The music that plays in the classic Barrens has stayed with me for nearly two decades, I can't hear it without immediately feeling that same vibe I had all those years ago.
@@wmcarter6096 It will happen because they share devs with riot games so they know the upcoming MMO they have to compete with. They will soft launch an engine upgrade with yearly wow expansions which is wow 2
I find Metzen quite an impressive guy. Not only very experienced in the intricate workings of game development alone, he's also a decent artist, quite good at story writing and telling, musical... Let's see what he can once more bring to the table in this leadership role.
While he has done a lot of good work, his writing after 2006/7 has sometimes been questionable. Afaik he was responsible for a lot of the writing of Diablo 3 for example, which wasn't particularly good imo...
I wouldn't be surprised if we get all of the above but spaced out over a couple or a few years. We get one more retail expansion that ties up the cosmic/void story and at the end khadgar or a bronze dragon will go back in time and alter the original timeline making it so we don't go through the dark portal to TBC. So the revamp, classic+ and wow2 all become the same thing as we set off down a new timeline. During the retail expansion they'll have a season of mastery 2 to keep the classic players around then join everyone up for the "next generation".
Chris Metzen has some wonderful qualities and many are excited to hear that he'll be working on the game again. Can he "save WoW"? I don't know. I am curious to see what news Blizzcon brings. I also want C+.
I think the retail revamp is probably the most likely scenario, but Classic+ is on the face of things my desires option. I do wonder what the revamp would look like though!
Metzens return means nothing more than keeping people subbed hoping for better things to come. Its like the mall advertising santa. Doesnt mean anything its just sales
I just started my.claasic journey have not seen the old world since 2007 and omg its way better then retail not even a contest it actually feels like a full breathing world.
I'm really really hoping for Classic+ too. You can already see in Wrath the transition towards retail, with things such as character boosts, the WoW token, RDF, etc. It's gotten very raid log-y too. And if they go Cata then at that point it may as well be retail. I don't know anyone who actually prefers the classic style of the game that would be excited to play Cata. The only true hope for new content that actually caters to the Classic playerbase that would make us happy is Classic+. And I agree, this year at Blizzcon is the inflection point. The main classic trilogy is over and they have to make a decision what to do next with classic, it's either Cata (which means classic will become nothing more than a different set of servers going through every expansion until it catches up with retail) or it's classic+. Let's hope they choose Classic+
I hope so too. There's nothing I'd like more than to be part of the process of that Classic+ movement. This is the perfect time. They've done all of the Classic trilogy, now is the point where they must decide which direction to take their franchise in.
@@vulgrin9573 I agree completely! Even if Cata itself isn't as bad as people make it out to be, if they choose to make Cata Classic, then classic will become nothing more than a delayed release for every Xpac until it eventually catches up with retail. Do people really want to go back and play classic WoD, BFA, or Shadowlands? I doubt it. Going down the path with Cata is a slippery slope that really will alienate most of the Classic playerbase in my opinion. Retail is far too broken to be fixed, there is simply no undoing the damage done from over a decade worth of decisions that led WoW down a path I think was misguided. Classic+ can represent the new foundation for WoW and a start of something special that could actually bring back both veteran WoW players and new players. I truly believe it's the best hope to save WoW. But also don't have high hopes for Blizzard actually doing it, not without servers like Turtle WoW growing to the same size as Nostalrius. I hope I'm wrong and I'm glad there are servers out there like Turtle give us the Classic+ experience if Blizzard won't
@@dirkdoom6776 I agree it likely won’t happen. But it wouldn’t be for a small portion of players, I’ve read on certain sources that roughly 40-50% of players are playing a classic version of the game. Assuming that’s true, investing in classic is worth the time and energy of Blizzard in my opinion. At least worth a try. Also though, we never thought we would get official classic servers or official hardcore servers and here we are. Largely as a result of player demand, so who knows, maybe one day classic+ will happen. I wouldn’t bet on it, but I think there is a slim chance it happens one day
I would love to see a full reset in. Wow too but unfortunately I would settle for classic plus with new additional content, the reality will probably turn out to be classic with small changes and a new retail Chris Metzen inspired expansion
the reality is they will mess up classic+ with their retail team and anyone who still has trust in AB is out of their fricking mind. how many times they need to mess up WoW ignoring everything the players want? clsssic+ will bring the WoW Token like in WotLK and this will be the death of classic.
Look no matter what expansion that comes out, classic wow vanilla will always have players crawling back for a raw experience of wow…its moms home cooking, its the birthplace of all this and we all crave it for reasons that we can’t explain, if they do classic plus….its gonna break all barriers and probably be the most played and popular game once again…i hope this is what it is because although games have to move on…no game has grabbed my attention like vanilla wow
what are you talking about, all of classic servers are dead. and make no mistake about it. the hardcore servers will die aswell once the freshness will fade away. classic+ is not the future. revamp is the most likely to continue the game. but it wont "save the game". the kids prefer cod and lol over mmo.
It's not so much hopium as it was for Classic+, or what I would say is effectively WoW 2. The next retail expansion, from a creative lore standpoint, was probably overwhelmingly set at the beginning of Dragonflight, so it makes more sense for him to be on Classic or another Warcraft team entirely. I heard someone pose the idea of a Warcraft animated series or Warcraft 4. Of the options I've been presented, new a classic content makes more sense to me. That said, temper your expectations, even as pivotal a role as he played, Metzen is just a man and will be subject to the same corporate regulations and deadlines, whether or not he still has a creative flow for the warcraft universe.
I considered the possibility of the big announcement being Warcraft 4 or a Warcraft animated series, but the fact that they specifically refer to him currently working on World of Warcraft suggests that it'll be an announcement connected to that game. I think that you make a good point in regards to the retail expansion after Dragonflight already being worked on a good while before he got this role, though it's worth pointing out that he actually returned as an advisor a little under a year ago.
You're totally right, and many of the best and brightest who were there with him have either left, been kicked out due to their less than stellar conduct at Blizzard - or both! Lets just hope that there is still a grain of creativity and integrity somewhere in the mess that they can grow something out of.
That's the problem. People always have too much nostalgia and hope for this company. They do major fuck ups over and over again. 2-3 months later all the simps and shills have forgotten how messed up the company really is. Just look at the current versions they have: Hardcore wow quickly became a streamer cashgrab, and retail wow devs have no idea on how to contain their casual audience, developing the game solely after a 0.1% playerbase who are focused on world first content.
Yeah the skeleton crew of software engineers that work into porting the old expansions to work in the current wow engine will develop classic plus for you...oh and Metzen. Of course... and they been working on it for 2 months so they ready to announce it next month... super realistic!
@@jordangrisham813 WoW announcements of this kind (expansions) ususaly are done with 1 year or less left for the releaze date. But regardless, we go back the "people working on classic" issue. There's no game devs working on it, no quest designers, model designers, animators... is pretty much just coders working on porting the xpac data to current wow engine. You need a big team to work in new content, which they don't have and Blizzard won't give them. They don't even have gms to monitor the servers....
I think there sits the true magic of world of warcraft in its classic era. Wow was full of magic but it was also relatable. Zones either matched our world or matched huge fantasy worlds like lord of the rings. There was magic but when you travel you will mostly see mobs that were humans, orcs or mythical creatures from European fantasy lore. George R.R martin wrote his world where it matched our universe however there were glimpses of magic and magical creatures such as the children of the forest. It wasn't a bloated fantasy genre. LOTR was similar that it matched our universe but it also had magical elves and sometimes mythical creatures and some magic. Wow had some what this in the game where we werent having hyper fantasy mythical beasts thrown at us left, right and Centre. Of course u had magic from mages, warlocks, shamans etc but the world felt big and not very saturated with magic.
The most truly groundbreaking idea would be to start a new adventure from the very beginning of WC lore and that would be...BEFORE the Maelstrom when Kalimdor was one continent starting at the timeline when elves were dark trolls. Experiencing their evolutionary process from troll to highborne due to their exposure from the great moonwell...A time when Cenarius roamed the forests of Hyjal and oversaw the birth of the elven race and teaching them the druidic ways...The birth of Azshara and the rise of the Kaldori empire which saw them build massive structures all over Kalimdor, the very same ones that players saw in ruins as they leveled in vanilla wow...Her eventual corruption and the actions she would take to satiate her thirst for more arcane power leading to the coming of the Burning Legion to Kalimdor that would plunge the continent into war leading to the ultimate demise of the Kaldori empire and "The Great Sundering" that would sink Azshara and what was left of her highborne to the bottom of the sea ripping the continent apart into what we know Azeroth to be now.
I'm so excited for Blizzcon but I'm tempering my expectations. The most Blizzard thing ever would be to hire Metzen, bring him out on stage for a WoW related announcement, build it up like its Classic+, and then he announces Mobile WoW...
I like to think that he wouldn't return just for something like that. The man is doubtless fabulously wealthy and has no real need to do anything with Blizzard that he doesn't want to. Still, they've never failed to disappoint previously, so it's not beyond them!
Classic+ will be great, but I also hope they revamp graphics and animations to be more smooth and have variety. Melee animations, especially ones like warrior charge and DKs, look terrible from pre-WoD compared to now.
I agree with you to an extent, though I appreciate the "charm" (I know most will just see them as dated) of the older visuals and low-res textures. I'm a bit of a sucker for all retro graphics, be they PSX/N64 style, or the slightly more modern look of games like WoW, Timesplitters etc. The animations could really use improvement though haha
@vulgrin9573 There are aspects of the grittier art style that I enjoy, but at the same time I can't deny that modern WoW looks great (mostly lighting and edges). It has a distinct style that makes it age very well.
They dont have the balls to do WoW 2, it would be expected in the same way as GTA 6, maybe even would be bigger than GTA, huge gamble that could pay off but games are different now than when WoW came out, thats why many still play classic. I hope for Classic + , it would be amazing, the game really needs a good upgrade and some QOL features.
its not that there is no balls, theres just no talent to pull it off. the people working on WoW v2.0 would be the same schmucks who sank WoW v1.0, even with Metzen as creative lead, its probably just a figurehead/scapegoat title to get wow nerds excited and he holds no real sway over development.
Im quite sure they have plenty of talent, its 20 years later now in game development. The company itself changed from making its name in the world by making the best games for the player, to focusing on purely making money, everything else is not important. There is no way to make a good game just based on profit, its always a money grabbing pit full of microtransactions, and profit should come last. @@Shiirow
Y'know what my pipe dream is? Them overhauling classic with better graphics and engine and basically starting all over but actually telling a cool story this time. While putting retail in maintenance mode. When we venture to Outland, Illidan isn't evil and Kael'thas isn't insane. They eventually rejoin us on Azeroth because the Lich King is coming, and this time... he won't have some demented master plan that inevitably fails but he becomes a long-staying antagonist that frequently threatens the world. And he is voiced by the actual Arthas voice actor, who they offer more than a pittance this time. As the world evolves and changes, Azeroth remains the stage for all future events, the Scourge, The Legion, The Old Gods... No islands, no alternate dimensions, nada. A living and breathing world that makes people want to be there and adventure and explore, and not just a gauntlet of expansions, turning every iconic character into a loot pinata. This would be the way to resurrect Warcraft from the grave. But it's a pipe dream. What is coming is just another expansion with new zones and new rubbish to waste time on because one man - no matter how good he might be - cannot change a whole corporation on his own.
Here is what we want: Classic+ set during the first or second orc invasions (i.e WC1 pr WC2 RTS time) with revamped world in a new engine but with warcraft aestetic.
As incredible as a WoW 2 would be (it could be the Classic Plus reset packaged into a complete makeover: WoW 2), it is not going to happen. They have a huge player base on WoW still. They would castrate their cash cow.
If we go with "exploring a new timeline" then it wouldn't make sense to "only" go back to the start of vanilla, instead what if we went back to the start of Warcraft 3? Like a butterfly's wings creating a storm on the other side of the world, we'd influence the story to prevent the downfall of Lordaeron by preventing the spread of the plagued grain, effectively keeping the scourge out of the north part of the eastern kingdoms, the destruction of the sun well could be prevented as well as the Banshee Queen, and ultimately no forsaken but instead a much stronger High Elf race. How would this influence the burning legion and their attempt to destroy the world tree? Could we prevent the corruption and Death of Grom? Would Cenarius stay alive? Would Tyrande still wake up Malfurion? Would she free Illidan to help them?
Id like classic+ built as expansion after wotlk classic, like main story ending and they can move anywhere they want and built at again with new story for even new RTS game.
Loved the video would love to hear more about Classic+ on Blizzcon too. a quick opinion from my part for your voice recordings, try to compress your voice and give it a little more gain as it is fairly low! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback on the audio my dude, it's an ongoing experiment that I tinker with over time and there's definitely room for improvement! I think at some point I'd like to make a video detailing what I think would work and what I'd personally like for Classic+ as everyone talks about it but my view is that it's easy to get carried away with what could be achieved. Thanks again, I appreciate the support!
Althought my faith has been tainted a bit in recent years, I still like Blizzard and most of their games and I hope whatever damage has been caused can be healed, over time. My Ideal WoW game, (and I realize it might just be wishful thinking), is one where they incorporate Classic into Retail, allowing us to play through the old world Pre-Cata. I'm fine with them updating the graphics to fit the current game, but getting to play the game as it was once again, in the actual main game rather then it being a totally seperate game, would be great. That, or I want them to gradually overhaul the older zones, basically heal the damage caused by Cataclysm. This doesn't have to be the main focus, just occationally update one zone at a time whenever they can, similar to what they did with Darkshore and Arathi Highlands in BfA, with the War Campaigns. I wish that was just how the those zones looked permanently, even to low lvl players arriving there through leveling, and I want the rest of the old zones to recieve the same treatment.
Wow 2 could be possible if it was a reboot. Like a new vanilla wow, with modern graphics and so on. We could even have classic+ and the reboot. That would be awesome because retail is such a mess at this point it really needs a reboot.
So the 19+ years of progress many people have in this game would be lost or what? You have no idea how many people would just quit the game. Its only classic players who thinks its good and retail is far more popular and brings in WAAAY more money than classic. So no fucking way.
Classic+ and keep the design of dungeon and raid bosses simple and easy so many more people can enjoy them and have fun with them. It doesn't need to be hard to be fun and entertaining to drive a story forward :D
1) I will play "Classic+" if they do it right. But if they are even thinking of adding level boost and especially wow token, HARD pass! Maybe that's why they charge 50 bucks, hence no token? 2) For the love of God if they add High Elves (BEs) please update the bow animation to newer one. Was a big welcomed change later on. Old animation is aweful. A simple toggle would work. 3) Scarlet Monastery raid. Considering how popular SM dungeons have always been. Fill the empty and unfinished areas with content. Many places on the world map to add more. 4) If they will add housing which was a plan for Vanilla back in the days, don't make it like in WoD. Last thing we need is "empty" servers where people sit in their houses and "farm/craft" all day.
thanks for the chat. I enjoyed original WOW from release to Cataclysm. At that point, the game quickly lost my interest and I quit playing. I hopped onboard again for the release of WOW classic and played through to Burning Crusade. At that point with the decline of our server population guildmates transferred to a new realm and I stopped playing. I am curious what the next steps are for WOW. I would enjoy the option of servers that remain at Vanilla, TBC & WOTLK stages. I would play on all 3, to enjoy each on its own merits.
Best thing Blizzard can do is retcon the story past Classic WoW and start an alternate timeline of sorts I would love to see Warcraft 4 and the way things would play out there, wont happen though
The end of Bobby era may actually greenlight projects like WoW 2 and Classic+, especially with WoW 2 coming to consoles as well (or at least Xbox) or even mobile as well.
classic wow was never far fetched, people had been doing it for decades until Blizzard saw the profit in it and make their own. Cataclysm Classic is far more realistic a venture than Classic+.
With the end of Wrath Classic happening soon, they have a golden opportunity to do something special with the next stage. If they drop this ball, all hope is lost.
I agree honestly. I enjoyed Cata, but I don't think it really lives up to the intentions of the Classic project, and I think it would be a massive let down if that's all they do with Classic WoW after Wrath.
classic plus would be the death of retail wow, they dont even have enough staff to cover retail, and if they start diverting the staff to classic it would suffer even more. There is no chance in hell.
I like Metzen and I'm excited to see what change he brings back to Warcraft, but I hope he doesn't trample over the teams recent successes, repeating old mistakes. I'm not sure how much of an impact he had on Dragonflight, but it's a pretty good expansion so far. Not the best, but definitely good. Dragonriding has been a step in the right direction, and I'd like to see them continue to implement adventure game-like mechanics... but I also want them to bring more RPG back into the game.
@@tylerblue9691 Game development is a collaborative effort, as such he'll be at the table when they start planning a new expansion. We don't know what that looks like because we're not there when they're doing it, but I don't think it's accurate to say that creative decisions have NO impact on gameplay. Dragonriding likely came into being due to creative decisions relating to themes, locations, and story for the current expansion. I don't think it would have been implemented if we had an underwater expansion instead. I'm not saying he'll be directly involved in the gameplay side of development. His creative decisions, as well as any input he's afforded elsewhere will likely have an impact on it regardless. Just nowhere near as much as you seem to think I meant.
I'm going to make a 6 month review of SoD soon, but in short - it's a mixed bag. If you had asked me a few months ago about Discovery i would have just been singing its praises. Now, it's in a content drought period with the first level 60 phase delayed and people losing interest. I have many different feelings about this but the uncomfortable conclusion for me is that there simply isnt enough interest at Blizzard for a version of the game which lacks the same monetization potential of all the other versions.
Interesting. I guess it's Blizzard so money would be the main decision maker. That to me is unfortunately not classic plus. Not wow 2 either, as you said too big, and would likely be an overwatch 2 disaster repeat). I think if they make new content it would be for retail to try lure the classic players over so they can develop one game, not two. But as you said, a new expansion just seems like more of the same so doesn't quite meet the hype level of thier statement. Maybe it's just a "guys the next xpac is going to be great, promise.. look it's Metz, See!"
Yeah I think it being a revamp retail expansion is the likeliest possibility. I just hope bringing him back isn't just a false attempt at currying favour with the players. It wouldn't be the first time!
I don’t think there is much they could do to get people who have left retail to return, I don’t even look at the new expansions, the game has been soulless for years now imo. If it’s not classic plus or wow2 then it’s Riot for many.
@@wesparsons5331 If Classic+ means more than WoW Token, character boosts and shop mounts, i would be very impressed but i actually have no more hope for AB after all they did in recent years.
They could just reset the current game, and rebuild it from the model of Classic+. Games have made remakes before. They can keep the same general storyline, just told a different way - without the un needed clutter and making it more cinematic. I think they would benefit from making this remake or *remaster* an open world experience with little to no private instances.
WOW 2.0. A revolutionary new game with all that people loved about WOW with so much more content, and the Option of using new character designs that rival the best in the industry.
Why do people somehow think you would get a lot of content with a WoW 2.0? Using all the latest tech like 4k textures and assists, ray tracing, better lightning, environmental effects, dynamic weather. All of this would be VERY little content compared to WoW right now. You know how much longer 4k assets take to make? You would get easily half the content of current WoW.
@@bootywrangler1213 I agree with you honestly. I would like to see a second WoW game someday, but I'm honestly not bothered about it having super high res, photorealistic textures. Firstly, that's not the Warcraft art style at all, and secondly there is no chance an MMO developer would want to make a game which would only run smoothly on the very best machines. You want to make them as universal as possible
i could imagine minor content for classic+, but i think the big thing here is fixing retail which has gone down the dumpster since he left. We'll see what happens but this is big! GG guys
cmon guys... Metzen left on legion.. its not like he was not there when all those garbage expansions before were released.. And about classic +... I don't think Blizzard will every try that.. because it costs money.
you have a weird opinion on "garbage expansions" because none were terrible, not even WoD. It wasnt bad, it was just boring with a severe lack of content.
@@Shiirow really bro? after seeing the numbers going down like crazy I'm the wrong one? Bro.. I enjoyed every expansion cuz I was pvping with my best friend.. But numbers dont lie dude.. It's not ME and my opinion dropping them down every year.. sorry.
@@RED--01you cant just look at the numbers and say thats where it went wrong. The games interest had to peak at some point. Cata and MoP had as good numbers as vanilla.
@@Lizard1582 yea thats why they dont even show subs anymore right? probably the game doesnt even have a mil players anymore.Probably because the game is so good!
I would rather want more actual content and gameplay (classic+) - Instead of a less shitty looking game. Graphics are a novelty that wears off after 2 weeks.
@@LarsSigvard I agree Classic+ would be awesome. Along with upgraded graphics (irrelevant to me, maybe just performance upgrades), a good remake would also have expanded gameplay features that still hold true to Classic. For example, maybe more classes based directly on their WC3 counterparts, mass combat, etc.
here's my thoughts make rets good in classic+ and i'll play it or just give me cata classic so I can have fun ret gameplay with Long arm of the law back...eithers fine with me if neither can't be delivered I can move on once again. I don't think what I'm asking for is to shallow and to much I get what I want is a small part of the game but a small part that easily can be delivered compared to everything else :P I mean Original Wrath is when I fell inlove with Prot/Ret Paladin Cata increased that love and MoP perfected that love but WoD and onward I fell off with loving the class/specs I enjoyed and especially for bg pvp
I dunno, Metzen’s writing and general tone for his recent works lack the punch that his older works did. StarCraft 2 feels brighter and much less gritty than the first StarCraft did.
I think you make a good point and ultimately people forget he was part of the team right up to the end of WoD. Still, I wonder how much he was bound by the will of others at that time. Whilst he's working for Blizzard again now - he didn't really need to come back unless he wanted to. I like to think that he did so because he wanted to set things right, but you're right that his later work was poor.
I don't think it means anything yet. I think Blizzard need to lose more prospective profits first. It's probably up to us whether he controls the game or not, and that's decided by how YOU spend your money
I think it means he’s going to attempt to “fix” things in retail. Hopefully the storylines, lore and try to get back the core atmosphere of Warcraft. Last several years haven’t felt “Warcrafty” at all to me personally. I always believed Blizzard overcompensated when they had the social issues a few years back. And ever since then, things have turned to fluff. Not everything but the core, grit and metal seems long gone.
The Merger yes was the start but Ion Hazzikostas and the crew that came along with him like Jay Allen Brack. Those people and some other imo systematically turned wow into a childrens game for an audience that does not exist.Seeing as Metzen is coming back I really hope Ion and Co actually get fired or put into a role where they have 0 voice or control at all because they have earned that. Oh quick edit here when you said about bringing Metzen back I immeadately said in my head oh yeah because current leadership is basically killing the game and having the OG Metzen back and hopefully others who were around when he was there.
The idea of Vanilla+ is so exciting but there is one thing that bothers me with it. Should vanilla+ have entirely different content than original vanilla or revolve around existing vanilla content? If they build vanilla + on existing vanilla content the only logical option is to add dungeons and content after naxxramas because game has perfect pace untill naxx in both gear progression and leveling experience. There is no point adding new questing zones because it would ruin the leveling pace with many new quests added. Also there is no point in adding another raid between existing ones because for example i don't see a point in another BWL tier raid with same or slightly lower/higher gear lvl. In terms of new pve content, it means that vanilla+ content should start after naxxramas in order to keep the original progression pace intact as it is - perfect. Things that are not affected are small class tweaks and changes, making certain specs viable and minor quality of life improvements to keep the vanilla flavour. On the other hand if they build vanilla+ with brand new content, then it's no longer vanilla but a brand new game. In this situation people will again feel nostalgic about original vanilla and gravitate towards playing the TRUE 2004 vanilla in Nostalrius style and not blizzard one. What do you guys think?
Some great points here. I'll add my two cents (because I'll be making a full video about what I'd personally like to see in Classic+ in a dedicated video). I think that content would have to come after the end of the Vanilla game. We would defeat KT in Naxx 40, and sometime after that, the first new patch would be released. I think that new zones would be great and if so, it would make sense to start with stuff already in the world but not fully fleshed out, such as Hyjal (and maybe also the areas of the map which were left empty such as north of Stratholme etc. My strong opinion is that they would need to be very careful about introducing anything like a new continent, which was the pattern established from TBC onwards. Doing that slowly but surely removed higher level players from the old world and that negatively impacted the lower level experience. So much more I could go into, but like I said, I'll save it for a video!
What I think? Yeah, they are salvaging PR. They are using Metzen's standing in the community to hype the next crapfest expansion. What I hope? Classic Plus or even a reboot for the game with focus on the original world, but with some improvements and strong focus on the adventure aspects, and less focus on WoW simply being a framework for bite-sized gameplay.
I am confused, so what exactly do people think he will change? As far as i understood it, he was just an artist always, why do people think he is the right person to bring change? Maybe change in the art, but change for the game as a whole? I dont think so, Retail-WoW is for me not even an mmorpg anymore, you are just being teleported from place to place or you fly around the map, theres no mmorpg at all and the wow token is also very toxic for the game in my opinion, so do people think this guy will change any of that? I dont think so.
ok hear me out - new Expansion - Paradox - It replaces Cata and makes retail players travel back in time for a new expansion where they play with classic players combining the player base - the server completes a quest that stops CATA and creates a time paradox and new content for classic and retail together ....
its an interesting idea from a narrative perspective but the issue would be that many classic and retail players have very little interest in the gameplay of the version they don't play. If you combined the two, you'd have to either pick one style to go with or compromise which would likely alienate both bases.
You're always going to get min-maxers in any game, especially an mmo. The problem isn't that those players exist, I'd argue they're a part of the game ecology. The problem is when the game becomes focused around catering to them, which is what I think has happened with retail WoW
WoW 2 would be interesting, and isn't impossible. After all, Final Fantasy already had an MMO with FF11, and made FF14 anyway. I would really like an official Classic +, but could it really match what's already been done in private servers. Frankly, I'm more excited to explore Hyjal in Turtle WoW's upcoming patch.
I think that they could probably match what has been done on private servers, but I think that Blizzard seem always tempted to overly monetise their games to the point of sheer greed. The WoW token being in Wrath Classic is a good example.
They must bring back the composer Jason Hayes too! Vanilla WoW wouldn't be that what it is without his amazing music!
They also need to use AI Earl Boen to narrate our adventure!
sooo true!
Jason Hayes has already been back a few times over the years.
The music that plays in the classic Barrens has stayed with me for nearly two decades, I can't hear it without immediately feeling that same vibe I had all those years ago.
Classic+ has to be announced
its wow 2 on new engine
@@prodev4012 I would be surprised if it's classic+. I would be significantly more surprised if it's wow2. Don't think wow2 will ever happen.
@@wmcarter6096 It will happen because they share devs with riot games so they know the upcoming MMO they have to compete with. They will soft launch an engine upgrade with yearly wow expansions which is wow 2
Yup
This. Blizzard ditches retail and focuses on classic+ going forward towards new direction from the end of LK.
Classic+ would be the dream but i would be happy with a world revamp also
I find Metzen quite an impressive guy. Not only very experienced in the intricate workings of game development alone, he's also a decent artist, quite good at story writing and telling, musical...
Let's see what he can once more bring to the table in this leadership role.
While he has done a lot of good work, his writing after 2006/7 has sometimes been questionable. Afaik he was responsible for a lot of the writing of Diablo 3 for example, which wasn't particularly good imo...
I think they needed. Him for classic + launch on consoles.
A good story writer wouldn't need to retcon his old shit constantly to advance the nonsensical mess of a story he created.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get all of the above but spaced out over a couple or a few years. We get one more retail expansion that ties up the cosmic/void story and at the end khadgar or a bronze dragon will go back in time and alter the original timeline making it so we don't go through the dark portal to TBC. So the revamp, classic+ and wow2 all become the same thing as we set off down a new timeline. During the retail expansion they'll have a season of mastery 2 to keep the classic players around then join everyone up for the "next generation".
dont get your hopes up... this sounds way to good for blizzard standards
damn, thats would be so fcking cool man
Chris Metzen has some wonderful qualities and many are excited to hear that he'll be working on the game again. Can he "save WoW"? I don't know. I am curious to see what news Blizzcon brings. I also want C+.
I want Wow 2 > Classic+ > Revamp > everything else..
but i think Classic + is the most realistic best case
I think the retail revamp is probably the most likely scenario, but Classic+ is on the face of things my desires option. I do wonder what the revamp would look like though!
A Classic Plus announcement would be the greatest Blizzard announcement in a very long time.
Since Classic itself, no doubt
Metzens return means nothing more than keeping people subbed hoping for better things to come. Its like the mall advertising santa. Doesnt mean anything its just sales
I just started my.claasic journey have not seen the old world since 2007 and omg its way better then retail not even a contest it actually feels like a full breathing world.
DEAR GOD,
PLEASE WOW CLASSIC PLUS
I'm really really hoping for Classic+ too. You can already see in Wrath the transition towards retail, with things such as character boosts, the WoW token, RDF, etc. It's gotten very raid log-y too. And if they go Cata then at that point it may as well be retail. I don't know anyone who actually prefers the classic style of the game that would be excited to play Cata. The only true hope for new content that actually caters to the Classic playerbase that would make us happy is Classic+. And I agree, this year at Blizzcon is the inflection point. The main classic trilogy is over and they have to make a decision what to do next with classic, it's either Cata (which means classic will become nothing more than a different set of servers going through every expansion until it catches up with retail) or it's classic+. Let's hope they choose Classic+
I hope so too. There's nothing I'd like more than to be part of the process of that Classic+ movement. This is the perfect time. They've done all of the Classic trilogy, now is the point where they must decide which direction to take their franchise in.
@@vulgrin9573 I agree completely! Even if Cata itself isn't as bad as people make it out to be, if they choose to make Cata Classic, then classic will become nothing more than a delayed release for every Xpac until it eventually catches up with retail. Do people really want to go back and play classic WoD, BFA, or Shadowlands? I doubt it. Going down the path with Cata is a slippery slope that really will alienate most of the Classic playerbase in my opinion.
Retail is far too broken to be fixed, there is simply no undoing the damage done from over a decade worth of decisions that led WoW down a path I think was misguided. Classic+ can represent the new foundation for WoW and a start of something special that could actually bring back both veteran WoW players and new players. I truly believe it's the best hope to save WoW. But also don't have high hopes for Blizzard actually doing it, not without servers like Turtle WoW growing to the same size as Nostalrius. I hope I'm wrong and I'm glad there are servers out there like Turtle give us the Classic+ experience if Blizzard won't
Respectfully, wrath is more like retail than cata is
There is never going to be a classic plus. Why make something for only a small portion of players?
@@dirkdoom6776 I agree it likely won’t happen. But it wouldn’t be for a small portion of players, I’ve read on certain sources that roughly 40-50% of players are playing a classic version of the game. Assuming that’s true, investing in classic is worth the time and energy of Blizzard in my opinion. At least worth a try.
Also though, we never thought we would get official classic servers or official hardcore servers and here we are. Largely as a result of player demand, so who knows, maybe one day classic+ will happen. I wouldn’t bet on it, but I think there is a slim chance it happens one day
I would love to see a full reset in. Wow too but unfortunately I would settle for classic plus with new additional content, the reality will probably turn out to be classic with small changes and a new retail Chris Metzen inspired expansion
the reality is they will mess up classic+ with their retail team and anyone who still has trust in AB is out of their fricking mind. how many times they need to mess up WoW ignoring everything the players want? clsssic+ will bring the WoW Token like in WotLK and this will be the death of classic.
Wow will never go back to what it was. The game is ruined by players now not the devs.
Look no matter what expansion that comes out, classic wow vanilla will always have players crawling back for a raw experience of wow…its moms home cooking, its the birthplace of all this and we all crave it for reasons that we can’t explain, if they do classic plus….its gonna break all barriers and probably be the most played and popular game once again…i hope this is what it is because although games have to move on…no game has grabbed my attention like vanilla wow
what are you talking about, all of classic servers are dead. and make no mistake about it. the hardcore servers will die aswell once the freshness will fade away.
classic+ is not the future.
revamp is the most likely to continue the game. but it wont "save the game". the kids prefer cod and lol over mmo.
It's not so much hopium as it was for Classic+, or what I would say is effectively WoW 2. The next retail expansion, from a creative lore standpoint, was probably overwhelmingly set at the beginning of Dragonflight, so it makes more sense for him to be on Classic or another Warcraft team entirely. I heard someone pose the idea of a Warcraft animated series or Warcraft 4. Of the options I've been presented, new a classic content makes more sense to me. That said, temper your expectations, even as pivotal a role as he played, Metzen is just a man and will be subject to the same corporate regulations and deadlines, whether or not he still has a creative flow for the warcraft universe.
I considered the possibility of the big announcement being Warcraft 4 or a Warcraft animated series, but the fact that they specifically refer to him currently working on World of Warcraft suggests that it'll be an announcement connected to that game.
I think that you make a good point in regards to the retail expansion after Dragonflight already being worked on a good while before he got this role, though it's worth pointing out that he actually returned as an advisor a little under a year ago.
We'll see how this goes. Don't get your hopes too high. You gotta remember that Metzen was not alone with making wow!
You're totally right, and many of the best and brightest who were there with him have either left, been kicked out due to their less than stellar conduct at Blizzard - or both! Lets just hope that there is still a grain of creativity and integrity somewhere in the mess that they can grow something out of.
That's the problem. People always have too much nostalgia and hope for this company. They do major fuck ups over and over again. 2-3 months later all the simps and shills have forgotten how messed up the company really is.
Just look at the current versions they have:
Hardcore wow quickly became a streamer cashgrab, and retail wow devs have no idea on how to contain their casual audience, developing the game solely after a 0.1% playerbase who are focused on world first content.
Don't care about Classic Plus, we're getting it early next year from Project Epoch anyway, so hopefully Metzen's working on retail.
I didn't realise Blizcon was next month (3 Nov 2023), so fingers crossed for a Classic+ announcement.
Yeah the skeleton crew of software engineers that work into porting the old expansions to work in the current wow engine will develop classic plus for you...oh and Metzen. Of course... and they been working on it for 2 months so they ready to announce it next month... super realistic!
Announcing it doesn’t mean release it immediately calm down jose…
@@jordangrisham813 WoW announcements of this kind (expansions) ususaly are done with 1 year or less left for the releaze date. But regardless, we go back the "people working on classic" issue. There's no game devs working on it, no quest designers, model designers, animators... is pretty much just coders working on porting the xpac data to current wow engine. You need a big team to work in new content, which they don't have and Blizzard won't give them. They don't even have gms to monitor the servers....
I think there sits the true magic of world of warcraft in its classic era.
Wow was full of magic but it was also relatable. Zones either matched our world or matched huge fantasy worlds like lord of the rings. There was magic but when you travel you will mostly see mobs that were humans, orcs or mythical creatures from European fantasy lore.
George R.R martin wrote his world where it matched our universe however there were glimpses of magic and magical creatures such as the children of the forest. It wasn't a bloated fantasy genre.
LOTR was similar that it matched our universe but it also had magical elves and sometimes mythical creatures and some magic.
Wow had some what this in the game where we werent having hyper fantasy mythical beasts thrown at us left, right and Centre. Of course u had magic from mages, warlocks, shamans etc but the world felt big and not very saturated with magic.
The most truly groundbreaking idea would be to start a new adventure from the very beginning of WC lore and that would be...BEFORE the Maelstrom when Kalimdor was one continent starting at the timeline when elves were dark trolls. Experiencing their evolutionary process from troll to highborne due to their exposure from the great moonwell...A time when Cenarius roamed the forests of Hyjal and oversaw the birth of the elven race and teaching them the druidic ways...The birth of Azshara and the rise of the Kaldori empire which saw them build massive structures all over Kalimdor, the very same ones that players saw in ruins as they leveled in vanilla wow...Her eventual corruption and the actions she would take to satiate her thirst for more arcane power leading to the coming of the Burning Legion to Kalimdor that would plunge the continent into war leading to the ultimate demise of the Kaldori empire and "The Great Sundering" that would sink Azshara and what was left of her highborne to the bottom of the sea ripping the continent apart into what we know Azeroth to be now.
I'm so excited for Blizzcon but I'm tempering my expectations. The most Blizzard thing ever would be to hire Metzen, bring him out on stage for a WoW related announcement, build it up like its Classic+, and then he announces Mobile WoW...
I like to think that he wouldn't return just for something like that. The man is doubtless fabulously wealthy and has no real need to do anything with Blizzard that he doesn't want to. Still, they've never failed to disappoint previously, so it's not beyond them!
Classic+ will be great, but I also hope they revamp graphics and animations to be more smooth and have variety. Melee animations, especially ones like warrior charge and DKs, look terrible from pre-WoD compared to now.
I agree with you to an extent, though I appreciate the "charm" (I know most will just see them as dated) of the older visuals and low-res textures. I'm a bit of a sucker for all retro graphics, be they PSX/N64 style, or the slightly more modern look of games like WoW, Timesplitters etc.
The animations could really use improvement though haha
@vulgrin9573 There are aspects of the grittier art style that I enjoy, but at the same time I can't deny that modern WoW looks great (mostly lighting and edges). It has a distinct style that makes it age very well.
They dont have the balls to do WoW 2, it would be expected in the same way as GTA 6, maybe even would be bigger than GTA, huge gamble that could pay off but games are different now than when WoW came out, thats why many still play classic. I hope for Classic + , it would be amazing, the game really needs a good upgrade and some QOL features.
its not that there is no balls, theres just no talent to pull it off. the people working on WoW v2.0 would be the same schmucks who sank WoW v1.0, even with Metzen as creative lead, its probably just a figurehead/scapegoat title to get wow nerds excited and he holds no real sway over development.
Im quite sure they have plenty of talent, its 20 years later now in game development. The company itself changed from making its name in the world by making the best games for the player, to focusing on purely making money, everything else is not important. There is no way to make a good game just based on profit, its always a money grabbing pit full of microtransactions, and profit should come last. @@Shiirow
If we can just get the production value of retail with Classic's mechanics that would be the best.
Y'know what my pipe dream is?
Them overhauling classic with better graphics and engine and basically starting all over but actually telling a cool story this time. While putting retail in maintenance mode.
When we venture to Outland, Illidan isn't evil and Kael'thas isn't insane. They eventually rejoin us on Azeroth because the Lich King is coming, and this time... he won't have some demented master plan that inevitably fails but he becomes a long-staying antagonist that frequently threatens the world. And he is voiced by the actual Arthas voice actor, who they offer more than a pittance this time.
As the world evolves and changes, Azeroth remains the stage for all future events, the Scourge, The Legion, The Old Gods... No islands, no alternate dimensions, nada. A living and breathing world that makes people want to be there and adventure and explore, and not just a gauntlet of expansions, turning every iconic character into a loot pinata.
This would be the way to resurrect Warcraft from the grave. But it's a pipe dream. What is coming is just another expansion with new zones and new rubbish to waste time on because one man - no matter how good he might be - cannot change a whole corporation on his own.
Nothing will change untill the scum from marketing department will be fired and thier power in decision making will be taken away
I hope for Classic +
Here is what we want: Classic+ set during the first or second orc invasions (i.e WC1 pr WC2 RTS time) with revamped world in a new engine but with warcraft aestetic.
There's a retail and classic panel. But maybe they will have more warcraft news in the opening ceremony. Maybe a warcraft 4.
As incredible as a WoW 2 would be (it could be the Classic Plus reset packaged into a complete makeover: WoW 2), it is not going to happen. They have a huge player base on WoW still. They would castrate their cash cow.
If we go with "exploring a new timeline" then it wouldn't make sense to "only" go back to the start of vanilla, instead what if we went back to the start of Warcraft 3?
Like a butterfly's wings creating a storm on the other side of the world, we'd influence the story to prevent the downfall of Lordaeron by preventing the spread of the plagued grain, effectively keeping the scourge out of the north part of the eastern kingdoms, the destruction of the sun well could be prevented as well as the Banshee Queen, and ultimately no forsaken but instead a much stronger High Elf race.
How would this influence the burning legion and their attempt to destroy the world tree? Could we prevent the corruption and Death of Grom? Would Cenarius stay alive? Would Tyrande still wake up Malfurion? Would she free Illidan to help them?
Id like classic+ built as expansion after wotlk classic, like main story ending and they can move anywhere they want and built at again with new story for even new RTS game.
I'm playing classic Era after quitting in TBC and it's insane how great it is!
Loved the video would love to hear more about Classic+ on Blizzcon too.
a quick opinion from my part for your voice recordings, try to compress your voice and give it a little more gain as it is fairly low! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback on the audio my dude, it's an ongoing experiment that I tinker with over time and there's definitely room for improvement!
I think at some point I'd like to make a video detailing what I think would work and what I'd personally like for Classic+ as everyone talks about it but my view is that it's easy to get carried away with what could be achieved. Thanks again, I appreciate the support!
Please classic+ please, please, please.
Althought my faith has been tainted a bit in recent years, I still like Blizzard and most of their games and I hope whatever damage has been caused can be healed, over time.
My Ideal WoW game, (and I realize it might just be wishful thinking), is one where they incorporate Classic into Retail, allowing us to play through the old world Pre-Cata. I'm fine with them updating the graphics to fit the current game, but getting to play the game as it was once again, in the actual main game rather then it being a totally seperate game, would be great.
That, or I want them to gradually overhaul the older zones, basically heal the damage caused by Cataclysm. This doesn't have to be the main focus, just occationally update one zone at a time whenever they can, similar to what they did with Darkshore and Arathi Highlands in BfA, with the War Campaigns. I wish that was just how the those zones looked permanently, even to low lvl players arriving there through leveling, and I want the rest of the old zones to recieve the same treatment.
We do have a "WoW 2", its the graphical and game engine/world rework from Cataclysm onward.
Wow 2 could be possible if it was a reboot. Like a new vanilla wow, with modern graphics and so on. We could even have classic+ and the reboot. That would be awesome because retail is such a mess at this point it really needs a reboot.
I’ve always said if they relaunched wow with a new engine it would be a success. Just do some class balancing and it would be amazing.
So the 19+ years of progress many people have in this game would be lost or what? You have no idea how many people would just quit the game. Its only classic players who thinks its good and retail is far more popular and brings in WAAAY more money than classic. So no fucking way.
Classic+ and keep the design of dungeon and raid bosses simple and easy so many more people can enjoy them and have fun with them. It doesn't need to be hard to be fun and entertaining to drive a story forward :D
I have no hope left for blizzard, so I don’t think they will do classic+, and if they do, I don’t believe it will be good
Classic plus spam in all these videos! #HYPE
This guy is the Steve Jobs of Blizzard and if anybody could revive the franchise, it's him. Hugely excited!
1) I will play "Classic+" if they do it right. But if they are even thinking of adding level boost and especially wow token, HARD pass! Maybe that's why they charge 50 bucks, hence no token?
2) For the love of God if they add High Elves (BEs) please update the bow animation to newer one. Was a big welcomed change later on. Old animation is aweful. A simple toggle would work.
3) Scarlet Monastery raid. Considering how popular SM dungeons have always been. Fill the empty and unfinished areas with content. Many places on the world map to add more.
4) If they will add housing which was a plan for Vanilla back in the days, don't make it like in WoD. Last thing we need is "empty" servers where people sit in their houses and "farm/craft" all day.
I agree with you fully. If they do a boost or token, it will instantly ruin the project
I would buy WoW Classic plus, but I don't wanna buy retail wow expansion.
Ill never play another retail wow game since mops ending. but, ive been having a BLAST in classic and have been praying for +
thanks for the chat. I enjoyed original WOW from release to Cataclysm. At that point, the game quickly lost my interest and I quit playing. I hopped onboard again for the release of WOW classic and played through to Burning Crusade. At that point with the decline of our server population guildmates transferred to a new realm and I stopped playing. I am curious what the next steps are for WOW. I would enjoy the option of servers that remain at Vanilla, TBC & WOTLK stages. I would play on all 3, to enjoy each on its own merits.
Best thing Blizzard can do is retcon the story past Classic WoW and start an alternate timeline of sorts
I would love to see Warcraft 4 and the way things would play out there, wont happen though
If Classic+ is ever to happen, it'll be announced this blizzcon. As much as I'd like it, I think it's extremely unlikely though.
The end of Bobby era may actually greenlight projects like WoW 2 and Classic+, especially with WoW 2 coming to consoles as well (or at least Xbox) or even mobile as well.
classic wow was never far fetched, people had been doing it for decades until Blizzard saw the profit in it and make their own. Cataclysm Classic is far more realistic a venture than Classic+.
idk cata was soooo bad tbh i doubt they will. I can totally see that bombing.
cata classic and so on just doesnt make sense, as he pointed out players may as well play retail at that point
With the end of Wrath Classic happening soon, they have a golden opportunity to do something special with the next stage. If they drop this ball, all hope is lost.
I agree honestly. I enjoyed Cata, but I don't think it really lives up to the intentions of the Classic project, and I think it would be a massive let down if that's all they do with Classic WoW after Wrath.
they'll do both 100%@@vulgrin9573
I think you might be right in both directions (classic+ and revamp).... I wish you are 🙂
I would love to see them do a classic plus then maybe more expansions
classic plus would be the death of retail wow, they dont even have enough staff to cover retail, and if they start diverting the staff to classic it would suffer even more. There is no chance in hell.
@dkexpat2755 retail is dying anyway.
profits would say otherwise@@markkillam8921
Classic plus makes sense and could work
I like Metzen and I'm excited to see what change he brings back to Warcraft, but I hope he doesn't trample over the teams recent successes, repeating old mistakes. I'm not sure how much of an impact he had on Dragonflight, but it's a pretty good expansion so far. Not the best, but definitely good. Dragonriding has been a step in the right direction, and I'd like to see them continue to implement adventure game-like mechanics... but I also want them to bring more RPG back into the game.
He’d have nothing to do with any of that
He’s in a creative role, meaning lore, story, characters, locations and themes. He has no impact on gameplay
@@tylerblue9691 Game development is a collaborative effort, as such he'll be at the table when they start planning a new expansion. We don't know what that looks like because we're not there when they're doing it, but I don't think it's accurate to say that creative decisions have NO impact on gameplay. Dragonriding likely came into being due to creative decisions relating to themes, locations, and story for the current expansion. I don't think it would have been implemented if we had an underwater expansion instead.
I'm not saying he'll be directly involved in the gameplay side of development. His creative decisions, as well as any input he's afforded elsewhere will likely have an impact on it regardless. Just nowhere near as much as you seem to think I meant.
I mean he only returned late in 2022, so I doubt he will have had much impact on DF, itll have been pretty much complete by the time he returned
So it's 7 months later now, any news?
Or was season of discovery the big Metzen move?
I'm going to make a 6 month review of SoD soon, but in short - it's a mixed bag. If you had asked me a few months ago about Discovery i would have just been singing its praises. Now, it's in a content drought period with the first level 60 phase delayed and people losing interest. I have many different feelings about this but the uncomfortable conclusion for me is that there simply isnt enough interest at Blizzard for a version of the game which lacks the same monetization potential of all the other versions.
@@vulgrin9573 yeah, that might be the sad truth
NEXT GEN, to include Classic.
Interesting. I guess it's Blizzard so money would be the main decision maker. That to me is unfortunately not classic plus. Not wow 2 either, as you said too big, and would likely be an overwatch 2 disaster repeat). I think if they make new content it would be for retail to try lure the classic players over so they can develop one game, not two. But as you said, a new expansion just seems like more of the same so doesn't quite meet the hype level of thier statement. Maybe it's just a "guys the next xpac is going to be great, promise.. look it's Metz, See!"
Yeah I think it being a revamp retail expansion is the likeliest possibility. I just hope bringing him back isn't just a false attempt at currying favour with the players. It wouldn't be the first time!
I don’t think there is much they could do to get people who have left retail to return, I don’t even look at the new expansions, the game has been soulless for years now imo. If it’s not classic plus or wow2 then it’s Riot for many.
@@wesparsons5331 If Classic+ means more than WoW Token, character boosts and shop mounts, i would be very impressed but i actually have no more hope for AB after all they did in recent years.
They could just reset the current game, and rebuild it from the model of Classic+. Games have made remakes before. They can keep the same general storyline, just told a different way - without the un needed clutter and making it more cinematic. I think they would benefit from making this remake or *remaster* an open world experience with little to no private instances.
the idea of classic + is awesome! theres gotta be some good reason to put this guy in this position after he had retired.
WOW 2.0. A revolutionary new game with all that people loved about WOW with so much more content, and the Option of using new character designs that rival the best in the industry.
Maybe we'll get lucky one day but I can't see them ever taking such a massive gamble!
Why do people somehow think you would get a lot of content with a WoW 2.0? Using all the latest tech like 4k textures and assists, ray tracing, better lightning, environmental effects, dynamic weather. All of this would be VERY little content compared to WoW right now.
You know how much longer 4k assets take to make? You would get easily half the content of current WoW.
@@bootywrangler1213 I agree with you honestly. I would like to see a second WoW game someday, but I'm honestly not bothered about it having super high res, photorealistic textures. Firstly, that's not the Warcraft art style at all, and secondly there is no chance an MMO developer would want to make a game which would only run smoothly on the very best machines. You want to make them as universal as possible
Just wrap up DF with some big explosion that sends us back into time to classic then just add on to the game from there .
Classic on phones 😅
i could imagine minor content for classic+, but i think the big thing here is fixing retail which has gone down the dumpster since he left. We'll see what happens but this is big! GG guys
Considering the timelines mash and soup going on in DF, we might get a world reset and merge retail into Classic+
Not to be negative but wouldn’t classic + have a box price and have a chance to ruin the loot treadmill from pre bis to bis
We cant know really. It would depend entirely on what content they made
Imagine a complete reboot, classic + could be a massive success….
Was boldmon already here ?
Classic + is the best possible future for WoW
I'd play classic + but don't ever see myself playing retail. Quit after Wod and havn't had the interest since.
C L A S S I C +!!
I also see classic + being the reason there is no stand alone TBC.
cmon guys... Metzen left on legion.. its not like he was not there when all those garbage expansions before were released..
And about classic +... I don't think Blizzard will every try that.. because it costs money.
you have a weird opinion on "garbage expansions" because none were terrible, not even WoD. It wasnt bad, it was just boring with a severe lack of content.
@@Shiirow really bro? after seeing the numbers going down like crazy I'm the wrong one?
Bro.. I enjoyed every expansion cuz I was pvping with my best friend.. But numbers dont lie dude.. It's not ME and my opinion dropping them down every year.. sorry.
@@RED--01you cant just look at the numbers and say thats where it went wrong. The games interest had to peak at some point. Cata and MoP had as good numbers as vanilla.
@@Lizard1582 yea thats why they dont even show subs anymore right? probably the game doesnt even have a mil players anymore.Probably because the game is so good!
@@RED--01 The games interest had to peak at some point. Cata and MoP had as good numbers as vanilla.
How about a World of WarCraft full-on remake? New engine, updated mechanics, etc.
Thats what I would want, WoW vanilla remake and then work from here to make 'classic+'
I would rather want more actual content and gameplay (classic+) - Instead of a less shitty looking game. Graphics are a novelty that wears off after 2 weeks.
@@LarsSigvard I agree Classic+ would be awesome. Along with upgraded graphics (irrelevant to me, maybe just performance upgrades), a good remake would also have expanded gameplay features that still hold true to Classic. For example, maybe more classes based directly on their WC3 counterparts, mass combat, etc.
Retail can do what Retail will do, I want 2 options outside that. Classic plus, and Wotlk servers that dont get shutdown if they do this Cata classic.
I fully agree. A couple of TBC servers wouldn't go a miss either honestly
@@vulgrin9573 exactly, that is why i am concerned about wotlk with what they did with TBC.
Imagine he is only there to promote the new warcraft mobile game. how cool and history accurate it is :D Mobile is the future!!!
"The drums of war, thunder, once again'....
🥰🥰🥰
Classic probably THE RESET that we`ve been waiting for and it is already happening.
here's my thoughts make rets good in classic+ and i'll play it or just give me cata classic so I can have fun ret gameplay with Long arm of the law back...eithers fine with me if neither can't be delivered I can move on once again.
I don't think what I'm asking for is to shallow and to much I get what I want is a small part of the game but a small part that easily can be delivered compared to everything else :P
I mean Original Wrath is when I fell inlove with Prot/Ret Paladin Cata increased that love and MoP perfected that love but WoD and onward I fell off with loving the class/specs I enjoyed and especially for bg pvp
I dunno, Metzen’s writing and general tone for his recent works lack the punch that his older works did. StarCraft 2 feels brighter and much less gritty than the first StarCraft did.
I think you make a good point and ultimately people forget he was part of the team right up to the end of WoD. Still, I wonder how much he was bound by the will of others at that time. Whilst he's working for Blizzard again now - he didn't really need to come back unless he wanted to. I like to think that he did so because he wanted to set things right, but you're right that his later work was poor.
I don't think it means anything yet. I think Blizzard need to lose more prospective profits first. It's probably up to us whether he controls the game or not, and that's decided by how YOU spend your money
The only thing this means is that the marketing department is doing an excellent job.
Are they gonna bring back Mark Kern?
I think it means he’s going to attempt to “fix” things in retail. Hopefully the storylines, lore and try to get back the core atmosphere of Warcraft. Last several years haven’t felt “Warcrafty” at all to me personally. I always believed Blizzard overcompensated when they had the social issues a few years back. And ever since then, things have turned to fluff. Not everything but the core, grit and metal seems long gone.
You mean to say “the game went woke””
It means potential.
It's Great news🎉🙌
Classic+ sounds like a good idea but can we trust blizz not to mess it up and go back down the same rabbit hole?
Probably not but even if it's got a 10% of being great, it's worth a shot. It's not like the players lose anything from them attempting it.
The Merger yes was the start but Ion Hazzikostas and the crew that came along with him like Jay Allen Brack. Those people and some other imo systematically turned wow into a childrens game for an audience that does not exist.Seeing as Metzen is coming back I really hope Ion and Co actually get fired or put into a role where they have 0 voice or control at all because they have earned that.
Oh quick edit here when you said about bringing Metzen back I immeadately said in my head oh yeah because current leadership is basically killing the game and having the OG Metzen back and hopefully others who were around when he was there.
What if he is creating a universe before wow Vanilla, like a Wow Origins
The idea of Vanilla+ is so exciting but there is one thing that bothers me with it.
Should vanilla+ have entirely different content than original vanilla or revolve around existing vanilla content?
If they build vanilla + on existing vanilla content the only logical option is to add dungeons and content after naxxramas because game has perfect pace untill naxx in both gear progression and leveling experience. There is no point adding new questing zones because it would ruin the leveling pace with many new quests added. Also there is no point in adding another raid between existing ones because for example i don't see a point in another BWL tier raid with same or slightly lower/higher gear lvl. In terms of new pve content, it means that vanilla+ content should start after naxxramas in order to keep the original progression pace intact as it is - perfect. Things that are not affected are small class tweaks and changes, making certain specs viable and minor quality of life improvements to keep the vanilla flavour.
On the other hand if they build vanilla+ with brand new content, then it's no longer vanilla but a brand new game. In this situation people will again feel nostalgic about original vanilla and gravitate towards playing the TRUE 2004 vanilla in Nostalrius style and not blizzard one.
What do you guys think?
Some great points here. I'll add my two cents (because I'll be making a full video about what I'd personally like to see in Classic+ in a dedicated video).
I think that content would have to come after the end of the Vanilla game. We would defeat KT in Naxx 40, and sometime after that, the first new patch would be released. I think that new zones would be great and if so, it would make sense to start with stuff already in the world but not fully fleshed out, such as Hyjal (and maybe also the areas of the map which were left empty such as north of Stratholme etc.
My strong opinion is that they would need to be very careful about introducing anything like a new continent, which was the pattern established from TBC onwards. Doing that slowly but surely removed higher level players from the old world and that negatively impacted the lower level experience.
So much more I could go into, but like I said, I'll save it for a video!
it will be the rescue of the greatest game ever made!!
What I think? Yeah, they are salvaging PR. They are using Metzen's standing in the community to hype the next crapfest expansion.
What I hope? Classic Plus or even a reboot for the game with focus on the original world, but with some improvements and strong focus on the adventure aspects, and less focus on WoW simply being a framework for bite-sized gameplay.
I am confused, so what exactly do people think he will change? As far as i understood it, he was just an artist always, why do people think he is the right person to bring change? Maybe change in the art, but change for the game as a whole? I dont think so, Retail-WoW is for me not even an mmorpg anymore, you are just being teleported from place to place or you fly around the map, theres no mmorpg at all and the wow token is also very toxic for the game in my opinion, so do people think this guy will change any of that? I dont think so.
ok hear me out - new Expansion - Paradox - It replaces Cata and makes retail players travel back in time for a new expansion where they play with classic players combining the player base - the server completes a quest that stops CATA and creates a time paradox and new content for classic and retail together ....
its an interesting idea from a narrative perspective but the issue would be that many classic and retail players have very little interest in the gameplay of the version they don't play. If you combined the two, you'd have to either pick one style to go with or compromise which would likely alienate both bases.
I hope it's classic something. Retail is awful.
Retail will never improve
I uninstalled retail and just play wow classic & wotlk classic
To rewrite the whole story after the fall of the lich king is their only hope
We should keep the pandas though
classic + at level 60 would be again degen stuff, 30 furys and worldbuffs
You're always going to get min-maxers in any game, especially an mmo. The problem isn't that those players exist, I'd argue they're a part of the game ecology. The problem is when the game becomes focused around catering to them, which is what I think has happened with retail WoW
Nothing will change, it’s all about the benjamins
Wouldn't be surprised if they announced Mobile wow and slapped us all in the face
Thoughtful take
Thanks, I hope you enjoyed the video :)
WoW 2 would be interesting, and isn't impossible. After all, Final Fantasy already had an MMO with FF11, and made FF14 anyway. I would really like an official Classic +, but could it really match what's already been done in private servers. Frankly, I'm more excited to explore Hyjal in Turtle WoW's upcoming patch.
I think that they could probably match what has been done on private servers, but I think that Blizzard seem always tempted to overly monetise their games to the point of sheer greed. The WoW token being in Wrath Classic is a good example.