I'm only now coming to the realization that I'm going to spend the rest of my life celibate because my husband and I were divorced when I was only 19. I'm 53 now. He is remarried. I am not. Only this year I have come to Jesus and have been reading the bible. I can't put it down. I'm heartbroken and saddened to realize my sins over the years. This year was my awakening and I have been on my knees crying in prayer....to the point of anguish! I will give Him the rest of my life joyfully but to realize I have to live without a mate kinda makes me sad.....but it's not about me anymore. The scripture is very clear on this! By the grace of God I'm still here for the chance to stand holy before my heavenly Father! Brief versus eternal...remember that! I am so thankful for all we've been given. I'm still going through shock at this revelation though.....
God bless your heart I've been praying now for 23 years for an adulterous wife to repent and come back to the husband of her youth It is devastating even after 23 years But you are a great testimony to me Thanks
Regen Ducere You are no longer bound. Besides, and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 and if the latter husband [b]turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.
Robin Leslie PS check out the following two ministries: Covenant Keepers (www.ckministry.org) and Rejoice Marriage Ministries (www.rejoiceministries.org/) Both support those who stand for their covenant vows.
Brother..it's true you will never stop loving her, even as I still love my wicked, demon possessed whoring, former wife who's remarried. Love never fails. But HER love failed because she isn't born from above, born of love. Let her go if you're certain she's "BECOME" one flesh with another!....... ....or SHE will defile you, if you have sex with her again.
Once married, always married until death do us part, no exception. This applies to all human beings, regardless of whether you are a sinner or a saint.
Holy God, please restore your glorious standard of covenant keeping love to your people and your order of keeping covenant. The glorious role of bridegroom and covering!
My husband just asked me to divorce after a bad argument over a small issue. (I said a lot of hurtful things and even pushed him). I regret it so much, i begged him for forgivenss but he does not believe i'm going to change. I want to be a new person in christ. I want to change and save my marriage. Please pray for me.
COMPLETELY COMPLETLEY COMPLETELY SUBMIT to your Husband. Do what he tells you an life will be better. Don't ever look him in the eyes. Your Husband was made to DOMINATE YOU. DON'T TALK BACK TO HIM. TAKE WHATEVER MEDICINE HE GIVE YOU. BE AFRAID OF HIM.
We desperately need to come back to this mindset as unpopular as it is. Marriage is until death do we part. We need to take this seriously. Thanks John.
@@SaanichtonMinistries I was married for 20 years. I thought we would grow old together. We were both born again. He fell away from Jesus and left me and his children for his mistress over 23 years ago. I cried for many years. He is still with his mistress but my children say he's very sad and regretful.i forgive him and pray for him. He turned his back on Jesus and me and our children.i remarried almost 8 years ago.
@@grateful1929May God help you and your partner ! I am afraid you did not remarry any one... you committed adultery like your departed husband and called it "remarriage" and went down to his level in sexual sin. You have set a poor example to your children who now think divorce and remarriage adultery vengeance is normal and justified when they get married one day and have a prooblem. You get one chance at family. Divorce and remarriage adultery does not work. I am sure if you have not found out already, you will find out in time. Maybe when your estate is frustrated with divisions of assets, maybe when disgruntled children wont visit you in a nursing home one day. Perhaps when a jealous X husband takes out your new adultery partner. We see this in broken families all the time. I invite you to scour my you tube channels where I have debunked false "exemption" clauses for divorce. I take a more hard line approach than Dr Piper. I am with David Pawson. It is 100% pure adultery to remarry after divorce and you are in danger of hell's fire to live in it perpetually without repentance. I don't care if you a pastor or an elder in some evangelical church and legalistically tithe 10%. WE NEED TO FEAR GOD again. 10 Virgins were called, only 5 made it! Like pilgrims progress, many will fall short on that day. I write this in all love because I deeply care about people caught up in the false teaching and have made it a focus to teach sound doctrine on this to every one who will hear. My own brother did the same thing and we are currently not on speaking terms. It is a sick divisive issue and there is no sugar coating it.
If God were like you. I would not want him. When/if your marriage breaks up. Please remember what you said to me and I'm sure many others. I pray you ask the Lord to forgive you. Goodbye sir!
This all seems very legalistic to me! I believe every word of scripture and realize God is holy but I believe Christ death on the cross is finished work and covers all sins. I realize God hates divorce! And I'm familiar with the gospel teachings concerning divorce. I recall the woman at the well having five husbands and Jesus forgave her! The woman caught in the act of adultery was faced with stoning and Jesus told her accusers that those without sin cast the first stone. In other words all those people holding stones had a legalistic mindset but couldn't live under it's application. Legalism is something you have to be careful of folks because you too can't live under it's application. To say someone who gets divorced because their spouses runs off with someone else should honor the marriage by staying lonely the rest of their days is an indirect reading of the gospel. If it's ok to remarry when a spouse passes, what about when the marriage itself dies?
We see dead marriages resurrect all the time that's why 1 cor 7 39 says remarriage is only allowed after death. Even if the spouse departs let him go becsuse how do you know if you will save your wife or husband? If you were free to remarry why would this verse refer to them as your wife or husband? 1 cor 7 is clear "if you leave remain unmarried." Jesus told the woman to "go and son no more" --- not continue in her adulterous marriage or fornication.
the marriage dies when one spouse dies its not very complicated people just want a do over if it doesnt go their way they want to have sex with someone else even though their spouse is still alive and they want God to say its ok and bless their union while making the other union null and void while everybody else actually keeps their promises
John the Baptist gave his life, for this very issue....why did he not say....hey....repent and keep on in your marriage.....the Bible does not seem to offer this option....
Well one wonderful sermon & truth often spares no feelings. A message of just How horribly fallen we are. Sin kills, destroys. & defiles everything in its path.
Understanding what the Bible REALLY says about divorce is almost impossible unless you're familiar with Hebrew terms and concepts absent in Christianity, such as 'Agunah'. Time and again, I've found that Christian pastors often miss the true teachings of the Bible on this topic. I highly recommend Dr. Eitan Bar's short book, "Christian and Divorced: What the Bible REALLY Says About Divorce & Remarriage." He is a Jewish-Christian fluent in Hebrew. After reading about 20 different books on the subject, this one stands out as the best. I was even an early reader of it.
All remarriages after the death of a spouse are considered valid, while all remarriages after the divorce of a spouse are deemed invalid. These two statements encompass the entirety of Jesus’ teachings on divorce and remarriage.
This is healing my heart.. (in tears😥) because I am in a long (40+) 2nd marriage. I have for some time realized the seriousness of marriage and have repented of those past horrible sins. And this marriage is put together with the glue that you cant disolve. My additude is now so different that even if death I would never wish to enter another marriage covenant. Not because its not beautiful...but because it is beautiful.
I guess you have not read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. If your first husband is still living, then you are an Adulterer regardless how much you pray and ask for forgiveness. You are actively living in sin. Tell me, how can God bless what He has called sin? True repentance means turning from our sinful ways and towards God.
@@sabianova4304 Yes, the person entered a marital covenant in words and in deeds before God, with that person, and in the presence of witnesses. Read Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 about vowing and the consequences thereof. Also for someone who has been married multiple times, he/she clearly violated the commandment in Matthew 19:6 (They put asunder what God has joined). Romans 7 tells us how one is released from the marital covenant.
I would rather be married but my wife decided to go. I’m single and I choose to be single. My job is to serve the Lord and be a full time dad! Any future relationships will be administered by the Lord. If anything this divorce has guided me closer to the Lord and the purity of my soul.
Amen brother! I had a similar situation. My first wife left me, and decided she wanted a divorce no matter how much I tried to reconcile with her. It is so vital to always make sure that the person you meet next is of the Lord. Take the time to pray about it, and ask the Lord to show you red flags if you start seeing things.
you define a sin....but then say it is ok to live in it....makes no sense, to me....remember that you will have a responsibility for allowing people to live in sin...
I've never been married. and there are alot of divorced women. so to stay safe, wrong or right, I keep hearing different answers. I'm never getting married.
@@charlesdavis161 yup I know the feeling....a woman will speak for less than 30 seconds before she disqualifies....herself as being a potential marriage option….
If you listen to all Piper’s video on “Divorce and Remarriage” you will hear that Piper’s commentary is the exact opposite of what Paul and Jesus had to say about divorce and remarriage, especial at timeline (57:52 through 1:06) John Piper states that when a new covenant is made, no matter if it’s your 2,3,4th marriage, you should honor that 4th marriage as a new covenant and that it is purified before God. (so lets just give the word “covenant” a worldly definition shall we). Piper is interpreting the story with the woman at the well as a modern-day excuse to have 5 husbands. Under the Mosaic Law yes, but now Jesus says "it has been said (Mosaic Law)" as opposed to "but I say to you." (from the beginning it was not so) Mat 19:8. Because of the hardness of Men’s hearts Moses gave protection to the woman to be married again as she had no other means to support herself after being divorced and removed from the house. The Mosaic law permitted her to marry again but not go back to a previous husband. Piper furthermore says at timeline 59:11 I think that a couple who “repents” and seeks God’s forgiveness should not think of their marriage as ongoing adultery. Well then, I have some good news for all my homosexual friends who want to stay in their relationships all the while considering themselves Christians even holding down leadership positions in the church. If repentance means I can feed my old nature and thus God forgives me then why should I come out of it? Oh, but some Christian circles say that being married multiple times and homosexuality is not the same. God will forgive my multiple marriages but not same sex marriages. Go figure?
and i was enjoying his teaching so much on this video, until i read your comments, thanks for the heads up, very worrying teaching indeed from john piper
@@debbieann3883 Thx, I'm reminded of Mat 5 the example that Jesus gives in goes contrary to what many have formulated regarding repentance. In this passage Jesus firmly ties the actions of the eye, and the hand, needing to be “cut off” in order to gain entrance in the kingdom of God. You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. In this story we have the lust of the eye and the actions of the hand, both represent sin and needing to be severed. It amazes me so-called Christians living in adulterous remarriages think they are excused form actual repentance. Go-figure.
@@heymichaelc amen. People are gnashing their teeth in order to keep their second "wives" and will not search the scriptures for the truth. Very few pastors teach on remarriage is adultery but jesus is so clear that ONLY death is the exception clause.
Thank you for sharing the TRUTH of GOD’s Word. A little leaven spoils the entire lump. John’s mixture of truth & opinion = false doctrine. All throughout Scripture, JESUS was clear on this matter. No need for private interpretation, HE made it plain for all to hear. Everywhere else HE spoke in parables indicative of the fact that this topic/matter transcends the Church. In other words, HE wanted ALL to know the TRUTH regarding marriage, divorce & remarriage, despite their beliefs.
A second vow does not annull the first vow. As born again Christians we know what repentance means so why does it change its meaning when it comes to remarriage .. What is the use of stressing on the sanctity of marriage to bring it all down with using the excuse of having made a second vow.
the only two options for the divorced are to....remain single, or reconcille....so if one can not do the second, one can do the first....remain single....
@@philipbuckley759 Try interpreting both Jesus' and Paul's teaching from the Biblical precedents from which they refer and then realize that Paul speaks to a circumstance in verses 12-15 of 1 Corinthians not addressed before. "But to the rest" is directly different then those Paul had already addressed, understand? There is NO one size fits all rule in Paul's teaching Philip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not legalistic..Please folks..have mercy on your spouse..I have lived it. I divorced my husband 23 years ago. I had in man's eyes legitimate reason to do so. Arguments had eroded to violence and I let in-laws rip us apart. My husband and I are back together after 23 years. Complete and total misery is to destroy what God has built. In my case, I nearly destroyed my family beyond repair. DO NOT DIVORCE..because marriage among Christians is truly about just what he said, which is "to tell the TRUTH about the gospel".
my wife divorced me 3.5 years ago and has found someone she is living with in sin. She is not even going to marry the man ...I don't know but I decided then to remain unmarried and sexually pure, even if it means living alone for the rest of my life . God bless you for your testimony
@@randypotteiger5214 Please don't receive what the person said that makes God more crueler than ur wife that's not biblical sound at all first God is not cruel at all and if u believe that God can keep u He will and weather you believe it or not God is a keeper. Yes you wife is living in sin. Pray for her and move on and id you want her back and she wants it too God will bring y'all back together but He must be First.
I never thought I would have to go through this... Thought my parents were happy this entire time... Then my mom tells me shes not happy with her marriage and that she has not been for a long time. I never been depressed ever but now i can feel it. I'm gone
I pray for peace for you all. A person comes on here bearing their heart and they have to listen to this type of thing. Love and kindness are fruits of the Spirit.
If your mother is christian, she needs to go to the scriptures. Our reason to be happy should be Christ, not her husband. She must pray God to hive her strength and will, to remain in her marriage.
It's not about our view, if a second marriage is considered as adultery, when one repents, does one continue sinning coz they repented? So the only way not to continue in sin is divorce. Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God
Makes No sense to call remarriage sanctified. how can adultery be sanctified. It Can Not. Jesus said if they remarry, they are committing adultery. No way would God condone it. How could some one return to their spouse, if they can stay in an adulterous marriage? John the Baptist, preached that Herod could not be married to his brothers wife.
There was polygamy in Israel in the OT (before the Law of Moises) and God never rebuked it because they were living outside of the Law. The gentiles were also living outside of the Law. They can't undone what they did in the past if it's going to dishonour their current marriage which is now sanctified by their conversion (1Corinthians 7:14). They have to repent for their unholy covenants and honour their current marriage. I'm single, so this issue doesn't affect me. I'm just trying to find the truth.
Thank you Christian Girl for your quest for the truth in this issue, I am divorced, I was an unbeliever when we married I was born again during our marriage through the tough situation with my ex- parents in law especially the mother in law. Anyway after 21 Years it escalated and my ex husband sent me away and filed divorce 6 months later. I did not hear from the Lord to consent to divorce I just separated and believed and hoped for him to repent and be saved and be reconciled to me. But Alas two years after our separating during the pending court case he slept with another woman then I knew God said let go of him and consent to the divorce. it was devastating and as John Piper discribes it a very deep pain..... it took me 10 Years to receive healing and wholeness through my Lord and Saviour and then I was put in a situation into deep temptations drawn to another unbeliever a man who was my mentor and work mate at my new job place (thank God I knew he was in a relationship and that there is no chance of us coming together ever so I struggled and resisted with fasting anguish and prayers almost four years, when GOD set me free from all those desires. It took almost dying resisting unto death to overcome this. I still am not remarried but my heavenly FATHER has filled this void place with HIS love and a very satisfying task. I live for HIM in HIM and through HIM. Praise GOD. Whether HE has someone for me or not I am perfectly content with what HE has given me in HIM to do.
I agree...when he brings up the woman at Jacobs well....I didn't agree with what he said about it....if you read the chapter, you would understand that the ONLY reason why Jesus brought up the 5 husband's was to show her that He was the Messiah by revealing He knew about all of her actions that she has done here on Earth prior to meeting Him.. ...doesn't necessarily mean He accepted those marriages or blessed them...He was just acknowledging HER actions to help her realize WHO HE WAS and she guessed right after that He was a prophet then He told her.... And the word ADULTERY means sexual relations between a spouse and a person OUTSIDE of marriage....sooo.... If God saw and accepted 2nd 3rd 4th marriages which also means they are "spouses within said marriages" .... How is it adultery???? It's adultery because the only marriage COVENANT God sees and accepts is the first one HE PUT TOGETHER!!! He said no man shall separate!!!! That would include the man made civil laws, no judge in a courtroom, no lawyer or any human cannot break what HE PUT TOGETHER... ONLY HE CAN BREAK IT!!!! He gives the only exception and that's if only the woman was unfaithful, then the man can divorce and put away His wife.
Because it isn't adultery when there is lawful divorce. A divorced person (one who divorced because of spousal pornea) doesn't have a husband or wife. If you don't have a husband or wife, you aren't committing adultery. Just like a person whose unbelieving spouse leaves is NO LONGER IN BONDAGE.
Hosea was commanded to take a wife who would become a prostitute. After Gomer left Hosea, God came a second time to Hosea and told the prophet to take his wife back: “The Lord said to me, ‘Go again, love a woman who is loved by another man and is an adulteress’” (Hosea 3:1). In obedience to God’s command, Hosea went and bought her for “fifteen shekels of silver, a homer of barley, and a lethech of barley” (Hosea 3:2).
Good Tree Ministries, she was an adulteress living in pornea, which is the same. So you're implying that it's okay to marry a prostitute but not a woman whose husband slept with some? I see.
Understanding 1 Corinthians 7:39 within context. The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Where does the idea of indissoluble marriage come from? That supposition comes from pastors who suggest an isolated interpretation of 1 Cor. 7:39 and Romans 7:2,3. Some of these pastors formed the Permanence of Marriage Movement. An organization that any Christian would want to be a part of if not for false suppositions in their teaching. There are a few biblical passages these men (and women) count on for their convictions. We are to believe that the whole of scripture which speaks of divorce and remarriage as effective must be understood with their interpretation of these passages. We must ignore the context and except their interpretation. This is a way to reprogram your thinking about those verses. Which is what happens to those who follow the false suppositions of these Teachers. The Bible never makes the argument that divorced and remarried individuals are “still married to their original spouse.” That’s not what Jesus or Paul or any other biblical author claimed. The idea of “indissoluble marriage” is a false supposition imposed on scripture by isolating 1 Cor. 7:39 and Romans 7:3 from there context. Divorce and remarriage are spoken of in scripture as effective events. Therefore divorce effects a divorce or the status of being UNMARRIED as the Apostle Paul himself explicitly states in 1 Cor. 7:11. In context 1 Cor. 7:39 is addressing virgins. Paul has already addressed the previously married (v. 8,9) and the presently married (10). He now addresses those never married, those who anticipate marriage. Paul has a change of address in verse 25 of 1 Cor. 7 “Now concerning virgins” and he ends in verse 39 stating the general principle God ordained for MARRIED women. Contextually verses 34 and 35 are extremely important for understanding verse 39. That’s because Paul wants virgins to consider the freedom singleness offers verses a lifetime obligation to a husband. If you miss that point you’ll be susceptible to believe a re-contextualizing of the text. There is nothing in 1 Cor. 7:39 that says a UNMARRIED woman is bound to her former husband as long as he lives. That is a false supposition imposed on that verse as well as Romans 7:2. One should note that Paul in verses 25 through 40 is addressing singleness over against marriage and is not claiming that only physical death can end a marriage, that’s not the context. Rather, Paul is reminding the virgin that marriage imposes a lifetime obligation. He wants her (as well as a man) to consider the option of singleness. Singleness provides more freedom to serve Christ than a MARRIED WOMAN who is under the dominion of her husband, the contingency of divorce is NOT under discussion. In this text we should understand Paul to be speaking to virgins about the obligations they will experience if MARRIED. “Bound” is in reference to the obligation set forth “by the law.” “bound” speaks to the status of a MARRIED WOMAN under the dominion of her husband. This section of scripture reminds those who are considering marriage the extra obligations of marriage. Paul reminds the virgin the obligation she will be under IF MARRIED. Therefore she will not have the liberty of singleness, rather she will be under more obligations as a MARRIED woman. It specifically reminds the virgin if she marries she will be under the dominion of her husband until his death. The CONTEXT is about singleness offering more liberty to serve Christ then those with the dual responsibility of having a spouse, understand? Conversely the text does not address the contingency of divorce. Paul is not promising a virgin that her husband will never divorce her. Nor does he say a divorced woman is still married to her former husband. Those are false suppositions imposed on this text, understand? Paul has already explicitly stated that a divorced woman is UNMARRIED (v.11). Marriage has inherent principles so marriage imposes law, law imposes bondage, but the law nor the bondage can maintain a marriage. In other words the people involved are responsible for doing that, the law does not fulfill the obligation for them. What you must understand about this “law” is that it is an age old principle in marriage that dates back to the garden of Eden or the origin of marriage itself, but like all laws it is not inviolable. Again law does NOT fulfill the obligation for the individuals it merely sets the obligation forth, understand? So if Christians want to talk about divorce they should look to biblical precedents for answers and NOT FALSE suppositions impose into a text. All through the Old Testament divorce rendered one UNMARRIED. That reality did not change in the New Testament as Paul affirms in 1 Corinthians 7:11. Also “divorce” and “marry another” as spoken by Christ meant a divorced woman was unmarried and then married to someone else. The explicit language means that one marriage ended and another one was constituted. While the bible reveals the inadvertent consequences of divorced and remarriage, it always speaks of those events as effective. In other words there is nothing in 1 Cor. 7:39 that says a married woman can’t be unmarried or a divorced woman is “still married” to her former husband. Those are false suppositions imposed on that verse as well as Romans 7:2. If Christians want to know how divorce affects inherent laws of marriage they should look to Moses, Jesus and Paul’s teaching. All three representatives of God reveal to us the consequence of ending a marriage, but they never teach that marriage cannot end. It is one thing to say what happens by prematurely ending a marriage, it’s quite another to claim the marriage can’t end.
@@philipbuckley759 Grace to you Philip In God's Word divorce terminates one marriage and remarriage constitutes another. The end result is it causes one to commit adultery against their former spouse (Mark 10:11) because that marriage set forth the obligation of lifetime fidelity (to each the other) which is inadvertently violated by the present obligation as husband and wife. In other words the exclusive obligation established by the first marriage of "forsaking all others and keeping only unto thyself" is inadvertently violated by ending one marriage and constituting another. While the bible reveals there is a consequence for prematurely ending a marriage it NEVER claims that divorce or remarriage is ineffective. Those remarried were obligated to their present spouse and NOT their former. Telling them to divorce their present spouse causes them to sin because they default on present marital obligations as husband and wife. Blessings
Finally someone who knows what they’re talking about!!! I’ve learned a lot from your comment. I didn’t even recognize that 1 Cor 7:39 was talking about virgins! Yes, That’s the context! And I just realized when you mention the wife being divorced is “unmarried.” Didn’t even notice that before. . So what is your view on this? Do you believe there are two exceptions for divorce as Jesus gave? Is it biblical to divorce and remarry in these cases? So if I understand you correctly, adultery happens because of a new covenant of marriage stops one from committing to the 1st covenant right? Not necessarily because of the sleeping with the new spouse.? Also what do you understand would be examples of a unbelieving spouse deserting a believing spouse. Would beating someone half to death, or trying to kill them, or just leaving and living their life somewhere else count as desertion? And also are Christians who remarried in an unbiblical manner perpetually sinning and headed to hell? Or is the “adultery” mentioned in this topic a one time sin when they remarried?
@@palee8928 Grace to you Pa Lee You ask, "So what is your view on this? Do you believe there are two exceptions for divorce as Jesus gave? Is it biblical to divorce and remarry in these cases?" The following will be my view. But first I'll say that I followed the "two exceptions" for most of my life. But now I see Jesus' teaching to be for a different purpose and much more simpler to understand if you don't get caught up in "reasons". The traditional argument in which your questions are asked assumes that Jesus was answering the Pharisees question about "lawful grounds for divorce" (Matthew 19:3). Trying to answer those questions keeps you from understanding the simplicity of Jesus' response. Jesus instead choose to reveal what conceding divorce (in biblical history) causes for the next marriage. The right question in understanding Jesus' teaching on the matter is, Can conceding divorce where remarriage was graciously allowed yield "fidelity to one person for life"? The question the Pharisees ask is actually a "curve ball" to be avoided. That's because Jesus is NOT actually answering their question, He's revealing that allowing marriages to end before death (divorce) carries a consequence for the next marriage. After the biblical divorce concession there was an unintentional unfaithfulness that followed because the first marriage was not sustained. STOP!!. Do you get that? That was what Jesus wanted to get across to them. In CONTEXT to Jesus teaching He is explaining something to Israel about divorce they had failed to perceive. Allowing marriages to end before death where remarriage was permitted under the law (Deuteronomy 24:2) does not maintain the sexual exclusivity of the relationship ordained for marriage in the origin (Matthew 19:4-6, 8b). There is an inadvertent transgression of "fidelity for life" caused by the process. Jesus states, "Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8). Jesus is contrasting divorce conceded over against God's created design for marriage, understand? The simple point Jesus made was that divorce in the origin did not exist because in the beginning marriage was created for life. In that relationship sexual intimacy was exclusive to each the other for a life time, do you see that? In order to understand Jesus' actual response you must begin with that fact. Hundreds of years later divorce was conceded under the law, causing the catch 22 Christians now grapple with. A true paradox to be embraced, not discarded!!! So in principle, if in God's design for marriage husband and wife are to be sexually exclusive to each the other for life, what occurs when the first marriage ends prematurely and another marriage is graciously and lawfully allowed? Is sexual exclusivity set forth by (the first) marriage maintained? Well the answer to that question is that "the fidelity for life principle" is unintentionally transgressed. Thus causing the inadvertent adultery Jesus described. This way of committing adultery was not made an issue of or punished BECAUSE it was not intentional. Jesus is merely making a counter argument against divorce for those who wanted to know all the reasons the law allowed for it (Matthew 19:3). The key to understanding Jesus' teaching on divorce is in understanding that He did NOT actually answer the Pharisees question about "grounds". Rather He circumvented that question and instead revealed the consequence that ensues from a marriage NOT being sustained. There is no win win in divorce. We as Christians must accept that fact. Even those women who were divorced by their husbands throughout the time period to which Jesus refers were caused to commit adultery when they lawfully remarried (Matthew 5:32). Fortunately Jesus also reveals that He held the husband (who did the divorcing) culpable for causing her to commit adultery this way. You ask, "So if I understand you correctly, adultery happens because of a new covenant of marriage stops one from committing to the 1st covenant right? Not necessarily because of the sleeping with the new spouse.?" The answer to those questions are not either/or but rather a both/and, understand? Although the adultery happens within the second marriage, it was staged by the former husband releasing his wife with the right of remarriage (Deuteronomy 24:2). Divorce conceded and remarriage graciously allowed cannot yield fidelity for life (to one person) as God designed marriage to be. We MUST accept this dilemma, while NOT going over the deep end like Pastors and Teachers who create a new narrative for understanding Jesus' teaching on this issue. Their position has a number of false suppositions added to Jesus' teaching. One of those suppositions claims that Jesus "abrogated" the law of Moses. Supposedly, Jesus meant to prohibit remarriage and now equates it as the adultery. You might have notice this in their refrain "remarriage is adultery". A common but false misnomer. Their position (unlike Jesus') becomes an attack on marriage after divorce. Jesus' teaching on the other hand was NOT an attack on remarriage, but rather to reveal that divorce is what stages this way of committing adultery. Think about it, if the first marriage was sustained, this way of committing adultery would not occur, right? The underlining thought to Jesus' teaching is this. Terminating a marriage before death (where remarriage was allowed) transfers the obligations of intimacy (sleeping with the new spouse) to the present marriage which then (inadvertently) violates the obligation of being one-flesh with one person for life, set forth by the first marriage (Matthew 19:4-6, 8b). Jesus is explaining from Israel's history that when one marriage ends and another constituted, sexual exclusivity is transgressed in the process. Thus the inadvertent adultery Jesus described. It really is that simple, minus all the false suppositions added to Jesus' teaching by those who want those remarried after divorce to believe they are "not actually divorced" and "still married to their first spouse in God's eyes". Christians MUST not follow an exaggerated view based in false suppositions where fear becomes the prime motivator and NOT TRUTH. You ask. "Also what do you understand would be examples of a unbelieving spouse deserting a believing spouse. Would beating someone half to death, or trying to kill them, or just leaving and living their life somewhere else count as desertion?" The context for Paul's teaching in verses 12-15 of 1 Corinthians is about an unbeliever repudiating their marriage to a believer. So if they don't want to maintain the marriage, the believer is no longer under bondage or set free from all obligations. You ask, "And also are Christians who remarried in an unbiblical manner perpetually sinning and headed to hell? Or is the “adultery” mentioned in this topic a one time sin when they remarried?" Remember the adultery is NOT happening because the people involved are "still married to their first spouse" (as postulated by the exaggerated view), but rather because they did not maintain sexual exclusivity. This is a one time transgression of God's creative design for marriage (predicated in the origin) and NOT based in the law itself. Two different ways of committing adultery where one is inadvertent and the other intentional. There is NO "perpetually sinning and headed to hell" for this way of committing adultery in God's Word. Blessings Pa Lee
I don’t think you can successfully argue both ways as John Piper does. Remarriage is wrong... but keep your second marriage vows. He deifys all marriage ceremonies... but invalidates all divorce. He draws the hardest of lines.... then smoothes it over for those who’ve broken their covenants. This is almost worse than those who deny the truth entirely.
I think i finally get it. Everything points BACK to the Gospel the perfect work that WE can’t do. We will try to obey try to be like Christ but we always fall short. Jesus covers every single Imperfect thing in us. ❤
@@regenducere8744 You know I agree with you no remarriage. I do struggle with this though. King David repented of his sin and was able to keep the woman because he killed her husband...It's like well if I kill my ex I can remarry and repent of the sin and be better off than I would be if I did not kill the ex....Very deep stuff...
@@3n197 Sometimes I wish mine would just die and go on to Hell so I can be free but that's not CHRIST. IF I killed her I would never repent and go t o HELL too. So, I have to love her enough to pray for our restoration and if she NEVER does then at least I will be in heaven and she would burn in HELL EVEN!! lol
John piper destroyed his own sermon when he says people in second marriages should not divorce, for this point he has denied the instructions of Christ. Divorce, remain single or reconcile. Second marriage is not even considered marriage, its adultery, how do you end adultery, you get out of second marriage period.
I'm afraid his teaching isn't biblical here. The "new marriage" (when your spouse hasn't died) isn't a true marriage, but an adulterous affair, and one must repent from adultery... Otherwise it would be the same as teaching that once you commit a certain sin for the first time it's not ok, but if you continue commiting the act to glorify Christ (!) the best and deepest way it is possible for you in that special situation, then it's ok to continue doing the act. Like, if you do sin well then it stops being a sin???
Johanna040713 Right. Jesus said the new marriage (when the first spouse lives), is adultry. So how can the adultry continue and be ok? Marriage is until death or Jesus would not call the second marriage adultry in the first place. If the first is still alive THAT is the spouse even if a man or woman at the courthouse signed a paper saying otherwise. I am pretty sure Jesus is wise enough to know. But so many listen to preachers instead of what Jesus said. It is astonishing that the preacher says the opposite of what Jesus said. I think it is just to keep the congregation happy.
Divorce does not actually equal single if the divorced spouse still lives. Jesus said the two become one until death. So that is the truth. I am divorced as far as paperwork says. But as far as Jesus says I am bound to keep myself from others as long as my first spouse lives. Should I be coddled by the minister and told the opposite of what Jesus said...for the sake of my happiness? NO! Because I do not want to live in adultry! I want to live according to what Jesus says.
I thank John Piper for his initial teaching and red flags on this issue. I have learned to love and appreciate Dr Piper. I heard John on his points here, and considered them carefully, but this position he is talking is away from goodness. Let me explain. When you dig for excuses to justify divorced and remarried people as being in sound, good moral plights because “they made a promise to commit adultery” it does not add up. It is adultery or it is not. Period. Hold the battle lines John! Do not waver. Remember God is perfect and holy. With the above teaching, you just opened up the flood doors for divorce and remarriage once again! Some people thinking of switching up partners may have paused at your initial teaching, then proceeded to divorce and remarry when they got to your position here. “Oh yes tickle my ears more, I just commit adultery once, can get grace, and be totally acceptable and not adulterated.” I will keep my promise to be in adultery? An adulterous remarriage could be nullified as sin, in order to seek to obey, and please the Lord is my take. I mean think of the scandalous drive though weddings, adulterers can get in a Las Vagus chapel in less than 5 minutes or the like. Would Piper say, a man should maintain that marriage instead of going back to his faithful wife and 5 kids who are waiting and praying he comes home? God forbid! From a biblical point of view, remarriage is not “Marriage” at all even as we term it as such. It is 100% sinful, vain adultery. It is not certifiable and is totally illegitimate as Jesus confirmed. So a couple can take liberty to go ahead and get “remarried,“ but they hit a brick wall and dead end in the process. The brick-wall called adultery. The Lord Jesus is warning his followers to not get into remarriage situations or they will indeed be committing adultery. No Christian in their right mind would want a marriage that has the title of adultery on it. So Jesus is basically saying do not do it. It is mainly to PREVENT people from entertaining this sick pathway in the first place. Notice He is talking it future tense seemingly as well? The countless sinners who live in this plight would be best to not hold their heads high and say “ I am Ok with this and without sin.” They are best to assume they are sinners, stuck with an adulterated relationship and can teach others not to follow their example. They should have humility as they seek grace and mercy. This is a much safer position. Those in bondage to adultery could include adulterated marriages who have produced babies and other serious obligations. Understand sexual sin; When your go so far with sin, there is a “point of no return.” A virgin cannot get her virginity back once she makes a sinful choice to give in to a male who is advancing. So Sin, like cancer, can get to a point where surgical interventions, or treatments are not practical. And there are no clear answers! So with remarriage adultery. Some cases we have no clear answers, but to see it as sin. It has invaded the whole body and there is no longer hope. There is the prospect to get ready to face pain and death for these patients. It is too late. Intervention was not done soon enough. Can we see the parallel? Where is the hope for an adulterated family? For kids and children who are defiled by th adultery their proud parents chose? But as believers, nothing is impossible. We fear not and trust in the Lord. I have a verse ....”God will judge the whore-monger and the adulterer.” That verse is found in the NT, age of grace, not the OT. I have studied this issue for about a year and have lost friends in the process of taking this no divorce remarriage position. But I am perfectly OK with that. I will always choose the Gospel over any union or religious sect. My own marriage has thrived over taking this no divorce and remarriage position as we now see ourselves as inseparable, in mutually agreed bounds l, but by death. Our marriage thrives with laughter and the kids are happy too! Those in remarriage adultery are not necessarily going to the fires of hell, God grace is amazing. But they are in adultery. We must make that clear, because that is what the Bible says. May God bless us as we try and fight this wildfire of divorce and remarriage adultery spreading
EF2000CanFly I have also been studied this issue and I have realized that many people they read what they believe instead of believing what they read.Many teachers have given up to the true teachings and find ways to defend or redefine.The devil is a liar
Please use scripture correctly, God does not join every marriage together to begin with. If the marriage is physically, emotionally, and sexually dead, their is no one flesh. That's called abandonment.
@@ronpolson6981 if you were true, then at conversion one would have to separate, or remarry.....er....this does not happen....so, by default one may assume that any one is acceptable....
Remarriage is not scriptural for any reason except after the death of one’s spouse. Even if one spouse is guilty of sexual immorality. The exception clause is stated ONLY for the question of divorce, NOT remarriage. Plus Jesus was answering their question in regards to Moses’ law, not Christianity. Paul states in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 that separation or reconciliation are the only two options because you are BOUND TILL DEATH, 1 Corinthians 7:39, Romans 7:1-3. Remarriage is not part of God’s plan for forgiveness, reconciliation, or redemption. Remarriage, if your spouse is still living, is done purely out of fleshly and worldly desires. Reconciliation is God’s will and perfect plan, not remarriage!
And can remarry in cases of abandonment. Listen to John McArthur on this subject. Piper says it’s wrong but tells his remarried congregation that not to divorce, stay in it. So what is ? If sin then he’s telling them to stay in it? Why? Piper did this because he had to get on one side or the other. This is not as black and white as he puts it. It’s a legalistic stance . Maybe go back and read The Heart of God. We were made for relationship, not singleness. An abandoned spouse is innocent unless one was an abuser and the abused had to leave. So the abused now is condemned ? Chip Ingram married a woman who came from an abusive marriage. He adopted her children and they’re married no for many years and he’s an incredible expositor of the word. We have to show grace here because that’s exactly what Jesus Christ does and always has. Where divorce is allowed remarriage is. Strongly disagree with Piper but still honor him. We can do that.
First I have studied this subject out with much prayer. Second, The Scripture teaches that one can separate. This is know as the law of separation found in: 1 Corinthians 7:15 KJV But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. Here is where most get the idea that they are free to remarry but all it says is >[IF]< they leave let them because God doesn't want you arguing or fighting. Third, If you do get a divorce you are to remain unmarried or be reconciled to your spouse because only death breaks the covenant of marriage. This is evident because an adulterer would have been stoned to death if found out. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Romans 7:2-3 KJV For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Fourth, Jesus said Mark 10:11-12 KJV And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Luke 16:18 KJV Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Fifth, When Paul says 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 KJV I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. The unmarried are not the divorced. They are people who have never had a spouse or ones that no longer have a living spouse because only death breaks the covenant. This is the reason widows are also spoken of. Sixth, The Apostles had trouble with this doctrine and after Jesus told the Pharisees what God's original purpose was, they asked him in private. Read Mark 10:10-12 after Mark 10:2-9 Mark 10:2-9 KJV And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:10-12 KJV And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. As you can plainly see, Jesus clarified God's standard of marriage. We do well to remember that God created marriage in the Garden of Eden and at that time man did not die. Meaning that marriage was lifelong/forever. And yes in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 it states the "Fornication clause", but this was referring to the Jewish custom of the 1 year betrothal period. Jewish tradition treated that time as a contracted marriage, and you would have to get a bill of divorce if you found your spouse to of had sex before marriage see . Deuteronomy 22:13-21 I.e. Your fiancee cheats on you before the "I do" and you find out you can call off the wedding/marriage. Joseph, Mary's fiancee was going to do this until God stopped him. Matthew 1:18-20 KJV Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was >>>[espoused]>[before they came together][husband][put her away privily]
Jesus was talking about Marriage, and divorce with pharises, not was talking about engage or betrothal ( Matthew 5 : 31, 32 or 19 : 5,6, 7, 8, 9) Jesus said on Marriage, Matthew 19 : 5 For the reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined (in marriage) to his wife, and two shall be come one flesh (allow to have sex as husband and wife for planing to have children) Matt 5 : 31 : it has been said whoever divorces his wife let him give her certificate of divorce or Matt 19 : 7 :....Why then did Moses command to give certificate of divorce, and put her away? Certificate of divorce is given to the woman who in marriage for any reason Jesus said Matthew 5 : 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason EXCEPT SEXUAL IMMORALITY causes her to commit adultery. Jesus mean : a husband does not allow his wife for any reason but not include for sexual immorality. If husband divorces his wife for any reason causes her commits adultery, it mean when divorced she maybe remarry to other man and she commits adultery. And husband who divorced wife for any reason and he also remarry another woman he commits adultery. Jesus said : Except for sexual immorality of wife, the husband allows to dovorce his wife bcz she did sex to another man (she has been defiled compare it to Deutr 24 : 4) Sexual immorality/fornication that wife did, when before she married or she is married. So the men allow to remarry if his wife has died and he divorced his adultery wife. And he can remarry but marries a woman who never been married or widow one. The women allow to remarry only if her husband (former husband) dies Jesus said to all men about the divorced women ( Matt 5 : 32 b, Luke 16 : 18b) : Whoever marries divorced woman, he commits adultery Jesus had his commandment to the wife who her husband is abusive, unfaithful or adultery and she is forced to separate or divorce from her husband, she has two option REMAIN UNMARRIED or RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND The certificate of divorce that gives to a wife is not to give her to free remarry but it tells to other men to let this woman remain unmarried or reconciliation. If her former husband take her back as wife, it is allowed,bcz she is not defiled bcz she has not remarried another man.
My husband left me after 24 years gir another women he has married her l pray everday he come home to his family we have a son that has server autism he needs him so much why would she want my husband she has 3 children by 3 different men why could she make one if those work I was married 1 time I took my vow to death do us part I'm so heart broken
I’m sorry for you situation. My son has autism as well. It’s definitely really hard. Keep praying for him and give your anger to God. He can give you rest and peace. 🙏🏽
John Piper is in union w Jesus Christ in truth up until the point he says those who remarried should stay together. Jesus Christ brought wrath to me for remarrying and His wrath came so powerfully that He made it IMPOSSIBLE to remain married to second husband. Then He began leading me back to my first husband in spirit. The second marriage will always be adultery to God.
May god convict others second marriage is adultery period even w repentance. The woman who had five husband, Jesus is referring to her husband being the first one. Her fifth was not him and neither were the other three.
Unfortunately you committed sin divorcing the second husband unless he abandoned you or committed adultery on you. To go back to him would be considered wrong also under the law. But Jesus can forgive any sin if one truly repents. But to teach to break another marriage vow as your teaching is wrong sister/brother. We don't add sin to our sin, we repent of our sin and walk in His mercy and restoration.
@@westgate5449 at a certain state....one just has to teach and let the consequences be what they may.....judgement day is no time to hear you did not teach my word....
I read he correctly says that FORNICATION is the word in Matt 5:32, and that it CANNOT mean post marital adultery. If so good. BUT...... does he say that you can divorce for premarital adultery YEARS AFTER MARRYING, or only if it is discovered before fornication??? Seems like he will be promoting an awful lot of divorce if he says discovery of premarital fornication is a cause for divorce and remarriage years after marrying. My guess is he wont say
Can I get a divorce if my spouse commits adultery? No. Can I get a divorce if my spouse is abusive to me? No. Can I get a divorce if I no longer love my spouse? No. Can I get a divorce if my spouse has abandoned me? No. Under what circumstances can I get a divorce? None. The Bible is clear; only death can dissolve a marriage in God's sight. Our only option is to separate from our spouse and remain single. If things improve between us and our spouse, reconciliation is possible (1 Corinthians 7:10-11, Bible). What about the exception in Matthew 5:31-32 and Matthew 19:1-9? There is no exception in Matthew's gospel: Once married, always married until death do us part, no exceptions. This applies to all human beings, regardless of whether you are a sinner or a saint.
I.m confused. How can you teach its adultery when you divorce your spouse and marry another spouse while that first spouse is living. then you say if your in that 2nd marriage ok just repent Repent means to stop doing what you're doing. I heard a preacher say if you steal a car which is a crime and you later repented and got saved. Can you continue to drive the stolen car. No!! you cant keep the car after you have repented you have to do whats right give the car back. So If I hear the truth that Jesus said I cant marry another while my first spouse is alive, then i have to give up what I'm doing to please him.
No, thats not HOW that works my sister. Don't believe this nonsense. We are responsible for ourselves. You cannot force anyone to be with you. Once your marriage is broken you no longer have a contract/covenant. Contracts involve at least 2 parties. You are not liable for the transgressions of your mate. You can only work on you. If they are unwilling to do their part then you can go your way and divorce. It is folly to think otherwise. Jesus chose to forgive us when he was on the cross. He paid the price. He said Father forgive them.....God already knew we would mess up and he chose us anyways. Think adam and eve. Because when you love someone you give,,,,You give love unconditionally. You think Jesus forgives murder but not a second marriage? Thank God he is God and mankind is not 31It has also been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her.g And he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Notice it says except for SEXUAL IMMORALITY. That is in there for a reason. There is no way around that. It says sexual IMMORALITY period. Take care
So at 1:18 min mark he admits he is going against what Jesus said and points you to a self authenticating document the HE wrote,,,,,and there you have it. He admits to making this up. We are done here.
If you look up the meaning of the word pornia, and fornication you will see where they came from and how was used back then and then you will see that this preacher and anyone make such claims regarding that scripture in matthew 19:9 are full of crap. See below, your welcome. Do your own research..... In the original Greek version of the New Testament, the term porneia (πορνεία - "prostitution") is used 25 times (including variants such as the genitive πορνείας).[3] In the late 4th century, the Latin Vulgate, a Latin translation of the Greek texts, translated the term as fornicati, fornicatus, fornicata, and fornicatae. The 1611 King James Version[4] used the term fornication. Other translations have used terms such as whoredom, sexual immorality (e.g., Matthew 19:9) or simply immorality.[5][6] In Latin, the term fornix means arch or vault. In Ancient Rome, prostitutes waited for their customers out of the rain under vaulted ceilings,[7] and fornix became a euphemism for brothels, and the Latin verb fornicarereferred to a man visiting a brothel.[8][9][10] The first recorded use in English is in the Cursor Mundi, c. 1300; the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) records a figurative use as well: "The forsaking of God for idols".[11]Fornicated as an adjective is still used in botany, meaning "arched" or "bending over" (as in a leaf). John Milton plays on the double meaning of the word in The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty(1642): "[She] gives up her body to a mercenary whordome under those fornicated [ar]ches which she cals Gods house."[12]
It's culturally significant to pay close attention to whether Our Lord Jesus is speaking of mankind, man or woman! He allows the man to remarry if his wife was guilty of "porno" which is perversion. If she had any form of sex with a male or a female, in effect, she dissolved the marriage herself. Thus, he can marry another, although his previous wife still lives.
I'm glad Brother Piper stresses the amazing Love of God, however one can have received this love yet is free to leave Him. We pray for backsliders, but we know it's simply their choice. Perhaps praying Spiritual Warfare over them is best, binding the demonic influence in Jesus Name!!!
Apparently, the man is not under equal penalty partly perhaps because he is her provider and her protector as is Our God to us! Her job is to bear and nurture children. She should not be so foolish as to risk losing a husband over her lustful temptations. Remember also that God divorced Israel then marries His Church!!! Old Testament vs New Testament.
I have a question for John Piper. How do you read 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 because that was my situation before? You try and try to keep on reconciling with that person who says they are a Christian, but no matter how much you try, they refused to reconcile with you, and they flat out divorced you. I always believed marriage was for life and you should never divorce because my parents and grandparents never divorced. My dad stayed with my mom until she died. I always wanted a long lasting marriage until death do us part, but you can't force the other person to stay with you if they flat out refused to stay with you. Divorce is never an answer to your marital problems, but working it out is the best way. But as Paul the Apostle says, you are free from the person who abandons you. What that person does in abandoning you they will have to answer to the Lord for what they have done. They will pay for their sins in what they have done, and I have seen it first hand where people have destroyed their lives because they left their spouse because they don't want to be with their spouse. So, what is the abandoned spouse supposed to do?
The abandoned spouse is to remain single and pray for reconciliation. Luke 16:18 New International Version 18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. I know this is difficult, but you must remember that we serve a God who is capable of all things. He can reconcile your marriage. He is able to soften even the hardest of hearts. It can and will be done. I pray that for you in Jesus name. If you are going through this, pray daily for your wife to return. I am happy to pray for you as well.
You do not commit adultery until you remarry and/or engage in sex with another individual who is not your spouse or 1st husband. Therefore if your spouse is already sleeping with others, or has committed adultery, then I believe you are free to go.
@@palee8928 so let me get this straight then you have to stay single for the rest of your life? Because once that person divorces you, you may never have contact again. So how are you supposed to know whether she has been with another guy or not?
I have read several comments below and this is my observation. Many will find scriptures to justify what they want to believe and ignore some of the passaged Piper has stated and use the passages that make them justify what they want to believe. Two passages for those individuals. With fear and trembling workout your own salvation for it is God working in you the willing and doing of His good pleasure. Also ; So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad. Therefore, since we know what it means to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is clear to God, and I hope it is clear to your conscience as well.
I am confused...If a wife is divorced by her husband and he has taken everything is she supposed to be single and live in poverty? Without a husband to care for her? Or is she free to remarry? I think it stinks that someone should remain single because their spouse leaves them. There was absolutely nothing I could do. I have been single for 10 years and I hate it. I would love to have a spouse to be a wife too. So are you saying, I am not worth the crap on the bottom of a person's shoe because my spouse cheated on me and left me for another woman. I do not want to be single anymore and this message kind of irritated me. it was very one sided because you don't believe in divorce. Well....I didn't either until I experience it. I didn't even sign the papers in court. But again, there was nothing I could do. So, now...I am supposed to be punished for something my ex has done? REALLY!
THIs has nothing to do with self worth. It has everything to do with your view that women who are divorced should not re-marry. I am saying I am tired of being punished for the actions of others. YOu are saying keep being punished because you are divorced. It has nothing to do with self worth. It is about paying the price for someone else's actions. your views are of a person who doesn't believe in divorce and a man has the right to do what ever he wants to a woman. that is not Biblical either. None of my statement had anything to do with My Worth but everything about being punished for the actions of others by being single. A life that does not fit me. Your attitude pisses me off to tell it nicely.
So now you are judging me? Jesus also says not to judge others hearts or if they are good enough to go to heaven. Only God knows. It is not that I am selfish and not following God. I probably follow God's word more then most people. I spend a lot of my time studying scripture not just reading it or listening to others talk about it. My life has always been about God and my family. So don't even go there and do not ever accuse someone of living like most of the world. You have no idea where I am with Yahwe or his son Yeshua. Or for that matter Ruach.
HikariBelle Read these in the full context of which they were written. Mat_7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. Luk_6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released: Heb_10:30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. Look at this parable Yeshua gave with the woman accused of adultery Joh 8:6 And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. Joh 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. Joh 8:9 And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. Joh 8:10 And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? Joh 8:11 And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.]
HikariBelle Actually I am tired of people like you who pick on those of us who are divorced. Again stop judging others hearts. Get it correct. and leave me be if you can't stop being holier then thou. People like you make me and everyone like me sick. You are judgmental. If you have nothing constructive to say back off. I am not bitter about anything other then those who think they are above all others. That pisses me off beyond belief along with many others. You obviously have not been divorced so if you do not know anything about it you have no idea what it is like. You all put a BIG FAT SCARLET LETTER ON OUR CHESTS! You make me sick.
Actually it is people saying these things. Since people tend to think scripture says anything they want. You pick and choose doctrines of men. Corinthians talks about marriage and divorce. I am allowed to remarry since I did not choose to divorce. Do not contact me again or comment on this again. You are judgmental and it only causes contempt among believers. Again something that is not to be done according to scripture.
Christ does not always take her back. The one exception for divorce is if one of the two fornicate during the engagement period. And right now, the bride of Christ is only in the engagement period, waiting for Christ to return for the marriage ceremony. For just as Hebrew men would take a year long engagement period to build a home for his new bride, so too has Christ gone to heaven to prepare a home for his wife. And, consequently, will give a writ of divorce to those churches/believers that have been unfaithful during this engagement period.
So many people are no longer reading the KJV. The other translations give you permission to remarry due to sexual immorality; however, the KJV, in Matthew 19:9, says except for fornication. Huge difference in the wording. I have researched this issue in depth, and there is nowhere in the Holy Scriptures that gives you permission to remarry after a divorce, unless your spouse dies. Search the scriptures for yourself. DO NOT listen to false teachers. Your eternal destiny depends on it. If you stays in the marriage, you are living in adultery.
Paul also instructs in 1 Corinthians 7: 10-11. “10Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.” So even if they separate or divorce over fornication, adultery, or what ever adjective you wanna place on it, the scripture is clear they are to be remarried to each other. If they marry other people they are committing adultery. I know people don’t want to hear the truth, but we have no choice but to share the truth with them.
Then why were people allowed to remarry under the Law in the Old Testament and why were none of them immediately stoned to death if it's considered adultery?
People BE CAREFUL and DON'T BE DECEIVED. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMS that "ALL REMARRIAGE" is in fact adultery. REPENTANCE from adultery means "stop stop living together and having sex with somebody else's husband or wife". This preacher is preaching half truth you can't remain in your sin and be forgiven Here's a question I want to ask you Do you believe you can continually have sex with somebody else's husband or wife and go to heaven? Do you believe that is secular judge can throw down the gavel and separate a husband and wife whom God joined together? Does the judge who's presides over the divorce case get this is authority given to him from heaven? The answer is no. If you're living in a remarriage you're actually living in ongoing adultery and you must repent of it. You were warned you will not be able to stand before God and say nobody told you. I beg and plead with you don't go to the eternal lake of fire because you're having sex with somebody else's husband or wife. Jesus said and gave a commandment and it's in 1st Corinthians 7 verse 10 and 11 Jesus said I command the wife not to depart from her husband but if she departs let her remain single or be reconciled into her husband...and to the husband I command the husband not to divorce his wife. So you see if somebody is estranged from their spouse they are to be reconciled if at all possible So are you willing to have sex with somebody else's husband or wife when Jesus instructed them to be reconciled if at all possible. The very fact that you're with them prevents them from being reconciled to their spouse as Jesus commanded. Jesus said my people perish for a lack of knowledge. Please read 1st Corinthians 7:10 and 11 And obey it just like it's written Don't let a smooth sounding preacher change your mind about what Jesus said. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments this is a real commandment issued by Christ Jesus in 1st Corinthians 7:10 and 11 to all married couples. OBEY CHRIST Stop living with somebody else's husband or wife having sex with them thinking you're in a remarriage. STOP IT I beg you with tears if you really cared about people's families you would allow them to be reconciled because you're with a broken family trying to make a new family. It doesn't matter how terrible their spouse is you must obey Christ and let God heal their relationship if at all possible. "Father I pray for the millions of people reading this comment that they would turn from their sins because millions of people are being plunged into hell by the LIE of remarriage Jesus you plainly stated whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and whoever marries her that is divorced also commits adultery. Father it has been proven that Erasmus added the words except for fornication in the 1500s to the Greek translations and father you know that since this faulty translation has been in the Bible people have begin to accept divorce and remarriage. But father you know prior to the 1500s for a thousand years the church didn't allow divorce and remarriage because it was 100% unbiblical. And father you know that Philip and Herodotus in the Bible were married according to Roman law and they were divorced according to Roman law and Herodotus remarried a man named Herod but Father John the Baptist being filled of the holy Spirit condemn the remarriage as adultery." I therefore under the instruction of God the Father God the son and God the holy Spirit warn the reader to depart from iniquity and depart from sin all remarriage is adultery you will not be able to find one remarried couple in the Bible and the only remarried couple in the Bible that were remarried according to law they were condemned as adulterers. Even in the case of divorce for fornication or sexual immorality because that was the exact reason that Philip divorced Herodotus because Herodotus was having an affair with Herod. So you see the strongest case for divorce and remarriage is even condemned by the Holy Spirit through John the Baptist. God bless you dear reader you were warned I shake the dust off from my feet for those people who would argue with me for they argue with Jesus Christ for his words stands and defends itself The words that I preach are the truth and they are the words that are given to me by Jesus Christ Once again I beg you to repent repentance means stop having sex with somebody else's husband and wife get out of that bedroom and get out of that house and stop living together and calling yourself a family. Only those people who depart from sin will make it into heaven
Grace to you The first question you ask is completely absurd!!! You ask "Do you believe you can continually have sex with somebody else's husband or wife and go to heaven?" Proving you totally misunderstand the biblical CONTEXT for Jesus' teaching on divorce. You are NOT interpreting Jesus from the Biblical precedents to which He refers, but rather from the extreme, exaggerated position of some Pastors who inverts the meaning of "divorce" and "marries another" as stated by Jesus. Your whole post is predicated on the FALSE belief that "divorce" and "marries another" (as spoken by Jesus) does not actually mean divorce and marries another, right? You have wrongly followed Teachers who invert and dismiss those events "as if" they had not actually happened. BIG, BIG mistake in your interpretation. You are affirming the literalness of the ensuing adultery while at the same time denying the literalness of the divorce and second marriage, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In Jesus' teaching one marriage has ended and ANOTHER marriage followed. Thus your question is totally fabricated from a FALSE interpretation which inverts word meaning in order to get to the erroneous interpretation. You would HAVE to admit that if Jesus was revealing what transpires by ending a marriage before death where remarriage was allowed under the law (as shown in the law of Deuteronomy 24 verse 2), that you have totally misconstrued Jesus' teaching on this issue, right? Thus those divorced and remarried are NOT having sex "with somebody else's husband or wife" (as you FALSELY believe), but rather with their own spouse. Try believing EVERYTHING Jesus said from the Biblical precedents to which He refers and NOT from Teachers who create a new, erroneous narrative by adding false suppositions that undermines the fact that divorce and remarriage are actual events that change marital status and obligations to the present spouse. Blessings
@@nealdoster8556 Neal, John being full of the Holy Spirit said "it is unlawful for you to have your "BROTHER'S WIFE". This statement was told to a man who legally married a legally divorced woman according to Roman Law. Do you disagree with the Holy Spirit? What man can stand before the Holy Spirit and disagree with Him? Do you have the power to join Herodotus and Herod as husband and wife? No, you do not. Did the Roman judge who presided over Phillip's divorce of Herodotus have power to dissolve the marriage? No, because God said what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Niel, I perceive that you are near this transgression of remarriage adultery or know someone who is in this sin. Repent and be saved Those refusing the warning of God will perish for hath not said "thou shall not commit adultery"?
@@princedarius7224 You are basing your whole theory that marriage is indissoluble on "BROTHER'S WIFE" in that text. Wow !!!!! Expression like that are retrospective like in 2 Samuel 12 which states "15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that "Uriah's wife" bare unto David, and it was very sick. In that text it has already been revealed that Uriah was dead and David had taken Bathsheba to be his wife AFTERWARD but she is still referred to numerous times after the death of Uriah as "Uriah' wife". So from your way of interpreting such phrases death didn't even dissolve the marriage, right? Well for most Christians that text is simple because they rightly understand that "Uriah's wife" within CONTEXT is retrospective, understand? Secondly, Do you know the law that Herod broke because he actually broke an Old Testament law or are you like so many who just assumes John made up a law about remarriage (in general) being unlawful? Please share from the scriptures to which John referred where remarriage of itself was unlawful.
If you can help me by answering the questions below, I would appreciate it. 1) I have not found a text that says that a MAN abandoned (passive) by his wife commits adultery if he marries another woman or that he should remain alone; 2) a woman abandoned, even for an unjust cause (Deut. 24), could remarry (she was not to be stoned as an adulteress, Deut. 22), except to priests (Lev. 21). After the coming of the Lord, the woman unjustly abandoned can no longer marry? Was there more freedom for the abandoned woman before? Jesus said that he would not repeal the Law given by His Father. 3) Why does the text about "divorce" (or separation) appear in Luke in the middle of texts about money? 4) Why is it believed that the union of one flesh is something ontological, and there are several passages in which it is demonstrated that this does not occur (Abraham and Hagar, marriage with foreigners, relations between relatives, Ex. 22,17, I Cor. 5, I Cor .6, Deut. 24...) 5) The verbs allow and command are interchanged in Matthew 19 and Mark 10. Why does almost everyone who preaches Matthew 19 ignore this interchange in Mark 10? 6) Why do people ignore that the procedural question of the divorce certificate has value? Think with me: what was the penalty for adultery? Stoning? Not always. If there were no witnesses and she was guilty, the penalty for the same offense would be different, according to Num. 5. Why is it not noticed that God made this point in Isaiah 50 when asking where the divorce certificate would be? 7) if an unbeliever leaves his believing spouse and disappears in the world. In a short time, no one knows the whereabouts of the person, and not even if he is alive (the Brazilian Civil Code even regulates absence, by the way), the believing spouse would be prohibited from getting married permanently, because how would he know if the other died? 8) do you think that in Corinth there were no divorced people? If in Israel the concept of marriage was no longer there, in the Greek environment there was no divorce? Paul did not give the Corinthians any divorce decrees. 9) Paul told Timothy that doctrines of demons would arise: prohibition of marriages and food. Do you know anywhere banning food only to leaders? I am not. So why interpret that the ban on marriages that would arise would only be for leaders (as we usually interpret it, understanding Catholics in that position)? 10) Paul said in Romans 7 that the wife was bound to her husband unto death by the LAW, not by an indissoluble Neoplatonic ontological bond. The woman could be required by the man if he did not give her a certificate of divorce. But if he gave it, even if unjustly and because of the hardness of heart, she was not bound to him by the LAW. Paul used the rule to use a metaphor. God bless you!
I have been in a physically abusive marriage for 8 years. Been strangled thrice, punched, abandoned for 2 yrs and so on. All these years I put up, believing it would all change. Gave up on praying for my marriage. I was forced to stay at home so I wont have any finances even though I have a Masters in engineering. Now he's divorcing me. I have a child and Im out of my country. What can I do. I am done. Ive got auto immune disease bcoz if this stress.
I really like a lot of John Piper's messages and most of this one, but I disagree @ 57:30 A biblical example of illegitimate marriage, which is not recognized by God and is indeed a continuous act of adultery and sin Herod and Herodias Mark 6:17-20 17 For it was Herod who had sent and seized John and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, because he had married her. 18 For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.” 19 And Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death. But she could not, 20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. When he heard him, he was greatly perplexed, and yet he heard him gladly. John the Baptist lost his life and was beheaded for telling Herod that it was not lawful for him to have his brother's wife. John the Baptist didn't tell Herod to acknowledge his sinful marriage to Herodias, feel sorry about it, believe in the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and simply move on while continuing his illegitimate marriage. No, he told him it is not lawful for him to have his brother's wife. As long as Herod kept his brother's wife, although he had married her and took Herodias as wife, it was not lawful and the marriage was illegitimate. It was a continuous act of adultery that needed to be repented of. John the Baptist was telling Herod to divorce Herodias his illegitimate wife, because she was not actually his wife, but still the wife of his brother.Illegitimate marriages are adultery. They are not valid marriages and never will be until the REAL spouse dies.
Then @ 1:00:00 he quotes Deut. 24 and completely misses it again. The reason the original spouse was not allowed to take back the wife that has gone and defiled herself with another man, isn't because that other relationship was valid in the eyes of God. It is because she was defiled and it would be an abomination to receive her back. It goes so far as to say that even if the man she was defiled with was DEAD, the original spouse still couldn't take her back. This is completely different from the law of an actual God ordained marriage where the covenant is ended by death of the spouse.
I wouldn't say that John Piper doesn't know squat. I have really been edified by many of his sermons even though I disagree with his views from time to time and on some doctrinal points. I personally think he knows better. He claims he is taking a hard nosed and narrow stance on this issue but I see him squirming and twisting the Scriptures in order to not take the real hard nosed stance that John the Baptist took which cost him his life. It is a very tough thing to say to people that their marriage is illegitimate. It isn't fun or exciting. Especially if they have had children together in their adulterous illegitimate relationship. It can cost you family members and close friends. It can cost you your congregation and the tithe money which you survive on. It will certainly bring forms of persecution and division. I have a sibling and a parent that have chosen to pursue illegitimate marriages and my sibling has had children in this relationship and I know just how hard it is to share the truth of God's word with someone in one of these situations. Especially when they now have children. Luke 12:51-53 becomes very real when you make the decision to stand on His word and proclaim His truth, no matter the cost. John 17:14 becomes very real and personal when you make the decision to stand on God's word no matter the cost. The reason why is because men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil. Because every one that does evil hates the light, neither do they come to the light, lest their deeds should be reproved. (John 3:19-20). People want to have their ears itched according to their own lustful desires. At the end of the day though, I don't want to stand before God and have Him ask me why I didn't warn them if I knew the truth. I don't want my family or friends to ask me why I didn't warn them. I don't want anyone's blood on my hands. Jeremiah 23:14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one turns back from his wickedness. All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah. Ezekiel 13:22 Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life. Jeremiah 23:17-18, 22 17 They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’ 18 But which of them has stood in the council of YHWH to see or to hear his word? Who has listened and heard his word? 22 But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds.
Sojourner in a foreign land was herod actually MARRIED In The eyes of MEN to Herodias? Is ceremony etc Had she got a .an made divorce from Herod's brother?
(NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART), This may be the most clear message on Biblical Marriage & Divorce that I have ever heard. Describing several points of view and emphasizing the model of Christ the Groom and the Church His Bride.
"No civil, legal, religious, cultural, or state divorce is valid in the eyes of God. This includes all human divorces that have taken place on planet Earth since Adam and Eve sinned. Not a single one of them severed the one-flesh union of a lawful marriage. They all took place without God’s permission. They were all unilateral decisions, as they are to this day, and will be to the end of time."
This is only a one sided argument concerning divorce and re-marriage. I remember Chuck Swindol once said that if you put all the theologians on a bus and sent them away for several months to discuss this very issue, they would come back with no unanimous answer or a agreement. Yes, divorce is painful, yes, it is against the LORD's will but there is always God's infinite Grace and love. The bible says: "If the unbeliever leaves, let them go and you are no longer bound." The greek word bound means tied, held, committed or attached. If the abandoned spouse has not defiled the marriage bed and he/she is divorced against their will, they are no longer bound to the adulterer and the marriage vows. They are free to remarry. Many men in the Bible, even David, a man after God's heart had many wives. We live in a fallen world and the LORD has made allowances through HIS son Jesus and HIS Grace. I do not say this lightly. I was abandoned by an adulterous husband who abandoned his Lord also, and therefore after many years of singleness the LORD brought a good and godly man into my life. My current husband. So do not judge us so that you also may not be judged.
+Nora Sanders Curran I agree with you, I do not think that an individual will go to hell or be living a life of sin if he or she remarried after their spouse abandoned the marriage.
you are shot down, by five words....at least in the English language....but I say, unto you.....hmmmm someone changed the rules.....and dont worry you will be able to give him your opinion, at the judgement...just dont make it, at the White Throne....
I am married to a man that's been married 3 time didn't know until i was ready to sign the papers i did sign it any way and after that it was hell for me this is my first marriege i ask him if his wives did cheat on him he said no then i heard a pastor preaching about it and saying i was committed adultry my mind was not settle so i ask him to leave cause we are living in sin am filing for divorce from him and am at peace and i ask God to forgive me of this sin. I read the Bible for myself about marriage and yes i was living in sin now am at peace with God.
if you are married to a man, who was on his third wife....chances are the divorces are not Biblical....if this is the case....Biblically it was not a marriage....ergo you can divorce...and remarry.....because you were never in a covenant relationship...
How low we have gotten as a society. We've managed to self destroy so precious blessings. GOD PLEASE HELP US! REVIVE us LORD PLEASE put an end to this epidemic of marital destruction.
John Piper teaches in error. Started out good but went off course when he said that if you are divorced and in another marriage you should remain there because you made an oath? Blasphemy!! When Jesus said that you are an adulterer if you divorce and remarry, he didnt say that you made another oath so remain and ask for forgiveness. Apostle Paul said if one marries another while your original lives you will be known as an adulterer. Anytime you enter into another, have you not TRIED to set up another union?? But God says its ADULTERY. YES ITS PAINFUL BUT YOU MUST BREAK THE SINFUL UNION
This all seems very legalistic to me! I believe every word of scripture and realize God is holy but I believe Christ death on the cross is finished work and covers all sins. I realize God hates divorce! And I'm familiar with the gospel teachings concerning divorce. I recall the woman at the well having five husbands and Jesus forgave her! The woman caught in the act of adultery was faced with stoning and Jesus told her accusers that those without sin cast the first stone. In other words all those people holding stones had a legalistic mindset but couldn't live under it's application. Legalism is something you have to be careful of because you too can't live under it's application. To say someone who gets divorced because their spouses runs off with someone else should honor the marriage by staying lonely the rest of their days is an indirect reading of the gospel. If it's ok to remarry when a spouse passes, what about when the marriage itself dies?
Baby James His legalism and hypocrisy come full circle now that he demands that legally married gays repent, divorce and completely split up, and put the children in the custody of 'healthy' Christian families so they can 'flourish', in order for the gay people to become members of the church. Why not insist on the same for divorced and remarried people, who are nothing more than adulterers, who have produced bastards as children?
Paul says a person who is married is legally bound until a husband dies. A person whose spouse committed pornea and receives a Biblical divorce doesn't have a spouse!
@chad fibregel@ gmail.com I would not take the extreme that every remarried person in adultery should leave. There has to be damage control. 80% will leave anyways, is it called divorce after remarriage statistics! Those remarried, with children and legal obligations with the family could cause even more sin by leaving another woman destitute. Especially when the other has remarried. What they SHOULD ALWAYS DO, is humbly admit their are in adultery, and have remorse for the sin they have inflicted upon themselves, the family, and community. Some scandalous adulterated remarriages should separate and repent no doubt, and those who should, know who you are! I don't know what to say.... sometimes there is no answer to sin! What is our rationale to a stage 4 cancer patient? Those bound in the tentacles of sin, divorce and perverted adultery sin may be indeed on their was with the masses to the flames and torments of hell. Some will escape. God's grace is amazing! But Remember, humility and repentance. Even for us in this "ME" narcissistic, Google generation of "know it alls." One cannot be saved if they are not broken in their sin.
@@philipbuckley759 not sure what your point is. I think you are advocating remarriage after a divorce. Could you please clarify your position since you have been in disagreement?
You just said only God can break the marriage vow....now you say couples in adultery can stay that way? Stay with the scriptures...not what YOU think. John was beheaded for telling Herod he should not have Herodius which means marriage is sacred. I cant believe what Im hearing. You should have listened to the woman on the phone.
Let me ask a few questions in regard to a contextual interpretation of Jesus teaching on this matter. How do you feel about the Old Testament women who were allowed to remarry under the law after being repudiated (divorced) by their husbands (Deuteronomy 24:2)? Do you distain them and call them whores and adulterers? Or do you have compassion for them knowing they needed a companion and provider being that this way of committing adultery was the inadvertent consequence of the divorce concession Jesus mentions in Matthew 19:8? Jesus revealed that these women were caused to commit adultery by their former husbands repudiation of them when they remarried (Matthew 5:32). Does that mean Jesus prohibited remarriage (even though He didn't)? Would you say that God got it wrong under the law and those women shouldn't have remarried? Is Jesus correcting His Father and Moses? Or is He simply revealing that ending a marriage before death (divorce) carries a negative consequence of adultery for the ensuing marriage? What would you do if you were divorced and God graciously allowed you to remarry? Would you remain single and celibate or would you remarry? That's the paradox presented in God's Word. Hope that helps you understand the divorce dilemma better. Blessings to all
@@philipbuckley759 "changed the system". You must believe Jesus lied!!!! Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Try believing Jesus on the issue of divorce from the biblical precedents to which He referred, NOT by thinking He "changed the system".
What other sin can repent of and continue doing and expect to be in God’s will? I love this sermon and Piper’s devotion and sincerity. I just disagree on that point. We need more preachers that will match the truth of God’s words, to the needs of our lives.
I agree with a lot of what he says however I do not believe God blesses all marriages as true covenants. What about homosexual marriages is it a sin to divorce in that case? This union was still done under law as all marriages, therefore He cannot ordain all marriages.
wow...I totally disagree with his teachings on the 2nd remarriage that is illegal in God's eyes. ....his points are invalid. He will never go to a couple and tell them they should divorce because he will lose his congregation.
I praise the Lord I’m single and did not marry!!!! I was saved 25 years ago while pregnant and thankfully advised not to marry the unbeliever father. He is now married with three kids. It’s hard in many ways being single but God has been an amazing husband in so many ways. (Getting cat down from a tree after four days).
Never teach that there are exemptions in the Bible for divorce. This is absolutely false. Marriage is until death do you part. If you divorce and remarry…. You do not marry, but commit adultery. The only exemption is in the context of the Jewish Gospel of Matthew where if one fornicated in a betrothal dedication (as was assumed in the account of Mary found to be with child and Joseph) he could have justly put her away and divorced and therefore remarried. So what? Every person and couple who you know is divorced and remarried are living in adultery and in the practice of it. This is bashed on Galatians, they are not inheriting the Kingdom of God. Pastors who remarry and teach the exemption clause loopholes are in danger of hell too. Because again they practice it even as they are one women men. Wise up on this we must
You claim "If you divorce and remarry…. You do not marry, but commit adultery." Do you realize you are making a self contradicting statement? Do you believe Jesus lied when He said "marries another" and "which is put away" which refers to divorce? Don't you actually believe His words or not? Your interpretation of Jesus is exaggerated. By only interpreting part of what He said literally you are self contradicting. You SHOULDN'T invert His words in order to come to your conclusions. Your interpretation is erroneous by concluding that in Jesus' teaching there is an either/or conclusions. In truth Jesus gave a both/and conclusion. You are claiming it's either marriage or adultery, right? That is a false interpretation!!!!!!!!!!! This is the common fallacy to your position and all who share it. So what would your conclusion be if you realized Jesus in fact gave a both/and conclusion? In other words all the events He mentions (divorce, marriage, and adultery) are actual events that changed marital status from one spouse to another? The ensuing adultery doesn't change those truths, understand? You are NOT interpreting Jesus from the biblical precedents to which He refers but rather from false suppositions interjected into His teaching. You need to STOP thinking that the adultery happens because the first marriage doesn't end. That's the total opposite of what Jesus said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is in fact explaining that this way of committing adultery transpires because the first marriage ended prematurely, (NOT continued as you've been programed to believe). This way of committing adultery happens exactly how Jesus described it, NOT because some interpreter inverts the meaning of His words in order to come to some erroneous conclusion. So if Jesus meant what He said you have one marriage ending and another constituted. Thus being in harmony with the writings of Moses to which He refers (and NOT in contradiction as false suppositions interpret). That would mean that those remarried are married to their present spouse and NOT their former. It would also mean they are obligated to them and NOT their former!!!!!!!!!!!! It would ALSO mean that the way you claim this adultery occurs is FALSE. It's NOT the adultery of "still being married to the first spouse in God's eyes". That conclusion is the opposite of what Jesus actually said. In Jesus' teaching on this issue He was explaining to His covenant people the inadvertent consequence of conceding divorce to them over against God's creative design which is lifelong (Matthew 19:8). Try interpreting Jesus with both of those facts being true. Blessings
So if I divorced my husband because he was abusive, cheated, and got someone else pregnant (his own sister at that, year you read that correctly), and has now found himself in prison 25 years. I’m not allowed to ever remarry? Find a fatherly figure for my son? Can someone help clear this up for me?
John MacArthur preaches Part 1, 2, and 3 on marriage and divorce. You can find them on UA-cam. He has Scriptures that state the only reason for divorce is sexual sin, any sexual sin of any kind. Then the spouse is free to remarry. I urge you to listen to all three of John MacArthur's sermons. They really cleared up my questions. May God give you clarity as you seek to obey Him. In Jesus, Amen. Prayers for you, PJ
Scripture gives two reasons that would allow for divorce. One is if your spouse had an affair with someone else (had sex). Matthew 5:32. Or if you were abandoned by a nonbelieving spouse (1 Corinthians 7:15). Matthew 5:32 gives permission for spouses of those who committed adultery or committed “sexual immorality” to remarry, it’s the “exception” that is allowed in this verse.
The LORD JESUS said that unless if there's evidence of sexual immorality one can not remarried. One would have to be very careful as to examine how a wife can withhold herself to her husband forcing him to look elsewhere to fulfill his needs. Likewise, husbands must treat their wives with love and understanding. The word say clearly, husbands love your wives as JESUS loves the church that HE gave his life for it.
For those pondering staying in remarriage as sin let me pose you a question. I as an unbeliever got tattoos. Later I understood tattoos as sinful and repented. Am I still walking in sin because I STILL have tattoos? John Piper is correct and did a good job of explaining why. I wont commit the sin of divorcing my husband and breaking up my God filled home now just because I sinned then. What was once sin has now been made Holy by Blood. Praise Jesus for forgiveness.
Rachel Santana Andrew Todd Andrew, Jesus said all remarriage is Adultury. Stop listening to people and ask for an infilling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said the comforter on the father will send will lead and guide you into all truth. Satan is very deceptive Jesus offers NO EXCEPTIONS on divorce and remarriage .... Did you know the Book of Matthew was circulated among the Jews and the Book of Mark and Luke was circulated among the Gentiles In The Book of Mark and Luke Jesus offers no exception whatsoever In the Book of Matthew Jesus said that a Jewish man who is betrothed to a virgin and if he finds out she's not a virgin "before" they're married he can put her away. This is why he used the term "fornication". .... Also if you're relying on a modern translation of the Bible you are being deceived by Satan Did you know the NIV Bible has omitted so many scripture that it's enough to fill 33 small books of the Bible. Did you know places in the NIV that were omitted dealt with worshipping Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus and very important scriptures. Did you know the same company that prints the NIV Bible and most modern Bible translations also produces the Satanic Bible. It comes from the SAME company FACT. Did you know that ALL PASTORS allowing divorce and remarriage COMPLETELY IGNORE the book of Mark and the book of Luke were Jesud offers NO EXCEPTIONS. Don't die in your sins Repent and leave the adulturous affair Your remarriage is in fact Adultury Repent of this adultury Did you know the scripture says what God has joined together no man can put asunder When you made a covenant till death do you part to the person that was never marry your first wife or husband the GOD recorded your covanant in heaven and joined you as ONE FLESH. No "man" can undo this ONE FLESH that God performed in Heaven. Jesus said, many will say unto me Lord Lord and Jesus said He will say Depart from me, you worker of iniquity. The word of God is not popular today and man has tried to redefine God's word for centuries God defines a marriage as a man with one or more wives (provided each wife has never been married or is widowed) God will not allow a man to divorce his wife and marry another woman because the man is symbolic of God and the wife is symbolic of isreal. I plead with you to STOP LISTENING TO MAN, STOP PUTTING YOUR ETERNAL SOUL in the hands of youtube video authors who DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. Notice if you have a room full of Christians and if you ask a question about divorce and remarriage you'll get a thousand different answers. People ask the preacher "what is YOUR VIEW of divorce and remarriage?" WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASK A MAN "WHAT IS HIS VIEW" WHEN GOD TOLD YOU HIS VIEW ALREADY? Read the book of Mark Read the book of Luke Use a King James Bible there is no debate on the subject. I warn you before God If you follow anyone else other than Jesus, you will end up in Hell Jesud said I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH, I AM THE LIGHT No man comes to the father but by me No one goes to heaven but by me Jesus is saying Again I warn you to flee your ungodly affair that God sees as adultury when you stand before God you will not be able to have an excuse because of God's servant warned you that you were going to die and go to hell for sexual sin
JesusGirl Andrew Todd Andrew, Jesus said all remarriage is Adultury. Stop listening to people and ask for an infilling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said the comforter on the father will send will lead and guide you into all truth. Satan is very deceptive Jesus offers NO EXCEPTIONS on divorce and remarriage .... Did you know the Book of Matthew was circulated among the Jews and the Book of Mark and Luke was circulated among the Gentiles In The Book of Mark and Luke Jesus offers no exception whatsoever In the Book of Matthew Jesus said that a Jewish man who is betrothed to a virgin and if he finds out she's not a virgin "before" they're married he can put her away. This is why he used the term "fornication". .... Also if you're relying on a modern translation of the Bible you are being deceived by Satan Did you know the NIV Bible has omitted so many scripture that it's enough to fill 33 small books of the Bible. Did you know places in the NIV that were omitted dealt with worshipping Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus and very important scriptures. Did you know the same company that prints the NIV Bible and most modern Bible translations also produces the Satanic Bible. It comes from the SAME company FACT. Did you know that ALL PASTORS allowing divorce and remarriage COMPLETELY IGNORE the book of Mark and the book of Luke were Jesud offers NO EXCEPTIONS. Don't die in your sins Repent and leave the adulturous affair Your remarriage is in fact Adultury Repent of this adultury Did you know the scripture says what God has joined together no man can put asunder When you made a covenant till death do you part to the person that was never marry your first wife or husband the GOD recorded your covanant in heaven and joined you as ONE FLESH. No "man" can undo this ONE FLESH that God performed in Heaven. Jesus said, many will say unto me Lord Lord and Jesus said He will say Depart from me, you worker of iniquity. The word of God is not popular today and man has tried to redefine God's word for centuries God defines a marriage as a man with one or more wives (provided each wife has never been married or is widowed) God will not allow a man to divorce his wife and marry another woman because the man is symbolic of God and the wife is symbolic of isreal. I plead with you to STOP LISTENING TO MAN, STOP PUTTING YOUR ETERNAL SOUL in the hands of youtube video authors who DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. Notice if you have a room full of Christians and if you ask a question about divorce and remarriage you'll get a thousand different answers. People ask the preacher "what is YOUR VIEW of divorce and remarriage?" WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASK A MAN "WHAT IS HIS VIEW" WHEN GOD TOLD YOU HIS VIEW ALREADY? Read the book of Mark Read the book of Luke Use a King James Bible there is no debate on the subject. I warn you before God If you follow anyone else other than Jesus, you will end up in Hell Jesud said I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH, I AM THE LIGHT No man comes to the father but by me No one goes to heaven but by me Jesus is saying Again I warn you to flee your ungodly affair that God sees as adultury when you stand before God you will not be able to have an excuse because of God's servant warned you that you were going to die and go to hell for sexual sin
Each person must study, and I mean study, 1 Corinthians 7 v 15 and allow Gods Spirit to speak. Don’t take any preachers word straight up......seek God’s will yourself. If you are a genuine believer then you too are indwelt with Gods Spirit. If you truly desire to do His will and not just live a comfortable life, then He will guide you. Divorce is not wrong in every situation, neither is remarriage. BUT it’s really necessary to be sure we understand which circumstances are allowed and if there is any doubt at all....don’t do it! If you proceed either way when you are doubting, then for you it is sin.
Right, each case is different. There is a biblical way to engage in conflict. Is not about the outcome but rather your willingness to choose the process on YOUR side of the relationship. That is all you can do. You CANNOT force anyone to be with you. God is not a rapist.
you need someone to try to convince you that adultery is not an option...so if you are married to a divorced person, you are in adultery, and as such, are risking your eternal life....
Jesus didn't say that "you are in adultery". That wasn't His point. Rather the point was to say that ending a marriage prematurely (divorce) causes one to commit adultery against their former spouse when they remarry (Mark 10:11). This way of committing adultery was the inadvertent consequence of conceding divorce (Matthew 19:8). It was NOT punished because it was unintentional. No "risking your eternal life" on that basis. Is "eternal life" not eternal according to your interpretation?
Husband was married to a divorced woman and then he divorced her. Then four years later we met and got married. I was very young in the Lord and was newly saved. Didn’t have godly clear discipleship in this. Afterwards we both realized we missed God. Repented. A pastor said God will require us to keep this marriage as unto God. But I do feel guilt at time still even though.even though I Know we are forgiven.
bdianes, “they” do not usually divorce. “She” usually does, 70% of the time. The abandoned spouse is no longer in bondage, Paul wrote. So stop binding them.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 Yes, "She" usually does because even though he left her for another woman, he didn't want to pay for a divorce to release her.
Well Pastor, in Ezra, in order to repent of their adulterous remarriages which were an abomination they DIVORCED! Please lead your congregation in Biblical TRUTH instead of appeasing them
Piper is a churchiosity parrot... giving false hope to deceived people! Vows don't establish a marriage; when a man takes the virginity of a virgin, he creates a marriage bond. (Ex 22, Dt 22)
I totally agree that all True Believers live a life of repentance it's just that your message came off like you could lose your salvation. And please point out in my message what was considered a doctrine of demons?
Sadly, that's why over the years I've had trouble with Piper...He's solid up to a point on an issue, then halfway through he turns and gets mushy on the issue. That's why I had quit listening to him.
My wife and I went through a rough start in our marriage and she is divorcing me because she believes it is in Gods will for us to divorce and she is with another man and she has twisted scripture to validate her beliefs. I pray every day for reconciliation and try my best to overcome evil with love and I believe God can work a miracle at any moment. If the divorce goes through, does that make me safe to remarry since I’m the one trying to keep the marriage alive?
I am quite in the same situation. My husband, a covert narcissist, has discarded me. He started an affair with the "Next" without even filing for divorce. She got pregnant and he didn't tell me until I heard it from rumors. I asked him if it is true and he confirmed it and I asked him if he will file for divorce (which would haven been the only right consequence) but he answered that he even had not thought about it. I asked him he wants to move together with the "Next" and his child and he said yes.... so I filed for divorce and am waiting for it. I had also waited several months for a reconciliation, prayed, tried to talk to him, asked for forgivenness... nothing. Now I wonder am I allowed to remarry? And if he marries the "NExt"? Am I still bound to him till I die? I cannot believe this.
@@enau.7635 the exception is fornication, which is not akin to adultery.....in that view, once a covenant has been established then there is no more exception.....which would mean that you are bound, as long as he lives....
@@philipbuckley759 fornication (greek: porneia) means every sexual activitiy outside marriage and this also includes adultery. And what if he re- marries..? Am I still bound to him...? If this would be the case, then I should wait for him to repent, leave his new wife and his child and get back to living with me again. This would cause new trauma to his new familiy. God would never want that! Can you undo a desaster and heal broken hearts by creating a new desaster and break new hearts?? No, this is complete absurditiy!! In Moses it is said that if a husband divorces his wife, and she marries another man, she can never get back to her first husband cause this is a abomination before God. What has been an abomination before God in the old testament is still an abomination before him today! And by the way, I got to know that he is cheating on his new parter now....! This is pretty sure, I have proof of it. So he IS cheating and fornicating continuously! But just to make it clear, I am not keen on remarrying as fast as possible. No.... actually being alone does not feel so bad. If God does not want me to marry someone else, so what? .. I will stay alone. I am fine with that. But I refuse the idea of being bound to a fornicator and adulterer!! Because if I was bound to him this would also mean that I - as I am still his wife - would have to submit myself to him! It is impossible that God does want me to submit myself to an abusive narcissist who does not love me but hates me from the bottom of his heart! .. who fornicates and cheats and messes up all around! This is absurditiy at all!
What if Satan has join the marriage together..My marriage was a marriage from Hell..Every sin was broken...I was 20 years old I did not no..not to divorce. I am so sad and sorry..after 30 years single..I remarried..God for give me..I don't want to go to Hell..
It's easier to blame the evil one despite having made choice to be married. Nowhere does scripture purports Satan involvement in marriage. Let's not give Satan any credence at all at all!! Now, if your original spouse is still alive and you got remarried, then you are living contrary to God's instructions. If your original spouse is dead, then you have been freed from the marital covenant. There is no way God can bless sin i.e. Adultery. Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 1 Samuel 15:22-24 🙏
John piper violates scripture. David killed Uriah and David knew he sinned. John the Baptist judged Herodias and said what he was doing was adultery and he needed to repent. Malachi 2:16 blows your whole statement out of the water. Also Romans 7:3 doesn't support your argument. The law is not done away but fulfilled by Jesus. No adulterer can enter the Kingdom. No new marriage can dissolve an existing covenant. If you have a point ,support it with scripture not emotions.
Jimmy B., West Gate is not stating that John Piper does not hold to the permanence view of marriage, West Gate is saying that it's unbiblical to believe that God recognizes 2nd and third marriages at all. With this view, if your covenant spouse is still living, all subsequent marriages are adulterous as long as you are living in them because God only recognizes the first covenant marriage... I'm a permanence view gal, but I'm on the fence about all subsequent marriages being a continual state of adultery...
Jimmy B. A covenant is a promise bound by Gods word....Malachi 2;16....Jesus didn't acknowledge the woman's at the wells marriage in John 4....He stated that you have had 5 husbands, and the one you are with is not your husband. Letting her know you are messing this marriage thing up. Also, letting her know that what water she is looking for can't be found in men but rather Jesus only. Marriage is hard, but it is covenant none the less.
Dear West Gate, Your position is not politically correct and the fact that your beliefs are based entirely on Scripture puts you at odds with the World.... Isn't that exactly what Jesus told His disciples? We simply must not base our theology on feelings or emotion, but on the NEVER CHANGING word of God. This is our only true moral compass and if we dismiss it we will surely be lost. Remarriage after divorce according to St. Mark chapter 10 is adultery... Those are the words written in red. We simply must trust the words of Jesus over the words of men. Perhaps if someone is lost in sin and gets a divorce and then remarries after conversion God will judge this in a different way than Christians divorcing Christians, BUT I'm not willing to offer anyone advice releasing them from the standards of the Bible as many Pastors do today... They do so at their own peril. God Bless You and Remain standing for the truth.
While in the beginning God's pattern for marriage was that it would be permanent but then sin entered the world and as we go into the old testament and even Jesus quoted that in the beginning it was God's design that it would be permanent but because of man's heart hardening people did get divorced. I am familiar with all the NT passages myself being a pastor of a church for many years and a Christian of 50 years this teacher does misquote some things e.g 1 Corinthians 7 where Paul has been asked a simple question which was asked by new Christians. They asked Paul if it was still ok to be married to an unbeliever or would God now want them to separate. Paul said no stay with it for the reasons that he explained. Sadly many preachers use this passage as an answer for all types of marriage and divorce situations but it can not be used in such a way. Here is not the time for a big teaching but nearly every video I watch on this teaching many even go on to say that if you got married again then you are an adulterer and the marriage should cease. Jesus was asked if a man can put away his wife for "any" reason, any being an important word here where Jesus goes on to refer to God's original intention before sin. Jesus said that adultery would allow a man or woman to divorce. We see King David commit adultery and God forgives him and we see many Christians divorce because sometimes people just don't get on with each other and the marriage fails. When two Christians separate it is a sinful deed just like any sin being no more or less than any sinful deed. When we are saved our sinful nature is changed and we have a new nature but we are still going to do at times a sinful deed and miss the mark because we are still in the flesh. God knows this and the bible says that when we miss the mark that God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This is the one truth that ALL these preachers fail to comfort the saints with that God forgives and when he does we are free to move on and marry again. Many preachers just make these laws and many now live confused about what God thinks and many left violent marriages or marriages that were so horrific that they could not stay. Does God then punish you for the rest of your life and make you live alone when he knows that he meets every human need through your husband or wife. No, no ,no, God is a God who forgives and allows us to move on but many say no he doesn't forgive divorce. Well then God doesn't forgive any sinful deed then. No God forgives and if you are reading this looking for answers because you are remarried or divorced know that God didn't want you to fail but if you confess to God that you missed the mark ( sinned) he is faithful to forgive and don't let anyone tell you otherwise because God's word is the authority and God forgives.
Ok, I have a question. I posted this on another video as well and haven’t received an answer. So, I am divorced. My ex had an affair. We tried to work it out but he kept doing it. He got remarried and has three other children (we have two together from our marriage). So, obviously our divorce was biblical. So, what I am hearing is that I can’t remarry? He cheated, is remarried and denies his faith but I am not to remarry? I don’t see how our just Lord would punish someone in my situation. That doesn’t make sense to me? Another question, if people are remarried and they hear that this makes them adulterers, what are they to do? Divorce is a sin so what can they do? Does God just not recognize that marriage? If so, where in the Bible does it say any of this? Anyone that had any helpful answers would be appreciated!
The best place to find your answers is in the written word of God because he will teach you *then* he will use man/men to confirm what he's teaching you other than seeking answers from man first then going God's word second. The word of God is very clear on that, may the Spirit of God teach you, he guides us into all truth. *John **16:13*
Read Matthew 5....where if one divorces, their spouse, with no fornication, and marries another.....it makes his spouse, the innocent partner, a victim of adultery...
@@philipbuckley759 so does that mean the victim of adultery is no longer bound and hence the victim is now allowed to remarry? Just trying to understand
Could the woman at the well's 5 husbands have died?OR some of them? ....However....even SO...it isnt WRITTEN that Jesus gave her instructions regarding what to do anout her marriage condition. Another thing that is said is to STAY in the position we were called IN 1Corinths 7:17...SO ....IF people were ALLREADY "seperated " would that mean to STAY seperated??
Mary Faithfull, no because a slave can buy his freedom if given the opportunity. He is no longer enslaved. He should be content either way. If a kid is saved at 14, he should never remarry and live with his parents forever? Using the slavery analogy, Paul writes that a person whose unbelieving wife or husband leaves is no longer in bondage. To the marriage. Period. A free slave is certainly free to enter another period of servitude with a new household. Or to sell his services however he wishes. That's what "no longer in bondage means." It means a person divorced from a sexually perverse spouse, or abandoned by an unbeliever, can remarry. The "no remarriage" doctrine is made up by cheaters, for cheaters.
West Gate, Ezra 10 is about marrying pagan wives. Unbelievers. That’s all it’s about. It literally doesn’t say anything about an unbelieving spouse leaving you or cheating and what happens next. But Paul does. He says you are no longer bound.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 I think you misinterpret the meaning of "bound'. Please read this article: www.christiancourier.com/articles/683-what-is-the-meaning-of-not-under-bondage-1-cor-7-15 I have done much research on this, as it applies to me. I would rather err on the side of caution than be in for a horrifyingly rude awakening when I face the Lord.
@@KJ-kn2ph I did what you did. if I error, I error on the side of staying single. Best advice I've heard on this subject is to not move forward with a remarriage unless God gives you the ok....
@@3n197 Yes, but it would have to be an undeniable OK from our Lord. Don't get me wrong - I am saddened to think that I will not know a touch, or a hug, or a kiss for THE REST OF MY LIFE. However, obedience to the Lord is of greater importance. Easier said than done.
You seem to have attempted to teach me that God makes some sort of special dispensation towards the commitment of adulterous second and beyond marriages. Dear sir before God sin is sin and that cannot be changed. There is adultery in remarriage of divorced people and God will not accept it. Listen to me please. God will not accept it. You skipped when you should have stood firm. The only way to stop that adulterous marriage is to dissolve it.
@@grateful1929 it does not change the teaching......adultery is adultery....if one wants to stay and pay the consequences, then what can any one else say...
So I stumbled upon this message due to the heartache that has gripped my life. My story is rather complicated but in a nutshell my wife was granted a divorce 16 years ago and at the time I was ready to give up the fight. Three years ago we tried reconciling our relationship and once again I allowed the devil into our lives to destroy our chance at remarrying. She has again left after I should have been and humble enough to make sure that this didn't happen. I would love to say that I don't long to once again belong, to give my heart to another but I'm not wired for that. I pray that the good Lord will have mercy on her and I and it is His well to once again and forever bring us together. If this is not the Lords will then I will more than likely spend my remaining years alone.
1:02:12 "Vows even when they are made unwisely, generally should be kept in the bible" He is WRONG about this. Leviticus 5:4-6 Or if a person swears thoughtlessly with his lips to do evil or to do good, in whatever matter a man may speak thoughtlessly with an oath, and it is hidden from him, and then he comes to know it, he will be guilty in one of these. 5 So it shall be when he becomes guilty in one of these, that he shall confess that in which he has sinned. 6 He shall also bring his guilt offering to the Lord for his sin which he has committed, a female from the flock, a lamb or a goat as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement on his behalf for his sin. His quoting of Psalm 15:4 is not an excuse for adultery. With this logic a homosexual can just swear a vow and it would be binding. God does not honor sin as binding. If sin is sin, every example is scripture is to run away from that sin. The women who was caught in the midst of adultery in John 8. Notice Jesus shows her grace and doesn't stone her as the Law commanded (the Law by the way that the Trinity put together). Yet it ends with "Go now and LEAVE your life of sin". Jesus doesn't take her place on the cross for her to continue in her adultery. So what would make us think what he calls adultery that would be acceptable to live in it? Piper is close to the truth but unwilling to pull the trigger on the reality of scripture. How would Piper advice a gay marriage when they come to Christ? They split. What about a man who married his sister? They should split What about a man with multiple wive? He should only have the first Why do we give tough love to other areas of sexual sin by abandon remarriage adultery? The early Church was in unanimous agreement that remarriage was not allowed and was sin. You couldn't be a part of a Church if you were remarried. It was considered adultery. It wasn't until Luther unfortunately believed that marriage was not something that was the church's business but handed it over to the state. As a protestant myself, we have lost the reality of what adultery is. Instead of sticking with the hard standing of truth despite a changing culture, we have caved into cultures sin and have accepted the divorced and remarried. His other point about the women at the well also made no sense to me. How does he know the previous 5 husbands didnt' die? He assumes she got divorced and remarried though the text doesn't say that.
Piper is close to the truth but unwilling to pull the trigger: 1) the spouse of a cheating or sexually immoral person is divorced. Period. A certificate of divorce specifically said "This person is free to remarry." You don't think God knows what a certificate of divorce is? And 2) returning to the original spouse after a remarriage is an abomination.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 1) So when Jesus says when you lust in your heart you have already committed adultery are we to conclude that basically every person is divorced? Also Jesus makes clear that anyone who marries a divorce person commits adultery. Therefore he doesn't believe the divorce is actually binding. 2). Old Covenant, and why was it an abomination? Because when a woman was divorced she was given back her dowry from the husband. If she married another man she would also get money from him. The first husband who is then interested in the free money from the other husband would want to remarry her and get all that inheritance. This is an abomination. God's heart is never for divorce, and if you are, you are not to get remarried.
You are wrong about homosexuals having to keep that vow. You cannot keep a marriage covenant between a man and a man or a woman and a woman because those do not fulfill a marriage covenant in God’s eyes. In God’s word a marriage is between a man and a woman.
You are wrong about the woman at the well. Read it in context, everyone agrees that she was an adulterous woman having five husbands and one man. That’s not a debated topic. Jesus gives two exceptions for divorce and remarriage. Getting divorced in these cases do not lead to sin. God who says He detests divorce gave these exceptions. So we have no right to put a millstone around believer’s neck when God has freed them from being enslaved in these cases
“"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE '; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” Matthew 5:31-32 NASB bible.com/100/mat.5.31-32.nasb I believe it's important to know all of what Jesus says about any subject and not only bits and pieces. Jesus clearly doesn't want anyone to divorce and God hates divorce, but Jesus also says "except for the reason of unchastity" or unfaithfulness. From what I understand the party who was cheated on is the innocent party and is allowed to divorce. Why? Because our hearts can be hard. “Jesus replied, "Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because your hearts are unyielding. But it wasn’t that way from the beginning. I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."” Matthew 19:8-9 CEB bible.com/37/mat.19.8-9.ceb Sexual unfaithfulness allows divorce although I'm sure Jesus would want the innocent party to forgive and the guilty party to stop and repent so the marriage could continue. It's important to tell the entirety of what is said.
the actual verse says fornication...which is sex before marriage ...... any unfaithfulness thereafter you are to show mercy as your heavenly father has shown you otherwise your sin also shall remain and your bridgroom shall depart from you
Jesus said if at all possible be like HIM. Single ! I've been married 4 times . Each about 10 years apart . #1 got hooked on meth and left me , #2 got a high paying job in Iraq and didnt come back home #3 was a good man and I was at fault and I still regret leaving #4 was a textbook narcicist and tried to destroy me and I gave my heart and soul to him, even over God I'm sad to say bc he had to be my God and nothing could be above this man . I guess I am an adulterer once out of the 4 marriages . Today I am single and happy for 4 years now ! I'm almost the woman at the well except 4 hudbands and I. Not living with a man and will not ! I'm very happy with Jesus as my husband
I'm only now coming to the realization that I'm going to spend the rest of my life celibate because my husband and I were divorced when I was only 19. I'm 53 now. He is remarried. I am not. Only this year I have come to Jesus and have been reading the bible. I can't put it down. I'm heartbroken and saddened to realize my sins over the years. This year was my awakening and I have been on my knees crying in prayer....to the point of anguish! I will give Him the rest of my life joyfully but to realize I have to live without a mate kinda makes me sad.....but it's not about me anymore. The scripture is very clear on this! By the grace of God I'm still here for the chance to stand holy before my heavenly Father! Brief versus eternal...remember that! I am so thankful for all we've been given. I'm still going through shock at this revelation though.....
God bless your heart I've been praying now for 23 years for an adulterous wife to repent and come back to the husband of her youth It is devastating even after 23 years But you are a great testimony to me Thanks
Regen Ducere
You are no longer bound. Besides,
and she leaves his house and goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3 and if the latter husband [b]turns against her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her to be his wife, 4 then her former husband who sent her away is not allowed to take her again to be his wife, since she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.
Robin Leslie God bless you! I am 55 myself and standing firm in my covenant (with the help of the Holy Spirit). Welcome to the kingdom of God!!
Robin Leslie PS check out the following two ministries: Covenant Keepers (www.ckministry.org) and Rejoice Marriage Ministries (www.rejoiceministries.org/) Both support those who stand for their covenant vows.
It's a hard pill to swallow
My wife of 43 years left I'm staying true to my marriage I will never stop loving her and pray for every day till death do us part thank you Jesus
Brother..it's true you will never stop loving her, even as I still love my wicked, demon possessed whoring, former wife who's remarried. Love never fails.
But HER love failed because she isn't born from above, born of love.
Let her go if you're certain she's "BECOME" one flesh with another!.......
....or SHE will defile you, if you have sex with her again.
Praying for you right now, God is with you
Amen
Kindly pray for every each of us..
Struggling in marriage, separated or divorce. We need grace! Pray for us please! Thank you
Once married, always married until death do us part, no exception. This applies to all human beings, regardless of whether you are a sinner or a saint.
If I had not divorced, my husband would have killed me.
Holy God, please restore your glorious standard of covenant keeping love to your people and your order of keeping covenant. The glorious role of bridegroom and covering!
Amen.
My husband just asked me to divorce after a bad argument over a small issue. (I said a lot of hurtful things and even pushed him). I regret it so much, i begged him for forgivenss but he does not believe i'm going to change. I want to be a new person in christ. I want to change and save my marriage. Please pray for me.
amen...
Demonstrate the "new person in christ" walk before your husband. God can use that to change your husbands heart. Blessings
COMPLETELY COMPLETLEY COMPLETELY SUBMIT to your Husband. Do what he tells you an life will be better. Don't ever look him in the eyes. Your Husband was made to DOMINATE YOU. DON'T TALK BACK TO HIM. TAKE WHATEVER MEDICINE HE GIVE YOU. BE AFRAID OF HIM.
Was your marriage saved, by God's grace?
@@bronxnyc9680 Scriptures to back up the nonsense you wrote??
We desperately need to come back to this mindset as unpopular as it is. Marriage is until death do we part. We need to take this seriously. Thanks John.
Are you married?
@@grateful1929 Yes I am.15 years strong, One wife man, No fornication before marriage for either of us. Checks clear :-)
@@SaanichtonMinistries I was married for 20 years. I thought we would grow old together. We were both born again. He fell away from Jesus and left me and his children for his mistress over 23 years ago. I cried for many years. He is still with his mistress but my children say he's very sad and regretful.i forgive him and pray for him. He turned his back on Jesus and me and our children.i remarried almost 8 years ago.
@@grateful1929May God help you and your partner ! I am afraid you did not remarry any one... you committed adultery like your departed husband and called it "remarriage" and went down to his level in sexual sin. You have set a poor example to your children who now think divorce and remarriage adultery vengeance is normal and justified when they get married one day and have a prooblem. You get one chance at family. Divorce and remarriage adultery does not work. I am sure if you have not found out already, you will find out in time. Maybe when your estate is frustrated with divisions of assets, maybe when disgruntled children wont visit you in a nursing home one day. Perhaps when a jealous X husband takes out your new adultery partner. We see this in broken families all the time. I invite you to scour my you tube channels where I have debunked false "exemption" clauses for divorce. I take a more hard line approach than Dr Piper. I am with David Pawson. It is 100% pure adultery to remarry after divorce and you are in danger of hell's fire to live in it perpetually without repentance. I don't care if you a pastor or an elder in some evangelical church and legalistically tithe 10%. WE NEED TO FEAR GOD again. 10 Virgins were called, only 5 made it! Like pilgrims progress, many will fall short on that day. I write this in all love because I deeply care about people caught up in the false teaching and have made it a focus to teach sound doctrine on this to every one who will hear. My own brother did the same thing and we are currently not on speaking terms. It is a sick divisive issue and there is no sugar coating it.
If God were like you. I would not want him. When/if your marriage breaks up. Please remember what you said to me and I'm sure many others. I pray you ask the Lord to forgive you. Goodbye sir!
man, this brought tears to my eyes, wonderful, and powerful preaching.
Wow, I was just speaking to The Lord this morning about this. It would hurt less to be a widow than to be divorced... ;(
This all seems very legalistic to me! I believe every word of scripture and realize God is holy but I believe Christ death on the cross is finished work and covers all sins. I realize God hates divorce! And I'm familiar with the gospel teachings concerning divorce. I recall the woman at the well having five husbands and Jesus forgave her! The woman caught in the act of adultery was faced with stoning and Jesus told her accusers that those without sin cast the first stone. In other words all those people holding stones had a legalistic mindset but couldn't live under it's application. Legalism is something you have to be careful of folks because you too can't live under it's application. To say someone who gets divorced because their spouses runs off with someone else should honor the marriage by staying lonely the rest of their days is an indirect reading of the gospel. If it's ok to remarry when a spouse passes, what about when the marriage itself dies?
We see dead marriages resurrect all the time that's why 1 cor 7 39 says remarriage is only allowed after death. Even if the spouse departs let him go becsuse how do you know if you will save your wife or husband? If you were free to remarry why would this verse refer to them as your wife or husband? 1 cor 7 is clear "if you leave remain unmarried." Jesus told the woman to "go and son no more" --- not continue in her adulterous marriage or fornication.
the marriage dies when one spouse dies its not very complicated people just want a do over if it doesnt go their way they want to have sex with someone else even though their spouse is still alive and they want God to say its ok and bless their union while making the other union null and void while everybody else actually keeps their promises
John the Baptist gave his life, for this very issue....why did he not say....hey....repent and keep on in your marriage.....the Bible does not seem to offer this option....
Thais Furnish divorce is like a double death.
Pain from marriage dying
Pain from spouses spiritual death
Well one wonderful sermon & truth often spares no feelings. A message of just How horribly fallen we are. Sin kills, destroys. & defiles everything in its path.
and how this speaker allows his emotions to override the teaching, of Scripture...
Understanding what the Bible REALLY says about divorce is almost impossible unless you're familiar with Hebrew terms and concepts absent in Christianity, such as 'Agunah'. Time and again, I've found that Christian pastors often miss the true teachings of the Bible on this topic. I highly recommend Dr. Eitan Bar's short book, "Christian and Divorced: What the Bible REALLY Says About Divorce & Remarriage." He is a Jewish-Christian fluent in Hebrew. After reading about 20 different books on the subject, this one stands out as the best. I was even an early reader of it.
All remarriages after the death of a spouse are considered valid, while all remarriages after the divorce of a spouse are deemed invalid. These two statements encompass the entirety of Jesus’ teachings on divorce and remarriage.
This is healing my heart.. (in tears😥) because I am in a long (40+) 2nd marriage. I have for some time realized the seriousness of marriage and have repented of those past horrible sins. And this marriage is put together with the glue that you cant disolve. My additude is now so different that even if death I would never wish to enter another marriage covenant. Not because its not beautiful...but because it is beautiful.
I guess you have not read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. If your first husband is still living, then you are an Adulterer regardless how much you pray and ask for forgiveness. You are actively living in sin. Tell me, how can God bless what He has called sin? True repentance means turning from our sinful ways and towards God.
@@sarcodiemiller386 so for someone who’s been married multiple times. Is that first spouse still their spouse in Gods eyes ?… if they are alive
@@sabianova4304 Yes, the person entered a marital covenant in words and in deeds before God, with that person, and in the presence of witnesses. Read Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 about vowing and the consequences thereof.
Also for someone who has been married multiple times, he/she clearly violated the commandment in Matthew 19:6 (They put asunder what God has joined). Romans 7 tells us how one is released from the marital covenant.
Amen. @@sarcodiemiller386
@@sarcodiemiller386 is adultery the unforgivable sin? Should they break multiple covenants? No they should stay as they are, when they came to faith.
I would rather be married but my wife decided to go. I’m single and I choose to be single. My job is to serve the Lord and be a full time dad! Any future relationships will be administered by the Lord. If anything this divorce has guided me closer to the Lord and the purity of my soul.
Amen
Amen brother! I had a similar situation. My first wife left me, and decided she wanted a divorce no matter how much I tried to reconcile with her. It is so vital to always make sure that the person you meet next is of the Lord. Take the time to pray about it, and ask the Lord to show you red flags if you start seeing things.
You never know, she could come back as Hosea's wife?
@@jrcook80 my first wife....and your Biblical reason for remarrying is....
@@philipbuckley759 That is between him and God. Not you.
you define a sin....but then say it is ok to live in it....makes no sense, to me....remember that you will have a responsibility for allowing people to live in sin...
I've never been married. and there are alot of divorced women. so to stay safe, wrong or right, I keep hearing different answers. I'm never getting married.
disciple duSeigneur I am 45. most women my age have already been divorced atleast once. I'm not getting married. but thank you for the help.
@@charlesdavis161 yup I know the feeling....a woman will speak for less than 30 seconds before she disqualifies....herself as being a potential marriage option….
I thank you Lord for answering my cries for help! Thank you. 🙏🙏🙏
A vow does not establish a marriage. When a man takes a female's virginity, he makes a marriage bond with her (Ex 22, Dt 22)
Divorce and remarriage is adultery and the second marriage must end. This Pastor is going to send many to hell
If you listen to all Piper’s video on “Divorce and Remarriage” you will hear that Piper’s commentary is the exact opposite of what Paul and Jesus had to say about divorce and remarriage, especial at timeline (57:52 through 1:06)
John Piper states that when a new covenant is made, no matter if it’s your 2,3,4th marriage, you should honor that 4th marriage as a new covenant and that it is purified before God. (so lets just give the word “covenant” a worldly definition shall we).
Piper is interpreting the story with the woman at the well as a modern-day excuse to have 5 husbands. Under the Mosaic Law yes, but now Jesus says "it has been said (Mosaic Law)" as opposed to "but I say to you." (from the beginning it was not so) Mat 19:8.
Because of the hardness of Men’s hearts Moses gave protection to the woman to be married again as she had no other means to support herself after being divorced and removed from the house. The Mosaic law permitted her to marry again but not go back to a previous husband.
Piper furthermore says at timeline 59:11 I think that a couple who “repents” and seeks God’s forgiveness should not think of their marriage as ongoing adultery.
Well then, I have some good news for all my homosexual friends who want to stay in their relationships all the while considering themselves Christians even holding down leadership positions in the church. If repentance means I can feed my old nature and thus God forgives me then why should I come out of it?
Oh, but some Christian circles say that being married multiple times and homosexuality is not the same. God will forgive my multiple marriages but not same sex marriages. Go figure?
and i was enjoying his teaching so much on this video, until i read your comments, thanks for the heads up, very worrying teaching indeed from john piper
@@debbieann3883 Thx, I'm reminded of Mat 5 the example that Jesus gives in goes contrary to what many have formulated regarding repentance. In this passage Jesus firmly ties the actions of the eye, and the hand, needing to be “cut off” in order to gain entrance in the kingdom of God.
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
In this story we have the lust of the eye and the actions of the hand, both represent sin and needing to be severed. It amazes me so-called Christians living in adulterous remarriages think they are excused form actual repentance. Go-figure.
@@heymichaelc amen. People are gnashing their teeth in order to keep their second "wives" and will not search the scriptures for the truth. Very few pastors teach on remarriage is adultery but jesus is so clear that ONLY death is the exception clause.
Thank you for sharing the TRUTH of GOD’s Word. A little leaven spoils the entire lump. John’s mixture of truth & opinion = false doctrine. All throughout Scripture, JESUS was clear on this matter. No need for private interpretation, HE made it plain for all to hear. Everywhere else HE spoke in parables indicative of the fact that this topic/matter transcends the Church. In other words, HE wanted ALL to know the TRUTH regarding marriage, divorce & remarriage, despite their beliefs.
@@heymichaelc ua-cam.com/video/TSctWjChhVA/v-deo.html
A second vow does not annull the first vow. As born again Christians we know what repentance means so why does it change its meaning when it comes to remarriage ..
What is the use of stressing on the sanctity of marriage to bring it all down with using the excuse of having made a second vow.
@chad fibregel@ gmail.com That's right Jesus said we must hate our life to follow him.
Sleeping with the next spouse when there is an unbiblical divorce is adultery, and adultery breaks the marriage covenant.
@@palee8928 Then it wasnot a covenant to begin with. It was only a contract and that is nit marriage according to the Bible.
Because people want what people want regardless of what God wants. People feel entitled.
@@palee8928If that is your logic to justify divorce or just plain adultery, I would hate to be in your shoes on Judgment Day...
the only two options for the divorced are to....remain single, or reconcille....so if one can not do the second, one can do the first....remain single....
That was the only options given for that particular circumstance. Paul addresses a number of different circumstances Philip.
@@nealdoster8556 huh
@@philipbuckley759 Try interpreting both Jesus' and Paul's teaching from the Biblical precedents from which they refer and then realize that Paul speaks to a circumstance in verses 12-15 of 1 Corinthians not addressed before. "But to the rest" is directly different then those Paul had already addressed, understand?
There is NO one size fits all rule in Paul's teaching Philip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1cor 7, paul makes it clear, it wasn't his opinion but the lord's, remarrying after divorce when the spouse still lives it's adultery
@@nealdoster8556Twist it any way you like... It is what it is.
It is not legalistic..Please folks..have mercy on your spouse..I have lived it. I divorced my husband 23 years ago. I had in man's eyes legitimate reason to do so. Arguments had eroded to violence and I let in-laws rip us apart. My husband and I are back together after 23 years. Complete and total misery is to destroy what God has built. In my case, I nearly destroyed my family beyond repair. DO NOT DIVORCE..because marriage among Christians is truly about just what he said, which is "to tell the TRUTH about the gospel".
Lauren Todd : agreed for godly covenant marriage where prayer repentance intercesdiom bring reconciliation 👐💕
Hallellujah Lauren!!!!
my wife divorced me 3.5 years ago and has found someone she is living with in sin. She is not even going to marry the man ...I don't know but I decided then to remain unmarried and sexually pure, even if it means living alone for the rest of my life . God bless you for your testimony
@@randypotteiger5214 Please don't receive what the person said that makes God more crueler than ur wife that's not biblical sound at all first God is not cruel at all and if u believe that God can keep u He will and weather you believe it or not God is a keeper. Yes you wife is living in sin. Pray for her and move on and id you want her back and she wants it too God will bring y'all back together but He must be First.
@@randypotteiger5214 temporal loss, vs eternal gains.....
I never thought I would have to go through this... Thought my parents were happy this entire time... Then my mom tells me shes not happy with her marriage and that she has not been for a long time. I never been depressed ever but now i can feel it. I'm gone
joey453389, well, if your dad didn’t cheat, he can remarry. Hope you’re ready for that.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 whoever marries one that has been divorced commits adultery....so no remarriage...
I pray for peace for you all. A person comes on here bearing their heart and they have to listen to this type of thing. Love and kindness are fruits of the Spirit.
If your mother is christian, she needs to go to the scriptures. Our reason to be happy should be Christ, not her husband. She must pray God to hive her strength and will, to remain in her marriage.
@@Three721What do you mean?
Please read “Till death do us part?” By Joseph Webb for an in depth scripturally sound analysis to so many questions about divorce
I just bought it , it's good
I just bought this book. It has opened my eyes so much
Thank you. I needed to hear this.
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It's not about our view, if a second marriage is considered as adultery, when one repents, does one continue sinning coz they repented? So the only way not to continue in sin is divorce. Adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God
Makes No sense to call remarriage sanctified. how can adultery be sanctified. It Can Not. Jesus said if they remarry, they are committing adultery. No way would God condone it. How could some one return to their spouse, if they can stay in an adulterous marriage?
John the Baptist, preached that Herod could not be married to his brothers wife.
There was polygamy in Israel in the OT (before the Law of Moises) and God never rebuked it because they were living outside of the Law. The gentiles were also living outside of the Law. They can't undone what they did in the past if it's going to dishonour their current marriage which is now sanctified by their conversion (1Corinthians 7:14). They have to repent for their unholy covenants and honour their current marriage. I'm single, so this issue doesn't affect me. I'm just trying to find the truth.
Thank you Christian Girl for your quest for the truth in this issue, I am divorced, I was an unbeliever when we married I was born again during our marriage through the tough situation with my ex- parents in law especially the mother in law. Anyway after 21 Years it escalated and my ex husband sent me away and filed divorce 6 months later. I did not hear from the Lord to consent to divorce I just separated and believed and hoped for him to repent and be saved and be reconciled to me. But Alas two years after our separating during the pending court case he slept with another woman then I knew God said let go of him and consent to the divorce. it was devastating and as John Piper discribes it a very deep pain..... it took me 10 Years to receive healing and wholeness through my Lord and Saviour and then I was put in a situation into deep temptations drawn to another unbeliever a man who was my mentor and work mate at my new job place (thank God I knew he was in a relationship and that there is no chance of us coming together ever so I struggled and resisted with fasting anguish and prayers almost four years, when GOD set me free from all those desires. It took almost dying resisting unto death to overcome this. I still am not remarried but my heavenly FATHER has filled this void place with HIS love and a very satisfying task. I live for HIM in HIM and through HIM. Praise GOD. Whether HE has someone for me or not I am perfectly content with what HE has given me in HIM to do.
I agree...when he brings up the woman at Jacobs well....I didn't agree with what he said about it....if you read the chapter, you would understand that the ONLY reason why Jesus brought up the 5 husband's was to show her that He was the Messiah by revealing He knew about all of her actions that she has done here on Earth prior to meeting Him.. ...doesn't necessarily mean He accepted those marriages or blessed them...He was just acknowledging HER actions to help her realize WHO HE WAS and she guessed right after that He was a prophet then He told her.... And the word ADULTERY means sexual relations between a spouse and a person OUTSIDE of marriage....sooo.... If God saw and accepted 2nd 3rd 4th marriages which also means they are "spouses within said marriages" .... How is it adultery???? It's adultery because the only marriage COVENANT God sees and accepts is the first one HE PUT TOGETHER!!! He said no man shall separate!!!! That would include the man made civil laws, no judge in a courtroom, no lawyer or any human cannot break what HE PUT TOGETHER... ONLY HE CAN BREAK IT!!!! He gives the only exception and that's if only the woman was unfaithful, then the man can divorce and put away His wife.
Jesus gives an exception for remarriege.
Because it isn't adultery when there is lawful divorce. A divorced person (one who divorced because of spousal pornea) doesn't have a husband or wife. If you don't have a husband or wife, you aren't committing adultery. Just like a person whose unbelieving spouse leaves is NO LONGER IN BONDAGE.
Hosea was commanded to take a wife who would become a prostitute. After Gomer left Hosea, God came a second time to Hosea and told the prophet to take his wife back: “The Lord said to me, ‘Go again, love a woman who is loved by another man and is an adulteress’” (Hosea 3:1). In obedience to God’s command, Hosea went and bought her for “fifteen shekels of silver, a homer of barley, and a lethech of barley” (Hosea 3:2).
That is true but she wasn't married. She was a prostitute which is different.
Good Tree Ministries, she was an adulteress living in pornea, which is the same.
So you're implying that it's okay to marry a prostitute but not a woman whose husband slept with some? I see.
Understanding 1 Corinthians 7:39 within context.
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Where does the idea of indissoluble marriage come from? That supposition comes from pastors who suggest an isolated interpretation of 1 Cor. 7:39 and Romans 7:2,3. Some of these pastors formed the Permanence of Marriage Movement. An organization that any Christian would want to be a part of if not for false suppositions in their teaching. There are a few biblical passages these men (and women) count on for their convictions. We are to believe that the whole of scripture which speaks of divorce and remarriage as effective must be understood with their interpretation of these passages. We must ignore the context and except their interpretation. This is a way to reprogram your thinking about those verses. Which is what happens to those who follow the false suppositions of these Teachers.
The Bible never makes the argument that divorced and remarried individuals are “still married to their original spouse.” That’s not what Jesus or Paul or any other biblical author claimed. The idea of “indissoluble marriage” is a false supposition imposed on scripture by isolating 1 Cor. 7:39 and Romans 7:3 from there context. Divorce and remarriage are spoken of in scripture as effective events. Therefore divorce effects a divorce or the status of being UNMARRIED as the Apostle Paul himself explicitly states in 1 Cor. 7:11.
In context 1 Cor. 7:39 is addressing virgins. Paul has already addressed the previously married (v. 8,9) and the presently married (10). He now addresses those never married, those who anticipate marriage. Paul has a change of address in verse 25 of 1 Cor. 7 “Now concerning virgins” and he ends in verse 39 stating the general principle God ordained for MARRIED women.
Contextually verses 34 and 35 are extremely important for understanding verse 39. That’s because Paul wants virgins to consider the freedom singleness offers verses a lifetime obligation to a husband. If you miss that point you’ll be susceptible to believe a re-contextualizing of the text. There is nothing in 1 Cor. 7:39 that says a UNMARRIED woman is bound to her former husband as long as he lives. That is a false supposition imposed on that verse as well as Romans 7:2.
One should note that Paul in verses 25 through 40 is addressing singleness over against marriage and is not claiming that only physical death can end a marriage, that’s not the context. Rather, Paul is reminding the virgin that marriage imposes a lifetime obligation. He wants her (as well as a man) to consider the option of singleness. Singleness provides more freedom to serve Christ than a MARRIED WOMAN who is under the dominion of her husband, the contingency of divorce is NOT under discussion. In this text we should understand Paul to be speaking to virgins about the obligations they will experience if MARRIED.
“Bound” is in reference to the obligation set forth “by the law.” “bound” speaks to the status of a MARRIED WOMAN under the dominion of her husband. This section of scripture reminds those who are considering marriage the extra obligations of marriage. Paul reminds the virgin the obligation she will be under IF MARRIED. Therefore she will not have the liberty of singleness, rather she will be under more obligations as a MARRIED woman. It specifically reminds the virgin if she marries she will be under the dominion of her husband until his death. The CONTEXT is about singleness offering more liberty to serve Christ then those with the dual responsibility of having a spouse, understand?
Conversely the text does not address the contingency of divorce. Paul is not promising a virgin that her husband will never divorce her. Nor does he say a divorced woman is still married to her former husband. Those are false suppositions imposed on this text, understand? Paul has already explicitly stated that a divorced woman is UNMARRIED (v.11).
Marriage has inherent principles so marriage imposes law, law imposes bondage, but the law nor the bondage can maintain a marriage. In other words the people involved are responsible for doing that, the law does not fulfill the obligation for them. What you must understand about this “law” is that it is an age old principle in marriage that dates back to the garden of Eden or the origin of marriage itself, but like all laws it is not inviolable. Again law does NOT fulfill the obligation for the individuals it merely sets the obligation forth, understand? So if Christians want to talk about divorce they should look to biblical precedents for answers and NOT FALSE suppositions impose into a text.
All through the Old Testament divorce rendered one UNMARRIED. That reality did not change in the New Testament as Paul affirms in 1 Corinthians 7:11. Also “divorce” and “marry another” as spoken by Christ meant a divorced woman was unmarried and then married to someone else. The explicit language means that one marriage ended and another one was constituted.
While the bible reveals the inadvertent consequences of divorced and remarriage, it always speaks of those events as effective. In other words there is nothing in 1 Cor. 7:39 that says a married woman can’t be unmarried or a divorced woman is “still married” to her former husband. Those are false suppositions imposed on that verse as well as Romans 7:2.
If Christians want to know how divorce affects inherent laws of marriage they should look to Moses, Jesus and Paul’s teaching. All three representatives of God reveal to us the consequence of ending a marriage, but they never teach that marriage cannot end. It is one thing to say what happens by prematurely ending a marriage, it’s quite another to claim the marriage can’t end.
have you written a book.....where did you come up with the term supposition....
so in plain text encapsulate your view on this subject....
@@philipbuckley759 Grace to you Philip
In God's Word divorce terminates one marriage and remarriage constitutes another. The end result is it causes one to commit adultery against their former spouse (Mark 10:11) because that marriage set forth the obligation of lifetime fidelity (to each the other) which is inadvertently violated by the present obligation as husband and wife.
In other words the exclusive obligation established by the first marriage of "forsaking all others and keeping only unto thyself" is inadvertently violated by ending one marriage and constituting another.
While the bible reveals there is a consequence for prematurely ending a marriage it NEVER claims that divorce or remarriage is ineffective. Those remarried were obligated to their present spouse and NOT their former. Telling them to divorce their present spouse causes them to sin because they default on present marital obligations as husband and wife. Blessings
Finally someone who knows what they’re talking about!!! I’ve learned a lot from your comment. I didn’t even recognize that 1 Cor 7:39 was talking about virgins! Yes, That’s the context! And I just realized when you mention the wife being divorced is “unmarried.” Didn’t even notice that before.
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So what is your view on this? Do you believe there are two exceptions for divorce as Jesus gave? Is it biblical to divorce and remarry in these cases?
So if I understand you correctly, adultery happens because of a new covenant of marriage stops one from committing to the 1st covenant right? Not necessarily because of the sleeping with the new spouse.?
Also what do you understand would be examples of a unbelieving spouse deserting a believing spouse. Would beating someone half to death, or trying to kill them, or just leaving and living their life somewhere else count as desertion?
And also are Christians who remarried in an unbiblical manner perpetually sinning and headed to hell? Or is the “adultery” mentioned in this topic a one time sin when they remarried?
@@palee8928 Grace to you Pa Lee
You ask, "So what is your view on this? Do you believe there are two exceptions for divorce as Jesus gave? Is it biblical to divorce and remarry in these cases?"
The following will be my view. But first I'll say that I followed the "two exceptions" for most of my life. But now I see Jesus' teaching to be for a different purpose and much more simpler to understand if you don't get caught up in "reasons".
The traditional argument in which your questions are asked assumes that Jesus was answering the Pharisees question about "lawful grounds for divorce" (Matthew 19:3). Trying to answer those questions keeps you from understanding the simplicity of Jesus' response.
Jesus instead choose to reveal what conceding divorce (in biblical history) causes for the next marriage. The right question in understanding Jesus' teaching on the matter is, Can conceding divorce where remarriage was graciously allowed yield "fidelity to one person for life"?
The question the Pharisees ask is actually a "curve ball" to be avoided. That's because Jesus is NOT actually answering their question, He's revealing that allowing marriages to end before death (divorce) carries a consequence for the next marriage. After the biblical divorce concession there was an unintentional unfaithfulness that followed because the first marriage was not sustained. STOP!!. Do you get that?
That was what Jesus wanted to get across to them.
In CONTEXT to Jesus teaching He is explaining something to Israel about divorce they had failed to perceive. Allowing marriages to end before death where remarriage was permitted under the law (Deuteronomy 24:2) does not maintain the sexual exclusivity of the relationship ordained for marriage in the origin (Matthew 19:4-6, 8b). There is an inadvertent transgression of "fidelity for life" caused by the process.
Jesus states, "Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:8). Jesus is contrasting divorce conceded over against God's created design for marriage, understand?
The simple point Jesus made was that divorce in the origin did not exist because in the beginning marriage was created for life. In that relationship sexual intimacy was exclusive to each the other for a life time, do you see that?
In order to understand Jesus' actual response you must begin with that fact. Hundreds of years later divorce was conceded under the law, causing the catch 22 Christians now grapple with. A true paradox to be embraced, not discarded!!!
So in principle, if in God's design for marriage husband and wife are to be sexually exclusive to each the other for life, what occurs when the first marriage ends prematurely and another marriage is graciously and lawfully allowed?
Is sexual exclusivity set forth by (the first) marriage maintained?
Well the answer to that question is that "the fidelity for life principle" is unintentionally transgressed. Thus causing the inadvertent adultery Jesus described.
This way of committing adultery was not made an issue of or punished BECAUSE it was not intentional. Jesus is merely making a counter argument against divorce for those who wanted to know all the reasons the law allowed for it (Matthew 19:3). The key to understanding Jesus' teaching on divorce is in understanding that He did NOT actually answer the Pharisees question about "grounds". Rather He circumvented that question and instead revealed the consequence that ensues from a marriage NOT being sustained.
There is no win win in divorce. We as Christians must accept that fact. Even those women who were divorced by their husbands throughout the time period to which Jesus refers were caused to commit adultery when they lawfully remarried (Matthew 5:32). Fortunately Jesus also reveals that He held the husband (who did the divorcing) culpable for causing her to commit adultery this way.
You ask, "So if I understand you correctly, adultery happens because of a new covenant of marriage stops one from committing to the 1st covenant right? Not necessarily because of the sleeping with the new spouse.?"
The answer to those questions are not either/or but rather a both/and, understand?
Although the adultery happens within the second marriage, it was staged by the former husband releasing his wife with the right of remarriage (Deuteronomy 24:2). Divorce conceded and remarriage graciously allowed cannot yield fidelity for life (to one person) as God designed marriage to be. We MUST accept this dilemma, while NOT going over the deep end like Pastors and Teachers who create a new narrative for understanding Jesus' teaching on this issue.
Their position has a number of false suppositions added to Jesus' teaching. One of those suppositions claims that Jesus "abrogated" the law of Moses. Supposedly, Jesus meant to prohibit remarriage and now equates it as the adultery. You might have notice this in their refrain "remarriage is adultery". A common but false misnomer.
Their position (unlike Jesus') becomes an attack on marriage after divorce. Jesus' teaching on the other hand was NOT an attack on remarriage, but rather to reveal that divorce is what stages this way of committing adultery. Think about it, if the first marriage was sustained, this way of committing adultery would not occur, right?
The underlining thought to Jesus' teaching is this. Terminating a marriage before death (where remarriage was allowed) transfers the obligations of intimacy (sleeping with the new spouse) to the present marriage which then (inadvertently) violates the obligation of being one-flesh with one person for life, set forth by the first marriage (Matthew 19:4-6, 8b).
Jesus is explaining from Israel's history that when one marriage ends and another constituted, sexual exclusivity is transgressed in the process. Thus the inadvertent adultery Jesus described. It really is that simple, minus all the false suppositions added to Jesus' teaching by those who want those remarried after divorce to believe they are "not actually divorced" and "still married to their first spouse in God's eyes".
Christians MUST not follow an exaggerated view based in false suppositions where fear becomes the prime motivator and NOT TRUTH.
You ask. "Also what do you understand would be examples of a unbelieving spouse deserting a believing spouse. Would beating someone half to death, or trying to kill them, or just leaving and living their life somewhere else count as desertion?"
The context for Paul's teaching in verses 12-15 of 1 Corinthians is about an unbeliever repudiating their marriage to a believer. So if they don't want to maintain the marriage, the believer is no longer under bondage or set free from all obligations.
You ask, "And also are Christians who remarried in an unbiblical manner perpetually sinning and headed to hell? Or is the “adultery” mentioned in this topic a one time sin when they remarried?"
Remember the adultery is NOT happening because the people involved are "still married to their first spouse" (as postulated by the exaggerated view), but rather because they did not maintain sexual exclusivity. This is a one time transgression of God's creative design for marriage (predicated in the origin) and NOT based in the law itself. Two different ways of committing adultery where one is inadvertent and the other intentional. There is NO "perpetually sinning and headed to hell" for this way of committing adultery in God's Word.
Blessings Pa Lee
I don’t think you can successfully argue both ways as John Piper does. Remarriage is wrong... but keep your second marriage vows. He deifys all marriage ceremonies... but invalidates all divorce. He draws the hardest of lines.... then smoothes it over for those who’ve broken their covenants. This is almost worse than those who deny the truth entirely.
Even I saw that and I'm a female Amen brother
Kevin Crotty great comment Brother 👍
amen....to your statement...
I think i finally get it. Everything points BACK to the Gospel the perfect work that WE can’t do. We will try to obey try to be like Christ but we always fall short. Jesus covers every single Imperfect thing in us. ❤
Willfully sinning once one knows the truth because they know that God will cover it is a sin in and of itself called a presumptive sin. Not good.
My mind on marriage and loving has been renewed. Amazing sermon.
NO REMARRIAGE YOU are deluded if you do
@@regenducere8744 You know I agree with you no remarriage. I do struggle with this though. King David repented of his sin and was able to keep the woman because he killed her husband...It's like well if I kill my ex I can remarry and repent of the sin and be better off than I would be if I did not kill the ex....Very deep stuff...
@@3n197 Sometimes I wish mine would just die and go on to Hell so I can be free but that's not CHRIST. IF I killed her I would never repent and go t
o HELL too. So, I have to love her enough to pray for our restoration and if she NEVER does then at least I will be in heaven and she would burn in HELL EVEN!! lol
@@regenducere8744 woe!!
@@3n197 this idea floats around....so you commit one sin, to avoid another one.....your cure is worse than the disease....
John piper destroyed his own sermon when he says people in second marriages should not divorce, for this point he has denied the instructions of Christ. Divorce, remain single or reconcile. Second marriage is not even considered marriage, its adultery, how do you end adultery, you get out of second marriage period.
I'm afraid his teaching isn't biblical here. The "new marriage" (when your spouse hasn't died) isn't a true marriage, but an adulterous affair, and one must repent from adultery... Otherwise it would be the same as teaching that once you commit a certain sin for the first time it's not ok, but if you continue commiting the act to glorify Christ (!) the best and deepest way it is possible for you in that special situation, then it's ok to continue doing the act. Like, if you do sin well then it stops being a sin???
Johanna040713, nice. Of course, the Bible says that nowhere and, in fact, says the opposite ... but okay.
Johanna040713 Right. Jesus said the new marriage (when the first spouse lives), is adultry. So how can the adultry continue and be ok? Marriage is until death or Jesus would not call the second marriage adultry in the first place. If the first is still alive THAT is the spouse even if a man or woman at the courthouse signed a paper saying otherwise. I am pretty sure Jesus is wise enough to know. But so many listen to preachers instead of what Jesus said. It is astonishing that the preacher says the opposite of what Jesus said. I think it is just to keep the congregation happy.
Divorce does not actually equal single if the divorced spouse still lives. Jesus said the two become one until death. So that is the truth. I am divorced as far as paperwork says. But as far as Jesus says I am bound to keep myself from others as long as my first spouse lives. Should I be coddled by the minister and told the opposite of what Jesus said...for the sake of my happiness? NO! Because I do not want to live in adultry! I want to live according to what Jesus says.
AestheticEmotionGHL I’m confused. It seems like from the Bible men are allowed to have more than one wife?
@@Amber_Aviva how is that.....
I thank John Piper for his initial teaching and red flags on this issue.
I have learned to love and appreciate Dr Piper. I heard John on his
points here, and considered them carefully, but this position he is
talking is away from goodness. Let me explain. When you dig for excuses
to justify divorced and remarried people as being in sound, good moral
plights because “they made a promise to commit adultery” it does not add
up. It is adultery or it is not. Period. Hold the battle lines John! Do
not waver. Remember God is perfect and holy. With the above teaching,
you just opened up the flood doors for divorce and remarriage once
again! Some people thinking of switching up partners may have paused at
your initial teaching, then proceeded to divorce and remarry when they
got to your position here. “Oh yes tickle my ears more, I just
commit adultery once, can get grace, and be totally acceptable and not
adulterated.” I will keep my promise to be in adultery?
An adulterous remarriage could be nullified as sin, in order to seek to
obey, and please the Lord is my take. I mean think of the scandalous
drive though weddings, adulterers can get in a Las Vagus chapel in less
than 5 minutes or the like. Would Piper say, a man should maintain that
marriage instead of going back to his faithful wife and 5 kids who are
waiting and praying he comes home? God forbid! From a biblical point of
view, remarriage is not “Marriage” at all even as we term it as such. It
is 100% sinful, vain adultery. It is not certifiable and is totally
illegitimate as Jesus confirmed.
So a couple can take liberty to go ahead and get “remarried,“ but they
hit a brick wall and dead end in the process. The brick-wall called
adultery. The Lord Jesus is warning his followers to not get into
remarriage situations or they will indeed be committing adultery. No
Christian in their right mind would want a marriage that has the title
of adultery on it. So Jesus is basically saying do not do it. It is
mainly to PREVENT people from entertaining this sick pathway in the
first place. Notice He is talking it future tense seemingly as well? The
countless sinners who live in this plight would be best to not hold
their heads high and say “ I am Ok with this and without sin.” They are
best to assume they are sinners, stuck with an adulterated relationship
and can teach others not to follow their example.
They should have humility as they seek grace and mercy. This is a much
safer position. Those in bondage to adultery could include adulterated
marriages who have produced babies and other serious obligations.
Understand sexual sin; When your go so far with sin, there is a “point
of no return.” A virgin cannot get her virginity back once she makes a
sinful choice to give in to a male who is advancing. So Sin, like
cancer, can get to a point where surgical interventions, or treatments
are not practical. And there are no clear answers! So with remarriage
adultery. Some cases we have no clear answers, but to see it as sin.
It has invaded the whole body and there is no longer hope. There is the
prospect to get ready to face pain and death for these patients. It is
too late. Intervention was not done soon enough. Can we see the
parallel? Where is the hope for an adulterated family? For kids and
children who are defiled by th adultery their proud parents chose? But
as believers, nothing is impossible. We fear not and trust in the Lord.
I have a verse ....”God will judge the whore-monger and the adulterer.” That verse is found in the
NT, age of grace, not the OT. I have studied this issue for about a year
and have lost friends in the process of taking this no divorce
remarriage position. But I am perfectly OK with that. I will always
choose the Gospel over any union or religious sect. My own marriage has
thrived over taking this no divorce and remarriage position as we now
see ourselves as inseparable, in mutually agreed bounds l, but by death.
Our marriage thrives with laughter and the kids are happy too! Those in
remarriage adultery are not necessarily going to the fires of hell, God
grace is amazing. But they are in adultery. We must make that clear,
because that is what the Bible says.
May God bless us as we try and fight this wildfire of divorce and remarriage adultery spreading
EF2000CanFly I have also been studied this issue and I have realized that many people they read what they believe instead of believing what they read.Many teachers have given up to the true teachings and find ways to defend or redefine.The devil is a liar
@Kevin Hillier as long as you are....married.....
I agree with you.
Please may I know you more.
What God has joined together, Let not man separate Part 2 begins around 49:00 (his tie colour changes)
Please use scripture correctly, God does not join every marriage together to begin with. If the marriage is physically, emotionally, and sexually dead, their is no one flesh. That's called abandonment.
@@ronpolson6981 if you were true, then at conversion one would have to separate, or remarry.....er....this does not happen....so, by default one may assume that any one is acceptable....
Yes
Remarriage is not scriptural for any reason except after the death of one’s spouse. Even if one spouse is guilty of sexual immorality. The exception clause is stated ONLY for the question of divorce, NOT remarriage. Plus Jesus was answering their question in regards to Moses’ law, not Christianity. Paul states in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 that separation or reconciliation are the only two options because you are BOUND TILL DEATH, 1 Corinthians 7:39, Romans 7:1-3.
Remarriage is not part of God’s plan for forgiveness, reconciliation, or redemption.
Remarriage, if your spouse is still living, is done purely out of fleshly and worldly desires. Reconciliation is God’s will and perfect plan, not remarriage!
kjv uses the term is not bound, bound to stay married and can choose either to stay married or single.
And can remarry in cases of abandonment. Listen to John McArthur on this subject. Piper says it’s wrong but tells his remarried congregation that not to divorce, stay in it. So what is ? If sin then he’s telling them to stay in it? Why? Piper did this because he had to get on one side or the other. This is not as black and white as he puts it. It’s a legalistic stance . Maybe go back and read The Heart of God. We were made for relationship, not singleness. An abandoned spouse is innocent unless one was an abuser and the abused had to leave. So the abused now is condemned ? Chip Ingram married a woman who came from an abusive marriage. He adopted her children and they’re married no for many years and he’s an incredible expositor of the word. We have to show grace here because that’s exactly what Jesus Christ does and always has. Where divorce is allowed remarriage is. Strongly disagree with Piper but still honor him. We can do that.
not enslaved.....
@@bprathe3205 being abandoned is not a Bible reason, for divorce and remarriage...
First I have studied this subject out with much prayer.
Second,
The Scripture teaches that one can separate.
This is know as the law of separation found in:
1 Corinthians 7:15 KJV
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Here is where most get the idea that they are free to remarry but all it says is >[IF]< they leave let them because God doesn't want you arguing or fighting.
Third,
If you do get a divorce you are to remain unmarried or be reconciled to your spouse because only death breaks the covenant of marriage. This is evident because an adulterer would have been stoned to death if found out.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:39 KJV
The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Romans 7:2-3 KJV
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Fourth,
Jesus said
Mark 10:11-12 KJV
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18 KJV
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Fifth,
When Paul says
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 KJV
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
The unmarried are not the divorced. They are people who have never had a spouse or ones that no longer have a living spouse because only death breaks the covenant. This is the reason widows are also spoken of.
Sixth,
The Apostles had trouble with this doctrine and after Jesus told the Pharisees what God's original purpose was, they asked him in private.
Read Mark 10:10-12 after Mark 10:2-9
Mark 10:2-9 KJV
And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mark 10:10-12 KJV
And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
As you can plainly see, Jesus clarified God's standard of marriage.
We do well to remember that God created marriage in the Garden of Eden and at that time man did not die. Meaning that marriage was lifelong/forever.
And yes in
Matthew 5:32 and 19:9 it states the "Fornication clause", but this was referring to the Jewish custom of the 1 year betrothal period.
Jewish tradition treated that time as a contracted marriage, and you would have to get a bill of divorce if you found your spouse to of had sex before marriage see .
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
I.e.
Your fiancee cheats on you before the "I do" and you find out you can call off the wedding/marriage.
Joseph, Mary's fiancee was going to do this until God stopped him.
Matthew 1:18-20 KJV
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was >>>[espoused]>[before they came together][husband][put her away privily]
Thank you for allowing God to use you to speak the truth. Thank you for backing it up with scripture and breaking it down to a T.
Thank you for sharing the TRUTH of GOD’s Word. Much needed in this hour.
Jesus was talking about Marriage, and divorce with pharises, not was talking about engage or betrothal ( Matthew 5 : 31, 32 or 19 : 5,6, 7, 8, 9)
Jesus said on Marriage, Matthew 19 : 5 For the reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined (in marriage) to his wife, and two shall be come one flesh (allow to have sex as husband and wife for planing to have children)
Matt 5 : 31 : it has been said whoever divorces his wife let him give her certificate of divorce or Matt 19 : 7 :....Why then did Moses command to give certificate of divorce, and put her away?
Certificate of divorce is given to the woman who in marriage for any reason
Jesus said Matthew 5 : 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason EXCEPT SEXUAL IMMORALITY causes her to commit adultery.
Jesus mean : a husband does not allow his wife for any reason but not include for sexual immorality.
If husband divorces his wife for any reason causes her commits adultery, it mean when divorced she maybe remarry to other man and she commits adultery.
And husband who divorced wife for any reason and he also remarry another woman he commits adultery.
Jesus said : Except for sexual immorality of wife, the husband allows to dovorce his wife bcz she did sex to another man (she has been defiled compare it to Deutr 24 : 4)
Sexual immorality/fornication that wife did, when before she married or she is married.
So the men allow to remarry if his wife has died and he divorced his adultery wife.
And he can remarry but marries a woman who never been married or widow one.
The women allow to remarry only if her husband (former husband) dies
Jesus said to all men about the divorced women ( Matt 5 : 32 b, Luke 16 : 18b) : Whoever marries divorced woman, he commits adultery
Jesus had his commandment to the wife who her husband is abusive, unfaithful or adultery and she is forced to separate or divorce from her husband, she has two option REMAIN UNMARRIED or RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND
The certificate of divorce that gives to a wife is not to give her to free remarry but it tells to other men to let this woman remain unmarried or reconciliation.
If her former husband take her back as wife, it is allowed,bcz she is not defiled bcz she has not remarried another man.
Can God put asunder what man has join together?
man puts together nothing, it is God..doing the joining together...
This is a powerful message. In fact, it could have saved the life of John the Baptist.
My husband left me after 24 years gir another women he has married her l pray everday he come home to his family we have a son that has server autism he needs him so much why would she want my husband she has 3 children by 3 different men why could she make one if those work I was married 1 time I took my vow to death do us part I'm so heart broken
I’m sorry for you situation. My son has autism as well. It’s definitely really hard. Keep praying for him and give your anger to God. He can give you rest and peace. 🙏🏽
John Piper is in union w Jesus Christ in truth up until the point he says those who remarried should stay together. Jesus Christ brought wrath to me for remarrying and His wrath came so powerfully that He made it IMPOSSIBLE to remain married to second husband. Then He began leading me back to my first husband in spirit. The second marriage will always be adultery to God.
May god convict others second marriage is adultery period even w repentance. The woman who had five husband, Jesus is referring to her husband being the first one. Her fifth was not him and neither were the other three.
+SHINE FORTH Going back to your first husband was an abomination according to Deuteronomy 24:4
+TheWeight2go I have Jesus Christ to teach me. Thank you.
+TheWeight2go and I NEVER went back to my first husband.
Unfortunately you committed sin divorcing the second husband unless he abandoned you or committed adultery on you. To go back to him would be considered wrong also under the law. But Jesus can forgive any sin if one truly repents. But to teach to break another marriage vow as your teaching is wrong sister/brother. We don't add sin to our sin, we repent of our sin and walk in His mercy and restoration.
I'm confused, you shouldn't but if you do, don't break it...i'm confused
+Daniela C I know, isn't that confusing.......He is being pressured to soften the message I think.
It's called double speak and its what many so-called pastors and teachers do today. If you say it shouldn't be done then that should be the end of it.
@@westgate5449 at a certain state....one just has to teach and let the consequences be what they may.....judgement day is no time to hear you did not teach my word....
@@westgate5449 evidently the board of elders can come up with a unified plan, of action....
I read he correctly says that FORNICATION is the word in Matt 5:32, and that it CANNOT mean post marital adultery. If so good. BUT...... does he say that you can divorce for premarital adultery YEARS AFTER MARRYING, or only if it is discovered before fornication??? Seems like he will be promoting an awful lot of divorce if he says discovery of premarital fornication is a cause for divorce and remarriage years after marrying. My guess is he wont say
more and more people are focusing on the situation of Joseph and Mary and saying that this is an example of what the exception is all about...
Can I get a divorce if my spouse commits adultery? No. Can I get a divorce if my spouse is abusive to me? No. Can I get a divorce if I no longer love my spouse? No. Can I get a divorce if my spouse has abandoned me? No.
Under what circumstances can I get a divorce? None. The Bible is clear; only death can dissolve a marriage in God's sight. Our only option is to separate from our spouse and remain single. If things improve between us and our spouse, reconciliation is possible (1 Corinthians 7:10-11, Bible).
What about the exception in Matthew 5:31-32 and Matthew 19:1-9? There is no exception in Matthew's gospel: Once married, always married until death do us part, no exceptions. This applies to all human beings, regardless of whether you are a sinner or a saint.
I.m confused. How can you teach its adultery when you divorce your spouse and marry another spouse while that first spouse is living. then you say if your in that 2nd marriage ok
just repent Repent means to stop doing what you're doing. I heard a preacher say if you steal a car which is a crime and you later repented and got saved. Can you continue to drive the stolen car. No!! you cant keep the car after you have repented you have to do whats right give the car back. So If I hear the truth that Jesus said I cant marry another while my first spouse is alive, then i have to give up what I'm doing to please him.
Kimela Williams
He's a coward. He would lose half his income if he was honest.
No, thats not HOW that works my sister. Don't believe this nonsense. We are responsible for ourselves. You cannot force anyone to be with you. Once your marriage is broken you no longer have a contract/covenant. Contracts involve at least 2 parties. You are not liable for the transgressions of your mate. You can only work on you. If they are unwilling to do their part then you can go your way and divorce.
It is folly to think otherwise. Jesus chose to forgive us when he was on the cross. He paid the price. He said Father forgive them.....God already knew we would mess up and he chose us anyways. Think adam and eve. Because when you love someone you give,,,,You give love unconditionally.
You think Jesus forgives murder but not a second marriage? Thank God he is God and mankind is not
31It has also been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her.g And he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Notice it says except for SEXUAL IMMORALITY. That is in there for a reason. There is no way around that. It says sexual IMMORALITY period.
Take care
Also all of Corinthians 7
So at 1:18 min mark he admits he is going against what Jesus said and points you to a self authenticating document the HE wrote,,,,,and there you have it. He admits to making this up. We are done here.
If you look up the meaning of the word pornia, and fornication you will see where they came from and how was used back then and then you will see that this preacher and anyone make such claims regarding that scripture in matthew 19:9 are full of crap.
See below, your welcome. Do your own research.....
In the original Greek version of the New Testament, the term porneia (πορνεία - "prostitution") is used 25 times (including variants such as the genitive πορνείας).[3]
In the late 4th century, the Latin Vulgate, a Latin translation of the Greek texts, translated the term as fornicati, fornicatus, fornicata, and fornicatae. The 1611 King James Version[4] used the term fornication. Other translations have used terms such as whoredom, sexual immorality (e.g., Matthew 19:9) or simply immorality.[5][6]
In Latin, the term fornix means arch or vault. In Ancient Rome, prostitutes waited for their customers out of the rain under vaulted ceilings,[7] and fornix became a euphemism for brothels, and the Latin verb fornicarereferred to a man visiting a brothel.[8][9][10] The first recorded use in English is in the Cursor Mundi, c. 1300; the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) records a figurative use as well: "The forsaking of God for idols".[11]Fornicated as an adjective is still used in botany, meaning "arched" or "bending over" (as in a leaf). John Milton plays on the double meaning of the word in The Reason of Church-Government Urged against Prelaty(1642): "[She] gives up her body to a mercenary whordome under those fornicated [ar]ches which she cals Gods house."[12]
It's culturally significant to pay close attention to whether Our Lord Jesus is speaking of mankind, man or woman! He allows the man to remarry if his wife was guilty of "porno" which is perversion. If she had any form of sex with a male or a female, in effect, she dissolved the marriage herself. Thus, he can marry another, although his previous wife still lives.
I'm glad Brother Piper stresses the amazing Love of God, however one can have received this love yet is free to leave Him. We pray for backsliders, but we know it's simply their choice. Perhaps praying Spiritual Warfare over them is best, binding the demonic influence in Jesus Name!!!
Apparently, the man is not under equal penalty partly perhaps because he is her provider and her protector as is Our God to us! Her job is to bear and nurture children. She should not be so foolish as to risk losing a husband over her lustful temptations.
Remember also that God divorced Israel then marries His Church!!!
Old Testament vs New Testament.
I have a question for John Piper. How do you read 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 because that was my situation before? You try and try to keep on reconciling with that person who says they are a Christian, but no matter how much you try, they refused to reconcile with you, and they flat out divorced you. I always believed marriage was for life and you should never divorce because my parents and grandparents never divorced. My dad stayed with my mom until she died. I always wanted a long lasting marriage until death do us part, but you can't force the other person to stay with you if they flat out refused to stay with you. Divorce is never an answer to your marital problems, but working it out is the best way. But as Paul the Apostle says, you are free from the person who abandons you. What that person does in abandoning you they will have to answer to the Lord for what they have done. They will pay for their sins in what they have done, and I have seen it first hand where people have destroyed their lives because they left their spouse because they don't want to be with their spouse. So, what is the abandoned spouse supposed to do?
The abandoned spouse is to remain single and pray for reconciliation.
Luke 16:18
New International Version
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
I know this is difficult, but you must remember that we serve a God who is capable of all things. He can reconcile your marriage. He is able to soften even the hardest of hearts. It can and will be done. I pray that for you in Jesus name. If you are going through this, pray daily for your wife to return. I am happy to pray for you as well.
You do not commit adultery until you remarry and/or engage in sex with another individual who is not your spouse or 1st husband. Therefore if your spouse is already sleeping with others, or has committed adultery, then I believe you are free to go.
@@palee8928 so let me get this straight then you have to stay single for the rest of your life? Because once that person divorces you, you may never have contact again. So how are you supposed to know whether she has been with another guy or not?
not under bondage, is not akin to not being bound....people mis use these terms....or mis translate them......
@@palee8928 adultery is not the exception....this is the trouble of taking fornication and changing it to....sexual immorality...
God be praised for faithful servants like John Piper. His teachings confront and encourage in our walk for sanctification.
I have read several comments below and this is my observation. Many will find scriptures to justify what they want to believe and ignore some of the passaged Piper has stated and use the passages that make them justify what they want to believe. Two passages for those individuals. With fear and trembling workout your own salvation for it is God working in you the willing and doing of His good pleasure. Also ; So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad. Therefore, since we know what it means to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is clear to God, and I hope it is clear to your conscience as well.
amen...
Very well said!❤️
I am confused...If a wife is divorced by her husband and he has taken everything is she supposed to be single and live in poverty? Without a husband to care for her? Or is she free to remarry? I think it stinks that someone should remain single because their spouse leaves them. There was absolutely nothing I could do. I have been single for 10 years and I hate it. I would love to have a spouse to be a wife too. So are you saying, I am not worth the crap on the bottom of a person's shoe because my spouse cheated on me and left me for another woman. I do not want to be single anymore and this message kind of irritated me. it was very one sided because you don't believe in divorce. Well....I didn't either until I experience it. I didn't even sign the papers in court. But again, there was nothing I could do. So, now...I am supposed to be punished for something my ex has done? REALLY!
THIs has nothing to do with self worth. It has everything to do with your view that women who are divorced should not re-marry. I am saying I am tired of being punished for the actions of others. YOu are saying keep being punished because you are divorced. It has nothing to do with self worth. It is about paying the price for someone else's actions. your views are of a person who doesn't believe in divorce and a man has the right to do what ever he wants to a woman. that is not Biblical either. None of my statement had anything to do with My Worth but everything about being punished for the actions of others by being single. A life that does not fit me. Your attitude pisses me off to tell it nicely.
So now you are judging me? Jesus also says not to judge others hearts or if they are good enough to go to heaven. Only God knows. It is not that I am selfish and not following God. I probably follow God's word more then most people. I spend a lot of my time studying scripture not just reading it or listening to others talk about it. My life has always been about God and my family. So don't even go there and do not ever accuse someone of living like most of the world. You have no idea where I am with Yahwe or his son Yeshua. Or for that matter Ruach.
HikariBelle
Read these in the full context of which they were written.
Mat_7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you.
Luk_6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released:
Heb_10:30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Look at this parable Yeshua gave with the woman accused of adultery
Joh 8:6 And this they said, trying him, that they might have whereof to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst.
Joh 8:10 And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee?
Joh 8:11 And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.]
HikariBelle Actually I am tired of people like you who pick on those of us who are divorced. Again stop judging others hearts. Get it correct. and leave me be if you can't stop being holier then thou. People like you make me and everyone like me sick. You are judgmental. If you have nothing constructive to say back off. I am not bitter about anything other then those who think they are above all others. That pisses me off beyond belief along with many others. You obviously have not been divorced so if you do not know anything about it you have no idea what it is like. You all put a BIG FAT SCARLET LETTER ON OUR CHESTS! You make me sick.
Actually it is people saying these things. Since people tend to think scripture says anything they want. You pick and choose doctrines of men. Corinthians talks about marriage and divorce. I am allowed to remarry since I did not choose to divorce. Do not contact me again or comment on this again. You are judgmental and it only causes contempt among believers. Again something that is not to be done according to scripture.
John Piper you are not weird. You are 100 percent correct.
Christ does not always take her back. The one exception for divorce is if one of the two fornicate during the engagement period. And right now, the bride of Christ is only in the engagement period, waiting for Christ to return for the marriage ceremony. For just as Hebrew men would take a year long engagement period to build a home for his new bride, so too has Christ gone to heaven to prepare a home for his wife. And, consequently, will give a writ of divorce to those churches/believers that have been unfaithful during this engagement period.
So many people are no longer reading the KJV. The other translations give you permission to remarry due to sexual immorality; however, the KJV, in Matthew 19:9, says except for fornication. Huge difference in the wording. I have researched this issue in depth, and there is nowhere in the Holy Scriptures that gives you permission to remarry after a divorce, unless your spouse dies. Search the scriptures for yourself. DO NOT listen to false teachers. Your eternal destiny depends on it. If you stays in the marriage, you are living in adultery.
Paul also instructs in 1 Corinthians 7: 10-11. “10Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.”
So even if they separate or divorce over fornication, adultery, or what ever adjective you wanna place on it, the scripture is clear they are to be remarried to each other. If they marry other people they are committing adultery.
I know people don’t want to hear the truth, but we have no choice but to share the truth with them.
This is an argument for what?
@@christopherskipp1525 no remarriage....I think....
Then why were people allowed to remarry under the Law in the Old Testament and why were none of them immediately stoned to death if it's considered adultery?
@@thewordistheway To the married - not “re-married.”
People BE CAREFUL and DON'T BE DECEIVED. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMS that "ALL REMARRIAGE" is in fact adultery. REPENTANCE from adultery means "stop stop living together and having sex with somebody else's husband or wife".
This preacher is preaching half truth you can't remain in your sin and be forgiven
Here's a question I want to ask you
Do you believe you can continually have sex with somebody else's husband or wife and go to heaven?
Do you believe that is secular judge can throw down the gavel and separate a husband and wife whom God joined together?
Does the judge who's presides over the divorce case get this is authority given to him from heaven? The answer is no.
If you're living in a remarriage you're actually living in ongoing adultery and you must repent of it.
You were warned you will not be able to stand before God and say nobody told you.
I beg and plead with you don't go to the eternal lake of fire because you're having sex with somebody else's husband or wife.
Jesus said and gave a commandment and it's in 1st Corinthians 7 verse 10 and 11
Jesus said I command the wife not to depart from her husband but if she departs let her remain single or be reconciled into her husband...and to the husband I command the husband not to divorce his wife.
So you see if somebody is estranged from their spouse they are to be reconciled if at all possible
So are you willing to have sex with somebody else's husband or wife when Jesus instructed them to be reconciled if at all possible. The very fact that you're with them prevents them from being reconciled to their spouse as Jesus commanded.
Jesus said my people perish for a lack of knowledge.
Please read 1st Corinthians 7:10 and 11
And obey it just like it's written
Don't let a smooth sounding preacher change your mind about what Jesus said.
Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments this is a real commandment issued by Christ Jesus in 1st Corinthians 7:10 and 11 to all married couples.
OBEY CHRIST
Stop living with somebody else's husband or wife having sex with them thinking you're in a remarriage. STOP IT
I beg you with tears if you really cared about people's families you would allow them to be reconciled because you're with a broken family trying to make a new family.
It doesn't matter how terrible their spouse is you must obey Christ and let God heal their relationship if at all possible.
"Father I pray for the millions of people reading this comment that they would turn from their sins because millions of people are being plunged into hell by the LIE of remarriage Jesus you plainly stated whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and whoever marries her that is divorced also commits adultery. Father it has been proven that Erasmus added the words except for fornication in the 1500s to the Greek translations and father you know that since this faulty translation has been in the Bible people have begin to accept divorce and remarriage. But father you know prior to the 1500s for a thousand years the church didn't allow divorce and remarriage because it was 100% unbiblical. And father you know that Philip and Herodotus in the Bible were married according to Roman law and they were divorced according to Roman law and Herodotus remarried a man named Herod but Father John the Baptist being filled of the holy Spirit condemn the remarriage as adultery."
I therefore under the instruction of God the Father God the son and God the holy Spirit warn the reader to depart from iniquity and depart from sin all remarriage is adultery you will not be able to find one remarried couple in the Bible and the only remarried couple in the Bible that were remarried according to law they were condemned as adulterers. Even in the case of divorce for fornication or sexual immorality because that was the exact reason that Philip divorced Herodotus because Herodotus was having an affair with Herod. So you see the strongest case for divorce and remarriage is even condemned by the Holy Spirit through John the Baptist.
God bless you dear reader
you were warned
I shake the dust off from my feet for those people who would argue with me for they argue with Jesus Christ for his words stands and defends itself
The words that I preach are the truth and they are the words that are given to me by Jesus Christ
Once again I beg you to repent repentance means stop having sex with somebody else's husband and wife get out of that bedroom and get out of that house and stop living together and calling yourself a family.
Only those people who depart from sin will make it into heaven
Grace to you
The first question you ask is completely absurd!!!
You ask "Do you believe you can continually have sex with somebody else's husband or wife and go to heaven?"
Proving you totally misunderstand the biblical CONTEXT for Jesus' teaching on divorce. You are NOT interpreting Jesus from the Biblical precedents to which He refers, but rather from the extreme, exaggerated position of some Pastors who inverts the meaning of "divorce" and "marries another" as stated by Jesus.
Your whole post is predicated on the FALSE belief that "divorce" and "marries another" (as spoken by Jesus) does not actually mean divorce and marries another, right?
You have wrongly followed Teachers who invert and dismiss those events "as if" they had not actually happened. BIG, BIG mistake in your interpretation. You are affirming the literalness of the ensuing adultery while at the same time denying the literalness of the divorce and second marriage, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In Jesus' teaching one marriage has ended and ANOTHER marriage followed. Thus your question is totally fabricated from a FALSE interpretation which inverts word meaning in order to get to the erroneous interpretation. You would HAVE to admit that if Jesus was revealing what transpires by ending a marriage before death where remarriage was allowed under the law (as shown in the law of Deuteronomy 24 verse 2), that you have totally misconstrued Jesus' teaching on this issue, right?
Thus those divorced and remarried are NOT having sex "with somebody else's husband or wife" (as you FALSELY believe), but rather with their own spouse. Try believing EVERYTHING Jesus said from the Biblical precedents to which He refers and NOT from Teachers who create a new, erroneous narrative by adding false suppositions that undermines the fact that divorce and remarriage are actual events that change marital status and obligations to the present spouse. Blessings
@@nealdoster8556 Neal, John being full of the Holy Spirit said "it is unlawful for you to have your "BROTHER'S WIFE". This statement was told to a man who legally married a legally divorced woman according to Roman Law.
Do you disagree with the Holy Spirit?
What man can stand before the Holy Spirit and disagree with Him?
Do you have the power to join Herodotus and Herod as husband and wife? No, you do not.
Did the Roman judge who presided over Phillip's divorce of Herodotus have power to dissolve the marriage? No, because God said what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Niel, I perceive that you are near this transgression of remarriage adultery or know someone who is in this sin.
Repent and be saved
Those refusing the warning of God will perish for hath not said "thou shall not commit adultery"?
@@princedarius7224 You are basing your whole theory that marriage is indissoluble on "BROTHER'S WIFE" in that text. Wow !!!!!
Expression like that are retrospective like in 2 Samuel 12 which states "15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that "Uriah's wife" bare unto David, and it was very sick.
In that text it has already been revealed that Uriah was dead and David had taken Bathsheba to be his wife AFTERWARD but she is still referred to numerous times after the death of Uriah as "Uriah' wife".
So from your way of interpreting such phrases death didn't even dissolve the marriage, right?
Well for most Christians that text is simple because they rightly understand that "Uriah's wife" within CONTEXT is retrospective, understand?
Secondly, Do you know the law that Herod broke because he actually broke an Old Testament law or are you like so many who just assumes John made up a law about remarriage (in general) being unlawful?
Please share from the scriptures to which John referred where remarriage of itself was unlawful.
If you can help me by answering the questions below, I would appreciate it.
1) I have not found a text that says that a MAN abandoned (passive) by his wife commits adultery if he marries another woman or that he should remain alone;
2) a woman abandoned, even for an unjust cause (Deut. 24), could remarry (she was not to be stoned as an adulteress, Deut. 22), except to priests (Lev. 21). After the coming of the Lord, the woman unjustly abandoned can no longer marry? Was there more freedom for the abandoned woman before? Jesus said that he would not repeal the Law given by His Father.
3) Why does the text about "divorce" (or separation) appear in Luke in the middle of texts about money?
4) Why is it believed that the union of one flesh is something ontological, and there are several passages in which it is demonstrated that this does not occur (Abraham and Hagar, marriage with foreigners, relations between relatives, Ex. 22,17, I Cor. 5, I Cor .6, Deut. 24...)
5) The verbs allow and command are interchanged in Matthew 19 and Mark 10. Why does almost everyone who preaches Matthew 19 ignore this interchange in Mark 10?
6) Why do people ignore that the procedural question of the divorce certificate has value? Think with me: what was the penalty for adultery? Stoning? Not always. If there were no witnesses and she was guilty, the penalty for the same offense would be different, according to Num. 5. Why is it not noticed that God made this point in Isaiah 50 when asking where the divorce certificate would be?
7) if an unbeliever leaves his believing spouse and disappears in the world. In a short time, no one knows the whereabouts of the person, and not even if he is alive (the Brazilian Civil Code even regulates absence, by the way), the believing spouse would be prohibited from getting married permanently, because how would he know if the other died?
8) do you think that in Corinth there were no divorced people? If in Israel the concept of marriage was no longer there, in the Greek environment there was no divorce? Paul did not give the Corinthians any divorce decrees.
9) Paul told Timothy that doctrines of demons would arise: prohibition of marriages and food. Do you know anywhere banning food only to leaders? I am not. So why interpret that the ban on marriages that would arise would only be for leaders (as we usually interpret it, understanding Catholics in that position)?
10) Paul said in Romans 7 that the wife was bound to her husband unto death by the LAW, not by an indissoluble Neoplatonic ontological bond. The woman could be required by the man if he did not give her a certificate of divorce. But if he gave it, even if unjustly and because of the hardness of heart, she was not bound to him by the LAW. Paul used the rule to use a metaphor.
God bless you!
I have been in a physically abusive marriage for 8 years. Been strangled thrice, punched, abandoned for 2 yrs and so on. All these years I put up, believing it would all change. Gave up on praying for my marriage. I was forced to stay at home so I wont have any finances even though I have a Masters in engineering. Now he's divorcing me. I have a child and Im out of my country. What can I do. I am done. Ive got auto immune disease bcoz if this stress.
you have no family...that can bring you home....
I really like a lot of John Piper's messages and most of this one, but I disagree @ 57:30 A biblical example of illegitimate marriage, which is not recognized by God and is indeed a continuous act of adultery and sin
Herod and Herodias
Mark 6:17-20 17 For it was Herod who had sent and seized John and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, because he had married her. 18 For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.” 19 And Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death. But she could not, 20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. When he heard him, he was greatly perplexed, and yet he heard him gladly.
John the Baptist lost his life and was beheaded for telling Herod that it was not lawful for him to have his brother's wife. John the Baptist didn't tell Herod to acknowledge his sinful marriage to Herodias, feel sorry about it, believe in the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and simply move on while continuing his illegitimate marriage. No, he told him it is not lawful for him to have his brother's wife. As long as Herod kept his brother's wife, although he had married her and took Herodias as wife, it was not lawful and the marriage was illegitimate. It was a continuous act of adultery that needed to be repented of. John the Baptist was telling Herod to divorce Herodias his illegitimate wife, because she was not actually his wife, but still the wife of his brother.Illegitimate marriages are adultery. They are not valid marriages and never will be until the REAL spouse dies.
Then @ 1:00:00 he quotes Deut. 24 and completely misses it again. The reason the original spouse was not allowed to take back the wife that has gone and defiled herself with another man, isn't because that other relationship was valid in the eyes of God. It is because she was defiled and it would be an abomination to receive her back. It goes so far as to say that even if the man she was defiled with was DEAD, the original spouse still couldn't take her back. This is completely different from the law of an actual God ordained marriage where the covenant is ended by death of the spouse.
I wouldn't say that John Piper doesn't know squat. I have really been edified by many of his sermons even though I disagree with his views from time to time and on some doctrinal points. I personally think he knows better. He claims he is taking a hard nosed and narrow stance on this issue but I see him squirming and twisting the Scriptures in order to not take the real hard nosed stance that John the Baptist took which cost him his life. It is a very tough thing to say to people that their marriage is illegitimate. It isn't fun or exciting. Especially if they have had children together in their adulterous illegitimate relationship. It can cost you family members and close friends. It can cost you your congregation and the tithe money which you survive on. It will certainly bring forms of persecution and division. I have a sibling and a parent that have chosen to pursue illegitimate marriages and my sibling has had children in this relationship and I know just how hard it is to share the truth of God's word with someone in one of these situations. Especially when they now have children. Luke 12:51-53 becomes very real when you make the decision to stand on His word and proclaim His truth, no matter the cost. John 17:14 becomes very real and personal when you make the decision to stand on God's word no matter the cost. The reason why is because men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil. Because every one that does evil hates the light, neither do they come to the light, lest their deeds should be reproved. (John 3:19-20). People want to have their ears itched according to their own lustful desires.
At the end of the day though, I don't want to stand before God and have Him ask me why I didn't warn them if I knew the truth. I don't want my family or friends to ask me why I didn't warn them. I don't want anyone's blood on my hands.
Jeremiah 23:14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one turns back from his wickedness. All of them are like Sodom to Me, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.
Ezekiel 13:22 Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life.
Jeremiah 23:17-18, 22
17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
18 But which of them has stood in the council of YHWH
to see or to hear his word?
Who has listened and heard his word?
22 But if they had stood in my council,
they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
and from their evil deeds.
Sojourner in a foreign land was herod actually MARRIED In The eyes of MEN to Herodias? Is ceremony etc Had she got a .an made divorce from Herod's brother?
well put. I did not even mention that example in my book!
(NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART), This may be the most clear message on Biblical Marriage & Divorce that I have ever heard. Describing several points of view and emphasizing the model of Christ the Groom and the Church His Bride.
"No civil, legal, religious, cultural, or state divorce is valid in the eyes of God. This includes all human divorces that have taken place on planet Earth since Adam and Eve sinned. Not a single one of them severed the one-flesh union of a lawful marriage. They all took place without God’s permission. They were all unilateral decisions, as they are to this day, and will be to the end of time."
If your spouse cheats on you and your spouse leaves you, why should you be FURTHER punished by not being able to marry again?
This is only a one sided argument concerning divorce and re-marriage. I remember Chuck Swindol once said that if you put all the theologians on a bus and sent them away for several months to discuss this very issue, they would come back with no unanimous answer or a agreement. Yes, divorce is painful, yes, it is against the LORD's will but there is always God's infinite Grace and love. The bible says: "If the unbeliever leaves, let them go and you are no longer bound." The greek word bound means tied, held, committed or attached. If the abandoned spouse has not defiled the marriage bed and he/she is divorced against their will, they are no longer bound to the adulterer and the marriage vows. They are free to remarry. Many men in the Bible, even David, a man after God's heart had many wives. We live in a fallen world and the LORD has made allowances through HIS son Jesus and HIS Grace. I do not say this lightly. I was abandoned by an adulterous husband who abandoned his Lord also, and therefore after many years of singleness the LORD brought a good and godly man into my life. My current husband. So do not judge us so that you also may not be judged.
+Nora Sanders Curran I agree with you, I do not think that an individual will go to hell or be living a life of sin if he or she remarried after their spouse abandoned the marriage.
Jennifer Marsden does not matter what you believe you either know the bible is true or you dont. but the laws of reality are written
Dee Perez : stop it! Seek Holu Spirit before you judge
you are shot down, by five words....at least in the English language....but I say, unto you.....hmmmm someone changed the rules.....and dont worry you will be able to give him your opinion, at the judgement...just dont make it, at the White Throne....
Nora Sanders Curran well stated
I am married to a man that's been married 3 time didn't know until i was ready to sign the papers i did sign it any way and after that it was hell for me this is my first marriege i ask him if his wives did cheat on him he said no then i heard a pastor preaching about it and saying i was committed adultry my mind was not settle so i ask him to leave cause we are living in sin am filing for divorce from him and am at peace and i ask God to forgive me of this sin. I read the Bible for myself about marriage and yes i was living in sin now am at peace with God.
if you are married to a man, who was on his third wife....chances are the divorces are not Biblical....if this is the case....Biblically it was not a marriage....ergo you can divorce...and remarry.....because you were never in a covenant relationship...
Amen Sister, follow Jesus and his Holy scripture, he will never leave nor forsake you!
Jesus calls divorce n remarriage adultery. So this message is incorrect. Seek god, repent n he will give strength to obey
How low we have gotten as a society. We've managed to self destroy so precious blessings.
GOD PLEASE HELP US! REVIVE us LORD PLEASE put an end to this epidemic of marital destruction.
John Piper teaches in error. Started out good but went off course when he said that if you are divorced and in another marriage you should remain there because you made an oath? Blasphemy!! When Jesus said that you are an adulterer if you divorce and remarry, he didnt say that you made another oath so remain and ask for forgiveness. Apostle Paul said if one marries another while your original lives you will be known as an adulterer. Anytime you enter into another, have you not TRIED to set up another union?? But God says its ADULTERY. YES ITS PAINFUL BUT YOU MUST BREAK THE SINFUL UNION
This all seems very legalistic to me! I believe every word of scripture and realize God is holy but I believe Christ death on the cross is finished work and covers all sins. I realize God hates divorce! And I'm familiar with the gospel teachings concerning divorce. I recall the woman at the well having five husbands and Jesus forgave her! The woman caught in the act of adultery was faced with stoning and Jesus told her accusers that those without sin cast the first stone. In other words all those people holding stones had a legalistic mindset but couldn't live under it's application. Legalism is something you have to be careful of because you too can't live under it's application. To say someone who gets divorced because their spouses runs off with someone else should honor the marriage by staying lonely the rest of their days is an indirect reading of the gospel. If it's ok to remarry when a spouse passes, what about when the marriage itself dies?
Baby James His legalism and hypocrisy come full circle now that he demands that legally married gays repent, divorce and completely split up, and put the children in the custody of 'healthy' Christian families so they can 'flourish', in order for the gay people to become members of the church. Why not insist on the same for divorced and remarried people, who are nothing more than adulterers, who have produced bastards as children?
Baby James well said very smart
Paul says a person who is married is legally bound until a husband dies. A person whose spouse committed pornea and receives a Biblical divorce doesn't have a spouse!
@chad fibregel@ gmail.com I would not take the extreme that every remarried person in adultery should leave. There has to be damage control. 80% will leave anyways, is it called divorce after remarriage statistics! Those remarried, with children and legal obligations with the family could cause even more sin by leaving another woman destitute. Especially when the other has remarried. What they SHOULD ALWAYS DO, is humbly admit their are in adultery, and have remorse for the sin they have inflicted upon themselves, the family, and community. Some scandalous adulterated remarriages should separate and repent no doubt, and those who should, know who you are! I don't know what to say.... sometimes there is no answer to sin! What is our rationale to a stage 4 cancer patient? Those bound in the tentacles of sin, divorce and perverted adultery sin may be indeed on their was with the masses to the flames and torments of hell. Some will escape. God's grace is amazing! But Remember, humility and repentance. Even for us in this "ME" narcissistic, Google generation of "know it alls." One cannot be saved if they are not broken in their sin.
Wow, everyone is a professional and a pastor and a guidance counselor.
No everyone is not. A real pastor would not instruct one of his congregants to marry someone else if their one-flesh covenant spouse is still living.
@@ajlouviere202Boom boom boom!!!!
access to information....sort of a new reformation....
@@ajlouviere202 he does not....only once you have, he gives a green light.....to what the Bible calls adultery...
@@philipbuckley759 not sure what your point is. I think you are advocating remarriage after a divorce. Could you please clarify your position since you have been in disagreement?
My wife says a lot however Christ is not in any of it. I love how this video puts her on to Christ's truth.
You just said only God can break the marriage vow....now you say couples in adultery can stay that way? Stay with the scriptures...not what YOU think. John was beheaded for telling Herod he should not have Herodius which means marriage is sacred. I cant believe what Im hearing. You should have listened to the woman on the phone.
This blessed me, at 37:58.
Let me ask a few questions in regard to a contextual interpretation of Jesus teaching on this matter.
How do you feel about the Old Testament women who were allowed to remarry under the law after being repudiated (divorced) by their husbands (Deuteronomy 24:2)?
Do you distain them and call them whores and adulterers?
Or do you have compassion for them knowing they needed a companion and provider being that this way of committing adultery was the inadvertent consequence of the divorce concession Jesus mentions in Matthew 19:8?
Jesus revealed that these women were caused to commit adultery by their former husbands repudiation of them when they remarried (Matthew 5:32).
Does that mean Jesus prohibited remarriage (even though He didn't)?
Would you say that God got it wrong under the law and those women shouldn't have remarried?
Is Jesus correcting His Father and Moses?
Or is He simply revealing that ending a marriage before death (divorce) carries a negative consequence of adultery for the ensuing marriage?
What would you do if you were divorced and God graciously allowed you to remarry?
Would you remain single and celibate or would you remarry?
That's the paradox presented in God's Word. Hope that helps you understand the divorce dilemma better.
Blessings to all
how does one view the teaching of Jesus, himself....he is the one who changed the system...
@@philipbuckley759 "changed the system". You must believe Jesus lied!!!!
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Try believing Jesus on the issue of divorce from the biblical precedents to which He referred, NOT by thinking He "changed the system".
What other sin can repent of and continue doing and expect to be in God’s will? I love this sermon and Piper’s devotion and sincerity. I just disagree on that point. We need more preachers that will match the truth of God’s words, to the needs of our lives.
I agree with a lot of what he says however I do not believe God blesses all marriages as true covenants. What about homosexual marriages is it a sin to divorce in that case? This union was still done under law as all marriages, therefore He cannot ordain all marriages.
wow...I totally disagree with his teachings on the 2nd remarriage that is illegal in God's eyes. ....his points are invalid. He will never go to a couple and tell them they should divorce because he will lose his congregation.
I praise the Lord I’m single and did not marry!!!! I was saved 25 years ago while pregnant and thankfully advised not to marry the unbeliever father. He is now married with three kids. It’s hard in many ways being single but God has been an amazing husband in so many ways. (Getting cat down from a tree after four days).
Raborn Law, LLC ladylaw, interesting. If he wanted to marry you, though, you're supposed to (1 Corinthians 7). Right?
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 who gets to choose....if you get an answer....please let us know...
Never teach that there are exemptions in the Bible for divorce. This is absolutely false. Marriage is until death do you part. If you divorce and remarry…. You do not marry, but commit adultery. The only exemption is in the context of the Jewish Gospel of Matthew where if one fornicated in a betrothal dedication (as was assumed in the account of Mary found to be with child and Joseph) he could have justly put her away and divorced and therefore remarried.
So what? Every person and couple who you know is divorced and remarried are living in adultery and in the practice of it. This is bashed on Galatians, they are not inheriting the Kingdom of God. Pastors who remarry and teach the exemption clause loopholes are in danger of hell too. Because again they practice it even as they are one women men. Wise up on this we must
You claim "If you divorce and remarry…. You do not marry, but commit adultery."
Do you realize you are making a self contradicting statement?
Do you believe Jesus lied when He said "marries another" and "which is put away" which refers to divorce?
Don't you actually believe His words or not?
Your interpretation of Jesus is exaggerated. By only interpreting part of what He said literally you are self contradicting. You SHOULDN'T invert His words in order to come to your conclusions. Your interpretation is erroneous by concluding that in Jesus' teaching there is an either/or conclusions. In truth Jesus gave a both/and conclusion. You are claiming it's either marriage or adultery, right?
That is a false interpretation!!!!!!!!!!! This is the common fallacy to your position and all who share it.
So what would your conclusion be if you realized Jesus in fact gave a both/and conclusion? In other words all the events He mentions (divorce, marriage, and adultery) are actual events that changed marital status from one spouse to another?
The ensuing adultery doesn't change those truths, understand?
You are NOT interpreting Jesus from the biblical precedents to which He refers but rather from false suppositions interjected into His teaching.
You need to STOP thinking that the adultery happens because the first marriage doesn't end. That's the total opposite of what Jesus said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is in fact explaining that this way of committing adultery transpires because the first marriage ended prematurely, (NOT continued as you've been programed to believe).
This way of committing adultery happens exactly how Jesus described it, NOT because some interpreter inverts the meaning of His words in order to come to some erroneous conclusion.
So if Jesus meant what He said you have one marriage ending and another constituted. Thus being in harmony with the writings of Moses to which He refers (and NOT in contradiction as false suppositions interpret). That would mean that those remarried are married to their present spouse and NOT their former. It would also mean they are obligated to them and NOT their former!!!!!!!!!!!! It would ALSO mean that the way you claim this adultery occurs is FALSE. It's NOT the adultery of "still being married to the first spouse in God's eyes". That conclusion is the opposite of what Jesus actually said.
In Jesus' teaching on this issue He was explaining to His covenant people the inadvertent consequence of conceding divorce to them over against God's creative design which is lifelong (Matthew 19:8). Try interpreting Jesus with both of those facts being true. Blessings
So if I divorced my husband because he was abusive, cheated, and got someone else pregnant (his own sister at that, year you read that correctly), and has now found himself in prison 25 years. I’m not allowed to ever remarry? Find a fatherly figure for my son? Can someone help clear this up for me?
John MacArthur preaches Part 1, 2, and 3 on marriage and divorce. You can find them on UA-cam. He has Scriptures that state the only reason for divorce is sexual sin, any sexual sin of any kind. Then the spouse is free to remarry. I urge you to listen to all three of John MacArthur's sermons. They really cleared up my questions. May God give you clarity as you seek to obey Him. In Jesus, Amen. Prayers for you, PJ
the Bible makes no provision, for this....so how someone would sort this out, is a mystery, to me.....
Scripture gives two reasons that would allow for divorce. One is if your spouse had an affair with someone else (had sex). Matthew 5:32. Or if you were abandoned by a nonbelieving spouse (1 Corinthians 7:15). Matthew 5:32 gives permission for spouses of those who committed adultery or committed “sexual immorality” to remarry, it’s the “exception” that is allowed in this verse.
The LORD JESUS said that unless if there's evidence of sexual immorality one can not remarried. One would have to be very careful as to examine how a wife can withhold herself to her husband forcing him to look elsewhere to fulfill his needs. Likewise, husbands must treat their wives with love and understanding. The word say clearly, husbands love your wives as JESUS loves the church that HE gave his life for it.
For those pondering staying in remarriage as sin let me pose you a question. I as an unbeliever got tattoos. Later I understood tattoos as sinful and repented. Am I still walking in sin because I STILL have tattoos? John Piper is correct and did a good job of explaining why. I wont commit the sin of divorcing my husband and breaking up my God filled home now just because I sinned then. What was once sin has now been made Holy by Blood. Praise Jesus for forgiveness.
be kind enough to teach me how this happens....sin becomes non sin by a confession......
it becomes a forgiven sin?. God HATES divorce. 2 wrongs won't make a right?
Kind of a different topic.
Rachel Santana Andrew Todd Andrew, Jesus said all remarriage is Adultury. Stop listening to people and ask for an infilling of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said the comforter on the father will send will lead and guide you into all truth.
Satan is very deceptive
Jesus offers NO EXCEPTIONS on divorce and remarriage
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Did you know the Book of Matthew was circulated among the Jews and the Book of Mark and Luke was circulated among the Gentiles
In The Book of Mark and Luke Jesus offers no exception whatsoever
In the Book of Matthew Jesus said that a Jewish man who is betrothed to a virgin and if he finds out she's not a virgin "before" they're married he can put her away. This is why he used the term "fornication".
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Also if you're relying on a modern translation of the Bible you are being deceived by Satan
Did you know the NIV Bible has omitted so many scripture that it's enough to fill 33 small books of the Bible. Did you know places in the NIV that were omitted dealt with worshipping Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus and very important scriptures. Did you know the same company that prints the NIV Bible and most modern Bible translations also produces the Satanic Bible. It comes from the SAME company FACT.
Did you know that ALL PASTORS allowing divorce and remarriage COMPLETELY IGNORE the book of Mark and the book of Luke were Jesud offers NO EXCEPTIONS.
Don't die in your sins
Repent and leave the adulturous affair
Your remarriage is in fact Adultury
Repent of this adultury
Did you know the scripture says what God has joined together no man can put asunder
When you made a covenant till death do you part to the person that was never marry your first wife or husband the GOD recorded your covanant in heaven and joined you as ONE FLESH. No "man" can undo this ONE FLESH that God performed in Heaven.
Jesus said, many will say unto me Lord Lord and Jesus said He will say Depart from me, you worker of iniquity.
The word of God is not popular today and man has tried to redefine God's word for centuries
God defines a marriage as a man with one or more wives (provided each wife has never been married or is widowed)
God will not allow a man to divorce his wife and marry another woman because the man is symbolic of God and the wife is symbolic of isreal.
I plead with you to STOP LISTENING TO MAN, STOP PUTTING YOUR ETERNAL SOUL in the hands of youtube video authors who DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Notice if you have a room full of Christians and if you ask a question about divorce and remarriage you'll get a thousand different answers.
People ask the preacher "what is YOUR VIEW of divorce and remarriage?"
WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASK A MAN "WHAT IS HIS VIEW" WHEN GOD TOLD YOU HIS VIEW ALREADY?
Read the book of Mark
Read the book of Luke
Use a King James Bible there is no debate on the subject.
I warn you before God
If you follow anyone else other than Jesus, you will end up in Hell
Jesud said I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH, I AM THE LIGHT
No man comes to the father but by me
No one goes to heaven but by me Jesus is saying
Again I warn you to flee your ungodly affair that God sees as adultury
when you stand before God you will not be able to have an excuse because of God's servant warned you that you were going to die and go to hell for sexual sin
JesusGirl Andrew Todd Andrew, Jesus said all remarriage is Adultury. Stop listening to people and ask for an infilling of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said the comforter on the father will send will lead and guide you into all truth.
Satan is very deceptive
Jesus offers NO EXCEPTIONS on divorce and remarriage
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Did you know the Book of Matthew was circulated among the Jews and the Book of Mark and Luke was circulated among the Gentiles
In The Book of Mark and Luke Jesus offers no exception whatsoever
In the Book of Matthew Jesus said that a Jewish man who is betrothed to a virgin and if he finds out she's not a virgin "before" they're married he can put her away. This is why he used the term "fornication".
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Also if you're relying on a modern translation of the Bible you are being deceived by Satan
Did you know the NIV Bible has omitted so many scripture that it's enough to fill 33 small books of the Bible. Did you know places in the NIV that were omitted dealt with worshipping Jesus Christ the blood of Jesus and very important scriptures. Did you know the same company that prints the NIV Bible and most modern Bible translations also produces the Satanic Bible. It comes from the SAME company FACT.
Did you know that ALL PASTORS allowing divorce and remarriage COMPLETELY IGNORE the book of Mark and the book of Luke were Jesud offers NO EXCEPTIONS.
Don't die in your sins
Repent and leave the adulturous affair
Your remarriage is in fact Adultury
Repent of this adultury
Did you know the scripture says what God has joined together no man can put asunder
When you made a covenant till death do you part to the person that was never marry your first wife or husband the GOD recorded your covanant in heaven and joined you as ONE FLESH. No "man" can undo this ONE FLESH that God performed in Heaven.
Jesus said, many will say unto me Lord Lord and Jesus said He will say Depart from me, you worker of iniquity.
The word of God is not popular today and man has tried to redefine God's word for centuries
God defines a marriage as a man with one or more wives (provided each wife has never been married or is widowed)
God will not allow a man to divorce his wife and marry another woman because the man is symbolic of God and the wife is symbolic of isreal.
I plead with you to STOP LISTENING TO MAN, STOP PUTTING YOUR ETERNAL SOUL in the hands of youtube video authors who DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Notice if you have a room full of Christians and if you ask a question about divorce and remarriage you'll get a thousand different answers.
People ask the preacher "what is YOUR VIEW of divorce and remarriage?"
WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASK A MAN "WHAT IS HIS VIEW" WHEN GOD TOLD YOU HIS VIEW ALREADY?
Read the book of Mark
Read the book of Luke
Use a King James Bible there is no debate on the subject.
I warn you before God
If you follow anyone else other than Jesus, you will end up in Hell
Jesud said I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH, I AM THE LIGHT
No man comes to the father but by me
No one goes to heaven but by me Jesus is saying
Again I warn you to flee your ungodly affair that God sees as adultury
when you stand before God you will not be able to have an excuse because of God's servant warned you that you were going to die and go to hell for sexual sin
Each person must study, and I mean study, 1 Corinthians 7 v 15 and allow Gods Spirit to speak. Don’t take any preachers word straight up......seek God’s will yourself. If you are a genuine believer then you too are indwelt with Gods Spirit. If you truly desire to do His will and not just live a comfortable life, then He will guide you.
Divorce is not wrong in every situation, neither is remarriage. BUT it’s really necessary to be sure we understand which circumstances are allowed and if there is any doubt at all....don’t do it! If you proceed either way when you are doubting, then for you it is sin.
Amen.. Preach.. People need to stop arguing and seek God
Right, each case is different. There is a biblical way to engage in conflict. Is not about the outcome but rather your willingness to choose the process on YOUR side of the relationship. That is all you can do. You CANNOT force anyone to be with you. God is not a rapist.
The Lord commands an abandoned husband not to divorce his wife in 1 Corinthians 7:11.
Best comments I've seen out of all the others!
divorce is ok, remarriage is not.....the options are reconcille or remain unmarried...
you need someone to try to convince you that adultery is not an option...so if you are married to a divorced person, you are in adultery, and as such, are risking your eternal life....
Jesus didn't say that "you are in adultery". That wasn't His point. Rather the point was to say that ending a marriage prematurely (divorce) causes one to commit adultery against their former spouse when they remarry (Mark 10:11). This way of committing adultery was the inadvertent consequence of conceding divorce (Matthew 19:8). It was NOT punished because it was unintentional. No "risking your eternal life" on that basis.
Is "eternal life" not eternal according to your interpretation?
Husband was married to a divorced woman and then he divorced her. Then four years later we met and got married. I was very young in the Lord and was newly saved. Didn’t have godly clear discipleship in this. Afterwards we both realized we missed God. Repented. A pastor said God will require us to keep this marriage as unto God. But I do feel guilt at time still even though.even though I Know we are forgiven.
The “”FIRST MARRIAGE VOW””
SHOULD BE KEPT UNTIL DEATH DO THEY PART !!! IF THEY DIVORCE, THEY SHOULD NOT DATE & SHOULD NOT REMARRY...
bdianes, “they” do not usually divorce. “She” usually does, 70% of the time. The abandoned spouse is no longer in bondage, Paul wrote. So stop binding them.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 message...
Please stop making things up.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 Yes, "She" usually does because even though he left her for another woman, he didn't want to pay for a divorce to release her.
Well Pastor, in Ezra, in order to repent of their adulterous remarriages which were an abomination they DIVORCED! Please lead your congregation in Biblical TRUTH instead of appeasing them
amen...he is gone, not....lets see what the next one does, or does not do....
Piper is a churchiosity parrot... giving false hope to deceived people! Vows don't establish a marriage; when a man takes the virginity of a virgin, he creates a marriage bond. (Ex 22, Dt 22)
I totally agree that all True Believers live a life of repentance it's just that your message came off like you could lose your salvation. And please point out in my message what was considered a doctrine of demons?
Ill love you As long as I live is a better song than I'll love you forever ! Heck even old George Jones knew that with "He stopped loving her today "
He has lost all credability halfway through.
Andra Jules why do you say that?
@@jeremyjeremy8795 because he allows people to remain in relationships that even he knows the Bible calls adultery....
Sadly, that's why over the years I've had trouble with Piper...He's solid up to a point on an issue, then halfway through he turns and gets mushy on the issue. That's why I had quit listening to him.
He starts taking a demonic dive into heresy, sounding even Antinomianist, at 59:00 minutes or thereabouts.
Jesusandbible So true!! He is destroying lives!
My wife and I went through a rough start in our marriage and she is divorcing me because she believes it is in Gods will for us to divorce and she is with another man and she has twisted scripture to validate her beliefs. I pray every day for reconciliation and try my best to overcome evil with love and I believe God can work a miracle at any moment. If the divorce goes through, does that make me safe to remarry since I’m the one trying to keep the marriage alive?
I am quite in the same situation. My husband, a covert narcissist, has discarded me. He started an affair with the "Next" without even filing for divorce. She got pregnant and he didn't tell me until I heard it from rumors. I asked him if it is true and he confirmed it and I asked him if he will file for divorce (which would haven been the only right consequence) but he answered that he even had not thought about it. I asked him he wants to move together with the "Next" and his child and he said yes.... so I filed for divorce and am waiting for it. I had also waited several months for a reconciliation, prayed, tried to talk to him, asked for forgivenness... nothing.
Now I wonder am I allowed to remarry? And if he marries the "NExt"? Am I still bound to him till I die? I cannot believe this.
ENA A. There’s nothing that can separate you from the love of God. His grace is sufficient. Of corse you can remarry. He took it too far...
@@enau.7635 the exception is fornication, which is not akin to adultery.....in that view, once a covenant has been established then there is no more exception.....which would mean that you are bound, as long as he lives....
@@iv742617000027 on what Scripture.....
@@philipbuckley759 fornication (greek: porneia) means every sexual activitiy outside marriage and this also includes adultery. And what if he re- marries..? Am I still bound to him...?
If this would be the case, then I should wait for him to repent, leave his new wife and his child and get back to living with me again. This would cause new trauma to his new familiy. God would never want that! Can you undo a desaster and heal broken hearts by creating a new desaster and break new hearts?? No, this is complete absurditiy!!
In Moses it is said that if a husband divorces his wife, and she marries another man, she can never get back to her first husband cause this is a abomination before God. What has been an abomination before God in the old testament is still an abomination before him today!
And by the way, I got to know that he is cheating on his new parter now....! This is pretty sure, I have proof of it. So he IS cheating and fornicating continuously!
But just to make it clear, I am not keen on remarrying as fast as possible. No.... actually being alone does not feel so bad. If God does not want me to marry someone else, so what? .. I will stay alone. I am fine with that.
But I refuse the idea of being bound to a fornicator and adulterer!! Because if I was bound to him this would also mean that I - as I am still his wife - would have to submit myself to him! It is impossible that God does want me to submit myself to an abusive narcissist who does not love me but hates me from the bottom of his heart! .. who fornicates and cheats and messes up all around! This is absurditiy at all!
What if Satan has join the marriage together..My marriage was a marriage from Hell..Every sin was broken...I was 20 years old I did not no..not to divorce. I am so sad and sorry..after 30 years single..I remarried..God for give me..I don't want to go to Hell..
It's easier to blame the evil one despite having made choice to be married. Nowhere does scripture purports Satan involvement in marriage. Let's not give Satan any credence at all at all!! Now, if your original spouse is still alive and you got remarried, then you are living contrary to God's instructions. If your original spouse is dead, then you have been freed from the marital covenant. There is no way God can bless sin i.e. Adultery.
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 1 Samuel 15:22-24 🙏
John piper violates scripture. David killed Uriah and David knew he sinned. John the Baptist judged Herodias and said what he was doing was adultery and he needed to repent. Malachi 2:16 blows your whole statement out of the water. Also Romans 7:3 doesn't support your argument. The law is not done away but fulfilled by Jesus. No adulterer can enter the Kingdom. No new marriage can dissolve an existing covenant. If you have a point ,support it with scripture not emotions.
Absolutely, Apparently you didn't...
Jimmy B., West Gate is not stating that John Piper does not hold to the permanence view of marriage, West Gate is saying that it's unbiblical to believe that God recognizes 2nd and third marriages at all. With this view, if your covenant spouse is still living, all subsequent marriages are adulterous as long as you are living in them because God only recognizes the first covenant marriage... I'm a permanence view gal, but I'm on the fence about all subsequent marriages being a continual state of adultery...
Jimmy B. A covenant is a promise bound by Gods word....Malachi 2;16....Jesus didn't acknowledge the woman's at the wells marriage in John 4....He stated that you have had 5 husbands, and the one you are with is not your husband. Letting her know you are messing this marriage thing up. Also, letting her know that what water she is looking for can't be found in men but rather Jesus only.
Marriage is hard, but it is covenant none the less.
Dear West Gate,
Your position is not politically correct and the fact that your beliefs are based entirely on Scripture puts you at odds with the World.... Isn't that exactly what Jesus told His disciples? We simply must not base our theology on feelings or emotion, but on the NEVER CHANGING word of God. This is our only true moral compass and if we dismiss it we will surely be lost. Remarriage after divorce according to St. Mark chapter 10 is adultery... Those are the words written in red. We simply must trust the words of Jesus over the words of men. Perhaps if someone is lost in sin and gets a divorce and then remarries after conversion God will judge this in a different way than Christians divorcing Christians, BUT I'm not willing to offer anyone advice releasing them from the standards of the Bible as many Pastors do today... They do so at their own peril. God Bless You and Remain standing for the truth.
While in the beginning God's pattern for marriage was that it would be permanent but then sin entered the world and as we go into the old testament and even Jesus quoted that in the beginning it was God's design that it would be permanent but because of man's heart hardening people did get divorced. I am familiar with all the NT passages myself being a pastor of a church for many years and a Christian of 50 years this teacher does misquote some things e.g 1 Corinthians 7 where Paul has been asked a simple question which was asked by new Christians. They asked Paul if it was still ok to be married to an unbeliever or would God now want them to separate. Paul said no stay with it for the reasons that he explained. Sadly many preachers use this passage as an answer for all types of marriage and divorce situations but it can not be used in such a way. Here is not the time for a big teaching but nearly every video I watch on this teaching many even go on to say that if you got married again then you are an adulterer and the marriage should cease. Jesus was asked if a man can put away his wife for "any" reason, any being an important word here where Jesus goes on to refer to God's original intention before sin. Jesus said that adultery would allow a man or woman to divorce. We see King David commit adultery and God forgives him and we see many Christians divorce because sometimes people just don't get on with each other and the marriage fails. When two Christians separate it is a sinful deed just like any sin being no more or less than any sinful deed. When we are saved our sinful nature is changed and we have a new nature but we are still going to do at times a sinful deed and miss the mark because we are still in the flesh. God knows this and the bible says that when we miss the mark that God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This is the one truth that ALL these preachers fail to comfort the saints with that God forgives and when he does we are free to move on and marry again. Many preachers just make these laws and many now live confused about what God thinks and many left violent marriages or marriages that were so horrific that they could not stay. Does God then punish you for the rest of your life and make you live alone when he knows that he meets every human need through your husband or wife. No, no ,no, God is a God who forgives and allows us to move on but many say no he doesn't forgive divorce. Well then God doesn't forgive any sinful deed then. No God forgives and if you are reading this looking for answers because you are remarried or divorced know that God didn't want you to fail but if you confess to God that you missed the mark ( sinned) he is faithful to forgive and don't let anyone tell you otherwise because God's word is the authority and God forgives.
Racism is the same sin as Divorce.
so repent then,,,,
Ok, I have a question. I posted this on another video as well and haven’t received an answer. So, I am divorced. My ex had an affair. We tried to work it out but he kept doing it. He got remarried and has three other children (we have two together from our marriage). So, obviously our divorce was biblical. So, what I am hearing is that I can’t remarry? He cheated, is remarried and denies his faith but I am not to remarry? I don’t see how our just Lord would punish someone in my situation. That doesn’t make sense to me?
Another question, if people are remarried and they hear that this makes them adulterers, what are they to do? Divorce is a sin so what can they do? Does God just not recognize that marriage? If so, where in the Bible does it say any of this? Anyone that had any helpful answers would be appreciated!
The best place to find your answers is in the written word of God because he will teach you *then* he will use man/men to confirm what he's teaching you other than seeking answers from man first then going God's word second. The word of God is very clear on that, may the Spirit of God teach you, he guides us into all truth. *John **16:13*
Read Matthew 5....where if one divorces, their spouse, with no fornication, and marries another.....it makes his spouse, the innocent partner, a victim of adultery...
divorce in this sense is a legal term....that frees one from adultery....it is not the divorce that attempts to invalidate a legitimate covenant....
@@philipbuckley759 so does that mean the victim of adultery is no longer bound and hence the victim is now allowed to remarry? Just trying to understand
In Matthew 19:9 Jesus gives an exception for divorce and remarriage in the case a spouse committed sexual immorality (adultery).
Could the woman at the well's 5 husbands have died?OR some of them? ....However....even SO...it isnt WRITTEN that Jesus gave her instructions regarding what to do anout her marriage condition.
Another thing that is said is to STAY in the position we were called IN 1Corinths 7:17...SO ....IF people were ALLREADY "seperated " would that mean to STAY seperated??
Mary Faithfull, no because a slave can buy his freedom if given the opportunity. He is no longer enslaved. He should be content either way. If a kid is saved at 14, he should never remarry and live with his parents forever?
Using the slavery analogy, Paul writes that a person whose unbelieving wife or husband leaves is no longer in bondage. To the marriage. Period. A free slave is certainly free to enter another period of servitude with a new household. Or to sell his services however he wishes. That's what "no longer in bondage means." It means a person divorced from a sexually perverse spouse, or abandoned by an unbeliever, can remarry. The "no remarriage" doctrine is made up by cheaters, for cheaters.
Some ask, should a remarried person leave when they know they've errored. Ezra 10 gives the answer.
West Gate, Ezra 10 is about marrying pagan wives. Unbelievers. That’s all it’s about. It literally doesn’t say anything about an unbelieving spouse leaving you or cheating and what happens next. But Paul does. He says you are no longer bound.
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 I think you misinterpret the meaning of "bound'. Please read this article: www.christiancourier.com/articles/683-what-is-the-meaning-of-not-under-bondage-1-cor-7-15
I have done much research on this, as it applies to me. I would rather err on the side of caution than be in for a horrifyingly rude awakening when I face the Lord.
@@KJ-kn2ph I did what you did. if I error, I error on the side of staying single. Best advice I've heard on this subject is to not move forward with a remarriage unless God gives you the ok....
@@3n197 Yes, but it would have to be an undeniable OK from our Lord. Don't get me wrong - I am saddened to think that I will not know a touch, or a hug, or a kiss for THE REST OF MY LIFE. However, obedience to the Lord is of greater importance. Easier said than done.
@@KJ-kn2ph I know what you are saying but we gotta keep our eye on the prize right....praying for you to have peace...
You seem to have attempted to teach me that God makes some sort of special dispensation towards the commitment of adulterous second and beyond marriages. Dear sir before God sin is sin and that cannot be changed. There is adultery in remarriage of divorced people and God will not accept it. Listen to me please. God will not accept it. You skipped when you should have stood firm. The only way to stop that adulterous marriage is to dissolve it.
And are you married?
@@grateful1929 is that revelant, to the subject matter....
@@philipbuckley759 Yes, it is.
@@grateful1929 it does not change the teaching......adultery is adultery....if one wants to stay and pay the consequences, then what can any one else say...
@@philipbuckley759 Please go away. You aren't my Lord.
Did he just say Deuteronomy 24:1 was written by Moses, against the will of God, so Jesus voided it?
Please pray for John Piper.
So I stumbled upon this message due to the heartache that has gripped my life. My story is rather complicated but in a nutshell my wife was granted a divorce 16 years ago and at the time I was ready to give up the fight. Three years ago we tried reconciling our relationship and once again I allowed the devil into our lives to destroy our chance at remarrying. She has again left after I should have been and humble enough to make sure that this didn't happen. I would love to say that I don't long to once again belong, to give my heart to another but I'm not wired for that. I pray that the good Lord will have mercy on her and I and it is His well to once again and forever bring us together. If this is not the Lords will then I will more than likely spend my remaining years alone.
1:02:12 "Vows even when they are made unwisely, generally should be kept in the bible"
He is WRONG about this. Leviticus 5:4-6 Or if a person swears thoughtlessly with his lips to do evil or to do good, in whatever matter a man may speak thoughtlessly with an oath, and it is hidden from him, and then he comes to know it, he will be guilty in one of these. 5 So it shall be when he becomes guilty in one of these, that he shall confess that in which he has sinned. 6 He shall also bring his guilt offering to the Lord for his sin which he has committed, a female from the flock, a lamb or a goat as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement on his behalf for his sin.
His quoting of Psalm 15:4 is not an excuse for adultery. With this logic a homosexual can just swear a vow and it would be binding. God does not honor sin as binding. If sin is sin, every example is scripture is to run away from that sin.
The women who was caught in the midst of adultery in John 8. Notice Jesus shows her grace and doesn't stone her as the Law commanded (the Law by the way that the Trinity put together). Yet it ends with "Go now and LEAVE your life of sin". Jesus doesn't take her place on the cross for her to continue in her adultery. So what would make us think what he calls adultery that would be acceptable to live in it?
Piper is close to the truth but unwilling to pull the trigger on the reality of scripture.
How would Piper advice a gay marriage when they come to Christ? They split.
What about a man who married his sister? They should split
What about a man with multiple wive? He should only have the first
Why do we give tough love to other areas of sexual sin by abandon remarriage adultery?
The early Church was in unanimous agreement that remarriage was not allowed and was sin. You couldn't be a part of a Church if you were remarried. It was considered adultery. It wasn't until Luther unfortunately believed that marriage was not something that was the church's business but handed it over to the state.
As a protestant myself, we have lost the reality of what adultery is. Instead of sticking with the hard standing of truth despite a changing culture, we have caved into cultures sin and have accepted the divorced and remarried.
His other point about the women at the well also made no sense to me. How does he know the previous 5 husbands didnt' die? He assumes she got divorced and remarried though the text doesn't say that.
Piper is close to the truth but unwilling to pull the trigger: 1) the spouse of a cheating or sexually immoral person is divorced. Period. A certificate of divorce specifically said "This person is free to remarry." You don't think God knows what a certificate of divorce is?
And 2) returning to the original spouse after a remarriage is an abomination.
What would happen to the additional wives after he returned to the first?
@@lindenhouseeditingservices5236 1) So when Jesus says when you lust in your heart you have already committed adultery are we to conclude that basically every person is divorced?
Also Jesus makes clear that anyone who marries a divorce person commits adultery. Therefore he doesn't believe the divorce is actually binding.
2). Old Covenant, and why was it an abomination? Because when a woman was divorced she was given back her dowry from the husband. If she married another man she would also get money from him. The first husband who is then interested in the free money from the other husband would want to remarry her and get all that inheritance. This is an abomination.
God's heart is never for divorce, and if you are, you are not to get remarried.
You are wrong about homosexuals having to keep that vow. You cannot keep a marriage covenant between a man and a man or a woman and a woman because those do not fulfill a marriage covenant in God’s eyes. In God’s word a marriage is between a man and a woman.
You are wrong about the woman at the well. Read it in context, everyone agrees that she was an adulterous woman having five husbands and one man. That’s not a debated topic.
Jesus gives two exceptions for divorce and remarriage. Getting divorced in these cases do not lead to sin. God who says He detests divorce gave these exceptions. So we have no right to put a millstone around believer’s neck when God has freed them from being enslaved in these cases
“"It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE '; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”
Matthew 5:31-32 NASB
bible.com/100/mat.5.31-32.nasb
I believe it's important to know all of what Jesus says about any subject and not only bits and pieces. Jesus clearly doesn't want anyone to divorce and God hates divorce, but Jesus also says "except for the reason of unchastity" or unfaithfulness. From what I understand the party who was cheated on is the innocent party and is allowed to divorce. Why? Because our hearts can be hard.
“Jesus replied, "Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because your hearts are unyielding. But it wasn’t that way from the beginning. I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."”
Matthew 19:8-9 CEB
bible.com/37/mat.19.8-9.ceb
Sexual unfaithfulness allows divorce although I'm sure Jesus would want the innocent party to forgive and the guilty party to stop and repent so the marriage could continue. It's important to tell the entirety of what is said.
the actual verse says fornication...which is sex before marriage ...... any unfaithfulness thereafter you are to show mercy as your heavenly father has shown you otherwise your sin also shall remain and your bridgroom shall depart from you
www.desiringgod.org/articles/on-divorce-and-remarriage-in-the-event-of-adultery
Jesus said if at all possible be like HIM. Single ! I've been married 4 times . Each about 10 years apart . #1 got hooked on meth and left me , #2 got a high paying job in Iraq and didnt come back home #3 was a good man and I was at fault and I still regret leaving #4 was a textbook narcicist and tried to destroy me and I gave my heart and soul to him, even over God I'm sad to say bc he had to be my God and nothing could be above this man . I guess I am an adulterer once out of the 4 marriages . Today I am single and happy for 4 years now ! I'm almost the woman at the well except 4 hudbands and I. Not living with a man and will not ! I'm very happy with Jesus as my husband
I feel the same way about my first husband not so much for the husbands after