PWA SLALOM X - How it really is!
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The obstacles together with the drone footage makes slalom racing more exciting to watch than ever before 🤙
Looks like a lot of fun and from a viewer perspective watching the PWA events, it will bring a new lease of life back to the sport! Cannot wait to see the first event!
The more I see and understand Slalom X the more I believe its going to be awesome to watch provided we have good drone footage as spectators. This is key for us armchair windsurfers. Great footage of the junping will also get more viewers even if its on youtube afterwards.
I also understand Obs will be on the second leg so why not have a 2nd Obs on the course say the 3rd leg. The issue I have is a faller once they go down at Obs 1 is most certainly out of the race even if someone drops a straight fwd gybe further down its unlikley they will catch up to be a thread to the leaders. A second Obs would keep the preasure on the leaders to make another faultless second jump and should they fall there is an incentive for the back markers (earlier fallers) to keep racing and not just give up which is very likley to happen. This will certainly make for potentally closer and more exciting racing as tactics, position, fitness, skill techniques will all count in every Slalom X race so we really do get a worthy overall winner (Ok, you're all winners but you get my drift ;-))
Those that just think its a circus, then lets give then a very high octane entertaining performance from start to finish.
This style of sailing looks like a lot of fun, and adds an element of excitement. From a safety perspective I want to say:
Someone below mentioned penalties if the obstacle is missed, which makes sense. So the penalty amount will need to be determined.
Also, if a sailor falls while attempting the obstacle, a following sailor might need to avoid that area, and it doesn't make sense to penalize them, as long as they don't gain a speed advantage. AMA Supercross has this sort of rule, where if a rider is forced to avoid/can't make a section, they can ride around it and will not be penalized if they don't gain a time advantage on a rider ahead of them.
I was thinking that too. I can imagine that it would be a difficult situation if a sailor in front of you didn't make the jump and fell. You probably wouldn't be able to sail around the obstacle because you're going too fast and are too close to it. You probably wouldn't want to jump because you might land on the fallen sailor. You can't slow down either because you must jump the obstacle to get over it. What do you do? Maybe the best thing is to make sure that you are not directly behind someone when you approach the obstacle. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens in real events.
I would also like it if there is like a two option one only speed, maybe more upwind, and the other a shortcut with a jump, so the riders need to decide
Great idea, reminds me of rallycross. The sweet spot may vary due to the slightest change in conditions - experience pays off!
If it is too complicated to do two track options, one with jump and other without, it could be just one track, but the sailor who opted to jump the sausage, at the end has for example, -15s to the total time. Like a bonus!
That's amazing, but it's difficult to adjust the 2 options to be always slightly favored to the jump. We're at the course moving marks non stop the whole day to adjust to wind direction, intensity, waves, tides, ferry lines...
Looks fun!!! Specialy the “distance” jumps are cool to watch with the high speed……
Separate’s the jumpers from the bumpers 😂
Looks great flying to the air. This could be a nice way to balance the scales between fin and foil in a race.
i think it looks great on camera and would be int interesting to see it in an actual race
Looks awesome!!! Thanks for talking about that little ramp right before the jump. It’s way more technical than it looks when going at full speed
Great race format,slalom x great show 💪
It seems exciting and fun to watch. The sausage however should be a longer than the one on this video. If a rider crashes the riders behind him/her should be able to jump and pass the crashed rider.
Yes, it needs to a lot longer, to cater for all 8 hitting it at the same time.
Yep, that’s what struck me too
Correct, it will be longer.
And higher 😂
I don't think it should be higher tbh. It should just force you to jump and that is cool enough for me. It should be a long sausage that makes you blow up if u catch a fin. Not a fuking wall of death xd. Also make lots of those obstacles. But just far apart enough so you approach it with full speed. Yooooo i can't wait this will be so cool.
Around 2003 PWA introduced Super X which was slalom including jumping over 'sausages', freestyle moves and loops.
It added some real action, and it was no longer only the big guys who won. And the brands developed Super X boards which were very close to what we ordinary windsurfers looked for. Boards that very seriousely fast and funny to throw around.
I don't know why it disappeared.
All the best
Per
Looking forward to the first race 🤙, spectacular !
Finally back 👍🏼 Fun to Watch those jumps and perhaps add some buoys for close slalom like in slalom skiing? Great for the public at the Beach 👍🏼👌🏼🤙🏼
Great initiatives to try to innovate for our lovely sport. Of course, things needs to line up and organising such a new competition style is a true challenge. But congratulations on working for the evolution of our sport and trying new things out!! The windsurfing community needs this push and fresh mindset!
Love the idea! Windsurfing is also called funboard, isn t it? This slalom w jumping looks really fun. And the beach start is a must as well!
Looking forward to seeing you guys jumping
It requires lots of skills, btavo! Very exciting to watch.
looks awesome!
Looks very exciting!!! Windsurfing it’s only foiling or wave. If PWA will show (Video transmission)Slalom X in a very spectacular way this will bring more people to windsurfing. Looks great can’t wait to see you guys on competition!
It is fun to watch and looks technical. I like it.
AMAZING IDEA!!!
Looks sick!! I can't wait to see Slalom X racing. Sooooo much more interesting to watch than foil slalom.
I love it!!
cant wait to see some racing 🤙🤙
Really good idea.
Firstly, congratulations on last year’s tour, despite hard times financially. As for Slalom-X, if the conditions are good I don’t think you will need any obstacles, but why not! The sport is spectacular enough, as long as there’s wind and waves
More entertaining for sure!
Loving it! Amazing riders working the uncertainty of the situation! I think that regular slalom (incl. foiling) has lost that magic somewhere and may be a bit boring to watch for someone who doesn't have own slalom board. We need some waves and jumps if people are supposed to sit at the very edge of a chair. I really keep my fingers crossed that this formula turns out safe enough and makes windsurfing great again. 😉
I think that a motocross racing (slalomcross) near de people (Les Mans Start) is much more interesting than just a speed racing very far from the public.
Sausages just before and after the slalom buoys! ...looks great any how!
It looks amazing, great spectacle and great to watch. What penalties are there for missing it ? Do you get penalised if you miss it to avoid someone who has crashed after it ?
I see this and think, why have I not been chop hopping my slalom board? Looking forward to getting back on the water when the 34-degree F water warms up a bit!
I'm pretty sure it could be fun to do, but i'm not really convinced about the interest from a spectator point of view.
Gr8 from a spectarors view :)
Hello! Very cool to see!!!!! and i'm guessing very cool to do, but what if there is a fail or two on the jump part, and the riders coming to the sausage can't send their jumps without becoming a danger to the fallen rider's heads? maybe making a wide door so people can go jump a little further away for safety, without compromising too much on the time it'd get to change the trajectory? KEEP UP THE VIBE! WE SEND LOVE AND STRENGH FROM FRANCE!!
I am very excited about the new Slalom X and am looking forward to it.
It's also a lot of fun to watch.
especially the beach start and beach finish.
But I also see great potential for unnecessary injuries if someone falls and is run over by the person following them.
Filming for viewers at home also urgently needs to be improved.
E.g. a fixed camera at each station, e.g. through a drone. that the surfers driving past seem very dim, but as a viewer you have a stable viewpoint from the camera point.
This is important for an immersive feeling.
Flying drones that fly over the field are nice but seem very far away from the action, even if they are very close to the individual surfer.
If possible, place a few microphones that have the original sound of the surfer, which creates a lot of feeling. possibly with 1-3 surfers on equipment (helmets or something like that).
Turn off the sound during a football game or car race, it's not half as cool
Great content. What about weight classes? There are so many dedicated windsurfers sub 70/80 kg but you cant beat physics 😅 Just think of the asian market, biggest by population and highly competitive in most other disciplines.
It's like super cross from back in the 90's. Old concept new gear
This will add entertainment value for the viewers, for sure! How will this work. If a person decides they can't jump it and goes around it will they miss out on an extra point or get a small time penalty? Is this something to add into the mix of racing?
They should make the start line like that.
Stoked describes it very well
Awesome for sure, this could be covered even better with a following drone, or a drone in front flying “backwards”.
I must be one of the few that likes slalom how it was recently with foil vs fin. This just seems like a gimmick brought in to justify separating the fin & foil because the old boys were scared the young guys were gonna smoke them on the foils.
The way the jump is done looks good. Better than the massive bouy from super X, at least a rider behind can see if someone in front has crashed.
Is this the same as the old Super X? Nice to see it back in a new format.
No, very different. I explain it all in the other video.
Lets make few sausage in a row 😝. Good luck.All my bests.
Also maybe equip riders with a woo like device and give +1 extra point for highest jump (like fastest lap on f1). Looks great as long as they're not too many, balance is important here or it could turn into a circus 😁 but looks promising.!
Didn’t the old slalom X format have a duck gybe on the inside too?
Is it possible to cut through the "sausage" with a sharp Swiss fin? 😉
Slalom X ❤
The sausage needs to be pretty long, you will need to have at least 10-15 meters to be safe. Could be dangerous with the fins flying over your head otherwise. But great to test some new things to "save" the fin slalom...
correct
It looks epic and funny and the same time. I'm just worried about what happens if someone crashes in the landing zone
Rightfully so ;-)
Like F1 and motorcycle racing, some people just watch for the crashes.
i dont like the concept. i think two separete disciplines , foil and fin would be enough. i also think adding lightweight heawyweigt divisions would attract more people to join the races. investing on live streaming , while commentaters explain what is going on on the course every 30- 40 minutes on live stream would hook more viewers . the quality and drone footages were quite good last couple of years..investing more on the streaming would get a very high benefit in long term .
it will be interesting and something new will be good. But I think this sausage is too narrow because, as you can see in the video, one of them falls over and the next one has no place to jump, except on his head or sail.
Maybe, keep it close to the beach
If the wind allows, yes!
@@BoardLifeNico did you guys practise the beach start en beach finish? Love to see a film about that!
@@wilcootte7408 Not yet!
@@BoardLifeNico the first one who gets the Fritz Kola on the beach wins the heat?!
Could be very dangerous if someone falls just after the obstacle and the other ones jump on him with very sharp slalom fins 🤕
in the actual race there better be a LOOOOONG sausage
or with crashes it will look like a Kindergarten play toy backed up lol
That was my main concern as well - even though I love the epic footage! But a longer sausage might be hard to fix in a defined line - especially in the waves. Maybe it would be enough to place it in the very last 50m of the course. The field of the riders is mostly very thinned out at this point. And even if the one in the lead would fall - everyone would still see who has the advantage in speed...
That is Windsurfing 😎🤙not the other boring stupid Wingfoling
I'm a fan I like concept. Too old to do it of course. 1980s defensive style. Hook in,hold on hard man but still useless😂😂😂😂
please give back classic slalom
It's pretty much classic slalom. Perhaps you can live with 5% altercation to the traditional format, just so all the people who actually like it can enjoy it. #dontbeselfish
@@BoardLifeNico He gave his opinion which you asked for. Then you call him selfish.
@@Phil-ry2ux I keep forgetting that sarcasm often doesn't work online.
The downside of the whole thing is that organisers have to opt for slalom x or foil slalom before the event. I understand why, but it will lead to more waiting, more aborted races, all the things we have forgotten about because with the foil you could go in lighter winds. Even Pozo and Fuerte can have light days, and it'll only become more unstable with weather systems changing due to climate change.
Disagree new format, with drone footage racing was yet spectacular without need of obstacle. May be more usefull try to concentrate energy reaching larger audience then modifyng format
I don't think we need any obstacles or any monkey business to make slalom exciting. Slalom shouldn't be a flat spot discipline where the fastest kit has a massive advantage. A lot of windsurfers are discouraged from racing because they don't have a chance to compete against the guys on new kit which costs 10 000. Most of the PWA slalom races which I have watched is just about having a good start and a good first gybe then the gap to the rest is so big that theres is no point watching the rest of the race. Instead just have slalom in more exciting spots, between the waves, where the most skilled rider can take an advantage. When its windy and the waves are rolling and anything can happen, people can crash, people can find speed between the swell, people are going to crash. There can be a qualifier for local riders before the races, have 1 or 2 local riders take part in the races, in difficult conditions on their home spot I think a skilled rider can outperform a pwa rider, have some new faces to make it more exciting instead of watching the same handful of top riders from the last 10 years.
Racing at Pozo could include the wave area, or at least the least gnarly parts, just have a leg along the break-line.
Thanks for the feedback! Don’t worry the fastest sailor with the fastest gear will still win.
Nice, but the future is foil slalom.
Does nothing to make me want to watch it more, To me it looks like a struggling sport looking for a gimmick to get more interest, gives an element of luck which racing should never be about.
All true except the "luck" part. An obstacle makes it more technical and complete, which I personally like. Otherwise we can just all go down the Luderitz strip, where jibes are not needed.
Any sport is trying to get more interest. Nothing really new.
Some sports aren't struggling, some are.
@@BoardLifeNico Nico thanks for replying. I'm coming from a human behaviour background, and 40 years windsurfing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with windsurfing, its brilliant. However, it does not have high appeal to young people, who have a huge variety of other interests available to them that are cheaper, require less gear, no car, not weather dependent, and far
more accessible. Adding jumps to slalom will do nothing to change the appeal to young people. I Wish things were different.
@@mindofown That's true. The impact on younger people will be (in my opinion) given through Slalom X, though very minor.
@@BoardLifeNico Nico now u r PWA Prz, while this is not a Trendy idea, I think Windsurfing is a perfect sport for 40yo+ and if we want to grow the sport again, we need to try and capture the 40+ people male and female