Mike, this is the first of your videos that I have seen and I liked it. Suggestions: 1) Crop Your Personal PIP, all that is really needed is to see Your Head - when you are giving analysis. 2) And reposition Your PIP to the Bottom of the Screen when you get to the Post Impact and Follow Through parts of "the Swing(s). Thanks, Paul
Great review. Thanks for packing lots of content into short time. I like your style. Lots of other swing analysis videos are super slow paced/ very little content. You give lots of great points in short time No waste of time
I’m no swing coach but I did throw in the nineties as a pitcher and in baseball it boiled down to your ability to generate lag and torque. Separation between top and bottom half (hips clearing while shoulders hang back on target). Everything comes thru at the very last second. If all the powerful muscles pull the levers and they all hit on time sequentially, the human body can generate massive amounts of speed.
Would have loved to see a Down The Line review as well. Great analysis. I really appreciate comparing two pros with slightly different processes. Can’t wait for the iron evaluation of Cam Champ
Indeed. Especially when it masks the relevant content. Add to that the glare of the light in the background. There again, this IS the era of the narcissist and UA-cam has spawned thousands (possibly millions?) of them. Getting ones face in there is a must, but we should be grateful that at least he hasn't taken his shirt off too and oiled his body. Lol
Camera angles are so different. The tee box shows that the Rory's camera angle is a lot more front on. Which obviously means most of your differences are less 'different' than you believe. Champs angle is clearly from behind meaning hip rotation would look greater on both backswing because of the torso angle and through swing because it's turning away from the camera. In future use video where camera angle is the same. You seem to have a great working knowledge of the body's functional movement. I like that.
Marcus Luscombe Hey Marcus I agree ☝️ the angles are slightly different, but if you checked the two out on Gears I believe my Macro Idea about Champ has less linear push would hold up. I’d also argue we’d see some major differences in lateral bends etc.
Amazing how things change. Last 2 - 3 seasons we were told how Rory hits it so far, but now with DJ and Cam Champ on the scene plus the other huge hitters we're now told that the 'reason Rory isn't so long now is...' this obsession with length off the tee is not good for the long term future of the game I believe. Yes it is important but the guys who win consistently are the ones who 'make most greens in regulation' and 'who make the fewest putts'. Everything changes, and yet nothing changes. Life's funny sometimes.
Thanks Dave! Much appreciated! You're right it's tough to hit these positions without being as mobile as these guys! Let me know if there's any other Analysis's you would like to see in the future.
what are your thoughts on how effective these 2 methods of using the lead foot for combined (distance and accuracy 1) pushing off ball of foot and heel comes off the ground 2) weight is transfered forward to the ball of foot and then pressure is pushed through the heel to clear the hips
Rory actually led the tour in driving distance last year which a ridiculous for a guy his size (he's a fair bit smaller than Champ let alone guys like DJ or Finau). That said Rory drove the ball badly under pressure situations last year which cost him several tournaments including the Masters.
Ajit Bains I Absolutely Agree 👌 Rory is by no means a short hitter! However Champ is arguably 30 Yds longer which is ridiculous 😂 I think the way Rory moves into the golf ball is losing him some speed, as well control. He just gets a little stuck with the amount of linear movement he has 👊
@@KiwiGolfUS If Champ is 30 yards longer than Rory that means he's at least 30 yards longer than everyone else on tour and more than 50 yards longer than the tour average. I think you're probably correct that the linear drive costs some speed but it didn't stop Greg Norman and Ben Hogan from being historically great drivers of the golf ball. Perhaps however with the modern ball/driver combo it might be more of hindrance.
Interesting analysis. Both players are amazing no doubt. I noticed that both players body at impact is very open. I mean right shoulder lower and bend right hand. What i understand back and spine dont like bending and rotating at same time. Offcource they can do it but they are young and very strong. Rory has already have some back problems 🤔
Jukka Kymäläinen It depends on the players ability to withstand that amount of shearing force. Any golf swing is bad for the spine, but the take home point is some methods are worse. IE the more lateral bend lordosis you have the more likely you’ll be prone to injury over long term use. Long Term use is a pretty vague statement I know, but again it’s completely dependent on The players commitment to proper training/ a little bit of luck 👌
Thank you for your answer 👍 That makes sense. To me it feels safer to stand tall. Hips are open but more level shoulders. Well im midle age and im not hitting over 300yards 😏 Anyway like you said, it is invidual thing. If you can do it without strain and pain free then it is just fine 👍
It looks like both players initiate the swing with their hands using the weight of the club in the backswing to set the club and initiate the downswing with their hands using their body to leverage and release the club. Am I right?
Camera angles are definitely different so tough to compare certain points in the swing. Yes, Cameron's swing allows for more club head speed, but is guaranteed to bring injuries down the road. Rory's swing is much more bio-mechanically sound
Got to agree with the comments suggesting power or club head speed is not everything. Champ had driving accuracy stats of 55.49% last season. McIlroy led driving distance last season and had an accuracy of 55.5%. Considering the video analysis says Champ has more control over the clubface how is McIlroy able to be as accurate as Champ then?!
Kevin Johnson Speed is everything was not stated that’s a misrepresentation of what I said. Champ has a Stabler Rate Of Closure, let’s remember your only basing your stats off a few tournaments. You’re going to see Cameron’s Strokes Gained Off the tee be silly if he keeps swinging the way he is now 👌 By far proved that he’s going to be a better driver than Rory in the few tournaments he played. Let’s wait it out and see what he does next season bud
Like the analysis. Guy has an interesting swing. From what I have seen statistically Champ hits down on his driver 2-2.5 degrees. His launch angle is ridiculously low as well. His impact position and release technique work because he is swinging 130 mph. Kids please don’t copy and expect results unless you have godlike speed or are planning on hitting the gym.
@@garrettnobles8956 There are many misconceptions in golf. Too low spin cannot travel far, it tends to just stall in the air and fall. Too high spin does the same.
Mil Sneler you are right about the misconception part lol. Getting the spin number right is a crucial element in distance and fitting yes. Lowering spin can and does for most people equate to longer drives but lowering spin to much decreases shot stability. High launch low spin has been kinda the go to model in the last decade or so but what I have always liked to use when fitting is spin loft. So the more you swing down on the ball the less dynamic loft you want and vice versa. 12 is a good starting point for the average golfer.
For down swing, Rory’s swing is less prone to error as he planted his leading leg flat on the ground upon approaching impact vs Cameron whose leg lifted like those adolescent swing. Cameron can be longer but may spray left or right more often than Rory.
Philip Chan That’s debatable! I would track their driving Accuracy stats over a 2 year stretch to get a good representative of which player is more accurate. Just because one player is more accurate than the other... doesn’t mean their move is more accurate. You need a larger pool of data. As well define who your Target Audience that this information is relative too
true. rory basically tuned down his swing to be more consistent esp for his irons. Rory used to swing like Cameron but his coach thought it is better for him to plant the lead foot and stop rotating the hip by giving more time for his arms to catch up. watched a couple of rounds of cameron at waste management 2019, soon or later he will have to dial back his swing to hit more greens and fairways.
Different pivot for sure. However, I think Rory creates a ball of space late, right before his transition into the downswing. It's not like he doesn't create a ball and stays there, he just creates it late in comparison to Champ. Agree with most of your analysis, but I think Rory in terms of distance per pound for pound isn't too bad in comparison to the taller 6'0'' Champ. Also slight discrepancies from camera angles and maybe even swing path differences should be taken into account for the slight differences.
Hwang-jae Yoon Id argue your pound by pound argument! If you’re creating a ball in transition you’re pushing at that point. Rory creates a ball in transition. Rory hits a draw and Cameron hits a cut. That’s why their body lines are different. However you can push less like Cameron and still hit a draw with a stable rate of closure. Rory is stuck around impact on this swing, so he’s relying on a little flip to match his club face angle to where he wants it to point. His toe is turning over more rapidly than Champs.
I'm not a pro and Cameron is having a spectacular rookie season, but the truth is he hit's the ball too low (compared to ideal) probably because of his excessive left wrist flexion through impact. His numbers on the Tour website show an average spin rate of 3517 and a launch angle of 7.31. Compare that to Rory's numbers last year of 2240 and 11.9. But Cameron is in good company, after all Tiger used to hit low spiny drives all the time in his prime years.
shukigkato Sure the word “ideal” Or “optimal” is relative to the individual. If he’s hitting 25% more fairways with his current motion and those fairways are strongly correlating to lower scores.... I would argue his swing is optimal for his game. But, in terms of maxing out his distance yes, I would say those numbers aren’t optimal. However if you talk to him and his coach you better believe he can drop that spin rate and raise launch when he wants it 👌
@@KiwiGolfUS Exactly - he is basically playing a trap draw that he can control - he is 'golfing' his ball. I would also like to say that contrary to what the video says, I believe he is actually hitting down on the ball about 1.5 degrees as his stock shot - not up. I think his goto shot #'s that I have seen range data on is around 2700 spin, 9 launch and 1.5 down. He has so much speed to spare these seem to be the numbers that he has come up with to play golf down the middle of the fairway. Since he can hit a 3 iron 280 down the middle and a 7 iron 220, that takes care of all those 500 yard US Open tight Par 4s
Would you in the takeaway with Cameron champ when he starts the club going back the initial part of the takeaway the first part would you say he's pushing the club with his left side of the body or pulling the club with the right side of the body
Moving onto the left toe is a necessity when you open up the left hip so much so early in the down swing. It's just a way to make the leg lever longer.
I see the two different moves more as ways to generate accuracy. U either use a lot of lateral movement to keep the club head square longer or u can hold your flat wrist longer to do the same. These two players will hit it long no matter what swing they adopt cos they were trained to go at it from young plus their natural athleticism. The issue with pga players these days is not how long they hit it but how long (or short rather) they can maintain form with such aggressive moves and hence how long a career they can have.
winston yong Hey Winston I think you’re on to a great point here 👊 It’s going to be fully dependent on the PGA Tour and if they’re going to be searching for Longer and Longer Courses to play. If that’s their mission (which I believe it is... Distance sells) we’re going to see players have to adopt these motions to keep up with others who are willing to take the risk ☝️
I don't see Cameron's added length as that much of advantage. Especially during major tournaments. The longer hitter you are the less margin of error you can have in terms of accuracy.
Jon B Well Champs 2 Iron 280 7 Iron 220 takes care of a lot of long par 4’s in those majors... That’s if he’s having a horrible week with the driver 🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS awesome - half of the game is played 100 yards in. in that case he might as well carry 5 wedges then. hitting a 7 iron 220 has limited benefits. DJ can easily do that too but he doesn't. there's a reason all these guys have the very similar carries.
@@jonb2437 I don't know if DJ can EASILY do it, but with today's golf ball, hitting a 6 is not a disadvantage. Only advantage champ will have is having more opportunities to get inside of 100 on approaches. Maybe an extra handful of times per week, but this will help him be successful.
Hard to compare these 2 swings because they are trying to do different things. Champ is still young and new on tour and he hasn't got the knowledge and know-how that Rory has now. you can see that Champs swing is very free flowing and aggressive; similar to how Rory used to swing when he first came on tour. But as Rory learnt throughout the years, that is not the key to being a great driver of the golf ball and a consistent golfer. Rory has altered his swing for consistency and not so much about distance or ball speed. I think Rory has a very repeatable swing with loads of power and Champ has a very fast unreliable swing. If you look at the club path and where the club face is pointing during the swing, then Rory has the more neutral positions that enable him to be more consistent if he is having a off day. Where as with Champ, his swing is built for speed and lag and results in a powerful spring-loaded action but comes at the cost of consistency. For me this is very evident in the start of the downswing. If you look at Champs swing from behind, when he is at the top of his back swing; as he starts his downswing, his club head moves left; past parallel, and points left of the target line. This forces him to turn harder, use more wrist to get his club face back on plane and squared up and also he has to keep his hands ahead of this body during impact. When you compare Rory's swing at the start of the downswing (from behind), his club remains parallel with his aiming line and he therefore he can turn less and use less wrist action to square the club face. I think this is why Rory has more forward press than Champ does and why Champ turns his hips earlier and fuller than Rory does. Also Champ has a classic outside-inside fader-of-the-golf-ball swing where as Rory is pretty neutral. Early days Rory was more inside-out than he is now, nowadays Rory swings more outside-outside since his position at the top of the swing is so good and his shoulder turn is full which allows him to be parallel with his aiming line at the top of his swing.
Good video to compare the two but needs matching camera angles. Rory is straight on Cameron Champ is diagonal from behind centre so some of the observations may or may not be correct
Quite some comparison when the camera angles are not even close to comparable. Cameron Champ is a really, really talented and can tag a golf ball... But Rory can hit it insanely far too. Champ has not proved a thing yet. I wanna see what he does when there's a full field with guys like, DJ, Koepka, Rory etc. He's won 1 PGA tour event, Rory has 4 majors, and when he's fully on, he is unstoppable (my opinion).
Im not sure the stats agree with you. Cameron champs dynamic loft with the driver is low. So hes imparting less loft than his driver has meaning hes hitting down on the ball. So not sure how you can say hes hitting up on the ball?
P1 p2 p3 Stalled out. Right hand over left. Steady rate of closure. Linear push etc... all really doesnt matter honestly if you look at sam snead, couples, jim furyk , Hideki, Fowler, Adam Scott. Everyone has different swing and everyone of them can compete. You could make 400 in 390 and 10 or you can make it in 250 and 150.. really doesn't change the score
F L I get your point and there’s definitely validity to it 🥝👌 However Strokes Gained shows that it does matter how you get it done. Go look up where and how the best players are really getting their stroke gains relative to the field 👌 on “Average”. Not to say there’s players gaining lots of strokes with putting etc, just look up on “Average” how’re the best players gaining there Strokes. You’ll find it rather interesting the trend you’ll see 🥝👊
jdheelfan Absolutely Just destroys the ball 👌 I played Junior golf against him in Sacramento was very good back then, but incredibly more controlled with his emotions these days 😂 As we all do when we grow up 👊
LOL dude these camera angles are completely different. I agree with most of what you are saying. But to compare Champ & Rory you absolutely need to AT LEAST have the same camera angle on the two.
@@KiwiGolfUS I said "I agree with most of what you're saying." But not everyone knows golf like you do. It's confusing for some people without the same angle to reference. Yes, most of your points are valid... but having valid points means jack-all if no one understands them.
Nicolas Damiana Well “No One Understands” means 12 people that commented. I had about 50 people email me that said this Analysis helped them out incredibly. So unless I’m misunderstanding your definition of “No One Understands” you’re incorrect... Or did you mean some people didn’t understand you 🤔 Would it be better for those people who don’t understand to ask a question on what they’re confused on? Rather then tell the author they didn’t make this video friendly to Everyone? Wouldn’t that be more productive in helping themselves out? 🤔😂🥝🙏
Haha! My body hurts just watching. Two amazing players! Golf courses that allow for "out of position"approach shots, stand little chance against this power.
Great analysis. It dawned on me that if champ adopts George Gankas' leg work to his swing he may hit the ball even further as the move creates more ground force and faster swing speed. Imho.
keepurfaith That’s a great point 👊 He might be kicking that trail knee internal a bit too early for my liking, and I’m not quite sure I’m a huge fan of the amount he shears 👌
Does anyone notice how Rory is never injured? His swing is all based on core strength and if u look at body rotation and violence in cam it is no good for long term body care
I've had a look at Cam's swing recently and It has changed slightly when it comes to tilts. I'll have to make an updated video sometime in the near future
The answer is not longer courses. All that does is add undue expense to EVERYONE. Tighten the courses up, grow the rough, take 25% out of the tour ball etc. Golf is in a down ward spiral because the average Joe feels no kinship to the line backer type Pro of today, and it's too expensive to take care of 8000 yard Bomb it anywhere and gouge it out courses. Do you want another long drive comp?, or great golf? G>
none sense. will you stop running because the world record for 100m dash is 9.8sec and you can only do it in 15sec?? would you argue to let the top athletes run bare feet because they run much faster than you? get real by going to the gym and work yourself out. I gained almost 75 yards by doing gym and improving my swing. get real. period.
once you start carrying the ball over 300 yards, the benefits and returns start diminishing immensely. This is amplified even more so if your wedge games sucks. awesome drive. can't put a 60 yard wedge shot inside 12 feet? who cares. if you want to score, take a clean lie at 100 yards then rough out of 60. There's a reason why DJ became world #1 and won a major when he had the wedge game to go with his length off the tee. check out cameron's strokes gained on approach shots and around the green.
Jon B I never argued your claim 😂 You’re taking your personal opinion of my video and making a point with the assumption that that’s what I believe. Distance is more important over driving accuracy just look at the top 10 in the world right now they combined average 309 off the tee and combined average 59% of fairways hit. Yet they combined to average 1.444 Strokes Gained total. So the point being, distance is more important than accuracy. Not Accuracy is completely not important. I did not say that....
@@KiwiGolfUS my point is that anyone who plays golf at a high level knows that 300 yard drives are good enough. Anything past that is overrated. On the tour there is a premium for accuracy. Otherwise, you will never be competitive at majors. He plays a college style right now just wait.. his game will change if he wants to be competitive
I think you are over doing the analysis, horizontal, linear, etc. Winning tournaments or being a great player isn’t just about swing. Everyone on PGA or Euro tour hits it good but what makes a great player is totally different. At top of backswing Champ looks like Seve in his prime. Also how can you tell juniors to do a certain thing when you have not even seen their swing or physic.
Robert Reilly You can make recommendations to juniors that the model of less linear motion is a preference 👌 It’s up to their coach to put the individual touch to their swing. I can’t individualize the video to everyone but I can make general statements to which the individual can take and mold into something they like 🥝👊💯
chicagokid De Loft means taking off loft on driver. So if it’s a 10 degree driver and you presented 8 degrees of loft at impact you would be de lofting the driver. Hitting up means the geometric sweet spot of the club is rising upwards while striking the ball. You can do the two together by implementing lead Wrist flexion, while you add on right lateral bend coupled in with other body parts extending 👌🥝
Steve Cook Lol 😂 I said Miles per an hour.... I realize that’s incorrect it’s something I’ve been saying since I was a little kid. Still ingrained in my speech but working on getting rid of it 🥝🙏
Camerons angle of attack is negative 1.5-2 degrees (per his trackman stats). it looks like he's hitting up on the ball but really its down i'm assuming to add spin cuz of the low launch to get on the fairway. he has a fairway finder that goes 330-350..just insane..
NuoMas I know it’s ridiculous to think his stock swing is spinning at 3,100 and he’s still flying it 310-320 ish. I was basing this Analysis off the numbers I saw for the 350 Carry / 190 Ball Speed 👌
disagree..it depends on your swing speed and angle of attack and delivered spin loft. on tour averages around 2600 but you see bombers around 1800-2200..low swing speed players need spin to stabilize the ball so it doesn't duck or knuckle ball out of the sky
When the Ball Speed is 190 mph, with the low launch, this produces Carry. The higher than average backspin helps keep the Ball online. Haven't seen Cameron Champ's "peak height" numbers yet.
Hey Johnny, I've tried to minimize my PIP in later videos. I didn't really know what I was doing with my editing back then. Thank you for the feedback. -Mike
Not a good analysis as they are on different camera angles. Rory is more face on and Champ is face on but at an angle. You can see the difference when they are both at address. Golf ball is directly in front of Rory and at an angle for Champ. Therefore you can not draw the same 2 d lines and compare them.
As if what you like to see has anything to do with anyones golf swing. They are all a little different. Some guys do it differently that does not make them wrong. There are tons of short to average length guys on tour that mop these guys up weekly. Teaching this is useless. You probably work with one guy out of a thousand that can actually move like this.
George Crickmore What I like to See is not my personal opinion it’s been proven to work by machines like Gears ⚙️ Boditrack, etc. The Top Ten Players In the Official World Golf Ranking all hit it over 300 Yds and the average driving accuracy of those players together is 59.79%. So if you want to be an elite player it’s safe to say that you won’t go wrong trying to hit it over 300 Yds. Just because something is my personal preference doesn’t necessarily mean I teach it to everyone exactly the same. Also I never said I love Cameron’s Swing In it’s entirety. You’re the typical UA-cam Hater that tries to attack my positions with some type of logic fallacy. Nice try George try harder next Comment 😂🥝🙏
It looks like Champ is locking his right knee on downswing.. Big trouble with cartilage wear down the road. Tiger took his share- Champ will also. Better to go easy and last
@@KiwiGolfUS champ is wiry and with that sheer I doubt he will have knee problems down the road.. his lower back with clear might be problem in the future though.. seeing this stuff makes me feel like my 340+ drives back in the day with a 134mph swing would go forever with this new tech.. I'd like to see champ hit a original pv1 with a titleist K x stiff addila 350+... I bet he could...lol
Now I see why Cameron has back problems at such a young age... His career will be over in 5 years or he'll just be another mediocre long distance player.. like Han k Kuehne
At this point it's definitely looking like Champ will be another average player on the PGA Tour. I think the main reason why I'm rooting for him is because I played a lot of junior golf with him and know personally how talented he is. I hope he moves away from Sean Foley, and finds an instructor that will get him into a swing that will be a bit more friendly on his back. Thanks for your feedback. -Mike
Great Video! 100% right.. Cameron's left foot still could be turned out a little more would allow even less resistance.. and more speed. Check out GolfSwingMastery.com
Jordan, thank you for the constructive criticism! This video was a while ago and I've been working on my speaking skills sense then! I've never been a great speaker but I do think my more recent videos have gotten a little better. Thank you for watching -Mike
Climb out of champs arse!!! He doesn't come close to Rory. Camera angles are way out.. Why does everybody go on about distance?? Justin Rose doesn't hit it anywhere near these guys, and he is a much better player than both of them.. End of rant!!
Has everyone forgotten, golf is a game of misses? Miss less and win more! The basic fundamentals in the swing, ie balance posture stability etc = less misses, champ is fast! And so will his reign be. Bye bye. And for the kids... This isn't how you want to swing a club and hurt your body.... (kn## head 🙄)
Wayne's Cave Depends on your definition of “Golf”. Tour level golf you need more distance than accuracy. Let’s give some numbers. DJ was number 1 in Strokes Gained Off the Tee last year. Averaging less than 60% Of fairways hit. Average proximity from edge of fairway 28 feet. Official World Ranking Number 1, Number 1 in Scoring Average. The whole argument that distance isn’t “everything” is valid but can be better defined. Distance is a larger percentage more important than accuracy. Let’s say somewhere around 65-70% more important. When I say “distance” I mean off the tee. Now any golf swing that has lateral bends with rotation have potential to harm the lumbar spine. However their are certain models that are less prone to harm than others. Because Champ moves less linear than Rory Champ has less Lateral bend and a more neutral spine relative to Rory Mcilroy. Also, these players have trainers that are experts in myofascial release therapies that will keep these players careers extended for a long time 👌 So you’re passively aggressive response to this video is logically flawed but you do sound like you care about protecting the kids so we’ll give your internet idiot self a pass 😂🥝👊🙏
@@KiwiGolfUS so with your theory, all the long hitters should have been official number ones at some point.. You know like luke Donald, 😂 Justin Rose? He isn't massive.. Is fine I can see where you're coming from, but the real world is different to the text books...
Wayne's Cave I never said “all” long hitters are top tier players, but the larger percentage of top tier players are “long” hitters. You keep referencing that I’m using absolutes when I’m not 👌 In the “real world” a large percentage of longer hitters than Average PGA Tour players have been top tier players from the time Golf was originated. “All” is different than “large percentage”. If you can’t agree with that definition you’re more like a third tier feminist than a golfer 😂🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS DJ's body won't take nearly the toll that champ's body will. Take a look at their swings. If you think twisting your foot into the turf is going to be good for your left knee long term (maybe even medium term), you probably should study some biomechanics. This swing will be drastically different 10 years from now.
@@KiwiGolfUS hope so for his sake. Depends what he wants from his golf too. He doesn't need to swing that hard to be a pro, a long career with 280 yard drives is preferable to a short career with 350 yard drives. In case golf doesn't work out for him would be nice to have a functioning left knee and ankle. I suppose hip replacement is becoming standard too.
@@oliverizzard8751 Haha personally I agree, but if he's smart he's got insurance on his golf game kind of like Anthony Kim did back in the day! He'll be fine if he permanently injures himself financially, but no one wants to hurt their body that bad....
Andrew Prather Haha 😂 you should of said “Wannabe Professional Swing Analyzer” Or “Wannabe Expert Professional Swing Analyzer” that would have been more correct. To answer your passively aggressive statement I am a “Wannabe Swing Analyzer” I was good enough to get you to watch my Analysis 😉 and a few more people as well 👌 So yea.... I analyze brah 🥝👊
Mike, this is the first of your videos that I have seen and I liked it.
Suggestions: 1) Crop Your Personal PIP, all that is really needed is to see Your Head - when you are giving analysis.
2) And reposition Your PIP to the Bottom of the Screen when you get to the Post Impact and Follow Through parts of "the Swing(s).
Thanks, Paul
Great review. Thanks for packing lots of content into short time. I like your style. Lots of other swing analysis videos are super slow paced/ very little content. You give lots of great points in short time
No waste of time
Raymond Welsh Thanks Raymond much appreciated 🙏 Let me know if there’s any videos you would like to see in the future 👊
I’m no swing coach but I did throw in the nineties as a pitcher and in baseball it boiled down to your ability to generate lag and torque. Separation between top and bottom half (hips clearing while shoulders hang back on target). Everything comes thru at the very last second. If all the powerful muscles pull the levers and they all hit on time sequentially, the human body can generate massive amounts of speed.
James M 100% Agree with you James 🥝👌
Eye opening. Loving the channel. Why have I been trying to stop my lead heel for the last year...
Would have loved to see a Down The Line review as well.
Great analysis.
I really appreciate comparing two pros with slightly different processes.
Can’t wait for the iron evaluation of Cam Champ
Good analysis, but I see no benefit to having your picture in there, only detriment. It takes away from seeing the subject.
J L Man I thought people liked my face 😢
Agreed, just a distraction. And saying cool too much isn’t cool.
Robert Morley Cool 😎 🥝🙏
@@KiwiGolfUS keeping your customers happy, dumb, dumb, dumb, bye,bye.'Get your head out of there with those glasses on backward, cool boy!
Indeed. Especially when it masks the relevant content. Add to that the glare of the light in the background.
There again, this IS the era of the narcissist and UA-cam has spawned thousands (possibly millions?) of them. Getting ones face in there is a must, but we should be grateful that at least he hasn't taken his shirt off too and oiled his body. Lol
Camera angles are so different. The tee box shows that the Rory's camera angle is a lot more front on. Which obviously means most of your differences are less 'different' than you believe. Champs angle is clearly from behind meaning hip rotation would look greater on both backswing because of the torso angle and through swing because it's turning away from the camera. In future use video where camera angle is the same. You seem to have a great working knowledge of the body's functional movement. I like that.
Marcus Luscombe Hey Marcus I agree ☝️ the angles are slightly different, but if you checked the two out on Gears I believe my Macro Idea about Champ has less linear push would hold up. I’d also argue we’d see some major differences in lateral bends etc.
Amazing how things change. Last 2 - 3 seasons we were told how Rory hits it so far, but now with DJ and Cam Champ on the scene plus the other huge hitters we're now told that the 'reason Rory isn't so long now is...' this obsession with length off the tee is not good for the long term future of the game I believe. Yes it is important but the guys who win consistently are the ones who 'make most greens in regulation' and 'who make the fewest putts'. Everything changes, and yet nothing changes. Life's funny sometimes.
itzGolf Well go check your stats the guys that bomb it are hitting a bunch of greens too 😂👌 Helps to have wedges in
Camera angle for both set up were different!! Dun quite agree with u on certain things.
Philip Chan For what was discussed camera angles were sufficient 🥝👊
@@KiwiGolfUS nope. Use ball position as indicator - different angle so your points are exaggerated.
Wing Ping Fan They are not 🥝👊
@@KiwiGolfUS 'are-so' - pun intended.
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Really like the comparison oh to be younger. Glad I came across you channel. Great job..
Thanks Dave! Much appreciated! You're right it's tough to hit these positions without being as mobile as these guys! Let me know if there's any other Analysis's you would like to see in the future.
Never thought of how to utilize my left foot. Thanks for the analysis
what are your thoughts on how effective these 2 methods of using the lead foot for combined (distance and accuracy
1) pushing off ball of foot and heel comes off the ground 2) weight is transfered forward to the ball of foot and then pressure is pushed through the heel to clear the hips
Rory actually led the tour in driving distance last year which a ridiculous for a guy his size (he's a fair bit smaller than Champ let alone guys like DJ or Finau). That said Rory drove the ball badly under pressure situations last year which cost him several tournaments including the Masters.
Ajit Bains I Absolutely Agree 👌 Rory is by no means a short hitter! However Champ is arguably 30 Yds longer which is ridiculous 😂 I think the way Rory moves into the golf ball is losing him some speed, as well control. He just gets a little stuck with the amount of linear movement he has 👊
@@KiwiGolfUS Flexibility and body types are underestimated. It isnt always technique.
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If Champ is 30 yards longer than Rory that means he's at least 30 yards longer than everyone else on tour and more than 50 yards longer than the tour average. I think you're probably correct that the linear drive costs some speed but it didn't stop Greg Norman and Ben Hogan from being historically great drivers of the golf ball. Perhaps however with the modern ball/driver combo it might be more of hindrance.
Michael Schmidt Absolutely agree Michael 👊 Good Call 🙏
pound for pound Rory crushes him
Interesting analysis. Both players are amazing no doubt. I noticed that both players body at impact is very open. I mean right shoulder lower and bend right hand. What i understand back and spine dont like bending and rotating at same time. Offcource they can do it but they are young and very strong. Rory has already have some back problems 🤔
Jukka Kymäläinen It depends on the players ability to withstand that amount of shearing force. Any golf swing is bad for the spine, but the take home point is some methods are worse. IE the more lateral bend lordosis you have the more likely you’ll be prone to injury over long term use. Long Term use is a pretty vague statement I know, but again it’s completely dependent on The players commitment to proper training/ a little bit of luck 👌
Thank you for your answer 👍 That makes sense. To me it feels safer to stand tall. Hips are open but more level shoulders. Well im midle age and im not hitting over 300yards 😏 Anyway like you said, it is invidual thing. If you can do it without strain and pain free then it is just fine 👍
It looks like both players initiate the swing with their hands using the weight of the club in the backswing to set the club and initiate the downswing with their hands using their body to leverage and release the club. Am I right?
I was practicing the swing, club slipped and I broke a window. Thank you.
Jorge Tereso 😂 Please Don’t Sue Me 🙏
Time for New Grips on the Sticks, Jorge???
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Right after the glass replacement! :)
Very helpful 😀
How did you get "Golf" as an account name that's awesome!
Camera angles are definitely different so tough to compare certain points in the swing. Yes, Cameron's swing allows for more club head speed, but is guaranteed to bring injuries down the road. Rory's swing is much more bio-mechanically sound
Got to agree with the comments suggesting power or club head speed is not everything. Champ had driving accuracy stats of 55.49% last season. McIlroy led driving distance last season and had an accuracy of 55.5%. Considering the video analysis says Champ has more control over the clubface how is McIlroy able to be as accurate as Champ then?!
Kevin Johnson Speed is everything was not stated that’s a misrepresentation of what I said. Champ has a Stabler Rate Of Closure, let’s remember your only basing your stats off a few tournaments. You’re going to see Cameron’s Strokes Gained Off the tee be silly if he keeps swinging the way he is now 👌 By far proved that he’s going to be a better driver than Rory in the few tournaments he played. Let’s wait it out and see what he does next season bud
He didn't play as many events as Rory or the majors. also the ones he did, courses are not w difficult.
Like the analysis. Guy has an interesting swing. From what I have seen statistically Champ hits down on his driver 2-2.5 degrees. His launch angle is ridiculously low as well. His impact position and release technique work because he is swinging 130 mph.
Kids please don’t copy and expect results unless you have godlike speed or are planning on hitting the gym.
Hitting down is the key to get more spin on the ball for added distance
@@Mr.mallaer Opposite but yeah.
@@garrettnobles8956 There are many misconceptions in golf. Too low spin cannot travel far, it tends to just stall in the air and fall. Too high spin does the same.
Mil Sneler you are right about the misconception part lol. Getting the spin number right is a crucial element in distance and fitting yes. Lowering spin can and does for most people equate to longer drives but lowering spin to much decreases shot stability.
High launch low spin has been kinda the go to model in the last decade or so but what I have always liked to use when fitting is spin loft. So the more you swing down on the ball the less dynamic loft you want and vice versa. 12 is a good starting point for the average golfer.
For down swing, Rory’s swing is less prone to error as he planted his leading leg flat on the ground upon approaching impact vs Cameron whose leg lifted like those adolescent swing. Cameron can be longer but may spray left or right more often than Rory.
Philip Chan That’s debatable! I would track their driving Accuracy stats over a 2 year stretch to get a good representative of which player is more accurate. Just because one player is more accurate than the other... doesn’t mean their move is more accurate. You need a larger pool of data. As well define who your Target Audience that this information is relative too
true. rory basically tuned down his swing to be more consistent esp for his irons. Rory used to swing like Cameron but his coach thought it is better for him to plant the lead foot and stop rotating the hip by giving more time for his arms to catch up. watched a couple of rounds of cameron at waste management 2019, soon or later he will have to dial back his swing to hit more greens and fairways.
Different pivot for sure. However, I think Rory creates a ball of space late, right before his transition into the downswing. It's not like he doesn't create a ball and stays there, he just creates it late in comparison to Champ. Agree with most of your analysis, but I think Rory in terms of distance per pound for pound isn't too bad in comparison to the taller 6'0'' Champ. Also slight discrepancies from camera angles and maybe even swing path differences should be taken into account for the slight differences.
Hwang-jae Yoon Id argue your pound by pound argument! If you’re creating a ball in transition you’re pushing at that point. Rory creates a ball in transition. Rory hits a draw and Cameron hits a cut. That’s why their body lines are different. However you can push less like Cameron and still hit a draw with a stable rate of closure. Rory is stuck around impact on this swing, so he’s relying on a little flip to match his club face angle to where he wants it to point. His toe is turning over more rapidly than Champs.
I'm not a pro and Cameron is having a spectacular rookie season, but the truth is he hit's the ball too low (compared to ideal) probably because of his excessive left wrist flexion through impact. His numbers on the Tour website show an average spin rate of 3517 and a launch angle of 7.31. Compare that to Rory's numbers last year of 2240 and 11.9. But Cameron is in good company, after all Tiger used to hit low spiny drives all the time in his prime years.
shukigkato Sure the word “ideal” Or “optimal” is relative to the individual. If he’s hitting 25% more fairways with his current motion and those fairways are strongly correlating to lower scores.... I would argue his swing is optimal for his game. But, in terms of maxing out his distance yes, I would say those numbers aren’t optimal. However if you talk to him and his coach you better believe he can drop that spin rate and raise launch when he wants it 👌
@@KiwiGolfUS Exactly - he is basically playing a trap draw that he can control - he is 'golfing' his ball. I would also like to say that contrary to what the video says, I believe he is actually hitting down on the ball about 1.5 degrees as his stock shot - not up. I think his goto shot #'s that I have seen range data on is around 2700 spin, 9 launch and 1.5 down. He has so much speed to spare these seem to be the numbers that he has come up with to play golf down the middle of the fairway. Since he can hit a 3 iron 280 down the middle and a 7 iron 220, that takes care of all those 500 yard US Open tight Par 4s
Paul O'Neil Lol 😂 just another short Par 4. Great point 👊🥝
Optional spin for the ball to fly long is between 2500 and 3000. Too low spinning ball just drops out of sky.
I'd say it's optimal for him.
Launch it low spin it high and still averaged over 320 easy.
Would you in the takeaway with Cameron champ when he starts the club going back the initial part of the takeaway the first part would you say he's pushing the club with his left side of the body or pulling the club with the right side of the body
Moving onto the left toe is a necessity when you open up the left hip so much so early in the down swing. It's just a way to make the leg lever longer.
im really trying to mimic pieces of cameron champ can you give me a few keys to focus on but im lefty
I see the two different moves more as ways to generate accuracy. U either use a lot of lateral movement to keep the club head square longer or u can hold your flat wrist longer to do the same. These two players will hit it long no matter what swing they adopt cos they were trained to go at it from young plus their natural athleticism. The issue with pga players these days is not how long they hit it but how long (or short rather) they can maintain form with such aggressive moves and hence how long a career they can have.
winston yong Hey Winston I think you’re on to a great point here 👊 It’s going to be fully dependent on the PGA Tour and if they’re going to be searching for Longer and Longer Courses to play. If that’s their mission (which I believe it is... Distance sells) we’re going to see players have to adopt these motions to keep up with others who are willing to take the risk ☝️
I don't see Cameron's added length as that much of advantage. Especially during major tournaments. The longer hitter you are the less margin of error you can have in terms of accuracy.
Jon B Well Champs 2 Iron 280 7 Iron 220 takes care of a lot of long par 4’s in those majors... That’s if he’s having a horrible week with the driver 🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS awesome - half of the game is played 100 yards in. in that case he might as well carry 5 wedges then. hitting a 7 iron 220 has limited benefits. DJ can easily do that too but he doesn't. there's a reason all these guys have the very similar carries.
@@jonb2437 I don't know if DJ can EASILY do it, but with today's golf ball, hitting a 6 is not a disadvantage. Only advantage champ will have is having more opportunities to get inside of 100 on approaches. Maybe an extra handful of times per week, but this will help him be successful.
Hard to compare these 2 swings because they are trying to do different things.
Champ is still young and new on tour and he hasn't got the knowledge and know-how that Rory has now.
you can see that Champs swing is very free flowing and aggressive; similar to how Rory used to swing when he first came on tour. But as Rory learnt throughout the years, that is not the key to being a great driver of the golf ball and a consistent golfer.
Rory has altered his swing for consistency and not so much about distance or ball speed. I think Rory has a very repeatable swing with loads of power and Champ has a very fast unreliable swing.
If you look at the club path and where the club face is pointing during the swing, then Rory has the more neutral positions that enable him to be more consistent if he is having a off day. Where as with Champ, his swing is built for speed and lag and results in a powerful spring-loaded action but comes at the cost of consistency. For me this is very evident in the start of the downswing. If you look at Champs swing from behind, when he is at the top of his back swing; as he starts his downswing, his club head moves left; past parallel, and points left of the target line. This forces him to turn harder, use more wrist to get his club face back on plane and squared up and also he has to keep his hands ahead of this body during impact. When you compare Rory's swing at the start of the downswing (from behind), his club remains parallel with his aiming line and he therefore he can turn less and use less wrist action to square the club face. I think this is why Rory has more forward press than Champ does and why Champ turns his hips earlier and fuller than Rory does.
Also Champ has a classic outside-inside fader-of-the-golf-ball swing where as Rory is pretty neutral. Early days Rory was more inside-out than he is now, nowadays Rory swings more outside-outside since his position at the top of the swing is so good and his shoulder turn is full which allows him to be parallel with his aiming line at the top of his swing.
Do you have any of their pressure data to back up the fact that Cameron uses "way more vertical force than Rory"?
Jack Walsh Go do your research 🥝👊
Good video to compare the two but needs matching camera angles. Rory is straight on Cameron Champ is diagonal from behind centre so some of the observations may or may not be correct
Quite some comparison when the camera angles are not even close to comparable. Cameron Champ is a really, really talented and can tag a golf ball... But Rory can hit it insanely far too. Champ has not proved a thing yet. I wanna see what he does when there's a full field with guys like, DJ, Koepka, Rory etc. He's won 1 PGA tour event, Rory has 4 majors, and when he's fully on, he is unstoppable (my opinion).
Jack Walsh The angles are close enough for the comparisons I made 🥝👌 I can’t wait to see what Champ does next year as well!
Im not sure the stats agree with you. Cameron champs dynamic loft with the driver is low. So hes imparting less loft than his driver has meaning hes hitting down on the ball. So not sure how you can say hes hitting up on the ball?
Also, it would be awesome if you broke down DJ v Koepka and DJ v Champ. Love the video man, thanks!
P1 p2 p3 Stalled out. Right hand over left. Steady rate of closure. Linear push etc... all really doesnt matter honestly if you look at sam snead, couples, jim furyk , Hideki, Fowler, Adam Scott. Everyone has different swing and everyone of them can compete. You could make 400 in 390 and 10 or you can make it in 250 and 150.. really doesn't change the score
F L I get your point and there’s definitely validity to it 🥝👌 However Strokes Gained shows that it does matter how you get it done.
Go look up where and how the best players are really getting their stroke gains relative to the field 👌 on “Average”. Not to say there’s players gaining lots of strokes with putting etc, just look up on “Average” how’re the best players gaining there Strokes. You’ll find it rather interesting the trend you’ll see 🥝👊
GOOD GOLF VIDEO~^^ㅎㅎ
He doesn’t resist with the lower body. His swing is a spiral with tilt. He keeps his head behind the ball. Effortless power
jdheelfan Absolutely Just destroys the ball 👌 I played Junior golf against him in Sacramento was very good back then, but incredibly more controlled with his emotions these days 😂 As we all do when we grow up 👊
Does he hit down on the driver 1-3 degrees?!
Rory has 4 majors, and he’s been hitting long balls for years. Champ is good too but we’ll have to see how he does going forward
Willie O'Laughlin Yessir the Analysis was my Opinion not actual fact 🥝👌 Very much looking forward to watching their careers
LOL dude these camera angles are completely different. I agree with most of what you are saying. But to compare Champ & Rory you absolutely need to AT LEAST have the same camera angle on the two.
Nicolas Damiana Points are valid still 🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS I said "I agree with most of what you're saying." But not everyone knows golf like you do. It's confusing for some people without the same angle to reference. Yes, most of your points are valid... but having valid points means jack-all if no one understands them.
Nicolas Damiana Well “No One Understands” means 12 people that commented. I had about 50 people email me that said this Analysis helped them out incredibly. So unless I’m misunderstanding your definition of “No One Understands” you’re incorrect... Or did you mean some people didn’t understand you 🤔 Would it be better for those people who don’t understand to ask a question on what they’re confused on? Rather then tell the author they didn’t make this video friendly to Everyone? Wouldn’t that be more productive in helping themselves out? 🤔😂🥝🙏
Omg please do a video Drew Cooper swing too please
Haha! My body hurts just watching. Two amazing players! Golf courses that allow for "out of position"approach shots, stand little chance against this power.
Garth Downton I agree ☝️👊 The modern courses will be all about distance!
When you can stand on the tee box without consequence of an errant tee shot IMO the game has lost identity!
Great analysis. It dawned on me that if champ adopts George Gankas' leg work to his swing he may hit the ball even further as the move creates more ground force and faster swing speed. Imho.
keepurfaith That’s a great point 👊 He might be kicking that trail knee internal a bit too early for my liking, and I’m not quite sure I’m a huge fan of the amount he shears 👌
Does anyone notice how Rory is never injured? His swing is all based on core strength and if u look at body rotation and violence in cam it is no good for long term body care
I've had a look at Cam's swing recently and It has changed slightly when it comes to tilts. I'll have to make an updated video sometime in the near future
Cool.
Dude sahhhh... Cool 😎
camera angles...
can’t compare these swings with two completeltey different angles
John Hayes Yes you can and I did 👊🥝
Champ hits down several degrees with driver.
Patrick Miller For his fairway finder 🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS nope. He always does it. Ping put out a video of him hitting on trackman and his longest drive was still down with high spin
Just hope Cam avoids injury with that swing.
are you serious? its fluid af
I'll take Rory's swing all day!
SuperYoda7 Go for it Yoda 👊
The answer is not longer courses. All that does is add undue expense to EVERYONE. Tighten the courses up, grow the rough, take 25% out of the tour ball etc. Golf is in a down ward spiral because the average Joe feels no kinship to the line backer type Pro of today, and it's too expensive to take care of 8000 yard Bomb it anywhere and gouge it out courses. Do you want another long drive comp?, or great golf? G>
none sense. will you stop running because the world record for 100m dash is 9.8sec and you can only do it in 15sec?? would you argue to let the top athletes run bare feet because they run much faster than you? get real by going to the gym and work yourself out. I gained almost 75 yards by doing gym and improving my swing. get real. period.
once you start carrying the ball over 300 yards, the benefits and returns start diminishing immensely. This is amplified even more so if your wedge games sucks. awesome drive. can't put a 60 yard wedge shot inside 12 feet? who cares. if you want to score, take a clean lie at 100 yards then rough out of 60. There's a reason why DJ became world #1 and won a major when he had the wedge game to go with his length off the tee. check out cameron's strokes gained on approach shots and around the green.
Jon B I never argued your claim 😂 You’re taking your personal opinion of my video and making a point with the assumption that that’s what I believe.
Distance is more important over driving accuracy just look at the top 10 in the world right now they combined average 309 off the tee and combined average 59% of fairways hit. Yet they combined to average 1.444 Strokes Gained total.
So the point being, distance is more important than accuracy. Not Accuracy is completely not important. I did not say that....
@@KiwiGolfUS my point is that anyone who plays golf at a high level knows that 300 yard drives are good enough. Anything past that is overrated. On the tour there is a premium for accuracy. Otherwise, you will never be competitive at majors. He plays a college style right now just wait.. his game will change if he wants to be competitive
I think you are over doing the analysis, horizontal, linear, etc. Winning tournaments or being a great player isn’t just about swing. Everyone on PGA or Euro tour hits it good but what makes a great player is totally different. At top of backswing Champ looks like Seve in his prime. Also how can you tell juniors to do a certain thing when you have not even seen their swing or physic.
Robert Reilly You can make recommendations to juniors that the model of less linear motion is a preference 👌 It’s up to their coach to put the individual touch to their swing. I can’t individualize the video to everyone but I can make general statements to which the individual can take and mold into something they like 🥝👊💯
Different video angles can make comparisons inaccurate, just saying. Good video though.
Jon Todd Thanks Jon I appreciate your comment 🙏 Only if I tried to analyze items that need to be viewed from a certain angle / camera height 👌
You need to level off the music volume dude - nearly blew my ears off!!
Ed Haha 😂 just wanted to make sure you’re awake Ed 🥝👌
Good analysis, but no one can exceed one's potential. ;)
Stephen O'Sullivan haha 😂 you got me there 👊🙏
Wrong. Look at Rory’s hip cap in the backswing
m.ua-cam.com/video/fxFRXilzmAw/v-deo.html
John Hayes Thanks John 🥝🙏
De-loft and hit on the up????!!!???
Is that similar to slicing with a hook spin and therefore it goes straight?
chicagokid De Loft means taking off loft on driver. So if it’s a 10 degree driver and you presented 8 degrees of loft at impact you would be de lofting the driver. Hitting up means the geometric sweet spot of the club is rising upwards while striking the ball. You can do the two together by implementing lead Wrist flexion, while you add on right lateral bend coupled in with other body parts extending 👌🥝
Champ is a big guy compared to Rory- major swing arc difference with longer arms and legs- wider shoulders
Flabius Mabius Sure 👌 That’s definitely a point, but if the two optimized out there swings with the same body who would be longer 🤔
2:12 Miles per nour?
Steve Cook Lol 😂 I said Miles per an hour.... I realize that’s incorrect it’s something I’ve been saying since I was a little kid. Still ingrained in my speech but working on getting rid of it 🥝🙏
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Thank You So Much 🥝🙏 Let me know if there’s any topics you would Like to See in the future 👊
Useful stuff. Your shades are a bit distracting!
Thanks Mark! I will make sure to take them off next time! Let me know what type of videos you would like to see in the future!
mikesogacademy can we have videos without shades on the back of your head
My two cents concerning Rory’s play of late is just that, he’s a bit too late. Same great swing but is slowing getting the club to impact.
Comparison at impact is wrong I am sure, Rory was at impact Camaeron still had some way to go before the club head was at impact
Camerons angle of attack is negative 1.5-2 degrees (per his trackman stats). it looks like he's hitting up on the ball but really its down i'm assuming to add spin cuz of the low launch to get on the fairway. he has a fairway finder that goes 330-350..just insane..
NuoMas I know it’s ridiculous to think his stock swing is spinning at 3,100 and he’s still flying it 310-320 ish. I was basing this Analysis off the numbers I saw for the 350 Carry / 190 Ball Speed 👌
Too low spin is a distance killer. Ideal is around 3000.
disagree..it depends on your swing speed and angle of attack and delivered spin loft. on tour averages around 2600 but you see bombers around 1800-2200..low swing speed players need spin to stabilize the ball so it doesn't duck or knuckle ball out of the sky
When the Ball Speed is 190 mph, with the low launch, this produces Carry. The higher than average backspin helps keep the Ball online.
Haven't seen Cameron Champ's "peak height" numbers yet.
lol is he saying “miles pern hour”?
Ryan Costello That’s not how it’s pronounced 🤔😉😂👌🙏
“cool” 😂
TrojanMars1 “Cool” 🤔🥝🌮
Unless we learn to regrown body parts Cameron won't be able to maintain that swing forever.
Chad Michael Mobile I think his trainer will take care of him 🥝👊
Make your picture smaller or take it out altogether,
Hey Johnny,
I've tried to minimize my PIP in later videos. I didn't really know what I was doing with my editing back then. Thank you for the feedback.
-Mike
@@KiwiGolfUS good analysis though :)
@@Kletusthetightlippedacademic Thank you 🙏 I’ll have some more videos coming soon. Thank you for watching
Not a good analysis as they are on different camera angles. Rory is more face on and Champ is face on but at an angle. You can see the difference when they are both at address. Golf ball is directly in front of Rory and at an angle for Champ. Therefore you can not draw the same 2 d lines and compare them.
Sorry, did you say per AN hour?
Paul Pavich I did 😂 Thanks for pointing it out 🥝🙏
@@KiwiGolfUS ua-cam.com/video/UohPENEGAtg/v-deo.html
As if what you like to see has anything to do with anyones golf swing. They are all a little different. Some guys do it differently that does not make them wrong. There are tons of short to average length guys on tour that mop these guys up weekly. Teaching this is useless. You probably work with one guy out of a thousand that can actually move like this.
George Crickmore What I like to See is not my personal opinion it’s been proven to work by machines like Gears ⚙️ Boditrack, etc.
The Top Ten Players In the Official World Golf Ranking all hit it over 300 Yds and the average driving accuracy of those players together is 59.79%. So if you want to be an elite player it’s safe to say that you won’t go wrong trying to hit it over 300 Yds.
Just because something is my personal preference doesn’t necessarily mean I teach it to everyone exactly the same. Also I never said I love Cameron’s Swing In it’s entirety.
You’re the typical UA-cam Hater that tries to attack my positions with some type of logic fallacy. Nice try George try harder next Comment 😂🥝🙏
You sound surprisingly.....American for a Kiwi 😂
I'll have to block this comment....
It looks like Champ is locking his right knee on downswing.. Big trouble with cartilage wear down the road. Tiger took his share- Champ will also. Better to go easy and last
Flabius Mabius I agree ☝️ not a fan how that lead knee locks early, that’s why he has to shear 👊
@@KiwiGolfUS champ is wiry and with that sheer I doubt he will have knee problems down the road.. his lower back with clear might be problem in the future though.. seeing this stuff makes me feel like my 340+ drives back in the day with a 134mph swing would go forever with this new tech.. I'd like to see champ hit a original pv1 with a titleist K x stiff addila 350+... I bet he could...lol
two different camera ankles. Rory looks closed Cameron open.I don't really know if I can trust those lines of your analysis
Check other videos on UA-cam they’re accurate 👊🥝
Cameron Champ is a beast but take Rory's swing over Champ's 10 times out of 10..thats just a proven fact
Are we supposed to look at their swings or your pretty face?
Kevin Zhao 😂 I mean come on my face makes the video let’s be real....
Dude.. your blocking the view.. I can hear you just fine w/o the window. Good breakdown tho.
Bummer about d split screen. Totally distracting and unnecessary
your intro music is too loud. Balance out the audio if you want views
Now I see why Cameron has back problems at such a young age... His career will be over in 5 years or he'll just be another mediocre long distance player.. like Han k Kuehne
At this point it's definitely looking like Champ will be another average player on the PGA Tour. I think the main reason why I'm rooting for him is because I played a lot of junior golf with him and know personally how talented he is.
I hope he moves away from Sean Foley, and finds an instructor that will get him into a swing that will be a bit more friendly on his back. Thanks for your feedback.
-Mike
Great Video! 100% right.. Cameron's left foot still could be turned out a little more would allow even less resistance.. and more speed. Check out GolfSwingMastery.com
You have a bad verbal tick saying cool in a monotone voice. It's off-putting
Jordan, thank you for the constructive criticism! This video was a while ago and I've been working on my speaking skills sense then!
I've never been a great speaker but I do think my more recent videos have gotten a little better. Thank you for watching
-Mike
Climb out of champs arse!!! He doesn't come close to Rory. Camera angles are way out.. Why does everybody go on about distance?? Justin Rose doesn't hit it anywhere near these guys, and he is a much better player than both of them.. End of rant!!
Quinny 05 Thanks Quinny great add to the conversation 🥝🙏
Justin rose hits the ball pretty long
360 yard drive on the 18th hole at tour championship** @@cobra1995xx
cobra1995xx I agree ☝️ They all do for the most part these days 🥝👊
Gordon Jarvis Hey Gordon 👋 Nice to see you on UA-cam 😂👊
Cameron champ actually hits down on his driver. Should do some research before making the video
Has everyone forgotten, golf is a game of misses? Miss less and win more! The basic fundamentals in the swing, ie balance posture stability etc = less misses, champ is fast! And so will his reign be. Bye bye. And for the kids... This isn't how you want to swing a club and hurt your body.... (kn## head 🙄)
Wayne's Cave Depends on your definition of “Golf”. Tour level golf you need more distance than accuracy. Let’s give some numbers. DJ was number 1 in Strokes Gained Off the Tee last year. Averaging less than 60% Of fairways hit. Average proximity from edge of fairway 28 feet.
Official World Ranking Number 1, Number 1 in Scoring Average.
The whole argument that distance isn’t “everything” is valid but can be better defined. Distance is a larger percentage more important than accuracy. Let’s say somewhere around 65-70% more important. When I say “distance” I mean off the tee.
Now any golf swing that has lateral bends with rotation have potential to harm the lumbar spine. However their are certain models that are less prone to harm than others. Because Champ moves less linear than Rory Champ has less Lateral bend and a more neutral spine relative to Rory Mcilroy.
Also, these players have trainers that are experts in myofascial release therapies that will keep these players careers extended for a long time 👌
So you’re passively aggressive response to this video is logically flawed but you do sound like you care about protecting the kids so we’ll give your internet idiot self a pass 😂🥝👊🙏
@@KiwiGolfUS so with your theory, all the long hitters should have been official number ones at some point.. You know like luke Donald, 😂 Justin Rose? He isn't massive..
Is fine I can see where you're coming from, but the real world is different to the text books...
Wayne's Cave I never said “all” long hitters are top tier players, but the larger percentage of top tier players are “long” hitters.
You keep referencing that I’m using absolutes when I’m not 👌 In the “real world” a large percentage of longer hitters than Average PGA Tour players have been top tier players from the time Golf was originated.
“All” is different than “large percentage”. If you can’t agree with that definition you’re more like a third tier feminist than a golfer 😂🥝👌
@@KiwiGolfUS DJ's body won't take nearly the toll that champ's body will. Take a look at their swings. If you think twisting your foot into the turf is going to be good for your left knee long term (maybe even medium term), you probably should study some biomechanics. This swing will be drastically different 10 years from now.
I would much rather Rory’s trophy cabinet. 🙄 jeez
champ nowhere near mcllroy in talent,it’s not just about how far you can hit it fffs
Cameron's career will be over at age 35 unless he gets robotic limb implants.
oliver izzard We’ll See 👌 I’m sure he has a great trainer that’ll keep him safe if he listens 🥝👊
@@KiwiGolfUS hope so for his sake. Depends what he wants from his golf too. He doesn't need to swing that hard to be a pro, a long career with 280 yard drives is preferable to a short career with 350 yard drives. In case golf doesn't work out for him would be nice to have a functioning left knee and ankle. I suppose hip replacement is becoming standard too.
Actually his swing is built now to last a lifetime. It's totally a strain free and natural movement. It's a lot like Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer.
And Sam Snead
@@oliverizzard8751 Haha personally I agree, but if he's smart he's got insurance on his golf game kind of like Anthony Kim did back in the day! He'll be fine if he permanently injures himself financially, but no one wants to hurt their body that bad....
Wannabe swing analyzer
Andrew Prather Haha 😂 you should of said “Wannabe Professional Swing Analyzer” Or “Wannabe Expert Professional Swing Analyzer” that would have been more correct.
To answer your passively aggressive statement I am a “Wannabe Swing Analyzer” I was good enough to get you to watch my Analysis 😉 and a few more people as well 👌 So yea.... I analyze brah 🥝👊
Using the word cool at the end of every sentence is annoying, keep trying
Steven Olson Keep watching 😉🥝👊🙏
Cool
“cool” 😂
TrojanMars1 Cool 😉😂🥝👌