I would happily shell out the extra for a Toyota or Suzuki over a Ford or Land Rover because it will be in the shop every 10 years instead of every 10 weeks.
Our self charging RAV4 cost 35k and is excellent, the mpg is an average of 55mpg, the car is great to drive and as you would expect from a Toyota very well built.
Remember, this cars don't have a conventional CVT, these have a much more reliable and efficient eCVT, which has 2 electric motors and a power split device along with other several gears [planetary gear set] that connects them to the wheels and ICE.
Exactly which he should actually know better since in other videos he even mentions how unreliable and poor resale value the RR brand has and yet in this comparison he says over and over how much better the RR's are versus the Rav4 and A-Cross but an owner of a Rav4 or A-Cross will be much better off 5 years down the road than on owner of an RR so he just looses a lot of credibility when he tries to make that comparison given the facts and it seems just from reading the comment section that a lot of other people have noticed that as well.
I've heard a lot of people say that and I agree as well. The toyota front looks too much like a scowl. If I were offered my choice of either one I'd go for the Suzuki version since they are nearly identical in every other way.
The lack of understanding when it comes to eCVT gearboxes is staggering. He’s not the only one, there are so many on the his platform who blatantly refused to do their research.
Nissan X Trail - 9 months turn around from order to complete. Renault Austral 6 months... Toyota Rav4 3 months. Suzuki Across 6 weeks. All 4 are excellent hybrids.. Priced roughly the same and milage is good 50+ Honestly I'd prefer the Rav4 or the Austral, but the X Trail and Across are nice too. I'll probably get the Across tho.
The Suzuki is selling about 5k euro less than the same rav4 on the used market in Germany. Plus you can an across preregistered in Italy for about 38k Euro, which is pretty good
The RAV 4 has ten year warranty in the uk and the hybrid battery has a 15 year warranty. I don’t now what warranty the Range Rover has but it won’t be that good. I have friends that have run discoveries one has done over 120000 miles with no problems. Another’s diesel, V6 blew up after 3 1/2 years the crank snapped there’s no way that would happen in a Toyota.
I wouldn’t go near electric or plug in hybrid. It would be petrol, diesel or full hybrid for me. The new Toyota Yaris Cross hybrid looks well. It’s very good on fuel and low co2 emissions.
Small screen? It is a plus for me. Try to drive in the dark on a dark road with the risk of collisions with deer or moose. You don’t want a big screen with a lot of light
@@scottsparky1 sure, but what is the point with a screen that you have to turn of. Dimming a big LED screen to minimum is still a big light source. Alfa Romeo is still making cars with real buttons and real gauges. Their approach is the best.
282.4 mpg , well, actually, the trouble is, it is possible. That is, most people never drive more than 15 or 20 miles a day regularly. So if you buy a RAV 4 PHEV secondhand you get the savings and a 3 year old model has taken the depreciation hit. You can get them for around £30,000 but be careful as the thieving government here in the UK whacks you for massive car tax even on a low emission PHEV.
Never get the complains about the CVT. The times you need to accelerate to the allowed speed. No matter, town or highway is quite small. So the "noise" from high revs is very neglectable.
I think Toyota need for this model just option for different interior colors. Don't know why PHEV is mostly if not only in black interior. Some 2-3 colors would make this car look way better than black only.
Oh, and of course, in the UK, because the starting price is over £40k, for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th years you'll pay an additional £410 on top of the £180 annual road tax. (2024 comment)
Now Feb 2023, and you can’t order any RAV4 PHEV (In the UK). Existing customers who placed orders from a year ago are still waiting for delivery,and advised it will be another 8 months wait at least. It maybe a great car, but Toyota cannot supply them…
So your a guy or a gal in their mid/late 50s looking to buy a car that will last them well into retirement, say 15-20 years,, a Rav4 yes, a Land Rover ?????? Nope.. in retirement most grounded normal peeps have a limited budget on repairs. A land Rover would have been scraped a while a go!!@
weird that the Suzuki doesn't charge as quick, also i've noticed the Across has a heated steering wheel as standard yet you don't appear to even get the option on any Toyota UK model
For phev economy it is crucial to have heatpump for heating otherwise forget about not using petrol for 6 months even safely within range. But thats not all, heatpump is so weak at say -10c. So it is a compromise anyway.
Agreed, I think the Indian government needs to require higher standards for the Indian market. So many cars built and sold in India from many brands are nowhere as safe as they should be. The thing is, this would not just benefit India but also many other countries where cars made in India are now exported to.
@@JA-rn5qvthere are already so many cars which are manufactured in India and exported to Europe. And those cars are wayyy better in quality and safety than their equivalent models sold in the India market. “Made in India” is not the problem. “Made for India” is the problem!
What Car? Drinking Game Drink whenever the following is mentioned - "Soft touch plastics" - Disappointment over a lack of physical buttons - Comparing to a Volkswagen Group car (drink again if only comparisons are to Volkswagen Group cars) - Mentions of the unrivalled Tesla charging network - "Plans for a hybrid and/or electric model" - Car's dimensions have grown for some reason - Presenter mentions their height when they are sitting in the rear seat
Erm why is this not being compared to the Peugeot phev 3008 the 225 and 300hp I’m getting 70mpg and 30 miles of electric atm real world. Looks stunning interiors is incredible just be the 3008 much cheaper too
The same point in Toyota selling many Suzuki vehicles with a Toyota badge on it. It allows both companies to acheive certain goals they many in specific regions where they can leverage from an existing platform of the other company without having to invest in yet another new model including testing, regulations, fees, etc. This has been going on between car companies for many decades and in many cases it makes a lot of sense. In this specific case it allows Suzuki additional brand name presence in a category/region for which is doesn't already have an equivalent vehicle available and it also helps Suzuki to meet and stay current with the latest fuel economy standards while it works on re-engineering some of it's outgoing engine designs which were no longer compliant with the newest standards. It's a win/win situation all the way around.
What is availability like? In Canada where I live, Toyota cannot meet demand, even before when the pandemic hit. Order wait times at the time I post this for the RAV4 Prime PHEV can be as much as two years 😭
Yeah it’s the same here, although there are more PHEVs in stock. There are absolutely no self charging hybrid rav 4s until next year. I think it is because of a chip shortage for the ECUs
@@archiemoffat473 regular RAV4 hybrids are still available here without major wait times… at least for now? But the dealer forecourts in my area for most brands are looking very bare 😓
@@fabulousprofound But then many of the regular RAV4's that are available the dealers are price gouging adding many thousands to the MSRP because of the global shortage across the board.
@@fabulousprofound Yup but I'm having none of that. I won't play that game with them so I will continue to drive my current vehicle until this whole situation settles out.
Great review...very indepth! This was like reading the manual but more fun :) Do people even read manuals anymore though...lol. Great job on your video :)
It's lovely. But at 45 grand for a Suzuki - it's a BIG ask. Realistically, it's more like a 30 grand car. Maybe 35. It's not 45 grand's worth of desirable. As the reviewer points out - that's really Land Rover money. Not Suzuki Money. The Toyota is actually cheaper........ The lexus isn't much more. Just. No.
I dont like those kind of reviews, no engine showed, what Japanese used a new techs there, bla bla bla interior is good bla bla bla kuga cheaper, blalala it's fast, dislike
Larger battery, longer overall range. Though electric cars are catching-up. When a electric car can do 600 miles and top up in less than 50 minutes then it will be a serious option. Also wondering Why Honda and Toyota are not on the band wagon yet.
What the point, you need an economic car around town, get to work, shops just your daily commute, 30 to 40 miles per day is enough on electric, and then you get the range of a diesel car without diesel car problems, it's very simple
Why is anyone even bothering to design or make fossil fuel driven cars anymore? Only people with no care for the environment, future laws and money to burn would bother… buy fully electric or buy second hand. Manufacturing of all petrols, diesels and hybrids should cease right now. Such a waste of materials and energy given future changes. They just want to keep making 💰 sad
All Suzuki needs to do is to make an electric Jimny with modern interior. Instant $tonks.
I wish they had Suzuki in the states. I would buy that thing in no time. Suzuki has the best reliability of the Japanese cars
I would happily shell out the extra for a Toyota or Suzuki over a Ford or Land Rover because it will be in the shop every 10 years instead of every 10 weeks.
Our self charging RAV4 cost 35k and is excellent, the mpg is an average of 55mpg, the car is great to drive and as you would expect from a Toyota very well built.
@@jim2111 the 1.5 turbo engine in CR-V is not particularly reliable nor powerful, and CVT is far from being a great match for the engine
@@jasonyu6649 uujuhuu
@@jasonyu6649 huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Do you get 55mpg with charging the battery or without
Remember, this cars don't have a conventional CVT, these have a much more reliable and efficient eCVT, which has 2 electric motors and a power split device along with other several gears [planetary gear set] that connects them to the wheels and ICE.
You saying that a evoque and a disco is more smooth than that? I think you mean smoother unreliability.
Nice one😂
Reliable unreliability, Range Rover, always fucks you over
@@vnsolbk I know.
Would not touch a Range Rover Evoque or Land Rover.
Exactly which he should actually know better since in other videos he even mentions how unreliable and poor resale value the RR brand has and yet in this comparison he says over and over how much better the RR's are versus the Rav4 and A-Cross but an owner of a Rav4 or A-Cross will be much better off 5 years down the road than on owner of an RR so he just looses a lot of credibility when he tries to make that comparison given the facts and it seems just from reading the comment section that a lot of other people have noticed that as well.
10 years warranty on the Toyota is have it serviced 7 years on the Suzuki, 3 years on the Landrover says it all
I like both but the Suzuki look better from the front.
I've heard a lot of people say that and I agree as well. The toyota front looks too much like a scowl. If I were offered my choice of either one I'd go for the Suzuki version since they are nearly identical in every other way.
I would drive a DONKEY over any Ranges 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I get quality and long lasting with Toyota
The lack of understanding when it comes to eCVT gearboxes is staggering. He’s not the only one, there are so many on the his platform who blatantly refused to do their research.
It's hard to compare these two brands to the bottom of the barrel reliability of the rovers.
Yes, I could buy a JLR hybrid, but I’m not a motoring journalist so I prefer to reliably get where I’m going. Every time. RAV4 for me.
You always talk about Land Rover but in terms of Depreciation and overall reliability is one of the worst on the market
Not to forget the unreliability
You tried really hard to make these cars look bad. Thankfully, there are other reviews on UA-cam, so I saw how great they are!
There is no CVT in Toyota hybrids. It's planetary gear set.
Called an ecvt
Nissan X Trail - 9 months turn around from order to complete. Renault Austral 6 months... Toyota Rav4 3 months. Suzuki Across 6 weeks. All 4 are excellent hybrids.. Priced roughly the same and milage is good 50+ Honestly I'd prefer the Rav4 or the Austral, but the X Trail and Across are nice too. I'll probably get the Across tho.
The Suzuki is selling about 5k euro less than the same rav4 on the used market in Germany. Plus you can an across preregistered in Italy for about 38k Euro, which is pretty good
I like the looks of the RAV4 much better.
The RAV 4 has ten year warranty in the uk and the hybrid battery has a 15 year warranty. I don’t now what warranty the Range Rover has but it won’t be that good. I have friends that have run discoveries one has done over 120000 miles with no problems. Another’s diesel, V6 blew up after 3 1/2 years the crank snapped there’s no way that would happen in a Toyota.
I wouldn’t go near electric or plug in hybrid. It would be petrol, diesel or full hybrid for me. The new Toyota Yaris Cross hybrid looks well. It’s very good on fuel and low co2 emissions.
The plug in hybrid is a full hydrid just with another battery
Imagine paying just shy of £50k for a new 4x4 and find it has no sat nav built in
Would be nice if we got the Harrier here, especially with that powertrain, a proper Evoque competitor
I feel like car reviewers should factor in the £10k you need to keep in the bank for repairs when recommending Range Rovers
Small screen? It is a plus for me. Try to drive in the dark on a dark road with the risk of collisions with deer or moose. You don’t want a big screen with a lot of light
in all cars you can turn the screen off or dim it right down for night time use
@@scottsparky1 sure, but what is the point with a screen that you have to turn of. Dimming a big LED screen to minimum is still a big light source. Alfa Romeo is still making cars with real buttons and real gauges. Their approach is the best.
Same price as a Discovery sport !? Whaaaat
RAV4 all the way I loved my RAV4 sad it's gone 😢
The improved Range Rover interior would be something to appreciate while you're sat in the drivers seat..not moving anywhere!
Cash for land rovers? Not a good idea
agree. people are smart these days they don't want to spend money on a car breaking down.
3:10 you compare that to a Sorrento??? Have you seen it, it's hugh. Like comparing a Honda Cr-v with a Honda Pilot!!!
282.4 mpg , well, actually, the trouble is, it is possible. That is, most people never drive more than 15 or 20 miles a day regularly. So if you buy a RAV 4 PHEV secondhand you get the savings and a 3 year old model has taken the depreciation hit. You can get them for around £30,000 but be careful as the thieving government here in the UK whacks you for massive car tax even on a low emission PHEV.
Never get the complains about the CVT. The times you need to accelerate to the allowed speed. No matter, town or highway is quite small. So the "noise" from high revs is very neglectable.
Can you review brand new Jaguar F pace
I think Toyota need for this model just option for different interior colors. Don't know why PHEV is mostly if not only in black interior. Some 2-3 colors would make this car look way better than black only.
How do they compare to a Hyundai Tucson PHEV? Would think that one is a way better buy than any other medium SUV?
Tuscan does 35 miles compared to the Arabs 45 and Tuscan is lower insurance group.
Toyota excellent quality
Oh, and of course, in the UK, because the starting price is over £40k, for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th years you'll pay an additional £410 on top of the £180 annual road tax. (2024 comment)
Now Feb 2023, and you can’t order any RAV4 PHEV (In the UK). Existing customers who placed orders from a year ago are still waiting for delivery,and advised it will be another 8 months wait at least. It maybe a great car, but Toyota cannot supply them…
So your a guy or a gal in their mid/late 50s looking to buy a car that will last them well into retirement, say 15-20 years,, a Rav4 yes, a Land Rover ?????? Nope.. in retirement most grounded normal peeps have a limited budget on repairs. A land Rover would have been scraped a while a go!!@
weird that the Suzuki doesn't charge as quick, also i've noticed the Across has a heated steering wheel as standard yet you don't appear to even get the option on any Toyota UK model
Well you do on the Excel trim of the RAV4
Informative 👌🏽I order rav4 prime but the issue 8 moth to wait
For phev economy it is crucial to have heatpump for heating otherwise forget about not using petrol for 6 months even safely within range. But thats not all, heatpump is so weak at say -10c. So it is a compromise anyway.
What’s a heat pump?
It does have a heat pump. You can pre heat or cool the cabin when the when the car is on charge.
Does the Suzuki offer JBL as the Toyota does?
The Europeans are getting a great Suzuki product but The Indians are getting a compromised Toyota.
Agreed, I think the Indian government needs to require higher standards for the Indian market. So many cars built and sold in India from many brands are nowhere as safe as they should be. The thing is, this would not just benefit India but also many other countries where cars made in India are now exported to.
@@JA-rn5qvthere are already so many cars which are manufactured in India and exported to Europe. And those cars are wayyy better in quality and safety than their equivalent models sold in the India market. “Made in India” is not the problem. “Made for India” is the problem!
Get it on lease for about £450 a month 10k miles for 2 years then give it back.
I like both cars
What Car? Drinking Game
Drink whenever the following is mentioned
- "Soft touch plastics"
- Disappointment over a lack of physical buttons
- Comparing to a Volkswagen Group car (drink again if only comparisons are to Volkswagen Group cars)
- Mentions of the unrivalled Tesla charging network
- "Plans for a hybrid and/or electric model"
- Car's dimensions have grown for some reason
- Presenter mentions their height when they are sitting in the rear seat
Which is cheaper ?
The Suzuki if you compare it to the Toyota with full options
Cut the background music please.
I prefer the across. The front design looks better
Erm why is this not being compared to the Peugeot phev 3008 the 225 and 300hp I’m getting 70mpg and 30 miles of electric atm real world. Looks stunning interiors is incredible just be the 3008 much cheaper too
Whats the point in putting Suzuki badge instead of Toyota? Did they sell the patern?
The same point in Toyota selling many Suzuki vehicles with a Toyota badge on it. It allows both companies to acheive certain goals they many in specific regions where they can leverage from an existing platform of the other company without having to invest in yet another new model including testing, regulations, fees, etc. This has been going on between car companies for many decades and in many cases it makes a lot of sense. In this specific case it allows Suzuki additional brand name presence in a category/region for which is doesn't already have an equivalent vehicle available and it also helps Suzuki to meet and stay current with the latest fuel economy standards while it works on re-engineering some of it's outgoing engine designs which were no longer compliant with the newest standards. It's a win/win situation all the way around.
What is availability like? In Canada where I live, Toyota cannot meet demand, even before when the pandemic hit. Order wait times at the time I post this for the RAV4 Prime PHEV can be as much as two years 😭
Yeah it’s the same here, although there are more PHEVs in stock. There are absolutely no self charging hybrid rav 4s until next year. I think it is because of a chip shortage for the ECUs
@@archiemoffat473 regular RAV4 hybrids are still available here without major wait times… at least for now? But the dealer forecourts in my area for most brands are looking very bare 😓
@@fabulousprofound But then many of the regular RAV4's that are available the dealers are price gouging adding many thousands to the MSRP because of the global shortage across the board.
@@JA-rn5qv it’s gotten worse since my original post. Wait times have increased to three years minimum. At that point there will be a new redesign 🤦♂️
@@fabulousprofound Yup but I'm having none of that. I won't play that game with them so I will continue to drive my current vehicle until this whole situation settles out.
Great review...very indepth! This was like reading the manual but more fun :) Do people even read manuals anymore though...lol. Great job on your video :)
Both too expensive.
I wouldn't touch the land rover or ford with a bargepole. They'll be scrap before this car has lost half it's value.
If suzuki and toyota collabs, Toyota must start making motorcycle by using suzuki's platform as well to compete with Honda.
Yes and the Range Rover or Land Rover and the Toyota reliability and longevity? Yep Toyota all day long
Suzuki should focus on Jimny
Modernize the jimmy. Suzuki
They're working on it including a 4-door Jimny. The Global Slowdown hasn't helped though, hopefully that all blows over soon.
They're the same car. Across IS a RAV4 just rebadged
we saw the video…
@@kristians2704 lol he’s smarter than all of us
@@joey-pn3xe 😂
At least they have different là exterior
You must be crazy to recommend the unreliable Land Rover versus these extremely reliable SUVs
A land rover, junk..
range rover's are the best looking SUVs imo., espacially the Velar.
@@kristians2704 Least reliable though
@@deklore they’re getting better
@@Alex-jn1ez Still Range Rovers are not reliable, and are terribly inefficient too.
@@hedgehogthesonic3181 i agree but they’re improving slightly
They're the same bloody car!
Reviewing a Toyota without mentioning reliability and quality is quite foolish.
It's lovely. But at 45 grand for a Suzuki - it's a BIG ask. Realistically, it's more like a 30 grand car. Maybe 35. It's not 45 grand's worth of desirable. As the reviewer points out - that's really Land Rover money. Not Suzuki Money. The Toyota is actually cheaper........ The lexus isn't much more.
Just. No.
46 mpg lol. Environment!? Oh yeah maybe next time. Specs of a bus. :}
46mpg is 18.7 km per liter of fuel. That's not the specs of a bus.
It is possible to get up to 50+ MPG with these vehicles no doubt.
£50k for a badge engineered Suzuki? Nope!
I dont like those kind of reviews, no engine showed, what Japanese used a new techs there, bla bla bla interior is good bla bla bla kuga cheaper, blalala it's fast, dislike
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This is a thoroughly naive un researched unprofessional review by someone with zero comprehension
Ffffffffff fifty grand 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯…..errr that’s a nope from me.
Don't see the point in a plug in hybrid
I completely agree with you , rather go for the conventional 'self charging' Hybrid . Not worth the extra £10k.
Larger battery, longer overall range. Though electric cars are catching-up. When a electric car can do 600 miles and top up in less than 50 minutes then it will be a serious option. Also wondering Why Honda and Toyota are not on the band wagon yet.
@@UncleMcTouchyBottom Honda has their Honda E which is EV
What the point, you need an economic car around town, get to work, shops just your daily commute, 30 to 40 miles per day is enough on electric, and then you get the range of a diesel car without diesel car problems, it's very simple
The suzuki IS a rav4 just with a suzuki badge and a new nose ! Yet more expensive than the Toyota ?
Who in there right mind would buy a combustion car go straight to ev
Basically everyone...
Why is anyone even bothering to design or make fossil fuel driven cars anymore? Only people with no care for the environment, future laws and money to burn would bother… buy fully electric or buy second hand. Manufacturing of all petrols, diesels and hybrids should cease right now. Such a waste of materials and energy given future changes. They just want to keep making 💰 sad