You completely missed the part about Ryan Grigson and the Colts management failing to get him a decent offensive line and barely helping him during his surgery and rehab. That wasn’t a result of a reckless play style, the franchise let him down.
Exactly. He was getting hit left and right never had a good line, never had a good rb, defense was okay at BEST. He was forced to play hero ball damn near every week. Grigson was terrible
I remember reading a draft report on Andrew Luck prior to being drafted which detailed his strengths and weaknesses. It literally said in his weakness section that he has no weaknesses. That's how big of a prospect he was at the time.
As a draft fans people were all a board the luck train. Members of the media would be seen already giving luck his spot in Ohio before he even took a snap in the nfl 😂 😂
Unfortunately injuries turned a guy who single handedly held up a colts team into a “what if” story. Dude could probably be one of the greatest qb coaches ever if he wanted to get into that though
the perfect manning successor was manning himself, the colts deserved what they got after shoving peyton to the back door while he still had 3 prime years ahead of him
@@aesir1ases64the colts sucked outside of Manning. Also manning was old and very injury prone coming off major neck surgery. We saw what the colts O-line did to a young and strong luck. That colts team would have gotten Manning actually killed or paralyzed
The top two QBs in this class will forever be one of the biggest “what if” stories in sports. Two guys with the potential for Hall of Fame careers and some absolutely awesome NFL games. All to be destroyed by injuries and lackluster organizations behind them.
I agree, although RG3 kind of let his ego get the best of him especially when he told Washington he wants to stop running. That's like Lamar telling the Ravens he doesn't want to run anymore
I don’t think RG3 ever had potential. He’s just so fragile. If you look at his knees even before all the injuries there’s just something mechanically unsound about them. He was always going to have knee injuries. And in fact he had 3 in 5 years.
Those organizations are largely responsible for those injuries. Coaches back then were too stupid to make use of dual threat QBs. That's actually what made Kaepernick so special, because he was smart enough to avoid those big injuries. Nowadays, RPOs and QB draws are designed in a way that protects the QB much more. While Kyler Murray for example has had a few injuries, there were barely any tackles that felt like they could be career enders.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom don't think you cant ever say someone "never had potential" without ever witnessing such. the redskins were in a tough spot having sean taylor's passing and their believed franchise qb campbell traded for a washed up donovan mcnabb. I lived in DC during this time and literally EVERYBODY was expecting RG3 to be our savior. He was pushed too much and asked to do things out of his comfort zone very early on before he even got to show he was his own thing. This is why you hear so many people say 'he was lamar jackson before lamar jackson was lamar jackson'. That goes to show how better of a coach John Harbaugh is and the Ravens organization is than the Redskins were
The front office? Maybe try blaming the REAL problem. Ryan Grigson. It was the fault of their GM and their GM alone. He cared more about his ego than the team. There are multiple coaches that have come out since then and told stories of how Grigson outright REFUSED to draft offensive linemen despite the extreme need for it. I hate hearing the same old “wah wah colts front office this and that”. They did what they could, not sure if you understand football but the GM? Ryan Grigson? He holds a little bit more power than the coaching staff.
Cincinnati is hopefully following this advice for Burrow. I just hope they see that there's still more work to be done on the team instead of getting complacent since they improbably won the AFC North this year
Kirk Cousins stats are actually incredible compared to the rest of this class. He played 32 less games than Russ and only has 4,000 less yards. More td's and less interception than Tannehill with a higher completion percentage as well.
Andrew Luck is the greatest "WHAT Could've Been." The Colts destroyed his career. He was wreckless to a point but he didn't derail his career. Lack of support is what knocked him down. He looked completely depressed announcing his retirement & even the fans turned on him booing him out of the stadium. Had he had the support he should've had, the Colts would be having their own dynasty rn.
I was one who never booed him. I felt sorry for him. If we had only had an offensive line to protect him. I can only say sorry. It pisses me off seeing what Grigson did to the Colts.
Had he been drafted by a different team, he probably would have had a pretty okay career. What the Deadskins did to him should be seen a criminal. Dan Snyder ruins everything.
@@aharontyson6958 I think classifying him as a “bust” is very unfair. He showed in his rookie season that his skillset made him an exceptional NFL player. Now 1/3 of NFL teams have RGIII type QBs and many of them doing well. Look at Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Injuries can happen to anyone and he got a bad break.
Something you failed to mention in the RGIII section. It wasn't the organization or coaching staff that wanted RGIII to become a pocket passer. It was RGIII and his dad that wanted that. They went to the owner to force the coaching staff to do that. Because the coach Mike Shanahan refused to do it.
Shanahan is a great coach and was using rg3 to his strengths while he became a better passer. I think if after he hurt his knee he should have stayed out but his pride forced him back in the game and he made it worse.
RG3 was a gigantic prima donna. Lots of ignorant fans blame Shanahan for his downfall. No true. RG3 went over the coachs' head to the idiot owner and played hurt.
@@DeadSexyAdamCheney Shanahan was a terrible couch in Washington. He had RG3 out there on a knee brace. What did he think was going to happen. Coaches make the decisions, not players.They’re accountable for everyone
I’m old enough to remember when Bleacher Report gave the Seahawks drafting Russ a grade letter F. Little did people know he would end up being the best QB in the class.
@@Xzrohrh luck had multiple seasons and not to mention back to back years being the most sacked player. They only invested in the line his last before retirement. Wilson’s line currently is better than any line luck had barring the 2018 season when Nelson was drafted
He was my favorite player ever. He retired on my 18th birthday the year the colts were favored to win the super bowl. Andrew was a joy to watch play, a shame they never gave him weapons or an o line till his last year.
@@charlesburroughs9770 He said Weapons, not receivers. The only 2 Weapons on that list are Reggie and TY. Johnson is a weapon but was past his prime by that point and wasn't an elite receiver. With that being said, yes, the Colts did at times have above-average receiving cores. Issue was mainly the O-line.
Fun fact: Demetrius Harris, the TE who caught the TD pass from Dontari Poe at the end of the video, was also the first player Patrick Mahomes completed a pass to in the NFL.
Fun Fact: Demetrius Harris, the TE who caught the pass from Dontari Poe at the end of the video, was the first player Dontari Poe completed a pass in the NFL.
And he did it after being inserted at half time, down 10-0. He then commanded the team into the playoff, and should have been the QB for the playoffs instead of Hoyer, who got beaten badly. BoB has the worst judgement for QBs because he then used Osweiler and Savage from Rutgers as starting QBs. Weeden could have been a Tannehill at that point because of the talent on the offense.
@@jlobiafra I dont think so. He wasn't good enough to win the games he started, but won the one he took over, coming from behind. One of the loss wasnt his fault, and his QBR wasn't bad, and finished ahead of Romo that year. In fact, Weeden held the distinction of leading 2 NFL teams that year in QBR.
I remember my older cousin played against Andrew luck when he was a junior or senior in HS. That man was nice even back then. It was so much talent in Houston back in the mid to late 2000s.
Yeah a shaky O-line, no real run game, and lack of weapons outside of T.Y Hilton and a few others made Luck feel like he had to play hero ball. Which lead to him being reckless with his body and turning the ball over a lot.
10:35 personally I will NEVER forget about Brandon Weedon. I’m a saints fan living in Alaska and I’ve only ever been to 1 regular season game. I’ve been to a handful of pre season games. Anyways in 2015, the saints played the Cowboys in Sunday night football. This was one of those down years for the saints, ending the season 7-9. Romo was hurt for the cowboys so Weedon was starting. And he legit ALMOST BEAT US. Game went to OT and first play Brees threw the ball to CJ Spiller for an 80 yard TD to win the game. Regardless of the win, I will always be thankful Weedon was starting that night, cuz if Romo was playing , it probably would of been 20-45 saints lose.
Great job! I remember how hyped up Luck was. All you would hear is how good of a Qb he was. This class was somethin else and shaped the NFL for the next decade if you think about it.
If the colts actually gave Luck protection he would still be in the league. Could you imagine just how good the colts would be right now with that current offensive line?
The year he quit we had arguably the best line in the league and he quit mid preseason. He’s hated in our state. Only people who like him are non Colts fans who are better off without him in the league.
@@robbyrdog And also, he didn’t quit because the line sucked, he quit because of all of his injuries and how those injuries affected him mentally. Sure, the line played a part in that, but it’s not the whole reason he hung it up
As a Seahawks fan I thought the most talked about pass was going to be Russel throwing it on the goal line to lose the super bowl. The one QB from this class that is often forgot about with a unique story is Case Keenum. The guy put up ridiculous numbers at Houston, went undrafted, but has had some good moments in the NFL. I know he's a backup now, but he's definitely had success.
If Luck didn't get the shit kicked out of him, I think he would have won at least 1 super bowl. It just sucks that he was with the Colts who thought they could cheap out on an O-LIne to protect him because he was more mobile than Manning ever could be.
I love watching these videos because these are the QBs that were on the rise when I was becoming a real football fan and it's very interesting seeing their careers in a detailed hindsight. I also love reading the title of the video and predicting what play you'll put as the beat drop and I did not guess Dontari Poe lol... great video
@John Nichols I’m a Packers fan, but out of this class I like seeing the guys succeed, I like watching everyone succeed, especially guys like Foles and Russ who were way over looked
Wish you talked about Brock Osweiler's story of leaving the broncos after Payton left to join the Texans for the pay raise. Would have loved to hear it again
My favorite part about the Brock Osweiler story is that he was so bad and the Texans regretted the contract so much, that they traded a 2nd round pick to the Browns just to get rid of him. Gotta respect him for the 41 million dollar finesse.
4:38 gotta disagree with you KTO. General Manager Ryan Grigson never addressed the offensive line, so Luck would constantly take hard hits. I feel this was the biggest reason to his injuries
@@robbyrdog yeah because coming back from a torn abdomen, a lacerated kidney and a severe shoulder injury makes you a joke huh. All of that pain and rehab can take a large tole on anyone’s mental and physical state
@@coltsfan209 lmao yeah two weeks before the season starts and we give home the best line in the league…dudes a joke just like anyone who defends what he did. There’s a way you go about doing these things and he handled it very unprofessionally.
RGIII had vaugus knee, where your knees cave inward. in his broad jump during the combine, his knees caved in when he landed. his knee problem is what caused his knee injury
As a Colts fan, one of my biggest “what if” questions is just how good the Colts would be if Andrew Luck was on this current Colts team. Ryan Grigson left him out there to get killed with his piss poor management. 😩
i really appreciate people like you and flemlo for doing such good research i mean you probably remember this stuff happening somewhat but not everything most things you need to do some real research which i really thank you for.
I'll still say Luck will be the greatest "could've been" story in the NFL. He was an elite talent and his only knock was that he took too many risks with his body. Barring those terrible injuries he had a HOF trajectory career
Besides the magical runs Foles has with Phily in 17'-18' AND 18'-19' he also had a great 2013 season as a starter for the eagles. He is very incosistent but he might be the best backup QB of all time.
Due to injuries, one of THE potentially greatest QBs we have seen in a generation didn't live up to what he was sadly. Man, what he could've done if not for those injuries.
I really don't think calling Luck's playstyle reckless was the core reason the man no longer plays. I blame the lack of a line, decisions of coaching staff and overall management. The Colts ruined him. When you get a QB like that, you protect him at all cost. And the Colts never did that.
I have to appreciate you making a video like this, if for no other reason than you KNOW full well you can't make it without talking about another dark moment in the history of your favorite team. I also never thought about the Robert Griffin III tragedy like that before. I always thought that management completely screwed him after his injury, but I guess there's another side of the story. That definitely explains why he never had a resurgence after he left Washington, much as I wanted him to. (....Well, that and he kept getting extra injuries on top of his old one... So I'd still say it's mostly tragic and not what he deserved.)
Nick Foles was so good that I was bummed that he got Benched for Sam Bradford. Once he made his Return it was Legendary. His Statue of when he Said to Coach Peterson "You want to do the Philly Philly?" is Displayed at the Stadium. God Bless the Saint Nick!
Correction: Ryan Tannehill was not a receiver when he went to A&M. He was a QB who was beat out by Jerrod Johnson. Tannehill wanted to play, so they had him play wide receiver and due to his athleticism, he shined at WR, but he still attended the QB room meetings and was still listed as a backup QB. When Jerrod Johnson got injured, Tannehill got his chance and was spectacular. He played midway through his junior year and all of his senior year. Sorry, but I think it's important to correct the record. Tannehill was handicapped the first part of his career at Miami with an incompetent owner, head coaching carousel, and porous O-LIne.
despite not having great numbers and also retiring I think Osweiler had a really good time for himself.Got a massive contract and got a superbowl ring by covering for manning in the playoffs then ran to the bank at 30. Well done!
Luck hanged up the cleats too soon. He was the guy, the next generational QB. Dude could've won multiple MvPs and perhaps SBs. But, just not with the Colts lol. If only he wasn't so banged up.
@Peters6221 Yup, I agree with you bud. It's unfortunate that the Colts was only able to get all the pieces together after Luck left. The current squad they got now would be terrifying with Luck under center.
@@Weezy10580 He was the best in the big 12 and tons of other good QBs came out of the big 12? He was probably drafted early, but the dude had pretty much no chance at the Browns. They were at peak dysfunction.
@@robbyrdog I don’t know if you’ve ever had to extensive rehab on a reconstructed joint, but it’s about as bad as it gets. Not being able to pick your grandkids is not worth playing a game. He endured years of car crash like impact for his team until he couldn’t give anymore.
@@mxcnbigboyz619 he quit two weeks before the season started after we got him an amazing line…he went about quitting in a horrible way. You making excuses for him just shows how soft this generation is
@@robbyrdog i wasn’t a fan of how he left but he doesn’t owe you a damn thing, thinking he does shows how selfish and full of themselves your generation is
Say what you want about Cousins. But he proved people wrong in this class and there’s no doubt from what he’s accomplished as a 4th rounder is a huge success
I agree he turned into a decent QB he’s made some mistakes in the playoffs but that happens Edit: I used him for years in Washington as my QB he was a great fantasy QB back then
Well, the QB spot is literally almost impossible to get right when it comes to these drafts. At the end of the day it either comes down to the player and his skills/work effort or the team and the scheme.
The most memorable pass made by someone in this draft class was made by an undrafted player, not by Dontari Poe. Case Keenum to Steffon Diggs in the playoffs, Keenum went undrafted out of Houston after graduating with the NCAA record for career passing yards.
Na, as unfortunately as it was, the most memorable pass was made by Russel Wilson at the end of Superbowl XLIX. That shit still wakes me up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night.
I feel bad for Osweiler not getting any mention here. It was an injury that brought Manning back into that Broncos team. If anything, the Broncos improved with Brock at the helm. Even if his last start didn't prompt any great quarterback controversy.
I'm a Packers fan, and I'll always give credit where it's due when it comes to Kirk Cousins. Everyone should. Arguably the most underrated QB in the league today.
A lot of guys do what KTO does and they do it well. I can honestly say nobody in this genre on UA-cam ends videos better than KTO. As a former defensive lineman you gotta love it!
Both luck and griffin were screwed by their franchises. Luck got hit way too much and griffin still took a snap when he was clearly hurt then tore his acl; he was never the same.
Tannehill's career revival is pretty neat. He landed in the best possible situation for himself and has maximized it. Even with this season being a little rough, they're still vying for the top AFC playoff spot. Tennessee got a solid QB for a song when they traded for him. The last portion of Wilson's rookie season seems rarely discussed. We knew in the Seattle region that he was turning into something special. I think it was the Chicago game where he led a 90 yard drive in the 4th quarter to tie the game, then another 90 yard drive in OT to win it. That was the "Oh wow" moment where his will to win was truly evident. Then they destroyed Arizona, Buffalo and San Francisco late in the season, beat RGIII in the playoffs and had one of the greatest 4th quarter comebacks against the Falcons the following week. It's a shame they couldn't stop Tony Gonzales of course. But Seattle fans went into 2013 knowing Wilson and that team was going to be special. The feeling that off season was unique and well, turned out to be correct.
After Andrew luck laid out that USC defender on the fumble recovery, I had a feeling he’d be special. It’s so sad to see how badly he was banged up. He could’ve been special. He could’ve made it to canton.
I think another thing that contributed to Andrew Luck's early retirement was the Colts not building a good offensive line around him. They had a trash offensive line until they decided to pick Quinton Nelson which lead to him getting hit a lot
Every time I see that Weeden pick vs the Lions from 2013, another part of me dies inside knowing I was there in person to witness that. The worst pass in nfl history
You completely missed the part about Ryan Grigson and the Colts management failing to get him a decent offensive line and barely helping him during his surgery and rehab. That wasn’t a result of a reckless play style, the franchise let him down.
Exactly. He was getting hit left and right never had a good line, never had a good rb, defense was okay at BEST. He was forced to play hero ball damn near every week. Grigson was terrible
Yep, the Colts destroyed his potential. It’s sad because he pretty much single-handedly revived that team after Peyton left.
Agreed. Not Luck's fault. If he had a competent O-line, he might still be playing today.
I’ll forever hate Ryan Grigson
Imagine him playing today with the current colts team now..
I remember reading a draft report on Andrew Luck prior to being drafted which detailed his strengths and weaknesses. It literally said in his weakness section that he has no weaknesses. That's how big of a prospect he was at the time.
That shit is crazy. Weaknesses: None
As a draft fans people were all a board the luck train.
Members of the media would be seen already giving luck his spot in Ohio before he even took a snap in the nfl 😂 😂
I think they were right too he was a really good Qb, but playing behind that bad of a line gets to you
Unfortunately injuries turned a guy who single handedly held up a colts team into a “what if” story. Dude could probably be one of the greatest qb coaches ever if he wanted to get into that though
@@BrianWilliams-op6lv it takes more than just being good at playing a position to be a good coach. It takes a certain type of person to teach others.
Ryan Grigson killed Luck’s career arc, Colts were gifted the perfect Manning successor and squandered him so badly
wouldve been the greatest hand off than farve too rodgers
the perfect manning successor was manning himself, the colts deserved what they got after shoving peyton to the back door while he still had 3 prime years ahead of him
@@aesir1ases64 we couldn’t give Peyton what Denver did. We needed to rebuild, and doubt we could have given him the opportunity Denver gave him.
@@aesir1ases64the colts sucked outside of Manning. Also manning was old and very injury prone coming off major neck surgery. We saw what the colts O-line did to a young and strong luck. That colts team would have gotten Manning actually killed or paralyzed
The top two QBs in this class will forever be one of the biggest “what if” stories in sports. Two guys with the potential for Hall of Fame careers and some absolutely awesome NFL games. All to be destroyed by injuries and lackluster organizations behind them.
I agree, although RG3 kind of let his ego get the best of him especially when he told Washington he wants to stop running. That's like Lamar telling the Ravens he doesn't want to run anymore
I don’t think RG3 ever had potential. He’s just so fragile. If you look at his knees even before all the injuries there’s just something mechanically unsound about them. He was always going to have knee injuries. And in fact he had 3 in 5 years.
Those organizations are largely responsible for those injuries. Coaches back then were too stupid to make use of dual threat QBs. That's actually what made Kaepernick so special, because he was smart enough to avoid those big injuries. Nowadays, RPOs and QB draws are designed in a way that protects the QB much more. While Kyler Murray for example has had a few injuries, there were barely any tackles that felt like they could be career enders.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom don't think you cant ever say someone "never had potential" without ever witnessing such. the redskins were in a tough spot having sean taylor's passing and their believed franchise qb campbell traded for a washed up donovan mcnabb. I lived in DC during this time and literally EVERYBODY was expecting RG3 to be our savior. He was pushed too much and asked to do things out of his comfort zone very early on before he even got to show he was his own thing. This is why you hear so many people say 'he was lamar jackson before lamar jackson was lamar jackson'. That goes to show how better of a coach John Harbaugh is and the Ravens organization is than the Redskins were
Perfectly said man
I'll never forgive the colts for what their front office did to Andrew Luck.
Fax, love you chiseled adonis
Ah shit my boy is here
As a Colts fan, I can never forgive our franchise either. All we can offer are words of apology.
I'm sorry Andrew.
Grigson tried, pagano sucked.
The front office? Maybe try blaming the REAL problem. Ryan Grigson. It was the fault of their GM and their GM alone. He cared more about his ego than the team. There are multiple coaches that have come out since then and told stories of how Grigson outright REFUSED to draft offensive linemen despite the extreme need for it. I hate hearing the same old “wah wah colts front office this and that”. They did what they could, not sure if you understand football but the GM? Ryan Grigson? He holds a little bit more power than the coaching staff.
What happened to Andrew luck is a cautionary tale for every tanking franchise. You have to be ready to flip the switch and build a winner
Shit at least build a decent offensive line
I'm worried about Trevor Lawrence for this reason. The Jags have not shown that they are capable of this in the last decade plus
agreed, the Colts tanked the 2011 season
Cincinnati is hopefully following this advice for Burrow. I just hope they see that there's still more work to be done on the team instead of getting complacent since they improbably won the AFC North this year
@@37willdog Lawrence is doomed
Kirk Cousins stats are actually incredible compared to the rest of this class. He played 32 less games than Russ and only has 4,000 less yards. More td's and less interception than Tannehill with a higher completion percentage as well.
Yeah but he’s inconsistent and can never lead his team
Also he’s never led a team passed the divisional round
My MVP, Kirko Bangs
I like that
Stats, schmats. He's not a winner when it matters most.
Andrew Luck is the greatest "WHAT Could've Been." The Colts destroyed his career. He was wreckless to a point but he didn't derail his career. Lack of support is what knocked him down. He looked completely depressed announcing his retirement & even the fans turned on him booing him out of the stadium. Had he had the support he should've had, the Colts would be having their own dynasty rn.
For real imagine had they have given him a Line.
Thanks Pagano.
Completely agreed
I was one who never booed him. I felt sorry for him. If we had only had an offensive line to protect him. I can only say sorry. It pisses me off seeing what Grigson did to the Colts.
@@ItBePatYo It was all Pagano.
I had so much faith in RGIII. So sad to see him fall apart after injuries.
Had he been drafted by a different team, he probably would have had a pretty okay career. What the Deadskins did to him should be seen a criminal. Dan Snyder ruins everything.
It reminds me so much of Derrick Rose
I called him a bust when i heard he was being considered a 1st round prospect. Wrong skill set to be successful long term in NFL and I was right
@@aharontyson6958 I feel with more time r G3 become a better more long-term player but he didn’t have a lot of time
@@aharontyson6958 I think classifying him as a “bust” is very unfair. He showed in his rookie season that his skillset made him an exceptional NFL player. Now 1/3 of NFL teams have RGIII type QBs and many of them doing well. Look at Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Injuries can happen to anyone and he got a bad break.
Something you failed to mention in the RGIII section. It wasn't the organization or coaching staff that wanted RGIII to become a pocket passer. It was RGIII and his dad that wanted that. They went to the owner to force the coaching staff to do that. Because the coach Mike Shanahan refused to do it.
Shanahan is a great coach and was using rg3 to his strengths while he became a better passer. I think if after he hurt his knee he should have stayed out but his pride forced him back in the game and he made it worse.
Stop lying bro the Washington football team set me up to get hurt
They both knew I was injured and throw me into the game
RG3 was a gigantic prima donna. Lots of ignorant fans blame Shanahan for his downfall. No true. RG3 went over the coachs' head to the idiot owner and played hurt.
@@DeadSexyAdamCheney
Shanahan was a terrible couch in Washington. He had RG3 out there on a knee brace. What did he think was going to happen. Coaches make the decisions, not players.They’re accountable for everyone
I’m old enough to remember when Bleacher Report gave the Seahawks drafting Russ a grade letter F. Little did people know he would end up being the best QB in the class.
Your not wrong. But If Indy invested in a O-Line for Luck a bit, he would still be playing as well.
N.F.W did Bleacher report give the Seahawks A LOLOL
I took that guy in the 15th Round in my Fantasy Draft before he was announced the Starter because I knew he was going to be amazing.
@@chaostopia Russ has had arguably a worse o line during his career
@@Xzrohrh luck had multiple seasons and not to mention back to back years being the most sacked player. They only invested in the line his last before retirement. Wilson’s line currently is better than any line luck had barring the 2018 season when Nelson was drafted
He was my favorite player ever. He retired on my 18th birthday the year the colts were favored to win the super bowl. Andrew was a joy to watch play, a shame they never gave him weapons or an o line till his last year.
No weapons until his last year, Seriously!!!
2012 - Reggie Wayne, Colby Fleener, Dwayne Allen!!!
2013 - T.Y. Hilton, Colby Fleener!!!
2014 - T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Colby Fleener, Dwayne Allen!!!
2015 - NO Luck...Frank Gore, T.Y. Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Colby Fleener, Dwayne Allen!!!
2016 - Frank Gore, T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson, Jack Doyle, Dwayne Allen!!!
@@charlesburroughs9770 exactly these clowns have no clue what their talking about and just want to make excuses for the quitter
@@charlesburroughs9770 He said Weapons, not receivers.
The only 2 Weapons on that list are Reggie and TY.
Johnson is a weapon but was past his prime by that point and wasn't an elite receiver.
With that being said, yes, the Colts did at times have above-average receiving cores.
Issue was mainly the O-line.
@@charlesburroughs9770 3/4 of those players weren't very good.
And none of them fix the Oline
Logic exists. Give it a try
Fun fact: Demetrius Harris, the TE who caught the TD pass from Dontari Poe at the end of the video, was also the first player Patrick Mahomes completed a pass to in the NFL.
Fun Fact: Demetrius Harris, the TE who caught the pass from Dontari Poe at the end of the video, was the first player Dontari Poe completed a pass in the NFL.
Andrew luck could come back rn and be a top 15 qb day one if he wanted to. I’m glad he understands his health is more important than a damn game.
doubtful..talent wise yea but hes just too fragile he wouldnt make the season
@@pika9752 now we have a good oline, so hopefully he would be decent
He’s not man enough to play
@@gamersfreefood no offense to Carson Wentz, but you’d take luck any given Sunday.
@@robbyrdog bait?
Brandon Weeden is a Texans legend, as he led us to our first win in Lucas Oil Stadium
It took over a decade, but Weeden did it
And he did it after being inserted at half time, down 10-0. He then commanded the team into the playoff, and should have been the QB for the playoffs instead of Hoyer, who got beaten badly. BoB has the worst judgement for QBs because he then used Osweiler and Savage from Rutgers as starting QBs. Weeden could have been a Tannehill at that point because of the talent on the offense.
@@redstwok1123 weedon was terrible when he was Romo's backup in dallas prior to him being on the Texans.
@@jlobiafra I dont think so. He wasn't good enough to win the games he started, but won the one he took over, coming from behind. One of the loss wasnt his fault, and his QBR wasn't bad, and finished ahead of Romo that year. In fact, Weeden held the distinction of leading 2 NFL teams that year in QBR.
Funny thing is Weeden and Oklahoma State beat the sure thing Andrew Luck & Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl a few months before the draft.
@James Black That's true, but just stating the facts.
I remember my older cousin played against Andrew luck when he was a junior or senior in HS. That man was nice even back then. It was so much talent in Houston back in the mid to late 2000s.
Andrew Luck also helped to create one of the greatest handles in Twitter history. He made his mother proud.
What's the handle?
@@CatnamedMittens I’m guessing it’s the @CaptAndrewLuck account
Luck's "reckless play style" was not to blame, but the complete lack of an offensive line is what caused him to get injured so much and retire early
It's honestly sad how good the offensive line has gotten since his retirement.
Yeah a shaky O-line, no real run game, and lack of weapons outside of T.Y Hilton and a few others made Luck feel like he had to play hero ball. Which lead to him being reckless with his body and turning the ball over a lot.
Very true
Alot of qbs have had bet offensive lines his play style was 100% a factor
@@JaKingScomez and a lot of those QBs had their careers ruined by injuries
You need to do a video on the 2013 QB class. That’d be a fun one. One of the worst QB classes in recent memory
That and 2007. I would say that 2007 was way worse than 2013.
@@michaelh1603 07 was horrendous. Looking back at it there is no doubt 07 was the worst.
@@Jacob-mv2mw lol i wanted troy smith to be a stud
Poe throwing a TD is awesome
I love when the big boys like DT and OL get some love
10:35 personally I will NEVER forget about Brandon Weedon. I’m a saints fan living in Alaska and I’ve only ever been to 1 regular season game. I’ve been to a handful of pre season games. Anyways in 2015, the saints played the Cowboys in Sunday night football. This was one of those down years for the saints, ending the season 7-9. Romo was hurt for the cowboys so Weedon was starting. And he legit ALMOST BEAT US. Game went to OT and first play Brees threw the ball to CJ Spiller for an 80 yard TD to win the game. Regardless of the win, I will always be thankful Weedon was starting that night, cuz if Romo was playing , it probably would of been 20-45 saints lose.
Funny thing is Weeden and Oklahoma State beat the sure thing Andrew Luck & Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl a few months before the draft.
all time QB class, even considering the unfulfilled potential
@Aimi Yusri wtf
@Aimi Yusri Uh what
2006 dradt class goated if unfulfilled is the measurement
@@_nso_12 I got him reported. Hate spam like that
@Aimi Yusri reported
I love when KTO uploads, makes my day!
Great job! I remember how hyped up Luck was. All you would hear is how good of a Qb he was. This class was somethin else and shaped the NFL for the next decade if you think about it.
I wish McDavid will not turn into Luck...
i love these video going back on drafts and seeing them now especially since i dont keep up with football let alone drafts thanks 👍
If the colts actually gave Luck protection he would still be in the league. Could you imagine just how good the colts would be right now with that current offensive line?
The year he quit we had arguably the best line in the league and he quit mid preseason. He’s hated in our state. Only people who like him are non Colts fans who are better off without him in the league.
@@robbyrdog So?
What does the line being good the year he reignited have to do with any of that?
@@JD-jz5gu the whole excuse for him quitting was not having a decent line….???
@@robbyrdog So?
If the line was bad his whole career how should he know the line would be good the year he retired…….
@@robbyrdog And also, he didn’t quit because the line sucked, he quit because of all of his injuries and how those injuries affected him mentally.
Sure, the line played a part in that, but it’s not the whole reason he hung it up
As a Seahawks fan I thought the most talked about pass was going to be Russel throwing it on the goal line to lose the super bowl. The one QB from this class that is often forgot about with a unique story is Case Keenum. The guy put up ridiculous numbers at Houston, went undrafted, but has had some good moments in the NFL. I know he's a backup now, but he's definitely had success.
I mean, if we count one good season in a career of a guy with a losing record "success" ...
If Luck didn't get the shit kicked out of him, I think he would have won at least 1 super bowl. It just sucks that he was with the Colts who thought they could cheap out on an O-LIne to protect him because he was more mobile than Manning ever could be.
It's hilarious to see how much less insanely cluttered and over the top the ESPN set was in 2012.
I love watching these videos because these are the QBs that were on the rise when I was becoming a real football fan and it's very interesting seeing their careers in a detailed hindsight. I also love reading the title of the video and predicting what play you'll put as the beat drop and I did not guess Dontari Poe lol... great video
@John Nichols I’m a Packers fan, but out of this class I like seeing the guys succeed, I like watching everyone succeed, especially guys like Foles and Russ who were way over looked
Wish you talked about Brock Osweiler's story of leaving the broncos after Payton left to join the Texans for the pay raise. Would have loved to hear it again
My favorite part about the Brock Osweiler story is that he was so bad and the Texans regretted the contract so much, that they traded a 2nd round pick to the Browns just to get rid of him. Gotta respect him for the 41 million dollar finesse.
I wonder how he would’ve been had he stayed with the Broncos he played well with that system.
@@awesomebeast7509 what😂😂😂
@@JD-jz5gu Man used Peyton Mannings degrading arm to finesse the Texans into paying him 41 mil. Can’t hate on him for securing his bag💰
@@awesomebeast7509 hell no, that’s actually amazing.
He finessed the Texans, then Bill O’Brien did then deshaun Watson😂😂😂
I'd argue the most memorable pass by a player from this draft class was a pass by Russell Wilson from a certain 1 yard line...
4:38 gotta disagree with you KTO. General Manager Ryan Grigson never addressed the offensive line, so Luck would constantly take hard hits. I feel this was the biggest reason to his injuries
They tried but were unsucessful.
The year he quit the Colts had arguably the best o line in the league…he quit mid preseason the guy is a joke.
@@robbyrdog yeah because coming back from a torn abdomen, a lacerated kidney and a severe shoulder injury makes you a joke huh. All of that pain and rehab can take a large tole on anyone’s mental and physical state
@@coltsfan209 lmao yeah two weeks before the season starts and we give home the best line in the league…dudes a joke just like anyone who defends what he did. There’s a way you go about doing these things and he handled it very unprofessionally.
@@robbyrdog Lmao a true hater
RGIII had vaugus knee, where your knees cave inward. in his broad jump during the combine, his knees caved in when he landed. his knee problem is what caused his knee injury
As a Colts fan, one of my biggest “what if” questions is just how good the Colts would be if Andrew Luck was on this current Colts team. Ryan Grigson left him out there to get killed with his piss poor management. 😩
i really appreciate people like you and flemlo for doing such good research i mean you probably remember this stuff happening somewhat but not everything most things you need to do some real research which i really thank you for.
Can't believe it's already been 10 years. I feel old
I’m still singing the Andrew Luck blues in Indy. He still lives around here though so it’s nice the fans that booed him didn’t run him off completely.
I'll still say Luck will be the greatest "could've been" story in the NFL. He was an elite talent and his only knock was that he took too many risks with his body. Barring those terrible injuries he had a HOF trajectory career
You just earned a subscriber keep up with this great content & would love for you to cover more quarterbacks from the 80's up to now!
I feel like the most memorable throw from this draft class was “intercepted at the goal line”
Still hurts
Don’t rub it in
It still stings
The throw that becomes a meme.
Wilson's goal line pick in the super bowl was also pretty memorable.
Or the Failception.
@@16ktsgamma the ball goes to the receiver in that cituation it wasn’t a bad call
@@joemam7855 Ha ha, you mean it gets intercepted.
Besides the magical runs Foles has with Phily in 17'-18' AND 18'-19' he also had a great 2013 season as a starter for the eagles. He is very incosistent but he might be the best backup QB of all time.
That 2013 season Foles had is still the 3rd highest Qb rating of all time. Only 3rd to Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers.
Also his td to int ratio is 2nd best of all time only losing out by .5 to Tom Brady.
He came back down 14-0 to beat the Seahawks two weeks ago, with the greatest 2pt play I've ever seen
and he threw 7 tds in a game that season, which is the shared record of tds in a single game
I love your videos. I always can’t for for the outro gets me so hype everytime
Love the channel keep up the great work
Your videos are always flames!! Keep up the good work!
Due to injuries, one of THE potentially greatest QBs we have seen in a generation didn't live up to what he was sadly. Man, what he could've done if not for those injuries.
That Dontari Poe play always makes me smile. Great way to start my morning
I really don't think calling Luck's playstyle reckless was the core reason the man no longer plays. I blame the lack of a line, decisions of coaching staff and overall management. The Colts ruined him. When you get a QB like that, you protect him at all cost. And the Colts never did that.
I have to appreciate you making a video like this, if for no other reason than you KNOW full well you can't make it without talking about another dark moment in the history of your favorite team.
I also never thought about the Robert Griffin III tragedy like that before. I always thought that management completely screwed him after his injury, but I guess there's another side of the story. That definitely explains why he never had a resurgence after he left Washington, much as I wanted him to. (....Well, that and he kept getting extra injuries on top of his old one... So I'd still say it's mostly tragic and not what he deserved.)
Nick Foles was so good that I was bummed that he got Benched for Sam Bradford. Once he made his Return it was Legendary. His Statue of when he Said to Coach Peterson "You want to do the Philly Philly?" is Displayed at the Stadium. God Bless the Saint Nick!
He wasn’t benched for Bradford. Chip Kelly traded Foles to Rams in exchange for Bradford to replace him.
@@ErikCB912 I completely forgot that he got Traded.
this new year keeps getting better, thanks KTO!
Thanks to the Colts lack of an O Line, Luck’s insides were turned to jelly
Correction: Ryan Tannehill was not a receiver when he went to A&M. He was a QB who was beat out by Jerrod Johnson. Tannehill wanted to play, so they had him play wide receiver and due to his athleticism, he shined at WR, but he still attended the QB room meetings and was still listed as a backup QB. When Jerrod Johnson got injured, Tannehill got his chance and was spectacular. He played midway through his junior year and all of his senior year. Sorry, but I think it's important to correct the record. Tannehill was handicapped the first part of his career at Miami with an incompetent owner, head coaching carousel, and porous O-LIne.
I’d say Wilson interception in the super bowl was pretty memorable
Yes
Greatest football channel out there. Great work
If you’re taken to replace Peyton Manning and live up to the hype you’re definitely worth it. Such a shame Andrew Lucks career was ruined by injuries.
despite not having great numbers and also retiring I think Osweiler had a really good time for himself.Got a massive contract and got a superbowl ring by covering for manning in the playoffs then ran to the bank at 30. Well done!
Andrew Luck one of my favorite QBs ever. I miss him, hope he’s doing good
great to see you on trending been here since 100k
Luck hanged up the cleats too soon. He was the guy, the next generational QB. Dude could've won multiple MvPs and perhaps SBs. But, just not with the Colts lol. If only he wasn't so banged up.
@Peters6221 Yup, I agree with you bud. It's unfortunate that the Colts was only able to get all the pieces together after Luck left. The current squad they got now would be terrifying with Luck under center.
The outro is always my fave part, keep it up!
Most memorable pass from this class is Wilson intercepted by Malcolm Butler at the goal line
I love the chuckle when you said "The Browns would go on to draft Johnny Manziel"
Selecting Brandon Weeden was such a Cleveland Brown’s thing to do.🤣
He was good in college
@@scottbeesley7988 Yeah all QBs were good in the Big12 little kid
Funny thing is he and Oklahoma State beat the sure thing Andrew Luck & Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl a few months before the draft.
@@Weezy10580 He was the best in the big 12 and tons of other good QBs came out of the big 12? He was probably drafted early, but the dude had pretty much no chance at the Browns. They were at peak dysfunction.
One of my favorite videos by far!
As a colts fan I 100% blame the team’s inability to protect Luck and draft an o-line. We let him down, not so much his play style
He quit on us mid preseason after we gave him one of the best lines in the league…stop making excuses for him.
@@robbyrdog I don’t know if you’ve ever had to extensive rehab on a reconstructed joint, but it’s about as bad as it gets. Not being able to pick your grandkids is not worth playing a game. He endured years of car crash like impact for his team until he couldn’t give anymore.
@@mxcnbigboyz619 he quit two weeks before the season started after we got him an amazing line…he went about quitting in a horrible way. You making excuses for him just shows how soft this generation is
@@robbyrdog i wasn’t a fan of how he left but he doesn’t owe you a damn thing, thinking he does shows how selfish and full of themselves your generation is
@@mxcnbigboyz619 that’s fine but he’s not getting any praise for being a quitter lmao soft asss 😂
I love tannehil, I’m a fins fan but he made me a football fan so that’s always gonna be my quarterback
Say what you want about Cousins. But he proved people wrong in this class and there’s no doubt from what he’s accomplished as a 4th rounder is a huge success
I agree he turned into a decent QB he’s made some mistakes in the playoffs but that happens
Edit: I used him for years in Washington as my QB he was a great fantasy QB back then
KTO this is the greatest qb class of our era. 90s babies
I would argue that the most memorable pass from this class was Malcolm Butler’s pick in SBXLIX
It’s Crazy to think it’s alr been ten years!
It’s crazy how good some drafts are even when there are weak QBs/other positions
Look no further than 2007 or 2011 (besides Newton)
Well, the QB spot is literally almost impossible to get right when it comes to these drafts. At the end of the day it either comes down to the player and his skills/work effort or the team and the scheme.
Do a shortest to tallest RBs video!! Sproles is one of my all time favorites
The most memorable pass made by someone in this draft class was made by an undrafted player, not by Dontari Poe. Case Keenum to Steffon Diggs in the playoffs, Keenum went undrafted out of Houston after graduating with the NCAA record for career passing yards.
Na, as unfortunately as it was, the most memorable pass was made by Russel Wilson at the end of Superbowl XLIX. That shit still wakes me up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night.
How do you go undrafted after breaking a record like that...?
I feel bad for Osweiler not getting any mention here. It was an injury that brought Manning back into that Broncos team. If anything, the Broncos improved with Brock at the helm. Even if his last start didn't prompt any great quarterback controversy.
The most memorable pass from the 2012 draft class is definitely Russell Wilson’s super bowl interception but alright
It’s always a great day when KTO drops a video
I'm a Packers fan, and I'll always give credit where it's due when it comes to Kirk Cousins. Everyone should. Arguably the most underrated QB in the league today.
It's always nice when KTO uploads
A lot of guys do what KTO does and they do it well. I can honestly say nobody in this genre on UA-cam ends videos better than KTO. As a former defensive lineman you gotta love it!
As a Colts fan this is why I hate Ryan Grigson so much. He ruined Luck’s career. Only if we had Ballard then
Most memorable play for me had to be the Russell Wilson pick on the 1 yard line in the superbowl
Both luck and griffin were screwed by their franchises. Luck got hit way too much and griffin still took a snap when he was clearly hurt then tore his acl; he was never the same.
Don't forget that the Panthers ended up with Cam because Luck stayed an extra year in college.
Imagine if this colts team still had Andrew luck
Exactly…screw that quitter.
For real, as a Colts fan it was obvious that Luck was an incredible player who was plagued with injuries and I don't blame him for retiring early.
I miss Andrew Luck 😭😭😭😭
I always assumed he would come back, and they did it to save money …but no he really was retired for good it’s sad he was truly elite
Videos are pure excellence bro
Imagine what Andrew Luck could have done with the personnel that Russel got
Alternate title: How Dontari Poe could've revolutionized the wildcat offense... but honestly great vid as always man!
As a die hard colts fan I miss luck 😭 he was that dude and grigson/pagano failed him miserably
Tannehill's career revival is pretty neat. He landed in the best possible situation for himself and has maximized it. Even with this season being a little rough, they're still vying for the top AFC playoff spot. Tennessee got a solid QB for a song when they traded for him.
The last portion of Wilson's rookie season seems rarely discussed. We knew in the Seattle region that he was turning into something special. I think it was the Chicago game where he led a 90 yard drive in the 4th quarter to tie the game, then another 90 yard drive in OT to win it. That was the "Oh wow" moment where his will to win was truly evident. Then they destroyed Arizona, Buffalo and San Francisco late in the season, beat RGIII in the playoffs and had one of the greatest 4th quarter comebacks against the Falcons the following week. It's a shame they couldn't stop Tony Gonzales of course. But Seattle fans went into 2013 knowing Wilson and that team was going to be special. The feeling that off season was unique and well, turned out to be correct.
After Andrew luck laid out that USC defender on the fumble recovery, I had a feeling he’d be special. It’s so sad to see how badly he was banged up. He could’ve been special. He could’ve made it to canton.
Loved the Easter egg at the end! 👌
never clicked on a vid so fast!
very true
I think another thing that contributed to Andrew Luck's early retirement was the Colts not building a good offensive line around him. They had a trash offensive line until they decided to pick Quinton Nelson which lead to him getting hit a lot
Every time I see that Weeden pick vs the Lions from 2013, another part of me dies inside knowing I was there in person to witness that. The worst pass in nfl history
Every time I think about what happened to Andrew Luck and RG III, I get sad. They were both so fun to watch until injuries derailed their careers.
The RPO with RG3 and Alferd Morris was literally unstoppable. It was a cheat code. Real ones know RG3 was Lamar before Lamar.
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