Explain: Warriors Decisions on Klay, CP3, Looney, GP2 & Free Agency | with cap analyst Perks
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Explain: Warriors Decisions on Klay, CP3, Looney, GP2 & Free Agency | with Cap Analyst Perks
for beginners and cap nerds
by @EricApricot
Eric Apricot and Perks from GSW Reddit dive deep into the Golden State Warriors' salary cap situation and potential free agent moves. They discuss the complexities of the NBA salary cap, the impact of new tax regulations on the Warriors, and key strategies to navigate out of the second apron. The conversation covers possible roster changes, including the fate of players like Chris Paul, Klay Thompson, Gary Payton II and Kevon Looney, and explores realistic free agent targets.
0:00 Intro
00:39 Review of the New NBA Salary Cap Penalties
02:30 Chris Paul's Magical Contract and Avoiding Penalties
11:43 Paying Klay 1
14:39 Gary Payton II
16:28 Kevon Looney
20:58 Paying Klay 2
25:11 What if Klay leaves?
29:36 Mid-Level Free Agents
39:07 Minimum Contract Candidates
43:18 Buying Another Draft Pick
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If I were comissioner, maybe I'd try this: salary on any player who STAYED on their original drafted team is not taxed. Mega luxury tax on all other players. This will incentivize player development/loyalty and reasonable max salaries b/c those players become otherwise untradeable. Super teams thru the draft is good. Super team through trades is bad.
No, that is a bad idea, bad for the league, bad for the players and indirectly causes bad effects for the teams, but reduced some taxes could be imply.
@@wxyz8947 explain?
There should be some kind of benefit for teams that develop players. You shouldn't be penalized for being good at drafting. It also incentivizes player development.
@@marcomoon6062there is some benefit. They can pay them more than any other team.
This is the best and most detailed analysis that I ever saw in youtube. You were preparing great games breakdowns but this is really huge. Keep doing good work :)
I wish the NBA didn't penalize teams for making great draft choices. Steph, Dray, Klay, Kevon, and Kuminga should be able to stay without counting for 100% of their pay.
i agree, but those great draft choices still have extreme value across the rest of the league, and apparently they want to incentivize players to look at other offers from teams with cap space, or for front offices to shuffle the deck. they don’t want to see dynasties last as long as the warriors
@@slickest123452 Which is dumb since dynasties are what bring in eyeballs. Just the negatives of poorly/cheaply run organizations having as much of a say.
Guys the music is a staple of this channel just get over it and listen to them drop knowledge! 💯 go Dubs! 🏀
Thank you for the detailed breakdown. It was very informative and enjoyable. Please do more of these in the future.
Im almost done with vid but im surprised no mention of bol bol. Fan fav for suns! 40+ 3pt % ! Great size! And young! Potential for low price!!!!
Great video.
Klay is past his prime an not worth the money. We could use that money on some good role players
Great podcast.
Music is too loud
Love this. 2 goats just dropped
Who's the other?
good vid
Yeah, I’m struggling with this music
look if klay is leaving that means all the old vets can leave also. looney, draymond, cp3, wiggins. its time to rebuild when the young stars are shinning
So im a cap guy too the warriors actually had a way out and they didnt take it they could of been the 76erd of the west right now with lots of cap space. They should of let dg walk last offseason. Then let klay cp39 looney could of been stretched snd waved gp2 also. Then they would of had cap space to build a contender around Steph but they choice the nostalgia tour instead
Perk’s is the best guest ever!! What a genius 🧠
Also, I think another vet min goes away if you signed a full mid level exception. So klay’s number is like 21 million before the 1st apron if you’re signing over the luxury tax
I am never going to understand this 😂 but this was a great video.
ALEX LEN would be a huge win. Appreciate you guys bringing that up. Any warriors fan that disagrees needs to rewatch our 2023 series against the Kings. Dude is a hustler and he always happens to be on the court when good things are happening. He’s not going to play in front of Sabonis so he’s always an afterthought in Sac.
As for Looney, take a look at his per 36. Literally the same production as 2022. I think he got scapegoated a bit in 2024 for other things that were not working.
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Eric, no celebration audit?
can you share this file as a view only to teh public. would love to play around w trade scenariors without recreating this on my own. thanks this was amazing!
What about Jayce Johnson the 7 footer at Santa Cruz? Any talk about him?
So how can this 2nd apron stuff not apply to other teams like ugh the Lakers? If we have to operate with one hand tied behind our backs then that has to be true for all teams...
Just look at the teams in the WEST!! Even if Klay plays like an ALL-star, the chances of GSW making past round 2 is Slim. They need fresh players
if Curry doesn't want to end up like Lebron he has to take a tim duncan deal
Imagine having a Job and saying to urself im a give up 90%+ of my salary for the team. You ppl are nuts lol.
He wouldn’t want to end up like Lebron with all the records but all the L’s in the Finals, and with lots of asterisk *superteam on any chip.
@blue-uo6yl players make more money on the exposure to winning teams off court, Duncan and Tom Brady took discounts
I don't think he can restructure a deal like in the NFL. They need to stick with the deal until the end of the contract and then take a pay cut when doing their new contract. Aside from that, Steph has endorsements and other deals he can consider, but just about every person in a professional setting rarely takes a paycut willingly. The only time I've seen players take paycuts to keep a team together was in the NFL. The dynastic 49ers of the 80s and 90s had players take paycuts to keep the team together. Either that or Bill Walsh would simply trade a star player if he felt like a player was on the downside of his peak. (see lott, montana, craig, etc)
@@jason9154 You do realize taking a 90% paycut doesnt guarantee a championship right? Idiots like u would scoff at a 10% paycut at ur own job yet u expect pro players to do the same lol.
Loon with Steph +12.8
Loon with Klay +8.2
Loon with both Steph and Klay -4.5
That’s a huge drop off. Steph and Klay need staggered minutes because together they can’t get stops.
The Dubs finished out of the playoffs with the highest salary in the league? Lacob is not stupid. There is not way I can think of to get the Dubs to a top 4 team. Klay has to decide if he wants to finish with the Dubs. If he does he will have to sign for less than $20M. Even so the Dubs will be a mediocre team but at least they will have a future and they will not have a stupid cost structure for the team they have.
Sound pretty much when they traded Poole they lied because they said it was for optionality. If they just let cp39 contract expire the Poole trade was a epic fail. Im still mad they traded him
Tobias and hayward are pretty bad suggestions for free agency picks 😅 might as well ride with the youngsters at that point
Putting aside how stupid the NBA salary system is, they really should make an exception for teams who pay max or near max contract to multiple of their own drafted players. OKC might face some trouble in the near future and they will have to make sacrifice, it's really sad. This idea of parity is only good on paper. Sadly it's not very realistic in the real world
GSW need a Paul George like trade to get them in the running again. So see if you can fit that. I predicted KD trade at the time because I saw the room they had. Now they no room and not enough players to make a good team. Lose Thompson that is a start. I have been a GSW fan since the Iguodala trade 🙂
Is it possible the Warriors do sign and trade for Klay?
With Timestamps
Please get rid of the music. Good discussion though.
no music
Can someone explain to me why we're not talking about trading Wiggins?
I’ll take a stab. 1). Negative contract value. Would have to attach an asset just to get rid of it. 2). Everyone always looking for wings (including us). Kinda hard to just trade one of those in return for what may potentially be another guard or PF. Easier to just surround Wiggins with better talent and hope he thrives in a tertiary role.
I believe you only need 12 players on the cap. Do you have 2 extra incomplete roater charges?
No, 15 are required on active + inactive list except for 28 days. See CBA XXIX.2.
It’s really too bad Steph is so Loyal, the Dubs are going to be able to go all in and win with this roster, they might as well start rebuilding. Get a bunch of first round picks and young players for Steph, Dray, and Wiggs. Build around the young core. I’d call up Morey and tell him to send me Tyrese Maxey and all your picks for the next 20 years for Steph! 😂 He’d prolly try his best to do it!
what happened to Lester Quinones????
He’s a free agent
@redpillproductions7187 *restricted free agent. He could very well be back.
There is no reason to have background music the entire time. Super distracting to overall good analysis.
CP3 making $30M is WILD 😂😂
The music is seriously annoying
TOBIAS HARRIS OVER ME??? Klay probably
I’m definitely going to rewatch this a few times.
But here’s a hypothetical that was successful in the Trade Machine
Its a 3 team deal…
Chris Paul, Klay Thompson (3 yr $80M) Kuzma, Moody and WIZ’s #2 pick this year to Miami
Wizards receive Wiggins and Tyler Herro
Warriors receive Jimmy Butler and Duncan Robinson
I’d then shop Duncan with a future 1st Rd pick to Orlando for Jonathan Issac since Klay would be off the market for them.
This would also help the luxury tax since he’s on a 1yr deal too.
Trade Looney for Isaiah Joe sounds perfect
And sign Miles Bridges on a MLE, McDermott and potentially Ben Simmons on a minimum if he’s involved in a Lavine trade/buyout
On paper
Steph Butler JK Dray Trayce
Podz Joe Bridges Santos Issac GP2 Simmons, McDermott
Great/Versatile defensive team
Better in the paint
3 dependable scorers
@@redpillproductions7187 The first deal would significantly weaken Miami, why would they accept? And simmons on a minimum? I think the mofo is still way too proud to accept that. Miles Bridges off the bench would be great though but all in all extremely unlikely to happen in my eyes. Would be amazing though... That would be a team that could actually make it through the first round :D
@@redpillproductions7187 wow that doesn’t sound too bad, but would blow up most of the team. Just conscious of stuff like this, I played 2k and did something similar(albeit it is 2k but still), not sure the chemistry would be there. This may be a 1 year chip run(first year wouldn’t expect them to go too far) but that year, rookies would be off contracts(kuminga mainly) so…..
@@leealvin121 2017 Warriors blew up most of 73-9 team too, it ain’t impossible. Just as long as we make the playoffs with a healthy Steph Jimmy and Draymond I’m confident in us making a run.
And we’d have system fits.. Miles is an all around guy: A willing passer, defender, scorer and him and Draymond are cool.
Issac is like a Iggy/McGee hybrid, could match up with MPJ, KP, KD, AD
Simmons is a 6’10 Draymond type who played with Jimmy before. Just play him with our shooters. Can guard anybody tbh.
McDermott plays like Klay
Jimmy is a more aggressive version of Wiggins would can play make too.
ggs
If I am a new GM who is trying to keep his job, which Mike Dunleavy is btw, then waving CP3 and Klay is probably the easiest logical decision one can make (just stick with the young players and stay under the tax threshold). That being said, I know he used to be a very competitive basketball player, so he might not be devoted to emotions like a like a businessman robot like other GMs in the league and actually go for a big trade and help Steph win another chip.
If, by some miracle, somebody read all of this, I have no idea where I am going with this as a Warriors fan. I have no idea what the right decision is. Do I look for the future with Kuminga and podz, or is Steph still have another miracle championship run on his gas tank?
Steph certainly has, the rest of team not so much though... Wiggins and Dray make way too much money for players of their value. If they wanna bring back Klay you have another person making too much. Without Steph taking a big salary cut, which he absolute will not take, and bringing in another at least high level player we're basically looking at a lottery team. The only way this team will have a playoff spot at the end of the season is by them eating the giant tax and bringing in another star.
Stephanie??? HOW ABOUT SOME RESPECT? Hopefully that was an autocorrect
@@sueprator9314 the guy didn't edited his comment so you read it wrong.
@@sueprator9314 it was thank you i fixed it
What’s the point of moving out of the tax while you have Steph on your roster? I understand the idea of wanting to get out of the repeater but wouldn’t that happen naturally after the core retires?
Because if you want to have any chance to get players to complement Steph, you have to get below the tax to have the resources to make deals. If Steph had cut the team some slack and signed for "only" 40mill instead of 50 mill, they wouldn't have this problem. OTOH, he did cut them some slack on his first post-rookie contract. So, they are paying him now because they did not pay him earlier. But rules change, and they can't make this work any more without freeing up money to get more costly players who aren't legacy players (like Klay).
@@LucasX-od8kw that doesn’t answer my question. The repeater tax doesn’t prevent them from signing players. Being a team that operates under the tax is essentially saying we are a losing team and we aren’t trying to win. Why would you want to be a losing team when you have Curry?
@@LucasX-od8kw he didn't cut them a deal on his renewal, it was very much seen as them taking a risk on him. it became an incredible deal, but no one knew his ankles were actually going to be totally fine going forward.
@@crystalsturdivant269 we're a losing team right now while they're paying tons of tax and not being able to sign anyone, so they might as well not pay tons of tax.
@@lepidopterythey aren’t going to be able to sign anyone anyways. Steph/Dray/Wiggins pretty much make the salary cap. Next year Steph/Dray/jk will make up TV the salary cap and that’s assuming they don’t have Wiggins. If you don’t resign Klay or let CP3 walk you lose their salary slots which impacts you wanting to trade. If you don’t have larger salaries on your roster to trade how do you make a ‘splash’. Cutting all this salary just to be a bad team makes no sense. If you are going to do that you might as well blow the whole thing up & start from scratch. Starting with trading your best asset which is Steph
The crazy thing is that the Klay resigning scenario does not improve the team at all
Well that cleared up nothing. :(
Klay is gone. He wants to be a top priority and dubs already bench Klay once
He unfollowed the Warriors today. How can that not mean something?
With his performance?
This would have been a lot more enjoyable without the background music
Hard agree. At least like half the volume.
I didn't notice it tilthis comment. Eq the music and turn it down a little. With no music I would have stopped watching.
Don’t disparage the Dub Nation soundtrack!
Hey I’m with OP. Try not to discourage the good work yall put out but this was very distracting.
I love the music stop it
Nic Batum definitely isn't going to be available at the minimum. He was better than Tobias and Gordon in these playoffs too lol.
he doesnt care about money and only play for a team who can win a ring
@@mhscchampion14ebudget Philly has a better chance of winning a ring than dubs lol, and they can offer him a lot more. The point I was making was that the vet min target (Batum) is actually better than the proposed first option 13m targets (Hayward and Harris).
@@a3per818Batum always been a good and underrated player But Batum said at the beginning of last season it will be his last season in nba. I think the only thing who might change his mind is if he feels he has a big chance to win a ring. So dont be surprised if he sign at the minimum or if he plays at ASVEL in France because his friend Tony Parker is the owner and Batum is one of the shareholders.
Dubs should have never signed with CP.
They traded for him
easy drop wiggins klay and looney
Salary cap is wayyy harder to work
Removing take fouls might be the reason looney fell off. You have to run up and down now. You can’t just foul to stop possession and regroup
Generally waste of time - if we have that roaster to keep it under the lux tax then say goodbye to Curry chances of another title. You better think what blockbuster is going to happen and don't worry about lux tax.
(1) Can the warriors trade Wiggs and Moody
~ to Toronto: for Poeltl and Boucher?
Or
~ to Milwaukee: for Khris Middleton?
(2) Maybe sign Patty Mills as a 3rd string PG? Vet min?
(3) Maybe sign Mason Plumlee or Xavier Tillman for the Center spot?
(4) Experiment on Lonnie Walker IV as SG?
Protest
This stupid music killed this video
Trade Green, he's an expensive hand bag!
Simple... Fire Steve Kerr....solves all the Warriors problems
Free agency, player salaries, and salary cap rules are so effin stupid. It's like trying to deal with a phone plan designed by a bunch of marketing and lawyer departments.
Just have hard player/team caps and minimums and done with it. No need for all this shat.
why does voice sound sooo AI
You’re listening to too many ai voices. Making you think all voices are ai. Dude just has a good mic.
Also, if you are watching at low quality / resolution, the audio is compromised and can sound roboty.
CP3 is way more valuable than Klay right now.
How unfair... we drafted everyone but the NBA won't let us pay them...what a hoax!
Things are looking grim, these free agents aren’t championship players… it’s really over…that blown #2 pick was way too big of a whiff.
It’s been great yall 🫡