"and the screams...went on for some time...." that poor man. They didn't know what PTSD was but you can tell, even in his quite proper and formal speaking style, that he still hears those screams. And he was in charge. God bless you sir.
According to witnesses on the Carpathia, the moment Boxhall came aboard was one of the most heartbreaking moments of the night because of what Boxhall told them. The first question Captain Rostron asked Boxhall was, “Where is the Titanic?” Boxhall simply replied, “Gone.” Somebody shouted in disbelief, “Did you say…Gone?!” Boxhall said, “Yes. Foundered before 2:30 AM.” Captain Rostron said in an interview he felt sick to his stomach when he heard that. After asking about the lifeboats and if all got away, Rostron asked, “Were there still people stuck on the ship on when it sank?” Boxhall lost control of his emotions and shouted in despair, “Hundreds!!!! They all went down!! Maybe a thousand…” The Carpathia crew was beyond shocked with the horrible numbers Boxhall just said. “…maybe more.” Boxhall continued, his voice quivering. At that point, he burst into tears, and Rostron tried to comfort him. 😢
wow, that's terrible. captain rostron is a hero! he put his ship and passengers in danger steaming to titanic..I always wondered where did these 705 survivors sleep?
@@ArronP They slept in the cabins they were given on the Carpathia. The Carpathia was occupied by approximately 240 crew members and 460 passengers during her big rescue dash for the Titanic and they selflessly gave up their warm clothes blankets, and cabins for all of the Titanic’s survivors.
The Captain of the Carpathia had STOPPED on the moonless night to avoid iceburgs, Then put 24 Men as lookouts (not 2) to steam straight for the Titanic, weaving around iceburgs and only slowing as they neared because of ICE. If he had been Captain of the Titanic, he would have stopped her and waited until daylight and had 24 Men as lookouts.
We can't know that for certain. Had he been in command of the Tianic, he would have faced different expectations. On another topic, I find it interesting that the lookouts on Carpathia's forecastle spotted the bergs before anyone else. In fairness to the White Star Line, they employed people to work sepcifically as lookouts where other lines did not.
No he hadn;t there was no Ice on the Carpathia's path. He was doing his 14 knot full speed - until the message came through. Where did you get the information that Carpathia was stopped? Californian was stopped - Passenger ships do not stop - as Rostron stated in his 1931 interview
Sometimes Cameron's film supplies the images and sometimes it's earlier productions such as A Night To Remember. Great selection based on the pathos of the scenes concerned.
I found a book written maybe 30 or 40 years ago that attempted to put the story of the Titanic together from the inquiries done on both side of the atlantic. It wasn't written to be entertaining but it was very informative with eyewitness testimony with a few "updated" information as time carried on. This video was of course far more fascinating hearing directly from someone who lived thru it
A very nicely put together video: the combo of appropriate film clips to match whatever part of the story he was telling made it very gripping. Thank you.
Very creepy that they sailed around in the dark still water without seeing it, but hearing the ice all around them. That combined with what had just occurred with the Titanic is almost horror movie stuff.
There are far too many naval and historical so called "experts" commenting on this video. You should be grateful you had the chance to listen to someone who was there.
My Great grandmother was a very close dear friend with Mr Boxhall and I have a lot of postcards and letters to my great grandmother from him. My Great grandmother was born in England and moved to the United States at age 15. My grandmother said that my great grandmother called Mr Boxhall her Beau. I also had a distant cousin on the Titanic named Daniel Warner Marvin II. Who was coming back from his honeymoon. His wife and unborn child did survive but unfortunately Daniel did not. Daniel and I share the same surname.
The timeline is insane. 11:45 or so iceg hits. 2:00 am people are jumping into the water. 2:20 warch dies indicating 20 mins in the water for a survivor. By 2:30 he is picked up. By 3:00-3:30 everyone is frozen dead in the ocean. Only 6 survivors pulled out of the water. At 3:55 the first boat is reached. No one speaks about just how close they all were to survival. They always talk about how badly it was. Yet they were only 30 minutes to an hour away from living if they could have just stayed above the water a little longer, or if the water had been a little warmer, or if they wore more clothes, where is the bulkheads have been higher, or if it hit one less compartment. Literally everything that was supposed to go wrong that night came for them. It was almost as if the hand of death reached out to take this ship no matter what. Of course there are no special forces in the world, it was just a bunch of mathematical coincidences that will happen at the same time due to a bunch of decisions that had been happening prior to that. The construction of the ship, the speed that they were going, the failure to alert to ice, etc. Had everything been done and the laws have been in place correctly even with everything that went wrong every one of them could have survived. It just takes people using common sense.
Have you read the secret of a steering error from the helmsman piloting the Titanic the night she went down? Look for this revelation by 2nd officer Lightollers granddaughter Lady Louise Patten she tells the tale of how and why the truth was never revealed. 2010 is the date to look for .
Or the incident with the New York. If they would’ve been hit by the New York, the maiden voyage would’ve been interrupted in the first place and they would’ve sailed maybe a few weeks later when there wouldn’t have been no ice field. It’s like you said: Titanic was just fixed on its path of death with no other outcome for it.
There has often been speculation as to whether, if there had been a second row of boats, inboard from those in the davits (which is how Titanic was originally designed) there would have been time to launch them all. As it is, the boats which were already in the davits were only just launched in time. To launch any inboard boats, the davits would have had to have been swung inboard, the ropes pulled up again and fixed to the other boats and then the davits would have had to have been swung out for the boats to have been launched. There would probably not have been time for all of this, although if there had been a second row of boats on the deck and the fixings had been removed, they would probably have floated free and some of those in the water might have found their way to them. What is surprising is that some passenger liners of the time did have life rafts, however, those designing the Titanic, for some reason, decided that life rafts were a dangerous way of evacuating passengers (they had to be thrown into the water and the passengers would then have to climb down rope ladders to reach them). However, once again, if there had been life rafts stored on the decks and the fastenings had been removed, they would have floated free to provide a refuge for those thrown into the sea. There is a similar account from Lightoller - he says that, in his opinion, if the iceberg had not been spotted and Titanic had run head on into it, then it would almost certainly have survived, as then only the first two, or possibly, three, compartments would have been flooded and it could have remained afloat, if not permanently, then, certainly, for very much longer, until the Carpathia finally arrived. Finally, of course, there is the question of the Californian. For some reason, it did not occur to anyone on the Titanic to fire the distress rockets horizontally, towards the Californian. The rockets were fired into the air. The officer on duty on the Californian almost certainly concluded that Titanic had stopped for safety and that it was firing rockets to warn the Californian of its presence to prevent a collision. This is consistent with the facts - the Californian sailed towards the Titanic and would soon have come alongside it if it had maintained its course - on seeing the rockets, it assumed that the Titanic was warning it away, so it turned and sailed away from the Titanic.
Boxhall and his Captain were reckless, how come after several warnings of the ice bergs they still sailing with a speed of 20 knot in a dangerous place
This is fascinating stuff. I've heard Lightoller's radio broadcast of some of his experiences that night that was recorded in the 1930's, I believe. But I'm surprised to hear that this was recorded in 1962. I had thought that most of the principal characters were all dead by then. The Californian was recklessly cruel, or ignorant (so, as a Californian myself, I think her name and behavior was prescient and highly symbolic of the people who run the state at the present time) if she was as close as Boxhall says, so much so he could see the portholes....k
With the power of hindsight they saw the iceberg at the worst possible time, another 100ft and they would of not been able to turn the ship enough to side swipe it, it would of hit more direct on and the ship would of stayed afloat with only the first one or two compartments damaged, the amount of things to go wrong for them that night it’s like it was just meant to sink
Many more could have been saved had C. Lighttoller not been so stubborn with his "women and children only" order. The boats were no where near capacity and in this emergency with calm seas and help arriving in 4 hours, it would have made sense to overload the boats 10% beyond max capacity.
Lightoller wasn’t the only one filling lifeboats underfilled and it was really because of how undertrained he and most of those other lifeboat filling crew members were. Lightoller expected those people he helped into lifeboats to help more people into them once they reached the water. It was just unfortunate that those people didn’t have the courage to do so and he at least filled the overturned lifeboat he made it onto to capacity, had absolutely no problem with those people being ONLY MEN, and did a great job with guiding those men to shift their weight with swells to keep that lifeboat floating decently until other lifeboats came back for them.
18:18 I cannot believe this.... He forgot his colleagues names???? He forgot Lowe and mentioned Moody, who was dead I thought Pitman was a senior Officer?
It’s believed by his family and researchers that he was suffering from a form of dementia near the end of his life, and pitman was the senior junior officer. The senior officers were captain, chief, first, second. Juniors were third, fourth, fifth and sixth.
Your anger may be misguided. The Captain of the Californian had stopped his ship for the safety of his passengers and crew. However, the Captain of the Titanic was foolhardy in pushing his ship dangerously through a known ice field, which resulted in the collision and the loss of life.
I will always believe that this was no accident!All do respect but I have heard this story over and over again and watched all the movies and it still makes me believe this was no coincidence that’s just my opinion. Too many red flags for my ears and eyes to think any different. God bless the survivors and there family members.
Now the red flags r obvious. There were so many customs, expectations, language barriers, complete trust n the ship and crew, no available binoculars for the crows nest. Not intentional, just a horrible tragedy due to a comedy of errors
It was always a weird fact to me that without the Titanic sinking, the Politicians in the USA could not found the Federal reserve bank in 1913 ( also at christmas time so people were distracted to all the details )
@@jesse33cdn why is someone less worthy of life just because they are a man? I understand saving children first, but singling out adults based on their genders makes no sense to me.
@@jesse33cdn Well personally I have a Mum and a Dad and growing up they both parented and cared for me, and I'm sure that anyone else with good parents had a similar experience growing up. I'd also say that anyone can row the boat, maybe back in 1912 things were different and women might not have been allowed to build muscles as much as men, so idk, maybe back then men would be better at rowing the boat. But even then women like the ones in Molly Brown's lifeboat did a great job rowing and commanding their boat.
@@jesse33cdn I think that anyone can row and look after kids affectively though, and it's really unfair for someone to have to die simply because they were born a man. I don't think there's any reason for that. My parents are divorced, but maybe my Dad would die so I could live (I don't like to think about that happening) but also if my Dad would die for me then I'm sure my Mum would as well (again, I don't like to think about it) I just really don't think that value should be put on people's lives due to meaningless things like gender. But then again, I guess it can be so hard to decide on these things I situations like this, and I guess that in a situation where not everyone can be saved there will have to be some kind of singling out for why certain people live and others don't. I just really don't think that gender is a valid reason that even makes sense as to why someone should live or die. To me things like age make more sense as reasons. It's all horrible to think about and so sad though.
15:58 One of the most annoying things about the darn Cameron movie, they gave too much screen time to Lowe, who along with Lightoller killed plenty of men by prohibitting them to get on a lifeboat, also stealing Boxhall's role as the one who lit green roman candles.
Lightoller knew of to many ship wrecks where literally all of the woman and children died. Not one survived while hundred of men saved themselves including the crew and captain. Plus at that time it was sinking so slow they didn't know how bad it was . People were literally having snowball fights with the ice (that would soon be there cause of death) . And no one knew it would take 4 hours for a ship to come . The California was there 15 miles away . Plus most refused to get off the ship the first hour because no one believed it would be safer on a lifeboat
I believe Capt.Smith could have saved most if not ALL on board Titanic. It is an undisputed fact that a stationary ships light could be seen on the horizon- most probably the Californian. Had Capt. Smith ordered full speed ASTERN and headed for that light it would have IMPEDED the inflow of water into the ship by creating a suction effect and after approx 1 hrs steaming at 10 knots he would be within touching distance of the said ship. The ships boats would have been used to trans ship everyone aboard.
@@kaalen24 If the damage to the ship is along the starboard bow ( which it was ) and you went full AHEAD then obviously the water is going to pour in more rapidly . However if a ship with a damaged bow went full speed ASTERN then a certain amount of suction would be created and it would IMPEDE the ingress of water - thus buying valuable time.
@@kaalen24 Yes of course there would be water against the hull and I accept that the impedence of water into the ship would be slight but don;t forget when the ship was stationary and the water was able to simply pour in through the damage she still lasted for over 2hours afloat. Had she been steaming at perhaps 8 or 9 knots ASTERN towards the ship on the horizon many lives would have been saved .
@@scabbycatcat4202 I believe this is incorrect. Movement promotes water flow which increases flooding. You are not creating sufficient suction in a large ocean liner by sailing in circles. You are just creating water flow.
Two things I will never understand ! If the binoculars were locked up , why the hell did not one of the officers give the look outs one of theirs , they had them on the bridge . The other thing is , when the California's captain was informed of the rockets from the Titanic , why did he not tell the wireless operator to contact it ? I know he turned it off , but it was the only way to find out for sure . Poor ass seamanship at its best !
To address your points, in regards to the binoculars, while the lookouts absolutely should’ve had access to binoculars the truth is that binoculars wouldn’t have made any effect on the night of the sinking. The titanic experienced a very rare visual phenomenon on lightless nights when the water is completely flat calm where the horizon would appear much higher than it actually was. That night the false horizon completely covered the icebergs mass, hence why they didn’t see it until 40 seconds before collision. The phenomena would’ve affected the lookout men even with binoculars and likely would’ve made very little difference to the outcome. It’s been postulated that this visual phenomenon is why the Californian couldn’t properly make out the titanics Morse lamp signals. In regards to your second point, you’re absolutely right. The biggest mistake made by the Californians crew that night was they simply didn’t do enough. Why in earth they didn’t wake the wireless operator god only knows.
@@enveenva5584 false. That wasn't the only night in history with the same conditions . Now I don't know for sure but neither do you, but with binoculars even the officer himself said he would of most likely seen it minutes ahead. And every second counted. The binoculars COULD have had a different outcome.
@@jkephart4624 I did not say it was the only night ever where this phenomena occurred, this was perhaps just the most destructive one. You’re right, lightoller stated that he believed he would have been able to see the berg with binoculars before the lookouts and that he never relied on the lookouts to do all the work, however he did not know what we know now, the rare visual phenomena is a relatively recent discovery. Lightoller was acting on the assumption that the only problem at play was both the moonless night and completely calm waters, when in reality we now know that a combination of things caused the perfect environment for this rare visual phenomena, even with binoculars it really wouldn’t have made a difference under those conditions.
A load of bull. Anyway she might not have been the ship Titanic saw. There's more evidence it was rather the Mount Temple of Captain Moore, who fled like a coward, was very close to Titanic and Californian only saw the white rockets of Titanic, not the colored ones. She was further northwest, as much as 20 miles, while Mount Temple was 5 miles near and later pretended to be stuck in ice and 50 miles off. @@jkephart4624
"and the screams...went on for some time...."
that poor man. They didn't know what PTSD was but you can tell, even in his quite proper and formal speaking style, that he still hears those screams. And he was in charge. God bless you sir.
According to witnesses on the Carpathia, the moment Boxhall came aboard was one of the most heartbreaking moments of the night because of what Boxhall told them. The first question Captain Rostron asked Boxhall was, “Where is the Titanic?” Boxhall simply replied, “Gone.” Somebody shouted in disbelief, “Did you say…Gone?!” Boxhall said, “Yes. Foundered before 2:30 AM.” Captain Rostron said in an interview he felt sick to his stomach when he heard that. After asking about the lifeboats and if all got away, Rostron asked, “Were there still people stuck on the ship on when it sank?” Boxhall lost control of his emotions and shouted in despair, “Hundreds!!!! They all went down!! Maybe a thousand…” The Carpathia crew was beyond shocked with the horrible numbers Boxhall just said. “…maybe more.” Boxhall continued, his voice quivering. At that point, he burst into tears, and Rostron tried to comfort him. 😢
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wow, that's terrible. captain rostron is a hero! he put his ship and passengers in danger steaming to titanic..I always wondered where did these 705 survivors sleep?
@@ArronPI read some passengers gave up their cabins to the survivors and the crew as well. How sad for them all
@@ArronPThey slept wherever room was found for them, including the decks.
@@ArronP They slept in the cabins they were given on the Carpathia. The Carpathia was occupied by approximately 240 crew members and 460 passengers during her big rescue dash for the Titanic and they selflessly gave up their warm clothes blankets, and cabins for all of the Titanic’s survivors.
The Captain of the Carpathia had STOPPED on the moonless night to avoid iceburgs, Then put 24 Men as lookouts (not 2) to steam straight for the Titanic, weaving around iceburgs and only slowing as they neared because of ICE. If he had been Captain of the Titanic, he would have stopped her and waited until daylight and had 24 Men as lookouts.
We can't know that for certain. Had he been in command of the Tianic, he would have faced different expectations.
On another topic, I find it interesting that the lookouts on Carpathia's forecastle spotted the bergs before anyone else. In fairness to the White Star Line, they employed people to work sepcifically as lookouts where other lines did not.
No he hadn;t there was no Ice on the Carpathia's path. He was doing his 14 knot full speed - until the message came through. Where did you get the information that Carpathia was stopped? Californian was stopped - Passenger ships do not stop - as Rostron stated in his 1931 interview
I love what you have done with the background and the movie and docu bits, it makes the story really come alive
my grandfather was on the CARPATHIA.
Tell me more !@@cathybobalek8069
Sometimes Cameron's film supplies the images and sometimes it's earlier productions such as A Night To Remember. Great selection based on the pathos of the scenes concerned.
His matter-of-fact first-hand telling of this appalling tragedy requires absolutely no enhancements.
Fascinating to listen to his account
I'm so grateful his voice and account are preserved here. Thank you.
I found a book written maybe 30 or 40 years ago that attempted to put the story of the Titanic together from the inquiries done on both side of the atlantic. It wasn't written to be entertaining but it was very informative with eyewitness testimony with a few "updated" information as time carried on. This video was of course far more fascinating hearing directly from someone who lived thru it
It's called "A Night to Remember"....excellent book, because of the eyewitness accounts.
Please watch titanic case closed it will BLOW your mind
A very nicely put together video: the combo of appropriate film clips to match whatever part of the story he was telling made it very gripping. Thank you.
Very creepy that they sailed around in the dark still water without seeing it, but hearing the ice all around them. That combined with what had just occurred with the Titanic is almost horror movie stuff.
Fascinating thank you so much for sharing
Could listen to him all day! 😃
There are far too many naval and historical so called "experts" commenting on this video. You should be grateful you had the chance to listen to someone who was there.
He’s got a nice voice
Old school gentleman isn't he.
@@FloatingOnAZephyr yes indeed
You want a bit of Boxhall.
@@Invcvs save some pussy for us Sir Boxhall
My Great grandmother was a very close dear friend with Mr Boxhall and I have a lot of postcards and letters to my great grandmother from him. My Great grandmother was born in England and moved to the United States at age 15. My grandmother said that my great grandmother called Mr Boxhall her Beau. I also had a distant cousin on the Titanic named Daniel Warner Marvin II. Who was coming back from his honeymoon. His wife and unborn child did survive but unfortunately Daniel did not. Daniel and I share the same surname.
I like his accent
I'm from Scarborough and he sounds similar to posh old folk from round here, I'd guess he's a yorkshireman definitely,
@@danielpinder3490 I believe he was from Hull originally.
@@danielpinder3490 would you like to be pen pals? Or text pals? I have WhatsApp
The timeline is insane. 11:45 or so iceg hits. 2:00 am people are jumping into the water. 2:20 warch dies indicating 20 mins in the water for a survivor. By 2:30 he is picked up. By 3:00-3:30 everyone is frozen dead in the ocean. Only 6 survivors pulled out of the water. At 3:55 the first boat is reached.
No one speaks about just how close they all were to survival. They always talk about how badly it was. Yet they were only 30 minutes to an hour away from living if they could have just stayed above the water a little longer, or if the water had been a little warmer, or if they wore more clothes, where is the bulkheads have been higher, or if it hit one less compartment.
Literally everything that was supposed to go wrong that night came for them. It was almost as if the hand of death reached out to take this ship no matter what. Of course there are no special forces in the world, it was just a bunch of mathematical coincidences that will happen at the same time due to a bunch of decisions that had been happening prior to that. The construction of the ship, the speed that they were going, the failure to alert to ice, etc. Had everything been done and the laws have been in place correctly even with everything that went wrong every one of them could have survived. It just takes people using common sense.
No special forces? How do you explain the book futility by morgan Robertson. Spooky stuff
Have you read the secret of a steering error from the helmsman piloting the Titanic the night she went down? Look for this revelation by 2nd officer Lightollers granddaughter Lady Louise Patten she tells the tale of how and why the truth was never revealed. 2010 is the date to look for .
Or the incident with the New York. If they would’ve been hit by the New York, the maiden voyage would’ve been interrupted in the first place and they would’ve sailed maybe a few weeks later when there wouldn’t have been no ice field. It’s like you said: Titanic was just fixed on its path of death with no other outcome for it.
Presumably recorded 50 years after the disaster, rather than 40?
Hes terribly calm about something so horriffic
I mean this interview was like 50 years after it happened, it takes a while for people to be able to talk about traumatic things such as this
There has often been speculation as to whether, if there had been a second row of boats, inboard from those in the davits (which is how Titanic was originally designed) there would have been time to launch them all. As it is, the boats which were already in the davits were only just launched in time. To launch any inboard boats, the davits would have had to have been swung inboard, the ropes pulled up again and fixed to the other boats and then the davits would have had to have been swung out for the boats to have been launched. There would probably not have been time for all of this, although if there had been a second row of boats on the deck and the fixings had been removed, they would probably have floated free and some of those in the water might have found their way to them. What is surprising is that some passenger liners of the time did have life rafts, however, those designing the Titanic, for some reason, decided that life rafts were a dangerous way of evacuating passengers (they had to be thrown into the water and the passengers would then have to climb down rope ladders to reach them). However, once again, if there had been life rafts stored on the decks and the fastenings had been removed, they would have floated free to provide a refuge for those thrown into the sea. There is a similar account from Lightoller - he says that, in his opinion, if the iceberg had not been spotted and Titanic had run head on into it, then it would almost certainly have survived, as then only the first two, or possibly, three, compartments would have been flooded and it could have remained afloat, if not permanently, then, certainly, for very much longer, until the Carpathia finally arrived. Finally, of course, there is the question of the Californian. For some reason, it did not occur to anyone on the Titanic to fire the distress rockets horizontally, towards the Californian. The rockets were fired into the air. The officer on duty on the Californian almost certainly concluded that Titanic had stopped for safety and that it was firing rockets to warn the Californian of its presence to prevent a collision. This is consistent with the facts - the Californian sailed towards the Titanic and would soon have come alongside it if it had maintained its course - on seeing the rockets, it assumed that the Titanic was warning it away, so it turned and sailed away from the Titanic.
@@Mark3ABE the Californian was stopped for the night. You are confusing the Californian with the mystery ship. Read about it
@@richie9814 Thank you - yes, you are right. It was another ship.
He sat there and listened to the people screaming for hours.
Who
Fascinating
Boxhall and his Captain were reckless, how come after several warnings of the ice bergs they still sailing with a speed of 20 knot in a dangerous place
It was policy by almost all companies, they thought it was better to get out of the icefield as fast as possible.
i think they could of stacked the boats with passenger's has it was very calm ?
This is fascinating stuff. I've heard Lightoller's radio broadcast of some of his experiences that night that was recorded in the 1930's, I believe. But I'm surprised to hear that this was recorded in 1962. I had thought that most of the principal characters were all dead by then.
The Californian was recklessly cruel, or ignorant (so, as a Californian myself, I think her name and behavior was prescient and highly symbolic of the people who run the state at the present time) if she was as close as Boxhall says, so much so he could see the portholes....k
The Captain should have stopped the band from playing and paid more attention to making people get in the lifeboats over filled if they needed to be.
nice
With the power of hindsight they saw the iceberg at the worst possible time, another 100ft and they would of not been able to turn the ship enough to side swipe it, it would of hit more direct on and the ship would of stayed afloat with only the first one or two compartments damaged, the amount of things to go wrong for them that night it’s like it was just meant to sink
Many more could have been saved had C. Lighttoller not been so stubborn with his "women and children only" order. The boats were no where near capacity and in this emergency with calm seas and help arriving in 4 hours, it would have made sense to overload the boats 10% beyond max capacity.
Lightoller wasn’t the only one filling lifeboats underfilled and it was really because of how undertrained he and most of those other lifeboat filling crew members were. Lightoller expected those people he helped into lifeboats to help more people into them once they reached the water. It was just unfortunate that those people didn’t have the courage to do so and he at least filled the overturned lifeboat he made it onto to capacity, had absolutely no problem with those people being ONLY MEN, and did a great job with guiding those men to shift their weight with swells to keep that lifeboat floating decently until other lifeboats came back for them.
Love the matter of fact of his story. No emotion whatsoever 🤣
He's a man not of this era they sniffling and crying now days
18:18 I cannot believe this.... He forgot his colleagues names???? He forgot Lowe and mentioned Moody, who was dead
I thought Pitman was a senior Officer?
He was old when this was recorded, and it is known he struggled with his memory.
Right. Okay, yeah that's fair@@Fishycheese99
It’s believed by his family and researchers that he was suffering from a form of dementia near the end of his life, and pitman was the senior junior officer. The senior officers were captain, chief, first, second. Juniors were third, fourth, fifth and sixth.
I understand @@enveenva5584
The man probably worked on a hundred different ships in his career and hundreds of colleagues
The more I hear about the Californian the more angry I get.
Your anger may be misguided. The Captain of the Californian had stopped his ship for the safety of his passengers and crew. However, the Captain of the Titanic was foolhardy in pushing his ship dangerously through a known ice field, which resulted in the collision and the loss of life.
tried to count the passengers but they didn't speak English ??
14:39 Her stern? Don't you mean stem, mr Boxhall?
Muito triste
14:24 LOL that model was broken, making it seem like the ship was turning to port
It was the angle of the camera. The way it was pointed at the model made it look like she was turning.
Indeed @@Fishycheese99
I will always believe that this was no accident!All do respect but I have heard this story over and over again and watched all the movies and it still makes me believe this was no coincidence that’s just my opinion. Too many red flags for my ears and eyes to think any different. God bless the survivors and there family members.
So you believe this was a purposeful event ?
Now the red flags r obvious. There were so many customs, expectations, language barriers, complete trust n the ship and crew, no available binoculars for the crows nest. Not intentional, just a horrible tragedy due to a comedy of errors
So the iceberg had a mind of its own?
It was always a weird fact to me that without the Titanic sinking, the Politicians in the USA could not found the Federal reserve bank in 1913 ( also at christmas time so people were distracted to all the details )
@@blackwolf4653 Uhh, yes they could have.
Formula 1 desperately needs more knowledgeable pundits like Peter Windsor.
This will sound cold, but TRUTH often does! ...MEN are suppose to die so that Woman and Children Live. That IS the way of things.
@@jesse33cdn why is someone less worthy of life just because they are a man? I understand saving children first, but singling out adults based on their genders makes no sense to me.
@@RobyntheRobin who do you think bear and care for the children? Who’s gonna row the boat?
@@jesse33cdn Well personally I have a Mum and a Dad and growing up they both parented and cared for me, and I'm sure that anyone else with good parents had a similar experience growing up. I'd also say that anyone can row the boat, maybe back in 1912 things were different and women might not have been allowed to build muscles as much as men, so idk, maybe back then men would be better at rowing the boat. But even then women like the ones in Molly Brown's lifeboat did a great job rowing and commanding their boat.
@@RobyntheRobin i meant for the woman to row the boat. Anyway, ask your father if he would willingly die so you and your mother could live.
@@jesse33cdn I think that anyone can row and look after kids affectively though, and it's really unfair for someone to have to die simply because they were born a man. I don't think there's any reason for that. My parents are divorced, but maybe my Dad would die so I could live (I don't like to think about that happening) but also if my Dad would die for me then I'm sure my Mum would as well (again, I don't like to think about it)
I just really don't think that value should be put on people's lives due to meaningless things like gender. But then again, I guess it can be so hard to decide on these things I situations like this, and I guess that in a situation where not everyone can be saved there will have to be some kind of singling out for why certain people live and others don't. I just really don't think that gender is a valid reason that even makes sense as to why someone should live or die. To me things like age make more sense as reasons. It's all horrible to think about and so sad though.
Very poor seamanship coupled with design flaws. A tragedy that needn't have occured but for greed and complacency.
15:58 One of the most annoying things about the darn Cameron movie, they gave too much screen time to Lowe, who along with Lightoller killed plenty of men by prohibitting them to get on a lifeboat, also stealing Boxhall's role as the one who lit green roman candles.
Lightoller knew of to many ship wrecks where literally all of the woman and children died. Not one survived while hundred of men saved themselves including the crew and captain. Plus at that time it was sinking so slow they didn't know how bad it was . People were literally having snowball fights with the ice (that would soon be there cause of death) . And no one knew it would take 4 hours for a ship to come . The California was there 15 miles away . Plus most refused to get off the ship the first hour because no one believed it would be safer on a lifeboat
I believe Capt.Smith could have saved most if not ALL on board Titanic. It is an undisputed fact that a stationary ships light could be seen on the horizon- most probably the Californian. Had Capt. Smith ordered full speed ASTERN and headed for that light it would have IMPEDED the inflow of water into the ship by creating a suction effect and after approx 1 hrs steaming at 10 knots he would be within touching distance of the said ship. The ships boats would have been used to trans ship everyone aboard.
I was under the impression that a moving ship takes on water more rapidly.
@@kaalen24 If the damage to the ship is along the starboard bow ( which it was ) and you went full AHEAD then obviously the water is going to pour in more rapidly . However if a ship with a damaged bow went full speed ASTERN then a certain amount of suction would be created and it would IMPEDE the ingress of water - thus buying valuable time.
@@scabbycatcat4202 Wouldn’t there still be moving water against the hull therefore undoing your efforts to reduce, wait for it, water FLOW?
@@kaalen24 Yes of course there would be water against the hull and I accept that the impedence of water into the ship would be slight but don;t forget when the ship was stationary and the water was able to simply pour in through the damage she still lasted for over 2hours afloat. Had she been steaming at perhaps 8 or 9 knots ASTERN towards the ship on the horizon many lives would have been saved .
@@scabbycatcat4202 I believe this is incorrect. Movement promotes water flow which increases flooding. You are not creating sufficient suction in a large ocean liner by sailing in circles. You are just creating water flow.
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Wow what a liar and coward, this is bull
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Tell us the trueth since you know better than him.
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Two things I will never understand ! If the binoculars were locked up , why the hell did not one of the officers give the look outs one of theirs , they had them on the bridge . The other thing is , when the California's captain was informed of the rockets from the Titanic , why did he not tell the wireless operator to contact it ? I know he turned it off , but it was the only way to find out for sure . Poor ass seamanship at its best !
To address your points, in regards to the binoculars, while the lookouts absolutely should’ve had access to binoculars the truth is that binoculars wouldn’t have made any effect on the night of the sinking. The titanic experienced a very rare visual phenomenon on lightless nights when the water is completely flat calm where the horizon would appear much higher than it actually was. That night the false horizon completely covered the icebergs mass, hence why they didn’t see it until 40 seconds before collision. The phenomena would’ve affected the lookout men even with binoculars and likely would’ve made very little difference to the outcome. It’s been postulated that this visual phenomenon is why the Californian couldn’t properly make out the titanics Morse lamp signals. In regards to your second point, you’re absolutely right. The biggest mistake made by the Californians crew that night was they simply didn’t do enough. Why in earth they didn’t wake the wireless operator god only knows.
@@enveenva5584 false. That wasn't the only night in history with the same conditions . Now I don't know for sure but neither do you, but with binoculars even the officer himself said he would of most likely seen it minutes ahead. And every second counted. The binoculars COULD have had a different outcome.
The Californians captain claimed he was so tired he didn't even remember the conversation with the officer
@@jkephart4624 I did not say it was the only night ever where this phenomena occurred, this was perhaps just the most destructive one. You’re right, lightoller stated that he believed he would have been able to see the berg with binoculars before the lookouts and that he never relied on the lookouts to do all the work, however he did not know what we know now, the rare visual phenomena is a relatively recent discovery. Lightoller was acting on the assumption that the only problem at play was both the moonless night and completely calm waters, when in reality we now know that a combination of things caused the perfect environment for this rare visual phenomena, even with binoculars it really wouldn’t have made a difference under those conditions.
A load of bull. Anyway she might not have been the ship Titanic saw. There's more evidence it was rather the Mount Temple of Captain Moore, who fled like a coward, was very close to Titanic and Californian only saw the white rockets of Titanic, not the colored ones. She was further northwest, as much as 20 miles, while Mount Temple was 5 miles near and later pretended to be stuck in ice and 50 miles off. @@jkephart4624