or run 24x7. But they can last a lot longer if properly maintained and a little bit of luck. I wish that had an hour counter. It would have been interesting to see how many hours they had on them.

    • @5toolman6
      @5toolman6 2 роки тому +5

      @@jcondon1 Well at least you solved the mystery where the bearing race came from.

    • @chuklee7523
      @chuklee7523 9 місяців тому

      I have two of them. They run great. Change the oil every 50 hours.

    • @4Him4u2
      @4Him4u2 9 місяців тому +1

      …and, were probably run for hours and hours every day, being off-grid.

  • @treydogg77
    @treydogg77 2 роки тому +2

    Install a 250v 1/4Farad cap in line to reduce herz issue.

  • @rich10849
    @rich10849 2 роки тому +21

    Your skills are totally amazing James. Your ability to record and edit videos makes you want to watch them and your knowledge covering what you're demonstrating makes you glad you watched them.

  • @krzysztofsoja5301
    @krzysztofsoja5301 2 роки тому +5

    Hello. I had similar problem with excessive smoking on the engine startup with my lawn mower. I was worrying about rings or valve stem seal failure. It turns out there was a little bit too much oil in the crankcase; somehow oil has been pushed through the breather to the airbox causing really bad smoking at startup. I removed around 50ml and it fixed the problem for good.
    Actually I was surprised with excessive oil level, because when changing oil I removed every last bit of old one (changed when hot plus I've added cleaner so it was much thinner than usually). Hint for me was the spark plug - was covered in residue suggesting engine is burning excessive amount of oil and inside of the airbox - covered in oil. It was such a relieve not to have to disassemble the engine to fix the problem 😄

  • @dedowd9335
    @dedowd9335 Рік тому +1

    Thanks James you inspired me to not give up on my Champion 4500/ 3500 run generator from Tractor Supply 3 years and it worked fine here in Northern California during the summer outages and during the Snowstorm last December 2021 until day 6 when I couldn't get it started with out the help of my Son in law who had more Ummph than I did. I bought a electric 4650/3650 Champion to finish the Snowstorm and it works great even during this week long Snowstorm that just melted. I tried 2 times last week rebuilding the Carborator on the first one and it still won't start. 40 hours on both of them.

  • @tristanschaper281
    @tristanschaper281 2 роки тому +21

    One of your best videos!! That trick to hydraulically impact the bolt to pop the gen free, is genius! I never thought of that. Awesome job!!

  • @mrlister2000
    @mrlister2000 2 роки тому +2

    In the last 6 months I had 3 new generators replaced!
    The first Power King needed the bushes and AVR replaced after 2 months!
    The the same unit threw an earth point and the dangling wire kept arcing to the frame, causing a burning smell.
    The company replaced that with a 8kw Wolf generator and that one lasted 3 weeks before the engine seized.
    The replacement Wolf arrived and that last 4 months before that snapped the top off the valve. After speaking with theretailer it turns out the previous machine had done exactly the same but that valve snapped and dropped in to the engine killing it.
    I've had that one refunded and bought a P1 powered by a Hyundai 16hp engine, 8kw, from Amazon.
    Yesterday after 4 hours of running time, not continuous, in the sweltering UK heat, the engine refused to start up on my next job!
    Glad to report this morning it fired up with no issues.
    I wouldn't mind if the generators were going all day every day but they are used around 4 hours per day in total, but not continuously as I travel from one job to the next fitting tyres.
    My very first Wolf professional generator was still going after 5.5 years but i decided to get a new one as I can't afford to be without power, and thought getting a new one would last me at least another few years.
    Worst decision I ever made as I sold this unit and its still going strong powering a mobile catering van at the weekends for 8 hours per day!
    I love your videos by the way. You are very methodical!

  • @beaviswashere8009
    @beaviswashere8009 2 роки тому +28

    I would buy/make a spring tension meter to compare springs for the governor. The strength is affected by the spring material, which is hard to judge by eye. Yes springs are a pain when they are used like this and kind of "look" the same. Probably not worth it, but would be fun to see ! Thanks for all of your videos!

    • @KensSmallEngineRepair
      @KensSmallEngineRepair 2 роки тому +2

      Changing the moment arm length probably helped as you said Jim, affecting sensitivity

    • @adamdnewman
      @adamdnewman 2 роки тому +2

      Would be a neat tool

    • @generessler6282
      @generessler6282 2 роки тому +3

      Good idea. I'd think you could rig something simple that dangles the spring vertically, then hang calibrated weights over it. Some kind of ruler and pointer to measure the stretch.

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 Рік тому +1

      Luggage scales do the job for heavier springs. Lighter strength tension scales will be available.

    • @matthewcarpenter596
      @matthewcarpenter596 Рік тому

      Fishing scales would probably work too

  • @jonminer9891
    @jonminer9891 2 роки тому +17

    Hello, James. Both those generators have spent a lot of time with Mr. Dante. Not sure how far they descended, but suffer they did. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!

  • @Bass.Player
    @Bass.Player Рік тому +1

    I would be looking for oil somehow draining into the intake or combustion chamber when it's just sitting. Maybe somehow the breather is dripping oil into the intake side at the air cleaner? It almost can't be a valve seal because no oil remains at the stem when not running...

  • @tarstarkusz
    @tarstarkusz 2 роки тому +14

    It's hard to imagine how it would save any money to not repair the pole and instead burn gas every day for 5 years. Unless he has a large battery bank to save the power, this thing will just burn gasoline all day and night. Even when gas was somewhat cheaper, that is still not a good option.

  • @jameskenney5623
    @jameskenney5623 2 роки тому +2

    Lookup Vice Grip Garage and try an Italian tune up on the smoking machine. There a good chance it'll come around again. For $4 it's worth a shot.

  • @jeffclark2725
    @jeffclark2725 2 роки тому +3

    We have OffGrid homes around my area also a good source for spare parts,can really rack up the hours on a machine, Good find for all the spare parts

  • @goofe.washington953
    @goofe.washington953 2 роки тому +1

    At around 1:20 or so, the explanation of how the governor works, as it interplays with the spring and maintains equilibrium, was the best I’ve ever heard. Excellent.

  • @pete70091
    @pete70091 2 роки тому +5

    James, I have had a Predator 6500 since 2018 and haven't had any problems except for the fuel line drying out. I definitely over change the oil. I thought it was strange that the 5500/6500 you have has a 301cc engine. Mine has the 420cc. Looking at the Harbor Freight website they seem to shifted all of the engine sizes down per generator one size sometime since 2018. The 9000 now has the 420cc (not sure what it had before), the 6000 now has the 301, ect. The only reason I could see why they did this would be for emissions reduction, but I wonder what that does as far as performance seeing as they reduced the engine size by 100cc's but kept the generator head the same. Mine easily handles the entire house and all appliances (all propane). Side note, I'm not too far from you. Maybe 90 minutes from where I'm in CT. As a retired Navy diesel mechanic that primarily maintained and repaired large shipboard diesel generators (460V/1-1.5MW) this is probably my favorite channel. I look forward to Thursday every week. Keep it up!

    • @joepeterson8704
      @joepeterson8704 Рік тому +1

      I purchased my 9000 in March 2020, it was manufactured in September 2019 before they did a complete redesign of the 9000, and mine has the 420cc engine.

  • @wildefox1478
    @wildefox1478 2 роки тому +20

    It's a shame the first 2 generators had junk engines but at least they had lots of good parts and saved some other units, at least you were able to save one of them, nice work James!

  • @alvinhyman6838
    @alvinhyman6838 Рік тому +1

    Those lessons are the ones you'll never forget. People don't understand that most of the problems on new vehicles are communication related. When my son Graduated from NASCAR Technical Institute the speaker was a BMW technician that travels between Dealerships for those issues.
    Keep up the good work!!

  • @bobadam7021
    @bobadam7021 2 роки тому +9

    I have seen race car engines put a window in a block and do less damage then that. I have never seen a small engine block obliterated to that extent. That was an impressive failure. I really wish you would have said what you were asking for the smoker. How about running something like seafoam or B12 through it, maybe there is some carbon on the oil ring and it sticks until it warms up. I bet the combustion chamber is as bad as the other two so getting some of that carbon off can only help.

  • @chuckmayerchak3071
    @chuckmayerchak3071 2 роки тому +21

    James I really enjoyed your video. Those two engines had some severe carnage!
    I must say I was a bit disappointed that you didn't go a bit further on the smoking generator. At least a leak down test. Also removing the crankcase vent from the air filter while running would show evidence of blow by. Valve seals can often be had by valve stem diameter. A good NAPA store could possibly match something for you??? To me the way that engine clears up after a few minutes I would highly suspect valve seals and or guide problems. I would think an oil ring would keep on smoking.
    I also realize even a good preditor generator may not be as valuable as a so called name brand???
    I also wonder if a small dose of "snake oil" although I'm not a big fan may help swell those valve seals and free a stuck ring if that was the case??
    Again not criticizing your decision I'm only throwing out my thoughts. Keep the great videos coming!

  • @stephenbridges2791
    @stephenbridges2791 2 роки тому +5

    I would think that amount of smoke is a ring issue. It is difficult to imagine how that much oil would pool and stay around the intake with it being that high up. If it were blown through the crank vent across the seals it would still be a ring issue. Good to see you not lose a lot of money on two and a half basket cases.

  • @kennethgroves6552
    @kennethgroves6552 Рік тому +2

    Clearly abused by their previous owner. Nicely done. I love purchasing items like this and resurrecting them. I purchased a Champion 3500w Generator for 50 U.S. Pesos.
    After replacing the recoil rope, a valve adjustment, oil change & cleaning the main jet.
    It has purred. Never failing me. Champion could have done a better job on the governor.
    (As in a buffer.) At no load it likes to hunt a little. That is only a minor annoyance. When loaded, it runs at a constant speed. I expect too much from a Chinineseium product.
    The AVR is accurate it holds 122 VAC at around 59.7 Hz.
    I have also worked on Predators, which are ok, IF MAINTAINED AND NOT ABUSED.
    Anny way..... Nicely done Sir. Happy Holidays.

    • @jcondon1
      @jcondon1  Рік тому

      The hunting is just because it is jetted a little lean. Pretty common these days with new machines.

  • @lewiemcneely9143
    @lewiemcneely9143 2 роки тому +2

    My old Onan smokes like that but clears up after a bit as well. You did good fixing the 4 but that's what it's all about. BLESSINGS!

  • @mrobi5797
    @mrobi5797 2 роки тому +7

    Wow. Fixing 4 other generator with 3 used one. Pretty good value. Funny how destiny made you select first, the two that seem better, but were not repairable, and the worst looking one (third one) was the one fixable. Also, great job at cleaning it. It shows attention to details. Keep the good work, we need people like you in this world.

  • @Dr.-Smart
    @Dr.-Smart 2 роки тому +20

    i have the feeling when the engines were bought , they might have not gotten a proper "burn in" run , instead just ran out of the box without much attention paid to it and perhaps that caused his almost similar damage to all three generators

    • @OakesProject
      @OakesProject 2 роки тому +3

      I agree. Looks like they were ran until they were out of oil and grenaded. Notice the 3rd engine was low on oil. BTW, how much oil did you have to pour in that one to top it off James?

    • @matt_1984_
      @matt_1984_ 2 роки тому +3

      i'm betting so. Predator is the "cheapo" harbor freight brand, the 6500s are going for about $700 bucks. I could see someone thinking "oh, i'll just run it till it dies then get a new one" or it had poor quality control from the factory...

    • @michaeltarasenkoop2389
      @michaeltarasenkoop2389 Рік тому +2

      It’s amazing that most all generators are of the same configuration as to the lay out of the generator from the end of the power head as if they are all the same make !

    • @michaeltarasenkoop2389
      @michaeltarasenkoop2389 Рік тому +2

      why would he live off grid for 5 years ? The generators cost more than the power from the grid ?

  • @mikewilson8594
    @mikewilson8594 Рік тому +2

    I learned one thing from this video. I'll stick with my Honeywell Generators, at least for now. That's what we ran on our firetruck and rescue vehicles when I worked there.

    • @randybobandy9828
      @randybobandy9828 Рік тому

      How is that what you learned? You're making your assessment of the generators quality on 3 abandoned generators that probably had a few thousand hours on them and weren't maintained properly? Predator generators have a great reputation for being inexpensive and very reliable.

  • @sheilamclaughlin963
    @sheilamclaughlin963 Рік тому +1

    Water is a neat trick, never seen before

  • @jeffjohnsisland5551
    @jeffjohnsisland5551 2 роки тому +14

    Five years off grid due to owner being unable to repair power poles is amazing. I wonder what the cost of gas, maintenance and generators was for the five years compared to the cost of repairing the power poles. Generating off grid electricity via fossil fuels isn’t cheap compared to utility cost.

    • @s3dghost
      @s3dghost 2 роки тому +3

      Same thought running through my mind...

    • @pehden
      @pehden 2 роки тому +1

      3 generators later lol

    • @markheintz1878
      @markheintz1878 Рік тому

      Many years ago my electric company was charging 500 a pole and so much a foot for the wire. I can't remember exactly on the wire but it was high. It stopped me from buying many different parcels I looked at back then.

    • @Rubberfoxy
      @Rubberfoxy Рік тому

      @@markheintz1878 is there no insurance in the states??

    • @yohanathandowns9057
      @yohanathandowns9057 4 місяці тому

      Of course there is ​@Rubberfoxy

  • @hirampritchard5588
    @hirampritchard5588 2 роки тому +1

    Wow, ratchet straps, PB Blaster / WD 40 all that was needed was duck tape and the trifecta of in house repair work would have been achieved. Once again I learned something. Thanks

  • @passenger6735
    @passenger6735 2 роки тому +9

    An excellent description of how the governor system works. Thanks. I know you can't source parts but it's MUCH more likely to be the rings rather than the valve stem seal. A quick re-hone with one of those attachments that fit on a drill or criss cross pattern yourself with some fine sandpaper to bust the glaze, and a re-ring will put many useful hours back in the engine.

    • @James1095
      @James1095 Рік тому

      Those Harbor Freight engines are so cheap, it's probably easier to just buy a whole engine to get parts. Might talk to some of the guys that build go kart racing engines too, they often start out with a brand new engine and replace a whole bunch of parts right out of the box with aftermarket upgrades so they have stock parts left over.

  • @martinwalters3457
    @martinwalters3457 Рік тому +1

    Yes I learned more about gen. Today then in trade school . Thank you for showing me step by step and explaining each step.
    Anyone can follow you and fix their gen

  • @steveheld8869
    @steveheld8869 2 роки тому +3

    love your channel! I'm a carpenter not a mechanic but I was able to fix my lawn mower (Craftsman T1600 with a briggs) after watching you. Bent aluminum push rod. Thanks

  • @h.briseno8597
    @h.briseno8597 2 місяці тому

    I’m not a mechanic, but for some reason, I like watching these bring back-to-life videos. 😊
    You’re so calm. When my dad worked on anything, he was cussing up a storm. 😤😊

    • @jcondon1
      @jcondon1  2 місяці тому +1

      Glad you like them!

  • @tool717
    @tool717 2 роки тому +1

    I've seen many generators blow up in the winter here in Canada ... Many people don't let there machine come up too operating temp and put a load and then boom boom and dead .

  • @erichandyauto
    @erichandyauto Рік тому +1

    I've always thought and felt that Harbor Freight makes throw-away tools. You use the tool for as long as it lasts and then just throw it away. Seeing that repair parts are not available for this engine, your video reiterates my conclusions. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @LoftechUK
    @LoftechUK Рік тому +1

    I’ve seen this soot because the owner thought it was a two stroke. After a clean up was amazing and it looks like these was over used without a service.

  • @tihspidtherekciltilc5469
    @tihspidtherekciltilc5469 2 роки тому +1

    In 99 I lost my rusted but trusted 79 Ford pickup to hurricane Dennis trying to get home with the generator we borrowed from the company we worked for because our beer was getting warm. At the time we could only carry light items as the wind was at 100mph plus and sand hurts at that speed. Overnight the ocean had flipped the truck so there were tools buried everywhere including the generator which I really didn't want to have to pay for. The morning of the third day the wind and ocean had calmed enough that I could and did take the old diesel work truck we also borrowed out to recover the generator and whatever else we could get quickly as water was still coming over. Long story short it took three days of soaking the parts of the generator in reverse osmosis water to get the salt and corrosion out not to mention sand sand and more sand. I got it working and was told that they were going to sell it off for $50 anyways as it was old and leaked oil. Sold. I still have it too and sand still vibrates out when running.

  • @Channel-gz9hm
    @Channel-gz9hm 2 роки тому +39

    That's impressive to destroy that many generators in such a similar manner. Makes me lean towards operator error (stupidity). It's pretty unlikely to be anything else.

    • @neilmorten6416
      @neilmorten6416 2 роки тому +9

      I agree, most likely an "ID 10 T" error code

    • @JonnyMac351
      @JonnyMac351 2 роки тому +9

      Probably ran them out of oil

    • @carllockpick6179
      @carllockpick6179 2 роки тому +13

      It takes about 30 minutes, to change oil, spark plug, and air filter, no excuse. People must have money, to throw away.

    • @coreybabcock2023
      @coreybabcock2023 2 роки тому +4

      @@carllockpick6179 I got my wen 3800 running so well bought it for 300

    • @Wa_g3
      @Wa_g3 2 роки тому +1

      @@carllockpick6179 ugt

  • @rickbaker7507
    @rickbaker7507 2 роки тому +1

    Seems like you only get smoke after it sits for a while, on start up, it might be valve guide seals..

  • @geoffmolyneux9173
    @geoffmolyneux9173 2 роки тому +1

    Please look at counter balance shaft end view again of the break. If it is polished for a bit then grainy . The polished bit will tell you that it was flexing before it broke. The flexing will polish the shaft. Lots of smooth polishing says engine was running for a long time before balance shaft broke, and it broke when the minimum shaft diameter could not support the load/forces.

  • @TermitesRGood1
    @TermitesRGood1 2 роки тому +1

    I think theres 2 factors that made thses Engines blow up
    1) Owner Negative on (Oil running it without or low)
    2) Wear and Tear on that Spring which i think needs a Heavier Gauge to prevent this again,,
    What do you think am i Correct ?

  • @sherischneider2390
    @sherischneider2390 2 роки тому +1

    My husband uses a 4' air nozzle to blow dirt and leaves off before bringing most things in the shop. That keeps the shop cleaner and makes inspection and repairs easier. It gets a lot of dirt off without the potential problems of pressure washing them. He got the idea from a manufacturing plant the shot-peened all metal brought into the shop. That minimized the smoke and weld contamination from the oil and scale on metal sheets and other metal.
    PS; Great video. Thanks

  • @sungbyun3224
    @sungbyun3224 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for explaining the purpose of the governor. I always wanted to know the purpose of it and how it tries to reach that equilibrium. Please continue to teach as you make these repairs for us newbies. Thanks again for the wonderful videos you are making. I can watch your video all day.

  • @johndost3087
    @johndost3087 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for your thoughtfulness and logical troubleshooting I was able to epair my own generator. It's a relatively new Westinghouse wd9500df and from new only ran 48hz. As it turned out the adjustment screw bracket for the run speed and govenator had a weld broken. To make a long story short, the other weld broke while trying to straighten the bracket out. I then drilled two holes and put in screws and washers then bent the bracket straight. Then backed the screw out and started the engine. With my kilowatt adjusted to speed to 60.5 hz which held solid under load. Again thanks for your great videos. Keep up the good work.

  • @percival23
    @percival23 Рік тому +1

    There is just something hysterical about a guy who fixes generators to say: "Hey ...the power just went out"
    Thanks for that James.

  • @wrangler6977
    @wrangler6977 Рік тому +1

    One man’s junk is another man’s treasure. Looks like you made out alright w/ the purchase of these three.

  • @c.hundley9714
    @c.hundley9714 3 місяці тому

    Run mine at least 3 times a month. Always fresh fuel and oil. During long power outs, we run it into an inverter and run the freezer and refrigerator. Starts on the first pull. When the chores are finished, close the gas and let it run dry. We've gotten a lot of years on ours. Not a problem.

  • @JDLarge
    @JDLarge 2 роки тому +7

    Parts is parts! I’m psyched for you seeing that having junk to begin with you’ve still come out on top. I know it’s a balance but you definitely pulled a win out of these three scores. Thank you for the tutelage sir, you’re one heck of an instructor! 👍🏼👍🏼 from this guy! Looking forward to your next challenge!✌🏼

  • @rstephe
    @rstephe 2 роки тому +1

    Nice. Way to reutilize as much as possible. Saving money fixing them means you can save money to those who need them.

  • @tonythompson7448
    @tonythompson7448 2 роки тому +1

    You got your money back on just the starter charger coil an flywheel James you didn't go wrong for sure

  • @larrysmall3521
    @larrysmall3521 2 роки тому +1

    If the generators were outside there may be moisture between the rotor and ground. Clean the rotors good and let them sit in a dry place until they are completely dry. You can also bake them in am oven at low temp (~150F) to dry them out.

  • @jonathanfenne4948
    @jonathanfenne4948 2 роки тому +2

    I'd be temped to dump ATF down the bore for a week. I suspect the rings are sticking when cold due to excess carbon and allowing oil past. If you see an improvement, let us know! We love a followup. Great job!

  • @e-racer4673
    @e-racer4673 Рік тому +3

    If you are going to mix the old fuel with your new fuel, you need to add octane boost because that’s the first thing to go in the fuel is octane and that will cause your engine to spark knock, so just make sure you add octane boost with it if you’re running old fuel because overtime, it could very easily damage your engine.

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 2 роки тому +4

    Looks brand new even though it had been outside its entire life

  • @imouse3246
    @imouse3246 2 роки тому +2

    You should take a borescope with you when you check out 'new' acquisitions. 😅

  • @courtneykensington8190
    @courtneykensington8190 Рік тому +3

    I really appreciate how much detail and explanations you give with each video 😊

  • @QuanntumAI
    @QuanntumAI Рік тому

    Your ability to record and edit videos makes you want to watch them and your knowledge covering what you're demonstrating makes you glad you watched them.

  • @RyChipper
    @RyChipper Рік тому +1

    Your hydraulic method from removing the rotor was pretty cool! Multiquip uses an old rotor bolt, cuts it down and screws it into crankshaft, and then uses a bolt to in the end of the rotor to pull it off.

  • @krg038
    @krg038 2 роки тому +1

    Great videos. New generator, Changed the oil after first 5 hr run. Just like you said that swirl of silver was there. Thanks for all your tips and knowledge sharing.

  • @stuckinthe60s69
    @stuckinthe60s69 2 роки тому +6

    Nice to see you "de-bugging" a generator. Ants in the GFI is something new. Whoever ends up with that generator needs to have a good stock of oil on hand. No wonder it had a low oil light. Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work!

  • @haneyoakie14
    @haneyoakie14 2 роки тому +12

    Nice work and well worth my time watching you save the one and donor part to save 4 more (so far). As always, your in-depth explanations and your sharing your thought process provides the greatest strength of your teaching for us, the viewer. I always appreciate your candor, like when you include your trips down the dead end roads and the things that fool you, because we will travel the same path and have the same problems. I learn more from my mistakes than I do from my successes and I am happy you share your challenges with us. Thank you for top notch content.

  • @BensSightSoundandAuto
    @BensSightSoundandAuto 2 роки тому +1

    Probably explains why those generators were so stuffed, that's a long time to be running consistently

  • @Ed_Stuckey
    @Ed_Stuckey Рік тому

    1:27:42 Source of bearing outer race found at 0:58
    Quick check on comparing springs: Hook ends together and pull them against each other.
    Watching the spacing between coil turns is a way to judge relative strengths.

  • @er1073
    @er1073 2 роки тому +3

    James hey you got your monies worth an got 4 generators to sell and a bonus learned even more valuable information. Thanks for sharing old smoky might last for years like this. Ed

  • @jesterr7133
    @jesterr7133 Рік тому +2

    I had a riding mower that I revived a couple of years ago that had a governor spring issue. It sat outdoors for several years and the carb was rusted, so I was forced to replace it. When I finally fired it up, it was hunting really badly. I went through the brand new carb a couple of times thinking that it was an issue with the carb. After several weeks of fighting it, it finally occurred to me to try replacing the governor spring. I did, and it ran perfectly after that.

  • @johnslugger
    @johnslugger Рік тому +2

    The gas lines on mine only lasted 14 months before the dry rotted. Use only quality VITON rubber fuel lines when rebuilding these!!!

  • @jamesdiehl8690
    @jamesdiehl8690 2 роки тому +1

    I'm not surprised they were abandoned! You might be able to get parts from two to repair 1 of them. I have a Presator now that doesn't run (my 7th one). They're junk!

  • @butler386
    @butler386 2 роки тому +4

    Glad you were able to make other generators run with the parts machines. To bad for those engines though. Makes me wonder if they guy just ran them to low on oil for to long and they were damaged beyond repair. Great video at any rate. Thanks for the videos.

  • @robertpeters9438
    @robertpeters9438 2 роки тому +2

    Man, I would run pure synthetic plus lucas oil extender in such a gender! Less burn andl high temp protection! Ran my lawnmower on it for 20 years with part commercial use!

  • @mrpetit2
    @mrpetit2 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome way to spend 1 hour and 49 minutes 😁😄👍

  • @markmoran9716
    @markmoran9716 2 роки тому +11

    Thanks James, you always provide great videos.

  • @MrTonyPiscatelle
    @MrTonyPiscatelle 2 роки тому +1

    Springs can also be influenced by temperature in like an old wall mount thermostat. One that has been exposed to a lot of heat and weather can take on slightly different characteristics when in use.
    Well at least they were useful organ donors.

  • @dljones61
    @dljones61 Рік тому +1

    Realize this is an older video but after working on these 3 what’s your thoughts on this particular model generator. I do realize these were most likely not cared well for and ran for days on end most likely.
    Just your quick thoughts nothing too serious 🤷‍♂️
    Thanks
    Dave

  • @troyyarbrough
    @troyyarbrough 2 роки тому +1

    At 1:03:10 when it said "no more smoke" my first thought was "Yeah, it's out of oil." lol

  • @thepubliceye
    @thepubliceye Рік тому +1

    I have serviced a few generators myself and watching your videos I must say these Preditor generators are built quite well.

    • @jcondon1
      @jcondon1  Рік тому +2

      They are built well.

    • @Me-zo8yc
      @Me-zo8yc Рік тому +2

      @@jcondon1 Lack of maintenance can kill anything!

  • @neil6212
    @neil6212 2 роки тому +1

    A perfect plan for an off grid installation, where you really need the power...buy the cheapest generator(s) you can find, and never service them. What could possibly go wrong? Better off with a liquid cooled engine and four pole head for 1800 RPM.
    In my world, our plant actually manufactured generators in this range, which gave me some pretty good insight if the pre Chineseium generators. We found that the best heads at the time (middle nineties) came from MeccAlte and Sincro, both from Italy. I built most of the test systems for both on line and life test. We used mostly Briggs & Stratton and Honda engines.
    There were at that time only two shaft tapers, and a few bolt patterns on the engines. Engines in the same HP range would interchange. Engineering typical tested random generators off line to failure. The test equipment would vary the load, on and off, with varying loads. The idea being to work the set under standard load.

  • @MartinHentges
    @MartinHentges Рік тому +1

    You sir are the Charlie Daniel’s of the small engine generator… you definitely know your way around them Harbor Freight machines.

  • @sgtJOOSEcapeS
    @sgtJOOSEcapeS 2 роки тому +3

    Great day for upload 😊... today Will be a great day... morning 🌄 Sir

  • @FerrybigGaming
    @FerrybigGaming Рік тому

    1:22:41 Just to add more information: The spring only provides a proportional control. It doe snot need the integral or derivative aspects of a PID controller. If the load decreases, the speed drops by design. If you have 2 generators, you can connect them together after they are both started, and they share load about equally, as they both slowdown and both apply more throttle

  • @foxwood67
    @foxwood67 9 місяців тому

    I had a 6500 Predator. Bought it new broke it in properly. Never exceeded capacity and changed oil often . It served me well until the day I sold it for $125 less than I paid.

  • @fayiznalu8411
    @fayiznalu8411 Рік тому +1

    Excellent save for $60.00👍

  • @AZVIDS
    @AZVIDS 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome “marathon video”! Cannot believe both those cases were cracked open like that. 3:1 gennie conversion with lots of extra parts👍

  • @BeezyKing99
    @BeezyKing99 2 роки тому +1

    about $20 a genset... working or not... still a ton of viable parts if you have another engine handy that'll fit.

  • @bbarnett7667
    @bbarnett7667 Рік тому

    I have absolutely zero interest in generators or rebuilding them but I just sat through this entire video because he made it interesting and to the point and fun to watch.

  • @davidduma7615
    @davidduma7615 2 роки тому +64

    Its a sad commentary on our times when the old gas you drained out makes a noticeable payback against the purchase price.

    • @Bruces-Eclectic-World
      @Bruces-Eclectic-World 2 роки тому +5

      Yep! He got $30 bucks in gas, fixed 4 other generators from the same $180 buck spent on all 3 and has a mostly good running one that smokes a bit and needs rings.
      So all in all not a real bad deal. Now he did not mention the cost of the 4th one but still ahead of the game I'm guessing...
      LLAP 🖖

    • @LexPips
      @LexPips 2 роки тому +4

      Please it’s all relative! When I was a little boy in the early 70’s I remember my dad saying the same thing you said when his gasoline shot up from $0.30/gallon to $0.55/gallon post OPEC Embargo.

    • @Bruces-Eclectic-World
      @Bruces-Eclectic-World 2 роки тому +3

      @@LexPips Hay, I remember those days very well. They made it ill legal to carry extra gas in cans in your trunk in the 70's because of the OPEC Embargo because 2 times two people here in Indiana died because of a re-end collision. The explosion blow 4 other cars off the road as well on of the times.
      I pumped lots of gas for $0.25 a gallon back then... Lol
      Lots of people said they were going to stop buying gas when it hit $0.60... Lol If only some of them could see the price of gas today... Lol
      LLAP

    • @darwin9141
      @darwin9141 2 роки тому

      You got that right.

    • @lestergillis8171
      @lestergillis8171 2 роки тому

      "GO POWER SPORTS"
      Might have Predator parts.
      They carry a lot of stuff like that.

  • @chrisssmallengines7163
    @chrisssmallengines7163 2 роки тому +1

    The bugs look like earwigs . I also noticed that the head gasket was leaking on both of the bad engines , I would check the last engine to make sure that is not a problem in the future . Thanks for taking the time .

  • @JsRazza
    @JsRazza 2 роки тому +1

    Finally. I always suspected which state you were filming from. Now after your drive, confirmed! Hello neighbor!