For longer runs the time difference between the two shoes will be much bigger. The $40 shoe will be more prone to injury and hard to finish a marathon , especially after that 20 mile mark.
I think super shoes are actually more injury prone. They are typically a lot less stable then average trainers to make lighter. But yeah its hard to argue the results and speed of the super shoes!
For real. When I started getting into running, I just had normal shoes. They were running looking shoes, so I thought it would be fine. On the second week, I got stress fractures on my feet. Running on proper running shoes is much better. Idk how the barefoot and minimalistic shoe enthusiasts withstand running like that.
@@Thepianoman77 I don’t either. But they say to start slow with those barefoot shoe and gradual increase mileage and pace. I will not spend years on this and find out it does not work. I will follow the mainstream marathon runners on cushion and bouncy shoes . 😊
I feel pretty much fresh the next day after a 10k run in the Alphafly. But I definitely need a day's rest if I run in any other shoes. Alphafly does magic to your legs, indeed!
they could be exactly as fast in time trial or workout but the difference is the leg damage from doing that. with the newer foams the legs feel fresher afterwards hence it is easier to be more consistent.
@@marvin2678 could be case by case. at first i was hesitant to try the new foams because of the price. then i finally give in and now most of my shoes from different brands are non eva foams. i used to feel beat up from 70-80km/week but now i consistently run 120km/week and i feel i could run more if i had more time available. my lower body doesn't feel beat up and runs are more enjoyable. lightstrike pro is my favorite but saucony's uppers fit my feet better
1 second of a difference is probably due to a factor such as headwind changes. Instead of making you run faster I think they’re designed to make you run for longer without getting sore quicker.
@@kibukaj2956 Well, if you run a few Klms and take a rest and after that you run again the same amount of klms, of course you're not going to be as fast as you were.. So we're kind of saying the same thing.
What's more important is which one provides more longevity, choose the one that makes your feet feel fresh after the run. And it's usually the one with the better midsole material.
I agres and the Nike Alphafly are only for high-competition running events and are very effective, not only due to the carbon fiber plate, but also because the rest of the shoe is very well constructed, which is why they were banned. Furthermore, to be lighter, they have little material in the sole, which is why they are not made for training.
Recently bought some Hoka Clifton 8s and comfort wise, the difference from my bargain bin running shoes was noticeable. But performance wise I think the difference is very small for a fun runner like me. Training harder will bring me way more success than buying more expensive shoes. But you could make a case for comfort and injury prevention being a long term benefit.
The biggest factors with brands like hoka, brooks, Saucony, and ASICS is their attention to the ergonomics. Nike tries a one for everyone style per activity with different offerings of technology, and it's not ideal for a person that doesn't have an average foot. What type of run will determine the foot drop, foam density, and roll. They add in things like gel under the heel, guide rails adjacent the heel to keep your foot positioned (protecting knees), the type of pronation you have is addressed in specific models of their shoes. There is no single "best shoe" overall, but if you tailor to your variables, you can easily find the best shoe for you specific to the activity you want to perform. Nikes aren't bad by any means, but I recommend trying a personalized shoe and see the difference. It's like the shoe is following your foot, not your foot following the shoe, if that makes sense.
Have been running since 1983. Not an elite but a reasonable club runner. The carbon shoes are expensive however the combination of carbon and foam is a game changer. They protect your body so much better. However, you only get out what you put in and that means lots of Kms , Tempo etc.
As a podiatrist, I personally think that Nike's newly expensive running shoes put the feet in an unnatural position, leaving your feet screwed in the long run. (See what I did there) Specifically, the tibials anterior muscles are inactivated and the Achilles tendon is shortened. And then I haven't even mentioned the effect on the tendon plate. Nike allows my children to study. So I will stop talking now.
They don’t necessarily make you faster they make you more efficient which can lead to you running faster. But having a cheap pair is necessary for normal day to day runs.
@@jimmybondy9450A difference of one second doesn't seem like a lot when you are talking about a single lap. Now scale that lap time up to a 3 hour marathon and the difference is 10 minutes
@@jimmybondy9450keeps your legs fresher while on the run. Not as sore after runs, which keeps you training longer. Also they better protecs from injuries.
Well, obviously injury risk is a question, but equally important is the sheer joy and desire to get out there to run, and stay out there running for longer and recover well... if the shoe makes me happy, it's worth it!!!
Shoes definitely make a difference. I did an experiment comparing the air zoom victories which are a super spike, the vaporfly, and the victory 5xc's which are basically a regular spike. I ran 6 reps of 300m at the same effort, going vaporfly>regular flat>super spike for 2 each. I ran 47, 46 in the vaporflys, 45 in the regular flats, and 43 in the super spikes. It makes a HUGE difference
A few seconds = huge difference? Nah mate, its jack all. Thats like buying an expensive bike that dont fit but buying into it and believing that will make you faster 😂 its called placebo effect. I can guarantee you kids in kenya with their sandals will smoke you with your super spikes 😂
@@PhiyackYuhA few seconds is a huge difference though? Especially in something as short as a 300. And yeah maybe some kids in Kenya would beat me, but I've only been training for a year and already have a 4:31 1600m. I never said it would make you a pro runner judt by putting them on. Also ur argument with the bike is actually really stupid, as anyone with half a brain can figure out that a better, more expensive bike does make you faster, same for shoes. It's not placebo either, placebo doesnt just take off 4 seconds from your times, if it were like 1 or 2 you would have an argument.
Just switched to Xero shoes. There’s so much difference. Edit: 7 months later. i haven't twisted my ankle a single time. i re-learned how to run, that sucked, but i just ran a 10k with an 8 min/mile pace (not great, but i started off not being able to run half a mile in barefoot shoes), and i don't get shin splints anymore. i do still occasionally get small nagging twinges in my knees if i don't go barefoot every once in a while though.
@@marvin2678 i'd look up "how to transition to barefoot shoes" if you want to be careful about it. i wasn't careful. i just switched. but i always went barefoot a lot.
@@maggie0285 you do indeed! no argument. i live in rural country with gravel roads and i feel every rock and pebble when i go for a walk or a run. i've just gotten used to it, i actually enjoy it! my only complain is that the shoes last like 20% as long as they advertise (1,000 miles, nobody gets 5,000 miles, that's just bs), and the company has some of the worst client relationships i've ever encountered. their phone menu is permanently inoperable, they don't contact back through email, and if you get the wrong product and try to send it back, you won't get a refund on the shoes or a replacement pair - you just send them back and NOTHING. For me: shoes 4.5/5 (would be a 5, but the stupid 5k mile tread warranty is just a lie) For me: customer service 0/5. really frustrating. blatently got the wrong productSSSSS and nothing was done about it. i'll still continue to buy from them, likely, but i'm still sore about my last purchase.
For most casual runners, the time differences are probably insignificant. However, wearing something that fits well and has the right cushioning for your needs will probably help to avoid injury and reduce fatigue and soreness. That's not necessarily a $300 supershoe but maybe a good trainer.
@@connorfletcher5201 uhhh what? When did I say they couldn’t? You can buy watts. It’s no different from buying a carbon bike or getting ceramic speed bearings. A better bike saves almost 30 minutes in an Ironman regardless of training readiness.
though the problem with Alphas is that they wear quite fast so I believe you can save yourself a bit more with getting a longer range shoe like the Invincible or the Zoomfly
definitely makes a lot of difference. I have flat foot on my left and I had an ankle injury on the right about 10 years back that didn't heal properly. When I used the normal 'gym' shoes, my ankle and the soles of my feet hurt after 5km. I bought proper running shoes and I've been running 10k+ a couple of times a week and it doesn't hurt at all. I am now an advocate for getting proper supportive running shoes@@_quixote
Good stuff the real difference is when you go from trainers to spikes. Weight difference and your gait (atleast my gait) is drastically improved in spikes (form is not as efficient in trainers).
Can we just take a second to talk about how savage his 1km pace is!? Granted it's a running workout and probably not a long distance pace, but damn dude!
you're a great runner , I get too tired after 3.2 miles at 8:40 per mile without stopping, it takes me like 27-28 mins for the whole 3.2 miles, I feel like if I could control my breathing I could go a lot more.
on the contrary, the more expensive a shoe is the more injuries there are. There is a stricly positive correlation between price and injuries rate. The more you feel the ground the less you get injured (but it has an impact on your muscles if you're not ready to endure it)
I would add even more: It is only with experience that you begin to take advantage of more expensive equipment. On the beginning I didn't feel any difference running cross-country in slightly stiff mountain shoes (absolutely not for running) and in regular running shoes - I found the running itself difficult. But when I got into shape and put on good cross-country shoes - the difference was huge.
I run in 30 dollar under armor shoes I am 11 so don’t judge but my fastest time with them for 1.5 miles is 8:25 which proves that if you work as hard as you can the higher end shoe won’t do you any better
@@John-nz6jb People run 5min miles all the time. the shorter the distance gets, the easier it is to go faster, as you don't have to sustain it for as long. In the US Army you have to average 6.5min per mile to get a perfect score, and people beat that all the time over multiple miles. If going only one mile guys easily get down around 5min. and if you run .62mile, they'd be even faster. No steroids required.
Biggest problem with your experiment is that the saving over 1km isn’t what the shows are necessarily designed to do. The majority of super shoes increase efficiency over longer distances
Expensive shoes might delay muscle fatigue but they do make you more injury prone. It's simple. The more advanced tech in your shoe, generally the more unnatural position your foot is in. Yeah you may have off a few seconds or minutes with expensive shoes depending on distance but would you do it at cost of potential injury?
Supershoes are not that much "faster", but they do allow much more training before injuries (running every day on hard surfaces, no worries) thus making athletes faster.
i do intensive trail running, i started 10 years ago and for 3-4 years i was using basic and cheap shoes.....no way....my legs where always paining somewhere....my feet was paining too much when i started to use Hoka's shoes in particular, but also Nike and Asics....it was not a matter of performance in a segment....it is that in 6 years i don't have any more single pain and, surely, i go faster (not so much, honestly) with top shoes well done mate😉😉
I think it's difficult to find good running shoes or trail runners in my case. Every foot is different as shoes differ in stability, width,.... you name it. You must find a shoe where the feeling is good. That's it (ans that's not an easy task with the endless variety that is out there).
I was professional fotball player and even in that sport you can notice a huge diference with high end shoes, of course it is not gonna make you betterm you can only get better working out, but makes you feel more comfotable and secure against injuries
The Nike Alphafly are only for high-competition running events and are very effective, not only due to the carbon fiber plate, but also because the rest of the shoe is very well constructed, which is why they were banned. Furthermore, to be lighter, they have little material in the sole, which is why they are not made for training.
When I bought a Gel Kayano-28 it was first time ever I had responsive compound in my running/jogging shoes. My avg. speed increased significantly. Traditional trail shoe without responsive compound -- avg. 6:00 - 7:00 min/km depending on terrain. Responsive compound - avg. 5:30 - 6:30 same route; same weather; same rest of gear. Spending money on the responsiveness of the shoe immediately increased my speed.
I have always run in the material type running shoe developed in the late 70s or early 80s. I did not believe the hype surrounding super shoes but was persuaded to try them. I did not go for the top of the line shoes but an entry model that has this special proprietary/Peebax foam only on the front half of the shoe & a stack of 27mm. I INSTANTLY KNOCKED 35 SECONDS OFF MY 5K, THE FOLLOWING WEEK I KNOCKED OFF 45s. I ran faster without even breaking them in! My next trainers are going to be of the full Peebax/proprietary foam; from front to back & with the FULL 40mm STACK AND PLATE! The guys in front of me are always wearing them, the guys behind me are wearing them - and I thought they were fools for spending so much money on a trainer!! I reiterate - STACK & FOAM.
@yatsuman just did, the only race I can find where any of them won within the last 20 years is Lorena Ramirez who won the Cerra Rojo UltraTrail 6 years ago. As I said before, COMPETITIVE races. This is not a competitive race. I've also seen that since then, she's started wearing shoes for some races, which means she likes them
@kd_76 there's little to no evidence that actually supports barefoot shoes or going barefoot is better. There's a lot of evidence that shows that regular shoes are better for running. So yes. That's all I got.
Literally, I run un sandals and i love It, muy feets are fresh all year(that is to good in Spain for the warm temperature), in trail It doesn't matter to much go minimalist ,the key is a good proteccion and ANY MORE, but in asphalt is hard, the absence of carbon plate and coushioning It will make it more difficult to acquaire fast paces.
If it avoids injuries it’ll make you faster. If it doesn’t the healthy food you can buy with the money saved will make you faster. 2 seconds isn’t much for the average person.
As an engineer I'd put it like this: modern sport science has gonevto such extremes that even average athlete is already at the extreme limit for human physical capacity. As in how muchvour biology is actually capable. This is because we have actually studied how capable it is and how. So you get in to a situation where winners and records are measures in decimals, near hundreds or even less of an decimal. To a degree that we near instrument uncertanty and calibration margins. So in this case if a special sock fabric gives you 0,1% edge when we measure to accuracy of 0,001% to findout the winner that is 100x factor. And if you save 1 second per 1 km, and if you did optimal 10km run that would be 10 seconds. Which would make you obvious winner. But from practical perspective. If the 300€ shoes make you run and train more, then get the shoes. If the comfort factor is what takes you over the edge, then do that is what it takes. I typed my grad out without much of an effort after I got a keyboard that I liked typing on. Then again, until that I had just used cheap keyboards. Boy was it different when all the keys just went down smooth and responded instantly.
i think its more so that you can run more effortlessly with the expensive shoes. impact is one of the most grueling parts of running so you’ll definitely get incrementally faster comparing to cheap shoes which don’t have the same tech
With the abrasive surface I have to run on both those shoes are going in the bin at about 150km. That's about $2 per km or $0.27 per km. As I run this distance, or more, every month that means a minimum of $3600 per year or $480 per year. Tougher more abrasive-resistant trail runners for $100 last 3 times longer. That's the sweet spot for me. Different shoes on race day.
For regular people the biggest difference it'll make is to your bank account, for professionals like kipchoge the margins are so fine and the distances are so long that these can make an important difference
I’ve seen plenty of runners with very expensive shoes and, as soon as you see them run, you know they have little to no experience. They can benefit more from some more training (or a coach) than a pair of expensive shoes. If you buy them because you have the money and want them, that is one thing and it’s fine. But if you buy them thinking that your time will improve substantially you are wasting your money. All those shoes with tech produce marginal gains which will have little to zero impact in most athletes.
The shoes are meant to push an ATHLETE a tad bit beyond their limit to keep a competitive edge. If you're a regular joe schmo it won't do a ton beyond creating bad running habits. (If you're just starting out)
as a student, i'm not rich. so i always bought those cheap china made shoes with brands that doesn't exist. at first it was okay because it was still new, but after a few months, my feet started to hurt and it was because the shoe soles became flatter and less bouncy. i then saved up and bought my first expensive branded shoes, under armour. and boy, they felt way better and more comfortable. months past and they're still in good condition. i run on the road, btw.
It makes a huge difference when you run anything over a half marathon especially during training. It definitely helps you with recovery which makes your training more consistent and that's what makes you better during competitions.
You will be fastest in what is most comfortable. Listen to your body. Your body knows what it needs. What is most comfortable is least likely to cause injury, no injury=no downtime=faster running.
I think you can run more volume and definitely higher intensities with the newer super shoes. That could be a game changer for some people. But most people just need to learn how to run.
Your test only focuses on short distances. You'd have to run much longer distances to truly see and feel the advantages of the Alphaflys. Speaking from my personal experience. And for some runners, Alphaflys are for the longer training days and race day.
As a heavy runner (102kg low body fat) i can tell ya alphafly changed my world, so comfy and kinda force ya to go faster, i do half for a bit over 2h once per week for my cardio and endurance training
Back when I was running cross-country mileage, I finally decided it would be worth it to pay for the 120 dollar version of my favorite 60 dollar running shoes. I returned them very soon. The only difference was a lot more cushion which made my feet too hot during practice. If the shoes fits nice, it's probably better to have new shoes every 400 miles than expensive versions anyways. Also, in practice, we tried not to do too many concrete days in a row and try to switch a wood chip path or something like doing repeats on the grass.
I will only run in carbon plated shoes now. My very first pair was the saucony pro 4s. Best feeling ever. Now I bought the endorphin elite for my races only. They even have carbon plated trail shoes. Hopefully the prices will eventually come down. $300 is a lot, but to me, if you love to run, it's worth it.
More training is not always better. Smarter training is. Super shoes just help you economise energy if you run properly in them. And then off training you recover faster so you are earlier ready for the next training load.
Here is the thing, when you have a lot of padding you protect your feet more, when you have less you transfer more energy to the ground, this make you faster and train you feet. The ideal is to go thinner and thinner as your leg get stronger.
For most folk, *ordinary* mid pack or even *better* runners losing a little weight? adding a few core etc sessions? running more off run-road training? Will be the best way to improve your running.... I AGREE. 👍
For long runs, the more expensive shoes make a huge difference. I ended up with a minor injury after nearly 20K with a pair of Adidas Energy Falcon, whereas I felt like I could run longer with a pair of EQ21. And those aren't even the highest tier from Adidas, such as the Adios Pro 3 or any model with ultraboost
The thing with the Elmore expensive shoes is more about injury prevention and recovery than anything else, and and increase in speed is just a bonus that comes with good quality.
For longer runs the time difference between the two shoes will be much bigger. The $40 shoe will be more prone to injury and hard to finish a marathon , especially after that 20 mile mark.
I think super shoes are actually more injury prone. They are typically a lot less stable then average trainers to make lighter. But yeah its hard to argue the results and speed of the super shoes!
The Alphafly makes me able to run at least one extra session every week. Way less leg pains.
For real. When I started getting into running, I just had normal shoes. They were running looking shoes, so I thought it would be fine. On the second week, I got stress fractures on my feet. Running on proper running shoes is much better.
Idk how the barefoot and minimalistic shoe enthusiasts withstand running like that.
@@Thepianoman77 I don’t either. But they say to start slow with those barefoot shoe and gradual increase mileage and pace. I will not spend years on this and find out it does not work. I will follow the mainstream marathon runners on cushion and bouncy shoes . 😊
@@redstonep7607 me too. My feet and legs feel healthier with all the squishy high stack shoes 🙂
Bro has the thickest Swedish accent
It’s Norwegian
I think it's Finland tho
@@user-gi8wd6fm2w definetly not
He is from Norway it says at info on his channel
Yeah
I feel pretty much fresh the next day after a 10k run in the Alphafly. But I definitely need a day's rest if I run in any other shoes. Alphafly does magic to your legs, indeed!
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What is a 10k run
@@fakemrtopfake2439 10 kilometer
Yeah they’re magically making you weaker and softer lol
@@SmedleyButlerII Thus Spoke a Troll!
they could be exactly as fast in time trial or workout but the difference is the leg damage from doing that. with the newer foams the legs feel fresher afterwards hence it is easier to be more consistent.
Also you don’t know how much part form of the day plays
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they are more likely to cause injry
@@marvin2678 could be case by case. at first i was hesitant to try the new foams because of the price. then i finally give in and now most of my shoes from different brands are non eva foams. i used to feel beat up from 70-80km/week but now i consistently run 120km/week and i feel i could run more if i had more time available. my lower body doesn't feel beat up and runs are more enjoyable. lightstrike pro is my favorite but saucony's uppers fit my feet better
@@marvin2678why
1 second of a difference is probably due to a factor such as headwind changes. Instead of making you run faster I think they’re designed to make you run for longer without getting sore quicker.
Absolutely. The durability and quality factor are the main differences especially for longer term use.
And it's only 6km
Bro, after 6 klms of running one is for sure tired ;-)
@@papakazasYou're all forgetting that no one can run at a perfectly precise speed. He probably just ran minimally slower in the other lap.
@@kibukaj2956 Well, if you run a few Klms and take a rest and after that you run again the same amount of klms, of course you're not going to be as fast as you were.. So we're kind of saying the same thing.
For a heart rate of 153, I cannot run faster than 7 minutes/km 😂
Measured today, it's even worse than that 🤦🏻♂️
Haha I can relate. For me it's around 7:45/km on that heart rate. 😂
12 minutes for me, I'm a fat fuck
My stride is short, because I am short. I will never run that fast unless I sprint 100 meters😂
Mine is 8:30/km
What's more important is which one provides more longevity, choose the one that makes your feet feel fresh after the run. And it's usually the one with the better midsole material.
I agres and the Nike Alphafly are only for high-competition running events and are very effective, not only due to the carbon fiber plate, but also because the rest of the shoe is very well constructed, which is why they were banned. Furthermore, to be lighter, they have little material in the sole, which is why they are not made for training.
@@guilhermevieira2373what would you recommend?
Im still using my ultraboost 19s, is an upgrade to mid lvl running shoes significant?
I would've been mind blown if you said you also did a blind test while running.
Fax💀
Lmao
Recently bought some Hoka Clifton 8s and comfort wise, the difference from my bargain bin running shoes was noticeable. But performance wise I think the difference is very small for a fun runner like me. Training harder will bring me way more success than buying more expensive shoes.
But you could make a case for comfort and injury prevention being a long term benefit.
Most definitely..
It's like putting formula 1 tires on a pick up truck....get shoes that make you wanna run, because that's the only way you'll get better at it
The biggest factors with brands like hoka, brooks, Saucony, and ASICS is their attention to the ergonomics. Nike tries a one for everyone style per activity with different offerings of technology, and it's not ideal for a person that doesn't have an average foot. What type of run will determine the foot drop, foam density, and roll. They add in things like gel under the heel, guide rails adjacent the heel to keep your foot positioned (protecting knees), the type of pronation you have is addressed in specific models of their shoes. There is no single "best shoe" overall, but if you tailor to your variables, you can easily find the best shoe for you specific to the activity you want to perform. Nikes aren't bad by any means, but I recommend trying a personalized shoe and see the difference. It's like the shoe is following your foot, not your foot following the shoe, if that makes sense.
Have been running since 1983. Not an elite but a reasonable club runner. The carbon shoes are expensive however the combination of carbon and foam is a game changer. They protect your body so much better. However, you only get out what you put in and that means lots of Kms , Tempo etc.
Sir, could you tell me with ones do You recommend?
As a podiatrist, I personally think that Nike's newly expensive running shoes put the feet in an unnatural position, leaving your feet screwed in the long run. (See what I did there) Specifically, the tibials anterior muscles are inactivated and the Achilles tendon is shortened. And then I haven't even mentioned the effect on the tendon plate. Nike allows my children to study. So I will stop talking now.
Agreed. As a barefoot shoe advocate this "technology" makes me cringe
@@lewieI run in both depending on pace and distance. There are seven days in my week, and many shows to mix up the training stimulus.
@@lewie every body is diferent, when ive tried barefoot my feet pain a lot, specially in the sole
most important thing a shoe can realisticly do is probably injury prevention
They don’t necessarily make you faster they make you more efficient which can lead to you running faster. But having a cheap pair is necessary for normal day to day runs.
153hr on 3m15s/km is mindblowing to me. I get around that hr on 6m30sec pace
Whats hr? Its not hour right?
@@lucasg.5534 heart rate
@@season8435 aaah okay thx
@@lucasg.5534 np mate
well i think i can do a bit faster on that hr
but 3.15… those people who do that, should be smth cybernetic
That 1 second can save you 260 dollars 💀
This video does a terrible job of showing the huge advantages modern, high-tech running shoes possess.
@@lukecarroll19which are?
@@jimmybondy9450A difference of one second doesn't seem like a lot when you are talking about a single lap. Now scale that lap time up to a 3 hour marathon and the difference is 10 minutes
@@jimmybondy9450keeps your legs fresher while on the run. Not as sore after runs, which keeps you training longer. Also they better protecs from injuries.
Well, obviously injury risk is a question, but equally important is the sheer joy and desire to get out there to run, and stay out there running for longer and recover well... if the shoe makes me happy, it's worth it!!!
I don't necessarily want to run for longer :) I just want to run my 8-10km forest trails a little faster / funnier :)
Shoes definitely make a difference. I did an experiment comparing the air zoom victories which are a super spike, the vaporfly, and the victory 5xc's which are basically a regular spike. I ran 6 reps of 300m at the same effort, going vaporfly>regular flat>super spike for 2 each. I ran 47, 46 in the vaporflys, 45 in the regular flats, and 43 in the super spikes. It makes a HUGE difference
A few seconds = huge difference? Nah mate, its jack all. Thats like buying an expensive bike that dont fit but buying into it and believing that will make you faster 😂 its called placebo effect. I can guarantee you kids in kenya with their sandals will smoke you with your super spikes 😂
@@dambuster_33 that dude I better never see him losing by a second if I do ima be pissed cause why oh well it’s only a second 😂
@@PhiyackYuhA few seconds is a huge difference though? Especially in something as short as a 300. And yeah maybe some kids in Kenya would beat me, but I've only been training for a year and already have a 4:31 1600m. I never said it would make you a pro runner judt by putting them on. Also ur argument with the bike is actually really stupid, as anyone with half a brain can figure out that a better, more expensive bike does make you faster, same for shoes. It's not placebo either, placebo doesnt just take off 4 seconds from your times, if it were like 1 or 2 you would have an argument.
@@PhiyackYuhdumbest comment I’ve read in a long while
I think the best thing about a good running shoe is that you feel good the next day and not sore
Just switched to Xero shoes. There’s so much difference.
Edit: 7 months later. i haven't twisted my ankle a single time. i re-learned how to run, that sucked, but i just ran a 10k with an 8 min/mile pace (not great, but i started off not being able to run half a mile in barefoot shoes), and i don't get shin splints anymore. i do still occasionally get small nagging twinges in my knees if i don't go barefoot every once in a while though.
Same! Only been a couple months and my knee pain is gone, I’m able to run again
how do i make sure is witch sdafely from walking in normal shoes to barefoot shoe s?
@@marvin2678 i'd look up "how to transition to barefoot shoes" if you want to be careful about it.
i wasn't careful. i just switched. but i always went barefoot a lot.
Buy XERO shoes if you enjoy feeling every single pebble or rock on the pavement. Also it's gonna cost about $125. Been there and done that---twice
@@maggie0285 you do indeed! no argument. i live in rural country with gravel roads and i feel every rock and pebble when i go for a walk or a run. i've just gotten used to it, i actually enjoy it!
my only complain is that the shoes last like 20% as long as they advertise (1,000 miles, nobody gets 5,000 miles, that's just bs), and the company has some of the worst client relationships i've ever encountered. their phone menu is permanently inoperable, they don't contact back through email, and if you get the wrong product and try to send it back, you won't get a refund on the shoes or a replacement pair - you just send them back and NOTHING.
For me: shoes 4.5/5 (would be a 5, but the stupid 5k mile tread warranty is just a lie)
For me: customer service 0/5. really frustrating. blatently got the wrong productSSSSS and nothing was done about it.
i'll still continue to buy from them, likely, but i'm still sore about my last purchase.
For most casual runners, the time differences are probably insignificant. However, wearing something that fits well and has the right cushioning for your needs will probably help to avoid injury and reduce fatigue and soreness. That's not necessarily a $300 supershoe but maybe a good trainer.
For casual runners the time differences are even more significant……
@@davidkaplan5517 definetley not
@@connorfletcher5201 they are. 4% of 5 hours is more than 2:20
@@davidkaplan5517 if non pros can run 2.30 marathon then someone of the same comparitive doesn’t need a supershoe they just need to train harder
@@connorfletcher5201 uhhh what? When did I say they couldn’t? You can buy watts. It’s no different from buying a carbon bike or getting ceramic speed bearings. A better bike saves almost 30 minutes in an Ironman regardless of training readiness.
I'd rather save my legs from injury and pay for the more expensive then pay for the cheap pair and feel like I need to go in for surgery the next day
though the problem with Alphas is that they wear quite fast so I believe you can save yourself a bit more with getting a longer range shoe like the Invincible or the Zoomfly
I don’t even have running shoes and my feet hurt for a few days earlier this week. Will running shoes help that much?
@@_quixote nope not at all, you need to do foot excercise and walk barefoot here and there
definitely makes a lot of difference. I have flat foot on my left and I had an ankle injury on the right about 10 years back that didn't heal properly. When I used the normal 'gym' shoes, my ankle and the soles of my feet hurt after 5km. I bought proper running shoes and I've been running 10k+ a couple of times a week and it doesn't hurt at all. I am now an advocate for getting proper supportive running shoes@@_quixote
Good stuff the real difference is when you go from trainers to spikes. Weight difference and your gait (atleast my gait) is drastically improved in spikes (form is not as efficient in trainers).
Can we just take a second to talk about how savage his 1km pace is!?
Granted it's a running workout and probably not a long distance pace, but damn dude!
I would say a good pair if shoes makes running much more enjoyable
The most Scandinavian sounding man I’ve ever heard 😂
For every sport though the skill is the most and most important but still the good equipment make your game easier,advanced,efficient and comfortable
you're a great runner , I get too tired after 3.2 miles at 8:40 per mile without stopping, it takes me like 27-28 mins for the whole 3.2 miles, I feel like if I could control my breathing I could go a lot more.
Run slower. Build your aerobic base, then try to run quicker!😁
Try interval sprints
Expensive shoes are also better at supporting foot and preventing injury or pain in foot
on the contrary, the more expensive a shoe is the more injuries there are. There is a stricly positive correlation between price and injuries rate. The more you feel the ground the less you get injured (but it has an impact on your muscles if you're not ready to endure it)
Try a marathon in both
I would add even more: It is only with experience that you begin to take advantage of more expensive equipment.
On the beginning I didn't feel any difference running cross-country in slightly stiff mountain shoes (absolutely not for running) and in regular running shoes - I found the running itself difficult. But when I got into shape and put on good cross-country shoes - the difference was huge.
Good gear can improve the experience of an activity, but should be the last thing you leverage when it comes to performance.
For me it’s not about which shoes make me run faster, but what shoes make it easier to maintain a faster pace
I run in 30 dollar under armor shoes I am 11 so don’t judge but my fastest time with them for 1.5 miles is 8:25 which proves that if you work as hard as you can the higher end shoe won’t do you any better
I think the difference is not in how fast you run but how fast you can recover
bro is no one gunna talk about how this guy ran a kilometre in almost 3 minutes
And this with a heartrate of 153 only
Actually am 15 and I can do it too.
But damn with 153 heart rate it’s crazy
3min to go 0.62 miles? Who cares.
I've know many guys who've run that fast.
Brouhaha toyou by those fine steroiders at Nike!😂
@@John-nz6jb People run 5min miles all the time.
the shorter the distance gets, the easier it is to go faster, as you don't have to sustain it for as long.
In the US Army you have to average 6.5min per mile to get a perfect score, and people beat that all the time over multiple miles. If going only one mile guys easily get down around 5min. and if you run .62mile, they'd be even faster. No steroids required.
Biggest problem with your experiment is that the saving over 1km isn’t what the shows are necessarily designed to do. The majority of super shoes increase efficiency over longer distances
3 minutes pace with 153 bpm, me running 8 minutes pace with 160 bpm
As a broke college student who can't afford expensive shoes i really appreciate the last message! :)
Definitely yes expensive shoes specially carbon fibre plated shoe makes you faster I tried myself and it is correct
Yes they are!
expensive shoes prevent injury and delay the onset of muscle fatigue which helps run longer.
No, they don't.
Expensive shoes might delay muscle fatigue but they do make you more injury prone. It's simple. The more advanced tech in your shoe, generally the more unnatural position your foot is in. Yeah you may have off a few seconds or minutes with expensive shoes depending on distance but would you do it at cost of potential injury?
Supershoes are not that much "faster", but they do allow much more training before injuries (running every day on hard surfaces, no worries) thus making athletes faster.
Yeah I totally agree on that!
Yeah I totally agree on that!
They are faster as well.
i do intensive trail running, i started 10 years ago and for 3-4 years i was using basic and cheap shoes.....no way....my legs where always paining somewhere....my feet was paining too much
when i started to use Hoka's shoes in particular, but also Nike and Asics....it was not a matter of performance in a segment....it is that in 6 years i don't have any more single pain
and, surely, i go faster (not so much, honestly) with top shoes
well done mate😉😉
I think it's difficult to find good running shoes or trail runners in my case.
Every foot is different as shoes differ in stability, width,.... you name it.
You must find a shoe where the feeling is good. That's it (ans that's not an easy task with the endless variety that is out there).
I was professional fotball player and even in that sport you can notice a huge diference with high end shoes, of course it is not gonna make you betterm you can only get better working out, but makes you feel more comfotable and secure against injuries
shoes are like tools, they don’t necessarily make you better but they make life so much easier
The Nike Alphafly are only for high-competition running events and are very effective, not only due to the carbon fiber plate, but also because the rest of the shoe is very well constructed, which is why they were banned. Furthermore, to be lighter, they have little material in the sole, which is why they are not made for training.
That’s pretty fast to run blindfolded
When I bought a Gel Kayano-28 it was first time ever I had responsive compound in my running/jogging shoes. My avg. speed increased significantly.
Traditional trail shoe without responsive compound -- avg. 6:00 - 7:00 min/km depending on terrain.
Responsive compound - avg. 5:30 - 6:30 same route; same weather; same rest of gear. Spending money on the responsiveness of the shoe immediately increased my speed.
I have always run in the material type running shoe developed in the late 70s or early 80s. I did not believe the hype surrounding super shoes but was persuaded to try them. I did not go for the top of the line shoes but an entry model that has this special proprietary/Peebax foam only on the front half of the shoe & a stack of 27mm. I INSTANTLY KNOCKED 35 SECONDS OFF MY 5K, THE FOLLOWING WEEK I KNOCKED OFF 45s. I ran faster without even breaking them in! My next trainers are going to be of the full Peebax/proprietary foam; from front to back & with the FULL 40mm STACK AND PLATE! The guys in front of me are always wearing them, the guys behind me are wearing them - and I thought they were fools for spending so much money on a trainer!! I reiterate - STACK & FOAM.
Yup it gives you smoothness and momentum, i owned few pairs of Jordan’s .. the best shoes till date jumping running just feels amazing
Run barefoot! Like the Mexican ultra marathon runners 🏃♀️
Dont see any of them winning competitive races though do you?
@@piggy6801 why don’t you do a little research then
@yatsuman just did, the only race I can find where any of them won within the last 20 years is Lorena Ramirez who won the Cerra Rojo UltraTrail 6 years ago. As I said before, COMPETITIVE races. This is not a competitive race. I've also seen that since then, she's started wearing shoes for some races, which means she likes them
@@piggy6801that’s all you got from your research?
@kd_76 there's little to no evidence that actually supports barefoot shoes or going barefoot is better. There's a lot of evidence that shows that regular shoes are better for running. So yes. That's all I got.
The stats are fair. No huge margin of errors that could cause massive outlier
I often run barefoot. Costliest shoe pair I have got is at 20$, usually keep it for attending program etc😅... This video is heart touching😆.....
Literally, I run un sandals and i love It, muy feets are fresh all year(that is to good in Spain for the warm temperature), in trail It doesn't matter to much go minimalist ,the key is a good proteccion and ANY MORE, but in asphalt is hard, the absence of carbon plate and coushioning It will make it more difficult to acquaire fast paces.
@@JC___04 how do i switch to running and walking barefoot or in barefootshoes safely?
Expensive equipment is like a cherry on top.
With proper dedication to training... yes carbon plate shoes make you faster
If it avoids injuries it’ll make you faster. If it doesn’t the healthy food you can buy with the money saved will make you faster. 2 seconds isn’t much for the average person.
Shoes never make you faster,they help to move faster if you are faster.
So they make you faster
@@splatoon9072 you missed the point
Not true
As an engineer I'd put it like this: modern sport science has gonevto such extremes that even average athlete is already at the extreme limit for human physical capacity. As in how muchvour biology is actually capable. This is because we have actually studied how capable it is and how. So you get in to a situation where winners and records are measures in decimals, near hundreds or even less of an decimal. To a degree that we near instrument uncertanty and calibration margins. So in this case if a special sock fabric gives you 0,1% edge when we measure to accuracy of 0,001% to findout the winner that is 100x factor.
And if you save 1 second per 1 km, and if you did optimal 10km run that would be 10 seconds. Which would make you obvious winner.
But from practical perspective. If the 300€ shoes make you run and train more, then get the shoes. If the comfort factor is what takes you over the edge, then do that is what it takes.
I typed my grad out without much of an effort after I got a keyboard that I liked typing on. Then again, until that I had just used cheap keyboards. Boy was it different when all the keys just went down smooth and responded instantly.
Those expensive shoes may not make you faster considerably. However it will make your knees last much longer
i think its more so that you can run more effortlessly with the expensive shoes. impact is one of the most grueling parts of running so you’ll definitely get incrementally faster comparing to cheap shoes which don’t have the same tech
I think everybody should read the book "La clinique du coureur". You made huge mistake in this video, like everybody in the comments.
J'ai scrollé longtemps en attendant ce commentaire :)
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This experiment needs more samples ,but I support your point 😬😬😬
Naiki
thats actually the correct pronunciation as it is referring to the greek god Niké. Not everything is in English🙃
Finally it's up to you spirit in your running hard training and your heart never give up
god bless you
Amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥 best video on them yet!!!
Blind test right up until he had to look where he was going.
The most important thing is the training but better equipment can give you a slight advantage
With the abrasive surface I have to run on both those shoes are going in the bin at about 150km. That's about $2 per km or $0.27 per km. As I run this distance, or more, every month that means a minimum of $3600 per year or $480 per year. Tougher more abrasive-resistant trail runners for $100 last 3 times longer. That's the sweet spot for me. Different shoes on race day.
For me the differnce is more, about 4% or 10 sec per km. Plus less soreness and quicker recovery.
I think you should wear whatever best fits you and your running style/terrain
For regular people the biggest difference it'll make is to your bank account, for professionals like kipchoge the margins are so fine and the distances are so long that these can make an important difference
I’ve seen plenty of runners with very expensive shoes and, as soon as you see them run, you know they have little to no experience. They can benefit more from some more training (or a coach) than a pair of expensive shoes. If you buy them because you have the money and want them, that is one thing and it’s fine. But if you buy them thinking that your time will improve substantially you are wasting your money. All those shoes with tech produce marginal gains which will have little to zero impact in most athletes.
Your thingies when you laugh they go bobboli bobboli bobboli.
Coming from a cycling background, I believe that the same conclusion can be drawn on cheap and expensive bicycles.
Training is the key
Having the best shoes is just a bonus, skills really that matter
The shoes are meant to push an ATHLETE a tad bit beyond their limit to keep a competitive edge. If you're a regular joe schmo it won't do a ton beyond creating bad running habits. (If you're just starting out)
there's an excellent video by a channel called "knowing better". I think It's called "manufacturing a better foot". I highly recommend it.
as a student, i'm not rich. so i always bought those cheap china made shoes with brands that doesn't exist. at first it was okay because it was still new, but after a few months, my feet started to hurt and it was because the shoe soles became flatter and less bouncy. i then saved up and bought my first expensive branded shoes, under armour. and boy, they felt way better and more comfortable. months past and they're still in good condition. i run on the road, btw.
Bro the way he runs @ at the 30 second mark of the video
It makes a huge difference when you run anything over a half marathon especially during training. It definitely helps you with recovery which makes your training more consistent and that's what makes you better during competitions.
You will be fastest in what is most comfortable. Listen to your body. Your body knows what it needs. What is most comfortable is least likely to cause injury, no injury=no downtime=faster running.
I think you can run more volume and definitely higher intensities with the newer super shoes. That could be a game changer for some people. But most people just need to learn how to run.
A great break down. Thank you.
The more i learn about running, expensive shoes is the cool kids flex vibe. Pro runner don't care what your shoes price as long you do it right
Your test only focuses on short distances. You'd have to run much longer distances to truly see and feel the advantages of the Alphaflys. Speaking from my personal experience. And for some runners, Alphaflys are for the longer training days and race day.
As a heavy runner (102kg low body fat) i can tell ya alphafly changed my world, so comfy and kinda force ya to go faster, i do half for a bit over 2h once per week for my cardio and endurance training
They do, mine gives me a minute better than regular shoes.
Back when I was running cross-country mileage, I finally decided it would be worth it to pay for the 120 dollar version of my favorite 60 dollar running shoes. I returned them very soon.
The only difference was a lot more cushion which made my feet too hot during practice.
If the shoes fits nice, it's probably better to have new shoes every 400 miles than expensive versions anyways. Also, in practice, we tried not to do too many concrete days in a row and try to switch a wood chip path or something like doing repeats on the grass.
I will only run in carbon plated shoes now. My very first pair was the saucony pro 4s. Best feeling ever. Now I bought the endorphin elite for my races only. They even have carbon plated trail shoes. Hopefully the prices will eventually come down. $300 is a lot, but to me, if you love to run, it's worth it.
More training is not always better. Smarter training is.
Super shoes just help you economise energy if you run properly in them. And then off training you recover faster so you are earlier ready for the next training load.
Ive begun running in barefoot shoes. Game changer. Feels great.
Here is the thing, when you have a lot of padding you protect your feet more, when you have less you transfer more energy to the ground, this make you faster and train you feet.
The ideal is to go thinner and thinner as your leg get stronger.
That's a 3 seconds difference on 3 kilometers and 42 seconds on a marathon. I'd say that's important to note
For most folk, *ordinary* mid pack or even *better* runners losing a little weight? adding a few core etc sessions? running more off run-road training? Will be the best way to improve your running.... I AGREE. 👍
If I tried a blind test in running shoes I'd end up in the neighbors pool
For long runs, the more expensive shoes make a huge difference. I ended up with a minor injury after nearly 20K with a pair of Adidas Energy Falcon, whereas I felt like I could run longer with a pair of EQ21. And those aren't even the highest tier from Adidas, such as the Adios Pro 3 or any model with ultraboost
The way he swung his hands while running 🤣🤣🤣
The thing with the Elmore expensive shoes is more about injury prevention and recovery than anything else, and and increase in speed is just a bonus that comes with good quality.
Cheaper for training
Expensive for competition
Yeah I've had them 40 dollar shoes there really nice but don't get alot of comfort long distance