Forfty years ago, I owned a Laverda 1200T, the motor sounded like no other, all of my friends knew when I had arrived at their home simply by the sound emitted from the sound from the Jota silencers that I had installed on the big Lav.
I have a GPF delete and a HKS exhaust on my GR Yaris and it still doesn't sound as good to my as my old Suzuki Cappuccino. That little 657cc when I was done with it had a rev limit of 10.5k with 20psi of boost. I miss it
@@ben1000bhp the sound is indeed a bit lackluster.. got the delete myself with a custom exhaust. Sounds nice yes, but I do like the sound of my 1.8 miata more
I was a Triumph T140 rider when a friend lent me his Laverda 1000. At low revs it shook just like a Triumph 360 degree twin but as the revs rose it smoothed right out (unlike the Triumph which just shook worse, but not as bad as a Yamaha XS2 650 twin I once owned).
At the risk of upsetting all the Laverda purists,I feel that the best sounding triple really is the 120 degree version...oops, that's done it now! Great vid!
Always a great video! I like the way 3 cylinder bikes sound. This one is quite unique sounding. Its very intense. Thanks for the video! I learn a lot from them.
yet another out of the box thinking design in the motorcycling engine engineering. sounds, err, a bit like a diesel tractor in fact, but it has some beasty charm to it.
fiat had a similar inline 3 prototype multiair engine that behaved like a parallel twin. it had two small pistons balanced by one large piston. it was abandoned for an inline 3 with identical pistons when it was discovered the latter had the same fuel efficiency as the former, despite the former having a greatly increased cost of manufacture.
i often let my imagination run wild... watching one of ledans videos, it struck me... how about one large cylinder running at half the speed of a smaller cylinder? for no reason other than "for fun"...
@@paradiselost9946 would be more or less the same as a two engines coupled with a 2 to 1 gearbox. should run just fine apart from being inefficient due to lacking any balance. I also have a lot of ideas about engines, but nobody to discuss them with. we could become penpals :)
@@martin-vv9lf I am still think to design and build an 2 stroke and 4 stroke engine in one. that crankcase of four stroke pre compress and control timing of intake pulse of the two stroke cylinder. wat do you think about that?
@@Alexie3333 I don't understand the concept. You may run into seizure issues due to oiling, since 2 strokes require lubricating oil in the fuel. it will probably run for a while at least.
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I put a lot of thrilling miles on my Jota-spec 3CL. It felt less like a mechanical thing than the gurgle made by a very large (and aggravated) reptile.
In the eighties: Honda MVX 250 V3 two stroke! And Daihatsu Charade cars were tripple cyclinders, work m8 had one. They sounded quite nice actually.....
Very interesting. I knew the Laverda 1000, but never knew they had had problems to balance ist. I had had the chance to ride it, and the vibritions were small like a four cylinder-engine, the sound I cannot quite remember. What I didn´t like, was the requested engine speed to get smooth running. It would have been interesting to go with the later edition wiht 120° shaft. I ride my Kawasaki W 650 with only two cylinders and can afford even lower speeds - below 1000/min. That is the right thing for an old man. Thank you for the video.
Sounds a bit like my Pajero J-top 2.5L TD when I bought it more than a decade ago! As this particular JDM's turbo-diesel had a broken rocker, it was only running on 3cyls, but I drove home using all the residential & industrial back-streets so the smoke (& exhaust-note) wouldn't attract attention from the police!
I once had a Hyundai Accent 1.5 Tdi three cylinder. It had a balance shaft yet the Engineers left enough pleasant vibration for the driver to enjoy and smoothness at speed. I liked it very much for its "feel". The Laverda has a handsome side and a not so handsome side. The sticky out alternator was a carbuncle and a liability in a slide as the crank could be knocked out of true from a bump to this area. Performance in lower revs was also lacking but once underway at speed went okay. The exhaust noise was pleasant to the enthusiast. Developments such as Suzukis superb SACS engines knocked all the Italian manufacturers off their performance perch. Motorcycle design and performance had just moved on so far in the eighties.
Used to watch the Jotas, Ducati SS900s, Guzzi LeMans at Brands Hatch and Snetterton in the production racing class. Dave Cartwright, Pete Davies and Michael Hunt ran Jotas, my memory is faded sadly, Ray Knight on the Dresda Honda? I also seem to remember Dave Cartwright on a stunning 900 Ducati. They all sounded just wonderful. Edit: Dave Degens on the Dresda Honda?
I recall hearing that the 180 was more reliable as a racer (i.e. highly-tuned and sustained high RPM) because in 120 config the crank-pins tended to twist in the webs (it was a pressed-up crank, remember).
It was a bodge to use the parallel twin parts and tooling to build a three cylinder. Triumph did the same with the Trident although, for some unexplainable reason, that used an expensive forged and twisted crank while the rest of the motor was a lash up
@@obnobn2345 I don't think anyone was speaking negatively on it. It sure seemed like everyone commenting seems to appreciate it, not be bothered by it. The only negative-ish response I noticed was actually in response to you. So I don't see the problem here that you see. Maybe it's you, that is the tool. We all love these videos, and as far as I'm aware/where I live, it's not forbidden or socially taboo to discuss the way someone speaks as long as it is done respectfully and not in a disparaging manner. Which I see you being the only one speaking in such a way. Have a nice day, hope it goes better for you, whatever's got you bothered, I hope it sorts itself out.
The Mighty 3C/Jota . A Powerhouse from yesteryear . Very fast , stable and beautiful . Surprisingly reliable for an Italian of that era too . Mostly Electricals let them down , same as the British.....🤣. And the Sound was NOT like a " 4 with a dead cylinder " . Not even close .
I alwways wanted a Jota (but could never afford one) as they had the power of the japanese 4's but the handling of the good british twins, loved the sound of the 180's but preferred the smoothness of the 120's, nowadays I spend my time packing Laverda combines into containers for export to developing countries, funny old life innit.
"I always wanted a Jota (but could never afford one)". Yeah, me too. I ended up buying an Alpina 500 twin and was very disappointed to discover that it was not as fast as, nor did it handle as well as the Honda CB400F that I sold in order to buy it. It was a really good looking bike though!
Perhaps you should make one with the centre cylinder twice the capacity of the outer two (for better balancing) with the centre cylinder having 4 valves per cylinder, and the outer tow cylinders having two valves. That would be an odd engine.
or you could make an engine with a cast iron piston balanced by two aluminium pistons, and have them all the same size, since the former is 3 times the weight.
@@martin-vv9lf During the shortage of aluminum during the second world war, cast iron was tried for Pistons, but it needed copper adding to increase thermal conductivity. You could just make an aluminum piston a bit chunkier, to make it heavier.
Why not use a 3 cylinder block with one over sized cylinder to provide a built in 2 cycle supercharger... Outer cylinders 4 cycle center cylinder 2 cycle with bigger bore and higher compression to feed a big plenum to supercharge the whole works.... Might work 🤷🤔🧐
From listening to this video, I prefer the 180 degrees (flat crank) over the 120 degrees (Ao ouvir este vídeo, prefiro os 180 graus (manivela plana) do que os 120 graus).
Ever noticed a 4 cyl in a bike sticking out? The width is just perfect for a bike and it runs smoother then a 2 cyl with the same cc's placed inline. Quite logical i guess
Size constraints, regulations, etc. For bikes a 3cyl allows the bike to have a slimmer front fascia making it lore slippery as an example. Another one would be GR Yaris/GR Corolla's G16E-GTS which is also used in the Rally2 version of the GR Yaris. A 3cyl configuration was used because it has better turbo scavenging and providing the same amount of power they needed while being slightly lighter as well. Audi's Inline-5 is a way to provide a smoother engine than a 4cyl but without the added complexity of a V configuration.
Why not use a 3 cylinder block with one over sized cylinder to provide a built in 2 cycle supercharger... Outer cylinders 4 cycle center cylinder 2 cycle with bigger bore and higher compression to feed a big plenum to supercharge the whole works.... Might work 🤷🤔🧐
The bike was Italian, the word was Spanish and the creation a British. I personally like to call things by their original pronunciation from the original country if possible.
I remember when I was a kid, my dad, who always had some hell of a car, came home with some small weird vehicle. Naturally, I went to investigate and told him if he can start it up. I remember that horrible horrible noise that came from the engine, and when he turned it off, I came to him asking what is wrong with it. He looked at me, didn't get the point of why I'm asking, because it feels kinda "normal" to adults used to it, but I actually refused to go anywhere in that car with him because I was so scared of that noise... It was an 1.2TDI 3 banger. The memory is so vivid that if someone forced me to drive it today, I would rather just push it off the cliff with myself in it, so it could not do such horrible things to another innocent kid again.
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Forfty years ago, I owned a Laverda 1200T, the motor sounded like no other, all of my friends knew when I had arrived at their home simply by the sound emitted from the sound from the Jota silencers that I had installed on the big Lav.
Who knew a four-banger with a misfire could sound so good?
Can confirm, I recently drove a lemons-prepped car on track with a misfire and it sounded kinda gnarly tbh
Still one of the best sounding triples ever. You could identify it from a mile away, just by the exhaust note.
It sounds terrible. Sounds like a regular I4 that needs a carb clean because it's only running on 3 😅
@@willl84 Each to their own. Taste is subjective. I can't argue with you, especially considering that you must've heard one on full song, in the wild.
@@willl84 you really need to hear it in real life to judge how good or bad it sounds
@@willl84 . Ever actually HEARD one ? Not even close .
@@johncunningham4820 literally the one in this video?? That's exactly what it sounds like
Sounds like a naturally aspirated diesel!
@RohanSanjith ... Sure did, but trust me they went like F£Ck
I quite love the 3cyl turbo in my GR Yaris, insane what such a little motor can do
Have the fiesta st mk8 and the 3 cylinder growl sounds so mean haha
I’m fortunate enough to have the GR and Jota. I love a triple!
I have a GPF delete and a HKS exhaust on my GR Yaris and it still doesn't sound as good to my as my old Suzuki Cappuccino. That little 657cc when I was done with it had a rev limit of 10.5k with 20psi of boost. I miss it
@@ben1000bhp the sound is indeed a bit lackluster.. got the delete myself with a custom exhaust. Sounds nice yes, but I do like the sound of my 1.8 miata more
I was a Triumph T140 rider when a friend lent me his Laverda 1000. At low revs it shook just like a Triumph 360 degree twin but as the revs rose it smoothed right out (unlike the Triumph which just shook worse, but not as bad as a Yamaha XS2 650 twin I once owned).
Such a beautiful bike.
#1 on my must-have list.
You are awesome, Visio! Keep it up!❤️
At the risk of upsetting all the Laverda purists,I feel that the best sounding triple really is the 120 degree version...oops, that's done it now! Great vid!
Noooo. I loved the 120 deg. Had a 3c for many years. Lived near Slater Bros, knew Richard & Rodger. 😃
Always a great video! I like the way 3 cylinder bikes sound. This one is quite unique sounding. Its very intense. Thanks for the video! I learn a lot from them.
yet another out of the box thinking design in the motorcycling engine engineering.
sounds, err, a bit like a diesel tractor in fact, but it has some beasty charm to it.
fiat had a similar inline 3 prototype multiair engine that behaved like a parallel twin. it had two small pistons balanced by one large piston. it was abandoned for an inline 3 with identical pistons when it was discovered the latter had the same fuel efficiency as the former, despite the former having a greatly increased cost of manufacture.
i often let my imagination run wild... watching one of ledans videos, it struck me... how about one large cylinder running at half the speed of a smaller cylinder? for no reason other than "for fun"...
@@paradiselost9946 would be more or less the same as a two engines coupled with a 2 to 1 gearbox. should run just fine apart from being inefficient due to lacking any balance. I also have a lot of ideas about engines, but nobody to discuss them with. we could become penpals :)
@@martin-vv9lf I am still think to design and build an 2 stroke and 4 stroke engine in one. that crankcase of four stroke pre compress and control timing of intake pulse of the two stroke cylinder. wat do you think about that?
@@Alexie3333 I don't understand the concept. You may run into seizure issues due to oiling, since 2 strokes require lubricating oil in the fuel. it will probably run for a while at least.
Thank you for another excellent video. Beautiful engineering and great sound. Well worth being a Patron.
You make great videos I'm not talking mess but I can clearly hear your taking so spech classes .. keep up the good work!
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0:07 how can a rocking couple ever be beneficial?
The GR yaris motors are pretty sweet three cylinders
3:08 , Nowhere near one of the first 1L bikes the public could buy. There'd been lots before that, dating back at least to around WW1.
I put a lot of thrilling miles on my Jota-spec 3CL. It felt less like a mechanical thing than the gurgle made by a very large (and aggravated) reptile.
Great video! Please, do the DKW 2 stroke I3 and keep the amazing job
What a sound with free breathing exhaust
7:19 wait, they started with a 120° crank and switched to 180 to reduce vibration, then swithced back to 120 to reduce vibration?
In the eighties: Honda MVX 250 V3 two stroke! And Daihatsu Charade cars were tripple cyclinders, work m8 had one.
They sounded quite nice actually.....
Just seeing the thumb nail i knew it was the Laverda 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yep me too :-)
Very interesting. I knew the Laverda 1000, but never knew they had had problems to balance ist. I had had the chance to ride it, and the vibritions were small like a four cylinder-engine, the sound I cannot quite remember. What I didn´t like, was the requested engine speed to get smooth running. It would have been interesting to go with the later edition wiht 120° shaft. I ride my Kawasaki W 650 with only two cylinders and can afford even lower speeds - below 1000/min. That is the right thing for an old man. Thank you for the video.
Your videos are as inspiring as the subjects you cover 👏👏👏👏👏💯💯💯
Sounds narley! I love my Yamaha XS850 triple. With a 3-2-1 exhaust it screams!
What is the name of that color at the 8:00 mark? It is absolutely gorgeous
It truly does sound like a 4cyl with a miss fire 👍
Sounds a bit like my Pajero J-top 2.5L TD when I bought it more than a decade ago!
As this particular JDM's turbo-diesel had a broken rocker, it was only running on 3cyls, but I drove home using all the residential & industrial back-streets so the smoke (& exhaust-note) wouldn't attract attention from the police!
beautiful sound just like the 2stroke triples especially the kh range sheer heaven😊❤
That definitely made an interesting sound for a triple
I once had a Hyundai Accent 1.5 Tdi three cylinder. It had a balance shaft yet the Engineers left enough pleasant vibration for the driver to enjoy and smoothness at speed. I liked it very much for its "feel".
The Laverda has a handsome side and a not so handsome side. The sticky out alternator was a carbuncle and a liability in a slide as the crank could be knocked out of true from a bump to this area. Performance in lower revs was also lacking but once underway at speed went okay. The exhaust noise was pleasant to the enthusiast.
Developments such as Suzukis superb SACS engines knocked all the Italian manufacturers off their performance perch. Motorcycle design and performance had just moved on so far in the eighties.
Ive only ever seen one in person. They're gorgeous!
Used to watch the Jotas, Ducati SS900s, Guzzi LeMans at Brands Hatch and Snetterton in the production racing class.
Dave Cartwright, Pete Davies and Michael Hunt ran Jotas, my memory is faded sadly, Ray Knight on the Dresda Honda? I also seem to remember Dave Cartwright on a stunning 900 Ducati.
They all sounded just wonderful.
Edit: Dave Degens on the Dresda Honda?
I recall hearing that the 180 was more reliable as a racer (i.e. highly-tuned and sustained high RPM) because in 120 config the crank-pins tended to twist in the webs (it was a pressed-up crank, remember).
It was a bodge to use the parallel twin parts and tooling to build a three cylinder. Triumph did the same with the Trident although, for some unexplainable reason, that used an expensive forged and twisted crank while the rest of the motor was a lash up
I love how he say however
✨Howeber✨
many langs don't see difference in those pronunciations
Even better is "development" outstanding, and adds character to these excellent, always unusual videos. I'm all for it.
This is how he practices English. Don't be a tool.
@@obnobn2345 His "howvevers" need a bit more practice.
@@obnobn2345 I don't think anyone was speaking negatively on it. It sure seemed like everyone commenting seems to appreciate it, not be bothered by it. The only negative-ish response I noticed was actually in response to you. So I don't see the problem here that you see.
Maybe it's you, that is the tool.
We all love these videos, and as far as I'm aware/where I live, it's not forbidden or socially taboo to discuss the way someone speaks as long as it is done respectfully and not in a disparaging manner. Which I see you being the only one speaking in such a way.
Have a nice day, hope it goes better for you, whatever's got you bothered, I hope it sorts itself out.
A healthy Jota is a scary beast; if you're passing through 5301rpm on a rising throttle, hang on, it's about to get V silly! : )
Love your stuff. You ever do a dive into the KZ1000 J model?
That 180° camshaft produced most unique sound,
It is almost comparable to a 2stroke sound and characteristics.
The Mighty 3C/Jota . A Powerhouse from yesteryear . Very fast , stable and beautiful .
Surprisingly reliable for an Italian of that era too . Mostly Electricals let them down , same as the British.....🤣.
And the Sound was NOT like a " 4 with a dead cylinder " . Not even close .
3:05
Kawasaki Z1 was 903cc, a 900!
Hopefully someone makes this engine in ATG's EngineSim.
Sounds like 180° twin or crossplane I4 like the R1
The guy spinning the jota bottom end over with the conrods just scraping over the crankcase join mating surface.......😮
I alwways wanted a Jota (but could never afford one) as they had the power of the japanese 4's but the handling of the good british twins, loved the sound of the 180's but preferred the smoothness of the 120's, nowadays I spend my time packing Laverda combines into containers for export to developing countries, funny old life innit.
"I always wanted a Jota (but could never afford one)".
Yeah, me too. I ended up buying an Alpina 500 twin and was very disappointed to discover that it was not as fast as, nor did it handle as well as the Honda CB400F that I sold in order to buy it. It was a really good looking bike though!
Thanks for showing this unique technology ! Now check out Nissan VC turbo 3 cylinder ! 😳 🌵
Proof that all good things come in threes
I'm doing a frame up restoration on a 72 Le Mans.
Pity the three cylinder VW Up! is so rough. It's not like 40 years have past and things got better...
Sounds like a rurd., looks great though.
Sounds like my bike when it loses a cylinder
Perhaps you should make one with the centre cylinder twice the capacity of the outer two (for better balancing) with the centre cylinder having 4 valves per cylinder, and the outer tow cylinders having two valves. That would be an odd engine.
or you could make an engine with a cast iron piston balanced by two aluminium pistons, and have them all the same size, since the former is 3 times the weight.
@@martin-vv9lf During the shortage of aluminum during the second world war, cast iron was tried for Pistons, but it needed copper adding to increase thermal conductivity. You could just make an aluminum piston a bit chunkier, to make it heavier.
Why not use a 3 cylinder block with one over sized cylinder to provide a built in 2 cycle supercharger... Outer cylinders 4 cycle center cylinder 2 cycle with bigger bore and higher compression to feed a big plenum to supercharge the whole works.... Might work 🤷🤔🧐
Without a balancer shaft it must have vibrated at low rev...
From listening to this video, I prefer the 180 degrees (flat crank) over the 120 degrees (Ao ouvir este vídeo, prefiro os 180 graus (manivela plana) do que os 120 graus).
MT09'S SOUND GODLIKE
what the difference with triumph T-plane ?
The T-plane is kinda a crossplane inline four with a missing pin. The 180° is like a flatplane inline four with a missing pin
Maybe it's because I'm American , I'll never undestand why companies make engines with odd numbers of cylinders
Ever noticed a 4 cyl in a bike sticking out? The width is just perfect for a bike and it runs smoother then a 2 cyl with the same cc's placed inline. Quite logical i guess
Size constraints, regulations, etc.
For bikes a 3cyl allows the bike to have a slimmer front fascia making it lore slippery as an example.
Another one would be GR Yaris/GR Corolla's G16E-GTS which is also used in the Rally2 version of the GR Yaris. A 3cyl configuration was used because it has better turbo scavenging and providing the same amount of power they needed while being slightly lighter as well.
Audi's Inline-5 is a way to provide a smoother engine than a 4cyl but without the added complexity of a V configuration.
Why not use a 3 cylinder block with one over sized cylinder to provide a built in 2 cycle supercharger... Outer cylinders 4 cycle center cylinder 2 cycle with bigger bore and higher compression to feed a big plenum to supercharge the whole works.... Might work 🤷🤔🧐
i'm glad those era are over
This engine sounds exactly like a 4 cylinder engine with a dead cylinder😏
I miss my 3cyl :(
Me too.
No no Viso. as The Jota was a british development call it a Joe-ta, in the english way 🙂
The bike was Italian, the word was Spanish and the creation a British. I personally like to call things by their original pronunciation from the original country if possible.
The SUBARU JUSTY HAS A 3 CYL DO A VIDEO ON IY
Meh! The faulty four
I remember when I was a kid, my dad, who always had some hell of a car, came home with some small weird vehicle. Naturally, I went to investigate and told him if he can start it up. I remember that horrible horrible noise that came from the engine, and when he turned it off, I came to him asking what is wrong with it. He looked at me, didn't get the point of why I'm asking, because it feels kinda "normal" to adults used to it, but I actually refused to go anywhere in that car with him because I was so scared of that noise... It was an 1.2TDI 3 banger. The memory is so vivid that if someone forced me to drive it today, I would rather just push it off the cliff with myself in it, so it could not do such horrible things to another innocent kid again.
✋🏼🇦🇺👍🏼
My dad has a Jota 120 and it sounds way better than the 180
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-three_engine EVERYBODY made three cylinder motors, for chrissakes.