The most exhausting part is there reliance on specific and nonsensical terminology, for things that aren't real. And then passes laws for us, based on it. Thank you for fighting this fight.
The caller thinks that because the author of the sequel connected it to the first story means that they are an anthology AND because they are an anthology that means something more than just how time works.
I'm constantly amazed at the density of your callers. This couldnt have been simpler, a small child could have grasped it on the first pass but you had to run it by this guy... how many times? FFS. Dont know how you find the patience.
Dunning Kruger at its finest. They’re out of their element, their know they’re out of their element, but they refuse to admit they don’t know what they’re talking about. Just wild
Regarding the issue of Christianity and genocide, Cotton Mather (1663-1728), the influential colonial writer, Puritan minister, and President of Harvard College, while opposed to slavery, was an ardent supporter of the total destruction of Native Americans, and drew support for his stance from the Old Testament, drawing parallels between American colonists and and ancient Israelites.
@@oliverthompson9922 the bible isnt opposed to sklavery , so real christians cant be opposed to slavery. I am certain that saying god was wrong is blasphemy, and blasphemy is a sin that can not be forgiven, and leads to eternal hell ( ther is not a single christian that never blasphemed atleast once in their life, so not a single one will avoid eternal hell.)
@oliverthompson9922 his opposing slavery was thr unbiblical and unchristian act. Especially when christians got their rules for slavery directly from the bible. In the same way he got his rules and justifications from the bible.
The Israeli test got lost walking from Egypt to canaan for 40 years, if I get lost on the way to the shops then IM GODS CHOSEN, PAY ME MONEY!!!! What a clownshow. Yet this is at least more honest than some theists.
The most hilarious part of the Expdus comedy is cmthe cannite region was part of the Egyptian empire at the time it was supposed to have happened. So they basically escaped from Egypt...to Egypt.
Christians (I was once one) are like children born in 1994. They only reference the Starwars prequels as cannon, they then throw out the original trilogy.
You were once a Christian? I would love to hear how in the first place, because you probably weren't involved in called Christianity in the first place. Most have called themselves, to their own Lord's day. Bogus. Religion is bogus, while God, is not. If you believed, you should still.
I was born in 1992 and I have never liked Star wars, I just witnessed other kids enjoying it, whilst thinking... "This isn't a good film." Lord of the rings blew star wars out of the water, I was OBSESSED.
How I see as you describe it has ramification for future genocides. As I said for Uber men mentality that get might is right, from a narrow minded and short tempered narcissistic god!”
Interestingly the justification for apartheid was exactly this. The Afrikaners conquered the indigenous peoples and claimed it was the fulfilment of biblical prophecy.
Of course. Look around you., do you think everything created itself??? Soon, Jesus will come for his people. Very soon. What will you say then? Jesus is the only way.
@guzmano99 That discussion usually goes something like this: free will exists when it's necessary for our argument and doesn't exist when it contradicts our argument.
His criteria for saying it's a type is basically if the prior event he wants to parallel the later event to is listed in the Bible (basically if it says it in the Bible) and sounds even vaguely similar to something else in the Bible (or if the author just says it's a type), then it's a type, and if the event paralleling the supposed older event isn't written in the Bible then it's not a type--but by his criteria if the American manifest destiny were written in the Bible (or written in that a book that would later become accepted as part of the canon), then it would suddenly become a type. Problem also is, by that criteria, both for people who don't accept the New Testament as canonical or for those in history whom it wasn't written yet or accepted as canon yet, this falls flat. It's only a type for those who believe it is, but for the rest of us it isn't. But if you’re going to insist on a type being real, you'd have to demonstrate that it happens in reality in history for it to be a type, and not just in books dependent on when the authors say its a type, or when some future readers of those authors come along and say it's a type. I mean it's better for sure to say it's a type because at least the authors of the book say it is, than to say that you think its a type because some later reader came along who misunderstood he authors and anarchonistically claims that is (and so claim something that the original author never intended), but even if the author of the book themselves says it's a type, that is still a tenuous claim yet to proven (and one which that author may themselves also be a reader who is anachronistically claiming so of a past author), not evidence for the claim of types and shadows. Thing is though, as I far as I know, types are exactly that, literary allusions of an author imposing their own ideas (sometimes anachronistically) onto a work of a past author (who I could easily assume was in no way writing with the intent that some future author would come along and reappropriate his work for their own purposes to either make connections that aren't there and/or change its meaning entirely--and its bad exegesis at that) and not something that happens in reality. You might as well say Jungian archetypes actually exist, and aren't just patterns of behavior that we ve come up with to describe (not prescribe) different behaviors that seem to be common in humanity (or in stories, dreams, etc). Hopefully this rant made sense, such a confusing topic to talk about because the belief is so confused, and especially because it takes so much longer to debunk false claims than to make them I find, unfortunately.
Your debates are great! Just started watching them. You are very knowledgeable about many parts of the Bible! I think it would be awesome to see some sort of long form scripted video essay from you on some subject. I'm sure you are capable of it! Very interesting channel.
If something can only qualify as a typology if the fulfillment is explicitly found in the Bible, then by that logic, no typologies could point to Jesus’ second coming either, since the second coming itself isn’t explicitly detailed in the Bible and hasn’t happened yet. This reasoning would undermine the concept of typologies altogether.
The point is there is good and evil in the bible through the power of distribution and transformation Our face spiritually is good and evil through the power of distribution and transformation on our shoulders with an eye of discernment
I think the caller is misunderstanding the nature of literary allusions. The New Treatment alludes to the Exodus story and to the book of twelve because the NT writers are aware of these texts. However, the Exodus writers cannot allude to the NT because they were unaware of the NT because they were written centuries before.
@ I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ve just been enjoying your channel lately. Why are you being rude? I was just curious since you both seem to be kind of popping off right now. No I haven’t see much of anything of Wes. I appreciate your vids and what you’re trying to do but you have to tone down the attitude a lil bro, not all of us are trying to argue. I’m kinda agnostic if anything and my dads dead 😂😉❤️
@@BirdieBlrrrd In deconstruction zones defence, I've seen many people come in here saying "you won't debate so and so, because you know you'd lose!" And other such silly things. Why don't you have a 'dog in this fight.' R3ligion is the bigg3st killa of hoomans 3ver. (Ai filter never lets that sentence through.)
@@BirdieBlrrrd Why don't you have a dog in this fight? Do you not see the damage religion does? The unalivement toll is bigger than anything else in history.
Yes the bible needs some deconstruction but humanity has made improvements in the many millenia slavery has been abolished in the world evil is at odds with good
Lol, focus in on the muting and ignore what is being said. The mentality of someone who doesn't want to think objectively about their beliefs. Cope. They mute for efficiency sake, the callers aren't saying anything new. It's like a dialogue wheel in a game, when you've played through the game more than once, you start to predict where the dialogue wheel is going next. Do you sit through dialogue you've seen before, or do you skip through it skim reading?
@WhoThisMonkey real main character energy you got there .. mute all the NPCs who call in and speak up in chat.. then bask in the victory of imposed silence .. that's how I win in the real world also.. my boss says something I don't like.. throw on the headphones .. if I can't hear him then it's over and I win..
@MKc-dv8xt Do you ever post anything besides crybaby whining? You should stop watching this channel if your fee fees are hurt all the time. Or maybe stop posting mental diarrhea.
Very rude to the last caller. And reading out an insult from a listener (something about the guest being a lady windbag) is just wrong. I love learning the arguments .. and have listened to nearly every video, but it would be so much more pleasent if justin was not quite so rude.... its really cringy
Your twisting what was already twisted the only win is you are destroying moral observance of the bible and pulling people further from God We are ment to rise above the beast which is our use of the power of God
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The most exhausting part is there reliance on specific and nonsensical terminology, for things that aren't real. And then passes laws for us, based on it.
Thank you for fighting this fight.
A dishonest interlocutor ! He reminds me of Ben Shapiro with his 13-year-old voice and fast talk
And 10 year old thought processing
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I was smarter than Ben Shapiro by age 6.
I thought it was a girl until I zoomed in on his pfp but was afraid to comment on it 😂
I heard you on atheist experience a few weeks ago, and haven’t stopped listening since! Your knowledge of the Bible is what I wish I had!
Over the years I've observed that conservative minds struggle seriously with understanding what analogies are and how they work.
"Analogy: The study of anything anal." (From the Book of Conservative Right Wing Mind Fuckery)
You say conservative, but it likely can be chalked up to neurotypical syndrome.
They are like someone trying to start and drive a big commercial truck without any training.
It stems from a complete lack of empathy.
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could be they both come from the same mental trait
His worldview is a cartoon. Not reality.
Th-th-th-thats's all, folks! 🐷
Moral oral
The caller thinks that because the author of the sequel connected it to the first story means that they are an anthology AND because they are an anthology that means something more than just how time works.
I'm constantly amazed at the density of your callers. This couldnt have been simpler, a small child could have grasped it on the first pass but you had to run it by this guy... how many times? FFS. Dont know how you find the patience.
Cognitive dissonance will make a man into a fool
Caller has given this zero thought beforehand.
Dunning Kruger at its finest. They’re out of their element, their know they’re out of their element, but they refuse to admit they don’t know what they’re talking about. Just wild
Regarding the issue of Christianity and genocide, Cotton Mather (1663-1728), the influential colonial writer, Puritan minister, and President of Harvard College, while opposed to slavery, was an ardent supporter of the total destruction of Native Americans, and drew support for his stance from the Old Testament, drawing parallels between American colonists and and ancient Israelites.
Yup. Manifest destiny was a very real thing.
He wasn't a real christian tho.
Apart from when he was opposed to slavery.😆
@@oliverthompson9922 the bible isnt opposed to sklavery , so real christians cant be opposed to slavery. I am certain that saying god was wrong is blasphemy, and blasphemy is a sin that can not be forgiven, and leads to eternal hell ( ther is not a single christian that never blasphemed atleast once in their life, so not a single one will avoid eternal hell.)
@oliverthompson9922 his opposing slavery was thr unbiblical and unchristian act. Especially when christians got their rules for slavery directly from the bible. In the same way he got his rules and justifications from the bible.
When you debunk it, all the sudden it isn’t a part of their belief equation and never was. They brought it up as evidence at the beginning though.
He doesn't even understand his own argument.
The Israeli test got lost walking from Egypt to canaan for 40 years, if I get lost on the way to the shops then IM GODS CHOSEN, PAY ME MONEY!!!! What a clownshow. Yet this is at least more honest than some theists.
The most hilarious part of the Expdus comedy is cmthe cannite region was part of the Egyptian empire at the time it was supposed to have happened. So they basically escaped from Egypt...to Egypt.
I have the answer to `how do you know!` Because it will then say what I want it to say, and match what I already believe anyway! - Convenient huh?
😂😂😂😂 100% the hermeneutic he's using
Christians (I was once one) are like children born in 1994. They only reference the Starwars prequels as cannon, they then throw out the original trilogy.
You were once a Christian? I would love to hear how in the first place, because you probably weren't involved in called Christianity in the first place. Most have called themselves, to their own Lord's day. Bogus.
Religion is bogus, while God, is not. If you believed, you should still.
I was born in 1992 and I have never liked Star wars, I just witnessed other kids enjoying it, whilst thinking... "This isn't a good film."
Lord of the rings blew star wars out of the water, I was OBSESSED.
@WhoThisMonkey I think you missed the point. And sorry no.
Fulfillment of prophecy is bogus anyway. Anyone can write a sequel to fit any prophecy in any book.
Yup
I misread that at first as “trigonometry” and couldn’t figure out how math is cope.
😂😂😂
There will be sines and co-sines.
How I see as you describe it has ramification for
future genocides.
As I said for Uber
men mentality that
get might is right,
from a narrow
minded and short
tempered narcissistic
god!”
@@JimiJams55 That struck a chord with me.
It’s a bit hyperbolic.
Interestingly the justification for apartheid was exactly this. The Afrikaners conquered the indigenous peoples and claimed it was the fulfilment of biblical prophecy.
You should ask them if they can prove Jesus without the NT
Of course. Look around you., do you think everything created itself??? Soon, Jesus will come for his people. Very soon. What will you say then? Jesus is the only way.
@TheJaredStein I would say, how do you know about Jesus?
@TheJaredStein I could also say that yes. Everything created itself or magic unicorns did this
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The answer is no.
The Bible, both OT and NT are the claims, they can never be evidence.
I would like to see a discussion on if God knows everything…how can we have “free will”?
@guzmano99 That discussion usually goes something like this: free will exists when it's necessary for our argument and doesn't exist when it contradicts our argument.
Free will argument is so hollow. Does my free will have the ability to surpass God’s will?
His criteria for saying it's a type is basically if the prior event he wants to parallel the later event to is listed in the Bible (basically if it says it in the Bible) and sounds even vaguely similar to something else in the Bible (or if the author just says it's a type), then it's a type, and if the event paralleling the supposed older event isn't written in the Bible then it's not a type--but by his criteria if the American manifest destiny were written in the Bible (or written in that a book that would later become accepted as part of the canon), then it would suddenly become a type.
Problem also is, by that criteria, both for people who don't accept the New Testament as canonical or for those in history whom it wasn't written yet or accepted as canon yet, this falls flat. It's only a type for those who believe it is, but for the rest of us it isn't. But if you’re going to insist on a type being real, you'd have to demonstrate that it happens in reality in history for it to be a type, and not just in books dependent on when the authors say its a type, or when some future readers of those authors come along and say it's a type. I mean it's better for sure to say it's a type because at least the authors of the book say it is, than to say that you think its a type because some later reader came along who misunderstood he authors and anarchonistically claims that is (and so claim something that the original author never intended), but even if the author of the book themselves says it's a type, that is still a tenuous claim yet to proven (and one which that author may themselves also be a reader who is anachronistically claiming so of a past author), not evidence for the claim of types and shadows.
Thing is though, as I far as I know, types are exactly that, literary allusions of an author imposing their own ideas (sometimes anachronistically) onto a work of a past author (who I could easily assume was in no way writing with the intent that some future author would come along and reappropriate his work for their own purposes to either make connections that aren't there and/or change its meaning entirely--and its bad exegesis at that) and not something that happens in reality. You might as well say Jungian archetypes actually exist, and aren't just patterns of behavior that we ve come up with to describe (not prescribe) different behaviors that seem to be common in humanity (or in stories, dreams, etc).
Hopefully this rant made sense, such a confusing topic to talk about because the belief is so confused, and especially because it takes so much longer to debunk false claims than to make them I find, unfortunately.
Your debates are great! Just started watching them. You are very knowledgeable about many parts of the Bible! I think it would be awesome to see some sort of long form scripted video essay from you on some subject. I'm sure you are capable of it! Very interesting channel.
This videos title should be called: Nicholas stepping in doo doo
He's having an ontological argument moment 😂
It's easy to tell if something is true or an allegory. If I need it to be either of those things at any given time, then that's what it is.
That Hosea reference was hilarious!😂
😆
He put himself in a tight position, with "typological fulfilment" now he's trying to get out of the assertion
We are beasts in the flesh we can only choose between good and evil
Beyond the flesh we are all traveling souls on a wavelength of light
I've alluded to a bunch of stuff over my lifetime. Maybe I'm the type. Maybe I'm Valentine Michael Smith.
Or it's only an illusion. 😂
Reminds me of patterns created by the Manderbrought set how it coils on itself
Evil or the imbalance is weeded out
Denzel Washington just got baptized
Denzel has been a condescending know it all (referring to god) for years. Money and fame can make you delusional.
If something can only qualify as a typology if the fulfillment is explicitly found in the Bible, then by that logic, no typologies could point to Jesus’ second coming either, since the second coming itself isn’t explicitly detailed in the Bible and hasn’t happened yet. This reasoning would undermine the concept of typologies altogether.
By that *reasoning.
Logic works one way only.
There's no good logic or bad logic, there's only logic and illogic.
@@WhoThisMonkey i’m not sure what your point is or what you’re trying to say.
Many evils have been done by mankind in the guise of God's wishes
Everything mankind creates or controls is done through the power of distribution and transformation which is in constant failure
The point is there is good and evil in the bible through the power of distribution and transformation
Our face spiritually is good and evil through the power of distribution and transformation on our shoulders with an eye of discernment
Mark, I thought Justin was talking to a woman, too.
😆😆
Very similar to the voice of a woman I know. I wasn't sure of the caller's gender, though it doesn't matter.
I think the caller is misunderstanding the nature of literary allusions. The New Treatment alludes to the Exodus story and to the book of twelve because the NT writers are aware of these texts. However, the Exodus writers cannot allude to the NT because they were unaware of the NT because they were written centuries before.
Heres one what if everything is happening right now and space and time are a deception
The bible is the reflected image of mankind at the time it was written
Hooooooly crap - seriously how hard is it to answer the question? 😂
Mabey you can use your deconstruction talent on governments around the world
Are there hearing aides for Christians ?
Yes, but unfortunately there's no thinking aides.
Justin you slew
You ever debate Wes?
Have you ever seen Wes debate an atheist? Go get your daddy and bring him to the stream if you think he's up for it
@ I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ve just been enjoying your channel lately. Why are you being rude? I was just curious since you both seem to be kind of popping off right now.
No I haven’t see much of anything of Wes. I appreciate your vids and what you’re trying to do but you have to tone down the attitude a lil bro, not all of us are trying to argue. I’m kinda agnostic if anything and my dads dead 😂😉❤️
@@BirdieBlrrrd
In deconstruction zones defence, I've seen many people come in here saying "you won't debate so and so, because you know you'd lose!" And other such silly things.
Why don't you have a 'dog in this fight.'
R3ligion is the bigg3st killa of hoomans 3ver. (Ai filter never lets that sentence through.)
@@BirdieBlrrrd
Why don't you have a dog in this fight?
Do you not see the damage religion does?
The unalivement toll is bigger than anything else in history.
@@BirdieBlrrrd you're "kinda" passive /aggressive
Howdy
Yes the bible needs some deconstruction but humanity has made improvements in the many millenia slavery has been abolished in the world evil is at odds with good
The bible is the word or god, true until I don't think it is. Stand by and listen to the theist twist and squirm and twist again
I did read John's revelations we can definitely see parallels in space and time
Which ones? You forgot to say!
God did not write the bible the broken did
Mute kings ... Mute folks in chat who disagree .. mute callers constantly.. mute and claim victory in the silence
Lol, focus in on the muting and ignore what is being said.
The mentality of someone who doesn't want to think objectively about their beliefs.
Cope.
They mute for efficiency sake, the callers aren't saying anything new.
It's like a dialogue wheel in a game, when you've played through the game more than once, you start to predict where the dialogue wheel is going next.
Do you sit through dialogue you've seen before, or do you skip through it skim reading?
@WhoThisMonkey real main character energy you got there .. mute all the NPCs who call in and speak up in chat.. then bask in the victory of imposed silence .. that's how I win in the real world also.. my boss says something I don't like.. throw on the headphones .. if I can't hear him then it's over and I win..
@@MKc-dv8xtkind of like how you mute other religions when they try and tell you Christianity is wrong?
@MKc-dv8xt Do you ever post anything besides crybaby whining? You should stop watching this channel if your fee fees are hurt all the time. Or maybe stop posting mental diarrhea.
@@MKc-dv8xtwow sounds like you are the NPC bro.
God gave us an eye of decernment of good and evil in everything
I discern that your god thing is demonstrably evil!
I searched for God and found him in everything
@@joeoconnor7725 Including cheese?
Very rude to the last caller. And reading out an insult from a listener (something about the guest being a lady windbag) is just wrong.
I love learning the arguments .. and have listened to nearly every video, but it would be so much more pleasent if justin was not quite so rude.... its really cringy
You won't let the man talk.
Why not pray to Jebus to let him speak?
To tell lies? Seriously?
Your twisting what was already twisted the only win is you are destroying moral observance of the bible and pulling people further from God
We are ment to rise above the beast which is our use of the power of God
Why do you keep forgetting that your claims are true?
On what basis are you speaking on behalf of your god thing? Why are you part of the scam?
Basically you are deconstructing the bible not God
So, the bible is not the word of your god thing?
This guy seems smart but it goes to show that smart people can still be deluded into believing BS like the Bible
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