Well apparently people only get a one month ban for getting caught RMT’ing for the third time so might at well start if they AGS doesn’t give a fuck about punishing it
They just dont want, its 3rd year of the game with same problem, just give it up. Chinese server do the right stuff right away, thats what to do if they actually care.
How ? Normal exchange is worth shit right now. The new year pack is 16k RC for 99.99 and gives around 240k gold ? You can buy 750k for 92 quid. That is how easy getting gold is for people with a full roster doing 6x weekly raids. Like top of the line HM raider make close to 150k per character. Honing is just to expensive. Other stuff like books/jewelleries/gems are way way way to scarce. A lot of people dont know what to do with their gold unless they strive for +25 and the other half is only getting scraps around 1600-1660. Collectibles of some areas cost in the 4 digits.
RMT isn't that big of a problem, bots are down on my server, and very few people RMT that I know of.. sure you might have some that do.. but it's not a huge issue.
If they want to ban RMT they first need to admit that we did not have the time to progress in game to earn gold and hone properly. Our release cadence was almost twice as fast as KR had that means we had nearly half the time to accumulate gold and mats but we were never compensated properly. For those with multiple characters on a roster what good does 10 boxes of leapstones do that gives 5 taps. They needed to either increase the the drop rate of gold and all materials by the appropriate amount or nerf costs of everything by the appropriate amount. This means everything that costs gold and materials. But that the time has passed they should just look at how much gold you earned during that time and just give us double it. Until they fix the game they need to understand for some people RMT is necessary to keep up. YES I RMT through the cash shop there is no diff. CASH SHOP G2G its all RMT.
@@kalnitez I don't think that fixes anything. RMT is RMT it is ruining our game. Takes 2 weeks of raids to buy 1 adrenaline relic book. you need 20 thats 40 weeks of raids to buy 20 adrenaline books. Thats 12 weeks off a year. Fix the game or remove RMT completely no more buying gold. This is from g2g and cash shop. Fix our economy.
Honestly been playing lost ark in NA since release off and on. I have never seen or heard about you but I like your content. Glad my yt finally showed me you lmao.
Before my guild dispursed we spent some time making a offer to run a anti-bot force it woulda been amazing for the whole community,,,,back when there was one they ignored us banned 2 of my guildy's outta the forums deleted our posts I even found out where the bots came from they ignored that too....we got our answer kick rocks DGAF
going after bots is a waste of time. you think its a small little business in a basement but its an industry with thousands of operators and a coordinated chain of command. you cant stop them by banning them they will just come back. the only way to stop them from over running a game is punishing the rmters. that will dry up demand so the servers aren't over run with bots. but you are right AGS DGAF. the CM shut down the official forums FFS. if they did care and respect the game and the players they would have punished rmters. AGS is the epitome of corpa they dont actually have passion for the game.
@@rjacks3284 You don't know what i think. having worked in the gaming industry for over 30 years im well aware of what is and isnt possible. The purpose of what we tried to accomplish was about community and reducing the impact of the bots I know it would work because it has worked in the past I had hoped, at the time as many others did that Amazon would atleast give it a shot or even consider it. Keep in mind at the time there was still over 500k players so still early in the games life span we ALL still had hope. Now all my friends are gone my guild is stagnent{not dead) and any ounce of community we once had is brigaded by white knights, shills, and selfish "whales" there's nothing and no one left that cares about any of this except a few people like myself. I still play because for me there arent any other options out there for at this time If this commentary comes off rude I apologize it is not my intent I wish only to have a better future with a game that i love Also i agree with the rest of what you said smilazon can SMD
im an RMTer and i want to be honest if i can choose between spending 50-100 usd a month on g2g getting more than double the gold that the lost ark crystal shop gives me or needing to have more that 6 characters running every dungeon and raid every day and week to maybe get the same amount of gold, i will choose the rmt method. not everyone is a streamer or has 8 hours a day to play lost ark. If the gold prices on the shop went cheaper i wouldve choose them but 20 usd for maybe 20k gold is crazy these days with the honing costs and material costs. and if i dont do any of this i will get gatekeeped because my gear lvl is too low or i dont have the most min maxed character there is to do new raids. I understand if people are mad for the giga whales with 25+ weapons on every alt and +9 esther weapons but thats another thing.
It's almost like they don't want to get rid of bots and RMTers. I don't get why they wouldn't want to, but their lax stance on it always has been strange from day 1. They're way too lenient, even if they're doing a tiny bit more now, it's not enough. I hear reports of players getting banned many times for RMT and yet they still can play. So clearly, what they're doing is ineffective.
Crazy theory. Without RMTers most people would not have enough gold to hone and do things like elixirs and trans etc... Here me out. The amount of gold we earn weekly is extremely small. Most people will sell excess mats like, leatstones and juice mats to help fund their honing. Without the RMTers the prices of these materials would plummet and the normal average player would go from making 80k extra a week to 15k extra a week. That lucky relic book you sold for 150k it wouldn't be 150k. That accessor you sold for 400k week 1 would not be 400k. That lucky esther drop you got would not have sold for 1 mil back in t3. So yeah it all trickles down and allows the F2P players enough gold to keep up and gives the whales the gold to buy their way through the game.
@@TyroneBigguns-mk3og That theory mostly doesn't work because no one is supposed to get to there quickly as they do. Most of these are supposed to eat time, which is why there's so many RMTers/whales who are currently bored because they're racing ahead too quickly. If our player base wasn't so top-heavy, it'd might not be such a big deal, but a lot of people FOMO and feel like they need to be at the bleeding edge. And because of how poor our player retention and how the lower end-game content are mostly empty, it's just how it's going to be unless they do something a bit more drastic to retain players. Of course, my own personal opinion.
RMT is a normal thing. The main problem is not RMT, but how these guys do it. I am not against RMT if it is a regular person who just plays this game a lot. I am against it when more than half of the entire population of the game are bots. RMT will not kill the game. The game is killed by bots.
1. Make some multi account preventions system (2FA is good enough) 2. Figure out where bots get their gold ( it's pretty much chaos una raids) make it all bound gold, for raids you can ban all buss drivers who buss bots, and buss advertisements as well for regular players( it's so simple just remove all text from titles and make more selectable options like reclear or prog/ lf sup or DPS/ clearing g1-3 that's it) there is absolutely no need for random text in partyfinder. 3. Do a huge bot ban wave after the changes above 4. Put all RMT players that you can get into negative value for all gold they got 5. Adjust all market prices via in game cash shop deals to burn all excess gold from people and also pump mats into the economy Only when they do this 5 easy steps it will be fixed(not fully but a huge portion of it), but they will never do it so enjoy your time playing while you can
Most of the ideas you have are ok, they've been said in one way shape or form but the one thing you can't do is put all RMT players into negative gold. That gold has benefitted too many people. Those leapstones you sold for 85G a pop was probably bought with botted gold? should they remove that gold from your account? No they shouldn't. What they need to do is fix the game first, then ban the bots, then make a statement saying if you RMT from here on out you will be banned. This can only be done after fixing the game. Then remove the ability to buy gold from the cash shop. RMT is RMT no matter where it comes from.
bots cant print gold... its alt account that print gold.. bots just redistribute gold... where does bots get gold from ??? Edit: embers, but thats an easy fix.
@kalnitez fight bussers. You cant eliminate them but can drive them underground. Gem deviate from typical price on the market by significant margin ? Flag account. Same with accesories with certain quality.
hi john, i can state one fact about bussing. note that im not against bus, i sometime do it and a lot of my friend are also doing it. but i can assure you one thing about bussing is, that the people that buying the bus is the RMT people with a LOT LOT of account, and rather than they ran their rat character is better to buy a bus. im from a country that have a lot of gold seller. so i know how it works cause our economy is like way lower than in US, so yes, selling gold is actually make a living out here. im talking WAY WAY WAY LOWER than US. now the thing is, busing price is lower than the actual raid itself. so lets say thaemine hard bus is 13k, but the raid itself gave you 20k, so you make 7k profit on EACH character, remember im talking LOT LOT character here, they might have 50 thae/echihd raid on their hand PER PERSON. say 1 man got 20 character doing thaemine alone it will gave them 140k, just by sitting in a bus, note that we have 3 raid/character. multiple it by 3 times/character for bus, and then u multiple it by how many people are doing this kind of drive, cause atleast HUNDREDS of them are doing it this way
Yeah, the bussing market is pretty wild right now. I know numerous people that do it now because there's so many people with multiple rat accounts. I try to tell them that by bussing they are enabling the gold farmers and the gold they generate doesn't go into the exchange market, it gets sold via RMT. This is why the inflation is out of control. They really need to fix the trusted status problem.
@@Thraxton57 not only that all the streamers (maybe john here included) is also doing lot of bus or just a bus in daily so that no body is mentioning this. which i cant complaint cause the gold from bussing is also not small, and also not betraying TOS too. like u hop to some random streamers all they do is bus and bus, only a few people maybe stoopz or john here that i hop into their stream and their doing some normal raids not some bus, i dont think they fixing shit
AGS should also look into streamers who blatantly use or display DPS meters on their screens. I thought using third-party programs like DPS meters was prohibited, yet some streamers still display them during their streams.
to combat RMT they should work on giving players a better alternative. The packs in the shop suck ass. Compared to gacha games or other MMO's you dont really feel incentivized to spend money. Even the $100 bundles they have up right now. You get more RC, but what am I going to spend it on? The packs suck!
I think the alt rosters generate much more gold to the inflation than bots nowadays... Ignite server was crazy for alt rosters... I believe I know more people who have alt rats from Ignite than those who doesn't nowadays xD
The ignite servers and laxing of trusted status opened the pathway for numerous accounts. I now know of numerous people that will multibox because of the mokoko tokens. For the SEA gold farmers, this laxing of trusted status is amazing. They made so many accounts and have people begging for their mokoko tokens. Also, the people riding busses where the cost is lower than what's earned, those aren't casual plebs, those are just gold farmers. The bussers enable them to earn gold and the casual that doesn't RMT get's screwed because that generated gold doesn't go into the RC conversion market. RMT costs have dropped in half since T4 launch. When hand-farmed RMT is 4x more valuable than in-game shop and the only punishment is a 2 week ban, if that, why wouldn't you RMT.
A quit in September after 3,600hours of game. I don't regret of the time that I played, its such a good game, but LoA demands A LOT of effort AND TIME, and if you stay out for a couple of months and plan to comeback you'll see that its not that easy and you will be so far behind in that barriers that game puts on it (ark passive, transcendence etc etc). It's jus not woth to comeback to stress with this ton of systems.
I pay for buses because i get stuff done that i couldnt before like transcendence and mats to get better gear. I cant join regular groups because i die once and the whole grp quits and a few people call you out and or talk trash. I watch vids but i learn by doing. Cant even get into Behemoth raid.
Good feedback! Hopefully you can get into some raids soon. I know it is tough to find a community you can get into that will take you when you're behind.
Who is Saturn and why do we care if he RMT’s? I assume he’s some small streamer? Also, why would Saturn care if he gets exposed for RMT? Cuz it’s gonna end his lucrative Lost Ark streaming career? It’s not like a big Lost Ark streamer like JohnPaul here got caught for RMT Edit: oh nm lol. He’s actually second behind JohnPaul for Lost Ark viewers at like 220’ish right now. HH.
@@rain3013 Facts. I’ve been RMT’ing since year one with a guy from Indonesia or is it Vietnam. Also doesn’t big boy AGS Henry ALLEGEDLY run with a notorious multi-boxer or some shit. Lost Ark can sell far more services and items if they don’t want to make the exchange rate more competitive like horizontal content items, amulets, runes etc. It is a pay to win game. I can go for months without stepping foot in a chaos dungeon (not even a desire to chaos bot those lol) or guardian or purple purify rune lol. Sell them past twitch drops too cuz I ain’t watching no streamer for 8 or 9 hrs. The ones that really got it bad are the ones that RMT and with 10,000 hours with even some close or at 15,000 or 20,000 hrs of playtime when the game dropped in NA on Feb 2022.
the market is not controled , which leads to inflated prices like think about about it when this game came out and we got our character to 1460 +++ how much do u think 1 igniter book cost ....30 to 40k gold and its stay at this price for a good while but now that we have relic book the price for those book went down the drain wanna know why cuz it wasnt the bot's or the rmter it was the player setting their own price for the books, use your brain if shit was fair in this game ppl wouldnt be quiting in mass. stop blaming the bot's and the rmter we know they had a hand in making shit bad but the players of this game had a hand in it to. and if anyone is gonna tell me am wrong u must be joking did we all not see most of the top ten ppl in the thaemine race get ban or prema. am just saying ive watch the same ppl glaze the game in comment and then quite saying the game wasnt for me .....get ur dishonest ......have a nice day and john grow that bread out man \O,O/
Not a loa specific problem. In every mmo possible there are gold resellers, some use bots some dont. Other mmos can somehow co exist with those type of activites because of how they work. You play the game and be good at it, you progress depending on how much time you put in on sessions, simple as. If you think straight up banning everyone suspicious and making more bound gold a thing with ridiculous payouts for solo raid, will fix the issues you are all very delusional. No, what needs to change is the stupid amount of vertical progression tied to the game and that mentality of grinding for a 0.1% increase in power all of that to get gatekept on current content and all the bullshit rng surrounding the game(acessories,stones, elixirs..). I guarantee you if honing and what not was available through silver or any big farmeable currency and mats farmeable and accessories/stones and every stupid rng system have some soft pity (transc is a good example ) the gold prices would absolutely crash and the bot activity reduced heavily. But ofc you wont, you all love that "korean mmo" aspect of the game. But then you gotta accept what comes with it, people will always want to be ahead of the curve and you and will do anything to achieve that.
i hear you believe me would love any one of those suggestions but your also right it will never happen. they dont listen Korea dont GAF about NA EU or SA it's on amazon what i dont get is who is really pulling the purse strings, my money is on amazon look how they treat there employees across the board. We there pay pigs they feed us just enough to keep our mouths shut slap'em (cheaters)on the wrist let them come back have big event let new bots in over and over. I love the core of this game but i despise all the rest of it id leave if there was something better but for me there isnt
nothing wrong with the grind but the problem is the grind is made insignificant when RMTers just swipe and pay ridiculous amounts for the thing you have to grind for 2 weeks to buy. 1 Adren book is 400k thats 2 weeks of grinding and the price is inflated by rmt gold. This is the problem. Do you think those books would be 400k gold if rmt didn't exist? 40 weeks to buy 20 adren books if you save all your gold that means no honing, no buying mats or gems, no accessories etc... Thats the biggest issue.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og It goes back to what I said. They had an opportunity to start fresh and less rng sided with ark passive and didn't get rid of that dogshit outdated system that is engravings and books. Hell they even added another tier for it after spending tons of money or countless raids to max them out in t3. If that shit wasn't rng gated and eazy to access it wouldn't cost 400k and close to no one who is playing the game grinding, would rmt for it. If rmt didn't exist it would still be 400k if not even more, given how random it is to get because people are driven by FOMO and wanting to play current content on release. You can't prevent people from swiping to get ahead of you espec in a "f2p" mmo like loa, there will always be injustice and people should stop focusing about that. Though I absolutely agree with you, no one should have to go through months of farming and saving on vertical progression just for some bs , but that's not rmters fault or bots here.
@Korzyon you do t understand if people can't buy gold how will they pay 400k per adrenaline book it minus a select few that played the market no one. I bussed everything for months and still between honing trans elixirs I couldnt afford these. This is making 500k a week. So no if you got rid of rmt the price would not be 400k gold. You doubling down on that shows how stubborn and biased your perspective is. Rmt is not limited to g2g it's also cash shop gold you should not be able to buy gold directly.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og they will find a way to buy it. Hoarding leaps, life skills etc... 500k by bussing is also really low. Bussers with juiced characters make something like 1mil at least. 2mil+ if they have multiple rosters Even 500k weekly with current content is rather low from dolphin-whale perspective if you are actively selling gems good accessories etc.. Yes I'm biased and so are you, but eventually how it goes will give reason to either of us. But from looking at the past, prices before bots invasions were always all time high even in t3. In game gold shop would also be a fix but rates always have been and always will be shit and not worth your money at all.
I'll always find it funny the debate about rmt when ppl are buying gold in the shop anyways. Like sure you can use the "im keeping the game alive" excuse all you want but it has the exact same impact in the playerbase as someone buying it from other players or bussing lol it's so disingenuous. Same thing as buying 10 skin chests and selling or buying 500k off a busser lol u are just putting a middle man but it has the same effect
There are way more people in the end game cities, I checked the starter areas for my server and saw zero bots, it's not a widespread issue, just some servers seem to have some bots more than others, but there's tons of real players playing also.
@@laina80 there;s only two NA servers on west, I picked one and played the other and they all had bots at some point when playing from 1-30 It's a wide known issue with this game
your wrong thoughs bot belong to someone playing the game they are not a separate entity NAW 1 person owns all the legendary skins they buy up any and skins and sells them a ta huge markup how ya think he got enough G to do that? they use scripting to insta anything they want off the AH price is set by them been this way sinse 3 months in, when lego skins came they started 1st week gems same thing accessory's same thing people use bots control market price goes up its really that simple
@@TenuousDragon what you are describing is RMTers who got gold from other farmers (players that farms and sell gold) and they are price fixing commodities by buying up the market. It literally has nothing to do with bots. Did you take your antipsychotic medication today?
? You can literally juice your character and easily bus your bots with 1-4 man on current easy raids like Behemoth Echidna/Thaemine NM or even lower than those. Wondering why no one ever see the lobby? Because matchmaking exists and no one ever uses it for raids. They can MM at the same time and will guarantee be matched. Thats already alot of gold made with just 1 run. Now imagine if they have 20k accounts as the steam charts shows recently.
New year. Same old problems. Nothing ever significant ever gets changed in lost ark. I've given up, it's never gonna get fixed.
Well apparently people only get a one month ban for getting caught RMT’ing for the third time so might at well start if they AGS doesn’t give a fuck about punishing it
happy new year everyone ❤
Happy new years!
NA East Luterra has 27 channels and they are all red bar because of the amount of bots.
Yeah it is rough on Balthorr too!
@@johnpaltv On Balthorr i saw we had over 100 channels of punika bots the other (last i think) week, was crazy to see
Bots, Gatekeep & RMT. LOST ARKS PILLARS
Elixir, Transcendence, now ark passive etc etc
Haha, yeah, ebbs and flows.
Are there even bots anymore? I don't see them on my server anymore.
RMT is such a big problem. it kills the game in so many different levels , needs to be fixed.
They just dont want, its 3rd year of the game with same problem, just give it up.
Chinese server do the right stuff right away, thats what to do if they actually care.
I agree.
How ? Normal exchange is worth shit right now. The new year pack is 16k RC for 99.99 and gives around 240k gold ?
You can buy 750k for 92 quid. That is how easy getting gold is for people with a full roster doing 6x weekly raids. Like top of the line HM raider make close to 150k per character.
Honing is just to expensive. Other stuff like books/jewelleries/gems are way way way to scarce. A lot of people dont know what to do with their gold unless they strive for +25 and the other half is only getting scraps around 1600-1660.
Collectibles of some areas cost in the 4 digits.
RMT isn't that big of a problem, bots are down on my server, and very few people RMT that I know of.. sure you might have some that do.. but it's not a huge issue.
My mans spent more than 20K USD and does not consider himself a whale aint no way lmao
yo that dude talking about bare feet brought up a really good point just saying
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If they want to ban RMT they first need to admit that we did not have the time to progress in game to earn gold and hone properly. Our release cadence was almost twice as fast as KR had that means we had nearly half the time to accumulate gold and mats but we were never compensated properly. For those with multiple characters on a roster what good does 10 boxes of leapstones do that gives 5 taps.
They needed to either increase the the drop rate of gold and all materials by the appropriate amount or nerf costs of everything by the appropriate amount. This means everything that costs gold and materials. But that the time has passed they should just look at how much gold you earned during that time and just give us double it.
Until they fix the game they need to understand for some people RMT is necessary to keep up. YES I RMT through the cash shop there is no diff. CASH SHOP G2G its all RMT.
Well there’s could always remove the buy limit from the in game shop , so people don’t have to wait. Until the refresh to buy again
@@kalnitez I don't think that fixes anything. RMT is RMT it is ruining our game. Takes 2 weeks of raids to buy 1 adrenaline relic book. you need 20 thats 40 weeks of raids to buy 20 adrenaline books. Thats 12 weeks off a year.
Fix the game or remove RMT completely no more buying gold. This is from g2g and cash shop. Fix our economy.
Honestly been playing lost ark in NA since release off and on. I have never seen or heard about you but I like your content. Glad my yt finally showed me you lmao.
Hey man! Appreciate the love.
Before my guild dispursed we spent some time making a offer to run a anti-bot force it woulda been amazing for the whole community,,,,back when there was one they ignored us banned 2 of my guildy's outta the forums deleted our posts I even found out where the bots came from they ignored that too....we got our answer kick rocks DGAF
Awh man.
going after bots is a waste of time. you think its a small little business in a basement but its an industry with thousands of operators and a coordinated chain of command. you cant stop them by banning them they will just come back.
the only way to stop them from over running a game is punishing the rmters. that will dry up demand so the servers aren't over run with bots.
but you are right AGS DGAF. the CM shut down the official forums FFS. if they did care and respect the game and the players they would have punished rmters. AGS is the epitome of corpa they dont actually have passion for the game.
@@rjacks3284 You don't know what i think. having worked in the gaming industry for over 30 years im well aware of what is and isnt possible. The purpose of what we tried to accomplish was about community and reducing the impact of the bots I know it would work because it has worked in the past I had hoped, at the time as many others did that Amazon would atleast give it a shot or even consider it. Keep in mind at the time there was still over 500k players so still early in the games life span we ALL still had hope. Now all my friends are gone my guild is stagnent{not dead) and any ounce of community we once had is brigaded by white knights, shills, and selfish "whales" there's nothing and no one left that cares about any of this except a few people like myself. I still play because for me there arent any other options out there for at this time If this commentary comes off rude I apologize it is not my intent I wish only to have a better future with a game that i love Also i agree with the rest of what you said smilazon can SMD
im an RMTer and i want to be honest if i can choose between spending 50-100 usd a month on g2g getting more than double the gold that the lost ark crystal shop gives me or needing to have more that 6 characters running every dungeon and raid every day and week to maybe get the same amount of gold, i will choose the rmt method. not everyone is a streamer or has 8 hours a day to play lost ark. If the gold prices on the shop went cheaper i wouldve choose them but 20 usd for maybe 20k gold is crazy these days with the honing costs and material costs. and if i dont do any of this i will get gatekeeped because my gear lvl is too low or i dont have the most min maxed character there is to do new raids. I understand if people are mad for the giga whales with 25+ weapons on every alt and +9 esther weapons but thats another thing.
It's almost like they don't want to get rid of bots and RMTers. I don't get why they wouldn't want to, but their lax stance on it always has been strange from day 1. They're way too lenient, even if they're doing a tiny bit more now, it's not enough. I hear reports of players getting banned many times for RMT and yet they still can play. So clearly, what they're doing is ineffective.
Crazy theory. Without RMTers most people would not have enough gold to hone and do things like elixirs and trans etc... Here me out. The amount of gold we earn weekly is extremely small. Most people will sell excess mats like, leatstones and juice mats to help fund their honing. Without the RMTers the prices of these materials would plummet and the normal average player would go from making 80k extra a week to 15k extra a week. That lucky relic book you sold for 150k it wouldn't be 150k. That accessor you sold for 400k week 1 would not be 400k. That lucky esther drop you got would not have sold for 1 mil back in t3. So yeah it all trickles down and allows the F2P players enough gold to keep up and gives the whales the gold to buy their way through the game.
@@TyroneBigguns-mk3og That theory mostly doesn't work because no one is supposed to get to there quickly as they do. Most of these are supposed to eat time, which is why there's so many RMTers/whales who are currently bored because they're racing ahead too quickly. If our player base wasn't so top-heavy, it'd might not be such a big deal, but a lot of people FOMO and feel like they need to be at the bleeding edge. And because of how poor our player retention and how the lower end-game content are mostly empty, it's just how it's going to be unless they do something a bit more drastic to retain players.
Of course, my own personal opinion.
RMT is a normal thing. The main problem is not RMT, but how these guys do it.
I am not against RMT if it is a regular person who just plays this game a lot. I am against it when more than half of the entire population of the game are bots.
RMT will not kill the game. The game is killed by bots.
1. Make some multi account preventions system (2FA is good enough)
2. Figure out where bots get their gold ( it's pretty much chaos una raids) make it all bound gold, for raids you can ban all buss drivers who buss bots, and buss advertisements as well for regular players( it's so simple just remove all text from titles and make more selectable options like reclear or prog/ lf sup or DPS/ clearing g1-3 that's it) there is absolutely no need for random text in partyfinder.
3. Do a huge bot ban wave after the changes above
4. Put all RMT players that you can get into negative value for all gold they got
5. Adjust all market prices via in game cash shop deals to burn all excess gold from people and also pump mats into the economy
Only when they do this 5 easy steps it will be fixed(not fully but a huge portion of it), but they will never do it so enjoy your time playing while you can
All good steps!
Most of the ideas you have are ok, they've been said in one way shape or form but the one thing you can't do is put all RMT players into negative gold. That gold has benefitted too many people. Those leapstones you sold for 85G a pop was probably bought with botted gold? should they remove that gold from your account? No they shouldn't.
What they need to do is fix the game first, then ban the bots, then make a statement saying if you RMT from here on out you will be banned. This can only be done after fixing the game. Then remove the ability to buy gold from the cash shop. RMT is RMT no matter where it comes from.
bots cant print gold... its alt account that print gold.. bots just redistribute gold... where does bots get gold from ???
Edit: embers, but thats an easy fix.
What should they do ? Punish people who invest their own time to play alts ?
@kalnitez fight bussers. You cant eliminate them but can drive them underground. Gem deviate from typical price on the market by significant margin ? Flag account. Same with accesories with certain quality.
hi john, i can state one fact about bussing. note that im not against bus, i sometime do it and a lot of my friend are also doing it.
but i can assure you one thing about bussing is, that the people that buying the bus is the RMT people with a LOT LOT of account, and rather than they ran their rat character is better to buy a bus.
im from a country that have a lot of gold seller. so i know how it works cause our economy is like way lower than in US, so yes, selling gold is actually make a living out here. im talking WAY WAY WAY LOWER than US.
now the thing is, busing price is lower than the actual raid itself. so lets say thaemine hard bus is 13k, but the raid itself gave you 20k, so you make 7k profit on EACH character, remember im talking LOT LOT character here, they might have 50 thae/echihd raid on their hand PER PERSON.
say 1 man got 20 character doing thaemine alone it will gave them 140k, just by sitting in a bus, note that we have 3 raid/character. multiple it by 3 times/character for bus, and then u multiple it by how many people are doing this kind of drive, cause atleast HUNDREDS of them are doing it this way
Yeah, the bussing market is pretty wild right now. I know numerous people that do it now because there's so many people with multiple rat accounts. I try to tell them that by bussing they are enabling the gold farmers and the gold they generate doesn't go into the exchange market, it gets sold via RMT. This is why the inflation is out of control. They really need to fix the trusted status problem.
@@Thraxton57 not only that all the streamers (maybe john here included) is also doing lot of bus or just a bus in daily so that no body is mentioning this. which i cant complaint cause the gold from bussing is also not small, and also not betraying TOS too.
like u hop to some random streamers all they do is bus and bus, only a few people maybe stoopz or john here that i hop into their stream and their doing some normal raids not some bus, i dont think they fixing shit
im totally a spender on outfits over honing LOL each of my chars has 8+ sets of outfits LOLOL guilty as charged
AGS should also look into streamers who blatantly use or display DPS meters on their screens. I thought using third-party programs like DPS meters was prohibited, yet some streamers still display them during their streams.
bro its a dps meter its not hurting anyone go touch grass.
to combat RMT they should work on giving players a better alternative. The packs in the shop suck ass. Compared to gacha games or other MMO's you dont really feel incentivized to spend money. Even the $100 bundles they have up right now. You get more RC, but what am I going to spend it on? The packs suck!
Yeah, better packs and value would help.
+1
I think the alt rosters generate much more gold to the inflation than bots nowadays... Ignite server was crazy for alt rosters... I believe I know more people who have alt rats from Ignite than those who doesn't nowadays xD
Yeah, a lot of members of the community made alt rosters over time with each event. It is crazy!
The ignite servers and laxing of trusted status opened the pathway for numerous accounts. I now know of numerous people that will multibox because of the mokoko tokens. For the SEA gold farmers, this laxing of trusted status is amazing. They made so many accounts and have people begging for their mokoko tokens. Also, the people riding busses where the cost is lower than what's earned, those aren't casual plebs, those are just gold farmers. The bussers enable them to earn gold and the casual that doesn't RMT get's screwed because that generated gold doesn't go into the RC conversion market. RMT costs have dropped in half since T4 launch. When hand-farmed RMT is 4x more valuable than in-game shop and the only punishment is a 2 week ban, if that, why wouldn't you RMT.
RMT P2P is not bad as P2bot
IM EXPOSED ON STREAM AND UA-cam ITS OVER FOR ME
FLU YOU'RE GEAT!
I love buying up cheap mats in AH rn to resell later when new updates hit. It's been helping a lot as f2p. 😂
Haha I'm sure!
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A quit in September after 3,600hours of game. I don't regret of the time that I played, its such a good game, but LoA demands A LOT of effort AND TIME, and if you stay out for a couple of months and plan to comeback you'll see that its not that easy and you will be so far behind in that barriers that game puts on it (ark passive, transcendence etc etc). It's jus not woth to comeback to stress with this ton of systems.
Good feedback!
I pay for buses because i get stuff done that i couldnt before like transcendence and mats to get better gear. I cant join regular groups because i die once and the whole grp quits and a few people call you out and or talk trash. I watch vids but i learn by doing. Cant even get into Behemoth raid.
Good feedback! Hopefully you can get into some raids soon. I know it is tough to find a community you can get into that will take you when you're behind.
Who is Saturn and why do we care if he RMT’s? I assume he’s some small streamer? Also, why would Saturn care if he gets exposed for RMT? Cuz it’s gonna end his lucrative Lost Ark streaming career? It’s not like a big Lost Ark streamer like JohnPaul here got caught for RMT
Edit: oh nm lol. He’s actually second behind JohnPaul for Lost Ark viewers at like 220’ish right now. HH.
Ppl acting like streamers are Prophet lol. Who wouldnt want cheap RMT.
It was more of a talking point then it was about the individual. I'm a nobody.
@@rain3013 Facts. I’ve been RMT’ing since year one with a guy from Indonesia or is it Vietnam. Also doesn’t big boy AGS Henry ALLEGEDLY run with a notorious multi-boxer or some shit.
Lost Ark can sell far more services and items if they don’t want to make the exchange rate more competitive like horizontal content items, amulets, runes etc. It is a pay to win game. I can go for months without stepping foot in a chaos dungeon (not even a desire to chaos bot those lol) or guardian or purple purify rune lol. Sell them past twitch drops too cuz I ain’t watching no streamer for 8 or 9 hrs.
The ones that really got it bad are the ones that RMT and with 10,000 hours with even some close or at 15,000 or 20,000 hrs of playtime when the game dropped in NA on Feb 2022.
bots since release. game is p2w and can't be saved. enjoy raids till it last.
the market is not controled , which leads to inflated prices like think about about it when this game came out and we got our character to 1460 +++ how much do u think 1 igniter book cost ....30 to 40k gold and its stay at this price for a good while but now that we have relic book the price for those book went down the drain wanna know why cuz it wasnt the bot's or the rmter it was the player setting their own price for the books, use your brain if shit was fair in this game ppl wouldnt be quiting in mass. stop blaming the bot's and the rmter we know they had a hand in making shit bad but the players of this game had a hand in it to. and if anyone is gonna tell me am wrong u must be joking did we all not see most of the top ten ppl in the thaemine race get ban or prema. am just saying ive watch the same ppl glaze the game in comment and then quite saying the game wasnt for me .....get ur dishonest ......have a nice day and john grow that bread out man \O,O/
Do you think people would be able to afford 400k for 1 relic adrenaline book if they didn't rmt? you really are short sighted.
Not a loa specific problem. In every mmo possible there are gold resellers, some use bots some dont.
Other mmos can somehow co exist with those type of activites because of how they work. You play the game and be good at it, you progress depending on how much time you put in on sessions, simple as.
If you think straight up banning everyone suspicious and making more bound gold a thing with ridiculous payouts for solo raid, will fix the issues you are all very delusional. No, what needs to change is the stupid amount of vertical progression tied to the game and that mentality of grinding for a 0.1% increase in power all of that to get gatekept on current content and all the bullshit rng surrounding the game(acessories,stones, elixirs..). I guarantee you if honing and what not was available through silver or any big farmeable currency and mats farmeable and accessories/stones and every stupid rng system have some soft pity (transc is a good example ) the gold prices would absolutely crash and the bot activity reduced heavily.
But ofc you wont, you all love that "korean mmo" aspect of the game. But then you gotta accept what comes with it, people will always want to be ahead of the curve and you and will do anything to achieve that.
i hear you believe me would love any one of those suggestions but your also right it will never happen. they dont listen Korea dont GAF about NA EU or SA it's on amazon what i dont get is who is really pulling the purse strings, my money is on amazon look how they treat there employees across the board. We there pay pigs they feed us just enough to keep our mouths shut slap'em (cheaters)on the wrist let them come back have big event let new bots in over and over. I love the core of this game but i despise all the rest of it id leave if there was something better but for me there isnt
nothing wrong with the grind but the problem is the grind is made insignificant when RMTers just swipe and pay ridiculous amounts for the thing you have to grind for 2 weeks to buy. 1 Adren book is 400k thats 2 weeks of grinding and the price is inflated by rmt gold. This is the problem. Do you think those books would be 400k gold if rmt didn't exist? 40 weeks to buy 20 adren books if you save all your gold that means no honing, no buying mats or gems, no accessories etc... Thats the biggest issue.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og It goes back to what I said.
They had an opportunity to start fresh and less rng sided with ark passive and didn't get rid of that dogshit outdated system that is engravings and books. Hell they even added another tier for it after spending tons of money or countless raids to max them out in t3.
If that shit wasn't rng gated and eazy to access it wouldn't cost 400k and close to no one who is playing the game grinding, would rmt for it. If rmt didn't exist it would still be 400k if not even more, given how random it is to get because people are driven by FOMO and wanting to play current content on release.
You can't prevent people from swiping to get ahead of you espec in a "f2p" mmo like loa, there will always be injustice and people should stop focusing about that. Though I absolutely agree with you, no one should have to go through months of farming and saving on vertical progression just for some bs , but that's not rmters fault or bots here.
@Korzyon you do t understand if people can't buy gold how will they pay 400k per adrenaline book it minus a select few that played the market no one. I bussed everything for months and still between honing trans elixirs I couldnt afford these. This is making 500k a week. So no if you got rid of rmt the price would not be 400k gold. You doubling down on that shows how stubborn and biased your perspective is. Rmt is not limited to g2g it's also cash shop gold you should not be able to buy gold directly.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og they will find a way to buy it. Hoarding leaps, life skills etc...
500k by bussing is also really low. Bussers with juiced characters make something like 1mil at least. 2mil+ if they have multiple rosters
Even 500k weekly with current content is rather low from dolphin-whale perspective if you are actively selling gems good accessories etc..
Yes I'm biased and so are you, but eventually how it goes will give reason to either of us. But from looking at the past, prices before bots invasions were always all time high even in t3.
In game gold shop would also be a fix but rates always have been and always will be shit and not worth your money at all.
I'll always find it funny the debate about rmt when ppl are buying gold in the shop anyways. Like sure you can use the "im keeping the game alive" excuse all you want but it has the exact same impact in the playerbase as someone buying it from other players or bussing lol it's so disingenuous. Same thing as buying 10 skin chests and selling or buying 500k off a busser lol u are just putting a middle man but it has the same effect
downloaded because the game looked fun,
immediately uninstalled because i saw hundreds of bots and like 10 actual players
Good feedback man, hopefully they get things under control.
There are way more people in the end game cities, I checked the starter areas for my server and saw zero bots, it's not a widespread issue, just some servers seem to have some bots more than others, but there's tons of real players playing also.
@@laina80 there;s only two NA servers on west, I picked one and played the other and they all had bots at some point when playing from 1-30
It's a wide known issue with this game
@@GodHexe Maybe on the west servers, east servers have way less bots, they aren't noticeable at least on my server thankfully.
why does every content creator think bots cause inflation. They dont create gold. That only comes from raids.
your wrong thoughs bot belong to someone playing the game they are not a separate entity NAW 1 person owns all the legendary skins they buy up any and skins and sells them a ta huge markup how ya think he got enough G to do that? they use scripting to insta anything they want off the AH price is set by them been this way sinse 3 months in, when lego skins came they started 1st week gems same thing accessory's same thing people use bots control market price goes up its really that simple
@ prices increasing is not inflation 😂. Inflation is increased total gold supply. Also English is clearly your second language 💀
@@TenuousDragon what you are describing is RMTers who got gold from other farmers (players that farms and sell gold) and they are price fixing commodities by buying up the market. It literally has nothing to do with bots. Did you take your antipsychotic medication today?
@@bigzzz2611 clearly u should send back your high school diploma there is a children's game called connect the dots you should try it
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You can literally juice your character and easily bus your bots with 1-4 man on current easy raids like Behemoth Echidna/Thaemine NM or even lower than those. Wondering why no one ever see the lobby? Because matchmaking exists and no one ever uses it for raids. They can MM at the same time and will guarantee be matched. Thats already alot of gold made with just 1 run. Now imagine if they have 20k accounts as the steam charts shows recently.