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Hey what is the exact model of the Technics SL 1200 that you tested here. As this original post is 4 years old many changes have been made. Thank you for pointing out the information that is very useful.
The 120 had since been discontinued but I just got me the new 120x USB and I used a CD to test the anti skate and it actually works! The arm starts sliding when I adjust the antiskate knob one way and the arm moves the other way when I twist the knob the opposite way and when I adjust it right it stays in one place! I'm glad I never considered the old 120 (because I was aware the antiskate wasn't functional) but I'm happy to report Audio Technica fixed the antiskate issue with the 120x.
I'm glad to hear the new one actually works. Hopefully it stays that way, because mine worked (in a way) in the beginning before it completely went out. AT really should have been all over this a long time ago, and the fact that 10+ years went by with millions of poor products sold, myself and many others got suckered into the lies. I'm just relieved that I learned from my mistakes and can be a voice to others.
I will say, the new 120's aren't that great either, even with anti-skate funtioning. The build quality seems even worse than the original 120 and the motor failed on mine after just 2 years. Save yourself the hassel and just get a Technics. I got the SL-1200MK3D and couldn't be happier.
My dad has a Technics SL-1200 from 1990 and it still works perfectly today 30 years later! He mainly now uses it for digitising vinyl records from his collection and it does a perfect job of it as he currently has an expensive professional grade stylus on it which makes it extremely ideal for digitising records! :)
Hi, the anti skate adjustment is working perfectly in my LP120X USB, just like the Technics. May be LP120 had this issue. Thanks a lot for this video. My calibration was way out (the arm was moving away to the edges). Did the calibration with a CD as shown in your video. Thanks again.
You always keep it honest Chad! "I treat my electronics like glass" is a great quote! I do too, and this is why I've been able to keep my now "vintage" system for over 30 years (with minor or no major fixes or repair). My belt driven German manufactured turntable, despite its years of use, still performs magnificently. I only wish it had a 78 speed. Over the years, I've been gifted numerous very vintage shellac records. I'd like to purchase another turntable which includes 78rpm, but it seems AUDIO TECHNICA has overrun the market. I'm in no rush. Anyway, there are many of us who trust your evaluations. Those Doubting Thomases, well, good you addressed them. I found it comedic. Chad, your honesty is trusted by many, and we have faith in your integrity. Thank you!
Thank you Jon. Your appreciation means a lot! I hope more people in time see my intentions and what I'm doing as a means to help others. Those vintage systems that you have are the only way to go. As far as 78 rpm playback, Technics recently released their MK7 model which has a 78 rpm playback. I think we will see more of Shellac playback options coming back. Thank you again for your comment, and all of the support you have shown me.
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I have this AT-LP120. Everything you are saying here is true! I've never seen such a cheap piece of $hit! I took out the preamp, raised the platter height by adding a cork and acrylic mat and lowered the cartridge with a shim...installed a heavier counter weight on the tone arm...changed the cartridge wires with silver ones..about to in install an MP-110 cartridge....as for the anti-skate. I've ordered the "upgrade" spring for the tone arm that I'll have to install myself. I got this TT as a gift. I wish I had never started customizing it and just chucked it and bought a better made TT. That being said...I've manged to get this piece of crap to sound pretty darn nice.
@@cjsvinyl This TT has turned into a hobby, to see how much better I can make the thing work. Now if only I can sneak in a different TT that actually can be adjusted properly. Do you have a preference? I don't see anything worth getting into for under 500 bucks...
@@cjsvinyl I've had belt driven TT's in the past. I'm 61 years old. I've had some nice one's. They came and went... Going thru buying houses and raising kids...time slips away. Thank God I took good care of my vinyl albums, which I have plenty! Now I need to figure out how to sneak a better TT into the house and what to do with this Audio Technica Frankenstein. It's really not that bad now. I like the Fluance TT's I'd go up a lot more than the one you recommended. Right now I'm running this TT through an Adcom GTP- 500 preamp or a Schiit Manin....into an Adcom GFA-555 high current amp and into some massive JSE Ifinite Slope model 2 speakers... Thank you.
As a DJ of many years, this turntable is a joke! It has so many faults I would never recommend them, period! A 40 year old 1200 works just as well. I've actually seen one that a guy uses when fixing phono inputs on domestic amps or mixers. It looks old and dirty but if you bought a new lid and had it thoroughly cleaned, it'd run for another 40 years! I bought a brand new Technics SL1200 MK2 with an Ortofon Blue cartridge I bought for playback use only and it looks wonderful! I did get a Stanton ST150 with a curved tone arm to review here in Australia where I live and this deck is fantastic! After giving it a full once over, any DJ will love this deck! I then plugged it in using my phono input and like the 1200 it is as quiet as a church mouse! No cogging, no wow, no flutter but more importantly no acoustic feedback, even in a cued position I could not get it to feedback. It weighs a frigging tonne and any nightclub should get these for vinyl DJs. My final thought on all the decks today is that if it wasn't for the SL1200MK2, none of this clone worship would be happening! The Audio/Technica looks almost exactly the same as a 1200. That unfortunately is where the similarity ends! I do not like this turntable! Imagine if you were spinning with two of these in a club and the stop/start button failed? Nup! As an audio/visual engineer I hate them!
Very good comparison review!! Thank you! I always knew the Technics was the best. The imitations to me never felt like they had the same quality, and u just proved it! Great job!
Thank you for your gratitude. A lot of people don't seem to understand why I created and released these videos. When you have thousands of comments on UA-cam and forums stating that the LP120 is better than the SL-1200, it's time to create the explanation.
Amigos yo tengo un SL-1800 MK2 Technics desde 1983 y la verdad que estos platos son eternos, este modelo fue lanzado al mercado junto con el SL-1700 MK2 (Semi automático) y el SL-1600 MK2 (Automático). El SL-1800 MK2 era manual. Al año del lanzamiento sacaron de producción el SL-1800 MK2 y sacaron el 1200 MK2. Diferencias entre ambos: El Pich del 1800 daba un rango de 6% mientras el 1200 era 8%. La base del 1200 fue mejorada con un soporte totalmente de goma para absorber mas las vibraciones aunque el 1800 tenia una suspensión con unos resortes y goma que no eran mala, pero fue mejorado en el 1200. La base del 1800 es igual en aluminio como en el 1200. El Pich lo hicieron en un botón deslizante que se ha mantenido así hasta nuestros días para el uso mas cómodo para los Dj, en el 1800 era una perilla redonda no es mala pero es mucho mejor como lo hicieron en el 1200. El motor y el brazo son exactamente los mismo y casi no ha variado a pesar de los años que tienen, indiscutiblemente Technics son los reyes. (Nota la base del AT-LP120 es de plástico lo que desmejora mucho la calidad del tornamesa)
I know I'm going against the grain here (and I've been a huge fan of all Technics audio equipment from way back in the day - I'm 56) but I've had my (two) LP120's for over seven years and the anti-skating works perfectly on both (using the CD test - thanks for that!). I never purchased them with the expectation that they would be better than or even the equal of the SL1200s - clearly they are not - but for me they have done (and continue to do) exactly what I was hoping for, which is to produce a good sound, remain totally reliable, be a joy to use and to be aesthetically pleasing, all at what I considered to be a really reasonable price at the time (£239 each in December 2014). The SL1200s are of course peerless but I've been absolutely delighted with my LP120s thus far.
Can they hold the pitch as good tho? Im interested on a new pair of those. I have 3x pairs technics already but hell y not they look nice. Been thinking bout 140s but everyone says they are inferior than the new 120s but who knows.
Very good comparison and the reason the Technics is a better turntable is that it was made in Japan versus the Audio-Technica that is made in China. I have an SL-1800 from 1979 and it still works and sound like brand new.
The Technics 1200 is ome of the best turntables ever made, without a doubt. Sorry to hear your issues with the AT LP120... mine so far is treating me very well, and the anti skate works great. I test mine through a few single sided vinyls I own.
I have a Audio Technica lp 120 and always thought it was a good sounding unit until I got a Technics SL1200 mk5 build is so much better and sound is better also the Audio Technica is a good turntable for the money but there is nothing like the Technics SL 1200 series thanks for this video I love your channel.
It'll be interesting to see if any of these issues the 120 has will be fixed with the 120X AT just announced at CES. I suspect that at least the antiskate problem will be fixed, since allegedly the newer 120's have the problem fixed (still haven't found anything overly reliable to confirm that). They also claim the preamp was improved, but it's still in the signal path even when it's off, so it's probably still going to color the sound. I actually emailed AT about that last one, and they said that it was supposedly impossible to do it any other way because of how they ground the tonearm.
Thanks so much. Excellent comparison. I owned both sets of turntables for mixing in my DJ days. No comparison. The Technics does out perform period, as it should at these price points. It would be interesting to see how Audio -Technica’s best would do. The AT-LP 1240 for instance. Mostly to see if the anti-skate is rectified in that model, wow flutter and frequency response. Just thinking out loud. Thanks again!
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to spray a rubberized coating underneath the aluminum platter of the AT120. I currently own two ATLP60x tables & have played thousands of records on them & the only problem was one of the units external power supplies failed the 1st week & Audio Technica sent a brand new one. Here's my thing I can't hear a difference in the sound of a 1200 or a 120 & from my experience with the 60s series reliability hasn't been an issue with Audio Technica.
Thanks for the info. I was curious about the AT turntable, but you answered all my questions. It looks like it might be a nice possibility for playing 78's, but not much more.
Glad to have helped you. If you can, 1) find shellac records that are still playable, and 2) a 3 mil stylus and cartridge head designed for playing 78's, you make sure to let me know!
Technics is hard to beat...I have an SL-23 belt drive table that I bought in 1976 and it is still giving me great service. I recently acquired an SL1200-MKII and was bale to compare the two playing first one and the other using the same album. The sound quality from the SL-23 is nearly as good, if not on par with the infamous SL1200-MKII...to me that says a lot about Technics and the quality of their turntables, at least for these two turntables.
It gets really difficult. I've had a lot of REALLY _"wild"_ people commenting on my videos, and over time it's really been catching up with me. I respond to people because I legitimately want to help them so they don't run into the same problems I have, but instead I've had some messed up things said to me over time. Good times!
Yes the anti-skate doesnt work on my AT LP120 but it was a good 200 - 300$ cheaper than a Technics. For most part it plays my records just fine. Not all of us are made of money!
No one is saying you are, or should be. The point of this video is to provide informative details so you at least have the truth. The rest is up to you. Also, the price tag of Technics SL-1200 is not always as high as you make it sound. We purchased ours on Ebay for only 300.00 more than what we paid for the LP120. You just have to do research, and you can find EX+ graded SL-1200's for around the same price if you just look.
I’m not gonna say anything bad about the LP120. However used 1200’s can be found for the price of an LP120 or close to it. Back in 2015 I bought a 1200 mK2 in great condition for $225. Last year I replaced it with a m5g in like new condition that I scored for $300, the same price as a LP120.
Great video Chad! Apples and Oranges. Japanese quality vs Chinese cheap labor and parts. And it shows. Both brands have there place!! The AT people aren't ever going to admit that there are too many issues with Chinese turntables. They are PRICE FIRST consumers. The lower the better. I recently got the Technics SL-1200GR. After 3 years of looking at dozens of tt's I upgraded from my 1983 Technics SL-QX300. Sticking with Technics. And after 35 years my start/stop button has NEVER gone down on my SL-QX300. Just sayin'.
Great review! Kinda set me back from buying an used LP-120. I currently have an LP-60 and I'm more than happy since I started with a Crosley type and I got a Gemini (belt drive) which was a piece of crap. Reality is many used turntables are expensive on my country. The cheapest Technics SL1200 I found is in crap state, abused and such and selling for 450$!
I literally just checked Ebay and found 6 different SL-1200's between 285 - 500 a few that only had very minor wear and tear, and the others looked completely spotless, fully-functional decks. You just have to keep checking, they're scattered all over the world.
I have a At-LP120X (X is important) and need to say this modification is far better than old 120 version. - anti skating is functional and works well with any test (CD or VIDEO discs) - more solid body - no problem with direct drive motor - built in preamp is working good, I think.
My LP120's anti-skate worked in the beginning too. It doesn't mean your anti-skate will work indefinitely. The 'X' version also removed the height adjustment dial so now VTA is worse than ever. The pop-up light is now a detachable plug that you have to plug in every time you want an indicator light on that cartridge. The body is the same ABS plastic as the LP120, so it's not more solid. The 45 adapter is now plastic so it's the same as the LP60. Give the motor time, I'm sure it will eventually short out. You don't pay 50.00 less for the LP120x and expect for the motor to be stronger. Internal preamps are a horrible substitute for an external preamp/amplifier. The point is experiencing Hi-Fi, not reducing sound to CD. There's no point in listening if you aren't going to embrace it for what it's supposed to be.
Great video! I knew a guy that had one of those imitation turntables a few years back and was doing a dj event when one his decks started shorting out on him. It wasn't an LP120, but it was one of those 1200 wannabe copies. Really messed up the whole evening for everyone! Videos like this help to remind people why those imitation decks are no good. The real SL1200 has the quality motor, and solid build that everyone needs. Thanks for making this!
Started DJing in the mid 80's with a pair of SLBD22's. Quickly upgraded to a set of gently used 1200MK2's with 680EL needles/carts. Those 12's were bulletproof back then, and they STILL work flawlessly now in 2021 (do the math). That's the legendary Tech 1200 build quality for ya. Of course my choice of needles have changed over the years (Ortofon Elektro's and Gold's now). Anyway, when I hear someone complain about the cost of a new 1200, or a used one in good condition, I just laugh. Considering a 1200 Mk2/3/4 (whatever) will likely be the last turntable someone would ever own, their price no longer seems too expensive... well, except for the limited edition 1200G/GAE. lol
i picked up a 2nd hand set of 1210 mkII recently in pretty much mint condition for £1300. it is still the king of dj turntables in my opinion and like you say, it's the last turntable you'll ever need to buy. they're practically indestructible and as such are an investment
Yep Bought my pair in 1997 for 650 swiss francs each and they still run like when ibought them Quality has his price but they will last forever..(25 Years now with almost daily use)
Unfortunately it's not. There's multiple users uploading new videos of the LP120x still having anti-skate problems. Plus, my LP120 worked in the beginning. It took a few months before it went completely out, so just because it works out of the box, doesn't mean it's going to keep working down the road. My SL-1200 is more than 16 years old, and it still works better than any brand new LP120, and will continue to indefinitely.
Hahaha the people hating on the anti skate test are probably just mad because they own the at120 and feel like you are talking trash when you are just stating facts. Glad i saw your videos, great review, was very close to buying the at120 and will now try to find a sl1200 techincs if i can find a good price.. thanks!
Dog on it I'm mad cause I spent days searching for a decent turntable and didn't come across this video and the one that preceeded this one until after I thought I was making the right decision and purchasing the AT-120. 😕😟
I thought I would also put my trust into them. Everyone praised the LP120, and in the beginning so did I, but I was wrong, and so is anyone else who lifts up AT garbage. I promise you, just budget your money properly and buy a used one from Ebay. You won't regret it.
0:18 YYYYYYYEP!!!! Man I just won't get how people can take the risks. If you're going to buy a turntable like this one, JUST BUY A USED SL-1200 ON EBAY!
Start/Stop button already broke? Well, they lost my money. Excellent video, I wish more reviewers were this thorough with their tests. I really appreciate it.
That doesn't matter now, or any other time in existence. That's not the point of this video, and never has been. I'm so tired and annoyed of people not using common sense when it comes to this comparison video. It's so simple and people like you complicate it.
I legitimately don't understand why people buy these AT turntables. Even a humble vintage Technics SL-D2 will absolutely smoke this AT deck. Look up the specs and you'll see. And you can buy a nice one for half the price of this AT. And they're virtually indestructible.
Well, I can look up what the specs were 40 years ago on a vintage turntable; that doesn't mean that's what they are today. I prefer new, even though they probably "don't build them the way they used to"; at least I know I won't be greeting the repairman on a first name basis. New is new and old is old. I can buy a 30 year old Volvo for much less than a new car, but if I've got a job to do driving across the country, I know which one I'm taking . . .
@@fredberger3155 Completely incorrect in this case. We've owned our *USED* Technics SL-1200 for the last 4 years with absolutely 0 flaws of any kind. Unless you ignored this video, this was a *BRAND NEW* AT-LP120 that we had purchased, never did anything to it, and I still had to send it back to AT to repair the Start/Stop button. Your comment is void.
well part two just answered my question i left on part 1, looks like ill be pre ordering the Technics SL-1200M7L 50th anniversary edition. now my decision comes to what color do I want to go with. thanks again for making this video as I'm getting into vinyl for the first time ever at the age of 38 I greatly appreciate your honest feedback on these turn tables. 🙇♂️🙏
The sl-1200 has heirloom quality built into it. The cockroach of turntables if you will. They tend to run for decades without issue. Highly adjustable and gentle on records. Any turntable with a non functioning anti-skate is slowly carving up the groove. Fix it or flip it.
You were spot on with your comparison. I watched and commented on your previous video and still hate this POS. I'm waiting on my Technics SL-Q2 that I won from Goodwill that I'm going to refurbish that is going to replace my AT-LP120. My main TT is my Rega P2 sitting by my Pioneer PL-7 from 1981. My PL-7 runs circles around the AT-LP120 and always recommend viewers to stay away from the AT-LP120. Mine has the motor pulsation noise even after putting in a new motor that I bought from AT. Just plain junk! Great video!
The anti-skating issue of the LP120 has been fixed now. I bought mine about a year ago, and i even have to set the anti-skating a bit lower than the tracking force.
Well, yeah fixed now after 10+ years of selling millions of defective units world-wide. Not to mention, there was no recall done on any of the defective units that are still floating around out there, so you're still not guaranteed to get a functioning deck yet. That tells me exactly what kind of company Audio Technica is.
@@MrBaxterrify You might want to do more than just test it. You may want to see some other videos of people on UA-cam that bought it, had it for a while, and then a few months started having problems with it. Ever since my response to mr. blackmore, I've noticed a lot of problems from people on forums and others on UA-cam that say the lp120x still does not function the way it should for the long haul.
@@cjsvinyl That's what I am afraid of because getting that kind of player is expensive-at least for me. I might have to settle for the Project essential 2. You see, the reason why I want to buy the lp 120 is for convenience since it has a built-in amplifier. But, if the quality looks like the ones I see in youtube, then I am getting cold feet :(
@@MrBaxterrify The Pro-ject Essential II sounds great! Granted I've never used it, but I'm thoroughly familiar with Pro-Ject and the fact that they have much better turntables than Audio Technica that you can know for sure. Have you also considered the Fluance line? The Fluance RT 82 or the 83 may be a much nicer bet for what you're looking for. If you're okay going vintage, look at the Thorens TD-160. Solid as a rock!
The Audio Technica is a Hanpin. Nothing more, nothing less. The motor has baked in rumble, nothing can be done about it. It has a wobbly platter, the tone arm has play on the bearings, the speed is not spot on like a Technics, it is a plastic affair, the plinth is entirely made of plastic. It gets its weight from a slab of steel on the bottom of the hollow plinth so no dampening at all. Many earlier units have a barely working anti skate. The only good part of the product is the cartridge it comes with. For the price the cartridge performs quite well but it is not able to lift the total package to an acceptable level. It is a shame Audio Technica wants its name on the product. Having said that, for the occasional user who ony want to digitise records it may be a cheap way to do it. For the serious listener, the audiophile and the dj alike, I would not reccommend it.
A very honest, direct, and to the point comment. I used to think Audio Technica products were at least worth the try, but the only thing I have going for me, is that I can say I not only tried them, but I owned them, used them daily, and as such ended up learning the hard way. I wish more people understood my intentions in these videos.
10:10 Showing the waveforms was indeed helpful, but what this actually shows is that the Technics has superior dynamic range-the peak amplitude is greater, and so you are hearing a better and wider representation of the dynamics on the record. Still definitely an advantage for the Technics, but it has nothing to do with frequency response.
@@cjsvinyl i just bought my first ever Technics SL 1200MK2 and I AM SO EXCITED!! thank you again! do you have any videos on dust covers by chance or where to get some cheap good ones? and for calibrating needle / cartridge / anti-skate?
Loved this video CJ! I’m getting a SL-1200MK7 and am looking forward to it. I have the 120 currently and was turned off by the customer service from AT. My platter was warped.. they acknowledged it was a known issue and did nothing .. like you said.. it’s about investing in quality
I didn't know either that the LP120 would be as bad as it is. After experiencing significant problems with mine, the only option for me was the SL-1200. I would be very curious to see your general thoughts about it. Thanks for your comments and your support!
I think the biggest difference between the techs and the super oem’s is lifespan... My technics have kicking around longer than super oem’s have existed without a hiccup other than a rca than needs to be changed on one. Over 10 years of use and I bought them 2nd hand. The super oem’s are still pretty great in comparison to what was around before them... but you have to take in mind that they are all built off of technics patent anyway and I have yet to see any super oem’s that hold the same lifespan. Though I would love to see your opinion of the old vestax PDX series.
I own a GLI pro, and have had my issues with it. The pitch is not working properly. When I slide it to 0, it’s faster so I gotta lower the pitch to 2.5 to get it to sound regular. And the anti skate is crazy as well. I was thinking of getting a lp120 to replace this one. I’ve watched other reviews of people praising it but they seem like beginners and never seen a Technics 1200 in action. Thanks to this I think I’ll save my money and get a Technics.
I don't remember when I bought my SL1200 Mk2's (It may have been around 1990), but they still work fantastic. I wasn't a gigging DJ anymore when I bought them (just wanted something to record and keep my skills sharp), so I'm glad to say that the RCA cables haven't gone bad either, thanks to light use. Sure, there are a lot of decent alternatives, but the king will always be the king... Which is why I'm shocked that Technics has made these so inaccessible. The price alone is probably a good reason why a lot of young DJ's would rather just get an all in one mixer/digital players instead of opting for a DVS system with real turntables. Granted, I know they've probably haven't sold a ton of these, and yeah, it's probably the "old DJ" in me, but I feel like it's just another art form from another time that will just get lost, you know?
Young DJ's doesn't use records anymore sadly . Just watch the DJ's at TommorowLand for example , none of them use turntables they have all laptops, usb sticks , etc.. by the rare exception from a couple of artists that still use turntables just for the show . I can go further into the world of records and turntables is that it is too late to spend so many money to figure out a CD is better suited . Sadly today the trick of nostalgia is way too expensive and is honestly not more a hobby anymore . Also if you are buying records today to sell them decades later well it's too late the value will decrease by some rare exception records that goes for above $5000 but todays new records will never go that high in second hand sellings anymore . People today are only following trends instead to ask themselves if it's worth to start the journey . Me too i don't like how Technics made their turntables way too expensive since 2005 to today is beyond me . I remember i bought two new SL-1200MKII in 1997 they were for 650Euros each ( conversion of Belgian francs , i'm belgian ) which i still have them . I also have a Stanton STR-80 that had reverse function but never used it to be honest .
I have a question pertaining to features. What I like about either turntable are the manual features and controls, allowing you to have more direct manipulation of the table functions. However, when I was shopping for high-end turntables (your Clear Audio, etc.) I notice that these very expensive turntables, whether direct-or-belt-driven, have almost no controls beyond on/off and 33/45. No pitch control, nothing, not even 78RPM. *Would you happen to know why the higher-end turntables don't allow for all these manual control options?* Because it really irks me that they don't.
Many of these features are for DJ's. I'm not a DJ, but I'm obsessed with the SL-1200 design which was why I went with the LP120 in the beginning. Many of these features are realistically not even used unless you start back-masking, EQ mixing, or scratching. Pitch control is a timing mechanism, but it could also be used for "re-aligning" sound if you started having playback issues with your motor. I've never had that issue even when I had my LP120, so I don't feel that you're missing out on too much. As far as 78rpm playback, have you ever done that with shellac records? You also can't use a standard .7 mil stylus, but a cart with a 3 mil stylus attached. Those are typically very expensive, and not many available. If you have the means of doing it, then I suppose the 78 rpm feature would be desired, otherwise it's useless to any other records you own. I don't own any shellac records, so I never used that feature either. I wouldn't worry about it too much, those Clear Audio turntables are very high end and I see the value in them. If you're obsessed with the SL-1200 design like I am, then just buy a used SL-1200. I've still not had one issue with mine.
@@cjsvinyl I collect soundtracks and I've been able to find a number of them from the '40s, as well as some other albums of swing and jazz. Nothing particularly valuable, but I developed a habit of "rescuing" shellac records that are abandoned or thrown away,. particularly if they're clean and in good shape. Call me crazy, but I don't like the idea of something being thrown away simply because it's old or unpopular when it could be given a home. So having 78RPM to me seems like it should be standard feature even if the other features you mentioned aren't. But thanks for the feedback, I didn't realize that most people just wanted playback and speed control on their tables. I prefer knobs, switches, and dials up the whazoo because of the manual control.
@@Theomite Very cool! I definitely hear you on the collectable side. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of something either just based on being "unpopular" I was more referring to shellac records generally being in horrible shape due to severe wear and tear over time. Not only that, but you generally don't see many situations where people have properly cared for those kind of records and they just end up in a big dusty box stacked on top of one another, no sleeves, and exposed to the elements. Very sad, but if you can restore them, that's awesome! You sound like a very tactile person when you mentioned knobs and switches. I would HIGHLY recommend looking at the Technics SL-1300 or the 1600. Both of them have those very solid knobs and switches on the right and left sides. Although, not a 78rpm option that I'm aware of. Consider the Technics SL-1200 MK4 for 78rpm. More rare, but would have everything you're looking for. Otherwise, I believe the newer MK7 has these extra features including reverse playback. You would need to google that to be sure.
@@cjsvinyl. I've just found Your site to entertain me on a damp and rainy afternoon in England. I have a Trio/Kenwood KD1033 turntable which I bought in 1976 and which has been my faithful listening companion ever since - with no breakdowns. I currently have a Nagaoka MP110 cartridge on it. Now our other system is an old BSR music centre. Why? 'Cause I have got into 78's. I have Bing Crosby, and I have Fat's Waller. The BSR plays them. I am never gonna replace my beloved Trio Deck but have thought of buying an ATLP-120 precisely 'cause it has 78rpm and pitch control and the option of changing the cartridge for a dedicated 78rpm cartridge. Audio Technica manufacture a dedicated 78rpm cartridge that sells for £69.99. They also sell a dedicated mono cartridge. I have some mono Beatles records and a mono copy of John Mayall with Eric Clapton and was thinking of investing in an Audio Technica mono cartridge for them. I guess people new to record collecting should think about what they want to collect and why, and then buy a turntable that fits their collecting habits and fits their budget. P.S. I wont be getting rid of the BSR 'cause it's an autochanger stacker and is perfect for playing my 100 or so 1960's singles 6 at a time. 😃
@@Yardbirds777 Hello Yardbirds! A damp and rainy afternoon would certainly fulfill my pluviophile ways. I really wish I lived somewhere where it rained more. It's currently 10am here in the states, so it should be right around 3pm in England right now. I hope you are enjoying our videos, and will continue to. :) Our playlist page has everything categorized. That Kenwood Trio is a nice retro turntable! Beautiful, and important piece of audiophile history. They only made that model from 1975 to '79 if memory serves correctly. As for 78rpm playback, I could be completely off basis here, but wasn't there a vintage model called the Strathclyde STD350D or maybe it was the STD305D? I'm almost positive that one was equipped to play 33, 45, and 78rpm. It had a nice counterweight and easily-removable cartridge. You might check that one out if you're wanting something to play those shellac records of yours. I only want people to have the best options for their records long term, and if that's an LP120 for you, then go for it, but otherwise I would absolutely push for a different brand after the experiences that myself and others have had with AT products. Thanks for your words, and I hope you will come back, always feel free to stop in to hop on the conversations, and above all else, enjoy the music! :) *EDIT:* I forgot, cheers from the US!
I figured out why I was able to. Tt was unbalance, front lower than back, as soon as I balanced the tt, I couldn't adjust anti-skating. So I lowered the front again, about 3/16th inch. Now anti-skating is set.
I rate the SL1200 tecnics MK2 as the best turntable of all time.I bought a pair of them 1993.And the only thig I ever done to them were to . Connect one of the wire that go to the cartrige head.Nine years ago And they just keep on going none stop Still brand spanking new.
So many people don't realize that buying a used one would solve their problems. IE, I bought a brand new LP120 and it breaks in less than a year, but I bought good used SL-1200 and no problems since I purchased it in 2018. I have a nice, long road ahead of me with no problems with my SL-1200.
The point though is that you shouldn't have to do that. Also, people who have zero experience in electrical engineering, and have never opened anything like that up, aren't going to feel comfortable doing so.
If you want the good stuff you have to learn the art of delayed gratification when it comes to saving up for something you really want. Their's no short cuts, or substitutes for the real thing. Glad i saved up for a Numark TTX.
I've also have theese two turntables,my SL1210 works just just fine,The 120 has issues,you have mention some of the issues,but i have a Couple more.First The Platter are not strait,the platter is kind of dipping,it's tiny but it's irritating because you can in fact see the platter dipping on every spin,it's not suppose to be like that,(if it had been a plastic platter,i could have understand this),but this looks like aluminium,,so this feels wrong in my opinion. A second Issue i hava is that the headschell is a plastic shell,it came with the AT 95 E allready mounted as promise,but when the headshell is plastic,it's much more difficult to sett up the turntable,special the counterweight and the antiskating. I've tryed your way with a CD,and like yours 120,mine also failed the same way,tonearm skided into the Center,i tryed to adjust,but no luck,so i concider the antiskating is caput The Third issue with my 120,is yhat the USB hub doesn't work properly,i have downloadet the Audacity,and when i start recording in stereo,one channel just have a rumbeling noise,the other one sounds alright. I don't know if that is the computer or the turntable issue,but i think i might be the turntable. So my conclusion is tha the LP120 is not the deasent turntable as we think,just saying.
Great work on the video man. Being an LP-120 owner, the anti-skate test made me kind of cringe. Because I value my vinyl. But I only use mine to put music on my computer. For music listening I use my Rega Planar 1. Just got a Nagaoka MP-200 for it. Thanks for taking the time to make your great videos.
Oh man the Rega Planar 1!! You need to use that to back up your LP's, not the LP120. Just because the LP120 has a USB, doesn't mean that you have to use that to back up your music to your computer. I also do a demonstration video of how to backup your LP's just using the RCA cables. Your sound quality would be so much better if you recorded with your Rega.
This problem with the anti scating is typical for this and other OEM Turntables with this arm, so there was nothing wrong with your test. There are OEM Turntables that have wel functioning anti scating, for instance the Reloop RP-6000 or the Pioneer DJ PLX-1000. Good Turntables from other brands are easily recognized by this tone-arm, look at the way the bearings are build. These Turntables are build in South Korea at a very respectable manufacturer of professional audio, this arm can allso be found in some form on some hifi Turntables.
i think AT made some of these with a certain company and switched production to another company, that might explain why some are OK and some are not. There definitely are people out there with wharped ones too
i was thinking this too , i keep hearing about the anti skate not working on some of them and i tested mine and it works fine. there has to be a way to find out. Maybe my serial number or internal components.
Probably switched supplier in China ... A lot of Japanese product have issues coming from China in last few years. From Daikin AC units to hand wrist watches like Seiko and Citizen ... I do not know what is it but they started to cutting corners on Quality control checking massively ... For example dials on many quite pricey Seiko watches (outsourced abroad) are misaligned in quite large numbers nowadays to the point you really cant just order one hoping it is Seiko (Japanese company) would not allow it ... But things Made In Japan still holds reputation ! And with this new model of AT-LP120X when I saw that plastic adapter for 45, you can get the message where all this is going. It would be more consistent if they have not included it at all than supply the unit with this piece of plastic. I mean how expensive and over the budget it is to have aluminium piece !? The mindset behind this decision repels me from this product !
I agree with you 100% that Audio-Technica turntable is just a plastic toy for kids if you want a real!! OEM Super Turntable that's going to stand the test of time it...it will be most definitely a Technics sl 1200 or a Pioneer plx 1000
I would try the Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, cause thats got the dampening plate, & also doesn't use that USB, they got rid of that thank god, on the 140....... I recently bought a Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, & I love it so far, wish I owned a Technics 1200 tho, fa sho............ 👍👊💪🙏
Hello there. 2 years ago when i first got into vinyl i bought an AT LP60BT and just this week i found out that it seems to be a rather cheap product. Given that i knew nothing about record players it was a very uninformed purchase influenced by my local electronics salesman. wont trust him again. the stylus is pressing on the vinyl with half a gram too much force and i cant even adjust it. at least not easily since there is a tiny spring in the back that acts as the counter weight and isn't meant to be adjusted. now i don't think a half gram is that bad, but it still isn't perfect and i do like perfection. I did measure it with a dedicated stylus scale on height of the platter as to not bring any flas in the measurement because it would obviously read out even heavier the higher the stylus is measured because the spring would get released. That brought me down the rabbit hole of different/other/better record players. doesn't need to be direct drive either. but i thought about building one myself. and you seem to know a lot about the topic so i wanted to ask if you know a place where i could start to learn everything there is about turntables so i can come up with a design. or if i should scratch the idea and just save up to buy a decent technics or maybe dual player...
Yeah per the LP60 Stress Test video that I made, my LP60 tracking force started at exactly 3.00 grams, and over time increased to 4.24. Looking back, 3 grams was already too much, let alone the increase to 4.24. First I would recommend staying away from all audio technica turntables, and as far as direct drive turntables, avoid any SL-1200 imitation decks. I agree that belt-drive turntables are perfectly fine to stick with, and many swear that they sound better. Even when I had the LP60, I still recommended the U-Turn Orbit to people. It has a counter weight adjustment for controlling tracking force, a tonearm socket for swapping cartridges, a simple start and stop mechanism, and a very sleek look. The earlier releases of the U-turn Orbit should be your target. Those are the ones that do not have a built in preamp, whereas the newer ones now include a phono preamp. You don't want any audio filters added with the internal preamps. You definitely want to purchase a separate, external solution when it comes to a preamp/amplifier/receiver. Typically I would advise against any turntable that is 250.00 or lower, but the U-Turn Orbit is the exception to me. Still no where near the quality of the Pro-Ject Carbon, and galaxies away from the Rega Planar, but for someone on a budget, absolutely a great table! It comes in a lot of different colors, and upgrading to the acrylic platter your friends will have a hard time looking away from it. Ask yourself if you want powered speakers, or passive. Powered speakers are designed for a budget, and passive is the pursuit of audiophile quality, when you have a solid amplifier/receiver connected. Considering direct drive options, if it doesn't have to be a DJ-style deck, I would go for a different Technics table like the SL-1300 (Fully Automatic), the SL-1400 MK2, the SL-1600 is also really nice! Other options like a Thorens TD 160 is an excellent vintage table, the Fluance RT-82, the Denon DP 300F, and the Sansui FR-5080 (Fully-Automatic) are several affordable, but robust tables that come to mind. As far as places to learn more, I would avoid online forums. Those are basically immature kids, and sad "adults" with WAY too much time on their hands. I have an engineering background so a lot of the knowledge I have is based on past education and research. UA-cam is a pretty sad source for finding help too. I won't mention names, but there are people _(even the ones that have vast numbers of subscribers)_ that don't know as much as they lead on. You need to find one or more persons that you trust, and will talk to you like a person. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll do my best to help!
@@cjsvinyl you helped me a lot already. It's just that there is this huge war between people on a budged and hardcore audiophiles that swear they can hear the difference between a record cleaned by hand or cleaned by a Reginald washer (which you should otherwise it ain't worth the money) but yeah I am an Industrial Mechanic with extensive training in CNC machining so building one shouldn't be the issue in terms of actually building one. I think a driver and body should be rather easy. I would just buy an aftermarket tonearm and stylus. But that's the thing. I just need to understand what's important
@@cjsvinyl OK so I'll probably use a project carbon tone arm while making both the base and platter out of a thick cast iron plate. I work in a foundry so that would be the easiest thing to achieve and cast iron should have decent properties in terms of vibration resistance and weight. The challenge I am facing rn is how to power the platter. I'm not trying to make a full auto turntable. That would be too complicated for me but what I thought might work would be to use a 3 stage flip switch that powers one of three potentiometers that then get parallel wired to a motor so I can find tune the speeds and just flip the switch for convenience. The question I'm asking myself is what kind of motor I should get. The challenge is to find a strong yet silent and vibration free one. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
@@eccomi21 I must have missed something, as I thought you meant _"a new setup"_ being a different purchase of equipment, but this sounds like something out of Frankenstein. While I have an engineering background, I can't be of much help for a fully customizable (from scratch) build. Since this is a very custom build from the ground up, I can't tell which direction you'll be going, so the best advice I can give is to research and learn about as many different vintage, and modern tables as you can, to help you decide how you want to slice and dice your way to something very different. Best of luck!
I have an SL-1200 from the late 90s as my main table. It's bulletproof. Speed is dead on accurate and there's almost nothing to break on it. It was a relief after fighting with problems on cheaper tables. The only issue I ever had was that a corner of the soundproofing on the bottom of the platter started to peel, and it was rubbing on the housing below, but an X-acto knife fixed that. I got mine used in the early 2010s for cheap, because the vinyl community at large still looked down on them as "DJ tables" at the time. I consider myself lucky. Prices shot up shortly after and are considerably higher for a used deck now. I do know people with the AT LP-120, and they seem to have had better luck than you did for the most part... but the difference in build quality is still better on a Tec-12. There's no getting around it. One thing: could you fix the VTA on the AT LP-120 by putting a very thick mat on it?
The Audio Technica is a bad deck in many areas! As a matter of fact, 90% of turntables released today from a distance look exactly like a Technics SL-1200 MK2. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery! I have an SL-1200 MK2 brand new! To stop acoustic feedback, I have my deck resting on a marble slab which is resting on two angle brackets attached to the wall! Being a brick house, you can jump up and down in front of it and the turntable is not affected in any way! The 1200MK2 was released as an audiophile grade deck with a rubber mat that slopes down towards the centre to keep the inner section of a record away from the motor! Even though Matsushita electronics deny this, I believe that the Sl 1200s were engineered for nightclubs as well as radio stations and for private audiophile use! Why would an audiophile need pitch adjust, a separate start stop button when the 1700MK2 platter started turning as soon you moved the tone arm towards the record to play it? Something to consider!
Would have been cool if you flipped the phase of on of the side by side wave forms so we could have listened to the difference between the two players.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. I do a waveform comparison in *Part 1* between both of them, but if that's not what you are referring to, I'll need you to be more specific.
@cjsvinyl sorry I didn't mean to come off as hostile I did. I was just saying that if you took the two wave forms from both record players, inverted the phase on one of them, then summed them together into a single wave form, what you'll get is the difference in sound between the two. I think Audacity makes this pretty easy to do. The summed waveform wouldn't really be listenable, but if one record player has better highs than the other, the summed waveform would just be the highs that the other record player was unable to reproduce. You can probably read a better explanation on it than I can give you if you search "phase cancellation" on Google.
I got some "inside-out" cuts where you need to put the needle on the inside of the record and it needs to be played backwards in order not simply will remain in the inner end....:)
I am about to purchase my first ever turntable and was initially attracted to the LP120 as it seems to be recommended by many as a good entry-level turntable. However, after seeing this video I am reconsidering. What attracted me to the LP120 was that I didn't need an external preamp and could later purchase one if I decided to dive deeper into vinyl and was looking for more with my listening experience. I am not an audiophile by any means. I own a nice pair of Sennheiser headphones that have lasted me the past few years and continue to work. I guess what I am getting at is, do you think I should invest the time and money into a preowned SL-1200 rather than purchasing an LP120 and upgrading the stylus, the counterweight, the preamp, and anything else customizable down the line? I also want to know if you have any speaker recommendations for a beginner. Would there be a bottleneck if I were to have an SL-1200 with "entry-level speakers"?
Well, no matter what anyone else wants to say, ever since my eyes were opened, I'm not okay with any misdirection, and I promise you you've come to the right person. Based on your comment, I want to challenge you to think of a few other things first, so that you're going into the hobby for all the right reasons. First, ask yourself why you're wanting to get into vinyl records. There's obviously more reasons than just the music for people. If it is about the Hi-Fi experience for you, no built-in preamp will give that to you. I assure you, you'll only want to consider an external source for your sound booster, with no audio filters. Second, are you wanting to become a DJ, or are you like me, and merely obsessed with the layout of the SL-1200? If you plan on just being a casual listener, you could also look at a used Technics SL-1300, or the SL-1600 if you're wanting a direct drive turntable. I chose the SL-1200 primarily because crossing over into the full Audiophile system, I knew if I was going to stay with a direct drive system, then I should get the best of the best. Obviously the SL-1200 can be for DJ, or casual listening, but there are other Technics solutions. Third, ask yourself what your current budget is, and if you feel you can wait a little longer, and save your money up a little more for a nicer, used option. There's vast fields of incredible belt drives, that many will argue will provide greater sound than any direct drive TT. I was impatient in the beginning, and both I, and several of my records ended up suffering for it. I am forever deterring people from using ANY audio technica products no matter what anyone else says. The biggest purpose of vinyl records, is to pursue superior sound. To get there, it can definitely be affordable, but it certainly won't be cheap. If you want decent equipment, expect to pay for used, rather than brand new. As for speakers, if you're looking for superior sound, some powered speakers may be okay, but that's all they'll be, just okay. What you really should be considering are passive speakers, with a really nice amplifier/receiver to power them. If you are definitely not wanting to do a passive option right now, and stick with active speakers, you may consider something by either Klipsch or Audio Engine. Those two brands make all different sizes/options for powered solutions. Whether you go for a belt-driven, or direct drive turntable, just stay away from all imitation TT's of the SL-1200. There's only one SL-1200. I cannot recommend anyone taking the risk with the LP120, or any other imitation decks. I always recommend the real SL-1200 for new or returning users.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it works _exactly_ the same as my SL-1200 since they were both manufactured completely differently. When did you purchase your LP120?
If yours was purchased brand new 5 to 6 months ago, it's possible you lucked out and got one of the new ones. The only thing is, not everyone will benefit from this because there's still thousands and thousands on the shelves that are defective.
May be wrong but I believe you can get a kit to correct the faulty anti skating but it's a pain to fit? Mine does work but you need it set to over 6 for a weight of 1.8 grams to keep it still in the CD test. Good video, cheers.
Hello, I want to buy the at lp120 device. Can I use it with the fosi box x4 tube preamplifier I bought from China? Will there be an increase in sound quality?.
I don't know anything about that device, but as long as it has either USB, or RCA composite (left and right audio) then it should be fine. Most devices are compatible, but I can't vouche for it's quality.
On Amazon, yes. You want to thoroughly search EBay. Try various searches for different SL-1200's. You've seen how nice ours is, and my wife and I purchased it used on EBay.
Yeah but to have the Start/Stop button just go out all the sudden?! What if a DJ was performing with two of these lp120s at an event like a wedding? Cheap plastic and anti-skate issues is one thing, but you are f**ked if your deck stops spinning. You can't put a price on that.
I dunno where else to get this question answered, but a long time ago I was looking for a turntable before settling on the LP120. I came across an old model that used some kind of mechanism under the platter that reduced jostling causing the record to skip. It wasn’t magnetic, as far as I remember, but it looked pretty standard- I think a wooden frame- but it was that key element in the platter? I don’t know where I’d be able to find it, since it was half way across the country.
At least I won't have to pay for shipping to return my unit...all I spend is time and fuel. They are about an hour away from me. When you had them remove the pre-amp, did you request they return it to you so you KNOW it was removed? That's what I'm planning. Thanks for the tips on the anti-skate. It's just troubling that they would not fix it after you sent it in, and requesting you to send it back again. What is also troubling is that these fixes were suppose to be addressed with models that were made after 2017. When was yours made?
That's not the point of these videos. The point is thousands of people on UA-cam and other online forums trash talk the SL-1200 saying it's junk compared to the LP120 because the LP120 has more options. The LP120 exists because of the SL-1200, so for people to make such backwards comments, I figured it was time to make a video of exactly the proof they all need.
São equipamentos diferentes. O ATP 120 é um equipamento para amadores com uma pequena coleção de discos. O SL 1200 é equipamento profissional e para quem possui uma grande coleção de discos ou o utiliza em casas de espetáculos.
I have SL1210MK2 and Nagaoka MP-110 with the Nagaoka headshell too. It seems that your height adjuster doesn't go flush with the arm mount. Anyway you should get the perfect height for that combo using the original 6mm rubber mat (or something similar) or use some spacers between the cartridge and the headshell. The mk5 you have came with that dj style slipmat and not the 'audiophile' rubber mat like the OG ones :) Felt mats aren't the best if you wan't some quality in sound and you are not dj'ng. Anyway it is a great turntable like you say. Have fun and keep posting these great videos!
You haven't seen my other videos have you? We already own the original Technics rubber mat, like the ones I demonstrated in Part 1 of this video, and the Nagaoka head shell still slants. We only used the slip mats in this video to show off the brand names. The rubber mats were used during the sound test from Part 1, because they were both the exact same measurement. Plus, I mentioned that the head shel looks slanted even when it's not attached to the tonearm. Like I mentioned in this video, I'm worried it's the head shell.
@@cjsvinyl Whoa :) I watched it again and it seems that you are way too tail happy in that video. Ok, I will checkout my headshell too... It might be wise to use the original Technics headshell...
You are right in your videos you are using 6mm rubber mat. I have MKII it comes originally with 6mm rubber mat already. I do not know why they used just 3mm for MK5 version... Many thanks for video. Very informative!! Good luck!
Hello, i watched tons of videos about AT 120 and i really enjoyed it until i watched you videos :/ now i dont know what to do, my budget is very limited so i have no money for an Technics. Is skating a big trouble for a casual user like me? Currently I own a soundmaster PL186H(some cheap one i got for 60 euros) and i really enjoy it but i wanted to go for something better. Should i still go for a new AT from mid 2019?(btw with problem button i dont think i'll have the problems you had with shipping, here in romania you get a 2 years warranty and the seller is the one that take the product for free from you, repairs it in 15 days and send it back for free)
Everything I provide my viewers is coming from first hand experience. It's not designed to be mean, it's designed to be honest. You need to purchase whatever you want. It's your money, you choose what to do with it. I create the videos I do to help people. That is my only goal. If anything I really wish I would have seen more videos like these before purchasing AT products, because I wouldn't have ever purchased their products if I had known. Just remember that no matter what your decision is, you don't have to buy a Technics, or an imitation of their turntables either. There are so many belt-drive turntables available, like Fluance, Thorens, and Pro-Ject just to name a few. Good luck.
I wish I could friend, but audio technica never told me, they just said I had to send it back to them for repairs. Logically, it's most likely an electrical contact that just died out for being subpar equipment. This was why we bought a used SL-1200 and haven't had one issue since.
@@stephen579 Correct, but you adamantly requested to know what was wrong with the Start/Stop button not anti-skate. I could have informed you of the issue with anti-skate, which was something that AT was supposed to fix as well, and did not.
*TO ALL VIEWERS:* PLEASE read the description first prior to commenting. As I've mentioned in my descriptions of these comparisons, these are not traditional comparison videos, and as such, the cost between the turntables has nothing to do with the rationale behind creating them. I implore you to read the descriptions first, and complete the videos in their entirety, otherwise any argumentative comments that do not pertain to the points in the descriptions or videos, will be deleted. Ever since I've uploaded these videos, they've been set to _Comment Approval_ first before getting published. Per my previous comparison vid, I'm cracking down on trolls and won't tolerate any comments that are just trying to create trouble or intentionally agitate. Otherwise, enjoy the videos and let me know if you have any questions!
Hi, I have one of these TTs with the same problem, it doesn’t spin. Did Audio Technical tell you which part they replace? Motor board? Thanks.
Hey what is the exact model of the Technics SL 1200 that you tested here. As this original post is 4 years old many changes have been made.
Thank you for pointing out the information that is very useful.
The 120 had since been discontinued but I just got me the new 120x USB and I used a CD to test the anti skate and it actually works! The arm starts sliding when I adjust the antiskate knob one way and the arm moves the other way when I twist the knob the opposite way and when I adjust it right it stays in one place! I'm glad I never considered the old 120 (because I was aware the antiskate wasn't functional) but I'm happy to report Audio Technica fixed the antiskate issue with the 120x.
I'm glad to hear the new one actually works. Hopefully it stays that way, because mine worked (in a way) in the beginning before it completely went out. AT really should have been all over this a long time ago, and the fact that 10+ years went by with millions of poor products sold, myself and many others got suckered into the lies. I'm just relieved that I learned from my mistakes and can be a voice to others.
I will say, the new 120's aren't that great either, even with anti-skate funtioning. The build quality seems even worse than the original 120 and the motor failed on mine after just 2 years. Save yourself the hassel and just get a Technics. I got the SL-1200MK3D and couldn't be happier.
My dad has a Technics SL-1200 from 1990 and it still works perfectly today 30 years later! He mainly now uses it for digitising vinyl records from his collection and it does a perfect job of it as he currently has an expensive professional grade stylus on it which makes it extremely ideal for digitising records! :)
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Hi, the anti skate adjustment is working perfectly in my LP120X USB, just like the Technics. May be LP120 had this issue. Thanks a lot for this video. My calibration was way out (the arm was moving away to the edges). Did the calibration with a CD as shown in your video. Thanks again.
You always keep it honest Chad! "I treat my electronics like glass" is a great quote! I do too, and this is why I've been able to keep my now "vintage" system for over 30 years (with minor or no major fixes or repair). My belt driven German manufactured turntable, despite its years of use, still performs magnificently. I only wish it had a 78 speed. Over the years, I've been gifted numerous very vintage shellac records. I'd like to purchase another turntable which includes 78rpm, but it seems AUDIO TECHNICA has overrun the market. I'm in no rush. Anyway, there are many of us who trust your evaluations. Those Doubting Thomases, well, good you addressed them. I found it comedic. Chad, your honesty is trusted by many, and we have faith in your integrity. Thank you!
Thank you Jon. Your appreciation means a lot! I hope more people in time see my intentions and what I'm doing as a means to help others. Those vintage systems that you have are the only way to go. As far as 78 rpm playback, Technics recently released their MK7 model which has a 78 rpm playback. I think we will see more of Shellac playback options coming back. Thank you again for your comment, and all of the support you have shown me.
@@cjsvinyl Thank-you for the info, and you're welcome!
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I have this AT-LP120. Everything you are saying here is true! I've never seen such a cheap piece of $hit! I took out the preamp, raised the platter height by adding a cork and acrylic mat and lowered the cartridge with a shim...installed a heavier counter weight on the tone arm...changed the cartridge wires with silver ones..about to in install an MP-110 cartridge....as for the anti-skate. I've ordered the "upgrade" spring for the tone arm that I'll have to install myself. I got this TT as a gift. I wish I had never started customizing it and just chucked it and bought a better made TT. That being said...I've manged to get this piece of crap to sound pretty darn nice.
I wouldn't lie to any of my viewers. The point of my videos are to help people.
@@cjsvinyl This TT has turned into a hobby, to see how much better I can make the thing work. Now if only I can sneak in a different TT that actually can be adjusted properly. Do you have a preference? I don't see anything worth getting into for under 500 bucks...
If you're okay with a belt-driven turntable, the Fluance RT-82 seems like a great turntable.
@@cjsvinyl I've had belt driven TT's in the past. I'm 61 years old. I've had some nice one's. They came and went... Going thru buying houses and raising kids...time slips away. Thank God I took good care of my vinyl albums, which I have plenty! Now I need to figure out how to sneak a better TT into the house and what to do with this Audio Technica Frankenstein. It's really not that bad now. I like the Fluance TT's I'd go up a lot more than the one you recommended. Right now I'm running this TT through an Adcom GTP- 500 preamp or a Schiit Manin....into an Adcom GFA-555 high current amp and into some massive JSE Ifinite Slope model 2 speakers... Thank you.
That's why the 1200 is tops
As a DJ of many years, this turntable is a joke! It has so many faults I would never recommend them, period! A 40 year old 1200 works just as well. I've actually seen one that a guy uses when fixing phono inputs on domestic amps or mixers. It looks old and dirty but if you bought a new lid and had it thoroughly cleaned, it'd run for another 40 years! I bought a brand new Technics SL1200 MK2 with an Ortofon Blue cartridge I bought for playback use only and it looks wonderful! I did get a Stanton ST150 with a curved tone arm to review here in Australia where I live and this deck is fantastic! After giving it a full once over, any DJ will love this deck! I then plugged it in using my phono input and like the 1200 it is as quiet as a church mouse! No cogging, no wow, no flutter but more importantly no acoustic feedback, even in a cued position I could not get it to feedback. It weighs a frigging tonne and any nightclub should get these for vinyl DJs. My final thought on all the decks today is that if it wasn't for the SL1200MK2, none of this clone worship would be happening! The Audio/Technica looks almost exactly the same as a 1200. That unfortunately is where the similarity ends! I do not like this turntable! Imagine if you were spinning with two of these in a club and the stop/start button failed? Nup! As an audio/visual engineer I hate them!
Very good comparison review!! Thank you! I always knew the Technics was the best. The imitations to me never felt like they had the same quality, and u just proved it! Great job!
Thank you for your gratitude. A lot of people don't seem to understand why I created and released these videos. When you have thousands of comments on UA-cam and forums stating that the LP120 is better than the SL-1200, it's time to create the explanation.
Amigos yo tengo un SL-1800 MK2 Technics desde 1983 y la verdad que estos platos son eternos, este modelo fue lanzado al mercado junto con el SL-1700 MK2 (Semi automático) y el SL-1600 MK2 (Automático). El SL-1800 MK2 era manual. Al año del lanzamiento sacaron de producción el SL-1800 MK2 y sacaron el 1200 MK2. Diferencias entre ambos: El Pich del 1800 daba un rango de 6% mientras el 1200 era 8%. La base del 1200 fue mejorada con un soporte totalmente de goma para absorber mas las vibraciones aunque el 1800 tenia una suspensión con unos resortes y goma que no eran mala, pero fue mejorado en el 1200. La base del 1800 es igual en aluminio como en el 1200. El Pich lo hicieron en un botón deslizante que se ha mantenido así hasta nuestros días para el uso mas cómodo para los Dj, en el 1800 era una perilla redonda no es mala pero es mucho mejor como lo hicieron en el 1200. El motor y el brazo son exactamente los mismo y casi no ha variado a pesar de los años que tienen, indiscutiblemente Technics son los reyes. (Nota la base del AT-LP120 es de plástico lo que desmejora mucho la calidad del tornamesa)
Technics SL1200 all day long. Awesome video. Thanks for the information
I know I'm going against the grain here (and I've been a huge fan of all Technics audio equipment from way back in the day - I'm 56) but I've had my (two) LP120's for over seven years and the anti-skating works perfectly on both (using the CD test - thanks for that!). I never purchased them with the expectation that they would be better than or even the equal of the SL1200s - clearly they are not - but for me they have done (and continue to do) exactly what I was hoping for, which is to produce a good sound, remain totally reliable, be a joy to use and to be aesthetically pleasing, all at what I considered to be a really reasonable price at the time (£239 each in December 2014). The SL1200s are of course peerless but I've been absolutely delighted with my LP120s thus far.
go to his part one comparison video and you will hear that the sound quality of this turntable has limitations
Can they hold the pitch as good tho? Im interested on a new pair of those. I have 3x pairs technics already but hell y not they look nice. Been thinking bout 140s but everyone says they are inferior than the new 120s but who knows.
Very good comparison and the reason the Technics is a better turntable is that it was made in Japan versus the Audio-Technica that is made in China. I have an SL-1800 from 1979 and it still works and sound like brand new.
China es la fábrica del mundo. No digas estupideces.
The Technics 1200 is ome of the best turntables ever made, without a doubt. Sorry to hear your issues with the AT LP120... mine so far is treating me very well, and the anti skate works great. I test mine through a few single sided vinyls I own.
I have a Audio Technica lp 120 and always thought it was a good sounding unit until I got a
Technics SL1200 mk5 build is so much better and sound is better also the Audio Technica
is a good turntable for the money but there is nothing like the Technics SL 1200 series thanks for this video I love your channel.
I’ve had the LP120 I want to say 2 years and I’ve never had problems with it so Idk why your stop and start button did that.
It'll be interesting to see if any of these issues the 120 has will be fixed with the 120X AT just announced at CES. I suspect that at least the antiskate problem will be fixed, since allegedly the newer 120's have the problem fixed (still haven't found anything overly reliable to confirm that). They also claim the preamp was improved, but it's still in the signal path even when it's off, so it's probably still going to color the sound. I actually emailed AT about that last one, and they said that it was supposedly impossible to do it any other way because of how they ground the tonearm.
Larry Wilson I don’t understand why they don’t simply make one with and without the preamp.
Thanks so much. Excellent comparison. I owned both sets of turntables for mixing in my DJ days.
No comparison. The Technics does out perform period, as it should at these price points.
It would be interesting to see how Audio -Technica’s best would do. The AT-LP 1240 for instance.
Mostly to see if the anti-skate is rectified in that model, wow flutter and frequency response.
Just thinking out loud. Thanks again!
I was wondering if anyone has ever tried to spray a rubberized coating underneath the aluminum platter of the AT120. I currently own two ATLP60x tables & have played thousands of records on them & the only problem was one of the units external power supplies failed the 1st week & Audio Technica sent a brand new one. Here's my thing I can't hear a difference in the sound of a 1200 or a 120 & from my experience with the 60s series reliability hasn't been an issue with Audio Technica.
Thanks for the info. I was curious about the AT turntable, but you answered all my questions. It looks like it might be a nice possibility for playing 78's, but not much more.
Glad to have helped you. If you can, 1) find shellac records that are still playable, and 2) a 3 mil stylus and cartridge head designed for playing 78's, you make sure to let me know!
Technics is hard to beat...I have an SL-23 belt drive table that I bought in 1976 and it is still giving me great service. I recently acquired an SL1200-MKII and was bale to compare the two playing first one and the other using the same album. The sound quality from the SL-23 is nearly as good, if not on par with the infamous SL1200-MKII...to me that says a lot about Technics and the quality of their turntables, at least for these two turntables.
The justified saltiness of this video was my favorire part. Sold me on not skimping, just sucking it up and getting a SL-1200.
It gets really difficult. I've had a lot of REALLY _"wild"_ people commenting on my videos, and over time it's really been catching up with me. I respond to people because I legitimately want to help them so they don't run into the same problems I have, but instead I've had some messed up things said to me over time. Good times!
Cj's Vinyl It was a perfect response. Well done. It’s a masterclass on proving your point without getting down to their level. Well done. Loved it.
Good old technics! No wonder it’s one if not the world most popular turntables
Yes the anti-skate doesnt work on my AT LP120 but it was a good 200 - 300$ cheaper than a Technics. For most part it plays my records just fine. Not all of us are made of money!
No one is saying you are, or should be. The point of this video is to provide informative details so you at least have the truth. The rest is up to you. Also, the price tag of Technics SL-1200 is not always as high as you make it sound. We purchased ours on Ebay for only 300.00 more than what we paid for the LP120. You just have to do research, and you can find EX+ graded SL-1200's for around the same price if you just look.
I’m not gonna say anything bad about the LP120. However used 1200’s can be found for the price of an LP120 or close to it. Back in 2015 I bought a 1200 mK2 in great condition for $225. Last year I replaced it with a m5g in like new condition that I scored for $300, the same price as a LP120.
Great video Chad! Apples and Oranges. Japanese quality vs Chinese cheap labor and parts. And it shows. Both brands have there place!! The AT people aren't ever going to admit that there are too many issues with Chinese turntables. They are PRICE FIRST consumers. The lower the better. I recently got the Technics SL-1200GR. After 3 years of looking at dozens of tt's I upgraded from my 1983 Technics SL-QX300. Sticking with Technics. And after 35 years my start/stop button has NEVER gone down on my SL-QX300. Just sayin'.
even a cheap bsr turntable last for ever
Great review! Kinda set me back from buying an used LP-120. I currently have an LP-60 and I'm more than happy since I started with a Crosley type and I got a Gemini (belt drive) which was a piece of crap. Reality is many used turntables are expensive on my country. The cheapest Technics SL1200 I found is in crap state, abused and such and selling for 450$!
I literally just checked Ebay and found 6 different SL-1200's between 285 - 500 a few that only had very minor wear and tear, and the others looked completely spotless, fully-functional decks. You just have to keep checking, they're scattered all over the world.
I have a At-LP120X (X is important) and need to say this modification is far better than old 120 version.
- anti skating is functional and works well with any test (CD or VIDEO discs)
- more solid body
- no problem with direct drive motor
- built in preamp is working good, I think.
My LP120's anti-skate worked in the beginning too. It doesn't mean your anti-skate will work indefinitely. The 'X' version also removed the height adjustment dial so now VTA is worse than ever. The pop-up light is now a detachable plug that you have to plug in every time you want an indicator light on that cartridge. The body is the same ABS plastic as the LP120, so it's not more solid. The 45 adapter is now plastic so it's the same as the LP60. Give the motor time, I'm sure it will eventually short out. You don't pay 50.00 less for the LP120x and expect for the motor to be stronger. Internal preamps are a horrible substitute for an external preamp/amplifier. The point is experiencing Hi-Fi, not reducing sound to CD. There's no point in listening if you aren't going to embrace it for what it's supposed to be.
Great video! I knew a guy that had one of those imitation turntables a few years back and was doing a dj event when one his decks started shorting out on him. It wasn't an LP120, but it was one of those 1200 wannabe copies. Really messed up the whole evening for everyone! Videos like this help to remind people why those imitation decks are no good. The real SL1200 has the quality motor, and solid build that everyone needs. Thanks for making this!
You are absolutely correct, thanks for your comment!
Started DJing in the mid 80's with a pair of SLBD22's. Quickly upgraded to a set of gently used 1200MK2's with 680EL needles/carts. Those 12's were bulletproof back then, and they STILL work flawlessly now in 2021 (do the math). That's the legendary Tech 1200 build quality for ya. Of course my choice of needles have changed over the years (Ortofon Elektro's and Gold's now). Anyway, when I hear someone complain about the cost of a new 1200, or a used one in good condition, I just laugh. Considering a 1200 Mk2/3/4 (whatever) will likely be the last turntable someone would ever own, their price no longer seems too expensive... well, except for the limited edition 1200G/GAE. lol
i picked up a 2nd hand set of 1210 mkII recently in pretty much mint condition for £1300. it is still the king of dj turntables in my opinion and like you say, it's the last turntable you'll ever need to buy. they're practically indestructible and as such are an investment
Yep Bought my pair in 1997 for 650 swiss francs each and they still run like when ibought them Quality has his price but they will last forever..(25 Years now with almost daily use)
The anti-skating issue is fixed on the LP120x. I just tested it using a CD.
Unfortunately it's not. There's multiple users uploading new videos of the LP120x still having anti-skate problems. Plus, my LP120 worked in the beginning. It took a few months before it went completely out, so just because it works out of the box, doesn't mean it's going to keep working down the road. My SL-1200 is more than 16 years old, and it still works better than any brand new LP120, and will continue to indefinitely.
Your videos are so much better than others.
Thank you my friend!
SL1200 is always and forever the goats..
Hahaha the people hating on the anti skate test are probably just mad because they own the at120 and feel like you are talking trash when you are just stating facts. Glad i saw your videos, great review, was very close to buying the at120 and will now try to find a sl1200 techincs if i can find a good price.. thanks!
Dog on it I'm mad cause I spent days searching for a decent turntable and didn't come across this video and the one that preceeded this one until after I thought I was making the right decision and purchasing the AT-120. 😕😟
Best on UA-cam, all video's are top rate. Very impressive. Great job.
, much appreciated.
Planning to get one Audio Tech..but becoz of your review, i'd rather go with technics..
I thought I would also put my trust into them. Everyone praised the LP120, and in the beginning so did I, but I was wrong, and so is anyone else who lifts up AT garbage. I promise you, just budget your money properly and buy a used one from Ebay. You won't regret it.
@@cjsvinyl thanks mate
0:18 YYYYYYYEP!!!! Man I just won't get how people can take the risks. If you're going to buy a turntable like this one, JUST BUY A USED SL-1200 ON EBAY!
Start/Stop button already broke? Well, they lost my money.
Excellent video, I wish more reviewers were this thorough with their tests. I really appreciate it.
I appreciate your gratitude! I try to be honest with everyone, thanks for your support.
This is not a comparison between equals. You should compare between your Technics and the Audio-Technica AT-LP-1240.
That doesn't matter now, or any other time in existence. That's not the point of this video, and never has been. I'm so tired and annoyed of people not using common sense when it comes to this comparison video. It's so simple and people like you complicate it.
I think there is hardly any turntable that can compete with SL 1200 in DJing. Thanks for the video
None
Reloop are competing with Technics
@@N.n.i.k the digital pitch control is not as good as the Technics analogue pitch. Technics still remain the best Turntables for DJ's. facts are facts
I legitimately don't understand why people buy these AT turntables. Even a humble vintage Technics SL-D2 will absolutely smoke this AT deck. Look up the specs and you'll see. And you can buy a nice one for half the price of this AT.
And they're virtually indestructible.
Well, I can look up what the specs were 40 years ago on a vintage turntable; that doesn't mean that's what they are today. I prefer new, even though they probably "don't build them the way they used to"; at least I know I won't be greeting the repairman on a first name basis. New is new and old is old. I can buy a 30 year old Volvo for much less than a new car, but if I've got a job to do driving across the country, I know which one I'm taking . . .
@@fredberger3155 Completely incorrect in this case. We've owned our *USED* Technics SL-1200 for the last 4 years with absolutely 0 flaws of any kind. Unless you ignored this video, this was a *BRAND NEW* AT-LP120 that we had purchased, never did anything to it, and I still had to send it back to AT to repair the Start/Stop button. Your comment is void.
Great comparison, thanks.
well part two just answered my question i left on part 1, looks like ill be pre ordering the Technics SL-1200M7L 50th anniversary edition. now my decision comes to what color do I want to go with. thanks again for making this video as I'm getting into vinyl for the first time ever at the age of 38 I greatly appreciate your honest feedback on these turn tables. 🙇♂️🙏
The sl-1200 has heirloom quality built into it. The cockroach of turntables if you will.
They tend to run for decades without issue. Highly adjustable and gentle on records.
Any turntable with a non functioning anti-skate is slowly carving up the groove. Fix it
or flip it.
It's true, my old mk 2s are still in operation a few miles from where I live and they are over 30 years old now.
Very honest reviews! Thank you for all the detailed information!
You were spot on with your comparison. I watched and commented on your previous video and still hate this POS. I'm waiting on my Technics SL-Q2 that I won from Goodwill that I'm going to refurbish that is going to replace my AT-LP120. My main TT is my Rega P2 sitting by my Pioneer PL-7 from 1981. My PL-7 runs circles around the AT-LP120 and always recommend viewers to stay away from the AT-LP120. Mine has the motor pulsation noise even after putting in a new motor that I bought from AT. Just plain junk! Great video!
The anti-skating issue of the LP120 has been fixed now. I bought mine about a year ago, and i even have to set the anti-skating a bit lower than the tracking force.
Well, yeah fixed now after 10+ years of selling millions of defective units world-wide. Not to mention, there was no recall done on any of the defective units that are still floating around out there, so you're still not guaranteed to get a functioning deck yet. That tells me exactly what kind of company Audio Technica is.
blackmore1030 wow I am about to buy lp 120 and I will have it tested first. I hope I wont have this issue or I will have to settle for another one
@@MrBaxterrify You might want to do more than just test it. You may want to see some other videos of people on UA-cam that bought it, had it for a while, and then a few months started having problems with it. Ever since my response to mr. blackmore, I've noticed a lot of problems from people on forums and others on UA-cam that say the lp120x still does not function the way it should for the long haul.
@@cjsvinyl That's what I am afraid of because getting that kind of player is expensive-at least for me. I might have to settle for the Project essential 2. You see, the reason why I want to buy the lp 120 is for convenience since it has a built-in amplifier. But, if the quality looks like the ones I see in youtube, then I am getting cold feet :(
@@MrBaxterrify The Pro-ject Essential II sounds great! Granted I've never used it, but I'm thoroughly familiar with Pro-Ject and the fact that they have much better turntables than Audio Technica that you can know for sure. Have you also considered the Fluance line? The Fluance RT 82 or the 83 may be a much nicer bet for what you're looking for. If you're okay going vintage, look at the Thorens TD-160. Solid as a rock!
Just started laying down techno on two of those and I am absolutely
happy with them! Sure they are no sl1200´s but the prize is awesome! :-)
The Audio Technica is a Hanpin. Nothing more, nothing less. The motor has baked in rumble, nothing can be done about it. It has a wobbly platter, the tone arm has play on the bearings, the speed is not spot on like a Technics, it is a plastic affair, the plinth is entirely made of plastic. It gets its weight from a slab of steel on the bottom of the hollow plinth so no dampening at all. Many earlier units have a barely working anti skate. The only good part of the product is the cartridge it comes with. For the price the cartridge performs quite well but it is not able to lift the total package to an acceptable level. It is a shame Audio Technica wants its name on the product. Having said that, for the occasional user who ony want to digitise records it may be a cheap way to do it. For the serious listener, the audiophile and the dj alike, I would not reccommend it.
A very honest, direct, and to the point comment. I used to think Audio Technica products were at least worth the try, but the only thing I have going for me, is that I can say I not only tried them, but I owned them, used them daily, and as such ended up learning the hard way. I wish more people understood my intentions in these videos.
10:10 Showing the waveforms was indeed helpful, but what this actually shows is that the Technics has superior dynamic range-the peak amplitude is greater, and so you are hearing a better and wider representation of the dynamics on the record. Still definitely an advantage for the Technics, but it has nothing to do with frequency response.
amazing video, this solidified which turntable i should get - thank you!
I'm very glad it helped. Thank you for your support!
@@cjsvinyl i just bought my first ever Technics SL 1200MK2 and I AM SO EXCITED!! thank you again! do you have any videos on dust covers by chance or where to get some cheap good ones? and for calibrating needle / cartridge / anti-skate?
Excellent video! I got an audio technica. I love it but it skates more than a roller derby in 1970,s
Loved this video CJ! I’m getting a SL-1200MK7 and am looking forward to it.
I have the 120 currently and was turned off by the customer service from AT. My platter was warped.. they acknowledged it was a known issue and did nothing .. like you said.. it’s about investing in quality
I didn't know either that the LP120 would be as bad as it is. After experiencing significant problems with mine, the only option for me was the SL-1200. I would be very curious to see your general thoughts about it. Thanks for your comments and your support!
@@cjsvinyl Sadly the build quality of the SL-1200MK7's are pretty bad.
I understand the newest revision to the LP-120 addresses the anti skate issue as well as the rumble issue.
You'll want to do a lot more searching on UA-cam. It still has not been completely resolved. It's so much easier to just buy a used SL-1200 on EBay.
I think the biggest difference between the techs and the super oem’s is lifespan... My technics have kicking around longer than super oem’s have existed without a hiccup other than a rca than needs to be changed on one. Over 10 years of use and I bought them 2nd hand. The super oem’s are still pretty great in comparison to what was around before them... but you have to take in mind that they are all built off of technics patent anyway and I have yet to see any super oem’s that hold the same lifespan.
Though I would love to see your opinion of the old vestax PDX series.
Pressure pad / sensor under the button is what caused the fault on the A.T Deck
I own a GLI pro, and have had my issues with it. The pitch is not working properly. When I slide it to 0, it’s faster so I gotta lower the pitch to 2.5 to get it to sound regular. And the anti skate is crazy as well. I was thinking of getting a lp120 to replace this one. I’ve watched other reviews of people praising it but they seem like beginners and never seen a Technics 1200 in action. Thanks to this I think I’ll save my money and get a Technics.
I promise you won't regret it. You'll spin your LP's on that SL-1200 with much confidence and comfort. Great choice!
@@cjsvinyl where can you buy it - I live in UK but I could buy outside of it
@@rhysgannon7569 Do a google search...If you can buy outside UK, you can find them new in Portugal, with ease...
I’m just here to mention that one of my sl1200 that was giving to me by my uncle , model built in 1985 still going strong in 2024 .
Great comparison both!
I have a Rega turntable that I bought used for 140.00, but I prefer the Technics for its durability and quality, bar none.
If I didn't own the SL-1200, I would have the Rega Planar P2 or P3.
I don't remember when I bought my SL1200 Mk2's (It may have been around 1990), but they still work fantastic. I wasn't a gigging DJ anymore when I bought them (just wanted something to record and keep my skills sharp), so I'm glad to say that the RCA cables haven't gone bad either, thanks to light use. Sure, there are a lot of decent alternatives, but the king will always be the king... Which is why I'm shocked that Technics has made these so inaccessible. The price alone is probably a good reason why a lot of young DJ's would rather just get an all in one mixer/digital players instead of opting for a DVS system with real turntables. Granted, I know they've probably haven't sold a ton of these, and yeah, it's probably the "old DJ" in me, but I feel like it's just another art form from another time that will just get lost, you know?
the "Old DJ" in you is the correct DJ.
Young DJ's doesn't use records anymore sadly . Just watch the DJ's at TommorowLand for example , none of them use turntables they have all laptops, usb sticks , etc.. by the rare exception from a couple of artists that still use turntables just for the show .
I can go further into the world of records and turntables is that it is too late to spend so many money to figure out a CD is better suited . Sadly today the trick of nostalgia is way too expensive and is honestly not more a hobby anymore . Also if you are buying records today to sell them decades later well it's too late the value will decrease by some rare exception records that goes for above $5000 but todays new records will never go that high in second hand sellings anymore . People today are only following trends instead to ask themselves if it's worth to start the journey .
Me too i don't like how Technics made their turntables way too expensive since 2005 to today is beyond me . I remember i bought two new SL-1200MKII in 1997 they were for 650Euros each ( conversion of Belgian francs , i'm belgian ) which i still have them . I also have a Stanton STR-80 that had reverse function but never used it to be honest .
I have a question pertaining to features.
What I like about either turntable are the manual features and controls, allowing you to have more direct manipulation of the table functions. However, when I was shopping for high-end turntables (your Clear Audio, etc.) I notice that these very expensive turntables, whether direct-or-belt-driven, have almost no controls beyond on/off and 33/45. No pitch control, nothing, not even 78RPM. *Would you happen to know why the higher-end turntables don't allow for all these manual control options?* Because it really irks me that they don't.
Many of these features are for DJ's. I'm not a DJ, but I'm obsessed with the SL-1200 design which was why I went with the LP120 in the beginning. Many of these features are realistically not even used unless you start back-masking, EQ mixing, or scratching. Pitch control is a timing mechanism, but it could also be used for "re-aligning" sound if you started having playback issues with your motor. I've never had that issue even when I had my LP120, so I don't feel that you're missing out on too much. As far as 78rpm playback, have you ever done that with shellac records? You also can't use a standard .7 mil stylus, but a cart with a 3 mil stylus attached. Those are typically very expensive, and not many available. If you have the means of doing it, then I suppose the 78 rpm feature would be desired, otherwise it's useless to any other records you own. I don't own any shellac records, so I never used that feature either. I wouldn't worry about it too much, those Clear Audio turntables are very high end and I see the value in them. If you're obsessed with the SL-1200 design like I am, then just buy a used SL-1200. I've still not had one issue with mine.
@@cjsvinyl I collect soundtracks and I've been able to find a number of them from the '40s, as well as some other albums of swing and jazz. Nothing particularly valuable, but I developed a habit of "rescuing" shellac records that are abandoned or thrown away,. particularly if they're clean and in good shape. Call me crazy, but I don't like the idea of something being thrown away simply because it's old or unpopular when it could be given a home. So having 78RPM to me seems like it should be standard feature even if the other features you mentioned aren't.
But thanks for the feedback, I didn't realize that most people just wanted playback and speed control on their tables. I prefer knobs, switches, and dials up the whazoo because of the manual control.
@@Theomite Very cool! I definitely hear you on the collectable side. I wouldn't suggest getting rid of something either just based on being "unpopular" I was more referring to shellac records generally being in horrible shape due to severe wear and tear over time. Not only that, but you generally don't see many situations where people have properly cared for those kind of records and they just end up in a big dusty box stacked on top of one another, no sleeves, and exposed to the elements. Very sad, but if you can restore them, that's awesome! You sound like a very tactile person when you mentioned knobs and switches. I would HIGHLY recommend looking at the Technics SL-1300 or the 1600. Both of them have those very solid knobs and switches on the right and left sides. Although, not a 78rpm option that I'm aware of. Consider the Technics SL-1200 MK4 for 78rpm. More rare, but would have everything you're looking for. Otherwise, I believe the newer MK7 has these extra features including reverse playback. You would need to google that to be sure.
@@cjsvinyl. I've just found Your site to entertain me on a damp and rainy afternoon in England. I have a Trio/Kenwood KD1033 turntable which I bought in 1976 and which has been my faithful listening companion ever since - with no breakdowns. I currently have a Nagaoka MP110 cartridge on it. Now our other system is an old BSR music centre. Why? 'Cause I have got into 78's. I have Bing Crosby, and I have Fat's Waller. The BSR plays them. I am never gonna replace my beloved Trio Deck but have thought of buying an ATLP-120 precisely 'cause it has 78rpm and pitch control and the option of changing the cartridge for a dedicated 78rpm cartridge. Audio Technica manufacture a dedicated 78rpm cartridge that sells for £69.99. They also sell a dedicated mono cartridge. I have some mono Beatles records and a mono copy of John Mayall with Eric Clapton and was thinking of investing in an Audio Technica mono cartridge for them. I guess people new to record collecting should think about what they want to collect and why, and then buy a turntable that fits their collecting habits and fits their budget. P.S. I wont be getting rid of the BSR 'cause it's an autochanger stacker and is perfect for playing my 100 or so 1960's singles 6 at a time. 😃
@@Yardbirds777 Hello Yardbirds! A damp and rainy afternoon would certainly fulfill my pluviophile ways. I really wish I lived somewhere where it rained more. It's currently 10am here in the states, so it should be right around 3pm in England right now. I hope you are enjoying our videos, and will continue to. :) Our playlist page has everything categorized. That Kenwood Trio is a nice retro turntable! Beautiful, and important piece of audiophile history. They only made that model from 1975 to '79 if memory serves correctly. As for 78rpm playback, I could be completely off basis here, but wasn't there a vintage model called the Strathclyde STD350D or maybe it was the STD305D? I'm almost positive that one was equipped to play 33, 45, and 78rpm. It had a nice counterweight and easily-removable cartridge. You might check that one out if you're wanting something to play those shellac records of yours. I only want people to have the best options for their records long term, and if that's an LP120 for you, then go for it, but otherwise I would absolutely push for a different brand after the experiences that myself and others have had with AT products. Thanks for your words, and I hope you will come back, always feel free to stop in to hop on the conversations, and above all else, enjoy the music! :)
*EDIT:* I forgot, cheers from the US!
Thanks for the video. I was able to set anti skating on my lp120 usb by setting value to max, which is 7.
I figured out why I was able to. Tt was unbalance, front lower than back, as soon as I balanced the tt, I couldn't adjust anti-skating. So I lowered the front again, about 3/16th inch. Now anti-skating is set.
@@sergisamongas lol, that's how I did it too and it works
Great comparison video, a couple of the flaws in the LP120 have now been addressed in the latest model, what are your thoughts on this?
Техникс рулит, базару ноль. Респект за видос!
When I'm able to afford the 1200. That's what Im going to get.
I rate the SL1200 tecnics MK2 as the best turntable of all time.I bought a pair of them
1993.And the only thig I ever done to them were to .
Connect one of the wire that go to the cartrige head.Nine years ago And they just keep on going none stop Still brand spanking new.
So many people don't realize that buying a used one would solve their problems. IE, I bought a brand new LP120 and it breaks in less than a year, but I bought good used SL-1200 and no problems since I purchased it in 2018. I have a nice, long road ahead of me with no problems with my SL-1200.
i have fixed the antiskating cutting the spring a half.
Problem solved.
If you remove the AT-LP120 built-in preamp versus the Technics SL-1200, in terms of sound quality and archival should be a *tie.*
The point though is that you shouldn't have to do that. Also, people who have zero experience in electrical engineering, and have never opened anything like that up, aren't going to feel comfortable doing so.
Technics always been the best. great video.
If you want the good stuff you have to learn the art of delayed gratification when it comes to saving up for something you really want. Their's no short cuts, or substitutes for the real thing. Glad i saved up for a Numark TTX.
It would be really good to see the same anti-skate test done on the LP140
Ok just based on the start stop button I wouldn’t buy the Audio Technica my 1200 MK2’s are over 25 yrs old and I’ve never had that issue :)
and you never will.
@@cjsvinyl I am going to buy a SL1200 MK7 Black in Japan a soon as I go there in few months...
I've also have theese two turntables,my SL1210 works just just fine,The 120 has issues,you have mention some of the issues,but i have a Couple more.First The Platter are not strait,the platter is kind of dipping,it's tiny but it's irritating because you can in fact see the platter dipping on every spin,it's not suppose to be like that,(if it had been a plastic platter,i could have understand this),but this looks like aluminium,,so this feels wrong in my opinion. A second Issue i hava is that the headschell is a plastic shell,it came with the AT 95 E allready mounted as promise,but when the headshell is plastic,it's much more difficult to sett up the turntable,special the counterweight and the antiskating. I've tryed your way with a CD,and like yours 120,mine also failed the same way,tonearm skided into the Center,i tryed to adjust,but no luck,so i concider the antiskating is caput
The Third issue with my 120,is yhat the USB hub doesn't work properly,i have downloadet the Audacity,and when i start recording in stereo,one channel just have a rumbeling noise,the other one sounds alright. I don't know if that is the computer or the turntable issue,but i think i might be the turntable. So my conclusion is tha the LP120 is not the deasent turntable as we think,just saying.
Great work on the video man. Being an LP-120 owner, the anti-skate test made me kind of cringe. Because I value my vinyl. But I only use mine to put music on my computer. For music listening I use my Rega Planar 1. Just got a Nagaoka MP-200 for it. Thanks for taking the time to make your great videos.
Oh man the Rega Planar 1!! You need to use that to back up your LP's, not the LP120. Just because the LP120 has a USB, doesn't mean that you have to use that to back up your music to your computer. I also do a demonstration video of how to backup your LP's just using the RCA cables. Your sound quality would be so much better if you recorded with your Rega.
@@cjsvinyl Thank You much for the heads up man!
Thanks for the Monty Python music at 1:05!
This problem with the anti scating is typical for this and other OEM Turntables with this arm, so there was nothing wrong with your test. There are OEM Turntables that have wel functioning anti scating, for instance the Reloop RP-6000 or the Pioneer DJ PLX-1000. Good Turntables from other brands are easily recognized by this tone-arm, look at the way the bearings are build. These Turntables are build in South Korea at a very respectable manufacturer of professional audio, this arm can allso be found in some form on some hifi Turntables.
i think AT made some of these with a certain company and switched production to another company, that might explain why some are OK and some are not. There definitely are people out there with wharped ones too
i was thinking this too , i keep hearing about the anti skate not working on some of them and i tested mine and it works fine. there has to be a way to find out. Maybe my serial number or internal components.
Probably switched supplier in China ... A lot of Japanese product have issues coming from China in last few years. From Daikin AC units to hand wrist watches like Seiko and Citizen ... I do not know what is it but they started to cutting corners on Quality control checking massively ... For example dials on many quite pricey Seiko watches (outsourced abroad) are misaligned in quite large numbers nowadays to the point you really cant just order one hoping it is Seiko (Japanese company) would not allow it ... But things Made In Japan still holds reputation ! And with this new model of AT-LP120X when I saw that plastic adapter for 45, you can get the message where all this is going. It would be more consistent if they have not included it at all than supply the unit with this piece of plastic. I mean how expensive and over the budget it is to have aluminium piece !? The mindset behind this decision repels me from this product !
Reputations are made and lost with those issues...
I agree with you 100% that Audio-Technica turntable is just a plastic toy for kids if you want a real!! OEM Super Turntable that's going to stand the test of time it...it will be most definitely a Technics sl 1200 or a Pioneer plx 1000
I love my SL-1300 👍🏼👍🏼
I would try the Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, cause thats got the dampening plate, & also doesn't use that USB, they got rid of that thank god, on the 140....... I recently bought a Audio-Technica AT-LP 140XP, & I love it so far, wish I owned a Technics 1200 tho, fa sho............ 👍👊💪🙏
Hello there. 2 years ago when i first got into vinyl i bought an AT LP60BT and just this week i found out that it seems to be a rather cheap product. Given that i knew nothing about record players it was a very uninformed purchase influenced by my local electronics salesman. wont trust him again.
the stylus is pressing on the vinyl with half a gram too much force and i cant even adjust it.
at least not easily since there is a tiny spring in the back that acts as the counter weight and isn't meant to be adjusted. now i don't think a half gram is that bad, but it still isn't perfect and i do like perfection. I did measure it with a dedicated stylus scale on height of the platter as to not bring any flas in the measurement because it would obviously read out even heavier the higher the stylus is measured because the spring would get released.
That brought me down the rabbit hole of different/other/better record players. doesn't need to be direct drive either. but i thought about building one myself. and you seem to know a lot about the topic so i wanted to ask if you know a place where i could start to learn everything there is about turntables so i can come up with a design. or if i should scratch the idea and just save up to buy a decent technics or maybe dual player...
Yeah per the LP60 Stress Test video that I made, my LP60 tracking force started at exactly 3.00 grams, and over time increased to 4.24. Looking back, 3 grams was already too much, let alone the increase to 4.24. First I would recommend staying away from all audio technica turntables, and as far as direct drive turntables, avoid any SL-1200 imitation decks. I agree that belt-drive turntables are perfectly fine to stick with, and many swear that they sound better. Even when I had the LP60, I still recommended the U-Turn Orbit to people. It has a counter weight adjustment for controlling tracking force, a tonearm socket for swapping cartridges, a simple start and stop mechanism, and a very sleek look. The earlier releases of the U-turn Orbit should be your target. Those are the ones that do not have a built in preamp, whereas the newer ones now include a phono preamp. You don't want any audio filters added with the internal preamps. You definitely want to purchase a separate, external solution when it comes to a preamp/amplifier/receiver.
Typically I would advise against any turntable that is 250.00 or lower, but the U-Turn Orbit is the exception to me. Still no where near the quality of the Pro-Ject Carbon, and galaxies away from the Rega Planar, but for someone on a budget, absolutely a great table! It comes in a lot of different colors, and upgrading to the acrylic platter your friends will have a hard time looking away from it. Ask yourself if you want powered speakers, or passive. Powered speakers are designed for a budget, and passive is the pursuit of audiophile quality, when you have a solid amplifier/receiver connected.
Considering direct drive options, if it doesn't have to be a DJ-style deck, I would go for a different Technics table like the SL-1300 (Fully Automatic), the SL-1400 MK2, the SL-1600 is also really nice! Other options like a Thorens TD 160 is an excellent vintage table, the Fluance RT-82, the Denon DP 300F, and the Sansui FR-5080 (Fully-Automatic) are several affordable, but robust tables that come to mind.
As far as places to learn more, I would avoid online forums. Those are basically immature kids, and sad "adults" with WAY too much time on their hands. I have an engineering background so a lot of the knowledge I have is based on past education and research. UA-cam is a pretty sad source for finding help too. I won't mention names, but there are people _(even the ones that have vast numbers of subscribers)_ that don't know as much as they lead on. You need to find one or more persons that you trust, and will talk to you like a person. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll do my best to help!
@@cjsvinyl you helped me a lot already. It's just that there is this huge war between people on a budged and hardcore audiophiles that swear they can hear the difference between a record cleaned by hand or cleaned by a Reginald washer (which you should otherwise it ain't worth the money) but yeah I am an Industrial Mechanic with extensive training in CNC machining so building one shouldn't be the issue in terms of actually building one. I think a driver and body should be rather easy. I would just buy an aftermarket tonearm and stylus. But that's the thing. I just need to understand what's important
@@cjsvinyl OK so I'll probably use a project carbon tone arm while making both the base and platter out of a thick cast iron plate. I work in a foundry so that would be the easiest thing to achieve and cast iron should have decent properties in terms of vibration resistance and weight. The challenge I am facing rn is how to power the platter. I'm not trying to make a full auto turntable. That would be too complicated for me but what I thought might work would be to use a 3 stage flip switch that powers one of three potentiometers that then get parallel wired to a motor so I can find tune the speeds and just flip the switch for convenience. The question I'm asking myself is what kind of motor I should get. The challenge is to find a strong yet silent and vibration free one. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
@@eccomi21 I must have missed something, as I thought you meant _"a new setup"_ being a different purchase of equipment, but this sounds like something out of Frankenstein. While I have an engineering background, I can't be of much help for a fully customizable (from scratch) build. Since this is a very custom build from the ground up, I can't tell which direction you'll be going, so the best advice I can give is to research and learn about as many different vintage, and modern tables as you can, to help you decide how you want to slice and dice your way to something very different. Best of luck!
@@cjsvinyl if I am successful I'll let you know
I have an SL-1200 from the late 90s as my main table. It's bulletproof. Speed is dead on accurate and there's almost nothing to break on it. It was a relief after fighting with problems on cheaper tables. The only issue I ever had was that a corner of the soundproofing on the bottom of the platter started to peel, and it was rubbing on the housing below, but an X-acto knife fixed that.
I got mine used in the early 2010s for cheap, because the vinyl community at large still looked down on them as "DJ tables" at the time. I consider myself lucky. Prices shot up shortly after and are considerably higher for a used deck now.
I do know people with the AT LP-120, and they seem to have had better luck than you did for the most part... but the difference in build quality is still better on a Tec-12. There's no getting around it.
One thing: could you fix the VTA on the AT LP-120 by putting a very thick mat on it?
really dumb that you even have to suggest such a thing to do
Another issue with the Audio Technica 120 is the tone arm fall very fast requiring damping fluid
The Audio Technica is a bad deck in many areas! As a matter of fact, 90% of turntables released today from a distance look exactly like a Technics SL-1200 MK2. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery! I have an SL-1200 MK2 brand new! To stop acoustic feedback, I have my deck resting on a marble slab which is resting on two angle brackets attached to the wall! Being a brick house, you can jump up and down in front of it and the turntable is not affected in any way! The 1200MK2 was released as an audiophile grade deck with a rubber mat that slopes down towards the centre to keep the inner section of a record away from the motor! Even though Matsushita electronics deny this, I believe that the Sl 1200s were engineered for nightclubs as well as radio stations and for private audiophile use! Why would an audiophile need pitch adjust, a separate start stop button when the 1700MK2 platter started turning as soon you moved the tone arm towards the record to play it? Something to consider!
Would have been cool if you flipped the phase of on of the side by side wave forms so we could have listened to the difference between the two players.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. I do a waveform comparison in *Part 1* between both of them, but if that's not what you are referring to, I'll need you to be more specific.
@cjsvinyl sorry I didn't mean to come off as hostile I did.
I was just saying that if you took the two wave forms from both record players, inverted the phase on one of them, then summed them together into a single wave form, what you'll get is the difference in sound between the two. I think Audacity makes this pretty easy to do.
The summed waveform wouldn't really be listenable, but if one record player has better highs than the other, the summed waveform would just be the highs that the other record player was unable to reproduce. You can probably read a better explanation on it than I can give you if you search "phase cancellation" on Google.
I got some "inside-out" cuts where you need to put the needle on the inside of the record and it needs to be played backwards in order not simply will remain in the inner end....:)
I am about to purchase my first ever turntable and was initially attracted to the LP120 as it seems to be recommended by many as a good entry-level turntable. However, after seeing this video I am reconsidering. What attracted me to the LP120 was that I didn't need an external preamp and could later purchase one if I decided to dive deeper into vinyl and was looking for more with my listening experience. I am not an audiophile by any means. I own a nice pair of Sennheiser headphones that have lasted me the past few years and continue to work.
I guess what I am getting at is, do you think I should invest the time and money into a preowned SL-1200 rather than purchasing an LP120 and upgrading the stylus, the counterweight, the preamp, and anything else customizable down the line?
I also want to know if you have any speaker recommendations for a beginner. Would there be a bottleneck if I were to have an SL-1200 with "entry-level speakers"?
Well, no matter what anyone else wants to say, ever since my eyes were opened, I'm not okay with any misdirection, and I promise you you've come to the right person. Based on your comment, I want to challenge you to think of a few other things first, so that you're going into the hobby for all the right reasons. First, ask yourself why you're wanting to get into vinyl records. There's obviously more reasons than just the music for people. If it is about the Hi-Fi experience for you, no built-in preamp will give that to you. I assure you, you'll only want to consider an external source for your sound booster, with no audio filters.
Second, are you wanting to become a DJ, or are you like me, and merely obsessed with the layout of the SL-1200? If you plan on just being a casual listener, you could also look at a used Technics SL-1300, or the SL-1600 if you're wanting a direct drive turntable. I chose the SL-1200 primarily because crossing over into the full Audiophile system, I knew if I was going to stay with a direct drive system, then I should get the best of the best. Obviously the SL-1200 can be for DJ, or casual listening, but there are other Technics solutions.
Third, ask yourself what your current budget is, and if you feel you can wait a little longer, and save your money up a little more for a nicer, used option. There's vast fields of incredible belt drives, that many will argue will provide greater sound than any direct drive TT. I was impatient in the beginning, and both I, and several of my records ended up suffering for it. I am forever deterring people from using ANY audio technica products no matter what anyone else says.
The biggest purpose of vinyl records, is to pursue superior sound. To get there, it can definitely be affordable, but it certainly won't be cheap. If you want decent equipment, expect to pay for used, rather than brand new. As for speakers, if you're looking for superior sound, some powered speakers may be okay, but that's all they'll be, just okay. What you really should be considering are passive speakers, with a really nice amplifier/receiver to power them. If you are definitely not wanting to do a passive option right now, and stick with active speakers, you may consider something by either Klipsch or Audio Engine. Those two brands make all different sizes/options for powered solutions.
Whether you go for a belt-driven, or direct drive turntable, just stay away from all imitation TT's of the SL-1200. There's only one SL-1200. I cannot recommend anyone taking the risk with the LP120, or any other imitation decks. I always recommend the real SL-1200 for new or returning users.
my antiskating in AT-LP120 works exactly the same as in yours technics. would anybody explain that to me?
I wouldn't go as far as to say it works _exactly_ the same as my SL-1200 since they were both manufactured completely differently. When did you purchase your LP120?
Cj's Vinyl well of course not exactly 😉
I bought it 5-6 months ago.
If yours was purchased brand new 5 to 6 months ago, it's possible you lucked out and got one of the new ones. The only thing is, not everyone will benefit from this because there's still thousands and thousands on the shelves that are defective.
You bought a new one that has the new, stronger anti-skate spring installed.
Have you done a review of the LP 140XP ?? Much better
May be wrong but I believe you can get a kit to correct the faulty anti skating but it's a pain to fit? Mine does work but you need it set to over 6 for a weight of 1.8 grams to keep it still in the CD test. Good video, cheers.
Hello, I want to buy the at lp120 device. Can I use it with the fosi box x4 tube preamplifier I bought from China? Will there be an increase in sound quality?.
I don't know anything about that device, but as long as it has either USB, or RCA composite (left and right audio) then it should be fine. Most devices are compatible, but I can't vouche for it's quality.
Where can you get Technics turntables? All of their models seem to be discontinued on Amazon. Thanks!
On Amazon, yes. You want to thoroughly search EBay. Try various searches for different SL-1200's. You've seen how nice ours is, and my wife and I purchased it used on EBay.
CJ's Vinyl They have new Technics now the mk 7.
Kinda figured there's a reason it's a third the price.
Exactly
Yeah but to have the Start/Stop button just go out all the sudden?! What if a DJ was performing with two of these lp120s at an event like a wedding? Cheap plastic and anti-skate issues is one thing, but you are f**ked if your deck stops spinning. You can't put a price on that.
I dunno where else to get this question answered, but a long time ago I was looking for a turntable before settling on the LP120. I came across an old model that used some kind of mechanism under the platter that reduced jostling causing the record to skip. It wasn’t magnetic, as far as I remember, but it looked pretty standard- I think a wooden frame- but it was that key element in the platter? I don’t know where I’d be able to find it, since it was half way across the country.
At least I won't have to pay for shipping to return my unit...all I spend is time and fuel. They are about an hour away from me. When you had them remove the pre-amp, did you request they return it to you so you KNOW it was removed? That's what I'm planning. Thanks for the tips on the anti-skate. It's just troubling that they would not fix it after you sent it in, and requesting you to send it back again. What is also troubling is that these fixes were suppose to be addressed with models that were made after 2017. When was yours made?
Now do a comparison between the Technics table vs the LP1240. That one has fixed the many issues the 120 has had.
That's not the point of these videos. The point is thousands of people on UA-cam and other online forums trash talk the SL-1200 saying it's junk compared to the LP120 because the LP120 has more options. The LP120 exists because of the SL-1200, so for people to make such backwards comments, I figured it was time to make a video of exactly the proof they all need.
São equipamentos diferentes. O ATP 120 é um equipamento para amadores com uma pequena coleção de discos. O SL 1200 é equipamento profissional e para quem possui uma grande coleção de discos ou o utiliza em casas de espetáculos.
Por favor, leia a descrição.
I have SL1210MK2 and Nagaoka MP-110 with the Nagaoka headshell too. It seems that your height adjuster doesn't go flush with the arm mount. Anyway you should get the perfect height for that combo using the original 6mm rubber mat (or something similar) or use some spacers between the cartridge and the headshell. The mk5 you have came with that dj style slipmat and not the 'audiophile' rubber mat like the OG ones :) Felt mats aren't the best if you wan't some quality in sound and you are not dj'ng.
Anyway it is a great turntable like you say. Have fun and keep posting these great videos!
You haven't seen my other videos have you? We already own the original Technics rubber mat, like the ones I demonstrated in Part 1 of this video, and the Nagaoka head shell still slants. We only used the slip mats in this video to show off the brand names. The rubber mats were used during the sound test from Part 1, because they were both the exact same measurement. Plus, I mentioned that the head shel looks slanted even when it's not attached to the tonearm. Like I mentioned in this video, I'm worried it's the head shell.
@@cjsvinyl Whoa :) I watched it again and it seems that you are way too tail happy in that video. Ok, I will checkout my headshell too... It might be wise to use the original Technics headshell...
Tail happy huh? We must be thinking of a different video.
You are right in your videos you are using 6mm rubber mat. I have MKII it comes originally with 6mm rubber mat already. I do not know why they used just 3mm for MK5 version... Many thanks for video. Very informative!! Good luck!
Hello, i watched tons of videos about AT 120 and i really enjoyed it until i watched you videos :/ now i dont know what to do, my budget is very limited so i have no money for an Technics. Is skating a big trouble for a casual user like me? Currently I own a soundmaster PL186H(some cheap one i got for 60 euros) and i really enjoy it but i wanted to go for something better. Should i still go for a new AT from mid 2019?(btw with problem button i dont think i'll have the problems you had with shipping, here in romania you get a 2 years warranty and the seller is the one that take the product for free from you, repairs it in 15 days and send it back for free)
Everything I provide my viewers is coming from first hand experience. It's not designed to be mean, it's designed to be honest. You need to purchase whatever you want. It's your money, you choose what to do with it. I create the videos I do to help people. That is my only goal. If anything I really wish I would have seen more videos like these before purchasing AT products, because I wouldn't have ever purchased their products if I had known. Just remember that no matter what your decision is, you don't have to buy a Technics, or an imitation of their turntables either. There are so many belt-drive turntables available, like Fluance, Thorens, and Pro-Ject just to name a few. Good luck.
Please, please tell me what was wrong with your stop/start button, as I have the same problem with mine. Thanks
I wish I could friend, but audio technica never told me, they just said I had to send it back to them for repairs. Logically, it's most likely an electrical contact that just died out for being subpar equipment. This was why we bought a used SL-1200 and haven't had one issue since.
I now know what the problem is with the anti-skate, its a spring that has either come off or needs replacing.
@@stephen579 Correct, but you adamantly requested to know what was wrong with the Start/Stop button not anti-skate. I could have informed you of the issue with anti-skate, which was something that AT was supposed to fix as well, and did not.
Bought one of them audio technica AT LP 1240 recently (£200 eBay) not a bad Turner. Sound quality wise my Garrard 401 slaps it🌚