Other than one part towards the end, this isn't a drama video. It's literally just me disagreeing with someone and is only considered drama because said someone dislikes me. Also this took like 2 hours to make and is on the second channel so chill with the slop allegations I'm already back to making "real" videos.
I have watched (listened) to your videos so many time it's embarassing. I don't agree with all your takes, but when i check out some other ''retrospectives'' it's just shocking how lazy most of them are.
It is remarkable how there is always so much drama between channels that discuss Bethesda's IP. While attempting to avoid the drama but still addressing it, Strat-Edgy appears to be losing his "edge". During the drama over Starfield being considered objectively bad, he seemed to be "suffering" greatly from you watching his videos and streams. According to him, having you watch his content was "disturbing" and "weird." Additionally, SuperRAD's shilling of Bethesda and Amazon and seek to become a pseudo-breadtuber began to make me lose interest in his content. If he begins flagging other channels, it's over.
@@mrultima9466 Indeed. He's been making a lot of videos, as if he's in a hurry or afraid someone will make one before him. And by coincidence none of them are really good. He lost what made his channel unique, it's becoming more and more generic and safe.
@PlebTV that and this is your guy's jobs. Now you're some new bloke coming along doing what a lot of them have been doing them for years. And imo you're blowing them out of the water, for years I was looking for a channel that does actual analysis on TES. Now you're their competition. I wouldn't take it too personally. Currently re-watching the oblivion and skyrim streams while I fuck around on Arena.
I know you've said it isn't your focus, but I always liked your research streams because they're a rare example of someone holding the "video essay" cottage industry to a standard. At the risk of playing therapist, I think the main objection people like SuperRAD and Strat have with these streams is simply that they're being criticised.
I think it's funny how these people hear one critical thing in a stream once and carry a grudge over it for years and years. I can't imagine seething about this kind of stuff for this long. UA-camrs really do tend to act like children.
I found out after releasing this video that it was the post-COVID stream too. If it was any other night I would've given a less-blunt answer. I honestly think part of the reason people hold such massive grudges in this space is the 'anti-drama' sentiment. Fighting with people is how you start but also resolve conflicts. If you refuse to ever interact with people you don't like, you are never going to move past things that happened to you. It was clearly bothering him. If he ever actually set aside his ego and just asked me about it, I probably would've explained that I intended to do everything, his new video was still too new (I did videos of a comparable age later but not his because of his tantrum), and that I shouldn't have done that stream that night since I was irritable from being sick.
@@PlebTV Yeah, that makes sense. It still always strikes me as odd the way people take criticisms of their work or something that said as being personal attacks, but that's just how it is. I wonder how many one-sided enemies you've made off of those work streams. It feels like every time this comes up a couple new ones come out of the woodwork. Looking forward to the WoW video.
Same, to much work for me to go back and install a good chunk of mods only to play the game for 10 hours and then stop again, so like once a year I'll watch portions of Pats video on it to get my fix in.
@@PlebTV SuperRAD situation is insane - Huge SuperRAD drama - SuperRAD is finished - etc You should just do it; go full sloptuber. I mean, why not? Apparently its just leaving free money on the table.
> Be Strat-Edgy > Say you don't get involved in YT drama > Also take the opportunity to slag off another youtuber in the same post in which you claim this I like this video; i hope you make more of these quick micro-arguments, as it's interesting to hear your perspective on these common talking points. That being said, I don't see why this has become such a large issuez as it seems relatively clear cut to me. If someone says something, it is entirely within your right to disagree with them. I think that right extends to content they produce as well. If this were a discussion of a film critique, nobody would questoon you for not asking for the director/writer's permission before critisising their work. Stating that this should be the case for YT videos is a double standard, and a really stupid one at that. YT videos have become such a common point of our lives,and the lives of kids growing up. It seems clear to me that, if someone is out there making retarded takes, and/or spreading misinformation (be it from malicious intent or ignorance), that we have a responsibility to discuss that, and hopefully improve the collective understanding of a community. Maybe it doesn't seem imperative, because these are just videos on video games, but there are plenty of YT videos on much more important subjects, like science and maths; if someone spreads misinformation about those subjects on YT, do we needto ask their permission before we tell people they are wring. Furthermore, as much influence as youtuber can have, they are also private individuals. If youtubers don't have the right to discuss and critique the work of others, does that opression extend to commenters? Where do you draw the line? Ultimately, critiquing and discussing the arguments of others falls under free speech. The only time reaction content is unethical (in my opinion) is when the reaction fails to be significantly transformative. What "significant" means exactly, is up for debate, but at this point in time, most examples are pretty clear cut.
Also not sure why people are so upset at Pat's involvement in this "drama". This is super tame and has mostly been propagated by people taking pot-shots at Pat. This is basically just the YT version of office politics.
@scottycheesecake Tbh, it's what the human race has been for a long time. In all honesty, I think things have been getting better recently, especially with the rise of EFAP, Joeseph Anderson, and such. Obviously there will always be people who are willfully blind to things, but on the whole, on think people have started to think more critically about what they consume, especially after Mauler's reviews on TLJ.
IF youtube would make it so reacting to other people's content automatically awards any monetization gained to the original uploader, watch the react meta cease to exist within 2 days.
But why would they do that, and why would that be a good thing if they did? Stealing content is a problem, reacting and transforming the content-isn’t.
A decent compromise would be to come up with a built in watchtogeter, and give both the reaction and original a view and watch time. Or, if you want to get complicated, have something on the back end that doesn't give a view to the reaction stream unless you pause X times per minute, and watch every second of the video.
I remember his FNV video had two good moments. One where he dissects Caesar's character and when he does the same to Joshua Graham. Because he actually has insightful things to say about them, and the game, as opposed to just recapping the story of FNV. But 90% of that 7+ hour video is just him recapping FNV. The good thing is that he isn't as bad as Salt Factory, as Super Rad recaps the story with less stupidity than Salt Factory
Might be in a huge minotity here but i usually watch reacts to stuff i already watched as a means to experience first time watching vicariously And sadly i don't think there's people crazy enough to do reacts to them long-form retrospectives, outside of maybe doing a "funi haha 10hr vid reaction lets go gamers" bit and then it would be more of an act of oneupmanship on fellow reacters rather than some genuine react piece
Like most disagreements in the modern so-called-discourse, you here have a clear case of disagreement on the basic fundamental facts of reality and can probably thank post-modernism and the french revolution for it. What I mean is, SuperRad, Strat-Edgy and many, many other content creators on YT and elsewhere postulate that their content is essentially an artpiece - as opposed to an analysis/study you take it to be, like a scientific paper, to be quoted, re-analysed and reitterated. From that artpiece perspective, any derivation is "colored by" the original, thus, borders on plagiarism. From a study perspective, that take would appear nonsensical.
I understand your perspective of wanting to protect the ability to critique and analyze works. I dont think you should ever HAVE to ask for permission to give transformative reaction/critique to any work that has been posted publicly, however, I think there is a difference between a product made by a corporation/group vs one made by an individual in terms of how one might react to such a request. If an individual made such a request, even if their reason is just it hurts their feelings or whatever, I dont see the harm in just accommodating them. If they want to exist in an echo chamber free of negative feedback, thats their choice. They can censor their comments or turn them off, ask people not to react to their videos etc. I've seen many reactors just say fine whatever and move on to react to something else if a certain creator expresses they dont want their content used for reaction streams. There are so many videogame retrospective channels out there you can spend your time reacting to. Not reacting to SuperRAD isnt gonna harm your channel. You can still watch his videos and incorporate your critiques into your long form content if you want. Or someone could be totally fine with posting their work publicly to be viewed, but may not like the idea of that work being picked apart/critiqued in a public forum. I think that your mentions of other peoples videos in your long form stuff is usually pretty professional/respectful, but sometimes your off the cuff live stream stuff seems to veer into territory that feels less productive and more mean spirited. Especially when you factor in chat. Personally I can imagine that wouldnt be the most enjoyable thing to watch as the creator. I still maintain that if you post your videos publicly you have to recognize that not everyone is going to like it and they arent obligated to hold back their thoughts to spare your feelings, but I guess i dont find the request to just not react to videos on stream all that insane. Youre free to ignore his request, but I dont think its a crazy one to make. I feel its important to maintain the distinction between HAVING to ask for permission or honor a request not to react vs choosing to do so because its not an imposition.
I'll put it this way: I can never make it more than 10 minutes into a Salt Factory video. I like to rewatch your Salt Factory Skyrim stream, and actively wish you would do more streams of watching his videos. I want you to share your experince of his Morrowind video with us.
You know i vaguely recall Strat-Edgy using some cringey tortured analogy involving a girlfriend as well. Is this how the lines were drawn? Did superRAD do this as well?
I enjoyed this 'format' for the lack of a better word. I think I'd love to hear similar squibs of thought about other gaming topics that I think you and Private Sessions enjoy talking about, especially those that are more on the business side than the gaming side of things. Some suggestions that popped off the top of my mind that I think you would be interested in: - Sony's and Bungie's GaaSy Nightmare Marriage and why is no one talking about Jim Ryan like they do Dom Mattrick - Speaking of nightmare marriage, do you think in a decade people will talk about the Xbox/Activision merger as Phil Spencer's doomed folly - Nintendo and their approach to 'content creators' and vice versa - Nintendo and their strangely extremely efficient pipeline (look at their gross revenue per employee, its insane), especially compared to hideous inefficient corporations like ubisoft (again, go look at that metric lol)
I am going to make what I enjoy making. This took no effort to produce and is not on the main channel. It's also almost entirely a serious discussion of the topic and a small part is "drama". I'm not going to cater to your sensibilities about "serious" content. That's fucking cringe. All of my content is a joke produced by a clown to entertain people. Literally none of it is serious. I make long videos about video games, not war documentaries.
A lot of people seem pretty focused on the SuperRAD thing, although I haven't even heard of him until now. Either way I think this was a pretty good clarification on reaction content, and the the connection between covering a video transformatively and covering a game transformatively isn't one I considered; it confuses me how anyone who makes a living off of this would have a problem with the concept of your streams. If these are going to to be videos you do occasionally, I'd be interested in a dedicated video on the Stop Killing Games, if you think you can get one out of it.
Actually that was one of my ideas: discussing how software does physically exist and should have the same rules of ownership as any other tangible product.
I’ve always seen reaction as an iffy subject. I personally have the belief that in general the majority of it is exploitative with the more modern react streamers like Xqc, Hasan and Asmongold. The reaction content that these guys make are the same type of content that Jynx made and has heavily criticised for doing. However, I do believe that it is possible to do reaction content in a transformative way with EFAP being the closest I’ve seen from a rather sizeable community. Although I don’t think it is the best or most transformative approach to reaction content. I would find it interesting to say a rather large court case concerning reaction content for a more concrete legal framework for transformative content. I believe that this would be a benefit for UA-camrs as it helps people who believe their work is being stolen and help creators avoid false strikes by a certain degree and people abusing the system. Ultimately I believe a court case would most likely never happen as if a streamer like Hasan would get a video or stream copyright striked, I doubt they would want to risk the current state of reaction content being changed. UA-cam really needs to implement some tools to at least help the original creators of the content that is being reacted to. It could be as simple as a forced revenue split or some sort of warning before the video to push the viewer to go watch the original video before watching the reaction that can work like an ad that can be skipped.
I wanted to write a comment about something, but then I thought that it would look like I criticize someone, and then there would be all this "hate mob" situation again, and content creators having such fragile egos starting to criticize Pat for inciting hatred towards them... So, in the current youtube era is it better to speak your mind and be labeled hater, or just keep silent to not rock the boat more?
When people don't want to settle beef they'll always have some kind of tactic they'll use so I don't think it's worth worrying about. I think other than the NKB-video endorsement part I don't think they have any case to say that this video isn't me being fairly civil in discussing this topic.
Did SuperRad ask perimision from game developers to make videos on their games ? Nope, then why does he expect people to do same with his videos ? As long it is transformative it is game simple as that.
I think he can tell you appreciate life. Just hearing his depressed voice attempt to critique the work of the living. He's like a depressed child. Tear him up idc
It’s ok with permission but this is his job Instead of reacting to his tweets let people actually read his tweets instead of some video of someone else reading them
I think most people can't really recognise "hate" and criticism against them, and like you mentioned somewhere before with your "dead pan voice". Different people react differently to it and it sucks most people can't see the value of just discussing things and viewing media in a different light. Nice to see you ramble a bit more other than the podcast keep it up !
Hoping you see this, and more than likely you know of it, but Would like to see an analysis of Enderal from you, given your praise of Morrowind and New Vegas ( even more so after your Skyrim videos )
It's not impossible I do some kind of notable mod round up at some point. I would probably start with Morrowind though and if that gets well received do Enderal. I make no promises until I release another main channel video
Its funny how many negative comments have just disappear, i assume the YT just removed the comments when they hit a threshold of N amount of dislikes, i dont know if its the right approach.
Obviously right? Reacting to other videos has never been the problem. What is the problem is just sitting there and not commenting on or analyzing the video.
I wish that fantasy software existed, it seems like a good idea. My only issue with something like that is: I download your streams from a third party website (so I can listen to them while working or traveling, and don't have the money for youtube premium) and often times I do not have internet to watch them from youtube directly. I can imagine it being annoying every time I have to download both your video and the other person's, load the second video up in the software (with the included instructions, if they were a line of code text, I'd need to make a document with every video labeled) and then play it instead of pressing/double clicking a video in my folders and having it work.
It would definitely make watching/listening to the VODs more annoying, especially on a mobile device. I'm not sure how you could reconcile that short of making a really complex app specifically for these types of stream, which is already a niche genre.
The irony of these self-styled "analysis" and "critique" channels folding like blades of grass when they get analyzed or criticized... Pat, I genuinely hope you will usher in a new generation and standard of critique on UA-cam and push these, as you so aptly put it, "book report videos" into obscurity or at least make them stop pretending they are actually saying something.
I do agree with the reaction stance to some extend, mainly because it's such a confusing topic and many factors that go into place that make the "react" content. I think if something is uploaded onto UA-cam is fair game, it's publicly available and anyone can watch it. There is also the monetary aspect of it like Hasan react to videos and essentially pulling future revenue from the original video. How you "react" to videos I think is good since it's mostly you covering almost every single aspect of a video and with your factor of watching the videos after some time. The biggest aspect I would say is that you really transform the video and still giving the viewer to watch the original video. With you pausing every frame and analysing everything you add more onto it and "ruin" the original, so anyone who would like to watch it would be better off watching it in it's entirety.
Pat: any chance you do the research streams for classic WoW or any other forthcoming long form project? Really miss the format and I've mined the VoDs for just about all they've got.
There is a massive guilt by association thing that occurs on youtube (I am sure it happens elsewhere) but the number of people who don't like, for example, you because you were on EFAP and they had someone else on EFAP another time therefore you share all thoughts, politics, and ethics of that person is just wild. There are people who have and do appear on EFAP I don't like either not my type of content or a don't agree with some of their views but I don't go tarring everyone else who has remotely been on that show with the same brush. It's like if someone interviewed a serial killer and therefore you are now also a serial killer.
im not sure why superRAD is so possessive of his videos when his views are not his own. once upon a time, he had his own views, which conflicted with the majority. then the world fans jumped down his throat, and he immediately walked back any disagreements he had and just started regurgitating whatever would please the masses. havent followed him recently, so maybe hes changed, but he was absolutely one of those people who doesnt ever give their real opinions and just tell his audience what they want to hear. so again, not sure why hes possessive of his videos.
His World takedowns are very based. When/where did he walk them back? It definitely seems like he’s become more conformist as time went on which is quite disappointing
Are superRAD and NKB actually relevant to the greater longform youtube scene? I understand they have their followings, but I thought they were pretty contained to their "feelings over facts" niche.
@@PlebTV I don’t think it would be entertaining enough for you or the community if you engaged in the yt drama more than you already do. Time spent thinking about dunking on someone is time wasted, when you could be creating something we find infinitely more entertaining. Analysis has replayability.
This video didn't take long to produce and is on a topic I've wanted to discuss for years and never had cause to. Which is why it's second channel content. If SuperRAD didn't have me blocked I'd just tell this to him directly and leave out the NKB stuff.
@@PlebTV if he didn’t have you blocked and you told him directly, he would have already made a video about it by now. Based on how he feels about reaction content, he strikes me as a petty individual. For your part in all this, you’ve said your peace and hopefully that’s where it ends. Like with NKB.
I doubt it. I think he's in the "toxic positivity" anti-drama crowd. He passive voice referenced me in his Oblivion video. And most of this isn't drama, it's just me disagreeing with him.
I really hope people who read this can pause for a second before jumping down my throat because this is a largely grey area and I really don’t know how I feel about it, but I definitely know how I feel about a specific point. I think the comparison of “you didn’t get permission to make a video of that game” is extremely disingenuous. A game and a piece of video media is completely different, and you absolutely are transforming the game a lot more than you could ever transform a video when you make a reaction video. The thing I always come back to is MST3K vs RiffTrax. When no one is left to make money off the movie, you get MST3K, when the movie is still owned by someone, all you get is the RiffTrax commentary and you have to provide the movie yourself. Obviously this format wouldn’t work for twitch, you can’t expect any random viewer dropping into the stream to be able to sync up with a video you’re reacting to unless you just streamed the UA-cam progress bar and video title, because no one would do that. I do want to highlight that I think your version of reaction content is undeniably far more ethical than others, like you said already you wait until the video has been out for a while and you also pause frequently for long enough periods of time that I personally can not follow the narrative of the original video via viewing it through you, unlike someone who loads up a video, turns on subtitles, and just talks over it. I think the best version of react content I’ve seen personally was from MadSeasonShow, but that’s prerecorded so not really a direct comparison to be made.
I would point out that Rifftrax has been providing the whole VOD and hasn't been 'only the commentary' tracks for a very long time now. Perhaps appropriately they finally called it quits around the umpteenth Transformers movie precisely because they felt they ran out of actual jokes regarding yet another Michael Bay robot movie (they still do standalones for special occasions or kickstarter stretch goals but VODs is their main product now). its also not true that there wasn't anyone to 'make money' off of the movies either MST3k or Rifftrax showcases; just the kaiju movie episodes alone are a continuing source of rights nightmares.
"It's one of the many reasons I don't watch videos on a topic I am about to start writing" That's... how all research is done? You don't just go in on a big topic and write potentially tens or hundreds of pages on it without understanding the bigger movements and general stances from other authors. Academia would kill that man Even for art critique as opposed to "harder" academic fields, you have to be aware of the greater art movement and the history of how a specific piece has been viewed over time. It's rather intellectually dishonest to *not* do research under some veiled pretense of being authentic to your ideas
SuperRAD became such a weirdo; ever since I saw how much he sperged out on people arguing against his weird takes on New Vegas politics (like he deems people that like Caesar's legion as shitty people) I knew he was going to be a whiner; like Christ dude, the original creator of the series and Jsawyer have said that it ain't that deep lmao, its just a video game.
Who's SuperRad? I got recommended his New Vegas video so I started watching yesterday and he seemed to have some interesting takes about politics. I just love New Vegas, man.
If you are interested, I think you and DarkViperAU could have a fruitful discussion about this topic. The ethics of reaction content was a focus on his channel for some time. P.S. I miss Dunmer-chan, please bring her back. T_T
I'm not sure I want to go to the effort to discuss it but if he wanted to give a take I would read it. If I remember, he was an anti-reaction absolutist, which included transformative reaction content.
@@PlebTVdepends on what you both would call transofrmative. To my knowledge he was pretty much in favor of old h3h3 style of reactions and iffy about efap's way of doing it. He has couple of videos covering the topic in detail, might wanna watch some of them instead
When the niche is making 12+ hour long videos it's inevitable that eventually somebody is gonna disagree with somebody. Ridiculous how thin-skinned people are.
@@zafelrede4884 Still, it doesn't change the fact that Reddit behavior gives pet owners a bad reputation. Being critical is not the same as hating everything.
Aint this the same guy who randomly take jab at Creetosis because he made a long video critic/debunk someone fallout vid Yea im sticking to Warlockracy for my weekly boomer RPG games dose
@@PlebTV Yea I don't remeber what vid but he just randomly take jab at Creeto saying something like being so mad at someone opinion they made an 8h long respond to it
I was going to write a long three paragraph comment about my thoughts on the topic but realise it won't change anyone's mind and it'll just make people angry and spiteful for disagreeing with a disagreement. I'll just add, transformation isn't just about what you add. It is about you leave in, if you leave the entire work in full of your transformative work- it is not protected as transformative. An 8 hour review of Star Wars where someone pauses the movie every minute to go on a five minute ramble is still not protected if they left the entire movie in frame for frame. This comment is mainly towards commenters here who don't understand what constitutes what transformative constitutes at least from a legal perspective. Ethics topics only make people angry and I'd rather not touch it.
That would be convenient but we still haven't gotten timed comments. Plus a third party service could work for other streaming sites or even private recordings.
@@PlebTV I wonder if people at UA-cam are paid by the hour because there are hundreds of free and easily implementable ideas floating on the internet it's not even funny
I think the feature team is probably swamped trying to make YT shorts competitive with TikTok. They've basically abandoned longform (which they consider over 3 minutes) for a while
You know what would be super cool? A function to label a video as a response to another video. Man that would be super cool, shame they haven't thought of it yet.
@@steveman9668 Isn't that why the description of the video is there? So you can link all the relevant sources and information there? Anyway, on that note, EFAP certainly don't link, they do say the channel name and video title before starting. I find that works well enough. And then there are situations where they can't cover a subject because the sources are spread across many videos (like the Darth Boogie saga) and so MauLer has the unlisted compilation videos which they use on stream to provide the material to react to and to create context.
Hbomberguy's video, while doing a lot of good, has definitely opened the door for a lot of people to scream "PLAGIARIST" purely because you took a little piece out of context, and postured that the whole video MUST be plagiarised. When, in truth, that's just how people create stuff. We've always developed language and writing by exposing ourselves to what's out there. If you copy from one source, it IS plagiarism, but if you're taking bits and pieces from hundreds, if not thousands of places (books you've read, the way your parents talked, shows you've watched) which define your internal writing voice, then that's not Plagirism This obviously doesn't need saying. I merely comment for the will of the Algorithm Gods
I mean it's worth saying because it's relevant and true. People were WAY too quick to jump the gun on the plagiarism accusations based on nothing more than "there's a lot so it'd be easy to hide!" Funnily enough, I get told constantly that I should look into SuperRAD's Oblivion video for cases of him plagiarizing the UESP. But nobody has ever sent me anything concrete so I don't treat this as a credible accusation. I thought about mentioning the whole "please credit me" thing he said. I think if it's a transformative reaction stream, getting credited is kind of inevitable. It's really hard for people to not know what you are reacting too.
@@PlebTV I remember you mentioned in your Oblivion review that sort of takedown vid would be both mean spirited and not all that fun to watch, but due to the overwhelming success of Hbomberguy especially, people are somewhat expecting it? The NeverKnowsBest review was a fun jab at the guy, but I don't think it's a genre of video you would want to get known for. Commentary Channel PatricianTV is a frightening prospect. You'd have to give your avatar the MoistCritical hair
longform videos are definitely the chicken nuggets of videos, I can see some youtubers being uncomfortable having the sausage making process exposed. But I actually think this was over a shorter video he made.
I consider reaction videos and streams low effort content, and prefer your analysis videos, which are more in depth. The youtuber drama arc you've been having with SaltFactory, SuperRAD and some others is pretty boring, honestly.
@@zyrkugilgamesh you are on his second channel complaining about tertiary content. Hit that unsubscribe button, unfollow his Xitter, and you will never has this issue again.
Other than one part towards the end, this isn't a drama video. It's literally just me disagreeing with someone and is only considered drama because said someone dislikes me. Also this took like 2 hours to make and is on the second channel so chill with the slop allegations I'm already back to making "real" videos.
But we like the delicous nutritious slop!
I have watched (listened) to your videos so many time it's embarassing. I don't agree with all your takes, but when i check out some other ''retrospectives'' it's just shocking how lazy most of them are.
It is remarkable how there is always so much drama between channels that discuss Bethesda's IP.
While attempting to avoid the drama but still addressing it, Strat-Edgy appears to be losing his "edge". During the drama over Starfield being considered objectively bad, he seemed to be "suffering" greatly from you watching his videos and streams. According to him, having you watch his content was "disturbing" and "weird."
Additionally, SuperRAD's shilling of Bethesda and Amazon and seek to become a pseudo-breadtuber began to make me lose interest in his content. If he begins flagging other channels, it's over.
It's because nobody really talks to each other. So they just carry grudges about streams I did years prior.
They should call him "Safe Strat-Edgy" because
he shows low risk strategies that are guaranteed to work. Why else would someone be called that.
@@mrultima9466 Indeed. He's been making a lot of videos, as if he's in a hurry or afraid someone will make one before him.
And by coincidence none of them are really good. He lost what made his channel unique, it's becoming more and more generic and safe.
@PlebTV that and this is your guy's jobs. Now you're some new bloke coming along doing what a lot of them have been doing them for years. And imo you're blowing them out of the water, for years I was looking for a channel that does actual analysis on TES. Now you're their competition. I wouldn't take it too personally. Currently re-watching the oblivion and skyrim streams while I fuck around on Arena.
@@AnonymousAnonposter when/where did strat edgey productions say this about patrian?
Cant wait for pat to revive internet bloodsports, get put on the no fly list to Israel, then tank his career and obtain several substance addictions.
dont forget the reveal of some awful sexual deviancy
given how the community surrounding Bethesda is, this is not impossible, drama and doxing has been going on for a few years now
Moar Moar Bring me Moar!
Alright adding "Patrician becomes the next Ethan Ralph" to next year's bingo card.
@@Juggling_necromancer somebody grab the overlap of sexual subreddits and bethesda subreddits again
I know you've said it isn't your focus, but I always liked your research streams because they're a rare example of someone holding the "video essay" cottage industry to a standard. At the risk of playing therapist, I think the main objection people like SuperRAD and Strat have with these streams is simply that they're being criticised.
I think it's funny how these people hear one critical thing in a stream once and carry a grudge over it for years and years. I can't imagine seething about this kind of stuff for this long. UA-camrs really do tend to act like children.
I found out after releasing this video that it was the post-COVID stream too. If it was any other night I would've given a less-blunt answer.
I honestly think part of the reason people hold such massive grudges in this space is the 'anti-drama' sentiment. Fighting with people is how you start but also resolve conflicts. If you refuse to ever interact with people you don't like, you are never going to move past things that happened to you.
It was clearly bothering him. If he ever actually set aside his ego and just asked me about it, I probably would've explained that I intended to do everything, his new video was still too new (I did videos of a comparable age later but not his because of his tantrum), and that I shouldn't have done that stream that night since I was irritable from being sick.
@@PlebTV Yeah, that makes sense. It still always strikes me as odd the way people take criticisms of their work or something that said as being personal attacks, but that's just how it is. I wonder how many one-sided enemies you've made off of those work streams. It feels like every time this comes up a couple new ones come out of the woodwork. Looking forward to the WoW video.
commentary channel pat? more likely than you think
The Morrowind video fills my void for playing Morrowind
Same, to much work for me to go back and install a good chunk of mods only to play the game for 10 hours and then stop again, so like once a year I'll watch portions of Pats video on it to get my fix in.
SuperRAD situation is crazy
I thought about titling it that
@@PlebTV SuperRAD situation is insane - Huge SuperRAD drama - SuperRAD is finished - etc
You should just do it; go full sloptuber. I mean, why not? Apparently its just leaving free money on the table.
> Be Strat-Edgy
> Say you don't get involved in YT drama
> Also take the opportunity to slag off another youtuber in the same post in which you claim this
I like this video; i hope you make more of these quick micro-arguments, as it's interesting to hear your perspective on these common talking points. That being said, I don't see why this has become such a large issuez as it seems relatively clear cut to me.
If someone says something, it is entirely within your right to disagree with them. I think that right extends to content they produce as well. If this were a discussion of a film critique, nobody would questoon you for not asking for the director/writer's permission before critisising their work. Stating that this should be the case for YT videos is a double standard, and a really stupid one at that.
YT videos have become such a common point of our lives,and the lives of kids growing up. It seems clear to me that, if someone is out there making retarded takes, and/or spreading misinformation (be it from malicious intent or ignorance), that we have a responsibility to discuss that, and hopefully improve the collective understanding of a community. Maybe it doesn't seem imperative, because these are just videos on video games, but there are plenty of YT videos on much more important subjects, like science and maths; if someone spreads misinformation about those subjects on YT, do we needto ask their permission before we tell people they are wring.
Furthermore, as much influence as youtuber can have, they are also private individuals. If youtubers don't have the right to discuss and critique the work of others, does that opression extend to commenters? Where do you draw the line?
Ultimately, critiquing and discussing the arguments of others falls under free speech. The only time reaction content is unethical (in my opinion) is when the reaction fails to be significantly transformative. What "significant" means exactly, is up for debate, but at this point in time, most examples are pretty clear cut.
Also not sure why people are so upset at Pat's involvement in this "drama". This is super tame and has mostly been propagated by people taking pot-shots at Pat. This is basically just the YT version of office politics.
@@immenseangloid4168 They don't like his opinions so they don't like him. This is what we've become.
@scottycheesecake Tbh, it's what the human race has been for a long time. In all honesty, I think things have been getting better recently, especially with the rise of EFAP, Joeseph Anderson, and such. Obviously there will always be people who are willfully blind to things, but on the whole, on think people have started to think more critically about what they consume, especially after Mauler's reviews on TLJ.
IF youtube would make it so reacting to other people's content automatically awards any monetization gained to the original uploader, watch the react meta cease to exist within 2 days.
But why would they do that, and why would that be a good thing if they did? Stealing content is a problem, reacting and transforming the content-isn’t.
A decent compromise would be to come up with a built in watchtogeter, and give both the reaction and original a view and watch time. Or, if you want to get complicated, have something on the back end that doesn't give a view to the reaction stream unless you pause X times per minute, and watch every second of the video.
Used to be somewhat like that
Back in the olden times you could tag your upload as a video response and then they'd be suggested together to watchers
@@riccardo1796 yeah, but then youtube started considering it "bullying"
Didn't SuperRAD compare Caesar's Legion to Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson in his Fallout NV video? lmao
Yes, political brainrot at it's finest
clean your room = tribal warlordism
He also basically made Oblivion about the poor rising up against the rich and powerful because he hates capitalism or whatever.
Literally when
I remember his FNV video had two good moments. One where he dissects Caesar's character and when he does the same to Joshua Graham.
Because he actually has insightful things to say about them, and the game, as opposed to just recapping the story of FNV.
But 90% of that 7+ hour video is just him recapping FNV. The good thing is that he isn't as bad as Salt Factory, as Super Rad recaps the story with less stupidity than Salt Factory
Might be in a huge minotity here but i usually watch reacts to stuff i already watched as a means to experience first time watching vicariously
And sadly i don't think there's people crazy enough to do reacts to them long-form retrospectives, outside of maybe doing a "funi haha 10hr vid reaction lets go gamers" bit and then it would be more of an act of oneupmanship on fellow reacters rather than some genuine react piece
Wait, the neverknowsbest Efap was 7 months ago? Wth, feels like 2, 3 at most.
If you can believe it, I still can't, another year in the history of EFAP has come to an end... All hail the toxic brood
Time accelerates. You cannot go back.
Start digging the grave now, dude. It’s already over.
I went from your Crossfit Jesus tweet to this, definitely a change in tone. It's good to have a reprieve from laughing so hard. 😂
Like most disagreements in the modern so-called-discourse, you here have a clear case of disagreement on the basic fundamental facts of reality and can probably thank post-modernism and the french revolution for it.
What I mean is, SuperRad, Strat-Edgy and many, many other content creators on YT and elsewhere postulate that their content is essentially an artpiece - as opposed to an analysis/study you take it to be, like a scientific paper, to be quoted, re-analysed and reitterated. From that artpiece perspective, any derivation is "colored by" the original, thus, borders on plagiarism. From a study perspective, that take would appear nonsensical.
Derrida and Foucault are post empire, not napoleonic lol.
@@bobaloo20 they are but grandchildren of the cult of reason.
I understand your perspective of wanting to protect the ability to critique and analyze works. I dont think you should ever HAVE to ask for permission to give transformative reaction/critique to any work that has been posted publicly, however, I think there is a difference between a product made by a corporation/group vs one made by an individual in terms of how one might react to such a request.
If an individual made such a request, even if their reason is just it hurts their feelings or whatever, I dont see the harm in just accommodating them. If they want to exist in an echo chamber free of negative feedback, thats their choice. They can censor their comments or turn them off, ask people not to react to their videos etc. I've seen many reactors just say fine whatever and move on to react to something else if a certain creator expresses they dont want their content used for reaction streams. There are so many videogame retrospective channels out there you can spend your time reacting to. Not reacting to SuperRAD isnt gonna harm your channel. You can still watch his videos and incorporate your critiques into your long form content if you want.
Or someone could be totally fine with posting their work publicly to be viewed, but may not like the idea of that work being picked apart/critiqued in a public forum. I think that your mentions of other peoples videos in your long form stuff is usually pretty professional/respectful, but sometimes your off the cuff live stream stuff seems to veer into territory that feels less productive and more mean spirited. Especially when you factor in chat. Personally I can imagine that wouldnt be the most enjoyable thing to watch as the creator.
I still maintain that if you post your videos publicly you have to recognize that not everyone is going to like it and they arent obligated to hold back their thoughts to spare your feelings, but I guess i dont find the request to just not react to videos on stream all that insane. Youre free to ignore his request, but I dont think its a crazy one to make. I feel its important to maintain the distinction between HAVING to ask for permission or honor a request not to react vs choosing to do so because its not an imposition.
God i miss them elven vtuber waifus
Grats on being named efaps favorite new guest this year btw, and yeah always amazing how much drama exists in this space that doesn't seem to need to.
I'll put it this way:
I can never make it more than 10 minutes into a Salt Factory video.
I like to rewatch your Salt Factory Skyrim stream, and actively wish you would do more streams of watching his videos. I want you to share your experince of his Morrowind video with us.
You know i vaguely recall Strat-Edgy using some cringey tortured analogy involving a girlfriend as well. Is this how the lines were drawn? Did superRAD do this as well?
He does it regularly
First you plagiarize NKB and now you're a content thief, shame on you. I'm telling your ex-husband about this
When the hell did they get divorced? That wasn’t on the bingo card at all.
I enjoyed this 'format' for the lack of a better word. I think I'd love to hear similar squibs of thought about other gaming topics that I think you and Private Sessions enjoy talking about, especially those that are more on the business side than the gaming side of things. Some suggestions that popped off the top of my mind that I think you would be interested in:
- Sony's and Bungie's GaaSy Nightmare Marriage and why is no one talking about Jim Ryan like they do Dom Mattrick
- Speaking of nightmare marriage, do you think in a decade people will talk about the Xbox/Activision merger as Phil Spencer's doomed folly
- Nintendo and their approach to 'content creators' and vice versa
- Nintendo and their strangely extremely efficient pipeline (look at their gross revenue per employee, its insane), especially compared to hideous inefficient corporations like ubisoft (again, go look at that metric lol)
Rad was never worth much, but Strat-edgy is a disappointment, anyway BoulderPunch was always more "edgy" and creative than him
What did strat-edgy do this time?
Ah yes, the beginning of the SuperRAD drama
Beginning? The Skyrim dragons stream was about his take and he's mentioned in the Starfield video. It's been on-going for like 3 years.
@@PlebTV Man, just ignore it, who cares?
I care because I want to know the reasons why people decide to go from liking my work to hating me personally.
@@PlebTV Sure dude, truly a shame you're making videos about this, I really enjoyed your serious content
I am going to make what I enjoy making. This took no effort to produce and is not on the main channel. It's also almost entirely a serious discussion of the topic and a small part is "drama".
I'm not going to cater to your sensibilities about "serious" content. That's fucking cringe. All of my content is a joke produced by a clown to entertain people. Literally none of it is serious. I make long videos about video games, not war documentaries.
3:51 everywhere I go that damn cat haunts me
A lot of people seem pretty focused on the SuperRAD thing, although I haven't even heard of him until now. Either way I think this was a pretty good clarification on reaction content, and the the connection between covering a video transformatively and covering a game transformatively isn't one I considered; it confuses me how anyone who makes a living off of this would have a problem with the concept of your streams.
If these are going to to be videos you do occasionally, I'd be interested in a dedicated video on the Stop Killing Games, if you think you can get one out of it.
Actually that was one of my ideas: discussing how software does physically exist and should have the same rules of ownership as any other tangible product.
Oh, I didn't realize you had another channel. Now that's a surprise.
SuperRad? More like SuperSAD 🎉
11:15 wonderfully said
I’ve always seen reaction as an iffy subject. I personally have the belief that in general the majority of it is exploitative with the more modern react streamers like Xqc, Hasan and Asmongold. The reaction content that these guys make are the same type of content that Jynx made and has heavily criticised for doing. However, I do believe that it is possible to do reaction content in a transformative way with EFAP being the closest I’ve seen from a rather sizeable community. Although I don’t think it is the best or most transformative approach to reaction content. I would find it interesting to say a rather large court case concerning reaction content for a more concrete legal framework for transformative content. I believe that this would be a benefit for UA-camrs as it helps people who believe their work is being stolen and help creators avoid false strikes by a certain degree and people abusing the system. Ultimately I believe a court case would most likely never happen as if a streamer like Hasan would get a video or stream copyright striked, I doubt they would want to risk the current state of reaction content being changed. UA-cam really needs to implement some tools to at least help the original creators of the content that is being reacted to. It could be as simple as a forced revenue split or some sort of warning before the video to push the viewer to go watch the original video before watching the reaction that can work like an ad that can be skipped.
I tried watching superRADs vid on New Vegas. Way too many bad takes i couldn't finish it.
I wanted to write a comment about something, but then I thought that it would look like I criticize someone, and then there would be all this "hate mob" situation again, and content creators having such fragile egos starting to criticize Pat for inciting hatred towards them... So, in the current youtube era is it better to speak your mind and be labeled hater, or just keep silent to not rock the boat more?
When people don't want to settle beef they'll always have some kind of tactic they'll use so I don't think it's worth worrying about. I think other than the NKB-video endorsement part I don't think they have any case to say that this video isn't me being fairly civil in discussing this topic.
I really want someone to make a full compendium of superrad being dumb so I can just link that whenever I say I don't like him and people ask why
Did SuperRad ask perimision from game developers to make videos on their games ? Nope, then why does he expect people to do same with his videos ? As long it is transformative it is game simple as that.
I think he can tell you appreciate life. Just hearing his depressed voice attempt to critique the work of the living. He's like a depressed child. Tear him up idc
It’s ok with permission but this is his job Instead of reacting to his tweets let people actually read his tweets instead of some video of someone else reading them
I think most people can't really recognise "hate" and criticism against them, and like you mentioned somewhere before with your "dead pan voice". Different people react differently to it and it sucks most people can't see the value of just discussing things and viewing media in a different light. Nice to see you ramble a bit more other than the podcast keep it up !
Hoping you see this, and more than likely you know of it, but Would like to see an analysis of Enderal from you, given your praise of Morrowind and New Vegas ( even more so after your Skyrim videos )
It's not impossible I do some kind of notable mod round up at some point. I would probably start with Morrowind though and if that gets well received do Enderal. I make no promises until I release another main channel video
@@PlebTV Have you played Enderal before?
Its funny how many negative comments have just disappear, i assume the YT just removed the comments when they hit a threshold of N amount of dislikes, i dont know if its the right approach.
hmmm i think ill watch the morrowind review again...
Obviously right? Reacting to other videos has never been the problem. What is the problem is just sitting there and not commenting on or analyzing the video.
I wish that fantasy software existed, it seems like a good idea. My only issue with something like that is: I download your streams from a third party website (so I can listen to them while working or traveling, and don't have the money for youtube premium) and often times I do not have internet to watch them from youtube directly. I can imagine it being annoying every time I have to download both your video and the other person's, load the second video up in the software (with the included instructions, if they were a line of code text, I'd need to make a document with every video labeled) and then play it instead of pressing/double clicking a video in my folders and having it work.
It would definitely make watching/listening to the VODs more annoying, especially on a mobile device. I'm not sure how you could reconcile that short of making a really complex app specifically for these types of stream, which is already a niche genre.
🤣 I've never heard of SuperRad and if he watched during the skyrim streams he's been lost in the soup of all those other mid videos
you should start a sub-stack for written content you want to make
The irony of these self-styled "analysis" and "critique" channels folding like blades of grass when they get analyzed or criticized... Pat, I genuinely hope you will usher in a new generation and standard of critique on UA-cam and push these, as you so aptly put it, "book report videos" into obscurity or at least make them stop pretending they are actually saying something.
I do agree with the reaction stance to some extend, mainly because it's such a confusing topic and many factors that go into place that make the "react" content. I think if something is uploaded onto UA-cam is fair game, it's publicly available and anyone can watch it. There is also the monetary aspect of it like Hasan react to videos and essentially pulling future revenue from the original video. How you "react" to videos I think is good since it's mostly you covering almost every single aspect of a video and with your factor of watching the videos after some time. The biggest aspect I would say is that you really transform the video and still giving the viewer to watch the original video. With you pausing every frame and analysing everything you add more onto it and "ruin" the original, so anyone who would like to watch it would be better off watching it in it's entirety.
Get well, Pat
I forgot how or why. I subscribed to this channel
I purchased it from the previous owner for 40k reals.
@@PlebTV thats not how you pluralize it lol
I thought you guys got banned
Pat: any chance you do the research streams for classic WoW or any other forthcoming long form project? Really miss the format and I've mined the VoDs for just about all they've got.
They'll be back on the next project after WoW
There is a massive guilt by association thing that occurs on youtube (I am sure it happens elsewhere) but the number of people who don't like, for example, you because you were on EFAP and they had someone else on EFAP another time therefore you share all thoughts, politics, and ethics of that person is just wild.
There are people who have and do appear on EFAP I don't like either not my type of content or a don't agree with some of their views but I don't go tarring everyone else who has remotely been on that show with the same brush.
It's like if someone interviewed a serial killer and therefore you are now also a serial killer.
SuperRad does not know what a transformative work is😊😂
im not sure why superRAD is so possessive of his videos when his views are not his own. once upon a time, he had his own views, which conflicted with the majority. then the world fans jumped down his throat, and he immediately walked back any disagreements he had and just started regurgitating whatever would please the masses. havent followed him recently, so maybe hes changed, but he was absolutely one of those people who doesnt ever give their real opinions and just tell his audience what they want to hear. so again, not sure why hes possessive of his videos.
Probably because he's in the big leagues as a Capcom influencer now.
His World takedowns are very based. When/where did he walk them back?
It definitely seems like he’s become more conformist as time went on which is quite disappointing
My snout descends
Are superRAD and NKB actually relevant to the greater longform youtube scene? I understand they have their followings, but I thought they were pretty contained to their "feelings over facts" niche.
You obviously don’t hate these creators.
As they say, hate is a strong word. I at best harbor an actual grudge against one person. Most of the youtubers I hate don't know I exist.
@@PlebTV I don’t think it would be entertaining enough for you or the community if you engaged in the yt drama more than you already do. Time spent thinking about dunking on someone is time wasted, when you could be creating something we find infinitely more entertaining. Analysis has replayability.
This video didn't take long to produce and is on a topic I've wanted to discuss for years and never had cause to. Which is why it's second channel content.
If SuperRAD didn't have me blocked I'd just tell this to him directly and leave out the NKB stuff.
@@PlebTV if he didn’t have you blocked and you told him directly, he would have already made a video about it by now. Based on how he feels about reaction content, he strikes me as a petty individual. For your part in all this, you’ve said your peace and hopefully that’s where it ends. Like with NKB.
I doubt it. I think he's in the "toxic positivity" anti-drama crowd. He passive voice referenced me in his Oblivion video. And most of this isn't drama, it's just me disagreeing with him.
I really hope people who read this can pause for a second before jumping down my throat because this is a largely grey area and I really don’t know how I feel about it, but I definitely know how I feel about a specific point. I think the comparison of “you didn’t get permission to make a video of that game” is extremely disingenuous. A game and a piece of video media is completely different, and you absolutely are transforming the game a lot more than you could ever transform a video when you make a reaction video. The thing I always come back to is MST3K vs RiffTrax. When no one is left to make money off the movie, you get MST3K, when the movie is still owned by someone, all you get is the RiffTrax commentary and you have to provide the movie yourself. Obviously this format wouldn’t work for twitch, you can’t expect any random viewer dropping into the stream to be able to sync up with a video you’re reacting to unless you just streamed the UA-cam progress bar and video title, because no one would do that. I do want to highlight that I think your version of reaction content is undeniably far more ethical than others, like you said already you wait until the video has been out for a while and you also pause frequently for long enough periods of time that I personally can not follow the narrative of the original video via viewing it through you, unlike someone who loads up a video, turns on subtitles, and just talks over it. I think the best version of react content I’ve seen personally was from MadSeasonShow, but that’s prerecorded so not really a direct comparison to be made.
I would point out that Rifftrax has been providing the whole VOD and hasn't been 'only the commentary' tracks for a very long time now. Perhaps appropriately they finally called it quits around the umpteenth Transformers movie precisely because they felt they ran out of actual jokes regarding yet another Michael Bay robot movie (they still do standalones for special occasions or kickstarter stretch goals but VODs is their main product now). its also not true that there wasn't anyone to 'make money' off of the movies either MST3k or Rifftrax showcases; just the kaiju movie episodes alone are a continuing source of rights nightmares.
Have you been continuing to talk to the EFAP crew? You were voted best new guest on their anniversary.
"It's one of the many reasons I don't watch videos on a topic I am about to start writing"
That's... how all research is done? You don't just go in on a big topic and write potentially tens or hundreds of pages on it without understanding the bigger movements and general stances from other authors. Academia would kill that man
Even for art critique as opposed to "harder" academic fields, you have to be aware of the greater art movement and the history of how a specific piece has been viewed over time. It's rather intellectually dishonest to *not* do research under some veiled pretense of being authentic to your ideas
I really like Strat's videos, so it's kind of a shame that he has such an L take on this imo.
superrad is the great value brand of deep dive videos, his kotor video is literal cringe and he doesnt need to make any more videos.
SuperRAD became such a weirdo; ever since I saw how much he sperged out on people arguing against his weird takes on New Vegas politics (like he deems people that like Caesar's legion as shitty people) I knew he was going to be a whiner; like Christ dude, the original creator of the series and Jsawyer have said that it ain't that deep lmao, its just a video game.
Who's SuperRad? I got recommended his New Vegas video so I started watching yesterday and he seemed to have some interesting takes about politics. I just love New Vegas, man.
SuperRad? Isn't he one of these toxic positivity guys who wants a Dark Souls easy mode?
If you are interested, I think you and DarkViperAU could have a fruitful discussion about this topic. The ethics of reaction content was a focus on his channel for some time.
P.S. I miss Dunmer-chan, please bring her back. T_T
I'm not sure I want to go to the effort to discuss it but if he wanted to give a take I would read it.
If I remember, he was an anti-reaction absolutist, which included transformative reaction content.
DarkviperAU is just a know it all dick..
@@PlebTVdepends on what you both would call transofrmative. To my knowledge he was pretty much in favor of old h3h3 style of reactions and iffy about efap's way of doing it. He has couple of videos covering the topic in detail, might wanna watch some of them instead
SuperBAD.
"I describe things in my retrospectives, nobody cares about actual analysis" type of guy.
This is not his quote, btw.
Pretty much, and also insert his shit takes and views.
When the niche is making 12+ hour long videos it's inevitable that eventually somebody is gonna disagree with somebody. Ridiculous how thin-skinned people are.
not my favorite sloptuber
You should make a channel called "I Hate Everything" where you just rant about stuff
Super original doggy profile pic is a hecking comfy consoomer.
@@AnonymousAnonposter I've had this profile pic for like 10 years
I hate mars bars
@@zafelrede4884 Still, it doesn't change the fact that Reddit behavior gives pet owners a bad reputation.
Being critical is not the same as hating everything.
@@AnonymousAnonposter It was not a knock against pat lol. And what do i care about Reddit?
Aint this the same guy who randomly take jab at Creetosis because he made a long video critic/debunk someone fallout vid
Yea im sticking to Warlockracy for my weekly boomer RPG games dose
I don't know of any existing lore there
@@PlebTV Yea I don't remeber what vid but he just randomly take jab at Creeto saying something like being so mad at someone opinion they made an 8h long respond to it
Hey, if drama gets you to post more, I'm all for it. I don't know who this guy is, but I'm down for stealing a few dozen views.
more ramble videos plz plebtv
I was going to write a long three paragraph comment about my thoughts on the topic but realise it won't change anyone's mind and it'll just make people angry and spiteful for disagreeing with a disagreement. I'll just add, transformation isn't just about what you add. It is about you leave in, if you leave the entire work in full of your transformative work- it is not protected as transformative. An 8 hour review of Star Wars where someone pauses the movie every minute to go on a five minute ramble is still not protected if they left the entire movie in frame for frame. This comment is mainly towards commenters here who don't understand what constitutes what transformative constitutes at least from a legal perspective. Ethics topics only make people angry and I'd rather not touch it.
Can you really say you've streamed 100% of someone elses video if you never let them finish?
Turns out ruthlessly nitpicking the way people speak makes it a critique and thus safe
UA-cam should have a function where the you can link the video and stream for views
That would be convenient but we still haven't gotten timed comments. Plus a third party service could work for other streaming sites or even private recordings.
@@PlebTV I wonder if people at UA-cam are paid by the hour because there are hundreds of free and easily implementable ideas floating on the internet it's not even funny
I think the feature team is probably swamped trying to make YT shorts competitive with TikTok. They've basically abandoned longform (which they consider over 3 minutes) for a while
You know what would be super cool? A function to label a video as a response to another video. Man that would be super cool, shame they haven't thought of it yet.
@@steveman9668 Isn't that why the description of the video is there? So you can link all the relevant sources and information there?
Anyway, on that note, EFAP certainly don't link, they do say the channel name and video title before starting. I find that works well enough. And then there are situations where they can't cover a subject because the sources are spread across many videos (like the Darth Boogie saga) and so MauLer has the unlisted compilation videos which they use on stream to provide the material to react to and to create context.
Rad take
I almost enjoy your game vid reacting streams as much as your vids. I still hope you'll do one on morrowind vids.
Hbomberguy's video, while doing a lot of good, has definitely opened the door for a lot of people to scream "PLAGIARIST" purely because you took a little piece out of context, and postured that the whole video MUST be plagiarised.
When, in truth, that's just how people create stuff. We've always developed language and writing by exposing ourselves to what's out there. If you copy from one source, it IS plagiarism, but if you're taking bits and pieces from hundreds, if not thousands of places (books you've read, the way your parents talked, shows you've watched) which define your internal writing voice, then that's not Plagirism
This obviously doesn't need saying. I merely comment for the will of the Algorithm Gods
I mean it's worth saying because it's relevant and true. People were WAY too quick to jump the gun on the plagiarism accusations based on nothing more than "there's a lot so it'd be easy to hide!"
Funnily enough, I get told constantly that I should look into SuperRAD's Oblivion video for cases of him plagiarizing the UESP. But nobody has ever sent me anything concrete so I don't treat this as a credible accusation.
I thought about mentioning the whole "please credit me" thing he said. I think if it's a transformative reaction stream, getting credited is kind of inevitable. It's really hard for people to not know what you are reacting too.
@@PlebTV I remember you mentioned in your Oblivion review that sort of takedown vid would be both mean spirited and not all that fun to watch, but due to the overwhelming success of Hbomberguy especially, people are somewhat expecting it? The NeverKnowsBest review was a fun jab at the guy, but I don't think it's a genre of video you would want to get known for.
Commentary Channel PatricianTV is a frightening prospect. You'd have to give your avatar the MoistCritical hair
I would not enjoy it but I would be good at drama youtube.
Imagine artificially inflating your videos to astronomical size and then getting mad when someone decides to show everyone why and how lmao
longform videos are definitely the chicken nuggets of videos, I can see some youtubers being uncomfortable having the sausage making process exposed. But I actually think this was over a shorter video he made.
he injects irl politics in his analysis. Its essentially unwatchable, with how many buzzwords he throws around.
I consider reaction videos and streams low effort content, and prefer your analysis videos, which are more in depth.
The youtuber drama arc you've been having with SaltFactory, SuperRAD and some others is pretty boring, honestly.
It's not one or the other. The only reason my videos are as in depth as they are at this point is because of the streams.
@@PlebTV Probably, but could you just forget about the youtuber drama? It really hurts to watch
It's fine if you don't like drama. I personally don't either and I would rather settle all of this but that highly depends on other people.
@@zyrkugilgamesh you are on his second channel complaining about tertiary content. Hit that unsubscribe button, unfollow his Xitter, and you will never has this issue again.
Discord invite is expired
It is for patrons only now anyway
@@NazgNurglych Ah, thank you
You aren't missing much right now besides the announcements role. So I guess ring the bell? I have no clue how/if the bell works.
@@PlebTV lmao nobody knows