Review: Eureka Mignon Filtro, Crono & Brew Pro Coffee Grinders
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Review of Eureka Filtro, Crono & Brew Pro coffee grinders. Includes test result comparing "fines" produced by each grinder. These machine grade grinders are a cut above appliance grade grinders featuring 50mm flat burrs in the Filtro and Crono models and 55mm flat burrs in the Brew Pro. The Filtro is a great value with better build, bigger burrs and price similar to a Breville Smart Grinder Pro and it's priced less than a Baratza Virtuoso. The Brew Pro features larger 55mm burrs engineered to reduce fines at medium to course grind sizes used for filter, drip and press brew methods.
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This was the most useful video I've seen on these grinders, especially how to use without having to use the supplied grinds collector. That's what I was looking for that other videos didn't show. I wish they offered this with a chrome body. I'm looking for something that pairs well with my polished silver Moccamaster. Thanks much.
By the way, I bought a refurbished Jura S9 Avante Garde superautomatic espresso machine from you over TEN YEARS ago now. It shipped like a brand new model, even down to a peel off protector for the drip tray. No cosmetic wear whatsoever, and no performance issues -- even the grinder is still working as new.
Maybe thanks to regular cleaning, descaling, and use of the Claris filter, it's STILL GOING strong after all this time.
That was a notably stellar purchase in every way in my life thanks to your company explaining to me how Jura refurbished models work and what to expect (when I was initially wary). It's been the same as buying new and has lasted three times what I read it should have, so thank you.
Hi UB, Thanks for the comment. Sorry none of these Eurekas are available in chrome. Many Mignon grinders do but aimed more at espresso grinding.
Thanks for your patronage and the 10 year report on the refurbed Jura. That's a great run and refurbs can be real values! No doubt regular maintenance can keep these machines going strong for years! I'm 4-5 years on Jura at home. 6-8 brew cycles a day so somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 brew cycles and no issues.
Marc
OMG finally just an affordable solid grinder with flat burrs that has none of the fancy stuff that
Hi Phil, Thanks for the comment. When I first learned the pricing on the Filtro I was amazed. Excellent solid no frills machine grade grinder with an amazing price point.
Marc
You know so many details about coffee making! It's amazing
Hi RC, Thanks for the comment. I'm lucky in that I have access to most every coffee/espresso product available and have worked with them full time for nearly a decade.
Marc
Just bought a Eureka grinder and I am very pleased with it. Top quality grinder, stylish and well built.
Hi John, Thanks for sharing you experience!
Marc
May i ask Which Eureka grinder john?
Marc
I got the Crono for a second grinder to be with my specialista. I need help my friend sent me the unit I found that I think he screwed the grind dial off or it came off idk. Anyway , I screwed it back on. I noticed that there was 2 washers attached to the dial idk if they are shims or just part of the machine. I need to zero the burrs. Is their an easy way to do this on this machine. I did the dial till you here them start to hit them back off a bit. But the number on the dial does not correspond to zero. I do mainly esspresso/Capps etc. maybe pour over. I want to use this grinder either for like pea berry or like a flavor bean or maybe just keep it filled with a Italian roast. Any help. Thanks!
I'm just gonna toss in here. A crono does grind effectively for espresso. I would argue better than a baratza virtuoso+. I was skeptical but actually I get less clumping than my baratza and it has a lot of room for finer grind. My espresso machine will choke Before I get close to the finest grounds. It doesn't clump very much until I'm past what my espresso machine will handle either. My machine is a gaggia carrezza deluxe with a depressurized basket and naked portafiler. First shots with the eureka crono have been flawless.
The flavor is broader than what I got on my baratza. I can pick up chocolate notes and the bright end notes of my favorite beans. I'm sure the more expensive grinders do even better.. for anyone considering budget options like an encore or virtuoso...I recommend a eureka crono over either!
Thanks for the info. What are your favorite beans?
@@louc6635 I buy local. I live in Denver Colorado. My two favorites are Pablo's coffee, little gem and Novo coffees espresso blend. I believe you can buy Novo online. Not sure about Pablo's. As far as bigger brands go I like stumptown hairbender. I really try to buy from local rosters only though.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. But to get the best results for espresso with a Crono, be sure to switch it to the espresso burrs!
@@Canman99 that's what I thought, but then I went to go buy them and in the reviews some people posted side by side pictures of the filtro/crono burrs next to standard burrs. Turns out they are identical.
@@notsam498 Yeah, because Eureka changed the stock burrs in the Crono as of last spring. However, you can put in the espresso burrs. They aren't the same. I just changed mine.
Thank you for your tests! Speaking of 25% fine fractions from Brew Pro - and what is the "normal standard" of this % for pour-over level milling should be? I mean if we get, say, 10% - will this be like top quality for V60? I mean I've done some tests too and found that if we separate the small fine grain from your coffee dose and leave the coarse mill only.. you'll get the wrong and unbalanced taste, there will be no descriptors stated on the coffee pack at all. Thank you in advance.
Hi DK, You are welcome. There really is not a normal standard. All grinders produce a range of grind sizes and depending on brew method that range might be a good thing or a bad thing. Type of coffee and its qualities plays a role as well. There really is no simple answer. Years ago when Baratza introduced the Sette grinders they were mostly aimed at the home espresso market. But, a lot of people started using them for pour-over and other brew methods. They complained the burrs produced a lot of fines. On that feedback Baratza created an alternate BG (brew grind) burr for the grinder to reduce the fines. It did reduce the fines but how did it change flavor? That's very subjective.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your answer! I totally agree with all your statements. I've seen the Baratza BG model but the price is even higher than the Brew Pro :(
And the main conclusion I made after the tests, that any grinding must have different fractions in the end, and if you get the "flat" taste from V60, we definitely should set the grinding wheel to more fine level.
- Oh btw, have you seen the new Eureka "Specialita Up" model? They put the the new display and the milling control settings. Plus new 65mm burrs... Now I do not know whether I should buy old Brew Pro 55 for my V60 or wait more to get the new one. Looks ideal, but not perfect too though, because it goes as universal version (from espresso to V60 and all others).
- Or maybe Libra Brew is the option?.. Omg it is a total mess from Eureka to understand what model would be best for V60.. why do they do that? :((
Cheers from Russia!
@@DimKim77 You're welcome! I have yet to use the new Up model but will do video after evaluation.
@@Wholelattelovepage I will wait for it! Subscribed! :)
As far as I got, these Crono\Filtro in your video are with uninersal burrs (2019-2020 models) and Brew Pro with brew burrs. Did you test a new 2021 version of Crono\Filtro with brew burrs?
Hi At, I have not.
Hello, i recently watches your eureka mignon facile recommendation for the gaggia classic pro
I live outside of USA and i found the eureka mignon filtro. Do you recommend the stock without any modifications Eureka Mignon Filtro for the Gaggia Classic Evo Pro?
I have no plans of upgrading to another espresso machine in the future. Hope you answer me, please ! 😅
Hi u, The Mignon Filtro is setup to grind for filter, drip or other non-espresso brew methods. The Mignon Facile is likely available in other countries under a different name. Look for Eureka grinder with a portafilter support hook, 50mm burrs and no timing functions.
Marc
Hello, I'm looking for a grinder which I plan on using for drip coffee. I'm wondering if the Cronos will produce so many fines that the coffee will not taste as smooth as I want. Any insight will be welcomed!
Hi Science, The updated Crono uses a burr designed for coarser than espresso grind size brew methods.
Marc
I love Eureka grinders. I have a Specialità and it’s amazing 😍
Hi Sandy, Thanks for sharing your loving opinion of Eureka grinders!
Marc
Thank you very much for the video, one question please, I have been given the brew pro and I wanted an espresso grinder, can the brew pro also be used for espresso? Thank you so much
hello, and thanks for making this video! super informative and helpful. i'm looking for a grinder for drip coffee - don't need much more than that just yet. would the filtro be sufficient for that purpose, or are the crono/brew pro worth the upgrade? thanks in advance!
Hi sm, You're welcome for the video! If you do not need timed grinding you really cannot beat the value/quality combo of the Mignon Filtro. The Crono is essentially the same grinder but with basic timing function for ~$50 more. The Brew Pro is a big jump in price with slightly larger burrs and 2 precision timed presets. It's probably overkill for simple drip coffee. Hope that helps!
Marc
What grind size setting would you recommend as a starting point for filter coffee with the Brew Pro. I have the grinder and just got a Ratio Six brewer with the european style #4 Melitta filter setup :) I mainly use light roasted coffees and grind 30 grams or 60 grams of coffee.
Love the videos from Whole latte love!
Hi P, Thanks for the comment and question. Nice grinder! So it's hard to say use a setting of "XX" for a particular brewing method. If me, I'd start with a medium grind, brew, taste and adjust grind. Generally want to go a little finer if you are getting sour flavors - under-extraction. And set grind a little coarser if getting bitter flavors - over-extraction. Hope that helps!
Marc
So now that Eureka came out with new 50mm Pro Burrs for the Filtro after this video was made, I'm wondering how the Filtro NOW compares to the Eureka Brew Pro. I imagine the Brew Pro at about $470 more is quieter still, but what's the estimated difference in that percentage of fines in the grounds now with the new Pro Burrs in the Filtro, I'm wondering. That's a big jump in price when I'm just looking for something to grind for my Moccamaster and occasional French press. Thanks.
Do the crono and filtro have the same burs as the espresso grinders like notte, silenzio etc. From all you have said it sound like these two grind the same as the more expensive machines, but without the bells and whistles and forks for the portafilter. Is this right? If so, seems like the best possible electric grinder a person on a budget who would rather give up convenience and keep everything in actual grinding performance. Do I understand correctly?
Hi Charles, Thanks for the question. Yes, you do understand correctly.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage how about the chrono dial knob is it The same with facile/silenzio? In terms of dialing in for espresso is it the same as facile/silenzio?
Hi, thank you for the review. How would you compare the Eureka Mignon Chrono to something like a Baratza Sette? I am new to espresso and am looking to make lattes and cappuccinos. Thanks so much.
Hi JT, Thanks for the question. Key difference is in build quality and burrs. Sette grinders are appliance grade with a lot of plastic used in construction so they will not handle abuse well. Eureka mignon grinders are mid-level machine grade with all metal construction where it counts. The Sette burrs are conical and the Mignon's are flat. Most experts prefer flats for espresso but the conical burrs in the Sette do a fine job and produce a very fluffy, clump free grind directly into a PF. Sette grinders are also rather loud compared to the Mignon's. There are 3 Sette models. I do not recommend the Sette 30 for espresso as it lacks micro adjustment of grind size - the 270 and 270Wi do have micro adjustment and do an excellent job. Grind size adjustment on the Chrono is very precise. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your detailed answer Marc. I appreciate it! Have a good weekend.
Wow that's perhaps the first grinder review on UA-cam that somehow addressed particle size distribution
Hi TM, Thanks for the comment. We always try to go a little further with the details, testing, etc!
Marc
I really like what I’m seeing in this review. Would any of these be good for Aeropress or moka?
Hi wm, All the grinders in this video can handle those brew methods.
What luck. I was just about to see if you guys had a video on this series of grinders!
Hi Guy, That is good luck! If looking for a video on coffee/espresso equipment, tips or techniques chances are we have it!
Our library is up around 1400 videos.
Marc
Looking to upgrade espresso grinder from my Baratza Encore (modded to be unstepped), debating whether to jump to the sette 270 (no w) or move to the crono and get a fork imported or 3d printed. Are these two comparable in their grind quality? What I really like about the Crono is the timer, which unfortunately the notte doesn’t have. I’ve seen the sette 30 compared to the crono, but the fact that it’s stepped vs the micro adjustment that the eureka allows, it seems not so comparable.
Hi ZZ, I don't recommend the Sette 30 for espresso grinding. It is limited by the stepped grind size. If you can take the noise, the Sette 270 is a very good grinder for espresso - Baratza considers it their best espresso grinder. It has excellent distribution into a PF and grinds very quickly and is very weight accurate dose to dose basded on timed grinding. Be aware it is susceptible to static especially in low humidity environments. Also the Sette has an appliance grade build quality. There's a fair amount of plastic used in construction and wear components like a felt friction ring between the micro/macro adjustment rings. The Sette ships with burr shims to restore fine grinding range afterr the grinder goes through a break in period. The Eureka grinders have machine grade build quality with metal used where it counts so one can asumme a longer lifespan. All that said, if I had a Sette 270 and a Crono in front of me I'd use the Sette. I've never felt limited with its macro/micro grind size adjustment. In fact, I used a 270 in this video showing how to dial in grind size: ua-cam.com/video/jOY7D02n4Cw/v-deo.html
Marc
awesome grinders, can't wait to get mine
Which grinder would be better to pair with my Gaggia classic pro the crono or filtro and I noticed both crono and the filtro don’t have the hook thing to place the paddle( I’m not knowledgeable about the equipment parts since I’m barely getting into this) could you just buy it and added on later?
Hi A, Thanks for the question. The Crono and Filtro are best used for methods other than espresso like filter/drip, pour over etc. That said, they can be used for espresso but they are not really setup for that purpose and the portafilter support cannot be added after. Currently the least expensive available Eureka grinder that's an espresso specialist is the Silenzio: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/all-grinders/products/eureka-mignon-silenzio-16cr-grinder-in-white
The Bezzera BB005 is a good lower cost option to pair with a Gaggie Classic: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder
Hope that helps!
Marc
Excellent Video and Comparison. Would you be so kind as to tell me if it is OK to use GRINDZ cleaning tablets in the Brew Pro Grinder? I have just ordered one from Whole Latte Love online in Canada. I plan on doing manual cleaning but was just wondering if these tablets are ok to use in between manual cleaning. If Yes do the GRINDZ tablets do a good job? Thank You
Great info and video. Thanks Mark and WLL ✌️✌️✌️
Hi The CP, You are welcome and thanks for taking a moment to leave a comment!
Marc
Hi Marc, would you recommend the Filtro over an Encore for very coarse grind French Press? I’d prefer a metal grinder built like a tank if the grind quality is equal, but would like the most consistent grind at the coarsest setting and want to make sure it gets coarse enough. I’ve been using a Rocky for many years at the coarsest setting. Thanks!
Hi T, Thanks for the question. Actually I'd take a look at the Baratza Virtuoso+ if French Press is your thing. The Virtuoso+ has the widest grinding range of all Baratza grinders ranging out to 1400 micron particle size. The Encore maxes out at 1200 microns. IMO you'll get less fines from the Virtuoso's conical burrs than from the Filtro's flat burrs. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Filtro and Virtuoso: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDc3MTY5OTIyODcyNiwyMDgzOTI1OTUwNTE4
Marc
Are replacement burrs on filtro same as Mignon Instantaneo (mk2) or are they brew specific like brew pro?
They only list one replacement burr set for these grinders
Really helpful video. Can you tell me if the Brew Pro goes fine enough for a fine aeropress or mocca pot - kind of like 19-20 clicks on the comandante.
Hi Marc, thanks for this. I'm looking to upgrade my grinder. You know I finally got my GCP and I've been getting by with a Baratza Encore. I was thinking about the Sette 270 but in my research they seem to breakdown a lot. Eureka has really solid machines at surprisingly good prices. The Notte caught my attention and I see it's selling for $329. The Cronos is a bit less but is a pain for espresso use as you mentioned. I think the Notte would match well with the Gaggia Classic Pro.
Hi Dan, You are welcome. Be aware the Notte does not have Eureka's silent system so it's rather loud if that makes a difference for you. The Mignon Facile Is essentially the same grinder but has the silent system: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
The Mignon grinders are machine grade while the Sette is a high-end appliance grade construction. Sette grinders with their straight through design are loud as well.
Marc
Thanks Marc, I have considered the sound. I like the silent feature. Do you think the Notte is louder than my Baratza Encore?
@@danjv You're welcome! Well, before the silent system we might have called them "you screech ahs" I don't have both grinders to put side by side but based on recollection it is louder than the Encore.
Marc
The difference between the two is $70. That's probably worth it, we'll see. Thanks again for all your help.
Great Video, thinking of getting the Chrono to pair with a Gaggia Classic. Would this be a good setup as first grinder? Beginner here and Chrono seems good value.
Hi Oliver, Thanks for the comment and question. The Mignon Chrono is setup more for brew grinding than espresso as it has no portafilter support hook and you cannot add one. You can definitely grind for espresso with it. But without the hook it's not very user friendly for grinding directly into a portafilter. Have a look at the Mignon Facile or Mignon Silenzio. Same internals as the Chrono but they have a PF hook. Facile is totally manual on demand with no timing functions. The Silenzio has timing similar to the Chrono and a huge selection of case color options. You can see them both in action in this video which covers the full line of Eureka Mignon espresso focused grinders: ua-cam.com/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/v-deo.html
and/or check them out here:
Facile: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
Silenzio: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-silenzio-16cr-espresso-grinder-in-ferrari-red
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage You absolutely can add a portafilter hook to the Chrono. I haven't bought one yet but I've read several reviews from users who have done so and I was easily able to find a 3rd-party plastic PF hook for £10 online in the UK - just search for "Eureka Mignon Crono Portafilter Fork - Plastic". There's also a 1st-party metal hook available, but at ~£40 I decided I didn't need it to be metal that badly!
This video is what i need right now! Looking for a new grinder :) thanks 😊
Hi t, You are welcome and thank you for the comment. My advice, invest in a machine grade grinder!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Mark! I think the Eureka grinders could fit good to my Rancilio Silvia :)
From a scale 1-10, how would the crono rate and the brew pro rate for a pour over? I’m trying to figure out practically how much of a difference the reduction of fines by the brew pro makes. Thanks!
Hi m, All grinders produce some fines but the Brew Pro burr design produces less fines than the Crono. I'd rate the Crono at a 4 and the Brew Pro at an 8.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage wow, that’s a pretty significant difference. Instead of just analyzing the fines, how would they rate in taste? Would the crono still be a 4 and the brew pro still be an 8?
What is the difference between the Eureka MIGNON FILTRO SILENT and the Facile?
Do you have a comparison of grinds distribution between the Brew Pro and the Baratza Forte BG?
Could you please inform at which setting (point, step) I should grind my beans from Turkish coffee to cold brew? I couldn't see any information about it on internet.
Hi Faith, Thanks for the question. Unfortunately there's no "right" setting for particular brew methods. Users generally eyeball the grind size based on the brew method they are using. It's a little different when making espresso which requires precisely dialing in the grind size based on one's particular brewing variables. Some grinders do have a general indication on the grind adjustment dial of settings for particular brew method. From there you can make subtle adjustments based on coffee flavor.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Marc,
Question - I have a silenzio paired with an silvia for espresso based drinks. Using a porlex mini for brew atm which isn't ideal. I'm struggling to see the difference between the silenzio and the chrono? Are the burrs just seated further away in the chassis and unable to be adjusted til they touch like the silenzio?
Wouldn't use the silenzio for brew, too much hassle to go backwards and forwards but I do want a brew grinder!
Great review!
Cheers,
Jimmy
Hi Jimmy, Thanks for the comment and question. Under the hood the Crono and Silenzio are essentially the same grinder with same adjustment mechanism. Differences: Silenzio can grind timed or manually on demand. Crono is time only. Silenzio has PF hook and no grinds bin. Crono has grinds bin and no PF hook. Silenzio has upgrade details on front of case. Crono is great for Brew. Step up is the Brew Pro with larger 55mm burrs with design for less fines at brew grind sizes and 2 timed presets or manual on demand grinding. Brew Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-brew-pro-coffee-grinder-in-matte-black
Hope that helps!
Marc
hello mark great video , quick question Is filtro enough for making an espresso shots ? or can you suggest me a grinder up to 250$/€
Hi GF, Thanks for the comment and question. The Filtro is not setup for espresso grinding. That said, it can grind for espresso. Just not easy to use for that purpose and the burr size and type is intended for press or filter brewing. The Mignon Facile is Eureka's no frills espresso grinder. Not sure of pricing or availability in EU it's currently $370 USD in US. It's possible the Facile may be have a different model name in EU: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for fast repsonse mark , you refer to eureka manuale , yea i will take a look at that ! thanks a lot.
I have a rancilio silvia and I'm looking to buy a grinder. Would the crono do a great job for espresso? You say that you wouldn't recommand it, why? Is it just the fork missing? And would it be abble to go to the same range of the other mignon like the silenzio? Thanks!
Hi RL, Thanks for the question. The Crono can certainly grind for espresso. IMO it's a pain in the rear to use for espresso as it's not really setup to grind into the PF without the fork. Grind range is the same as the Silenzio. Same burr/size.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the Quick answer! So you would say that it would be similar to the silenzio if I find some forks?
@@renaudlandry3502 no. Just buy some aftermarket container to dump the coffee to the PF. Something like WDT tools. With that your Crono/Filtro will be a true all purpose grinder
The watts on the Filtre and the Crono is the same (210w) because I saw some of the website says the Crono is 260w and the Filtre is 210w. Im confused.
Hi Kuroii, I have both Filtro and Crono grinders in front of me. Both are 1.9 amps according to rating stickers. That equals 209 watts for a 110 volt supply. Both grinders use the same motor.
Marc
Why does the filter have problems for the espresso grind?
Hi JW, the Filtro can do espresso grind size but has less precision for adjusting grind size in the espresso range. Also, it's not setup to grind directly into a portafilter.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc
Doesn't the Filtro use the same grind adjustment mechanism as the other Eureka grinders?
Is it true that the Filtro uses burrs that are specifically designed for filter coffee?
Great video, thank you
You bet
Can the brew pro go fine enough for espresso?
Hi DC, It might get there but it's really intended for grinding for brew methods using a coarser than espresso grind size like filter, drip, etc.
M
Is it true, that you can pause the grinding process on the crono at any time, when the button is beeing pushed permanently? I‘ve read that after you release the button, the timer starts running and only then it stopps the grinding? Appreciate the Video! 👌
Hi Jonathan, You are welcome for the video! Once the start button is pushed the Crono continues grinding until the set time is complete. One cannot pause grinding while in progress other than turning off the power switch.
Marc
Thank you! I have a question, can i grind only one dosis each time on the crono? (Not filling the grind container)
Hi AC, Thanks for the question. Yes. You do not have to fill the grind container. There is a timing dial which can be set in a range from 5-60 seconds of grinding. www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-crono-coffee-grinder-in-matte-black
Marc
just as I'm in the market for a grinder!
Hi JP, Perfect timing!
Marc
Curious how these compare at drip / pour over settings with the Specialita, and I wonder if they use the same burr sets (Brew Pro & Specialita) I'd think they would perform similarly if that's the case.
Specialita is a better option for espresso, but it will do decent in pour over. Specialita uses a flat burr while brew pro uses a special burr that is improved for pour over and drip. If you are planning to do espresso, I think you should go with the Specialita. But if you are just going to do pour over, brew pro is definitely the better option.
@@nazmyavuz1019 I looked it up and the brew pro also is a flat burr they may have adjusted something on the burrs so it's slightly different and optimized for brew/drip coffee rather than espresso. They look very similar though.
Hi Ben, Thanks for the question. @Nazim Yavuz has it right! The flat burr in the Brew Pro has a design which produces less fines than the espresso oriented burrs in the Specialita.
Marc
I think the eureka is what i'm leaning towards for a new grinder
Hi Steve, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so the Eureka minion filtro Chrono and note are the same motor and burr set ?
My two are mignon crona/filtro or breville/sage smart grinder, looking for something for primary espresso, currently have a modified kg89 from delonghi, will either if the Eureka grinders be good for that?
Hi bl, Thanks for the question. Eureka Mignon grinders are a big step up in quality from the Breville/Sage SGP grinder. The Mignon Filtro is aimed at grinding more for drip, pour over etc. so I'd look at the Instantaneo or Silenzio. No frills entry level in the Mignon line is the Facile but it has limited availabilty.
Marc
Good day! i am new to coffee world, just started working as barista 2 weeks ago and in love so far. I'm watching tons of videos right now, and your channel is the most pleasant to watch, really love milk steaming / latte art video :) I have a question, when i had intership, the coffee puck seemed fine, but when i ended intership and started working, i got moved to new spot with different espresso machine and coffee pucks (or packs? sorry, not sure, but the coffee that is left after extraction in the holder busket) are really watery, it's harder to clean, buskets are bit messy and packs contain too much water, to the point that sometimes there can be like 1-2 mm of water in the busket when i try to clean it, even after some time, not only when i just made espresso and instantly clean busket. My guesses are - the grind size or maybe wrong amount of portion in busket, but i'm not sure and should check the busket size, but we use 7.5g for x1 and 13g for x2 portion. Also i was tamping coffee a bit too strong (as far as i know the strenght isn't too important, just not too much or too low and i try to do the same all the time), i'm trying to tamp a bit less strong and seems just fine, but didn't work. I'm not even sure if it matters too much tho, just noticed a difference, happens often
Hi ds, Welcome to the coffee world! Hard to say why you have more water left after an extraction on the other machine. Could be a problem with the 3-way valve found in most machines. At the end of an extraction a valve opens which releases pressure and pulls water off the coffee puck. These valves can become blocked by coffee residue and or mineral scale deposits. Partial or full blockage of the valve can cause what you describe. Do you backflush your espresso machines on a regular basis? Backflushing with a product like Cafiza helps keep the group, shower screen and 3-way valves clean and operating properly: www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-cafiza-espresso-machine-cleaner
Here's a rather old video which shows the backflushing process: ua-cam.com/video/k1Vkfj83uyg/v-deo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks a lot for reply! We backflush every day during night shifts. I wanna try to clean shower screw but a bit nervous to break something hahaha, we have a bolt there, seems pretty easy, not sure if it will help but will try as well
Hi Mark, great video on th Eureka Mignon brew burr grinders. I just ordered a Technivorm Moccamaster KBT 741. For more or less a decade I've been using an Alessi 9090 Stovetop Espresso maker. I intend to use both coffee makers. What coffee grinder would you recommend for both coffee machines?
Hi nycjake, Thanks for the comment and question. Depends on how particular you are. If you want the best possible grind for the Technivorm go with the Brew Pro. Problem with that is you will not get fine enough for espresso. Filtro and Crono can do espresso grind but you'll have a few more fines at drip grind size. Is that a big deal? Depends on how particular you are. For the average coffee drinker They'd likely never tell a difference in drip made with a few more fines.Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your thoughtful reply. The Alessi 9090 although called a Stovetop "Espresso" Maker lacks sufficient pressure (approaches only 2 atmospheres) to make a true espresso. Considering the Brew Pro's price point and the fact both the Filtro and the Crono can both do good drip grinds for the Technivorm it becomes a business decision.
Hey, do you know if it would be possible to use for espresso on a flair espresso maker? And is it usable for single dosing?
Hi Max, Thanks for the question. The Filtro and Crono can grind at espresso sizes so could be used for the purpose.
Marc
is the Crono grinder stepless? because i think if it is stepless, then it has a potential to produce quit nice espresso
H[i x h, Yes the Crono is a stepless grinder.
Marc
i got chemex i am thinking about going to the pro vs the virtusso+, do you think its going to make that much a difference/? what ya think
Hey Chris, Thanks for the question. The Virtuoso plus is perfectly capable of grinding for Chemex and for many it gets the job done. That said the Brew Pro is a far superior build quality - it's a machine, the Virtuoso+ is appliance grade. More important perhaps to those serious about their grind is the larger 55mm commercial flat burrs in the Brew Pro and 2 timed grinding presets + manual grinding. The Virtuoso+ uses a 40mm conical burr. It grinds slower with less consistency in particle size. Hope that helps!
Marc
I want to replace a grinder in the $200 range and am thinking of heading all the way up to the Eureka Mignon Brew Pro.
Is this a heavy duty grinder that is going to last for years and years ?
Hi pwW, Thanks for the question. Yes. It is a machine grade grinder with no plastic parts where it counts so should have an excellent service life
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the info. I really do love your enthusiasm for your job. It shows in your UA-cam reviews. S U B C R I B E D !!
Hi Marc! Love the videos! Are you going to make videos for the Zenith and the Helios?
Hi Jason, Thanks for the comment. I will be doing the Helios 65 in the next few weeks. Have 4 of them in studio now in red, black, yellow and white.
Marc
Many thanks for the videos ... What are your ideas for Eureka helios 65. I am waiting for you to make a promotional video.
Hi ec, I have the Helios 65 in the studio now for evaluation. Look for review video coming in the next week or so.
Marc
I’m having a real problem getting through to customer service. Any ideas?
Hi Michael, Sorry for the inconvenience. While I'm not directly involved with customer service I do know lines have been very busy and Mondays are typically the busiest. If you have a product or technique specific question I'd be happy to offer any help I can here in the comments. Just ask in a new comment on any video - that way I'll see it right away. If it's about an order or account specific I have no access to customer information/records so can't help with those. For those type questions you can try phoning later, send an email or online chat directly through the website. Contact info here: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
So crono is okay for espresso if you don't mind the dosing hassle??
Hi Pan, Thanks for the question. Yes - if you do not mind the hassle. For a better user experience the Eureka Facile is essentially the same grinder but setup for dosing directly into a portafilter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Greatly appreciated. (Though I'm afraid we don't have that many options here in Thailand, that and the fact that my budget is limited 😅)
which one would you recommend for espresso and pour over? mignon or virtuoso?
Hey b, Thanks for the question. It's always a bit of a compromise when using a single grinder for espresso and then other brew methods which use a much coarser grind size. But that depends on just how particular you are about your espresso as espresso is far more particular about grind size than pour over. Personally I would not use a Virtuoso for espresso. It can grind for it, but it's not precise enough for my needs when using standard non-pressurized filter baskets. That said, it can work for those using an entry-level espresso appliance with a pressurized filter basket. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you... so I'll pick mignon.
Can you single dose with those brew grinders?
Hi Vince, Thanks for the question. You could... they are not designed as single dosers and single dosing in brew grinding not as common as for espresso. I'd expect retention in 1-3g range but did not measure. You'd likely want to burn a few grams between grinding for a perfectly fresh dose.
Marc
So, would you say that the Brew Pro is still not espresso-quality? I’m looking for a new grinder that will do espresso, but can also do grind sizes for Aeropress, cold brew, even the occasional drip...
Hi Michael, Thanks for the question. The Brew Pro cannot be used for espresso. It uses a 55mm burr designed for brew methods which use coarser grinds. And, it's grind size adjustment is limited to those ranges. Check out the Mignon Specialita which has same, touchscreen control and similar price but uses a 50mm espresso burr set and can dose directly into portafilter. Next step up from there is Mignon Magnifico with 55mm bur set. Both of those available in many colors: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/all-grinders?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Eureka&sort=price-ascending&page=2
Marc
Hello, I am new to espresso making. So very thankful for your videos. I just recently purchased this espresso combination machine De’Longhi - Digital All-in-One Combination Coffee and Espresso Machine - Black and Stainless Steel
Model:COM530M SKU:6422017
I am having hard time learning how to make espresso, lattes, and cappuccinos and how to froth the milk and their customer service is not very helpful. Do you have any experience with this machine? I would really appreciate any input
Hi AC, I do not have direct experience with that machine but can offer some tips. For espresso, the machine uses a pressurized filter basket. Use a very finely ground coffee (espresso grind size) and fill the filter basket gently to top and swipe level. Tamping/compressing the coffee is not required in pressurized filter baskets but if machine came with a plastic tamper you can compress the coffee lightly to settle in basket. For espresso run until you get 30-45ml (1-1.5oz) in your cup. For milk frothing the machine appears to use an auto frothing wand. It does the work for you. Key with those wands is keeping them very clean! Any dried milk residue will degrade frothing performance. I recently did a video using an entry-level appliance grade espresso maker which probably works similar to yours. In the video I make a cappuccino start to finish. Watching the process should help you be successful with your Delonghi: ua-cam.com/video/fbHPjiST8Is/v-deo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for your reply. I Just tried making another espresso and it came out too light 😕
How does the Rancilio Rocky compare to these?
Hi JE, Thanks for the question. The Rocky is most commonly used for espresso grinding. While it's okay for that IMO it's a bit clumpy at espresso grind sizes. Also, it's a stepped grinder with limited ability for fine tuning grind size. While the Eureka Filtro and Crono can grind at espresso sizes and have stepless grind size adjustment for fine tuning they are most commonly used for brew grinding. If considering a Rocky I'd take a look at the Bezzera BB005. It's a great value in machine grade grinding for espresso. Here's a video on the BB005 I did a week or so ago: ua-cam.com/video/S749GYKA50Y/v-deo.html
Marc
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Thanks Marc, the Bezzera looks like a great grinder. I’ve been hoping to jump into espresso, and I have been impressed with Bezzera’s offerings. I actually have a Rocky, and I use it for my drip coffee (Technivorm). I did hear about it’s clumping at finer grind settings, but I figured that wouldn’t be a problem for drip, pour over, or french press coffee. I think it works pretty well. I found a grind size setting that works well, and I don’t have to adjust it. I weigh my beans out before each brewing and never leave anything in the hopper. So far, I’m impressed with the grind consistency. I was just curious how this compared to the Eurekas for drip grinding. The two lower-end ones are in the same price range. The one thing I had to do was create a grounds container to catch the coffee. I ended up using a plastic takeout soup container with a notch cut out in the lid for the spout. Works pretty well.
What’s the difference between this and specialita?
Hi PK, Thanks for the question. Assume you refer to the Brew Pro? If so 2 key differences. First, the Brew Pro uses a burr design that's better in medium grind sizes than the espresso focused burrs of the Specialita. Second, The Brew Pro's grind size adjustment is limited to grind size adjustments above the very fine espresso range. The Specialita grind size adjustment is infinite.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for reply!
Would the filtro be good for espresso, to pair with a gaggia classic pro?
Hi Frank, thanks for the question. You could use for espresso but it's just not setup all that well from user perspective. Grind quality is fine. See my comment to @Josie.
Marc
Thanks Marc for the reply
Thanks so much for the review! I'm looking to upgrade my grinder, and I mostly do Kalita Wave and V60. Torn between a Comandante C40 and Eureka Brew Pro, any suggestions? Thanks!
Hi AS, Thanks for the question. Brew Pro is a solid choice with burrs designed to produce less fine. Can't say much about the C40 as I have not used.
Marc
I prefer Comandante C40. That hand grinder is perfectly build for home brewers. So many brewing competitions won with it
The keith Richards of caffine.....lol
LOL
Hey Mahk! Lay off that caffeine bud!
Lol, Hey Jim you lay off the booze and I'll lay off the caffeine :)
Marc
I just really dislike the basket.
Hi Josh, Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Marc
Eureka Darth Vader ⚔️
lol
wtf is "machine grade" xD
Hi MB, Thanks for the question. I differentiate products by build quality. Machine grade refers to products made of metals where it counts with little to no plastic used in construction - products built to last. Appliance grade products use a lot of plastic or less robust components in construction and are not very repairable and/or not worth the cost of a repair if needed.
Marc
first
Hi Sandy, Thanks for the first!
Marc