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Willem Dafoe just put forth an acting masterclass in that scene. If "Norman's on sabatical honey" wasn't already scary enough, him just smiling harder when Peter was throwing haymakers at him made me scared of him
@@Efc124 I personally think she insisted. He said Ned and MJ to go away so he'd probably tell May that too but she refused. That's my headcanon at least
i think another reason he targets may is because of how in the original raimi movie, he has just realized that peter is spider-man and is about to head off to aunt may's house to blow it up lol
I just love how Peter goes through so much in this scene, getting his ass beat, losing may, getting shot and having to leave her, and then just listen as Jameson continues to talk shit about him in the rain. It's just SO GOOD.
My favorite part about the Jameson scene is I took that as being a way of showing what Peter is thinking. After how horribly wrong everything just went, I can imagine he’s thinking of himself as just as much of a failure that Jameson is yelling he is.
Tom's SPIDER SENSE scene with Norman is the best scene of the movie, yeah. Where Peter's sense is on high alert, but he doesn't know what danger is going to came, he just walk around uncomfortably around 5 supervillains with sinister/tense BGM, but doesn't know which one is the danger. And then he found out is the freaking Goblin. Work of art. Also the best Spider Sense in a live action Spider-Man. OP asf.
That shot where he's standing in front of all the villains reveals the absurdity of the situation: Peter brought 5 supervillains with crazy powers into an apartment with Aunt May. And they are surrounding him and his spider sense went off. I liked the scene, me saying it's absurd doesn't mean i think it's bad, but Peter was screwed in that scene and the camera work showed it
But Norman consistently seeks out others and ropes more strangers into his problems - which ultimately hurts them - while Peter refuses to reach out to even his closest of relationships and chooses to carry his burdens in independent silence.
“NORMAN’S ON SABBATICAL, HONEY” “STRONG ENOUGH TO HAVE IT ALL! TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT” I swear, those lines feel ripped right out of the early 2000s despite being from 2021. Absolutely incredible they were able to nail the tone of Raimi’s out-of-time villains.
@@NotDuncan we know that, but that doesn't mean they will try to capture the exact type of dialogue raimi Spiderman would've had. Look at the first two mcu Spiderman films, the writers and director had that same access to the source material and didn't use it.
I really like that throughout this whole trilogy, there's a natural progression in the villains Peter fights: In Homecoming Vulture is just a guy working to support his wife and daughter. He doesn't want to kill Peter and he even protects his secret identity in the end. In Far From Home, Mysterio is selfish and narcissistic. He wants people to idolize him and he is willing to kill Peter and his friends if they get in his way. In No Way Home, the Green Goblin is pure evil. Simply because it's fun for him. He kills Aunt May and he hurts people because he enjoys it.
It also should be noted all three villains represent different, warped aspects of Parker himself Vulture is an everyman like Peter is, but becomes a more disgruntled and frustrated man when things go awry for him Mysterio has the makings of a resourceful and intellectual individual, but lacks compassion and vulnerability Green Goblin is the pure antithesis to who Peter is. No humility, no responsibility, but with all the power Peter has to get what he wants
Eh, id say it goes further with goblin than "i like ta do bad things". For goblin, breaking spidey was to prove that even the best of us can have a darkness inside, and should use their power to do what they want. He wanted Peter to side with him an be like him. Like "a son". Which is kinda goblins goal in both sets(616 and 1610) of comics.👍🏾
@@chriss.249 Agreed. Both Norman and Green Goblin saw potential in Peter. The Goblin sees morality as a weakness and he wants Peter to move past that so he can reach his full potential. Probably why he says "Attaboy" when Peter was about to try and kill him lol.
It was really interesting to see Tom’s Pete develop a fear, and an eventual hatred for Green Goblin. If you were to simply watch the fight between the two of them, based on Peter’s reaction alone, you could tell he’s never fought anyone like this. Someone who so desperately wants to drive him over the edge. I really think I needed to see that in this movie, because every good hero, has a villain who is good at doing that.
Thats why he needs his own Norman Just having the Goblin scare him for life and vanish from his life isn't enough, he needs to come back and open that scar The Hero needs to have his Main Antagonist come back to haunt him a final time
Well he doesn't NEED the green goblin exactly, he needs another really good villain, but that seems unlikely since a lot of the best villains in the comics are very rough to adapt
Tom actually said there was about 30 or so versions of Dafoe's speech and he said every one of them was scary as hell and left everyone in the room creeped out cause Dafoe was so in character. I wish we got some extra ones of those on the 4K blu ray
Thoughts people had having during this scene: "Max is gonna flip" "Norman is gonna glip" "Conners is gonna flip" "Flint is gonna flip" "Venom is gonna show up" "Otto's chip is gonna malfunction" "Damage control is gonna storm the apartment and ruin everything" "Strange is gonna turn up and ruin everything" "Mysterio?"
I didn't even suspect Goblin until the reveal, i though Max is gonna break out. When I saw Norman was with May at FEAST, alarms were going in my head, "he's the Green Goblin, RUN MAY" but then throughout the film upto the apartment scene, Willem and the writers sold me on Norman being a harmless innocent man.
@@DA11AZ in infinity war during the battle on titan spiderman kicks and punches thanos multiple times and thanos actually looks like he’s taking damage but in this scene goblin doesn’t move when Peter is punching the crap out of him? It honestly makes no sense to me, maybe I’m just trippin
This fight was freaking amazing, Goblin is the best Spider-man villain, but I also love their second fight, when BLOODLUSTED Spider-Man beat the shit out of him. And yeah, Goblin lost that fight, but he almost made Peter a murderer. Exactly what he wanted. Great dynamic.
Goblin may have lost against Tom at the second fight. But he almost almost won. I'd say this movie is the closest thing the MCU would have to the Injustice Movie, or to a Batman/Joker dynamic
agreed! right from that wide shot dollying in and the faint music, that was the perfect way to begin the fight. you can hear every punch…brutal and exactly what was needed for Peter fighting his arch enemy
This movie had the best representation of Peter’s spidey-sense since The Amazing Spider-Man 2. FFH had some decent moments, but this movie knocked it out of the park with the sound design and the disorienting camera movement. It creates a sense of anxiety and really puts the viewer in Peter’s headspace.
Actually, by the way Peter says “I know”, I’m still assuming Ben may have existed in this universe as well. Peter may have heard those words already and May’s just reminding him of them. Otherwise, why would he have been a hero up until now? We know from his introduction in Civil War that there’s way more to it than just idolizing the Avengers.
That's been a debate since the film came out, does Peter say "I know" because he generally knows that he should his powers for good or did he hear the great power comes responsibility line ? Unless shown otherwise in the Freshman Year series, I think it's more the former judging by how he acts the first two films, I'm aware of what he said in Civil War, but I always thought there was a disconnect between how Markus/McFeely wrote Peter and how Sommers/McKenna depicted him in the Home trilogy.
@@themadtitan7603 True. His introduction scene clearly hints at Ben in everything but name, while Homecoming seems to take some steps back in that sense… except for Peter speaking to Ned about “what happened” to May. In any case, it’s kind of a mess.
@@ericstorm6582 Not that obvious, since there are at least two crystal clear references - the ones I’ve mentioned from Civil War and Homecoming - at the Uncle Ben “accident”.
Update: Norman’s serum simply wasn’t finished, that’s why it didn’t work. Personally I prefer the reasonings I gave in the video, one would mean he was always manipulating the serum in secret, the other would give Tobey Peter more meaning as he would help develop an actual working Goblin serum along with Tom Peter. But oh well.
This is a month late, but I like your version better than it merely being unfinished, too. It was very similar to what my initial thought was in the theatre: that Goblin wanted to reverse the serum's effects and get rid of Norman.
Inaction is what got Uncle Ben killed with the previous 2 Spider-Men. Action is what gets Aunt May killed in NWH. I think that reversal is a brilliant parallel. With the previous 2, it was the loss of Uncle Ben that made Peter want to take action. But in NWH, it is the loss of Aunt May that makes him want to give up.
No Way Home really defined May as a character compared to the previous Home films. Her development in this movie putting Peter on the right path was great, and made her death all the more impactful. The Apartment fight scene still gives me chills with how it’s executed, and I wish the same quality could’ve been applied to the Spider-men scenes. Though I understand the reason for that was to keep it secret, but I won’t deny the choppiness of takes in between each Spider-Man line.
I really wish they kept some of the scenes Merissa Tomei said convinced her to join and she was excited to do. Homecoming was supposed to have a scene of May preventing a bullying happening and Peter watching it from a distance. But she never talks or discusses it with Peter. It shows two people inspiring each other without being aware that they're inspiring the other. FFH was supposed to have *the conversation* from J. Michael Schrazenki(I probably butchered that name). That's the only problem I have with the first 2 MCU Spidey movies(I also don't like EDITH but that was a plot device so whatever)
While it was heartbreaking, it was refreshing seeing Peter lose someone else that he loved other than Ben Parker and that's one of the things that was handled really well in The Amazing Spiderman 2 was how they handled Gwen's death!
I remember my jaw literally dropping in theatre during this scene just because I didn't expect to see MCU Spider-Man finally face something so brutal. The MCU Spider-Man trilogy had been fairly light hearted with just a few serious scenes, but this scene marked a pretty major tone shift that continued for the rest of this movie and I think it's apart of the reason why I love No Way Home so much.
What I love most about this sequence is how it tackles the criticisms of MCU spidey and brilliantly utilizes them. People complain about Tom's spidey having it too easy, or being too childish, or never really hitting rock bottom. People would say "Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man went through so much more, his villains were actually menacing and scary compared to Tom's." Although I don't completely agree with the criticism, I can see how someone would. Watts brilliantly made the decision of using THE Spider-Man villain to pull peter down from this MCU high-horse and absolutely demolish him in a cold, brutal, and demolishing defeat. Tom's spidey has fought a man who actively tried not to kill him because he had a moral standard and a man who didn't want to kill him but didn't hesitate to do so once he interfered with his plans. Dafoe's goblin has no moral standards, no missions, no plans, he just wants to be the antagonist, the essence of evil. So seeing Tom's spidey fighting someone like that after these last few movies you can see the pure panic in him once he realizes exactly what he is fighting, and that he hasn't even begun to see the worst of it.
The memory wipe and returning Spiderman to his roots are what seals the deal. MCU Peter was Iron boy jr in alot of minds until he made the CHOICE to have everyone forget him and go from cosmic hero with access to infinite resources and super- powered friends to friendly neighborhood Spiderman struggling to pay his rent. The movie's plot and some would say even the entire trilogy may have had a rocky, low stakes start but that ending is chef's kiss and undeniably fulfilling. "The screen writers literally told all the cynics to get bent and it's terrific.
It doesn't tackle the criticisms, it corrects mcu spidey flaws and leaves him in a state more reminiscent of the comic books putting us in a place that he's needed to be ever since homecoming. We have finally gotten the Spider-Man message into an mcu film, we haven't seen anything this good since Spider-Man 2.
So glad they let Defoe act without his mask, he is genuinely the MCU Heath Ledger, suchhhh a good actor. The apartment scene was one of my favorite MCU fights in general, it was grounded and brutal unlike much of the CGI, high flying action in other MCU movies. May's death and how she didn't register that she was dying was brilliant too, with her repeating "just bumped my head"🥲 Absolutely amazing
It was great to see a very stylistically Jon Watts scene again in the MCU since the last time we really had one was the entire car scene in Homecoming, especially when he possess a skill in tension and suspense that's displayed in Cop Car but was largely underutilized in this trilogy.
I don’t care how many times i have to say it but i absolutely love Spider-Man No Way Home personally this is my favorite Spider-Man movie and i do think its the best Spider-Man movie. Yes you could say that its due to the fact that Tobey and Andrew are in the movie and part of it is but it’s mostly due to how Toms Peter Parker/Spider-Man is written in the movie the way he wants to help the villains and that he makes the choice for him to live a sad lonely life for his best friend and girlfriend to have a safe and normal life and i also love they ending of this movie because it shows such a great message. The message to me is Peter Parker is forgotten but Spider-Man lives on and too me that scene is the best Spider-Man last swing scene due to the fact that it shows Peter is going to struggle throughout his life but is still able to bring hope.
For me Spider-Man 1-2 are the best spidey movies. But no way home is my favorite. Just like episode 5 in stars is the best Star Wars movie. I enjoy episode 3 the most
Goblin's speech before the apartment fight was god-tier. I just wished the editing team only focused on him instead of cutting back and forth to May getting the cures.
Peter has been learning that with great power comes great responsibility throughout his previous movies, and having him hear the line in this movie was the perfect way to bring everything full circle. i like to think that May heard the line from Ben, and after he died she was inspired to help people the way she did. the fan-service in this movie is wonderful, but it’s also so much more than that. this truly is a great Spider-Man movie, in my opinion
It's the first time we've heard them in a movie since Uncle Ben now that I think about it. There's no fluff, no weird modernization or attempt to make it different, it's just that one, ultra powerful statement, one that has had a great impact on my life, and what I believe. 'Nuff said.
@@purpleperfection6304 Hell, it’s more faithful and imo more impactful than when he said it in the Raimi movie. Including the middle part “there must also come” that’s usually left out adds so much weight to the statement. And I think as a whole it hits a lot harder said as May’s last words to Peter before she dies, hoping to steer him in the right direction, vs..just randomly said before getting out of a car with the amount of gravity as any other mundane life tip said by an elder.
I’m glad u went into detailed with this scene , gives me an idea of what to look for next time I rewatch it. Also I have a theory that Tom s Spider-Man had an uncle Ben in his universe but he died before Tom could here the “great power and responsibility” quote from him.
@@Antwannnn I think he means restrictive in a way of fighting styles and such ya know? Like imo I wish Tobey’s Spider-Man had a more acrobatic fighting style instead of the brute type of style. Andrew’s was my favorite but Tom’s Spider-Man has both the acrobatic and brute type of fighting style that I like and wanna see with Spider-Man fighting on the big screen
My favorite Spider-Man fight is the apartment scene and the abandoned building from the first movie. I think all audiences want Peter to get the shit kicked out of him and overcome through will power. I love win a hero takes battle damage and it makes everything better.
In my theater when May said THE line my audience applauded. It was so unusual for a non exuberant scene that isnt fanservice or action oriented to get an applause but I knew why. They spent the entire movie up to that point earning that moment and making that mantra real for Peter. They tested him against it and it wss clear he'd be defined by that going forward. My audience was able to grasp that due to how well they did it in the film. Its a truly epic moment even if it doesn't have the traditional aspects of one we expect from these films. That moment is when this Peter truly became Spider-Man.
One thing I want to mention is the Goblin's final line in the movie: "I may be the one who struck the blow, but you... killed her." I've heard a lot of people say its cheesy and just useless taunting, but I think its one of the most important lines in the movie. This challenges everything Peter stood for to the extreme, which is helping others no matter the personal cost. I believe this line came to Peter's mind in the coffee shop when he noticed MJ's scar, realizing he should sacrifice everything and everyone he loved so that they may continue to live in peace and safety.
Peter had actually heard a similar version of the "with great power comes great responsibility"-line. If you remember his introduction scene in Civil War, he paraphrased it. "When you do the things that I can do and do nothing, and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you". Remember that at the time, the whole premise was "we've already seen Spider-Man's origin story so many times, we don't need to see it again". He had an Uncle Ben, he let him die because he didn't stop a criminal, all of that still happened, and it shouldn't be ignored. His responsibility just hadn't been challenged to _this_ extent. With his portrayal in the MCU so far, it feels like the lesson hadn't quite sunk in as much as it did with the other iterations.
I absolutely love how raw and brutal the fight between peter and norman. It feels so realistic and way more engaging as you feel like they are actually being hurt.
I think the reason why the apartment scene has more dynamic camera movement and shots compared to the rest of the film is because it was the last scene shot during principal photography and by then covid restrictions probably had loosened up.
his teeth are together when hes talking to Otto and since Defoe has a natural gap in his teeth, Raimi (I think) had the idea to make his front teeth gap as the goblin but go together as Norman.
I feel like there are scenes in Far From Home where Peter still has to sacrifice his happiness. He gets called to fight the elementals even if it means he won't get to sit next to MJ and enjoy the opera. Throughout the whole trip he has to constantly choose between being an ordinary kid who wants to see a girl he likes and go on vacation or being a hero who has to save the world multiple times.
Some people really need to understand that MCU Peter's actions were intended to start as low stakes but slowly become more life altering, status quo changing stakes as time went on. He was supposed to live like a kid at the beginning of his story but then has to live like an adult by the end of his trilogy. Not free of extreme consequences. That feels more real to me. What is being a kid if not living life inconsequentially yet having to learn consequence?
I have a feeling people who criticize Tom’s Spider Man haven’t really watched his stand alone movies more than once. There’s plenty of sacrifice in both Homecoming and Far from home.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 yeah, in my opinion , that reason as a whole, was why MCU Spiderman, in my opinion, had probably the most underrated character development in the intired MCU as a whole
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Ikr. There are scenes like that in Far From Home and Homecoming. Like the scene where Peter had to ditch Liz to fight Vulture, and left MJ at the opera to fight the elemental.
11:10 the serum didn’t work because it wasn’t finished. A little before this scene happened, there’s a scene where we see a shot of all the villains cures being made and there’s bars, and Norman’s bar wasn’t fully full. 11:48 I think Peter has heard it before, maybe. May said it and I guess it was a reminder for Peter because after she said “With great power, comes great responsibility”, Pete says very lightly “I know..”. It was also in the script. But, again another great video essay, Browntable. Looking forward to many more
@@legendofjess6044 could be. That’s why I said maybe he heard it before or maybe he didn’t who knows. You could be right. I guess we have to wait until freshman year comes out on Disney +
My favorite part of this sequence is seeing Spider-Man and Goblin in a straight up fist fight. Goblin has super strength too, but we've rarely seen it on display, as he tends to use his glider and its associated gadgets in combat. But here, there's no space for the glider, just narrow hallways and balconies, forcing both characters to rely on their innate abilities
The entire apartment sequence was just perfection, man. I LOVE that his Spidey Sense had never gone off this severely before. That says a lot about the kind of creature Goblin was....
that is so true. no music just throws you off and feels creepy in a sense. look at the Dark knight trilogy. the scenes where they don't use music throws you off like when batman fights bane and loses there's no music until the end. the spider sense part is my favorite scene in any spider man scenes
Intense fight scene in Spider-Man movie history, but has the benefits of both Tom Holland and willem dafoe actually did the fighting and stunts, and it’s actually a introduction to Tom’s Spider-Man’s hand to hand combat.
"With great power, must also come great responsibility" While Peter may not have heard those exact words, this is something he had ALREADY learned at some point. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." ---Peter Parker, Captain America: Civil War But after the events of Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame & Spiderman: Far From Home knocked him off keel he needed to be reminded of that lesson. And that is what Aunt May did for him, brought him back his center.
I don't see people talk enough about how Goblin fought in this scene. You mentioned the way that its very grounded and real. The way Goblin fights is using his super strength and just tackling and shoving Peter around. It really creates the feel that he isn't trained. He's not jumping around, he's not blocking punches. He fights exactly like you would expect of a person that just woke up with inhuman strength.
Something I didn't fully understand is that when Spider-Man and Green Goblin are fighting as they fall through the building, we never see anybody else besides the important people (May, Peter, Goblin, etc). They even fight in another apartment on another floor and it only had the furniture. Not even in the lobby do we see people running away from the battle. I don't remember anybody mentioning that the building was evacuated on a previous scene, but it was weird when it started
I was gonna mention that but I wanted to mostly just talk positives. I absolutely agree, the scene may have become genuinely the best fight scene in a live action Spider-Man movie if there was the added danger of harming civilians. People running around, Osborn threatening their lives similar to the train fight in Spider-Man 2 would’ve been fantastic. Might make a video on this actually.
So nice to find a legitimate analytical film fan who is actually willing to talk about MCU films positively, and who's not afraid to acknowledge the awesome action stuff even if it's silly or heavily cg.
I love Spider-Man no way home thank you for this I've seen alot of people saying Spider-Man no way home is overrated and don't give the movie the credit it's due I personally believe it's a miracle a movie like this exists because the rights to Spider-Man and all the spider-man characters are so hottly contested between Sony, Marvel and Disney and also Hollywood doesn't have the best track record with making satisfying sequels just look at the recent projects in franchises like Star Wars, Star trek, fantastic beasts, game of thrones etc
While I think it was a great scene, Jon Watts could’ve edited some aspects better. When Goblin is revealed to have taken over Norman’s body, too many camera shots switch back to Aunt May which take away from Willem Dafoe’s captivating acting. I think the discussion between him and Peter in the apartment could’ve been much more iconic if the focus had mainly been on them. Subtle but big difference.
En mi opinión eso le hubiera quitado tensión a la escena y hubiera quedado como un monólogo solo, los cortes que hay son para ver la reacciones y acciones de los personajes en la sala y ver como motivan las palabras del Duende verde en cada uno
I think this scene and the movie in general kind of confirms that an 'Uncle Ben Incident' definitely happened, but Ben never told Peter that classic quote. I think he understood that he was meant to help people with his powers, but it's not until Aunt May speaks those words into existence that both Ben's and May's deaths begin to represent Peter's burden and responsibilities.
Para mí en la escena que confirmaron que el Tío Ben murió fue cuando hablan por primera vez los 3 SpiderMan, Tobey habla del Tío Ben y Tom nunca pregunta quien es Ben o si ellos tuvieron un Tío.
Definitely my favorite scene in the movie, literally hits all the right parts. It's epic, horrifying, action filled, sad, and gripping. Especially the part where beating is punching goblins face over and over again but he is just laughing, that, was terrifying in theaters and I loved it.
As someone who's been watching your content for years, I love the direction that this channel is going, it feel like a more fun and chill environment but at the same time it's still an educational channel for the most part. (don't get me wrong your old vids are still gold) not only that but I am in love with the pilot for interstellar ranger commence I am hype for this show beyond belief.
This scene is arguably the best scene produced in a marvel film or show. Dafoe was incredible. His ability to shift into a darker version of the character so effortlessly is unbelievable. And the cackle when Peter is repeatedly punching him in the face will forever creep me out. This scene had great action, a extremely tense moments, and heart wrenching moments. It was an absolute masterclass and it is the type of cinema marvel should aspire to produce going forward.
I have no idea how they made the hammy, over-the-top performance of Willem Dafoe work in a modern marvel movie, but when he cackled like a lunatic as Spiderman was pummeling his face, literal shivers down my spine. Because don’t get me wrong, in Spiderman 1 I just think it’s funny, it’s not scary and I will never find it scary and I know for a fact that’s not how Raimi was actually trying to play that off. But they changed him almost NOTHING, and by reframing it, he becomes TERRIFYING.
I like the shot to shot technique for the Peters interaction cause I felt like it was a good way to showcase that while they’re all Peter, they’re also 3 individuals with similar but different personalities. It makes it feel more like you’re listening in on a conversation among family or close friends, with your head shifting to each speaker
I like how in all the Spider-Man iterations movies it’s always green goblin that breaks our heroes. In tobey trilogy green goblin he makes Peter have a guilty conscience for letting him die and having to keep this from harry In Tom trilogy he loses his aunt and takes it as a complete failure of a hero, he fears green goblin at first but then turns to utter blood lust And lastly Garfield’s which I feel was the most impactful. he lost a friendand girlfriend which obviously haunted him for the rest of his life. Before No Way Home, amazing Spider-Man gave me the impression that he lost the most in comparison of the rest, although I can see the point tobey lost hary and Tom lost stark
I was actually scared of the goblin during this scene it felt similar to heath ledgers joker peters hitting him and he’s feeling no pain he’s just laughing more and it was downright scary
The apartment fight and the following scene on the roof were some of the only scenes in a movie ever that made me cry, this was the best Spider-Man movie by far honestly.
I love that you brought up Giacchino’s new leitmotif. That was really the missing puzzle piece to the MCU Spider-Man theme. I REEEAALLYY hops they keep that theme for Tom’s next trilogy.
Im glad you pointed oht the comparison to the rest of the movie. When i saw this scene in theaters it felt like i was suddenly watching a different movie with a different director. Crazy
It's sooooo refreshing watching someone review one of my personal favorite scenes, when I watched this in theater I was flabbergasted on how well this scene was shot I loved every second of it.
I do love the apartment scene, from Willem Defoe change to goblin to the cinematography between Peter spider sens going off and you a camera on him seeing his reactions. Goblins monolog and the losing of Aunt May and her delivery of the Iconic line. My biggest problem was I didn't care about Aunt May's death.
I absolutely loved how you broke this down! I knew there was a reason why I really liked this movie & not just because it was a big superhero blockbuster I knew Jon Watts knows what's he doing
Holy Cow you know that Doctor Octopus line from Spider-Man 2 is basically the whole theme or point of this film "Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady and give up the things we want the most. Even our dreams". Quite mad how they worked that in without mentioning it as Peter does the right thing, he gives up his dream to be happy with MJ and Ned.
This entire movie was one of the best MCU films. Not because of the old characters returning, although that did get the movie the attention it deserves. But because the film had focus. The reason past Spiderman films before it with multiple villains didn't work is because there were multiple storylines. Each time one of the villains was on screen, their story continued. And when another villain was on screen it would cut to their story instead. This movie works despite having so many characters because there is only one plot focused on sending the villains home cured to attempt to prevent their potential demise. It doesn't have a convoluted mess, instead it focuses on one solid plot and therefore it is the first Spiderman film to have so many characters and still work.
Great video as always but the reason the serum doesn’t work is because Peter didn’t finish it. In a previous scene, the status of the cures is shown above the devices. The serum wasn’t at 100 percent like the cure for Electro
Fun fact, the real reason the serum doesn't cure the goblin, is because it needed time to finish. You see in the movie that it takes time to synthesize. It's quick but you can see that by the time Aunt May grabs it, the serum isn't done yet.
Truly, Jon Watts went all out for this scene. It's so brilliant and well shot. The musical cues and as well as thr absence of music makes the scene feel tense.
Great video, 👍🏾 and I really love this movie. Everyone was great in it, and Willem Dafoe murdered the reprising roll of the Goblin! He did a magnificent job!
Green Goblin is scary because he is not wrong. Peter is only trying to help these villains because May tells him to, and Goblin is the only person who sees that.
When I watched this scene in the theater with my friend, the moment *Green Goblin* answers to Octavius... I knew. I knew something was going to happen, I was hoping it was just me being paranoid. Then the wide shot. "Something's off..." The beeping. The silence. Then sudden burst of action. "Something's *still* off..." I said as we saw Peter pummel and be pummeled. Then the glider. "Oh... Oh no. The line... It's happening......" The scene made me feel SO many things in such a small period of time. It was amazing, it was brutal. It made the movie *work* right there and then. Willem Dafoe is just--- an incredible actor and he ate up that role amazingly. Props to him. To everyone, really, but he -- he made the scene work.
This video just makes me love jon watts directing even more i loved the MCU Spiderman series and is probably my favorite Spiderman out of the three of them thank you for this video this really just proves that Jon isn’t just a average director and actually has some talent and his own style
I think it can just as easily mean he understands what she said, not that he’s specifically heard it already. But I guess we’ll find out with the Freshman Year series
i was crying during this whole scene. the green goblin was genuinely scary. the whole fight was amazing too, u could feel the intensity of the hits. and mays death was brutal fr, and the fact peter had to flee immediately after he saw her die was horrible. lol even think about it makes me tear up
For me it would be Willem Dafoe’s performance. Having seen the Raimi trilogy around its release, we have a general idea of how terrifying the Goblin could be. But here, it feels just as terrifying as if experiencing the first few films for the first time. Not only does he have the strength to take the hits from Spider-Man but to laugh maniacally as he does so right before sending his ass a couple of floors down with a flashy WWE slam.
The reason why the serum didn’t work because it was incomplete. When you look at the scene where Otto tells Norman no more darker half, at the beginning shows a meter and on the left says Max Dillon complete while Norman’s meter wasn’t finished yet
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The goblins syrum wasn't completed yet
You talk about the sound alot in the video but you don't let us listen to it and I'm left wanting to hear for myself what you're talking about.
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Willem Dafoe just put forth an acting masterclass in that scene. If "Norman's on sabatical honey" wasn't already scary enough, him just smiling harder when Peter was throwing haymakers at him made me scared of him
"Norman's on sabbatical, honey" wasn't scary, that was the funniest thing I had ever seen in a movie lmao
@@mosorireayewale2820 I mean the dialogue itself kinda is lol but the expression he makes is eerie
haymaker lol I like that 🤪 imma steal it. 😉
lol and when he was having a dialogue, the camera was cutting to pointless views and we couldnt see his FACE ;-;
Oh yeah.
The poor May was the real Goblin's target here. Goblin blamed her for Peter's "weakness" and "morality". He thinks that she ruined him.
Why do you think peter let aunt may stay in the apartment
@@Efc124 I personally think she insisted. He said Ned and MJ to go away so he'd probably tell May that too but she refused. That's my headcanon at least
I mean the Mcu did not her😭
@@therichlink4568 what
i think another reason he targets may is because of how in the original raimi movie, he has just realized that peter is spider-man and is about to head off to aunt may's house to blow it up lol
I just love how Peter goes through so much in this scene, getting his ass beat, losing may, getting shot and having to leave her, and then just listen as Jameson continues to talk shit about him in the rain. It's just SO GOOD.
My favorite part about the Jameson scene is I took that as being a way of showing what Peter is thinking. After how horribly wrong everything just went, I can imagine he’s thinking of himself as just as much of a failure that Jameson is yelling he is.
@@legendofjess6044 Exactly!
Tom's SPIDER SENSE scene with Norman is the best scene of the movie, yeah.
Where Peter's sense is on high alert, but he doesn't know what danger is going to came, he just walk around uncomfortably around 5 supervillains with sinister/tense BGM, but doesn't know which one is the danger. And then he found out is the freaking Goblin.
Work of art. Also the best Spider Sense in a live action Spider-Man. OP asf.
I wish it didn't cut away from the performance to may grabbing stuff.
That scene was underrated AF, it makes me sad that people only talking about Tobey and Andrew entrance as the best scenes
That shot where he's standing in front of all the villains reveals the absurdity of the situation: Peter brought 5 supervillains with crazy powers into an apartment with Aunt May. And they are surrounding him and his spider sense went off.
I liked the scene, me saying it's absurd doesn't mean i think it's bad, but Peter was screwed in that scene and the camera work showed it
@@rudrasingh6354 That was the point Peter knew he messed up hard
Woah now. The other two have never been shot.
What’s incredible about the ending is how in the end Peter becomes like Norman in the shelter.Where Peter lives in a world where he doesn’t exist.
Oh crap, I didn't think about that. Scary world for Peter.
…..woah
😭
But Norman consistently seeks out others and ropes more strangers into his problems - which ultimately hurts them - while Peter refuses to reach out to even his closest of relationships and chooses to carry his burdens in independent silence.
damn it thinking about this always breaks my heart
“NORMAN’S ON SABBATICAL, HONEY”
“STRONG ENOUGH TO HAVE IT ALL! TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT”
I swear, those lines feel ripped right out of the early 2000s despite being from 2021. Absolutely incredible they were able to nail the tone of Raimi’s out-of-time villains.
It’s almost like the source material is available to view and scripts easy to find, they’re not long lost films
@@NotDuncan we know that, but that doesn't mean they will try to capture the exact type of dialogue raimi Spiderman would've had.
Look at the first two mcu Spiderman films, the writers and director had that same access to the source material and didn't use it.
@@NotDuncan ever seen a new star wars movie?
I really like that throughout this whole trilogy, there's a natural progression in the villains Peter fights:
In Homecoming Vulture is just a guy working to support his wife and daughter. He doesn't want to kill Peter and he even protects his secret identity in the end.
In Far From Home, Mysterio is selfish and narcissistic. He wants people to idolize him and he is willing to kill Peter and his friends if they get in his way.
In No Way Home, the Green Goblin is pure evil. Simply because it's fun for him. He kills Aunt May and he hurts people because he enjoys it.
It also should be noted all three villains represent different, warped aspects of Parker himself
Vulture is an everyman like Peter is, but becomes a more disgruntled and frustrated man when things go awry for him
Mysterio has the makings of a resourceful and intellectual individual, but lacks compassion and vulnerability
Green Goblin is the pure antithesis to who Peter is. No humility, no responsibility, but with all the power Peter has to get what he wants
Eh, id say it goes further with goblin than "i like ta do bad things".
For goblin, breaking spidey was to prove that even the best of us can have a darkness inside, and should use their power to do what they want. He wanted Peter to side with him an be like him. Like "a son". Which is kinda goblins goal in both sets(616 and 1610) of comics.👍🏾
@@chriss.249 Agreed. Both Norman and Green Goblin saw potential in Peter. The Goblin sees morality as a weakness and he wants Peter to move past that so he can reach his full potential. Probably why he says "Attaboy" when Peter was about to try and kill him lol.
@@johnkobebalod9211
Now Ill use a word from u.
AGREED😁👍🏾
@@icedcapplord710 nice analysis
It was really interesting to see Tom’s Pete develop a fear, and an eventual hatred for Green Goblin. If you were to simply watch the fight between the two of them, based on Peter’s reaction alone, you could tell he’s never fought anyone like this. Someone who so desperately wants to drive him over the edge. I really think I needed to see that in this movie, because every good hero, has a villain who is good at doing that.
Thats why he needs his own Norman
Just having the Goblin scare him for life and vanish from his life isn't enough, he needs to come back and open that scar
The Hero needs to have his Main Antagonist come back to haunt him a final time
@@passarovoador6662 Yeah but I honestly can’t imagine anyone else playing the goblin though. Willem Dafoe is just too good.
@@jacobharris5894 Honestly, I feel that if they tried recasting the Green Goblin with anyone else it would just feel like a downgrade from Dafoe
@@riymeep6708 Yeah it’s like J.K. Simmons as J Jonah Jameson versus literally anyone else that has played the role.
Well he doesn't NEED the green goblin exactly, he needs another really good villain, but that seems unlikely since a lot of the best villains in the comics are very rough to adapt
Tom actually said there was about 30 or so versions of Dafoe's speech and he said every one of them was scary as hell and left everyone in the room creeped out cause Dafoe was so in character. I wish we got some extra ones of those on the 4K blu ray
Thoughts people had having during this scene:
"Max is gonna flip"
"Norman is gonna glip"
"Conners is gonna flip"
"Flint is gonna flip"
"Venom is gonna show up"
"Otto's chip is gonna malfunction"
"Damage control is gonna storm the apartment and ruin everything"
"Strange is gonna turn up and ruin everything"
"Mysterio?"
I thought it would be venom tbh
I didn't even suspect Goblin until the reveal, i though Max is gonna break out. When I saw Norman was with May at FEAST, alarms were going in my head, "he's the Green Goblin, RUN MAY" but then throughout the film upto the apartment scene, Willem and the writers sold me on Norman being a harmless innocent man.
I thought lizard was gonna attack jameson
That was the most suspenseful scene I've seen in a movie theater, almost all the seats were completely full and everyone was just silent
@@Venom-rr1vg And you know that everyone is having these thoughts.
Green Goblin laughing maniacally while Spidey punches him shows me why Dafoe would be great as The Joker
That scene makes no sense
@@danielledesma9938 how?
@@DA11AZ in infinity war during the battle on titan spiderman kicks and punches thanos multiple times and thanos actually looks like he’s taking damage but in this scene goblin doesn’t move when Peter is punching the crap out of him? It honestly makes no sense to me, maybe I’m just trippin
Watch him never play the one role he was born for!
I just love Willem Dafoe as Green goblin in the Spider-Man movies I'm tired of so many different versions of joker
This fight was freaking amazing, Goblin is the best Spider-man villain, but I also love their second fight, when BLOODLUSTED Spider-Man beat the shit out of him. And yeah, Goblin lost that fight, but he almost made Peter a murderer. Exactly what he wanted. Great dynamic.
Goblin may have lost against Tom at the second fight.
But he almost almost won.
I'd say this movie is the closest thing the MCU would have to the Injustice Movie, or to a Batman/Joker dynamic
@@TheBloperM How did he almost win? Their final fight was almost completely one-sided.
@@alienator4684 He almost won the psychological battle by nearly making Spidey a murderer.
@@alienator4684 he lost physically, but he almost won on the mental fight
agreed! right from that wide shot dollying in and the faint music, that was the perfect way to begin the fight. you can hear every punch…brutal and exactly what was needed for Peter fighting his arch enemy
This movie had the best representation of Peter’s spidey-sense since The Amazing Spider-Man 2. FFH had some decent moments, but this movie knocked it out of the park with the sound design and the disorienting camera movement. It creates a sense of anxiety and really puts the viewer in Peter’s headspace.
The scene with it in Infinity War was also pretty decent
Actually, by the way Peter says “I know”, I’m still assuming Ben may have existed in this universe as well. Peter may have heard those words already and May’s just reminding him of them. Otherwise, why would he have been a hero up until now? We know from his introduction in Civil War that there’s way more to it than just idolizing the Avengers.
That's been a debate since the film came out, does Peter say "I know" because he generally knows that he should his powers for good or did he hear the great power comes responsibility line ? Unless shown otherwise in the Freshman Year series, I think it's more the former judging by how he acts the first two films, I'm aware of what he said in Civil War, but I always thought there was a disconnect between how Markus/McFeely wrote Peter and how Sommers/McKenna depicted him in the Home trilogy.
@@themadtitan7603 True. His introduction scene clearly hints at Ben in everything but name, while Homecoming seems to take some steps back in that sense… except for Peter speaking to Ned about “what happened” to May.
In any case, it’s kind of a mess.
Obviously he was a hero because he had the powers and he looked up to other heroes, in the comics, he's like one of the first superheroes in the world
@@ericstorm6582 Not that obvious, since there are at least two crystal clear references - the ones I’ve mentioned from Civil War and Homecoming - at the Uncle Ben “accident”.
@Erik Kemeey Yes, right, that too.
Update: Norman’s serum simply wasn’t finished, that’s why it didn’t work. Personally I prefer the reasonings I gave in the video, one would mean he was always manipulating the serum in secret, the other would give Tobey Peter more meaning as he would help develop an actual working Goblin serum along with Tom Peter. But oh well.
This is a month late, but I like your version better than it merely being unfinished, too. It was very similar to what my initial thought was in the theatre: that Goblin wanted to reverse the serum's effects and get rid of Norman.
I'm gonna ignore that and go with your version instead.
Inaction is what got Uncle Ben killed with the previous 2 Spider-Men. Action is what gets Aunt May killed in NWH. I think that reversal is a brilliant parallel. With the previous 2, it was the loss of Uncle Ben that made Peter want to take action. But in NWH, it is the loss of Aunt May that makes him want to give up.
And amazingly the message is still the same. We finally have Spider-Man in the mcu, here's hoping they make more movies
No Way Home really defined May as a character compared to the previous Home films. Her development in this movie putting Peter on the right path was great, and made her death all the more impactful.
The Apartment fight scene still gives me chills with how it’s executed, and I wish the same quality could’ve been applied to the Spider-men scenes. Though I understand the reason for that was to keep it secret, but I won’t deny the choppiness of takes in between each Spider-Man line.
I really wish they kept some of the scenes Merissa Tomei said convinced her to join and she was excited to do. Homecoming was supposed to have a scene of May preventing a bullying happening and Peter watching it from a distance. But she never talks or discusses it with Peter. It shows two people inspiring each other without being aware that they're inspiring the other.
FFH was supposed to have *the conversation* from J. Michael Schrazenki(I probably butchered that name). That's the only problem I have with the first 2 MCU Spidey movies(I also don't like EDITH but that was a plot device so whatever)
While it was heartbreaking, it was refreshing seeing Peter lose someone else that he loved other than Ben Parker and that's one of the things that was handled really well in The Amazing Spiderman 2 was how they handled Gwen's death!
I remember my jaw literally dropping in theatre during this scene just because I didn't expect to see MCU Spider-Man finally face something so brutal.
The MCU Spider-Man trilogy had been fairly light hearted with just a few serious scenes, but this scene marked a pretty major tone shift that continued for the rest of this movie and I think it's apart of the reason why I love No Way Home so much.
What I love most about this sequence is how it tackles the criticisms of MCU spidey and brilliantly utilizes them. People complain about Tom's spidey having it too easy, or being too childish, or never really hitting rock bottom. People would say "Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man went through so much more, his villains were actually menacing and scary compared to Tom's." Although I don't completely agree with the criticism, I can see how someone would. Watts brilliantly made the decision of using THE Spider-Man villain to pull peter down from this MCU high-horse and absolutely demolish him in a cold, brutal, and demolishing defeat. Tom's spidey has fought a man who actively tried not to kill him because he had a moral standard and a man who didn't want to kill him but didn't hesitate to do so once he interfered with his plans. Dafoe's goblin has no moral standards, no missions, no plans, he just wants to be the antagonist, the essence of evil. So seeing Tom's spidey fighting someone like that after these last few movies you can see the pure panic in him once he realizes exactly what he is fighting, and that he hasn't even begun to see the worst of it.
The memory wipe and returning Spiderman to his roots are what seals the deal. MCU Peter was Iron boy jr in alot of minds until he made the CHOICE to have everyone forget him and go from cosmic hero with access to infinite resources and super- powered friends to friendly neighborhood Spiderman struggling to pay his rent. The movie's plot and some would say even the entire trilogy may have had a rocky, low stakes start but that ending is chef's kiss and undeniably fulfilling. "The screen writers literally told all the cynics to get bent and it's terrific.
It doesn't tackle the criticisms, it corrects mcu spidey flaws and leaves him in a state more reminiscent of the comic books putting us in a place that he's needed to be ever since homecoming. We have finally gotten the Spider-Man message into an mcu film, we haven't seen anything this good since Spider-Man 2.
I still can’t believe (in my opinion) that they made green goblin even better than in the original film. He’s genuinely scary here
So glad they let Defoe act without his mask, he is genuinely the MCU Heath Ledger, suchhhh a good actor. The apartment scene was one of my favorite MCU fights in general, it was grounded and brutal unlike much of the CGI, high flying action in other MCU movies. May's death and how she didn't register that she was dying was brilliant too, with her repeating "just bumped my head"🥲 Absolutely amazing
He's not even an mcu character, he's a poached raimi verse character, hence he's actually good
The way Green Goblin laughed even when Peter was punching the shit outta him just sent chills man
It was great to see a very stylistically Jon Watts scene again in the MCU since the last time we really had one was the entire car scene in Homecoming, especially when he possess a skill in tension and suspense that's displayed in Cop Car but was largely underutilized in this trilogy.
I fucking love that cab scene in Homecoming how there’s never a wide shot of the taxi it’s all medium shots god it’s so good
I don’t care how many times i have to say it but i absolutely love Spider-Man No Way Home personally this is my favorite Spider-Man movie and i do think its the best Spider-Man movie. Yes you could say that its due to the fact that Tobey and Andrew are in the movie and part of it is but it’s mostly due to how Toms Peter Parker/Spider-Man is written in the movie the way he wants to help the villains and that he makes the choice for him to live a sad lonely life for his best friend and girlfriend to have a safe and normal life and i also love they ending of this movie because it shows such a great message. The message to me is Peter Parker is forgotten but Spider-Man lives on and too me that scene is the best Spider-Man last swing scene due to the fact that it shows Peter is going to struggle throughout his life but is still able to bring hope.
For me Spider-Man 1-2 are the best spidey movies. But no way home is my favorite. Just like episode 5 in stars is the best Star Wars movie. I enjoy episode 3 the most
Spiderverse imo is one of the best as well
Goblin's speech before the apartment fight was god-tier. I just wished the editing team only focused on him instead of cutting back and forth to May getting the cures.
Peter has been learning that with great power comes great responsibility throughout his previous movies, and having him hear the line in this movie was the perfect way to bring everything full circle. i like to think that May heard the line from Ben, and after he died she was inspired to help people the way she did. the fan-service in this movie is wonderful, but it’s also so much more than that. this truly is a great Spider-Man movie, in my opinion
Aunt May finally, after three whole movies, saying those iconic words makes me cry every time. It's so powerful.
It's the first time we've heard them in a movie since Uncle Ben now that I think about it. There's no fluff, no weird modernization or attempt to make it different, it's just that one, ultra powerful statement, one that has had a great impact on my life, and what I believe. 'Nuff said.
@@purpleperfection6304 Hell, it’s more faithful and imo more impactful than when he said it in the Raimi movie. Including the middle part “there must also come” that’s usually left out adds so much weight to the statement. And I think as a whole it hits a lot harder said as May’s last words to Peter before she dies, hoping to steer him in the right direction, vs..just randomly said before getting out of a car with the amount of gravity as any other mundane life tip said by an elder.
I’m glad u went into detailed with this scene , gives me an idea of what to look for next time I rewatch it.
Also I have a theory that Tom s Spider-Man had an uncle Ben in his universe but he died before Tom could here the “great power and responsibility” quote from him.
I unironically loved the brutality and the Wrestlemania style fight scenes,
so much better than the restrictive fights from Spider-Man 1.
I prefer the direction for the fights in Spider-Man 1 but I like how they actually fought in NWH if that makes sense
How was Spider-Man 1 restrictive? Did you see the final fight scene?
@@Antwannnn I think he means restrictive in a way of fighting styles and such ya know? Like imo I wish Tobey’s Spider-Man had a more acrobatic fighting style instead of the brute type of style. Andrew’s was my favorite but Tom’s Spider-Man has both the acrobatic and brute type of fighting style that I like and wanna see with Spider-Man fighting on the big screen
@@elijahgreen2308 I don’t wanna see more cgi bullshit, I like practical fight choreography like in Spider-Man 1 or similar to BVS’ warehouse scene.
My favorite Spider-Man fight is the apartment scene and the abandoned building from the first movie. I think all audiences want Peter to get the shit kicked out of him and overcome through will power. I love win a hero takes battle damage and it makes everything better.
In my theater when May said THE line my audience applauded. It was so unusual for a non exuberant scene that isnt fanservice or action oriented to get an applause but I knew why. They spent the entire movie up to that point earning that moment and making that mantra real for Peter. They tested him against it and it wss clear he'd be defined by that going forward. My audience was able to grasp that due to how well they did it in the film. Its a truly epic moment even if it doesn't have the traditional aspects of one we expect from these films. That moment is when this Peter truly became Spider-Man.
Just rewatched ‘No Way Home’ last night. Excellent video.
The apartment scene really was where the movie took it to the next level.
One thing I want to mention is the Goblin's final line in the movie: "I may be the one who struck the blow, but you... killed her." I've heard a lot of people say its cheesy and just useless taunting, but I think its one of the most important lines in the movie. This challenges everything Peter stood for to the extreme, which is helping others no matter the personal cost. I believe this line came to Peter's mind in the coffee shop when he noticed MJ's scar, realizing he should sacrifice everything and everyone he loved so that they may continue to live in peace and safety.
Peter had actually heard a similar version of the "with great power comes great responsibility"-line. If you remember his introduction scene in Civil War, he paraphrased it. "When you do the things that I can do and do nothing, and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you". Remember that at the time, the whole premise was "we've already seen Spider-Man's origin story so many times, we don't need to see it again". He had an Uncle Ben, he let him die because he didn't stop a criminal, all of that still happened, and it shouldn't be ignored.
His responsibility just hadn't been challenged to _this_ extent. With his portrayal in the MCU so far, it feels like the lesson hadn't quite sunk in as much as it did with the other iterations.
I absolutely love how raw and brutal the fight between peter and norman. It feels so realistic and way more engaging as you feel like they are actually being hurt.
I think the reason why the apartment scene has more dynamic camera movement and shots compared to the rest of the film is because it was the last scene shot during principal photography and by then covid restrictions probably had loosened up.
his teeth are together when hes talking to Otto and since Defoe has a natural gap in his teeth, Raimi (I think) had the idea to make his front teeth gap as the goblin but go together as Norman.
I feel like there are scenes in Far From Home where Peter still has to sacrifice his happiness. He gets called to fight the elementals even if it means he won't get to sit next to MJ and enjoy the opera. Throughout the whole trip he has to constantly choose between being an ordinary kid who wants to see a girl he likes and go on vacation or being a hero who has to save the world multiple times.
Some people really need to understand that MCU Peter's actions were intended to start as low stakes but slowly become more life altering, status quo changing stakes as time went on.
He was supposed to live like a kid at the beginning of his story but then has to live like an adult by the end of his trilogy. Not free of extreme consequences.
That feels more real to me. What is being a kid if not living life inconsequentially yet having to learn consequence?
Not to mention him giving up the glasses is a decision driven by him overthinking what the right thing to do is.
I have a feeling people who criticize Tom’s Spider Man haven’t really watched his stand alone movies more than once. There’s plenty of sacrifice in both Homecoming and Far from home.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 yeah, in my opinion , that reason as a whole, was why MCU Spiderman, in my opinion, had probably the most underrated character development in the intired MCU as a whole
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Ikr. There are scenes like that in Far From Home and Homecoming. Like the scene where Peter had to ditch Liz to fight Vulture, and left MJ at the opera to fight the elemental.
11:10 the serum didn’t work because it wasn’t finished. A little before this scene happened, there’s a scene where we see a shot of all the villains cures being made and there’s bars, and Norman’s bar wasn’t fully full. 11:48 I think Peter has heard it before, maybe. May said it and I guess it was a reminder for Peter because after she said “With great power, comes great responsibility”, Pete says very lightly “I know..”. It was also in the script. But, again another great video essay, Browntable. Looking forward to many more
I was just about to say that!
I took him saying “I know” more as meaning he understands, that he’s fully getting what she said and gets the gravity of it.
@@legendofjess6044 could be. That’s why I said maybe he heard it before or maybe he didn’t who knows. You could be right. I guess we have to wait until freshman year comes out on Disney +
Yeah it said the serum was like 70% complete
Edit: It didn't actually say it was 70% complete but it did look like it was about that much
I don't see how Peter laughing at controlling Dock Ock's arms is out-of-placed humor. He's still a kid.
My favorite part of this sequence is seeing Spider-Man and Goblin in a straight up fist fight. Goblin has super strength too, but we've rarely seen it on display, as he tends to use his glider and its associated gadgets in combat.
But here, there's no space for the glider, just narrow hallways and balconies, forcing both characters to rely on their innate abilities
The entire apartment sequence was just perfection, man. I LOVE that his Spidey Sense had never gone off this severely before. That says a lot about the kind of creature Goblin was....
I hate it when people say this movie is just fan-service when in reality you actually have amazing scenes like this!
Right, people only seem to focus on the 3 Spider-Men being in the film
that is so true. no music just throws you off and feels creepy in a sense. look at the Dark knight trilogy. the scenes where they don't use music throws you off like when batman fights bane and loses there's no music until the end. the spider sense part is my favorite scene in any spider man scenes
Intense fight scene in Spider-Man movie history, but has the benefits of both Tom Holland and willem dafoe actually did the fighting and stunts, and it’s actually a introduction to Tom’s Spider-Man’s hand to hand combat.
"With great power, must also come great responsibility"
While Peter may not have heard those exact words, this is something he had ALREADY learned at some point.
"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." ---Peter Parker, Captain America: Civil War
But after the events of Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame & Spiderman: Far From Home knocked him off keel he needed to be reminded of that lesson. And that is what Aunt May did for him, brought him back his center.
I wish the whole movie was shot with as much style as the apartment sequence
I agree. The spinebuster when Peter gets tossed back into the hallway made me gasp from how brutal it looked. Tbh one of the best fights in the MCU
The dolly zoom shot was when the tone shifted, and from then on, I truly loved the movie.
I don't see people talk enough about how Goblin fought in this scene. You mentioned the way that its very grounded and real. The way Goblin fights is using his super strength and just tackling and shoving Peter around. It really creates the feel that he isn't trained. He's not jumping around, he's not blocking punches. He fights exactly like you would expect of a person that just woke up with inhuman strength.
Something I didn't fully understand is that when Spider-Man and Green Goblin are fighting as they fall through the building, we never see anybody else besides the important people (May, Peter, Goblin, etc). They even fight in another apartment on another floor and it only had the furniture. Not even in the lobby do we see people running away from the battle. I don't remember anybody mentioning that the building was evacuated on a previous scene, but it was weird when it started
I was gonna mention that but I wanted to mostly just talk positives.
I absolutely agree, the scene may have become genuinely the best fight scene in a live action Spider-Man movie if there was the added danger of harming civilians. People running around, Osborn threatening their lives similar to the train fight in Spider-Man 2 would’ve been fantastic. Might make a video on this actually.
It was probably because most of the residents were in their rooms majority of the fight cause it was night time
So nice to find a legitimate analytical film fan who is actually willing to talk about MCU films positively, and who's not afraid to acknowledge the awesome action stuff even if it's silly or heavily cg.
That spinebuster from Osborn on Peter was a sick move
I love Spider-Man no way home thank you for this I've seen alot of people saying Spider-Man no way home is overrated and don't give the movie the credit it's due I personally believe it's a miracle a movie like this exists because the rights to Spider-Man and all the spider-man characters are so hottly contested between Sony, Marvel and Disney and also Hollywood doesn't have the best track record with making satisfying sequels just look at the recent projects in franchises like Star Wars, Star trek, fantastic beasts, game of thrones etc
While I think it was a great scene, Jon Watts could’ve edited some aspects better. When Goblin is revealed to have taken over Norman’s body, too many camera shots switch back to Aunt May which take away from Willem Dafoe’s captivating acting.
I think the discussion between him and Peter in the apartment could’ve been much more iconic if the focus had mainly been on them. Subtle but big difference.
Yes we watched that video too
En mi opinión eso le hubiera quitado tensión a la escena y hubiera quedado como un monólogo solo, los cortes que hay son para ver la reacciones y acciones de los personajes en la sala y ver como motivan las palabras del Duende verde en cada uno
I think this scene and the movie in general kind of confirms that an 'Uncle Ben Incident' definitely happened, but Ben never told Peter that classic quote. I think he understood that he was meant to help people with his powers, but it's not until Aunt May speaks those words into existence that both Ben's and May's deaths begin to represent Peter's burden and responsibilities.
Para mí en la escena que confirmaron que el Tío Ben murió fue cuando hablan por primera vez los 3 SpiderMan, Tobey habla del Tío Ben y Tom nunca pregunta quien es Ben o si ellos tuvieron un Tío.
Definitely my favorite scene in the movie, literally hits all the right parts. It's epic, horrifying, action filled, sad, and gripping. Especially the part where beating is punching goblins face over and over again but he is just laughing, that, was terrifying in theaters and I loved it.
They all kill it in this movie... sandman and the lizzard where more background but still supported. Bro.... Andrew and Toby ... KILLED IT.
As someone who's been watching your content for years, I love the direction that this channel is going, it feel like a more fun and chill environment but at the same time it's still an educational channel for the most part. (don't get me wrong your old vids are still gold) not only that but I am in love with the pilot for interstellar ranger commence I am hype for this show beyond belief.
This scene is arguably the best scene produced in a marvel film or show. Dafoe was incredible. His ability to shift into a darker version of the character so effortlessly is unbelievable. And the cackle when Peter is repeatedly punching him in the face will forever creep me out. This scene had great action, a extremely tense moments, and heart wrenching moments. It was an absolute masterclass and it is the type of cinema marvel should aspire to produce going forward.
Have you seen _Daredevil_ the show?
I have no idea how they made the hammy, over-the-top performance of Willem Dafoe work in a modern marvel movie, but when he cackled like a lunatic as Spiderman was pummeling his face, literal shivers down my spine. Because don’t get me wrong, in Spiderman 1 I just think it’s funny, it’s not scary and I will never find it scary and I know for a fact that’s not how Raimi was actually trying to play that off. But they changed him almost NOTHING, and by reframing it, he becomes TERRIFYING.
I like the shot to shot technique for the Peters interaction cause I felt like it was a good way to showcase that while they’re all Peter, they’re also 3 individuals with similar but different personalities. It makes it feel more like you’re listening in on a conversation among family or close friends, with your head shifting to each speaker
The amount of blur focused they did to heighten this man sense so you could feel immersed was crazy.
The lighting in the second half was phenomenal compared to the first half. It was dynamic, not just well lit everywhere.
Thank you for mentioning Cop Car, supremely underrated, and I’m glad Marvel is NOW allowing directors some free reign
Green Goblin smiling and laughing while Peter endlessly punches him was the freakiest part to me
I like how in all the Spider-Man iterations movies it’s always green goblin that breaks our heroes.
In tobey trilogy green goblin he makes Peter have a guilty conscience for letting him die and having to keep this from harry
In Tom trilogy he loses his aunt and takes it as a complete failure of a hero, he fears green goblin at first but then turns to utter blood lust
And lastly Garfield’s which I feel was the most impactful. he lost a friendand girlfriend which obviously haunted him for the rest of his life. Before No Way Home, amazing Spider-Man gave me the impression that he lost the most in comparison of the rest, although I can see the point tobey lost hary and Tom lost stark
you love to see some Cop Car talk. Haven't seen Clown yet tho
I was actually scared of the goblin during this scene it felt similar to heath ledgers joker peters hitting him and he’s feeling no pain he’s just laughing more and it was downright scary
That spear/gore through the floors was one of my favorite things about this movie - it was such a pristine choice
The apartment fight and the following scene on the roof were some of the only scenes in a movie ever that made me cry, this was the best Spider-Man movie by far honestly.
I love that you brought up Giacchino’s new leitmotif. That was really the missing puzzle piece to the MCU Spider-Man theme. I REEEAALLYY hops they keep that theme for Tom’s next trilogy.
Im glad you pointed oht the comparison to the rest of the movie.
When i saw this scene in theaters it felt like i was suddenly watching a different movie with a different director. Crazy
It's sooooo refreshing watching someone review one of my personal favorite scenes, when I watched this in theater I was flabbergasted on how well this scene was shot I loved every second of it.
I do love the apartment scene, from Willem Defoe change to goblin to the cinematography between Peter spider sens going off and you a camera on him seeing his reactions. Goblins monolog and the losing of Aunt May and her delivery of the Iconic line. My biggest problem was I didn't care about Aunt May's death.
Honestly I hope Jon Watts returns for spider-man 4 as long as he continues the tone of this scene and visuals
I love the appreciation you showed to Jon Watts in this video, he often gets looked over as a big part of why this movie worked
Sam raimi fight scenes are always brutal. Especially when it comes to Peter getting the snot kicked out of him.
This wasn't a Sam Raimi fight though
@@rahulmenon9530 and it was still brutal
Man, we love seeing spiderman getting the short end of the stick.
I absolutely loved how you broke this down! I knew there was a reason why I really liked this movie & not just because it was a big superhero blockbuster
I knew Jon Watts knows what's he doing
Holy Cow you know that Doctor Octopus line from Spider-Man 2 is basically the whole theme or point of this film "Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady and give up the things we want the most. Even our dreams". Quite mad how they worked that in without mentioning it as Peter does the right thing, he gives up his dream to be happy with MJ and Ned.
peters reaction to when aunt may dies almost had me cryinging but when i saw happy's reaction is when it broke me
This entire movie was one of the best MCU films. Not because of the old characters returning, although that did get the movie the attention it deserves. But because the film had focus. The reason past Spiderman films before it with multiple villains didn't work is because there were multiple storylines. Each time one of the villains was on screen, their story continued. And when another villain was on screen it would cut to their story instead. This movie works despite having so many characters because there is only one plot focused on sending the villains home cured to attempt to prevent their potential demise. It doesn't have a convoluted mess, instead it focuses on one solid plot and therefore it is the first Spiderman film to have so many characters and still work.
Great video as always but the reason the serum doesn’t work is because Peter didn’t finish it. In a previous scene, the status of the cures is shown above the devices. The serum wasn’t at 100 percent like the cure for Electro
Fun fact, the real reason the serum doesn't cure the goblin, is because it needed time to finish. You see in the movie that it takes time to synthesize. It's quick but you can see that by the time Aunt May grabs it, the serum isn't done yet.
This scene was really one of THE best spider sense scene in any Spider-Man movie
Truly, Jon Watts went all out for this scene. It's so brilliant and well shot. The musical cues and as well as thr absence of music makes the scene feel tense.
Great video, 👍🏾 and I really love this movie. Everyone was great in it, and Willem Dafoe murdered the reprising roll of the Goblin! He did a magnificent job!
Green Goblin is scary because he is not wrong. Peter is only trying to help these villains because May tells him to, and Goblin is the only person who sees that.
When I watched this scene in the theater with my friend, the moment *Green Goblin* answers to Octavius... I knew. I knew something was going to happen, I was hoping it was just me being paranoid. Then the wide shot. "Something's off..."
The beeping.
The silence.
Then sudden burst of action.
"Something's *still* off..." I said as we saw Peter pummel and be pummeled.
Then the glider.
"Oh... Oh no. The line... It's happening......"
The scene made me feel SO many things in such a small period of time. It was amazing, it was brutal.
It made the movie *work* right there and then. Willem Dafoe is just--- an incredible actor and he ate up that role amazingly. Props to him. To everyone, really, but he -- he made the scene work.
This video just makes me love jon watts directing even more i loved the MCU Spiderman series and is probably my favorite Spiderman out of the three of them thank you for this video this really just proves that Jon isn’t just a average director and actually has some talent and his own style
same
i want to relive this scene, it was just so well done
Correction on 11:50, Peter has definitely heard those words before, hence why he says "I know, May." A subtle hint to Uncle Ben's existence in the MCU
I think it can just as easily mean he understands what she said, not that he’s specifically heard it already. But I guess we’ll find out with the Freshman Year series
i was crying during this whole scene.
the green goblin was genuinely scary.
the whole fight was amazing too, u could feel the intensity of the hits.
and mays death was brutal fr, and the fact peter had to flee immediately after he saw her die was horrible.
lol even think about it makes me tear up
also v boring saying may only said that to peter bc she heard it from ben, ben isnt in this universe..... yall annoying
When i first watched that scene my heart was pounding
For me it would be Willem Dafoe’s performance. Having seen the Raimi trilogy around its release, we have a general idea of how terrifying the Goblin could be. But here, it feels just as terrifying as if experiencing the first few films for the first time. Not only does he have the strength to take the hits from Spider-Man but to laugh maniacally as he does so right before sending his ass a couple of floors down with a flashy WWE slam.
I love when lizard comes out of nowhere and tells Peter he said there would be consequences for trying to help all the villains.
The reason why the serum didn’t work because it was incomplete. When you look at the scene where Otto tells Norman no more darker half, at the beginning shows a meter and on the left says Max Dillon complete while Norman’s meter wasn’t finished yet
When I saw the spider-sense scene I immediately started to feel my stomach drop cause I automatically knew shit was about to happen
The add placement was impeccable