China just proved that Elon Musk's Hyperloop idea was actually genius
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- China just proved that Elon Musk's Hyperloop idea was actually genius
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Just like electric cars, its not Elon's idea, Elon was just trying to make it into reality which hasn't succeeded. If US cannot complete a single line of HSR in more than a decade( while China has finish 40,000km of it around the same time), what make you think US can make a Hyperloop and successfully deploy it commercial line. If anything, China is the only realistic hope for it to be deployed and commercially work.
Yes, I couldn't agree more. China is the only realistic hope at the moment. No other country is in any such position. China already has over 45,000km of HSR and likely have 80,000km in about 8 to 10 years.
Has anyone in the US been investing in a HSR?
The US economy is hydrocarbon-based (ănd fiat-money). The shift to anything electrically "big" would bankrupt it, viz EVs....
99.9% of China can't afford to ride high-speed trains.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom The California highspeed rail line approved in 2008, is expected to be open at the end of 2030 at a whopping cost of $128 billion with about 1000km to show for. By then China would have built 60000km in roughly the same amount of time.
Before anyone said its much easier in China because it does not have property rights, look at all the examples of nail houses where owners are not selling even to national infrastructure projects, not US nor Australia have those rights.
Chinese universities have been researching this for a long time now, it was being researched at the beginning of OBOR. They have been doing this since before Musk.
At school my physics speculated about a U shaped evacuated tube between two cities. A train at one of the cities gets a slight push and gravity then causes it to speed up to the bottom of the U and then gradually slow to a halt at the destination. THis would enable extremely high speed transport between two distantly separated points with the expenditure of practically no energy. A sporting analogy would be a skateboarder or snowboarder on a half pipe. The problem with these things is that the engineering problems to be overcome to implement a hyperloop are immense and the margins between success and disaster are minute.
And there still are no HyperLoops.
@@rogerphelps9939 How deep does the loop need to drop to reach air travel speeds or faster.
@@danharold3087 To reach about Mach 0.9 (300m/s) it would need to be 4500 metres deep (v^2 = 2gs where g =10 is the acceleration due to gravity and s is the depth in metres). That is almost 3 miles. That is just too deep. It could be reduced a lot by getting the thing going using a linear motor and then slowing it down using regeneration.
Its still a idea from us white people first
Traveling fast without friction in a vacuum tube is NOT Elon's idea. This idea has been around for longer than he existed. Even as a kid in the 80's and 90's, we thought it would be cool if this was possible. Musk is just a famous person and his voice is LOUD!
I was going to type the same thing, Rand Corp has this idea from the early 1970's. Some people say these exist underground in secret bases throughout the world.
Elon never claimed to have thought up the idea. He thought it was a good and viable idea and he promoted it and funded contests to build it.
I grew up in an area in London where a rumored pneumatic train was buried somewhere under a park. The train wasn’t there but sure enough a 1/4 mile pneumatic train was tested on the grounds of the Crystal Palace. Called the ‘Atmospheric railway’ it gave demonstrations opening in 1864. Later it was destroyed and filled in but the idea is very old indeed.
A “ idea” is just that, a idea. Who will make it a reality?
True. Tesla trolls simply try to do everything to make Elon look good.
Travelling shorter distances ie >1000KM is already quicker by train in China than by plane. This is due to much less time boarding and departing a train than aircraft and it is much more energy efficent.
How much time do you think it takes to evacuate a train's airlock?
@@AvgJoe0007just stop the train and open the valves. All the time in the world. Now try to do that at 20k feet in a 787 that is missing a door
China is working on One Belt One Road , on Manufacturing , Trades & Infrastructure projects .
The US is working on One Bomb One Road , on Bombs , Wars & Destruction projects .
The US is trying to help the West stay alive and competitive. You see, many cutting edge technologies from EU sell to the US to increase their power
Usa is still better and i see channels that says china is losing
@@lichtabendlenz4866 China is still better and I see channesl that says Germans are American vassals and lapdogs.
@@lichtabendlenz4866 Its Ukraine vs Russia
Also Israel genocide news
&
China faking news of her collapse, also faking Xinjiang massacre genocide
China aggression etc.
No matter what bull loads is on news
US will come 2025 after 2024 Nov US election
2025 March / April US will take developed naval powers to war
Humongous fleets
Extreme naval battles
Lol
You gotta love the Chinese, they do and don’t just talk.
They build and build even if it goes nowhere.
@@bogususer2595 All the nowhere becomes somewhere in the future, that's called advanced planning and which is unknown in the capitalsit West. 😂😂😂
In this case it is just a short prototype and has no relationship to a practical system.
@@bogususer2595Plan ahead instead of trying to catch up. It's an alien concept for "democracies".
@@directxxxx71 *China's real estate markets enters the room*
The 'Hyperloop' concept originated in the 18th century and was formally invented in the early 20th century by Robert Goddard. Musk wasn't around back then.
You think that back in the early 20th century or even far earlier that they thought of a *mag-lev* train in a vacuum tube? Nope.
Thank you for your information.
In my reading of early science fiction ( 1920s and later ) I encountered a story that described vacuum tubes and trains used as point-to-point transportation over long distances at high speed.
Arthur C Clarke's 1956 novel The City and The Stars included a train running in a vacuum tube at huge speed. The opening chapter also gives a description of virtual reality that is spot on, no cringe using out of date terms, it could have been written yesterday. So no, Elon didn't invent it.
The helicopter is a far better example. Leonardo Da Vinci is the first know person to put the idea forward. It first worked in the last century. The Hyper loop concept is simply taking longer. Even when we have the technology that does not guarantee it will be adopted.
China's existing maglev train which services the Shanghai airport has already hit 400km/h, and that's not even in a vacuum. I saw a video about that years ago, they have a speed readout in the cabin, and it went up to like 403 km/h in the video.
@@kenbehrens5778 Yes you're right. I'm not sure why Sam stated that the experimental vac train they ran at 387 km/h is the world's fastest train. There are regular high-speed trains in China, not even maglevs, which do 400 km/h. Edit: I see my mistake, it was actually 387mph or 623 km/h when I rewatched that section of the video. Definitely fast, but not as fast as jet aircraft, and building/maintaining vacuum tubes that are hundreds or thousands of kms long is not going to be a cheap exercise.
Notice they only have one maglev train. Maglev is expensive without the vacuum chamber.
Let's assume a train is going 800 km/hr and needs to go around a curve. Assume the max acceleration is 0.1 g. The radius of the curve is 50 km. That also means any change in grade on the t rack needs to have a radius of 50 km to keep the g load on the passengers below 0.1 gs.
@@ahbushnell1 I don't think there would be curves for these tubes.
@@ChinaSongsCollection
Straight lines absolutely everywhere is INCREDIBLY impractical
@@ChinaSongsCollection It would just have to slow down on the curves but for long distances they could run it in a straight line as far as possible.
According to Viking, EVs were Elon's idea too. 😂
wrggg
Yet another reason why I have so much love, respect, and admiration for China!
The only reason Elon Musk proposed the hyperloop was to block high speed rail.
His overall goal is to sell more cars.
The "loop" in Las Vegas actively blocks a REAL subway line. The tunnels are too small for a real train.
Elon musk was not EVEN the one who originally "proposed" the idea. Chinese researchers had been developing the idea well BEFORE Elon Musk coined the term "hyperloop"
The boring company tunnels were never intended for a train. What did he do to block the high speed rail?
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom HSR hit road blocks other than Elon. For the most part Running a rail line through California is expensive. Land owners have significant rights.
@@AI_effect The story is that Elon sold the powers be that be he could save them money with the hyperloop. Maybe it is true. It does not follow that this alone or even was a factor in why it stalled. I seem to recall the HSR supporters lost elections.
@@AI_effect Cars are the least space efficient transportation option in urban areas (about 2000 passengers/direction.hour).
A WALKING PATH has more throughput (up 15,000 people/direction.3.5m.hour -- explaining why roads are closed down during major events).
Trains START at 20,000 passengers/direction.hour.
The original idea for the vacuum tube mag lev pre dates Musk by a lot I read about it in popular mechanics back in the early 60s Its just now that the technology is catching up to the idea, and it's realy expensive to build.
Make a tiny hyperloop, big enough to ship a pallet. Get it working then make a passenger version
Normal maglev or even high speed rail is fine. The biggest issue is simply not having enough of it (especially in north america)
america have cars to get around
@@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863 america has ONLY cars to get around!
That’s the problem.
You were all forced to buy cars to enrich the companies instead of using your tax money to build infrastructure for you.
@@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863 yea i'm sure american cars get around at the speed of 200mph +
USA will never get HSR. 😊
Elon may have named it hyperloop but it is not Elon's original idea.
Pneumatic subways were on drawing boards at the end of the 19th century and versions of high speed enclosed tube transportation systems have been in many science fiction novels.
Gene Roddenberry showed the system in Pilot /TV movies Genesis ll and Planet Earth
Nobody claims to the contrary sir.
I guess we need a new name to describe Chinas product.
How about vacuum maglev?
@@markharmon4963aaaah, the Electric Tesla-Viking actually called it Elons Hyperloop ,,, but I suppose research and facts mean nothing to this guy
It isnt Elons Idea its a very old idea.
This is true. Also China has been working on it for a long time.
Electric cars were an old idea as well but it took an Elon to make it reality
@@bramaugat74 Exactly! There are a TON of Ideas! 99% of humanity has 'ideas'. Bringing them to reality is a very, very, very different thing
This pneumatic subway was first proposed by Albert Ely Beach in 1868. He even built a short demonstration that could be ridden by passengers for 30 meters, then longer runs.
@bramaugat74 This is true, but Elon also never really said that he'd start a hyperloop company, (boring company is for tunnels which could be theoretically used for hyperloop ofc)
If we are calling it an elon project, we should look at who the largest backers are, who's "idea" it is seems largely irrelevant
Elon has seemingly personally risked the most for EVs, I'd be happy in giving him the most credit of any one individual, but not over 51% of total credit either
Tech is a group effo
hyperloop isn't an elon thing. It is important to keep our history intact!
I drew out sketches of that sort of idea in 8th grade, in 1970s. Worked out some of the physics. Simple math. Enough to note that it seemed to me that there was potential. It wasn't My thing either! Like hydrogen combustion engines, which I also worked out the math, to my heartbreak, as it doesn't work, hyperloop ideas have been around and have had some interests and money thrown their way, too.
Dismissing the hyperloop from Boring, this version is all from the neoliberal owned and operated media outlets doing what they were bought to do, front and provide coverage for their corporate owners.
Right?
Using anti-free-market means, using sponsored politicians, anti-democratic means, they consolidated ownership of media into the hands of a self-selected-few. Your mate murdock being cheeky about his motivations at the time too! He delivered too!
The purveyor of all the SWB, EV, FUD are the very same ones that slam elon, and are rattling sabers at China and seem to be ok with an emerging djt dictatorship dissolving democracy. All while turning a blind eye to all the shortcomings, object failures of legacy auto. Mary. (While cashing in on huge profits these past 10 years or so, the money to have invested in EV conversion. Instead, they purposefully chose to milk ICE for everything it could, cost to others be damned. All to the benefit of legacy auto, insurance, finance, and energy, to name a self-selected-few. All with the open assist from their mainstream media, masquerading as a Free Press, as THE 4th Estate. All with the anticipation of another custom bailout. ~Maybe even finally get rid of that pesky union.)
but let's blame workers, environmentalist, leftist, the woke. You know, like what that same media is waving in front of our faces.
As for what to do with Boring & hyperloop? There is such an obvious use case that no one is focused on that will provide the reason to 10x the investment in Boring.
Because elon can't see the synergy between the companies, he needs to hire someone that does to be his boss.
E = mc² Olinto De Pretto. Who cares about true origin?
People have made hydrogen combustion engines
Is that what you really got from what I wrote? @@danparish1344 Not that they could be built, that they weren't viable.
Ahhh...@@kareandersson Nice. The core insight is deeper yet too!
Good to keep the history stright!
Well have at it, don't be lazy, become the one that outdoes Elon.
The idea was patented in 1824 by John Vallance and a few atmospheric railways were built, including one by Isambard Kingdom Brunel, the famous victorian engineer.
China acquired German Thyssen-Krupp Maglev train tech and improved it Shinkansen style with a low vacuum tube. Far from the impractical hyperloop original idea.
Still the idea from us in the west AND of of course from us germans
@@lichtabendlenz4866 Thank you Germans for giving the world a masterclass in racial hatred and bigotry.
Speed is for those on the go. As a retired senior, I want to look at the scenery when I take the train. Nostalgic is my choo choo train. 😂
I'll tell you what could go wrong, you're sitting there enjoying the ride and all of a sudden you find yourself in the middle of a Nicholas Cage action thriller...
There would be no drivers for these things. And there is no way of changing route.
623 km/hr (387 mph) = nearly as fast as a jumbo-jet 747?
Did someone confuse mph with km/hr? The 747 cruises at 1,055 km/hr (575 mph). (edit: cruises at 575 mph or 925 km/hr, maximum air-speed of the fastest 747 variant is 659.85 mph or 1061.66 km/hr)
I'm sure with a longer track China's mag-lev in a vac-tube, could get closer to (or even exceed) the speed of a 747, but as it is, I don't see how 623 km/hr can be called "nearly as fast" as the 747's cruising speed of 925 km/hr.
They said 'ESTIMATED' speed. Not the true speed.
575 mph equals 925 kmh
He said 1000km/hr
@@Bobdufour Yes. Google was giving me different numbers & I didn't check the metric conversion. 1055 km/hr is the maximum flight speed of some variants of the 747, other variants have a max speed of 1061 km/hr.
575 mph (925 km/hr) would be the average cruising speed of some variants.
Matching current airline speed will take many technological breakthrough, economic solutions etc.
Likely be 2 to 3 decades away for China including wars, world at war in the mix which is coming.
Especially 2025 China will face extreme naval battles
Cycle of great wars are coming on this generation
the science works but can it be praticle and economical for millions of people, that is the hard part
not that hard, you westerners just watch and observe how the chinese build it and then use it, just like high speed rail, 5g, and ev's.
China has more than 1.3 billion people so they have more incentives to do it than any country except probably India.
Could CA, USA get some help please from China to get our high tech train built.
security threat, china is banned you do know that
You have to secede first
They could do it when we white people wont get attackt
In truth CA torn up the plan, Contract wirh China it was agreeded signed but...
U know the atmosphere its scapegoat China for Geopolitics,
so that's how US HSR unlikely be possibility for few decades.
This won't change until after Extreme naval battles with China then over 1 decades of proxy war in Asia.
Likely within 2 decades or 14+ years
US should stop aggression wars as China will have overcome the wars, economical suppression, world depression 7yrs etc.
So afterwards all peace & dust settled
US may get indirect HSR of China via 3rd party
IMHO near 3 decades is a long time and China likely even in war time slowly move to maglev
HSR will however be used by world all over still even onced 3rd world
More than A century ago a lot of Chinese immigrants or workers did help build the railroad in US. It should not be seem as strange or odd thing if they help build it again.
China is Elon Musk on steroids 😂😂😂😂
Elon: I am Elon Musk on crack!
Viking: I worship Elons rear end
China is nothing
China has a Elon look alike His name is Yilong Ma lol
As people have pointed out, one of the biggest problems isn't getting it to work, the biggest is probably that if the tube is damaged you're going to have a massive disaster. The cost of making a tube with enough safety redundancy is extremely cost prohibitive if it's even possible.
ET3 (evacuated tube transport) had polished this concept far before Elon made his announcement. I even remember speaking with Daryl Oster about their discussion before the news started claiming a new mode of transport had been created.
For vast countries like China the idea of Hyperloop is worth investing. If successful, the Hyperloop trains could replace most of internal flies.
No doubt China has everything it needs: all the resources, the world class expertise, money and strong will to make this dream come true.
I keep my thumbs up for their success✊
Operational realities are a big challenge to overcome given a proven concept. A vacuum tunnel means if the train failed and stop in the tunnel, the passengers will be at risk of having no air to breathe. They also cannot simply walk along the tracks to an exit since there is no air in the tunnel.
The biggest problem with hyperloop is the expense of building and maintaining the vacuum tunnels needed and dealing with small deformations that can lead to disaster or at least a super uncomfortable ride in a passenger use case.
New York to Las Angeles in the same time as it takes to eat a Taco Bell and run to the Toilet... amazing!
And you will every time
Sad thing is, this will probably never happen in America😂
@@brian.z6592 It would we in the west are better
@@brian.z6592 Chinese cant do that
@@lichtabendlenz4866 Chinese built a massive HSR network already, not sure how we can catch up...
1000km/h or 621mph would be a game changer for city to city transport, as long a acceleration isn't too fast and deceleration is not too hard for passengers to travel in comfort (say 0.25G's constant acceleration), being much faster than current air travel especially, when you consider the time taken in transit at airports.
With digital screens in place of windows, in each carriage, this may feel like teleportation for the passengers. e.g theoretically Perth to Brisbane in 3.6hrs, Perth to Sydney in 3.4hrs, Perth to Melbourne in 3hrs, Perth to Darwin in 2.65hrs and Darwin to Brisbane in 2.8hrs.
Road trains would almost be a thing of the past, other than for transferring bulky items
The big money spinner will be for transferring cargo, making products significantly cheaper and with higher profit margins at the same time.
Warp drive will come out before hyperscam does. This is too expensive, too complicated to engineer in this century...and the trillions it will cost to build. Hundreds of miles of vacuum tubes, with all the expansion/contraction at play with temperature differences along the line?...disaster. Getting trapped in a hundred mile vacuum tube seems like fun...or an accident which would be Titanic/Hindenburg event.
Acceleration is not an issue. If you consider 0-100km/hr in 2 seconds in a Tesla model S Plaid, that's 0-1,000km/hr in 20 seconds at that rate. Even at a third of that acceleration rate, that's 1 minute to top speed.
But we already have the Tesla Semi which is cheaper than rail!
@@JeremyFister A few challenges, but not that much different from laying 1000s of miles of gas pipeline which we've done for nearly 100 years
I think 1000km/h is just the top speed, not a sustained speed.
So they are probably going to speed up slowly to 1000km/h, reach it, and then slowly slow back down to 0.
The whole thing is going to be very gradual so you probably won't feel it.
How do u choose to believe this is Elon musk’s idea?
His research is.. less than thorough.
It’s very costly to build and maintain near vacuum tubes, especially for intercity transit.
Maybe one should start with underground metro with strengthened and partially evacuated tubes.
As the trains entered a station, the tunnel narrowed to a tight fit and pushed the air out through a one way valve, slowly it and also acting as an air pump.😊
Wow, awesome. This thing is nuts!
Electric motors are amazing power houses and work well in trains because of the linear functionality allows the use of power lines. Batteries on the other hand are currently marginal but getting better
for this train, its likely there aren;t even motors onboard. its being propelled down a magnetic track like a coil gun.
Couldn’t agree more Sir. Try and imagine being on a Chinese super train going 400 plus mph. Think it would take me awhile to get used to the absolute, life-changing terror it would cause me and that’s just thinking about it. Truly enjoy your well researched, articulate and very well presented information. Keep up the good work , Mate.
Everyone seems to forget that you can't run a train just between two stations unless you want it to be useless. Hyperloop is only functional over long distances with no stops. Talking about 3g acceleration as acceptable is pretty silly too.
Wrong again...
He didn't come up with the idea just like he didn't start Tesla. The idea of a vacuum tube transportation has been around for 200 years, and the first to describe a vacuum train like the hyperloop was an inventor and engineer named Robert Goddard, who is mostly known for building the world's first liquid fueled rocket and essentially starting the Space Age. They Hyperloop concept was then brought to Musk in 2013 from a guy named Daryl Oster, the head of a patent-owning and licensing organization called ET3 Global Alliance who's mission is to build Evacuated Tube Transport, what the Hyperloop essentially is.
Elon Musk is a genius in making theory turn into reality practical applications.
There have been electric cars in the past, but then not viable. So all the credits for electric cars goes to the perseverence of Elon Musk.
The Chinese probably built it for countries like Dubai or Qatar or saudi arabian
China builds it for China first, then later maybe the others.
Daryl has been to China showing everything
Add in the Boring Company and you can cross the United states through tunnels deep underground for the long runs. With ascending tunnels to link up with existing rail once inside the city center (with maybe a couple of stops at the outskirts). This would avoid water table and legal issues if it were 500m underground over most of its length. The Boring Company Prufrock boring machine can bore (and line a tunnel with concrete tiles) one mile in 7 days (or about 300 miles in 1 year per machine (assuming you don't start from both sides and complete the route in half the time.
A home owner can hardly have legal standing over a tunnel 500m below their house, especially if the vacuum tunnel and maglev make vibration almost non-existant. They could try to sue, but only a NY court would take them seriously.
That would mean 2 prufrock machines could bore 600miles in a year... but Musk is working on a much faster design in the next few years.
The chance of a tunnel leak at a depth of hundreds of meters would be all but non existant... also the shifting of the earth during an earthquake is much less deeper underground and the tiles can tolerate some degree of shifting meaning the deeper tunnels should be all but immune to earthquakes.
God Bless Elon Musk 🙏
He has Billions.... God wants him to Bless the Poor. Parables sheep goat , Parable Good Samaritan , Parables Rich Man and Laz.etc. How bout Pray for the weak and needy not the Spoiled and Greedy
People often confuse other ideas for the Hyperloop, Yes there were other "vacuum tube train" ideas before, but they were either using vacuum and air pressure to move a train (impractical but it worked) or using ultra-high vacuum to achieve supersonic speeds. Elon realized that by using air pressure similar to high altitude flights actually simplified construction and meant not having to carry extra oxygen, and making it a loop with the air moving around it allowed higher speeds.
Oh, and the "Vegas Loop" is simply an underground tunnel system, not "vacuum" or "hyperloop".
The problem with hyperloop is thermal expansion. If you have a miles long vacuum tube the thermal expansion can be in the tens of feet. You would need some kind of expansion coupling that would be completely airtight, or you would have to basically enclose the whole thing in a temperature controlled building.
Or put it underground where temperatures don't change that much.
or the walls of the tunnel can be 20ft thick concrete.
Although it has higher requirements for terrain, as mentioned in the video, it can shorten the travel time from the fringes of the city to the city center. This will bring great convenience to life and greatly change the shape of the city. It currently takes me nearly 50 minutes to commute to work by subway, but if I take this vehicle, it will only take about 5 minutes.
In addition, because its speed is similar to that of an airplane. If it can be promoted, it can to some extent replace airplanes, thereby greatly reducing the demand for airplanes, being more environmentally friendly and saving time (usually need to arrive one hour in advance when taking a plane).
This would be great as an industrial train connecting Asia and the Americas. Once things cool down between Russia and U.S., China could push the T-Flight to move industrial goods around the world.
Whatever China sets its mind to do something, it will be accomplished.
Collapsing the auto industry?
Like the 4 pests campaign.
@@GWAForUTBE Yes, Chinese EVs along with American Tesla are collapsing the ICE industry.
@@GWAForUTBE The auto industry includes both ICE vehicles and EVs. Which ones are you talking about?
@@danharold3087 Did I hit a raw nerve?
Hyperloop on a 2ft diameter tube installed on freeway medians or shoulders could be used to deliver most packages to distribution centers in cities saving billions in transportation costs.
OpenAI was mocked by rival AI researchers even to point of calling individual journalists to complain about Altman and OpenAI. Success is the best revenge.
I can tell one thing for sure ! If it ever becomes reality it should be named, 'Blah Blah Blah Transport' !
I think this is just PR on the part of China. There’s no way such a train is cost effective. Even their current high speed trains aren’t. It’s all for show.
Besides, Sam tells us that future air travel will be battery powered, so who needs such trains?
@@kenbehrens5778 Yes, if you cherry pick among the railways some were profitable pre-Covid.
Viking, I really like your channel, but you gotta work on your fact finding a little bit. Elon did absolutely not invent the hyperloop. he literally just came up with that name for a concept that had been around for at least 50 years if not much longer. And if the cost and physics of evacuating tubes that are of any meaningful distance are feasible is highly questionable, which is why nobody has really come around to build it. hence the tube that the company in your video built is not at full vacuum and not even a mile long. Fun but useless...
Thanks Sam.
China’s also talking about building an oil pipeline from Russia.
Chinese build, while another country blowing up the energy pipeline between Russia and Germany😂
They have already had one operating since 2019. Now they are planning the second pipeline.
What happens when some maintenance worker accidentally leaves a wrench laying on the tracks of the hyperloop? The very next 1000mph train just ... goes ... air ...
One of the biggest frustrations in my life is having a debate about EV with an electrician. They can never give me a logical reason why they don't like EVs. Electric cars would be an electrician's dream?
There are dozens and dozens of reasons not to like them. Get a clue
@truecolors6469 but as a design concept, EV is to electric trains what ICE is to steam engines, it's old technology.. The only argument against EVs is charge stations & times.
@@neildolan7177 insurance is expensive they wear out tires faster , there value plummets fast , to resell used is hard , they suck for long trips , to replace battery is a fortune , they track how you drive they spy on you with cameras , low range , slow charging , cost fortune to repair.when.damaged , cost a FORTUNE to buy , few charge stations , you know very little about reality
Still waiting to get beamed up.
It's a dumb idea. It was a dumb idea 100 years ago. It was a dumb idea when you came up with it around 15 years ago. And it's a dumb idea yesterday. And today it's just a stupid idea. Thunderfoot thunderfoot thunderfoot.
Am I missing something here? This and others the like (with a tube/tunnel/low pressure whatever) are still theoretical numbers with fancy render and CGIs, none of them have an actual working proof of concept..as far as I know.
As for maglev itself, it's been around for a long time, the longest working prototype is in yamanashi test track, japan. JR Central even allows people to take a ride in it, not just render. They have the actual rolling stock that people can ride and actual extension line being build as next gen shinkasnsen..
Tunnels can and have been dug. It is possible to pump air. Is it practical or economical? I think perhaps tunneling one day might be, but outside of that I have doubts.
I believe China was the first country to have a maglev in service.
But anyway, coming back to this video, I think Sam might have confused 2 different developments into one.
China is developing a super fast maglev of around 600km/h to replace the current 400km/h maglev that has been in operation since 2003.
But that is NOT in a tube. That's a normal open air maglev train.
China is also experimenting with the 'hyperloop' concept that will go at 1000km/h. And has since completed a very successful proof of concept test last year for that possible project.
As Sam reports, they are now going the next step in building a large scale proper test for this tubed train.
So these are 2 different developments.
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Regular mag-lev is incredibly expensive. 4x the cost of typical high speed rail... then you're paying $$$ to build a vacuum tube around the rails. The maglev in Shanghai only has 2 stops. The airport and the city center. Paying a ton for a train that zooms past people that could have used a ride. Would have been better to just have an express line.
You're ignoring the several criticisms about the safety, energy/logistics of producing a vacuum and keeping it, the longer the distance the more difficult/expensive maintaining a vacuum, ruptures causing implosions...
Oh, and the concept has been around for nearly 100 years. Your coverage is constantly facile Musk worship. You didn't even update your talking points past the 2014 "Wow that's fast!" I'm pretty close to clicking, "Don't recommend channel"
Part of China's 2035 vision is to create super city clusters that are linked internally by high speed rail. Imagine, cities that are within a circle of 400km diameter would essentially become super sized metropolitans. One could easily get from point to point in 15-20 mins. By 2035, China will be organized into 8-10 of such gigantic urban centers, each with 50 to 100 million people. That will help boost their economic productivity significantly. These ultra high speed rails are essential to making that vision a reality.
Elon confessed he just wanted to stop public transport with this. you must know that. it's your job.
Passenger trains typically need to stop about every 100 miles (160 km) for passenger's to have about an hour drive to the train station. That is 10 minutes apart at 1,000 kph (621 mph) which is sub sonic. Vacuum tubes make sense for faster than sound travel especially for not creating a sonic boom, but when needing to stop every 100 miles or so super sonic travel has little real increase in speed. 800 kph (497 mph) as the development goal for the prototype Chinese CF600 maglev seems likely which is about 4 meters wide, bit wider than the current HSR chines trains.
Double the typical railroad width at about 8 meters has been a desire since the bringing of the railroad age. There is no rail wheel interface load restriction with maglev allowing much wider widths. A new railroad age should make use of much more useful wider loading gauge at about 8 meters. This would allow stability for three passenger levels with the first level likely best used for cargo such as such as simulations perpendicular loading of drive-on drive-off automobiles and shaped cargo containers from the sides in about one minute stop. The second and third levels could be luxury continues passenger space with vista doom roofs to allow passengers to see forward watching the scenery.
The wide 8 meter wide loading gauge would allow easy transport of large assemblies overland changing the world we live in.
All very high speed trains need incrementally nearly free electric power such as their own hydropower with unlimited water. New technology nuclear electric power might be a second choice.
When you hear his name as designer block all the projects!
If they get it to work, how do we rescue folks in the tube?
Same way you rescue folks in a subway or tunnel. Google the channel tunnel between UK and France for reference.
Precisely. Presumably the tube would have to follow ground contours between the start and end. Even very small deviations from a perfectly straight tube must be extremely gradual otherwise the accelerations or g forces on passengers would become intolerable.
@@rogerphelps9939 No, you go under all the ground contours.
Experimental facilities built by China Railway Group demonstrate that pipe are built on the ground with inspection windows and pipe is not a vacuum but a pressure of 0.5 atmospheres, which is equivalent to a 6,000-meter mountain.
Tunnel can be sections with airlocks, if accidents happen only the section will be refilled air. Of couse it takes time, so the train should be small in length for easier rescue.
Sam, I don't think this will be commuting to work, or from the outer city to the downtown core. It'll be much longer distances. Cross country type distances. Oregon to California, Paris to Rome. I suspect there will have to be "off ramp" type tubes that are air locks for passenger embarkation and disembarkation.
Hyperloop it's just maglev train in vacuum tube
Viking always promoting Breakthroughs as GAME CHANGING when no real product exists but he bashes Toyota for no solid state battery existing
Give China five years, and then welcome everyone to experience it. China's super high-speed rail has already started to build track lines in Shandong, China. The research and development has been completed and is now in the trial stage.
Engineering and manufacturing took a backseat in the US overall so building innovations is tough. Main problem with trains in the US is permissions and engineering is next on the problem list and both problems will take time to overcome.
A: hyperloop is a 100 year old idea that was as preposterous now as it was then
B: China didn’t figure it out
It is a ridiculous idea.
Agreed that Elon did not invent the idea of vacuum tube travel. He did however define the parameters to a more doable bore size and design. So much of the hype comes from the fanciful graphics these other companies used for promotion. Worse yet, is the idea Musk dismissed in his 'white paper' that Hyperloop should be a transcontinental system. It was described as a mid-distance transport. Also mistaken is that it is a train. It is much more like a regional airliner without wings or the need to climb to and from altitudes that are much more efficient for transport.
But the main thing that critics, and even proponents fail to see about the genesis of Elon's idea is that on Mars, no expensive to build low pressure tube would be needed.
It's an idea alright. A bad one. I think technically it could be built but I think the cost would be very high. All the other hyperloop programs have shutdown. But I'm probably wrong.
Sounds cool, but the practicalities all that are on like me to ever work out besides being able to maintain a vacuum across vast distances. You also have to make sure that there was no expansion Mark trash of sections of tube. That seems unlikely to be possible as even now we have to put expansion joints in peoples houses are on their sidewalks.
China can do anything when it comes to infrastructure.
always great info thank you
Ideas aren't useful until it's realized
High speed trains go 300 km/hr already plenty fast imo 😂
Elon has shown his hostility to mass transit through his robotaxi concept.
Oh brother. The reason the Hyperloop is a joke is it is physically impossible to build a long tube and maintain a vacuum in it. And that is the just the tip of the iceberg of problems with it. Imagine what would happen to the occupants of a train inside such a tunnel if there were an accident. You couldn't get out in an emergency and any breach of the tunnel would kill everyone inside as the air rushed inside. Also, there is a reason planes can go fast and why it is a bad idea to travel at high rates of speed on the ground. There is nothing to hit when in a plane. Imagine what would happen to the occupants if the train collided with the side of the tunnel or the track it was on failed. It would instantly stop and pulverize anyone inside the train.
Just for fun, check out Brunel's "Atmospheric Railway"
That worked but they could not get very good seals so it was abandoned. A hyperloop is many orders of magnitude more challenging.
They have been working on this for years and years before Elon brought it up.
How much time do you think it takes to evacuate the train's airlock?
Once partial air lock is released almost instant normalise air pressure
Im still wondering how china or anyone intends to get around the issue of maintaining a vacuum over a large section of track.
True it doesn't have to be a hard vacuum so you can work around the tube implosion risk, but one with a reduced atmosphere but that would still require very expensive pumps to maintain
I admire Elon, but that doesn't mean the Hyperloop idea is taken from him.
Ah yes...I remember how the US used to build grand projects! How we used to be dynamic and full of the future.
Now we are just a bunch of depressed people sheltering in the ruins of past glories. We can't even really win wars any more without F'ing it up.
The dynamism in this country is fast dying under a political system that can't get its act together. We are very similar to Rome as it transitioned to having an emporer rather than an elected governing body. The signs are all there as we keep electing old men and/or dictator wannabes. One allows the country to fall into turpitude along with them, the other's extremely dangerous incompetency will lead to a military take over (and don't think for a minute that the military doesn't have emergency plans for this!!).
USA is good at coming up with ideas but China is good at putting the ideas to work. 😅
Mach 5, in a tofu hyper loop, with some intermittent ground shifting. yeah sounds like a brilliant show
I love your comparison of the Hyperloop to normal airplanes. Yes airplanes would be far more risky.
Or what about sea voyages before steamships were invented? Hundreds of thousands of sailors have died on the high seas in regular sailships over history, just going on commercial voyages. During the second Punic war between Rome and Carthage, Rome lost up to a hundred thousand soldiers and sailors in a few storms and they used a combination of sails and rowing.
Actually, the most dangerous thing you can do in transportation is sitting in a car. On second thought a motorbike is even more dangerous. Also it should be far more difficult for a Hyperloop train to derail. A lack of oxygen would significantly slow the spread of fire and there will of course be emergency exits in case of a train crash.
As you mentioned, government funding is crucial. Withouth the first and second world war, it would have taken several decades more to develop fleets of hundreds of thousands of transpor planes and trucks, which after the war expanded into commercial flights for cargo and passengers, as well as with highways.
US Government funding was what made the first large-scale, mass produced computers come to life during World War II.
Without government funding to NASA and its Soviet equivalent, it would have taken at least many decades more until we lived in a world full of satellites and the Internet.
And now the Chinese, by essentially simply building a vaacum tube over their Maglevs, will turn hyperloop into a commercially viable reality. They will patent it and sell it all over the world for unimaginable profit.
Finally, I think that the biggest threat to Hyperloop as well as mass public transport and office space is actually the kind of 300 dollar laptop which I am using, plus Internet connection and cellular phones. Hundreds of millions of more people will work part-time from home within a decade, decreasing the need for public transport. But the world is growing and urbanizing so the Hyperloop will be essential for cities to function and for the environment to cope.
These will easily do more than 2,000 km/h in low density air, it needn't be vaccum. The vacuum can also follow the train if done properly. The prospect is trans-regional transportation not municipal.
"HYPEloop" will NEVER happen NOT due to the technological aspects but due entirely due to economics: *THE MASSIVE COSTS OF ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING THE THING.*
HYPEloop - Theranos Edison.
It’s just a maglev in a vacuum. If you compare the cost it’s not worth it. Just go with maglev
Yes absolutely. In near future maglev is 1st to slowly replacing HSR & metro railway
Once maglev need to go faster then 600km/hr
Some fencing & tube protection is needed
Then onto partial vaccum to allow maglev travel faster in the protection tube. Etc.
That's the progression takes 2 to 3 decades slow progress
World will take longer
This is actually disappointing from Sam to be honest. It shows that Elon could say literally anything and it seems he will cling to it as genius even when it has been utterly debunked as stupid.
What has been debunked as stupid?
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom the idea of building a vacuum tube stretching for hundreds of miles to be used by trains.
Are you really surprised? He would have a statuette of Elon in his home if Elon put them up for sale and said they would be able to detect intruders sometime in the future better than any home security system.
The man is a sycophant.
@@jamie-ck6js I agree the vacuum idea is probably a dead end, but the tunnel idea has merit.
@@onetwothreefour-s1n The boring company isn't stupid. That's hater nonsense. I'm not sure about twitter, since I was and likely never will be a part of that community. But for good or bad he does chase his passions.
Mericans: They copied it from us 🇺🇸🤪🤡
The hyperloop technology is necessary. For Mars. So, it's just a matter of time and place, with the seeds planted now.
If they can get this working at 50 to 100km range its a gamechanger i think
When fusion power becomes commercially viable so might hyperloop, but don't hold your breath.
Elon Musk didnt invent the hyperloop idea. That idea has been around for 100 years.
4:05 That's what happens if you fail to stop at a Stop sign...